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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. Turn this shop in my

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Speaker 2: The Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. I

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Speaker 2: am Dan Hansi's heroes here, Greg rosehal Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 1: I just got a little bisachia bump myself.

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Speaker 3: You did.

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Speaker 1: This is a double digits week ten is here.

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Speaker 4: Usually the bump would refer to someone having been fired,

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Speaker 4: and that would create the bump in the energy.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, that's I had someone dismissed behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes. Okay, today that was morning. Just to feel something, yea,

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Speaker 2: and that made me feel alive.

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling that bump on a on a Thursday. Was

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Speaker 5: talking with Mark. It's like I'm an empty husk of

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Speaker 5: a human. I feel like Tuesday Wednesday, and by Thursday

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Speaker 5: we're just warming up and like I'm feeling I'm feeling alive,

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Speaker 5: feeling energized on a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love it.

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Speaker 5: We're all different, We're all Wednesday. I just kind of

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Speaker 5: sit there and watch the show and it's like, this

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Speaker 5: is a fun show. This is a funny show that.

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Speaker 1: On Oh I'm on the program.

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Speaker 2: I'm on it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I found it to be uh.

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Speaker 2: I found it to be real liberating creatively watching my

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Speaker 2: favorite band U two at the.

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Speaker 3: Sphere and uh, what's the sphere?

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Speaker 2: The Sphere is the big the big circle thing ball

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Speaker 2: thing in Las Vegas. That's a concert venue. And it

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Speaker 2: made me just realize that, yeah, we are one, but

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Speaker 2: we're not the.

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Speaker 3: Same, Okay, now, Worth.

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Speaker 4: It probably a different opts than we watched you two

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Speaker 4: at Qualcomm, like a husk of that looked like it

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Speaker 4: was like nuclear bomb in the late early nineties. A.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: Am I offending you by critiquing al Stadium?

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Speaker 2: You're actually bothered because it's Qualcomm and he's very close

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Speaker 2: to certain corporations.

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Speaker 4: Greg, And honestly, Greg, what would be offensive about that comment?

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Speaker 3: Like, we're not offensive.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, let's let's ease off on the Qualcomm.

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Speaker 1: He was a vice president of Qualcomm.

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Speaker 6: Some great memory of some great memories there of Philip

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Speaker 2: That place was a'nt at. It is no longer it's

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Speaker 2: a parking and it wasn't back in the day.

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Speaker 4: It was a great place just when Dan and I

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Speaker 4: were there. Compared to the Sphere, I'm saying, I'm saying

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Speaker 2: We have a lot to get to, but you know,

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Speaker 2: part of being the fan experience and also since I

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Speaker 2: brought up a concert, it's a concert experience. I kind

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Speaker 2: of like going to old dumps because there was a

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Speaker 2: place called the La Sports Arena downtown that has also

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Speaker 2: since I think been torn down. That do you have

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Speaker 2: any issues WITHG with d that's off. At a certain point,

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Speaker 2: the city decides and the same thing happened in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: We're not putting any more money into this place, and

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Speaker 2: then the certain venue those still concerts or sports events

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Speaker 2: will be played there, and it's like going into a

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Speaker 2: time machine. Like I remember going to the old Sports

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Speaker 2: Arena and going to the concession stand and there were

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Speaker 2: Zenith TVs from nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 1: It was like twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, yeah, head nod to like

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Speaker 4: Pontiac Silverdome, the photos of that place ten years after all.

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Speaker 2: Right, before we can get into anything for week ten, Greg,

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Speaker 2: you do have a statement to make right to camera,

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Speaker 2: to to Qualcom executives.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Oh the way you did the Chargers dirty

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Speaker 5: the entire city of San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Eat it.

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Speaker 5: I mean you could have kept that team and if

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Speaker 5: you couldn't keep it, No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's more of the ownership.

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Speaker 1: I thought.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna GENUFLEC to the suits of Qualcomm.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that was the setup there. All right,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's get on track here, got on here?

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Speaker 2: All right, we have a draft to do here. We

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Speaker 2: have another Germany game. We'll get to that in a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but let's get going here.

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Speaker 3: Is that part of our draft we'll put in the back.

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Speaker 2: End, and we're all gonna watch it anyway, but maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll just save it for the end time. Now for

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Speaker 2: the first pick, presented by Draft Kings and Greg, you

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Speaker 2: do have the first pick today.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited for it, and I didn't hesitate. I immediately

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Speaker 5: went to forty nine ers minus three, getting three points

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Speaker 5: at the Jaguars. Talk about disrespectful a team on a

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Speaker 5: three game losing streak against a team on a five

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Speaker 1: Who's being disrespected to the Jaguars?

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Speaker 5: The Jaggers around a five game heater over under here

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Speaker 5: is forty five feels a little high. It feels like

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be a defensive game, because this Jaguars run

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Speaker 1: Sorry, what what was the bell for there?

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Speaker 2: Eric?

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Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, I just need to know, just.

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Speaker 7: A note, you know, made a good point something that

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Speaker 7: we need to get into the show.

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Speaker 5: I think serious, what the point was? That's all the

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Speaker 5: point was how good their run defense. It's got to

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Speaker 5: forty nine ers defense. It's kind of like a Trent

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Speaker 6: And here he is.

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Speaker 5: He's built up a nice team. And my larger point

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Speaker 5: is the big bodies they got. It's just like they're

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Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker, he's a good run defender, Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: They're just big.

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Speaker 5: They're just massive, and they're going up against a forty

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Speaker 5: on all the criticism. While brock Party's late interceptions got

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Speaker 5: all the attention. They've stunk, and this team doesn't make

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Speaker 5: any sense when you can't run the ball, and they

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Speaker 5: haven't had Trent Williams. Maybe he's back for this game,

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Speaker 5: maybe he isn't, but they've been below average in terms

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Speaker 5: forty nine ers. And I think it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 4: I think some of the injuries to San Francisco just

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Speaker 4: for Trent Williams over two games, big deal, allowed thirteen

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Speaker 4: and if you're brock party, it's gonna affect you and

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Speaker 4: it affected the nob obviously in a negative fashion. Deebo

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Speaker 4: Samuel is practicing again. I mean, if they ever got

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Speaker 3: Think you're back down to definitely back frank practice.

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Speaker 4: And I think, like all of Rock Party's interceptions came

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Speaker 4: Chase Young. I think that's a big point here. But

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Speaker 3: Last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, we've had conversations about Brandon

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Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk, but the offense with that Deebo Samuel has

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Speaker 2: been different the last few weeks. What he brings to

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Speaker 2: this team when he's healthy, and I think they played

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Speaker 2: that's gonna make a big difference and it's gonna help

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Speaker 2: Rock Party. And I think this is because we don't

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Speaker 2: want to just focus on the quarterback. But this is

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Speaker 2: such an important game for Purdy because the criticism started

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Speaker 2: about what Kyle Shanahan's gonna do at quarterback moving forward.

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Speaker 2: I think if he plays poorly, it becomes a real

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Now. Is he gonna stay.

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Speaker 2: Loyal to party? Maybe regardless of play. But also, this

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Speaker 2: Anything short of a super Bowl is considered failure and

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Speaker 2: they can't simply just ride with the quarterback that's struggling. Now.

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Speaker 1: Is he truly struggling?

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Speaker 1: The exact same. Yeah, I want to go that far.

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Speaker 5: of all these games, he's looked like his turnover luck

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Speaker 5: Jimmy G's is or was with the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: I think I think Shannan watches his tape and thinks

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Speaker 5: it's it's not pretty, like it's a couple plays here

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Speaker 6: It's a running game. I think he's been fine.

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Speaker 5: The problem is they're playing like the Jaguars defense might

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Speaker 5: they made no changes and they went from one of

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Speaker 5: a great I do love we're getting a week ten.

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Speaker 5: I love the NFL season because I think the later

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Speaker 5: like this is a real hm, how different is twenty

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Speaker 5: where Steve Wilks is now coming down to the sideline.

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Speaker 5: I can't quite figure out why they're not good, because

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Speaker 5: they've got all the same players either, but they're giving

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Speaker 5: up way too many big plays. They've been out coached,

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Speaker 5: I think, And man, this is a great opportunity Jacksonville

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Speaker 5: to really put a stamp as a super Vulcan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think like because there's so much focus on obviously

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Speaker 4: Brock Purdy, Deebo, Samuel fantasy assets on that side of

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow went sixty three of seventy seven for six

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Speaker 4: they steal that game. You have Joe Burrow having this

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Speaker 3: Well, no, but you want how does Robert Sala get

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: We got some zoo. Cincinnati Zoo, the Cincinnati Zoo. No

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Speaker 2: All right, and I have some developing news. This is

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Speaker 2: After you get our lock, I would like you to

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Speaker 2: he stops taking six point fail frits every week. The

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Whoa like?

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Speaker 3: First of all, he didn't Again, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: That's very close.

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Speaker 2: Hard to understand who.

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Speaker 5: It's funny because there was like multiple weeks in a

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Speaker 2: I'm just reporting. There's nothing. There's nothing editorial.

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Speaker 4: We've we've lost like Nick slash you know, fill in

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Speaker 5: So there, so there is a plus to me taking favorite,

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Speaker 2: So there's no I love the bad blood it's building.

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Speaker 2: I but the so there's no ownership to what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: You're saying it's completely false.

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Speaker 6: It's false. Some weeks he was mad I took he

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Speaker 5: I took the Seahawks, I think, or the Ravens over

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Speaker 5: a four point spread?

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Speaker 6: It was two good teams?

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Speaker 3: Like who cares?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Counterpoint on to back Greg a little bit? What if

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Speaker 4: Nick's like, you know it got a lot going on,

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Speaker 5: Here here's what I would say to Nick, like, worry

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Speaker 5: about your own mediocre record and your lack of a

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Speaker 2: What and why are you saying? Nick? I didn't say

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Speaker 2: who it from because a true insider does not reveal

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Speaker 3: True, But I would say, just from our old media.

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Speaker 1: Inside side inside.

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Speaker 7: For the truth.

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Speaker 4: Go to the UITs.

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Speaker 3: You don't need.

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Speaker 1: You don't for the dolphin the dolphins.

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Speaker 4: You don't need a flock of dolphins and a gong

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Speaker 4: to tell you that Nick's been the one who's consistently

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Speaker 2: So you don't need like a gong and dolphins for anything, really,

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Speaker 4: Get them, I enjoy it. I'm just saying it's it

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Speaker 1: Pick number two.

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Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions traveling across the sidewalk.

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Speaker 1: To play the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it is the Jim Nance, Tony Romo Tracy Wolfson game.

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Speaker 5: Weird because it's at four five. Just to see Tony

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Speaker 5: Romot four or five is weird.

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Speaker 1: So sorry, okay, I mean weird.

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Speaker 3: That means Tony ro very weird. Nice city, is what

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Speaker 1: Weird.

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Speaker 3: It'll be in our city over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we can facilitate something that would be a good

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's been on the show before was

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Yeah, you know, he's not. What's it like to

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 2: He thought?

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Speaker 5: He definitely told us that the exact same story that

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Speaker 2: Well, uncle Rico when he goes shopping for a ham,

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Speaker 2: well he talks about direct TV all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, this is a real human conversation we're having.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no guest has ever not been there while

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Speaker 2: All right, so the Lions at the Chargers. Okay, Okay, Chargers,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something. Sure, you took care of

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Speaker 2: there twenty seven to six. Now you get the Lions,

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Speaker 1: Matchups of the week.

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the reasons it is is

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Speaker 2: And as much as I I have a tortured love

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Speaker 5: And that's a great matchup against a revived Joey Bosa

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Speaker 4: And what better time than now if you're Brandon Staley

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen making that great catch to help put that

444
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Speaker 2: game away against the Jets.

445
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like with the Chiefs strike.

446
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Speaker 2: Why is it so hard for this team to generate

447
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Speaker 2: offense with a player like Herbert.

448
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Speaker 5: Well, because Keenan Allen is thirty one, was never a speedster, okay,

449
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 5: and he's by far your number one receiver. Now, your

450
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 5: one explosive guy was Mike Williams, he gone. Your next

451
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Speaker 5: explosive guy was Joshua Palmer, he gone. I think that's

452
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Speaker 5: a pretty big loss for ye Maybe they get Jalen

453
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 5: guit the first round picking and then oh, by the way,

454
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Speaker 5: I thought this offensive line was going to be great,

455
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 5: it's just been mediocre. They got dominated more than the

456
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 5: Jets offensive line got dominated on Monday Night. It's been

457
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 5: Corey Linsley, their center, going out for you know, now,

458
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if is it going to be the season.

459
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 5: He had a heart issue. I think one of the

460
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,120
Speaker 5: biggest injuries to any team all season. They haven't been great.

461
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 5: The running game is among the league's worst in terms

462
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,440
Speaker 5: of success rate. So that's a lot of things being

463
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 5: no juice. They're taking away there, there's no juice, And

464
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Speaker 5: I think the way to beat the Lions is you

465
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Speaker 5: attack them deep down the field. Their cornerbacks aren't great

466
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Speaker 5: on the outside. I think they can give up big plays.

467
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Speaker 5: I think their pass rush is okay with aon Hutchinson,

468
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Speaker 5: but it's not great. It's not above average as a

469
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Speaker 5: full team. And so that's the way to attack. The

470
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Speaker 5: old Herbert would be making big plays you'd be excited about.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not confident.

472
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Speaker 5: The Lions are favored by three in this game, and

473
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Speaker 5: that feels about right, even on the road.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good about it.

475
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Speaker 2: Either. The Chargers past defense has been maligned, but they

476
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Speaker 2: shut down the Jets that Zach Wilson jard Off coming

477
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 2: off of bye, with those receivers, it could be different.

478
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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, all right, I'm going to go. Let's

479
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Speaker 3: see here. I am on the CJ. Stroud train.

480
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Houston at Cincinnati. I want to just

481
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Speaker 4: see kind of like I think he's one of the

482
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Speaker 4: biggest stories in the entire league. Obviously, we talked about

483
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 4: him a lot on Wednesday's show as like in the

484
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 4: overt Rookie of the Year at this moment, and it's like,

485
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Speaker 4: I don't know if we wanted to see him through

486
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 4: different eyes. Fourteen touchdowns and one pick. That's eight fewer

487
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 4: picks than Josh Allen's, seven fewer than Mahomes and Jalen Hurts,

488
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 4: and six more six fewer than are overly precious Gino Smith.

489
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Speaker 4: So it's like this guy has been a pitch, but

490
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 4: it's been a big play machine. And I think though

491
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Speaker 4: for me, the matchup in this is a red hot

492
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. I believe in this team that Bengals more

493
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Speaker 4: than any team in the entire conference, and I would

494
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 4: be very concerned from a Texans angle, But what's happened

495
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 4: to their secondary? They are They are as injured as

496
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Speaker 4: almost any one in the AFC right now in terms

497
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 4: of a position group. Derek Stingley is in that window,

498
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 4: but he's probably not gonna play this week. You got

499
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 4: guys like someone like Shaq Griffin and Kadar Holman may

500
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Speaker 4: have to be your cornerbacks. You're missing a ton of

501
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 4: people against a high octane passing offense. I don't like

502
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 4: that at all for the Texans, but I do think

503
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: it could lead to a shootout that could be ultra fun.

504
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Stroud side of it, because watching

505
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: that game, it was so it was pedestrian in the

506
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Speaker 2: first half, and then once he started cooking. I mean,

507
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: for a guy that's in his first year, how many

508
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Speaker 2: guys throw a better ball than him right now?

509
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Speaker 3: I mean you could tell that right away.

510
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Speaker 1: Beautiful replacement.

511
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Speaker 2: And I know two it gets credit for that too,

512
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: but there just feels like there's there's something special about

513
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: his ability to kind of just drop a ball in

514
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Speaker 2: a bucket. He would he would definitely be one of

515
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: the greatest in the league at that some absurd pro

516
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 2: ball game, like got to throw it into this target.

517
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: You could tell he has that accuracy, and when he's

518
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: locked in, it's it's special to watch, so very exciting.

519
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Speaker 4: I think also it's like he seems to be there

520
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: are elements there's DNA at the type of quarterback that

521
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 4: no matter who's around him, he's going to elevate him.

522
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 4: Because no one before the season was looking at Noah Brown,

523
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Speaker 4: Dalton Schultz, Nico Collins. I mean, Tank Dell is a

524
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: promise here. Keey but that collection, we were saying there

525
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 4: might be no one here for him to really thrive.

526
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Speaker 3: He might not be in a great situation.

527
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Speaker 4: And all of them are playing really well in this offense,

528
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Speaker 4: which I think has a lot to do with Bob

529
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Speaker 4: Slowek too.

530
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Speaker 2: And this isn't that let's go get let's go get

531
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Speaker 2: after justin Herbert. But you know what Stroud's doing with

532
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: an average supporting cast is it's notable compared to what Herbert,

533
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Speaker 2: who is the last crop of like gifted young quarterbacks,

534
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: is struggling with. I don't think this is it that

535
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Speaker 2: different the two groups.

536
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Speaker 8: Now.

537
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Speaker 5: I think that the difference or one difference is the

538
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 5: scheme that Slowak brought from San Francisco that's so quarterback

539
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 5: friendly and it's really working right off the jump.

540
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Speaker 6: In terms of the pass game. The running game is

541
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Speaker 6: a hot mess.

542
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and it's just as bad as the Chargers

543
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 5: running game, it might be worse. So I think they

544
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 5: lead the league in negative plays, like they're not getting

545
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: anything done on the ground. And look, Stroud's had quiet weeks.

546
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Speaker 5: The two previous games. They didn't combine, they didn't combine

547
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 5: for three hundred yards passing, So it's not like he

548
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 5: hasn't had rookie weeks. The difference between him and most

549
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 5: rookies is his rookie weeks are just quiet, but they're

550
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 5: not putting his team in a bad position. He's not

551
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 5: making big mistakes. He's just not making big plays. I

552
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 5: think Nico Collins is a real deal number one, Like

553
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 5: he is a found talent tank Dell can get open.

554
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Speaker 5: He's a one hundred and sixty five pound guy winning

555
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Speaker 5: on the outside. Those last two catches he had were

556
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Speaker 5: incredibly talented plays to win the game.

557
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Speaker 3: As much Stroud should get credit for it.

558
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Speaker 5: Those the sideline catch and the touchdown were what they're wild,

559
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Speaker 5: like they weren't one hundred There are no players like that.

560
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Speaker 6: Didn't used to exist.

561
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Speaker 5: Like literally, I can't remember an NFL where one hundred

562
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Speaker 5: and sixty found by pound guys are winning on the outside.

563
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 5: It never happened. I guess Deshaun Jackson is maybe it.

564
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Speaker 5: I did Mina Kimes' podcast our friend He's got to

565
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 5: do T and F recap tonight. Oh nice for her

566
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Speaker 5: home and home for Panthers Bears, And she compared Stroud

567
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 5: to Burrow. She said, these two quarterbacks, if you look

568
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: at it, kind of have a similar strengths and weaknesses

569
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 5: or strengths for the most part. And when you were

570
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Speaker 5: saying who would be good in one of those competitions,

571
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 5: is putting the ball exactly where Joe Burrow c J Stroud.

572
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Speaker 4: Do you think it's fair that they're giving the Texans

573
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: six and a half points? Is there any disrespect for

574
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Speaker 4: this rising young club that almost became the team of

575
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Speaker 4: ATM it's in Cincinnati.

576
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Speaker 5: They're putting it all together. They just did very well.

577
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Speaker 5: The Bengals defense did against a very similar and probably

578
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: better offense in San Francisco. Where the linebackers are making plays,

579
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: they're very good, go inside to side. I feel like

580
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Speaker 5: this could be a comeback to Earth game for the Texans.

581
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Speaker 2: Samesy's in fact.

582
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Speaker 5: But we might not see Jamar Chase by the way

583
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Speaker 5: we should. That's a big deal here. Oh yeah, back

584
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Speaker 5: injury might keep him out.

585
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Speaker 2: And wait to say, it's six and a half and

586
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: that's within the lock zone. I'm not going to go there.

587
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Speaker 2: I did promise I was gonna locked Cincinnati every time

588
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: they're in the zone. But I saw that at seven

589
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: this morning, so it came down again fluctuating.

590
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Speaker 5: I mean It probably depends where you look and the hour.

591
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Speaker 6: It probably goes up and down.

592
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: It's in the zone.

593
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 6: Of this although I think we say if if it.

594
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: Moves out of the zone, then your little tiny bang

595
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: are U s O L it moves out.

596
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: The little tiny pot on there?

597
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Speaker 5: What's the Let me know right now and I'll I

598
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 5: think we've said it. If it moves out, you're out

599
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: of luck. Although that's usually for like injuries and stuff.

600
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Speaker 5: Maybe it's the Chase thing that moved it.

601
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. All right, I'm gonna ride with

602
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and if they fall out, I'll move. I'll pivot,

603
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: lock it up as the ladder.

604
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Speaker 3: Nick Nick can give you grief for that, then.

605
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Speaker 4: I think he I think you're going to escape it

606
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: from Nick. I think Nick's got an agenda. He's also

607
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: a friend. I'm getting behind his team Cincinnati.

608
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like the teflon Dan that was

609
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Speaker 2: that was a smart move to Let's see uh that

610
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Speaker 2: gott it doc on Netflix?

611
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Speaker 4: Check it out?

612
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: Very good, very good?

613
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, it's next to you.

614
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: All right, I'm taking my other early game here, the

615
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: Packers going to Pittsburgh.

616
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: Why would I pick this?

617
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: Wait?

618
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: What do you mean.

619
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Speaker 4: Wait, it's my choice. It's my it's my will.

620
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: Hang on a second. What's the problem. Wait, what is

621
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: the problem with times this game?

622
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Speaker 5: This is an early game. Yeah, with your first game

623
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Speaker 5: early Texans been Oh you're not taking the Browns. Wait,

624
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: how are you gonna that?

625
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Speaker 3: He's making?

626
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: How are you gonna how.

627
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do your job here? What're you gonna do?

628
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: You're not gonna watch Browns and Ravens.

629
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Speaker 3: I watch them all. Oh boy, you do watch them all.

630
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: I don't do that.

631
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Speaker 6: You don't do that.

632
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't.

633
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the guy sanctity of the

634
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: Sunday Night Show. You're gonna be able to watch your

635
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: precious Browns against the mighty Ravens in a huge Division

636
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: game and keep an eye on two other games.

637
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: Yes, I have ten years of experience in watching three

638
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: games at the same time, and like three three, you know,

639
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 4: like crescendoing, colliding commercial breaks at the same time.

640
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: So you know what, you're a professional. I just I

641
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to point it out.

642
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: It's a good point. It is it is, it is not.

643
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: It is a point with the zero meaning to me.

644
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: Greg, I I will tell you why I'm doing this

645
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 4: because because naturally.

646
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 5: He watches all six at once anyway, so I guess

647
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 5: it doesn't make a difference.

648
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's not our probe.

649
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: It would hurt mine naturally, because it's the same thing

650
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: when it's the Jets, Like if the Jets, they're going

651
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: to get at least sixty percent of the focus and

652
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: if it's a big division and how I've seventy's.

653
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: It's not how I view the Browns though, either. So

654
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: it's just I am by that, Okay, I know, well

655
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: I don't.

656
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.

657
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: I don't need to convince anyone. It's like, this is

658
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: the I confidently want to do this, and there's a reason.

659
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: Let's keep an eye on the game.

660
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: The reason is is that I think that the concept

661
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: of like Pittsburgh is the super messy team that's like

662
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 4: metrically a disaster. They've been outscored and out gained by

663
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: their opponents like to ridiculous extents. They're one of the

664
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 4: greatest home football teams of this century. And it does

665
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 4: a lot do with Mike Tomlin. And I don't need

666
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: them to be perfect at all. I needed to find

667
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: my lock this week and so wait, so I you know,

668
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: I do those picks every week that you guys are

669
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: telling me not to do. So I started to mix

670
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: it up. I was like, how can this be more fun?

671
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: So I brought in a true out of house expert,

672
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: Spice Rack, to do my picks with me, and we

673
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: have a spicy here.

674
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

675
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 4: Like, and I asked an NFL executive would be would

676
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: you mind if I had my friend, you know, who

677
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: was a true NFL man, like, come in and make

678
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 4: these picks. And so if you see on the top

679
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 4: right corner there spice Cess and Spice are now making

680
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: these NFL picks.

681
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: But you took the Packers in a defensive struggle. This

682
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: is the thick. Yeah, this is the show. Well that

683
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: was Spicy made that pick.

684
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: I respect it, but there is already discombobulation the top five.

685
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm locking up the Steelers. I don't care. I'm locking

686
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: up the Steelers. Well he picked them, so.

687
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: What so did that just be spice Rack?

688
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Then we work together on various things. It's a week

689
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: to week. For what you're saying, your picks have no meaning.

690
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 5: You're not in the top five, and you're saying against that,

691
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: you're saying that I don't need.

692
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: To look at the world the way that you do.

693
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: Greg. First of all, I feel like cessrack would be

694
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: better than saspice.

695
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: We can work on it, we can finish it.

696
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: It happened on Also, I feel like the pick should

697
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: sync up. But listen you, you can't lose here.

698
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: So they're different mediums. Like this is for a lock situation.

699
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm getting out of your business.

700
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: But this whole game is just freaking me out.

701
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: The whole segment is you guys trying to change me

702
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: and alter me.

703
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: No, we can't.

704
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: It is like do it this way, do that way.

705
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: It's like I refuse.

706
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: I refuse for your own man.

707
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: One can no one can change you, and you locking

708
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: them up almost changes me. But I'm joining you on

709
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 5: this lock. I'm not going to move off my original plan.

710
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: I think.

711
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 5: I think this Steeler's offense has been making progress, been small,

712
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: but I think Kenny Pickett since the buy has looked

713
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 5: much better. And by much better, I just mean passable,

714
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: like not killing them. I just snap by snap, He's

715
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 5: been okay. That Titans game, they had their best offensive

716
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 5: game of the season. They only had eight drives and

717
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 5: four of them were pretty long drives, including you know,

718
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: a good game winning drive situation. I don't want to

719
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 5: hear game winning drives necessarily brought up as as like

720
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: a great metric because because Kenny Pickett has more than

721
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: virtually anyone else in the NFL since since he's joined

722
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 5: the NFL, I think he does have more. His numbers

723
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter, according to PFF, are right there

724
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 5: with Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes as the three best

725
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the fourth quarter since he entered the league.

726
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 5: I do think they're gonna make sure to get George

727
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: Pickens more involved. I don't buy at all what happened

728
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: with the Packers last week. That's why I'm locking up

729
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: this Steelers is the defense of Pittsburgh, even though they

730
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 5: were a little banged up, getting after Jordan Love and

731
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 5: me just not believing that the Packers can put together

732
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: more than two touchdown drives in a game.

733
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: Do you think that I know this the picket fourth

734
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: quarter thing, and it's real, Like I think we saw

735
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: that in primetime against the Raiders and the Black Friday

736
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: game last year sort of the birth of that, and like,

737
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: I think there's something about that in a quarterback and

738
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: an offense. But it also points to the fact that

739
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: they're such slow starters and they go quarters at a

740
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: time to start games where it's like they're not jumping

741
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: out to leads.

742
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: Well they're not.

743
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: They're not an easy lock and it's the reason they're

744
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: only favored by three in this game despite their record

745
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: being so much better. Is like, yeah, there's a reason

746
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: they've been out gained eight straight times.

747
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: Do you care Dan that George Pickens does the thing

748
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: where you know, you wipe all Steelers stuff from your

749
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: social media, you're complaining outright about everything. Then like three

750
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: days later it's like, no, no, everything's fine, Like I

751
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: think it's just frustration.

752
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: You know that that hits on a couple of tropes

753
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: that that cracked me up. The wide receiver must be

754
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: mad at his team every week you erase the dry board.

755
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: Back down to zero corope alert.

756
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: And uh yes, also clearing your socials like like a

757
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: fourteen year old girl.

758
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: Just les right.

759
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: It's no different than what a fourteen year old girl

760
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: or or or would do or guy or guy.

761
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 5: But it's it's like I think we're showing our age.

762
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: It's it's a more accepted thing.

763
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: Among the youth.

764
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: But I think we're saying it's pro wider started to

765
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: understand a quarterbacks.

766
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: I'll just throw it out there. The youth again not

767
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: always right now?

768
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean yeah, I'm with you.

769
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: I I chill quelcome stadium filled with youth.

770
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 5: Packers fans have been getting after me for being so

771
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: negative about this team.

772
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: Then go ahead and win this game.

773
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: They they are, and they have been able to run

774
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: the ball a little better last week, and then run defense,

775
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: which has been so bad under Joe Berry, has been

776
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 5: better the last few weeks. And that's one of the

777
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: reasons I like Pittsburgh in this game is their running

778
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: attack is starting to get going a little bit. They

779
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: ran the ball last so this is a nice little

780
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 5: test of Warren and Harris versus this run defense.

781
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: Get it done, Steelers.

782
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: For the record, the Packers. The Steelers were also in

783
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: my lock before I saw the Cincinnati lin move. So

784
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: if I don't know, okay, Ryan does go, I will

785
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: be joining you.

786
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 5: Well that the one time we did that this year

787
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: is my only loss of the year, and that's a win,

788
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: but it's not a win for you. It is, though,

789
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: the only when you're down a few. You need to

790
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 5: catch up.

791
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's all you need your win.

792
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: They impatient.

793
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 4: The lockoff thing doesn't even make sense if you think

794
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: about it's for the show, right, and.

795
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Like you're a man, Mark that you go buy your

796
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: own code. Even from the outside, sometimes it's confusing. I

797
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: don't really care if I win. I just want you

798
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: to lose, right.

799
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: But I don't believe that about the win because I

800
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 5: remember that year, that year you took it.

801
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 6: What it was exciting, It was an exciting time.

802
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: But no, what was exciting was that you lost.

803
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: And that me winning it's great, but it was that

804
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: you lost that I was celebrating.

805
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Truly, You're good.

806
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: You're like the Patriots of the two thousands, the team

807
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: that they love to hate.

808
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: Peggy.

809
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, all right, we are back. See.

810
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to relitigated again, Mark, But that absurd

811
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: draft pick now put me in terms of like the

812
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: ethics of the draft.

813
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Of course I should be taking Browns at Ravens. You should.

814
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: That's a great game, but you should. That's an AFC

815
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: North showdown. But I'm not going to do that, right,

816
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: But I'm not. I'm I'm going to go to my

817
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: late game with my next go around. So I don't know,

818
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: you're just gonna be giving it to Gregs.

819
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: A lot of complexities to that, like what are you doing?

820
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

821
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: Like it's called a free will society and I've I've,

822
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: you know, exercised my free will.

823
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: What's your angle on this one? I don't know. I

824
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: just love that. It's what's Kayser doing? Scrambled it? Well,

825
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: you're breaking out of your limp. What's going on? Coffee

826
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: coffee cups.

827
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Dropping to the floor, the linoleum? I do it? Should

828
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: I take it?

829
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: Then?

830
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: Go for it?

831
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: No game, No, he's it's.

832
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: Also the best early game left and you don't have

833
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 5: an early I mean, actually it does make sense for

834
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 5: the sake of the show.

835
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: You should take it.

836
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: If this were an actual draft, you're like passing on

837
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: what you consider to be a great player because you

838
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: want me to get the great thing.

839
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 6: I think that's good. You should just take it.

840
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: I will take the Browns at the Ravens looking Mark, Yes,

841
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Big check time for the Cleveland Browns

842
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: because the last time these two teams faced off, what happened? Mark?

843
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: Well, the Browns had a you know, loadly drafted rookie

844
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: in there who was overwhelmed, and I thought it showed

845
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: the first signs of an otherwise really good Browns defense.

846
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: Of what Baltimore did to them on the ground. They

847
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 4: gashed them big plays all over the place. Cleveland looked

848
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: totally susceptible. They got nothing on offense. So it's maybe

849
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: a little different than this time around, but it was

850
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: the beginning. I think Baltimore turning the corner from like

851
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: a bit of a funky operation is something very dangerous.

852
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Final score twenty eight to three.

853
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: The next week, actually, though Mark the Baltimore lost, but

854
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: after that I lost to Pittsburgh.

855
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: We were in London.

856
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: We saw them against Tennessee and it wasn't an overwhelming effort,

857
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: but it was like, I get the job done, win

858
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: dominated really right, everything but the score.

859
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: But that game was tight going into the fourth quarter.

860
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: Okay, but since really the fourth quarter of that game,

861
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: which they did dominate the fourth against the Titans and

862
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: won by eight points, thirty eight to six over the Lions,

863
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: thirty one, twenty four over the Cardinals, thirty seven to

864
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: three over the Seahawks. So you have a Ravens team

865
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: that is rightfully being celebrated as one of the true

866
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: titans of the league.

867
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: And it is a great test.

868
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: Mark, even though you won't be watching it too closely

869
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson.

870
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: One of the biggest Browns games.

871
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: I would say, Greg, since we've been doing this podcast,

872
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: just surprising that Mark won't be watching it very closely.

873
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: But yes, Deshaun Watson and the Browns against the Mighty

874
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Ravens the AFC North potentially hanging in the balance.

875
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge game for the Deshaun Watson project.

876
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why you're brought on this

877
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 4: team if it's not to go beat Baltimore in a

878
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: game like this. When you've got a superstar defense, you

879
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: got just enough on offense. When they played last time,

880
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: Dorian Thompson Robinson had an interception that set the Baltimore

881
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: Ravens up at the Cleveland ten. He had a second

882
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: pick that set them up at the Cleveland thirty eight

883
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: and an interception in the game. If you're Deshaun Watson

884
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 4: and that didn't happen, you're in that game in a

885
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 4: different way than you would be this time. I think

886
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: that this Cleveland defense is probably pretty hell bent under

887
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz to have a different experience. There's one little

888
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: fly in the ointment for me though. Jed Will's your

889
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: left tackle on ir Jack Conklin has been off the

890
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: field for a long time. So you've got backup right

891
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 4: and left tackles against the ferocious Ravens.

892
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 5: But you might even have a backup to a backup

893
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: because Dewan Jones, he's played well.

894
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: They will not play.

895
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 5: Rookie may not play either, and that's very concerning considering

896
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 5: how well Jenevian Clowney is.

897
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: Playing a little. I don't know if it's a revenge game, but.

898
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 5: He needs revenge on the well the way, how about

899
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 5: they have revenge on it? They didn't, They didn't handle

900
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: how it went. Jaevian Clowney's having a massive season. You know,

901
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 5: he's not going to finish plays like other.

902
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: The Clowny bump he must be talked about about twenty

903
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: seven percent higher than his actual production.

904
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: He has as many pressures literally as Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt,

905
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 5: So I don't think we talked about him as much

906
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 5: in terms of the bump. In terms of that now

907
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: he doesn't finish plays. But he's a good run stopper.

908
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 5: And the important thing is he's on this defense, which

909
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: knows how to use guys. Kyle van Noy Dafey Olway

910
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: has come back the last couple of weeks and he's

911
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: been rushing the passer well.

912
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 6: So how does Watson handle.

913
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 5: That sort of pressure, Because last week I thought he

914
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 5: made progress. His time to throw was as fast as

915
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 5: it's been all season, his average depth of target was

916
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 5: as low as it's been all season, and I think

917
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: they started coaching him up in a way. I was

918
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 5: talking with Ceciliano about this too, is like kind of

919
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: started looking like the Baker Mayfield offense, where it's like

920
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: first read and if you don't have the first.

921
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: Read, go make a play.

922
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 5: Because we had this whole idea that they were gonna

923
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: do shotgun and the old Savans Gaffins like Deshaun Watson

924
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: was not going through his reads.

925
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: Last week.

926
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: He had some beautiful deep balls, which was nice to see.

927
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 5: His arm is back and that's what he does best.

928
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 5: A couple complete, couple incomplete, but they all looked good,

929
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 5: and otherwise it was just kind of like throw it

930
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: to your first read or just go try to make

931
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: a play and maybe, and maybe I'm galaxy braining it,

932
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 5: but maybe that's not a bad approach against this Ravens defense,

933
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: which is so good at out thinking the opponent and

934
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 5: making quarterbacks hold the ball while they're trying to figure

935
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: out what the heck just happened because they changed all

936
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: their coverages post snap. I don't think the Browns are

937
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: necessarily getting into on all that. They're gonna do what

938
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: they do. They'll throw a couple bombs. They'll need to

939
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 5: run the ball better than they have been though, because

940
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: the Browns offensive line has been a little disappointing this year.

941
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 5: I know they're banged up, but they've just been kind

942
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 5: of mediocre. You think they're gonna be a great offensive

943
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 5: line and they just they haven't been. They've been fine,

944
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: and this is a very tough match. We're here, by

945
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 5: the way, Yeah, we're here. You know what we're here,

946
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: you know how we're here, you know what we're here for?

947
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: What? No more excuses for Deshaun Watson.

948
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's com we're here that I could

949
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: have said that before, But the excuse will be is

950
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 3: like we just got back.

951
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: They're playing the number one defense this game's gonna be

952
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: like thirteen to ten.

953
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: I think six points is too much. They'll just explain favorites.

954
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: By the way, he's not on the injury report, but

955
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: he's still telling people that he's dealing with the still injury.

956
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there seems to be something going on

957
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: where it's like there we got one of the weirder

958
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 4: and drew the ball well last week. Though he's playing,

959
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: he's not on the injury report. He threw the ball

960
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: deep last week.

961
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: He's got a big time matchup against the division rival

962
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: where the Cleveland Browns, who made him the highest paid

963
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: quarterback ever in terms of guaranteed money.

964
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: This is why he was brought here.

965
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Now, do they have to win the game for

966
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: Watson to be successful on a certain level. No, Like,

967
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: he could play really well like we've talked about, and

968
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: maybe they just the Tucker drills fifty eight yard or

969
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: at the gun, but he cannot be sixteen of twenty

970
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: nine for one hundred and forty eight yards with a

971
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: touchdown and two interceptions.

972
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: He needs to play like a star because that's what

973
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: they signed.

974
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and beyond, I mean that's true for his own performance,

975
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: but losing would be relatively fatal in a white hot

976
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 4: division because it moves the Ravens to eight and two,

977
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 4: the Browns will be five and four having been swept

978
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: by ball.

979
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: No, that's also a big so the playoffs are still alive.

980
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: And well, it's the test for the brown too, because

981
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 5: the Browns d needs to be special for them to

982
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 5: be a real factor in the playoffs. And they're gonna

983
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 5: need to keep this low score and then you keep

984
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: it seventeen sixteen. The last thing is just I think

985
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: Keaton Mitchell is real. I think he's gonna be a

986
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: big time story down the stat I know it is

987
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: only like eight or nine carries, but man, his vision

988
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 5: and the way he could move laterally and everything.

989
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: I mean, guy, I think he's real.

990
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing we're talking about Gibbs.

991
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Gibbs becomes a star in the second half. What if

992
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: that guy turns into something special? The Ravens get even scarier.

993
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: They're laying six points of wood, so the Desert doesn't

994
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: believe the Browns have it in him. But we will

995
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: see Greg two picks.

996
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 5: It's tempted to take that one is locked. Maybe maybe

997
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 5: Nick is in my head, but I don't know. There's

998
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: something about this Browns defense when it's a division game.

999
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 5: Blow last time. What am I taking here?

1000
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: I haven't told our I love that we get to

1001
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: hear bris Lock and the six teams that he almost locked.

1002
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: Let's go Saints three point favorites at the Vikings.

1003
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna take this until the Browns raven mind

1004
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: f by Mark.

1005
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is a fun little ball game here.

1006
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: I really like this slate of games, by the way,

1007
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 5: especially early, it turned out to be I think a

1008
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 5: good little Sunday draft. Maybe it's because the primetime games

1009
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 5: are so bad that the good games are all at

1010
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: one pm. There's like four good games. You look at

1011
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 5: this Vikings team and you do wonder, Okay, Joshua Dobbs

1012
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: is going to get more involved in the offense. Is

1013
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 5: there a little bit of a come down effect against

1014
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: a more veteran defense that is playing better. You probably

1015
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 5: don't have kJ Osbourne. You probably.

1016
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 6: Don't we know they don't have cam Akers. What is

1017
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 6: this sound?

1018
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: What is the team around the NFL?

1019
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: That's right?

1020
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 5: And then you get the high f team of around

1021
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: the NFL during the week.

1022
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: That's a big come doown. Can you keep that like

1023
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: that level.

1024
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: Does anyone inside the Vikings organization know that we made

1025
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: that we pulled this very special lever in their favor.

1026
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: That is not to put pressure on Eric and a

1027
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: big funk behind the glass, But you know how like

1028
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: with a Good Morning Football with Kyle's angry runs.

1029
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: They have a T shirt, they have a scepter that

1030
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: they send.

1031
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: I think it's on the producers behind the glass to

1032
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: spend you know a lot of money. Maybe we could

1033
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: expense it. Maybe we can't to build up something that

1034
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: we could ship to teams. How about that, Aric, you

1035
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: open to spending out of your own pocket to get

1036
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: this off the ground.

1037
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 7: I don't know about my own pocket, but you have

1038
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 7: seen my photoshop ability, so I can probably put something together.

1039
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's shirt worthy, but we can

1040
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 7: definitely ship something the Viking somewhere.

1041
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: What would happen if we ship three hundred and twenty

1042
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: T shirts to the organization and if they assuming that

1043
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: they would handle them.

1044
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 6: Like maybe just send some tweets.

1045
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 7: It's probably like one Viking's Way or something out in

1046
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 7: the DM.

1047
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: Something I like the old kind of sending something physical.

1048
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 2: You know that everything's in the cloud these days.

1049
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: What if we they can pose with and hold tangible

1050
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: at real object.

1051
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 5: I'll think, take this, I'll figure something, all right, Thank you, Kyoc.

1052
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 5: I feel like it's getting a lot of love, and

1053
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 5: he should. I think he's out. He out coached Kyle

1054
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: Shanahan no doubt. One of the one of the best

1055
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 5: moments I think that is Koc's career is the way

1056
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 5: that their their game plan there where they're calling everything

1057
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage, and then to follow that

1058
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 5: up with with a couple of weeks that that he's had,

1059
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 5: it's been pretty incredible. He's going up against another second

1060
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: year coach here in Dennis Allen, and like, there's no

1061
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 5: excuses for the Saints. They are maybe the healthiest team

1062
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 5: in the NFL. They have literally, I think every single

1063
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 5: starter that they had coming into the season.

1064
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: They're all fine.

1065
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 5: And that's it's pretty incredible at this point of the

1066
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 5: year against a Vikings team that has lost so much,

1067
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 5: Like we don't know if if Darisa is going to

1068
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 5: be there their left tackle either this week, and I

1069
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: am a little worried about a come down game for

1070
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: our team.

1071
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: I think that's fair because I think the Saints you know,

1072
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 4: one thing that's carried over year after year is sort

1073
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: of their nasty secondary play, their fifth EPA against the pass.

1074
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: I don't love that. For what's happening with the Vikings

1075
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: right now, and you, Josh.

1076
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: Dobbs, it's the interceptions. Well they have. They've forced six

1077
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: turnovers over the past two weeks.

1078
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: So it's like, I kind of like the Saints are

1079
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 4: this middle of the road team, but they've been a

1080
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: little bit better on offense. Derek Carr has been healthier,

1081
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: they've been it's kind of like the whole experience. You

1082
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: kind of can project them and see them as just

1083
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: winning that division. I do love this one little Josh

1084
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: Doobbs thing that like days before he was shipped to Minnesota,

1085
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: he had been living out of like a you know,

1086
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: probably a guy's empty apartment type thing or housing situation

1087
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: in Arizona, and like days before he got traded, all

1088
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: his furniture finally was delivered to Arizona and dropped off

1089
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: in his place and then bang your out.

1090
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Can that's tough and did to get

1091
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: through all that and still do.

1092
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 5: What he did most of all, Josh number one quarterback

1093
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: in rush situation, number one in rushing value this year

1094
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: according to QBR Josh freaking Dabs.

1095
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Let's say that's that's why this this is the team

1096
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: over around the NFL. There's a little special uh sprinkle

1097
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: on this team. There's a there's a path to the playoffs.

1098
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 2: There's a path more importantly for what we're doing here,

1099
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: there's a path to just something in spare iron happening.

1100
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: And can't you just see those Minnesota fans falling for

1101
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: this team with Dobbs leading the way and it becoming

1102
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: a story in the second half.

1103
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Don't want to jinx it. You can kind of see it.

1104
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: I can, and I can see them losing this week

1105
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: and that's still all happening. So I don't think, you know,

1106
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 5: they have to win this one like it. Yeah, and

1107
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 5: the Saints are a hard to figure out week the week,

1108
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: They're seeming like they're putting it together, but what are

1109
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: explained better?

1110
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: I like that the offense is finding itself a little

1111
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: bit and the defense does have that ability to you know,

1112
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: turn the ball over and then that's certainly worked against

1113
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: the Bears and it could work against Minnesota.

1114
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: All Right, all right, I'm up again.

1115
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the Falcons one and a half point favorites.

1116
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 5: That's it in Arizona. That's the Kyler Murray effect. In

1117
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 5: terms of that line that was Clayton tune, it'd be

1118
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: five or something.

1119
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited.

1120
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 5: I Kyler Murray's been gone so long and some of

1121
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 5: the final moments he had with Cliff Kingsbury we're so

1122
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 5: uninspiring that it's easy to forget what a talented quarterback

1123
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: he is. That various points in his career, like he's

1124
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 5: playing like a top five quarterback. If I'm starting a

1125
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 5: team today, he still would be in my top you know, ten,

1126
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 5: top ten or twelve certainly. And he's going up I

1127
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 5: think against the defense in his first matchup that gives.

1128
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: Up a lot of big plays.

1129
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: As much as they've improved on balance, they're not really

1130
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: very good stopping opposing passing games. And so you might

1131
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: get Michael Wilson back this week, which is important for Murray.

1132
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 5: He said he's really getting more comfortable in this offense.

1133
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 5: The puff pieces and I don't really buy this, but

1134
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 5: you know, our guy rap sheet, you have to put

1135
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 5: it out there too. Is like he's been a little

1136
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 5: more on top of things. I think maybe the injury

1137
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 5: plus all everything that happened last year with him, maybe

1138
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 5: it was a bit of a career wake up call.

1139
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 5: And so I think the Cardinals are going to be

1140
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 5: a lot more watchable. And they're going up against a

1141
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 5: team that to me are like the anti Falcons. They'll

1142
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: find a way to blow things and they're worse than

1143
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: the sum of their parts.

1144
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 6: And so I give Arizona a little bit of a

1145
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 6: chance in this game.

1146
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 4: They've been better with Heineke in terms of, you know,

1147
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: points per game, it's been an uptick. I kind of

1148
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: just glad they made that change. Obviously we all are.

1149
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the Cardinals will be more watchable. Like,

1150
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: you know, not to continue to talk about Dobbs, but

1151
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 4: he wasn't the problem there.

1152
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: He was pretty watchable.

1153
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 4: And before yeah, I think they I mean, you know,

1154
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 4: they've sort of been the same team every year, kind

1155
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: of give you a fight and then find a way

1156
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: to completely have the floor fall out before the fourth

1157
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 4: quarter strikes eleven o'clock fifty nine minutes and right before midnight.

1158
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: That's how clocks work. But I would say this, like.

1159
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting experiment to see what Kyler

1160
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: Murray looks like right out of the gate because hasn't

1161
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 4: played since Week thirteen of last year. It's a new scheme,

1162
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: it's not going back into something he knows, and I

1163
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: guess they handled this pretty wisely. I thought they kind

1164
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: of kept him in that practice window for the full

1165
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: amount of time he's been doing, you know, starting snaps.

1166
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 4: I guess he's been studying the scheme the entire situation.

1167
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: But Kyler Murray is different from me than other quarterbacks.

1168
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 4: It's like, I want to see how comfortable he looks

1169
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: out of the gate, because even though he would in

1170
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: that offense for years, how often did he look completely uncomfortable.

1171
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: With some talent around him a year ago?

1172
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: It's like, I think there are question marks still draping

1173
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 4: this quarterback.

1174
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their offense, and of course what happened with

1175
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: the Browns where they have fifty six yards of offense

1176
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: or whatever. That's going to affect this data a little bit.

1177
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: But still it holds like even with Dobbs thirty first

1178
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: in passing yards per game, thirty first in yards per attempt,

1179
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: twenty fourth in touchdown I t Racio only eight touchdown

1180
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: passes all year. This is not a great passing offense.

1181
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a ton of weapons. Kyler Murray has

1182
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: a reconstructed knee that he's just gonna now take out

1183
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: of the shop. So there's gonna be some Obviously, it's

1184
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a little tentative. You would think from that standpoint,

1185
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: the idea that they're going to now hit the ground

1186
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: running and improve, I'm not sold on that. In fact,

1187
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: it could be it could take weeks or not even

1188
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and it might not get

1189
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: much better. So I'm not sold on Kyler riding this

1190
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: team back to respectability, but be more watchable.

1191
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: You know. I'll enjoy just seeing him back on the field.

1192
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: And it's a very important window for Arizona that opens

1193
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: here now because they want to take a look at

1194
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: him and see what he is before they have to

1195
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: make a very big decision after the year.

1196
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: And it's a season changing week for the Falcons as well,

1197
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: because Arthur Smith said, we're gonna make our quarterback decision

1198
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: at the bye after this week, and it's kind of convenience, like, Ooh,

1199
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 5: we're playing the worst defense in the league and then

1200
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 5: we're gonna make our quarterback decision during the bi week.

1201
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 5: And he's said, He's like, we're not gonna be going

1202
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 5: back and forth every week. We're not gonna keep talking

1203
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 5: about this seque every week. We're gonna make a decision

1204
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 5: during the bye and that's the quarterback we're sticking with.

1205
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1206
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 5: When I hear that, I wonder if this whole time

1207
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: he was thinking I'm gonna go back to Ritter.

1208
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe him.

1209
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't really know.

1210
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 5: I don't believe that's a fair point that we shouldn't

1211
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 5: believe him with anything. They haven't been marrying up the

1212
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: passing the run very well offensively, like it just they

1213
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: just feel like, okay, let's pick a play for Johnno,

1214
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: let's pick a play for Bijon here. And they're just

1215
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 5: like throwing plays together and they're very discombobulated. They're a

1216
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: tough watch right now. One of the most disappointing teams

1217
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: for me, even though they're four and five. I feel

1218
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 5: like they're kind of like the NFC Raiders, where they

1219
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 5: should not be four and five.

1220
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: Please do not let the team of the playoffs. I

1221
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: am up next, and you kind of got me, GREGI

1222
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: because I wanted to take New Orleans Minnesota. I wanted

1223
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: to take Atlanta Arizona, so instead I have to pivot

1224
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: to a kind of a rocking chair game. So I'm

1225
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: gonna grab Giants at Cowboys. Not because I'm excited to

1226
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: watch Tommy DeVito make his first NFL start or because

1227
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: I love blowouts, but you know, I need to bounce

1228
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: out my late schedule, So here we go. I'll knock

1229
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: this out. So I don't really know what to tell

1230
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: you other than the Giants are having one of their

1231
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: worst seasons in a very long time, and this is

1232
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: a perfect I can't even The Giants are so helpless

1233
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: right now that I can't even tell you that this

1234
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: is a trap game for the Cowboys. I think this

1235
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: is an unlosable game for the Cowboys. You know who

1236
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: else thinks that the Desert where the spread is up

1237
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: to sixteen and a half points as of this taping.

1238
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 4: The good college spread is that has there been one

1239
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: that ridiculous this season?

1240
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: Got it?

1241
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: If it's not the highest, it's very close. So this

1242
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: is the I would say the only if in terms

1243
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: of drama, if you are as I am Greg, I,

1244
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: if you have players in fantasy that are on the

1245
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: Cowboys and you are, you should be licking your chops

1246
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: a little bit, but also realize all those guys might

1247
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: be out by the third quarter, because this game is

1248
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: going to be non competitive by halftime unless the Cowboys

1249
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: really pull like a Week three like against the Cardinals,

1250
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: and they kind of know show.

1251
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think so. I think this is a blowout.

1252
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: This could be quite frankly, this could be a forty burger.

1253
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: I mean it was.

1254
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: It was the first time, you know, in New York

1255
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 4: double forty burgers. Dallas has been you know, for some teams,

1256
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: like home road splits seem to be a mishmash and

1257
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 4: have no meaning. But Dallas like legitimately is one of

1258
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 4: these teams that comes home and like turns it on

1259
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: and dominates. And I kind of think think that you

1260
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: look back to Week one, it feels like a million

1261
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 4: years ago. But they beat the Giants and it wasn't

1262
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: even like a huge offensive performance. It was their defense

1263
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: scoring points and wreaking havoc. It was their offense and

1264
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 4: their special teams. It was like a complete team effort.

1265
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: And we've seen Dallas do that three or four times,

1266
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 4: and nothing about the Giants tells me this is a

1267
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: different team. In fact, if anything, the line, the offensive

1268
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 4: line injury bug has been among the worst position group

1269
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 4: strikes that any team have had them. It's like every

1270
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: week someone else has heard it's a starter, it's a backup, starters,

1271
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 4: back out. I don't like this at all for them.

1272
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: The only thing I point to is that the Giants

1273
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 4: are so weird that we're not that far removed from them.

1274
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: Allowing only fourteen points to the Bills and seven to

1275
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: a productive Commanders offense.

1276
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: I don't think I know that's fine.

1277
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: I would like logic would say there's no reason to

1278
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 4: except weird things happen their division opponents. I kind of

1279
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: feel like if you're day Ball and the rest of

1280
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 4: the crew. I'm not saying that they're like they're on

1281
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: the hot seat because a lot's gone wrong for them,

1282
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: but this is it's a kind of campaign that if

1283
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 4: it continues for another seven or eight games, you could

1284
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: make a change.

1285
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: It's like, you got to show up in these games

1286
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 3: in your own division. Will they?

1287
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: Who knows it's it's gonna be de Vedo. He's going

1288
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 5: to be the tenth rookie to start. That's a NFL record.

1289
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 5: I didn't think He was as bad in that Raiders

1290
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 5: game as I was expecting after hearing about it. Like

1291
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 5: the two picks, one was a drop and the other

1292
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 5: one was a deep shot which came up short.

1293
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 6: It wasn't like a crazy bad play. The rest of

1294
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 6: the game.

1295
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: He just looked like a normal bad backup. But a

1296
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 5: normal bad backup against the Dak Prescott like level quarterback

1297
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 5: in this defense, it's gonna very likely fall apart quickly

1298
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: because of what's in front of him.

1299
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: And since I directly challenged Ceedee Lamb, he has set

1300
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: new career highs and receiving yards in each of the

1301
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: last two weeks twelve for one fifty eight and two

1302
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: touchdowns against the Rams eleven for one ninety one.

1303
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: That's the kind of scenario where you need to be

1304
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 4: sending your version of a scepter to the player and

1305
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: you're getting pickure and all that, but you challenge them,

1306
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 4: and look.

1307
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: What happened, Cowboys Headquarters. Can we send some type of

1308
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: physical relic?

1309
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I think your problem though this week?

1310
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's going to be like let's get

1311
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 5: cooks and gallop and let's let's get everyone else involved.

1312
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 5: That's kind of what it's like that week where like

1313
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: we can just afford to mess around a little bit.

1314
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: My son Jack's having a big season in soccer. He

1315
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: has seventeen goals and he's coming off back to back

1316
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: hat tricks. I'm very proud of because it's fun to

1317
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: see him play with passion, which he doesn't quite have

1318
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: in little league. His coach has to tell him in

1319
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: the second half of these games, hey, you're done scoring,

1320
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: let's get some assists. Yeah, just said. And there's a

1321
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: couple kids on the team that haven't scored a goal

1322
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: yet this season. That's what McCarthy. The Texas Coast offense

1323
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: could be in that mode against.

1324
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: What's his response to that, though, because a child would

1325
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: be like I typically would want to just keep scoring.

1326
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: I raise my children. Well, he understands, he understands, he's

1327
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: a good teammate.

1328
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 7: Guys, before we move on, you mentioned gifted striker, a

1329
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 7: gifted young.

1330
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Strin spread to yes, going here.

1331
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: But you don't want to talk about my son's soccer.

1332
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 7: I just wanted to get in before we move along.

1333
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 7: People what they want this is pretty not so. A

1334
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 7: couple of days ago, they were fifteen, they were fifteen

1335
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 7: and a half point favorites, so they're getting bet up still.

1336
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 7: So people are still bet on the Cowboys moving the

1337
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 7: number that way, and they would be They would be

1338
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 7: the largest spread this season. They were actually already set

1339
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 7: the largest spread with the fifteen point when they were

1340
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 7: fifteen point dogs to the Bills in Week.

1341
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: Six the Giants.

1342
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 5: The Giants, Yes, the Cowboys are also the biggest favorites

1343
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 5: to lose a game this year, and that was against

1344
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 5: the Cardinals.

1345
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 7: I mean, in that Giants Bills game, it came down to,

1346
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 7: you know, an untimed down.

1347
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: Give yourself a ding, Give yourself a ding that she

1348
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: deserved it, baby one.

1349
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: There a lot of buttons back here, guys.

1350
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you're up.

1351
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: I'll go.

1352
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: Commanders at Seahawks. Uh, Commander's getting six points in. This

1353
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: feels completely fair on the road, I think so. I mean,

1354
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, like Seattle to me has probably got

1355
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 4: feeling a little angry about what's happened recently. I guess

1356
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: for me, it kind of just boils down to the

1357
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 4: sloppy nature of Seattle over since Week five nine giveaways,

1358
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: they only had one in the first four games of

1359
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 4: the season, and you know, it's not just a Gino things.

1360
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: It's environmental.

1361
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: But Gino has four touchdowns and six picks over his

1362
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: last four games. I guess it's like I know that

1363
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 4: we've talked about this as coming to some degree from

1364
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: an element of daring do He's got confidence in his passes,

1365
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: Like I think he does some stuff every game that's

1366
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 4: pretty beautiful, but you can't have him doing this. And

1367
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: I thought that last week was the first week where

1368
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll has been as ultrafan had a little there's

1369
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 4: a little bit of frustration and a little bit of like, yeah,

1370
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: this just can't happen. And you got Drew Lock behind you,

1371
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 4: so nothing's going to change. But like the Genos Geno

1372
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 4: Smith experience is a couple of notches down from where

1373
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: we were before.

1374
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 5: Well, their offensive line has skated a little bit. I

1375
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 5: think Gino's helped up by getting rid of the ball quicker.

1376
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 5: With all their injuries, They've been as injured as any

1377
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 5: as like the Giants basically at parts of the year,

1378
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: and last week that really came home through They were

1379
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: dominated so much both sides, but it was crazy how

1380
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 5: little their defensive line also made an impact. And if

1381
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: you're on below average on both lines. Like that's that's

1382
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 5: the number one thing to look for of like who's

1383
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: gonna be a little surprising, who's gonna go win the

1384
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?

1385
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: Who has?

1386
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 5: Like good lines on both sides. I think the Seahawks

1387
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 5: are below average on both sides. That's a tough road

1388
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 5: to hoe. This is a nice week that for them

1389
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 5: that the Commanders traded their ed rushers, because that's what

1390
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 5: I worry about every week is their tackles in Seattle

1391
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 5: holding up against ed rushers, and the Commanders don't have any,

1392
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 5: but they have two pretty good guys inside I think

1393
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 5: the Commanders have. I think six points is a lot

1394
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 5: because I just think the Commanders are a better team

1395
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 5: than that. Like I think I thought it was crazy

1396
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 5: they were underdogs against the Patriots. They're a better team,

1397
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 5: and these two teams don't seem that far apart to me,

1398
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 5: Commanders and Seahawks. I think Seahawks are better. They're more

1399
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 5: talented offensively, but.

1400
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 4: Like I mean, Seattle was like, you know, winning the

1401
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: division seven days ago.

1402
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: Sure, but were you watching them on a week to

1403
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: week basis? And they have the ingredients to play better

1404
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 5: And I think the defense certainly could cause a bunch

1405
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 5: of turnovers against Howell.

1406
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: But How's playing well well.

1407
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 4: I think how also like the you know, some of

1408
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 4: the pressure, some of the sacks has gone down last

1409
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. If that's a trend, that's that's good

1410
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: for him. I kind of feel like he's the quarterback

1411
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: that he will keep you in every game. I mean,

1412
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: did some things against New England that, like we talked about,

1413
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 4: just like weird unscripted stuf where he sees the field

1414
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: in a way where it's like, I think that's that's

1415
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: a headache for defenses.

1416
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 5: He had some insane throws in that game, like Howl's

1417
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 5: kind of doing it.

1418
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 6: He's doing it. It's a fun game.

1419
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: Do you know he's not doing it? Gregory No in

1420
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: his last fourteen games dating back to the last year,

1421
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: because he kind of has fallen off a little bit

1422
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: at the end of last year. Yeah, thirteen interceptions. They

1423
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: have averaged fifteen points per game since Week five. It's

1424
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: twenty ninth in the league. The offense has been not

1425
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: good and they need to change that if they are

1426
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: to be seriously take taken seriously in the NFC West.

1427
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, I have a hambling game for them. I

1428
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 5: will be curious to see the response.

1429
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and you know, I think Carol's been Carol

1430
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: knows how to do this. He knows how to get

1431
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: these teams back on track after something like a blowout

1432
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: loss that they suffered. So when it surprised me, and

1433
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Washington's another team that's hard for me to figure out.

1434
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: And we'll see how. Like you said, he's only been

1435
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: sacked four times in the last two weeks. He was

1436
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: getting sacked every week four times a game at least

1437
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: before that. So if they can protect how he can

1438
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: make the throws and this game gets very uncomfortable for Seattle.

1439
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: I guess it comes down if the.

1440
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: Seahawks pass rush with Leonard Williams now there, if they

1441
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: can get home, that could be the difference maker in

1442
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: this game.

1443
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1444
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 5: Boy, Mafe is playing really well, like they have good

1445
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 5: individual performances, but man, the tackling. That's why I just

1446
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: I pushed back, like Gino's not playing great, But I

1447
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 5: guess it's what are you where are we placing him?

1448
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: To me?

1449
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 3: The idea was he's he's don't move the goal post here.

1450
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm not I'm saying like, if he's a

1451
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 5: quarterback that I think is better than the Dalton line.

1452
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 5: But maybe you guys think is around the Dalton line, Like,

1453
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 5: isn't this what happens? There's there's ups, there's there's downs.

1454
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 5: There there's when you're playing a great defense. It's like Baltimore,

1455
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 5: it falls apart a little. But I was more concerned

1456
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 5: as someone who's rotten for the Seahawks. Everyone is, like

1457
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 5: everyone on that team look terrible. I'm just saying, Devin

1458
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: Witherspoon had a terrible game.

1459
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: Geno comfortably in the top ten of the QB Index,

1460
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, on in October, as I recall, and now

1461
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's really taking a step back here,

1462
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: and that's and they have not been able to deal

1463
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: with that.

1464
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: That's a tough situation.

1465
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 4: And also, like I think we everyone agreese to different

1466
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 4: Everyone agrees that the Geno Smith like last you know,

1467
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen months, is a good story. But like I

1468
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: have less and less confidence that they're going to go

1469
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 4: on the road and win playoff games with him at

1470
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 4: all unless he's perfect, and he's now you get the

1471
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 4: end perfect version, all right, Mark Titans at Tampa Bay.

1472
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: That's good. It's a good one this late in the draft.

1473
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: I I feel like I've been watching a lot of

1474
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: a lot of Baker on Sundays.

1475
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: Just need a little bit of a break. Although he's

1476
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: been kind of fun to watch, marks.

1477
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 4: That you guys, he's been less fun in the will

1478
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: not be the reason I'm picking this. I think the

1479
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 4: whole Bucks offense has been less enjoyable than that first

1480
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: four weeks. I mean they're zero and four since their

1481
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 4: Week five bys, so that tells you a lot about

1482
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay and I think who they really are. This

1483
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 4: is an interesting matchup for Levis, who is so watchable.

1484
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, I'm like on these games, like I

1485
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 4: want to pick one or two players. They could just

1486
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 4: totally tractor beaming me to a game. And that's what's

1487
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 4: happening here. The Bucks are pretty banged up in the secondary,

1488
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: Jamal Deane, Carlton Davis, the backup Josh Hayes, Like these

1489
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: guys are all dealing with injuries, and I feel like

1490
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: Tennessee's passing game is completely different with Will Levis throwing

1491
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: the ball away he does if you're watching on the YouTube,

1492
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 4: it's like this guy just guns it out and I

1493
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: kind of love that the Titans out of the gate.

1494
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: I think there was a wait and see approach that

1495
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: he didn't win the job in camp. You know, he

1496
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: wasn't talked about as the clear backup through most of

1497
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 4: the season. I don't know what they were seeing in practice,

1498
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 4: but what we're seeing in games is the kind of

1499
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 4: person that can transform an offense. And the Bucks are

1500
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 4: thirtieth in EPA against the pass. They already banged up already.

1501
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 4: I kind of like it as an idea for Tennessee

1502
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 4: to continue to change who who we think they are

1503
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 4: on offense, especially they're getting a point in this game.

1504
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 5: I can't believe they're thirtieth against the pass. It just

1505
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 5: shows even though I don't think I don't think they've

1506
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 5: changed during this four game loustric. They've been in most

1507
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 5: of these games and they were just like winning close

1508
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 5: games and against mediocre teams. And now they're losing close

1509
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 5: games against mediocre teams. It's just like they're fine. They're

1510
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 5: they're a generic, They're about the most fine team in

1511
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 5: the NFL.

1512
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: Everything's fine. Baker is a nice story.

1513
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 5: I think Dave Canalis, their offensive coordinator, if this coaching

1514
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 5: staff gets fired, is going to get another good coordinator job,

1515
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: because this is the best I've ever seen Baker play.

1516
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: I think he's really a different player. He's the Dalton

1517
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 5: line for me in the NFL this year, and I'm

1518
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 5: really surprised.

1519
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: And who's QB coach? Was he a year ago?

1520
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 5: Greg Gino Smith? I think they're missing Dave Canalis for sure.

1521
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 5: I was thinking that, like they they miss him when

1522
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 5: I'm watching Baker making these plays.

1523
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: We didn't did you?

1524
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 5: Did you mention that they officially announced that Tanneil is

1525
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 5: not getting this job back, that he is the backup

1526
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 5: this week? And for Tannehill, you know that he said

1527
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 5: that was a hard pill to swallow and he'll he'll

1528
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 5: handle it. But it's the first time actually in his

1529
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: career where he's really been benched permanently for a young

1530
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: guy like that. I think he's turning thirty six this offseason. Dan,

1531
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 5: I do want to point out you gave Mark a

1532
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 5: lot of grief for how he handled Brown's Ravens early. Yes,

1533
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a a little bit of

1534
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 5: grief that you have one early game, two late games,

1535
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 5: and Mark now has three early games, so it's well,

1536
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 5: it's all messed up.

1537
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: We're not in co we're not in concert. But I actually,

1538
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 3: I wait, it's okay.

1539
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: That was an oversight. I thought I had two early games.

1540
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: We can sort it out after. It's not the listeners

1541
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 4: burden to bear.

1542
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: It is not.

1543
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 5: I did like seeing Klaijah Canzi was back in the

1544
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 5: mix last week, their first round pick, and he looked good.

1545
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, we'll work that out. I'm sorry, Sorry, I shouldn't.

1546
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: It's more than actually guess to how I actually interplay. Hey,

1547
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: give all the old those I think you'll see that.

1548
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: We don't need to do anything at all. We're absolutely fine.

1549
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 3: It's all gonna work out.

1550
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: Okay, don't you worry.

1551
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: And you promised me it's gonna be okay, it's gonna

1552
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: be all right.

1553
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 5: Levis uh Lewis showed me more I think in that

1554
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 5: second start than even the first. It wasn't all just

1555
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 5: like Piers and Rainbows. It was to It was two

1556
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 5: minute drills, like repeatable professional throws. He looks so comfortable,

1557
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 5: maybe too comfortable, like like Tannehill. He's gonna get brutalized,

1558
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 5: I think by taking some tough hits. But I think

1559
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 5: he showed more like, Wow, this is gonna stick plays

1560
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh, even in the first game.

1561
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: I agree.

1562
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing that the final score didn't

1563
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: reflect how he played. But that's a pretty I mean,

1564
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: he breathed take there. I mean he was he was electric, and.

1565
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 6: I get it.

1566
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 5: But that's just not gonna happen often where you can

1567
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 5: throw four bombs a game. To do something like he

1568
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 5: did last week, especially those two minute drives were really

1569
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 5: really impressive.

1570
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I kind of uh. I kind

1571
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: of viewed the Levis situation as he had the amazing

1572
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: debut and then he was kind of in a really hard,

1573
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: tough spot on a short week in Pittsburgh. It's like, okay,

1574
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: just survive that, and now we get to see what

1575
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: he looks like with a little extra prep prep time

1576
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: against a defense where you could do some damage. So

1577
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a good one. Finally, let's go

1578
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: to Germany. Do we have our Germany music? Germany music?

1579
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 6: Is it the Gouda Kuntz music or just how.

1580
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: Is your Strudo in your is.

1581
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: The song Germans citizens would pick for us?

1582
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: But okay, it's got like a bit of an Octoberfest feel.

1583
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: That's yes, in the ballpark elements.

1584
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: Well speak for yourself.

1585
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 2: All right. The Indianapolis Colts are facing the New England Patriots.

1586
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: It's a one and a half point spread in face

1587
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: of the Colts. Rich Eyes and Jason mccordy on the call.

1588
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: Our Lady Dall's on the sideline.

1589
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: Love.

1590
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: That's Stacy Dale's and Sarah Walsher, who I have not

1591
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: had the pleasure to meet, but probably a great woman

1592
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: as well.

1593
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: So good team they're calling the game.

1594
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: As for the game itself, you yet, Gardner means you

1595
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: against Mac Jones.

1596
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: This is not a man.

1597
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: You think about the old days Peyton Manning versus Tom

1598
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: Brady and now no difference. Gardner means you against Mac

1599
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: Jones and Greg there is more drama around the Patriots.

1600
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: They are not taking this j C. Jackson thing is

1601
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: not working out. You know. It's a big difference between.

1602
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: GREGI the old Patriots, the good old days and now

1603
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: is In the old days they would trade for someone

1604
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: else's depressed asset like J. C. Jackson. They'd bring him

1605
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: back and he would play out of his mind immediately.

1606
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jamie Collins would come in and suddenly.

1607
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: Jam Collins Jack Jones would immediately like he would be

1608
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 2: like all Pro and the big difference. And this isn't

1609
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: a shot against Belichick, but it's more just the credit

1610
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: to Brady. Like when Brady was there, there was an

1611
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: accountability and a level that you needed to meet to

1612
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: be a part of the Patriot Way. And now all

1613
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: that's melted away, and all that's left is just like

1614
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: this middling team just grinding through an unsuccessful season. And

1615
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 2: when that happens, and trust me, I've been following teams

1616
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: for years that are like that, the the Elijah Moorris

1617
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: for instance, they start, they start to pop up, and

1618
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: then do you get like these people that don't aren't happy,

1619
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: don't feel like they're being treated well or playing enough,

1620
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: and they're not taking J. C. Jackson to Germany. And

1621
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with jack Jones, but

1622
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: there's there's just there's just drama behind the scenes with

1623
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: his team on top of everything else.

1624
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 3: It's a bad look.

1625
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a bad They had those back in

1626
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 5: the day, but they would just get rid of those guys.

1627
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 5: Remember Dahlius Thomas didn't drive to the practice us in

1628
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 5: the Snowstone.

1629
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: No, that was messed up. That was messed up.

1630
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: But he had a whole issue that whole year.

1631
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: But there was a for those of the younger listeners

1632
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: or Adelias Thomas uh there was a blizzard in the

1633
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: New England region and because of the blizzard, he was

1634
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: snowed in, could not get to practice on time, and

1635
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: by the time he got to practice, really risking his

1636
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: life in the process trying to get to the facility.

1637
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: What did Bill do.

1638
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 5: I don't even I mean, he suspended him, I think

1639
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 5: finally to spend it. I don't know if he I

1640
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 5: don't think he cut him right there. But they didn't

1641
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 5: let him play in the game.

1642
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 3: And that was the rich Hubris of the of the day.

1643
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: Back then you could do that and no one would

1644
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: No one would quest certainly none of that.

1645
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: And I won't even get into the guy that ran

1646
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards and four touchdowns on Sunday Night

1647
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: football and then his iPhone didn't go off.

1648
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 5: There was a leadership board there, Yeah, because they because

1649
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: they all the guys that he brought up. He brought

1650
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 5: with them Belichick and all the coaches and the gms

1651
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 5: and everything he was so good at developing. It's like

1652
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 5: they all left and maybe they weren't good elsewhere, but

1653
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 5: he was good at the developing them and that sort

1654
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 5: of decayed. It's why I push back a little bit

1655
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 5: when it's the whole Brady Belichick thing.

1656
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 6: It's like, well, it was proven once and fall. First

1657
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 6: of all, of.

1658
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 5: Course that Tom Brady is more valuable than the coach,

1659
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,719
Speaker 5: but it's the two of them together that made him special.

1660
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 5: But I am waiting for someone to ever point out

1661
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 5: that's like, well, this is the seventy year old version

1662
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 5: of Belichick.

1663
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh he's not going there.

1664
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 5: Well, of course, like why would we just assume he's

1665
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 5: operating at the same level on all ways as he

1666
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 5: was Joe Biden. No, I'm just I don't mean, like

1667
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 5: in terms of game plans or prep and stuff like that,

1668
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 5: I don't really know, But in terms of everything, I

1669
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 5: think it's totally reasonable to believe that he was in

1670
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 5: his prime twenty years ago.

1671
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 3: And maybe sure I.

1672
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 4: Agree with that, but I think there's also like methodical

1673
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 4: choices that you have time to make as an organization.

1674
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 4: They've drafted fourteen players on offense in the first three

1675
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 4: rounds since twenty fourteen.

1676
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: Where where do they lack the most talent?

1677
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: Right now?

1678
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: All over their offense?

1679
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: They've taken eight wide receiver and since the year two

1680
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 4: two thousand in the first three rounds, it's.

1681
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 5: Like they're the only team that misses on second second

1682
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 5: round receivers anymore.

1683
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: Like him being seventy, I mean, I don't know.

1684
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 4: Like Pete Carroll is someone that we're crowing about left

1685
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 4: and right, and he seems rather ageless people.

1686
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 5: He's got a real front office, he's got a real part.

1687
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 3: This is but this isn't a decision that Belichick made.

1688
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 4: Belichick made this decision in Cleveland before he came to

1689
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 4: New England.

1690
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 3: How he wanted to write to me.

1691
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 5: That's the way he operates that it's a one man show,

1692
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 5: but he was very good at developing all the other

1693
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 5: people to help him.

1694
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 6: That is maybe a young man's game.

1695
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 5: I think they lose this game by the way they

1696
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 5: are one and a half point underrec I do want

1697
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 5: to say are to our German fans, thank you for

1698
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 5: listening because when we we've been pushing to try to

1699
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 5: go to Germany and you know, there's various reasons it's

1700
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 5: tough to pull off, and we're told, well, you know

1701
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 5: there's not as much English spoken there, and that's that's true.

1702
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 5: I get it, it's not as much. But I just

1703
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 5: brought up the latest podcast. Yesterday we did the Colleen

1704
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 5: Show in Germany. You know, we give all the all

1705
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 5: the love to the UK listeners. Germany's here number six

1706
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: on the list, over one thousand listens in less than

1707
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 5: the last twenty four hours just on that one episode.

1708
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 5: We're they're a little behind Ireland, shout out to Australia,

1709
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 5: Canada and the UK or a little ahead of them,

1710
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 5: but they're pretty high on that list.

1711
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: So we love you Germany's fans that.

1712
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: Have already traveled ahead to Germany for the game.

1713
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 6: No, it's most weeks. I went, it's most weeks.

1714
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: That just don't kill the message there.

1715
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you listen.

1716
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: If there are German listen listeners, you guys, that's the real.

1717
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 6: There's a lot.

1718
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, look a thousand.

1719
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: Greg likes Germany more than Mark and Dan. We understand

1720
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 4: the point. No, it's it's a it's a global thing.

1721
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 4: Here's my one issue with the Patriots says.

1722
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 3: A lot that way.

1723
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: We should talk about the culture.

1724
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 4: But if you're the Patriots, look what they're playing about

1725
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 4: Mac Jones during the game, which we didn't talk about

1726
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 4: Sunday night.

1727
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 3: This is concerning I thought, what lately got.

1728
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: So Ezekiel Elliott puts up six.

1729
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 3: Mac Joels.

1730
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: Who's that guy? Growing up?

1731
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: Dopted Florida Tat's player as well.

1732
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh boy, they're going quick.

1733
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: Got the motion into Mario Douglas. They give it to

1734
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: him one. I mean, so we have an.

1735
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 6: Audio mostly an audio show.

1736
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so it's uh, you know, multiple glamour shots

1737
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 4: of child Mac Jones as a child model.

1738
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: It explains a lot.

1739
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's John Benny Ramsey, but I don't.

1740
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 4: I just don't like the need there. So sorry, Greg,

1741
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Speaker 4: what were you saying.

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Speaker 2: John Bay, I didn't think she would ever come up

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: on this podcast, and yeah, here we are.

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Speaker 3: I said, it's not like that, thankfully, all right.

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Speaker 2: Anything on the cults. Jonathan Taylor looks like he's taken

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: over that backfield. It took it took enough time. Now

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Speaker 2: let's see if he could have a huge game in Germany.

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel it a breakout tailor game.

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction. One hundred and fifty total yards and

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Speaker 1: a touch.

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Speaker 5: He's been looking good. Their defensive line played well last week.

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 5: Their defensive to dominate that Gardner. Minshew's had a little

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 5: bit diminishing returns. It's been a mess week after week,

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 5: so I good back up. The Patriots have a chance

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 5: to win this game because their offensive line has been

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01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 5: playing better certainly since they put a winnow out there,

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 5: like mac Jones has been fine.

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Speaker 2: I think this line's in a good spot one and

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Speaker 2: a half for the Colts. But yeah, kind of a

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Speaker 2: coin flip. All right, there you go. That's everything. We've

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Speaker 2: done it again and.

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Speaker 3: We will do it again, and we will do.

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Speaker 2: It again tonight. Greg with Mina. That's nice. Mina welcome recently,

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Speaker 2: welcome to a.

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Speaker 3: Daughter, baby boy, baby boy.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations the Mina and her eight family. It's a

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Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And I'm sure you guys will do a

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Speaker 2: great do great justice too and otherwise forgettable contest, but

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: we got Mina, that's a big name. So you have

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Speaker 2: to check out the Thursday night recap.

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Speaker 5: We'll get deep into the Ryan Poles Scott Fitterer trade

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Speaker 5: from last year.

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01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: The around the NFL on NFL Plus. Also we have

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: the Dreamatorium mid season awards show, so you got to

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: make sure you check that out. And yes, after Thursday

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: at the Policy Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Hear the call