Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged Jack. Super Bowl is picked. We
Speaker 1: got the Eagles first, the Chiefs, but the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: a different direction. Brian Schottenheimer, their offensive coordinator thoughts, it's
Speaker 1: written all over your face.
Speaker 2: The last thing I expected to be a topic today
Speaker 2: was the higher that we made for the Cowboy.
Speaker 1: But you're a Cowboy fan. We're about to celebrate. I
Speaker 1: have I have no opinion, no opinion like we thought, Dion,
Speaker 1: might you know entertain that? But I guess not.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked to the biggest star over there with your thought.
Speaker 1: You thought though. Anyway, Man, let's shift gears and welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, our brother friend of the program. Keon Dooley,
Speaker 1: what's having?
Speaker 4: What's up? Soldier?
Speaker 3: Ya? Good? Okay?
Speaker 1: THISZL what's up? Bred Ie? Everything good?
Speaker 4: Man, slow slow motion holding it down over here down south.
Speaker 1: You know how we do appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Excited to start getting you some reps on this side
Speaker 1: working with the company. But let's get down to it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: We had a you know, we had a sit down interview.
Speaker 1: Uh shortly after you were able to touch touch the
Speaker 1: soil again. And what has been the feedback? I mean,
Speaker 1: you were open, you were vulnerable, You told your truth,
Speaker 1: you you lived up to your mistakes. What was the
Speaker 1: respond back and how is it kind of getting out
Speaker 1: and talking because I've seen you on a couple of
Speaker 1: other podcasts since.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's been, it's been. It's been a warm reception,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying to a certain degree, to
Speaker 5: a certain yeah, because I don't listen to the outside noise, right,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I only love who loved me.
Speaker 5: So the naysayers, we need them, We need those impressions,
Speaker 5: We need their their opinions as well, because you got
Speaker 5: to always have naysayers, you got to have dowters, you
Speaker 5: got to have haters, right.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think it was Maino who's said like, if I
Speaker 5: got a hater, I need more, right because it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a part.
Speaker 4: Of the journey.
Speaker 5: But it's been great man. That interview you know, was
Speaker 5: a great springboard for me. It was cathartic, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like I got to release some things
Speaker 5: that I might have.
Speaker 4: Been help holding in. It was it was authentic.
Speaker 5: It was to break that word down from what's that
Speaker 5: cathartic it's just like a peas. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: You get a release, like when you give something, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, when you put words to things
Speaker 5: you might be holding on to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, when you kind of you know, you
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 5: Release and it's like a carthartic experience where you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I got that out right because I don't want to
Speaker 5: dwell in the past.
Speaker 4: Right because the future is too bright.
Speaker 3: So you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was a great experience. Man. We gotta think.
Speaker 5: Man, I think we got over two million something impressions. Bro,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just from the clips and
Speaker 5: all the different platforms and things like that. Man, So
Speaker 5: I really appreciate you guys for aligning me that space
Speaker 5: to you know, share my journey part of my journey
Speaker 5: on another.
Speaker 1: And I hope you don't mind that we share this
Speaker 1: like the real life is kind of kicked in, you know.
Speaker 1: Job opportunities, I mean, you were known as a great teammate,
Speaker 1: great dude, you've worked in the league since you've been
Speaker 1: out the league, But now opportunities, you know, you told me,
Speaker 1: I don't need to say how many doors but doors
Speaker 1: have been shut, and like, how does that hit you?
Speaker 1: Because again, you are a good spirited guy that made
Speaker 1: a mistake, because owned up to a mistake. But now
Speaker 1: real life is now real life is real life.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, shit is real, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, Like I always worked
Speaker 5: around the game, you know what I mean, in the
Speaker 5: front office with the Celtics, you know, uh, with the players,
Speaker 5: association with the you know, the Utah Jazz. So I
Speaker 5: always been around the game. And that's really the life
Speaker 5: that I led. That's all I really known. But I've
Speaker 5: also you know, been able to you know, be a speaker,
Speaker 5: be a consultant, and you know, do things outside of
Speaker 5: just the game that allows me to earn that allows
Speaker 5: me to you know, feel value that you know is
Speaker 5: in alignment with my purpose and my calling. And so
Speaker 5: I'm putting it together, you know what I'm saying. Nobody
Speaker 5: ain't say that shit was gonna be easy. Nobody didn't
Speaker 5: say that anyone owes me anything or anything like that. Like,
Speaker 5: you know, when opportunities don't necessarily like knock at your door,
Speaker 5: that means you gotta go out of there. You gotta
Speaker 5: hunt and gather and you gotta put it together. And
Speaker 5: so like you know, at the end of the day, man,
Speaker 5: you know, coming on the platform, but you guys gives
Speaker 5: me an opportunity to express my skill set, kind of
Speaker 5: reintroduce me back to the culture of the game.
Speaker 4: But we gonna be, like Kendrick say, we gonna be
Speaker 4: all right. You know, we ain't gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: We're definitely gonna be all right. But you know how
Speaker 3: you know what they say.
Speaker 2: You know, people that's miserable and people that are having
Speaker 2: achieved nothing that don't believe in themselves. They have a
Speaker 2: fan base too, you know. So you know what I'm saying, daughters,
Speaker 2: they got a fan base too, man. So it's a
Speaker 2: lot of you have to have people like that because
Speaker 2: you are still in the small percentage of people who
Speaker 2: was able to make it to the NBA be successful.
Speaker 3: So yes, understand what it takes to grind and to
Speaker 3: get that back.
Speaker 2: So that's one plus that you have, My nigga, that's
Speaker 2: one thing I know about you.
Speaker 1: You you know.
Speaker 2: How to hustle and get back, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And a lot of I don't. I don't relate to
Speaker 2: people that never been through nothing, KD. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I don't really because I've been through so
Speaker 2: much of my life and still want to do something.
Speaker 2: Like I was just saying, my my niece just got
Speaker 2: murdered last week. So people, people gonna're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 2: always go through stuff. But the men we are, the
Speaker 2: pride we taking being protects and providers, it's gonna all
Speaker 2: and the faith we have in God is gonna always
Speaker 2: get us through whatever we're going through.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: So I know you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's coming together. Bro. I ain't complaining,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like I could have complained when I was on the
Speaker 5: other side of the walls at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like you know, when you're working,
Speaker 5: you know, two jobs, you know, in a federal place,
Speaker 5: and you're getting paid fifty dollars a month, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like that's humbling. Like you know, the
Speaker 5: things that I'm putting together now are more lucrative, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, more fulfilling. I get to sleep
Speaker 5: in my bed every night, I get to lay next
Speaker 5: to my babe, I get to wake my kids up.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I get a new opportunity every day to grow, right,
Speaker 5: So it's just a part of the journey. Like I ain't,
Speaker 5: I ain't. One thing you're not gonna hear me do
Speaker 5: is complain or anything like that. I'm gonna put my
Speaker 5: head down on a fucking grind straight like that.
Speaker 1: With that being said, we about the halfway point, a
Speaker 1: little bit past the halfway point of the season. Uh,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some awards and what we've liked
Speaker 1: thus far and we haven't liked thus far in the season.
Speaker 1: First up, big years guys that made jumps most improved category.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a bunch of guys out there, but
Speaker 1: in your mind, KD, who have you seen make the
Speaker 1: biggest jump this season?
Speaker 5: You know what, Matt, It's awesome because there's different kinds
Speaker 5: of jumps.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: There's jumps that, like you know, role players make that
Speaker 5: make them more impactful, and then there's there's there's jumps
Speaker 5: that guys who have superstar potential can make. And so
Speaker 5: I think Kate Cunningham is somebody you kind of got
Speaker 5: to start off with statistically, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: he's made a big jump in the assist category. But
Speaker 5: more so than just to assist, it's the presence in
Speaker 5: the winning plays that he's made. He's always had good stats,
Speaker 5: he always could get a bucket and things like that,
Speaker 5: but now he's doing it more efficiently and it's translating
Speaker 5: into wins for his team.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So, Kate is somebody I think, you know who's made
Speaker 5: a big jump this year, even though statistically with points
Speaker 5: it hadn't been a big jump.
Speaker 4: But assists, yes, I think.
Speaker 5: I think uh Dyson Daniels out out in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: His impact on the.
Speaker 5: Defensive end in particular, which I think is so undervalued.
Speaker 4: In our game.
Speaker 5: Like he's making winning plays, he's checking the toughest cover
Speaker 5: every night, and he's doing it you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: ones through threes pretty much. You know what I mean
Speaker 5: as far as position and having that defensive flexibil So
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: He's made a great jump.
Speaker 5: We can't discount what Powell has done with the Clippers, right,
Speaker 5: losing PG, losing losing that kind of bucket, that kind
Speaker 5: of impactfl generational talent and to increase your scoring by
Speaker 5: ten points when everybody kind of wrote the Clippers out like,
Speaker 5: I think Norman has done a fantastic job with that.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, there's some other guys that you can
Speaker 5: mention as well, but those three kind of stand out
Speaker 5: the most, like, you know, kind of from my vantish point.
Speaker 1: I like what you said about Kaye his presence. It
Speaker 1: looks like the game is slowed down for him, and
Speaker 1: in the fact that he has the pistons in the
Speaker 1: middle of the pack five or six, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing. Because Detroit's been in the toilet
Speaker 1: for a minute. But they got a lot of young talent,
Speaker 1: and he looks like he looks like the kind of
Speaker 1: like lead by example type guy, the guy that just
Speaker 1: goes out there and does it right and plays the
Speaker 1: right way every single night. So I definitely like what
Speaker 1: Kate is talking about. And then yeah, me Norman Poweb
Speaker 1: my Brooin. I don't think anyone saw he would show flashes.
Speaker 1: He went on runs last year when he was averaging no.
Speaker 1: Above twenty, but to to boost your average by ten.
Speaker 1: And you know, he and James Hardener are a big reason, right,
Speaker 1: you know why the clips are still afloat. You know
Speaker 1: why Kawhi is working through some stuff. So I like
Speaker 1: those stat who's on your radar.
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, I'm going I'm I'm gonna give some
Speaker 2: props to somebody who I think took a big jump
Speaker 2: this year, and also a guy who took a big
Speaker 2: jump now he's in the MVP talk. I'm going the
Speaker 2: same team though, I'm going from the start with Evan Mobley.
Speaker 2: I think what the way the way he stepped up
Speaker 2: and played this year. A lot of people was talking
Speaker 2: about him last year. They might not pan out Da
Speaker 2: da da da, he don't have this motor da da da.
Speaker 2: This year he's really he's really stepped up and been
Speaker 2: that second second guy sometimes I mean the third guy,
Speaker 2: sometimes the second guy over there in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: And then I gotta give Donovan Mitchell his props.
Speaker 2: He's definitely MVP talk now, the way he's been playing
Speaker 2: there and the ways got Cleveland playing in the East
Speaker 2: right now. So I think just those two guys along
Speaker 2: have made it big step and it's a blessing that
Speaker 2: they on the set on the same team, having the
Speaker 2: same good year at the same time.
Speaker 1: That's a good car. I like Jalen Johnson over there
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I mean again, not a huge number jump,
Speaker 1: but he's at nineteen ten and five. You know, this
Speaker 1: young kid is starting to figure out the game. He's long,
Speaker 1: he's athletic. I got a chance to see him work
Speaker 1: out because he has the same trainer as the twins,
Speaker 1: and he goes. I love his motor even in the workout.
Speaker 1: You know that that says a lot about these young players.
Speaker 1: So I really like what he's been doing and really
Speaker 1: starting to, you know, make a name. Shit, nineteen ten
Speaker 1: and five, that's you know, those those are serious numbers
Speaker 1: right there. But Jack, good call on Evan Mobley. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen what Donovan Mitchell has been able to do
Speaker 1: as far as you know, he's been one of the
Speaker 1: best bucket getters in this league. But the verdict, the
Speaker 1: jury was out with Evan Mobley. He got his money,
Speaker 1: and people weren't really sure, Okay did they you know,
Speaker 1: did they throw this money away? But I definitely think
Speaker 1: he stepped up and really starting to come into his
Speaker 1: own man. So it was our consistent consensus most improved
Speaker 1: player for this season.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have it Mobley, Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go Norman Norman Powell for me.
Speaker 3: Good call, good call.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I don't want to go the same
Speaker 1: as anyone else. I'm gonna go, ok, cutting him for
Speaker 1: what he's been able to do and where he has
Speaker 1: his team playing right now. Up next, the most surprising team.
Speaker 1: There's been teams that, you know, it's the league is
Speaker 1: so young now, the league is so young when you
Speaker 1: look at who's leading the you know, the respective conferences,
Speaker 1: but there's a handful of like some real surprises. So Jack,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you this time. Who is your surprise team? Uh?
Speaker 1: Thus far this year?
Speaker 2: I would have to I'm still gonna go with Dallas,
Speaker 2: considering they have without Luca. They have they been missing
Speaker 2: Luca all year and they're still been able to hold
Speaker 2: on and play, you know, to play well and win
Speaker 2: big games and hang around. You know, when you lose
Speaker 2: a guy like Luca, you struggle, You really really struggle.
Speaker 2: When you use the start like that, I think everybody
Speaker 2: on their team and JKB be they would keep the
Speaker 2: team together to being somewhat close to the team they
Speaker 2: were last year.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of hard without Lucas. I'm going Dallas, man.
Speaker 2: I think Dallas is as a team that should be
Speaker 2: completely at the bottom without their start, but they're still
Speaker 2: holding on who uh.
Speaker 1: Do we know what's wrong with Luca Calf? Okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I remember the game he went out. I just didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't see what they said. I'm not mad at
Speaker 1: that pick, Katie, who you got.
Speaker 4: It's a few teams that kind of stand out to me.
Speaker 5: I think, you know the jump that Detroit was able
Speaker 5: to have, you know what I mean, it's been tremendous.
Speaker 3: JB.
Speaker 4: Bickerstaff Man.
Speaker 5: You know, his tentacles, JB Man JB always been a soldier,
Speaker 5: but his tentacles in the what he started in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Coach Jackinson is benefiting from that.
Speaker 5: Right he played, He laid a good foundation down for them,
Speaker 5: and he was able to translate that over into Detroit.
Speaker 5: So Detroit has been a surprise. Houston has been a
Speaker 5: surprise for me. The emy effect, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: is known for getting it done. He comes from an
Speaker 5: incredible pedigree of coaches that he's been under and who
Speaker 5: and he has a rap sheet of you know, getting
Speaker 5: things done when he takes over a program.
Speaker 4: So those teams are surprising.
Speaker 5: But who would have thought that Cleveland would be at
Speaker 5: the top, you know what I'm saying in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 5: So to me, Cleveland is the biggest surprise. Though they
Speaker 5: were a good team. Know, they got a lot of
Speaker 5: talent over there. They've really put it together and they've
Speaker 5: you know, they've got the most wins in the East
Speaker 5: right now. So I think Cleveland to me has been
Speaker 5: the biggest surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Cleveland has definitely been impressive and it's starting to
Speaker 1: come together because they've showed flashes at times during the
Speaker 1: regular season last year and then you know, hitting some
Speaker 1: roadblocks in the playoffs, but making those jumps. I like
Speaker 1: the Pistons, you know, last year they only won fourteen games.
Speaker 1: They're at twenty three games, you know at the midway point.
Speaker 1: And again a huge part to do with Cad, you know,
Speaker 1: and that young crew out there, and obviously you know
Speaker 1: coach jb that you mentioned. But I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the Rockets man second in the West, you know, with
Speaker 1: an extremely young team. I mean, you know, Van Fleet
Speaker 1: is kind of your og, but Jayden Green is one
Speaker 1: of my you know, favorite players to watch. Sengngoon is
Speaker 1: a beast over there. They got one of the one
Speaker 1: of the twins. Yeah, twins are nasty over there. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what they also have is they have a
Speaker 1: lot of assets too, you know, if there's a way
Speaker 1: that they can maneuver. Although they're sitting too with the West,
Speaker 1: you know, I still think there's some teams come playoff
Speaker 1: times they're going to have trouble with. But they have
Speaker 1: a lot of young assets too, So you know, watch
Speaker 1: them as we approach the trade deadline. Who's the head
Speaker 1: coach over there? Oh yeah, it slipped my mind. You know,
Speaker 1: he was a he was a gritty player, you know,
Speaker 1: he was someone play in the league with us. He
Speaker 1: was always a dog, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: he's been able to have that same mentality, you know,
Speaker 1: going through some bumps over there in Boston and be
Speaker 1: able to reland his feet and establish himself as one
Speaker 1: of the best young minds in this game. So I'm
Speaker 1: taking Houston, Jack, you got who'd you got? Jack? Dallas?
Speaker 1: And then Katie, you got Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't forget. You may come from under that
Speaker 2: San Antonio tree coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he mentioned that definitely. The pedigree disappointing teams,
Speaker 1: Teams with higher expectations this year that we thought, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna definitely do more and possibly even contend in
Speaker 1: their respective conferences. KD. Who jumps out to you or
Speaker 1: who are a few teams to jump out to you
Speaker 1: as just a big disappointment this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, you know, you can't predict injuries
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 4: I thought New Orleans would take a jump, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: But you know, Zion's lack of you know, availability has
Speaker 5: kind of like slowed their growth.
Speaker 4: And things like that.
Speaker 5: You know, I thought they had some momentum. But to me,
Speaker 5: you gotta look at the sixers, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: and kind of the roster that they've assembled. You know,
Speaker 5: when you look at that roster across the board, you
Speaker 5: know you got solid backups and role players, guys who
Speaker 5: can plug in, but guys who might not be able
Speaker 5: to keep you at the upper echelon if they have.
Speaker 1: To, like you know, produce, really carry the load, really
Speaker 1: carry the load.
Speaker 5: So I know injuries have plagued them and things like that,
Speaker 5: but I have to say, you know, I think Philly
Speaker 5: has been the most disappointing team.
Speaker 4: Record ride wise in my opinion thus far.
Speaker 2: I got two teams where I'm totally disappointed equally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one team made the trade and thought they're gonna get better,
Speaker 2: and the other team just felt like they had all
Speaker 2: the pieces already. It's Minnesota and the Lakers. These teams.
Speaker 2: Both of these teams are depressing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You expected Minnesota to take a big lead, you know,
Speaker 2: even though with the year they had now they felt
Speaker 2: like they made the trade that made them better and
Speaker 2: they didn't got worse. And the Lakers, you know, you
Speaker 2: got a forty y'all that's still playing at the top
Speaker 2: of his game, but and y'all, y'all were lying on
Speaker 2: him and ad to continue to get y'all to where
Speaker 2: y'all say y'all gonna be, and it never happens, And
Speaker 2: then when it doesn't happen, you try to blame it
Speaker 2: on them supporting cast.
Speaker 3: They need to start that.
Speaker 2: It's the same old rhythm moroe with the Lakers from
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, bro, and it just got
Speaker 2: too depressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lakers didn't have much move in this offseason.
Speaker 1: Although they're sitting at fifth in the West. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna say that they have a
Speaker 1: chance to really win a championship, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: very much movement. And to your point, Jack, you know,
Speaker 1: it's still the big one person. I think he's made
Speaker 1: a nice jump this year though, too is Austin Reeves.
Speaker 1: He's really playing good basketball. He's making big plays, he's
Speaker 1: handling the ball down the stretch for them and getting
Speaker 1: them in their sets or getting his own. So I
Speaker 1: really like what he's been able to do. Katie. I'm
Speaker 1: rolling with you man Sixers. You know Embiid. I think
Speaker 1: Embiid set the tone early, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And for this team too. If he's your guy and
Speaker 1: he has franchise obviously one of the greatest players all
Speaker 1: time type talent, but I think his mentality is fucked up. Bro,
Speaker 1: his mind is his His mind isn't where it needs
Speaker 1: to be, and the grind isn't where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: For that, it doesn't match the talent, the god given talent.
Speaker 1: The grind doesn't match it. I don't think that the
Speaker 1: mindset matches it. And if your star player is on
Speaker 1: some you know, hey, I'm late every time I'm not playing,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's going on type shit. And
Speaker 1: then obviously, you know, picking up PG. You know, my
Speaker 1: brother PG, and he got that big deal there, and
Speaker 1: he struggled at times trying to find his rhythm. But
Speaker 1: they do have two good young players over there, and
Speaker 1: in MAXI obviously, who has a chance to be an
Speaker 1: All Star this year. And then Jared McCain. I think
Speaker 1: he before he got hurt, he was definitely on pace
Speaker 1: to be the Rookie of the Year this season. So
Speaker 1: they got, you know, some good young pieces. All that
Speaker 1: shit start with Matt. Not to cut you off, PG
Speaker 1: is averaging. His stats are the exact same as Tobias
Speaker 1: Harris stats when he was Yes, I saw that, like
Speaker 1: seventeen points right seven And it's nuts, you know, because
Speaker 1: he's better than that. But you know, he got to
Speaker 1: be able to find his rhythm, his.
Speaker 3: Role dropping my ball. Rico crazy out, jam.
Speaker 1: Man, we're about to have both eyes closing in a second.
Speaker 1: He already got that Forest Whitaker eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been tough for them, Matt.
Speaker 5: And you know, like so many guys like get momentum,
Speaker 5: you know, from the Olympics, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: and they can like kind of you know, translate that.
Speaker 4: Into the season.
Speaker 5: But like the older you get and depending on where
Speaker 5: your body is, man, sometimes that that that that long
Speaker 5: grind didn't give your covery time that you needed in
Speaker 5: the off season, especially like after the playoffs, Winn and
Speaker 5: b was still struggling with injuries, some freaking injuries.
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, wearing tear.
Speaker 5: But like they got to get a hold on, you know,
Speaker 5: his body because the franchise is in his.
Speaker 4: Hands, you know.
Speaker 2: And he just started playing basketball to late too, like
Speaker 2: we stopped playing at a young age, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So he just started playing basketball in late two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I remember luke My Bote, luke My Butta
Speaker 5: used to have him, you know, in Milwaukee with them
Speaker 5: and things like that. I ain't both of them are
Speaker 5: from Cameroon, if I'm not mistaken, And so like you know,
Speaker 5: he developed you know, that talent over time, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's a tremendous talent.
Speaker 5: Gil talks about like, you know, the mindset that you
Speaker 5: have to have when you're young to be that guy. Right,
Speaker 5: It's hard to develop that mindset to be that guy
Speaker 5: at all times.
Speaker 4: It's grueling, you know what I'm saying. It's not easy.
Speaker 5: To do, and so hopefully he could just get healthy
Speaker 5: enough because when we all know, when he's healthy, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, chick's most impossible.
Speaker 1: He could be the best player in the world when
Speaker 1: he's healthy. And to his defense, somebody, how hard can
Speaker 1: he really work in the off season? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Too hard? Are you going to get hurt?
Speaker 1: You know, in the off season trying to get yourself. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, I think he made a great point.
Speaker 1: They got to get it. He got to get ahold
Speaker 1: of his body because he needs He's gonna need that thing.
Speaker 1: The biggest apology of this season. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have been written off, whether it be players and coaches,
Speaker 1: and two guys come to mind with me, one being
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and the way he's just been appreciated and
Speaker 1: showing the respect he deserves and the love he deserves
Speaker 1: in Denver and him and Jokich, you know, to be
Speaker 1: able to be teammates that have what had two triple
Speaker 1: doubles in the same game this season. Looks like he's
Speaker 1: having fun, he's smiling, he's talking shit. The crowd loves him.
Speaker 1: I mean, his numbers aren't jumping off the page. I
Speaker 1: mean he's thirteen, six and five, but we know in
Speaker 1: any given night he could be your leading scorer, you know,
Speaker 1: at thirty or forty and throw out triple doubles still
Speaker 1: and really being able to get along with Yokic. And
Speaker 1: I say second man is James Harden. I love with
Speaker 1: him and obviously we spoke Norman Pealing the last Awards ceremony,
Speaker 1: but with you know, nothing short of amazing, you know
Speaker 1: when we've talked a lot about you know, him kind
Speaker 1: of forcing his way out of situations and not coming
Speaker 1: in in shape and then it and no, but he's
Speaker 1: back at the crib and he's really hooping and he
Speaker 1: has his team in the thick of it. I think
Speaker 1: five or six in the West, maybe in sixth place,
Speaker 1: right behind the Lakers. But twenty two, eight and six,
Speaker 1: he's someone that could still give you, you know, a
Speaker 1: ton of those big breakout nights. So those two former
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City thunder La natives, I really think that everybody
Speaker 1: owes both them an apology. Jack, who you think who
Speaker 1: you got for me? Personal?
Speaker 2: Because I know I was one person killing him after
Speaker 2: the playoffs he had last year against Dallis.
Speaker 3: I'm going cat cat Man, you know in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: In Minnesota, you know, he was shooting all those threes
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and everybody wanted him to be inside
Speaker 2: like man, Cat done.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Even Minnesota felt like that and they got him out
Speaker 2: there and some of New York not look at it.
Speaker 2: In New York, you gotta breath like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: big Bode got the balling man, So I got that.
Speaker 2: I gotta go with Cat. He always been silid with
Speaker 2: me too, but a lot of pologies need to be
Speaker 2: head this way as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack, Yeah, absolutely right, absolutely right. And I forgot
Speaker 1: about him, and it was interesting to me because I
Speaker 1: thought he's someone that would do well on the big stage.
Speaker 1: And as we mentioned, you know, Minnesota made this trade
Speaker 1: thinking they were better than themselves, and Cat obviously took
Speaker 1: offense to that. And you know he's at twenty five
Speaker 1: and fourteen at the Garden. Every night he's putting on
Speaker 1: at the Garden, and you know he's loving it and
Speaker 1: playing great basketball. Jack, I love that call. Man, shout
Speaker 1: out Cat and what he's been doing.
Speaker 4: This year for sure for me. Jason Tatum, Okay, you know.
Speaker 5: Like JT is twenty seven, I think nine or ten
Speaker 5: boards a game, five and a half assists, and then
Speaker 5: on the defensive end, Boston is one of the best
Speaker 5: defensive teams in the game, and they switched pretty much
Speaker 5: one through five. So at some point, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to defend. He's rebounding, he's defending,
Speaker 5: he's playing championship ball. He's doing it amongst all the noise,
Speaker 5: right Like, he gets a lot of.
Speaker 1: Criticism, Hey, you not criticism, he just gets a lot
Speaker 1: of hate. I mean there's podcasts out here that are
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, and it's my whole boy, it
Speaker 1: was it Brandon Jinger with Sean mc kantz, one of
Speaker 1: them two from gils Arena. Just I think it was bag.
Speaker 1: I think it was bro like he just be taking
Speaker 1: strays for no reason. And obviously he's coming out. You know,
Speaker 1: keep in mind he's playing with a chip on the show.
Speaker 1: You saw he'd even fuck with Coach Kurkr the other day.
Speaker 1: He's definitely see Coach Kurr Lingery's man, I'm off you.
Speaker 1: You didn't play me at all. But you know the
Speaker 1: discrepancy where everyone wants him and Jayden Brown the butt he has,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that you know their chemistry is great.
Speaker 1: But I like that call too, Katie. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: listen to the Jason Tatum slander because I'm a real
Speaker 1: basketball mind and I know how good he is. Like
Speaker 1: the rest of like we know, we don't listen to that,
Speaker 1: Like Jason Tatum, cut that shit out, bro. He's top
Speaker 1: five in the world, so good for sure, class, but
Speaker 1: not least. I mean, some people have this a runaway,
Speaker 1: some people have it a two man race. You can
Speaker 1: throw one more in there if you'd like this season's MVP.
Speaker 1: Let me just run through. Let me run through some
Speaker 1: stuff because right said the same shit earlier. Let's start
Speaker 1: with Yanni's top five in points, rebounds, in double doubles
Speaker 1: thirty one, twelve, and six, and they're currently fourth in
Speaker 1: the East after the start they had. Jokic has better
Speaker 1: numbers than his previous MVP numbers, top three in points,
Speaker 1: rebound and assist thirty, thirteen and ten. The Nuggets have
Speaker 1: the fourth offense in the league and currently sit at
Speaker 1: fourth in the West. And if it's unanimous, if it's
Speaker 1: a no brainer, I think you guys could talk about
Speaker 1: that boy. SGA at thirty two points, five, rebound, six assists, thunder,
Speaker 1: number one in the league, top six offense and defense.
Speaker 1: And they're doing it with someone who came out and
Speaker 1: to me was could have had the breakout. You're the
Speaker 1: most improved player of the year. And Chet, the way
Speaker 1: Chet was playing this year before he got his back
Speaker 1: or lower back injury, he was playing some special basketball.
Speaker 1: So Stack, I'm with you. Uh, this year's MVP will be.
Speaker 3: A little boy from Canada. Man.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sir, listen. Not not even just the way
Speaker 2: it's playing. Did he played his players like his attitude,
Speaker 2: That's what I think with Like y'all, nobody can't fuck
Speaker 2: with me on off the court.
Speaker 3: I'm the five motherfucker. I'm gonna come give you thirty.
Speaker 3: I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't hanging with none of y'all.
Speaker 2: Y'all don't see me out with none of these motherfuckers
Speaker 2: talking to him and dropped my bars on my Instagram
Speaker 2: like his whole his whole demean I fuck with. But
Speaker 2: the way he's playing on the court, man, I just
Speaker 2: think he's just showing he he's shown last year. He
Speaker 2: feel like he deserved it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He always been in that talks. But this year he's made.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he came in, he came in this
Speaker 2: season thinking like you know what, I'm gonna separate myself
Speaker 2: from everybody and force y'all to where it ain't no,
Speaker 2: it ain't no competition. It's it's a shoe wind that
Speaker 2: I'm m VP of this season. I think he definitely
Speaker 2: deserves it.
Speaker 1: Rarely are you as cold off the court as you
Speaker 1: are on the court, But that motherfucker s g A
Speaker 1: is cold off the court too. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of isms to his to his to who he is
Speaker 1: and what he stands for. KD who you got, yep.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna piggyback off of stat Jack. You know,
Speaker 5: I think SGA it's his time. I thought last year
Speaker 5: could have been his time as well. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: like when we were playing, they diversified who was the
Speaker 5: MVPs because there were certain guys who could really win the.
Speaker 1: MVP every year every year, right.
Speaker 5: And sometimes they go by winns, sometimes they go by statistics.
Speaker 1: I think they moved the gold post for certain people.
Speaker 4: You know, you know Russ Russ was triple doubling for years, right.
Speaker 1: They did it with me with Steve Nash.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, I just think that, like you know,
Speaker 5: it's good for the game for SGA to kind of
Speaker 5: get that that under his resume, right, especially as the
Speaker 5: league gets older and you have new emerging stars. I think,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, this helped sell the game.
Speaker 5: You know, though he played ball at Kentucky. You know
Speaker 5: he's from Canada, right, so it is still that international
Speaker 5: though it's North American and international international. Nevertheless, So I
Speaker 5: think SGA, with the success that they've had as a
Speaker 5: team and just statistically analytically and the winning plays that
Speaker 5: he makes, especially in the crunch time, I think SGA,
Speaker 5: you know, deserves to get that m v P this year.
Speaker 4: If he stays on his track.
Speaker 1: Let Trump tell it, Ken is gonna be the fifty
Speaker 1: first state. So over here, I agree. I think this
Speaker 1: is our first unanimous. I think SGA is the pick,
Speaker 1: but not only for everything that you guys have mentioned
Speaker 1: what he's done, but the way Presty has this fucking
Speaker 1: team set up, you know what I mean, They're gonna
Speaker 1: have some tough decisions to make. I don't think they
Speaker 1: can pay everybody, but the collateral they have the stop
Speaker 1: the picks they have and all the stuff they have
Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline, and then the young team they have.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean with that Williams boy, you
Speaker 1: know obviously Chet what's his name? The lou Dort has
Speaker 1: turned himself into someone you remember when he started bro
Speaker 1: he couldn't even hit the rim on three point like
Speaker 1: they were boring. He's turned himself into an elite three
Speaker 1: point shooter and one of the best defenders in the game.
Speaker 1: And I think one thing we can all appreciate as
Speaker 1: former players. They all fuck with each other heavy. The
Speaker 1: dog pound fucks me and that shit means something you
Speaker 1: can win without. You know, you can have beefs, but
Speaker 1: those teams that I mean, we've all been on teams
Speaker 1: that when everybody fucks with each other just makes that
Speaker 1: shit so much better. Man, the journey is that much sweeter.
Speaker 1: So I definitely think it's unanimous. It's Vegas picks, It's
Speaker 1: DraftKings picks for MVP. Real quickly, before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, I'll be remissed it out mentioning our brother
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant Man five years since him and Gigi and
Speaker 1: those others lost their life on that plane. I can't
Speaker 1: believe how fast it's gone by. KD. Give me your
Speaker 1: best Kobe Bryant memory.
Speaker 4: You know what I don't. It's hard to have one out.
Speaker 4: You know. I was at his last game where he
Speaker 4: went off.
Speaker 5: You know, I remember meeting them, you know, fifteen sixteen
Speaker 5: years out in Vegas. I did the round Ball Classic
Speaker 5: like I you know, but for me, like the personal
Speaker 5: part of Kobe, Like you know, when we play the Lakers,
Speaker 5: Kobe's like a k.
Speaker 4: Detail your family.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna come out and say hello, We're gonna take
Speaker 5: pictures for any of your.
Speaker 4: Family or anybody that Like.
Speaker 5: It was those little intimate moments where he took time,
Speaker 5: you know, to just kind of check in with me,
Speaker 5: to say hello, to just kind of you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, show an extra little bit of love. We
Speaker 5: both with Rob Polinka at the time and uh Man
Speaker 5: Cole Just for me, Man, not only was he an
Speaker 5: inspiration and a motivation, he just was a.
Speaker 4: Man of respect.
Speaker 5: Especially like as he grew in his personality, he made
Speaker 5: you feel like you were the only person in the
Speaker 5: room when he would have a conversation with you. So
Speaker 5: I would just say those moments after the game when
Speaker 5: he would take pictures with my family, my friends and
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 4: I wish I would have got more pictures with.
Speaker 5: Him, you know what I mean, had a new thing
Speaker 5: with I know now, but yeah, it was just those
Speaker 5: those little intimate moments where he took time out for
Speaker 5: my family.
Speaker 1: Jack has been five years, man, five years. You know
Speaker 1: what comes to mind when you think about coch.
Speaker 2: Uh not only you know the episode, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we hold that deal to our heart.
Speaker 3: You know his last interview. I think that means a lot.
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm gonna say kind of similar to what
Speaker 2: KD said doing Kobe's farewell tour. He came in played
Speaker 2: here in Atlanta, and I was able to bring my son,
Speaker 2: Steve Jor to the game, and like like.
Speaker 3: Kat said, this was his farewell to it.
Speaker 2: So you know, the hall is filled with people, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, everybody in there. But I mean
Speaker 2: he saw me, you know, Class ninety six beend on
Speaker 2: each other forever, and uh, he saw my son, bro
Speaker 2: He pulled my son to the side. Not only did
Speaker 2: he spend time or something, but it was about thirty
Speaker 2: minutes Matt, you know, the the bus waiting on him.
Speaker 3: Man, they got aligned. But just that, like he said,
Speaker 3: just that the person he was.
Speaker 2: To spend that time with my son, my sonill never
Speaker 2: forget it, because I know I won't ever forget it,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But but but just for
Speaker 2: him to spend that thirty minutes knowing all these people
Speaker 2: waiting on him and knowing how much that meant to
Speaker 2: me and my son, that I just you know, I
Speaker 2: miss him more.
Speaker 3: I missed more as a person in the basketball player.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely man rest in peace to our brother man
Speaker 1: and sending love creativity to the family.
Speaker 3: K appreciate Matt.
Speaker 2: Matt, same question to you, because you know you know
Speaker 2: him just as well as anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's the human side that you
Speaker 1: guys mentioned. You know that to the twins, it was
Speaker 1: uncle Kobe, you know what I mean. He literally from
Speaker 1: the time they got there four years old, got every
Speaker 1: shoe release to them boys, and then once they started playing,
Speaker 1: their whole team got every single shoe and literally a
Speaker 1: week before he passed, he's like they got his last
Speaker 1: shoe that he puts out. And then you know, love Vanessa,
Speaker 1: you know, for since Vanessa's been carried it on since
Speaker 1: so these motherfuckers got you take care of me card
Speaker 1: than everybody, you know what I mean. So just the
Speaker 1: love and the way we were able to see that
Speaker 1: the human side of him, you know, him coming to
Speaker 1: the twins are eight years old and he come in
Speaker 1: two hours early to watch them play at eight o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and they don't play, you know, him
Speaker 1: and Gig don't play till ten or eleven, So it's
Speaker 1: just the other shit jack.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know how great he was on the court,
Speaker 1: but being able to know the true who he was,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the MAMPA is something I'll always
Speaker 1: you know, Cherish kt Man, we appreciate your time. We
Speaker 1: will definitely have you back. I love what you're doing, man,
Speaker 1: and you know what we're praying for you. And you
Speaker 1: know you always got a home over here at all
Speaker 1: the smoke bro.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man, Matt. I love to just
Speaker 5: give a quick shout out to my.
Speaker 4: Boy Chris Bernard, who just passed man for the next
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: It's work for the Players Tribune. Had an immense impact
Speaker 5: impact on my life. And uh man, we've been working
Speaker 5: on this documentary you know since before I went in
Speaker 5: and you know, like I got to make sure I
Speaker 5: bring that to a close, you know, and honor his memory.
Speaker 4: And things like that.
Speaker 5: So I just want to take the time, you know,
Speaker 5: Rest in peace, my boy, Chris Binard. Thank you for
Speaker 5: all that you've done for me and a lot of
Speaker 5: other players across the board.
Speaker 1: Kat one of the real good dudes in the league.
Speaker 1: One of the real good dudes and crazy enough. When
Speaker 1: we did our interview with you in Miami, we you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, let me get his number. I
Speaker 1: talked to see being in minute. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean in the fact, like you just never know, never know,
Speaker 1: brother man. Rest in peace to Chris Bernard, KD. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you soon, bro.
Speaker 4: Okay, camp, I.
Speaker 1: Want to welcome the newest member to the All the
Speaker 1: Smoke Fight family, one half of the dynamic duo Ring Champs.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome right now. Oh man, you and
Speaker 1: Jack were just talking about this. This has been a
Speaker 1: long time coming, you know, you guys have been cooking
Speaker 1: this up and and and you're finally here. You'll be
Speaker 1: doing a weekly show sure called Ring Champs. And what
Speaker 1: can our fans in the Fight space expect from you guys?
Speaker 7: Well, first off, thank you for having one half of Rock.
Speaker 7: For some reason, he has an old show and old
Speaker 7: typing skills, so he couldn't get on, so I have
Speaker 7: to take the lead on this. First off, thank you
Speaker 7: guys for accepting us with open arms. You know, me
Speaker 7: and Stack we build a g reporting a friendship.
Speaker 8: Over the years.
Speaker 7: He's a huge fight fan and I don't know, seven
Speaker 7: eight months ago he said we got something big coming
Speaker 7: I want you to be a part of and you know,
Speaker 7: I stayed in his DM and texted him too, but
Speaker 7: I had to be patient. You know, we've been with
Speaker 7: the Zone for seven years now, also call fights on overtime.
Speaker 7: We were on Serious XM, so we've been in a
Speaker 7: boxing space over a decade and it's great to you know,
Speaker 7: work with these big networks and travel the world. But
Speaker 7: we've always had a dream to partner up with a
Speaker 7: platform that saw us also as partners and have ownership
Speaker 7: in our brand as well. And there's no better platform
Speaker 7: than all of Smoke now. And I'll just say to you, guys,
Speaker 7: I'm not blowing smoke. You and Stack, you guys inspired
Speaker 7: me in this space. You revolutionize podcasting like you guys
Speaker 7: are the pioneers pretty much in tapping into a sport
Speaker 7: but also bringing the culture side of it that didn't
Speaker 7: really exist in boxing. So something in that Barack and
Speaker 7: our pride ourselves and being that bridge from the casual
Speaker 7: fan to the hardcore fan.
Speaker 2: Bro I want, I want to say welcome to the
Speaker 2: family as well. I know we've been talking about it
Speaker 2: a while and you talk. You know, you gave us
Speaker 2: our props as far as you know where we are
Speaker 2: in the podcast base and what we built with the
Speaker 2: production company. But I want to give you a pop too,
Speaker 2: because you're a big reason why I'm a big fan,
Speaker 2: why I'm a big fan of boxing, why I start
Speaker 2: educating myself for boxing A lot A lot of times
Speaker 2: we watch the sport and we hear a lot of
Speaker 2: people talk, but it's not people that we can relate to.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We we we talk the
Speaker 3: same lingo.
Speaker 2: You know, we understand that the same words and the
Speaker 2: same phrases to get people to understand the real inside
Speaker 2: of boxing and being a and being a fan. In
Speaker 2: order to understand it, you have to have somebody you
Speaker 2: can correlate with, you can relate with so uh and
Speaker 2: and that and that's what y'all do for me. Bro,
Speaker 2: you and y'all and other people shout out the show
Speaker 2: biz too.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'll watch all y'all because y'all been in the game
Speaker 2: longer than me. But I got this. This is the
Speaker 2: this is the one of This is the main question.
Speaker 3: I have for you.
Speaker 2: How do y'all feel about Benefitez and uh morell fight
Speaker 2: coming up?
Speaker 1: Before you answer? You know, always late never, I mean
Speaker 1: better late than never. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: Is he officially here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Someone says you had the jack in the back, the
Speaker 1: jack and the box WiFi. They found out and came
Speaker 1: and had they called the tow truck because you was
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of Jack in the box trying.
Speaker 6: To step the wi fi.
Speaker 9: Well, listen, why do you think I'm in the room now?
Speaker 9: I need this deal so I can step.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's get it now. But welcome, obviously the
Speaker 1: other half Barrock ring Champs. What you missed? Uh, welcome
Speaker 1: to the family, my brother. We appreciate you, guys. Man,
Speaker 1: we're just singing your guys' praises. But Jack, go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about the upcoming fight?
Speaker 8: I'll say this you know, David Morrell.
Speaker 7: I've always been a fan, even though he doesn't have
Speaker 7: a lot of fights, and you know, the mainstream fans
Speaker 7: might not know who he is, but he's a real
Speaker 7: threat to David Benavidez. He's one of the guys that
Speaker 7: I was saying when people were saying Canell needs to
Speaker 7: fight Benavitez.
Speaker 8: Benavidez, I said, hold.
Speaker 7: Up, there's another guy that's his size in that division.
Speaker 7: You know that that I like to see him mix
Speaker 7: it up with first. Now, don't get me wrong, Yes,
Speaker 7: Cuban fighter salth Paul, super scaled, he can hit hard.
Speaker 7: I like Benavitez. I think obviously we all know he's
Speaker 7: a phenomenal fighter, you know, stack you spend some time
Speaker 7: with him.
Speaker 8: Hell of a guy, hell of a talent.
Speaker 7: But I think this fight is gonna be a lot
Speaker 7: more interesting than most people think in terms of the
Speaker 7: shot that Morell has on Benavidez.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think the whole Benevide's whole career, he's always
Speaker 9: been the bigger guy, you know, and then he steps
Speaker 9: up to one seventy five for vos Dick. That fight
Speaker 9: didn't go didn't look like all the other fights he had.
Speaker 9: When he's knocking people out, he's hurting him, he's punishing them.
Speaker 9: So this is gonna be that test. Morell is his size,
Speaker 9: he's big. He moved up to one seventy five. They
Speaker 9: both coming off fights where they didn't look too spectacular.
Speaker 9: But outside of that, these guys are good fights. Morell
Speaker 9: just for the guy named hot Rod, he he's a
Speaker 9: he's a problem, you know what I mean. He moves
Speaker 9: too much, he's hurky, jerky. He's hard to look good
Speaker 9: with guys like that. So I think he's better than
Speaker 9: what he looked at night. I think Morell is a
Speaker 9: serious problem. If Benavidez could beat Morell, he's the goods.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to talk about weight draining right now.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all in the air by Budd and
Speaker 2: Canelo fighting. We've seen we talked about Earth and I'm like,
Speaker 2: if you are that type, that one of the top fighters,
Speaker 2: and you have the opportunity to throw away drank, await
Speaker 2: a rehydration clause in, then I think you I think
Speaker 2: you should do it at certain times. Because I gave
Speaker 2: him an example. Ryan Garcia came into the Devin Handy
Speaker 2: fight not worrying about the money, not worrying about the belt.
Speaker 2: He just wanted to knock him out and win the fight,
Speaker 2: So that's why he didn't care about the way or not.
Speaker 1: He wanted to come in.
Speaker 3: Bigger on purpose.
Speaker 2: Do y'all think that the rehydration clause should be implemented
Speaker 2: by guys? We have the power to implement it.
Speaker 8: That's a great points as a team.
Speaker 7: And whether you're the lawyer, the advisor, the manager, your
Speaker 7: job is to create the best situation for your fighter, right,
Speaker 7: So if the opposite team is willing to accept those clauses,
Speaker 7: then power to you and your team to give you
Speaker 7: a bit, you know.
Speaker 8: An advantage. This sport is brutal, no question about it,
Speaker 8: and the fans might might not like it.
Speaker 7: But if you're on the other side of that and
Speaker 7: you feel like this is gonna put your fighter at
Speaker 7: risk where he won't be healthy, he won't be one
Speaker 7: hundred percent, then don't accept the clause.
Speaker 8: But if you accept it, you got to live with that.
Speaker 8: And I agree with you for stack.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna say, I understand your point, but I come
Speaker 9: from like I remember one time I was having a
Speaker 9: fight in the street and I threw a kick.
Speaker 4: Now I'm a martial artist, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: I threw a kick and I was like thirteen years old,
Speaker 9: and everybody was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh man, you cheat him, bro. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was like, you cheating, bro, I can't do I
Speaker 1: can't win what you mean?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, what, I
Speaker 4: kicked his head?
Speaker 1: Fot.
Speaker 4: It was like ya, yo, No, I'm from that cloth
Speaker 4: where the streets they talk.
Speaker 9: The streets be talking, and they be like, nah, you
Speaker 9: can't do none of that stuff. So if you want
Speaker 9: to submit your legacy and you got a rehydration clause,
Speaker 9: it ain't gonna go right over the fans.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: So I really don't like this.
Speaker 1: I ain't at that I feel that.
Speaker 7: I just think the problem in the sport is that
Speaker 7: fighters want to be they want to be as big
Speaker 7: as possible in a certain weight class, which is why
Speaker 7: back in the day they used to weigh in the
Speaker 7: same day early in the day.
Speaker 8: This way you don't have it. You don't have an.
Speaker 7: Opportunity in too much room to be as as dry
Speaker 7: as possible in the weigh and then on fighting out
Speaker 7: you want to gain twenty five pounds and have a
Speaker 7: serious advantage against your opponents.
Speaker 8: So I don't know. I don't agree with Barakos.
Speaker 9: So at the same time, then you fighting your weight
Speaker 9: class and go down. I'm not too mad at Tank
Speaker 9: when Tank do it, because Tank.
Speaker 4: Is so small. Yeah, I mean, and he's fighting these
Speaker 4: big guys. But at the end of the day, then
Speaker 4: don't fight these big guys then.
Speaker 3: So do we have So does this fight happen with
Speaker 3: Canelo and Bud?
Speaker 8: It looks like yes.
Speaker 4: I think when Turkey get involved.
Speaker 7: That all his excellency wants that fight. Bud wants to fight.
Speaker 7: Canelo is just in London with those guys, So it
Speaker 7: looks like it's gonna happen. We don't know if it's
Speaker 7: gonna happen in May or September, but to my understanding
Speaker 7: and my sources, the fight will happen.
Speaker 3: I got two more questions. I got two more questions
Speaker 3: footing figure roll too.
Speaker 4: Oh man, See, that's that's a good one. Once you
Speaker 4: see the guy who already won, you kind of.
Speaker 3: Got going with and waight this the heavier fight this time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And that means is they probably both more comfortable,
Speaker 9: especially figure Road. I would say, especially figure Road because
Speaker 9: he seems like a bigger guy, you know, But I
Speaker 9: think skills pay the bills, so I guess I'd go
Speaker 9: with Folk.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with a rock on that. I think. I
Speaker 8: think Fulton is a talented fighter.
Speaker 4: Plus he got a chip on his shoulder right now,
Speaker 4: see that, right?
Speaker 3: He mad?
Speaker 2: He ain't I interview? Yeah, he say no more cool boy, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm back to school though.
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, I wear school. I like him. I'm going
Speaker 8: with him for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, Tank, we gotta talk about Tank coming up?
Speaker 7: Okay, Look, Tank is obviously he's a heavy favorite in
Speaker 7: this fight for a reason.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. Tank is one of the
Speaker 8: best fighters in the world, no question about it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: Skill Wise, he's in the top five, maybe been top
Speaker 7: three in the sport.
Speaker 8: He's that explosive, right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: But he's yet to have that.
Speaker 7: Mark Key Marquis victory outside of when he won a
Speaker 7: title out eight years old against but Drasa.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying Tank can't beat the big names. I'm
Speaker 8: saying he.
Speaker 7: Hasn't been in there with him yet, right, And no
Speaker 7: disrespect to a Lamont wrote you who obviously is a
Speaker 7: credible an opponent. Well, yeah he does, he does. I
Speaker 7: just don't think he's quick enough to deal with somebody
Speaker 7: explosive as Tank, and I think Tank is just too talented,
Speaker 7: So I gotta go with Tank. You know, I thought
Speaker 7: you were asked me about Tank and chicor or something
Speaker 7: to fight down the line.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we get to that.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we get to that. How do we get to that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 9: I feel like Roach is a is a good opponent,
Speaker 9: But when you look at track records, he already took
Speaker 9: a loss to somebody like Jamel Herry. And then you
Speaker 9: look at Tank, Tank is like he barely had close fights.
Speaker 4: He had a close.
Speaker 9: Fight with with with one fighter and that was Pitt Bull,
Speaker 9: only because he hurt his hand in the tenth round,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's kind of hard to go against Tank.
Speaker 9: He's so explosive, he's so talented, and at the end
Speaker 9: of the day, Tank is one of the very very
Speaker 9: few in boxing, probably in the history of boxing, that
Speaker 9: you don't really have the great names on your resume,
Speaker 9: but we still see that you're great. That don't happen much.
Speaker 9: Maybe it happened to Aero Spence early. Certain guys that
Speaker 9: happened too early, but hardly ever. And Tank is that
Speaker 9: guy who just seems like he's very well.
Speaker 1: Before we get you guys out of here, you guys
Speaker 1: recently sat down with Jake Paul. Let's take a look
Speaker 1: at that clip.
Speaker 10: There was four conversations happening at a time with different opponents.
Speaker 10: It was you know, Tommy, Mike Tyson, and so can.
Speaker 1: We hear the other two?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 8: I don't know, come on, give us something, Come on,
Speaker 8: but did you see what was that?
Speaker 4: You serious?
Speaker 8: Only?
Speaker 4: And I talked to them both if it was going
Speaker 4: to be a straight up, true real fight, right, you
Speaker 4: would really fight your brother in a real that was
Speaker 4: that was a moment.
Speaker 10: Well this is a a little bit, but it's because
Speaker 10: that was because I was screaming.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 10: But I'm okay with fighting my brother because I wouldn't
Speaker 10: have to be the one that uh.
Speaker 4: Dealt with losing.
Speaker 10: So if no, seriously so like emotionally, if that would
Speaker 10: scar him, then he shouldn't do it. But if he's
Speaker 10: gonna sign up, I don't have to be the one
Speaker 10: to lose. And Bro it's like it's me and Mike
Speaker 10: hug after me and Anderson Silva like bro, But you
Speaker 10: would say.
Speaker 8: It's different sport if you used to beat you up
Speaker 8: when you was a kid.
Speaker 10: Probably, which also plays in there.
Speaker 1: So you guys got a chance to sit down and
Speaker 1: and talk to Jake, and so the fight with his
Speaker 1: brother was it was a real possibility.
Speaker 7: Huh yeah, yeah, which was surprising to me because coming
Speaker 7: from being an amateur fighting myself till I was seventy
Speaker 7: five fights, my brother and I were one year apart,
Speaker 7: and I would never ever fight my brother. You know,
Speaker 7: he's smaller than me.
Speaker 8: I used to I used to spar with him, Don't
Speaker 8: get me wrong. I sparred with him, but never would
Speaker 8: fight him. So, uh, that was odd. But they have
Speaker 8: a different type of relatelationship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I don't know if that fight would have done the
Speaker 7: same amount of numbers like that Mike Tyson did. But
Speaker 7: you know, I've always been in support of Jake because
Speaker 7: he's a guy that didn't really have to go into
Speaker 7: this space as sport, as a brutal sport. He's taking
Speaker 7: risks just like everybody else's steps in that ring and
Speaker 7: training just as hard as a professional fighters, so I
Speaker 7: no longer well I've never called him a YouTube I
Speaker 7: call him a professional fighter that just so happened to
Speaker 7: start late in his career, and it's taking a sport serious.
Speaker 7: So I'm not one of those guys that those any
Speaker 7: shade as well. I like what he's doing. I respect
Speaker 7: what he's doing. I definitely wouldn't support him fighting his brother.
Speaker 9: I look at it like I got five brothers. I
Speaker 9: would never lay a hand on any one of my brothers.
Speaker 9: Well for twenty ms, they might jump me, they might
Speaker 9: jump me. I gotta fight on five, you know what
Speaker 9: I mean? Like, so, I feel what you're saying. I
Speaker 9: understand you and Shmi. You know, you guys grew up
Speaker 9: in Gleasies gym together. Y'all not fighting. Y'all love each other.
Speaker 9: But if it was twenty ms behind that ticket, I
Speaker 9: think y'all would fight, y'all at each other, be like, yo,
Speaker 9: let's do this for our family, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9: And I think that was at one time that was
Speaker 9: Jake Paul's end Gold like we so big, Logan's big,
Speaker 9: I'm big.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but you told my guys, But you told
Speaker 7: my guys that are getting money around brother.
Speaker 8: You told my guys that are getting me and my
Speaker 8: brother are broke. So maybe that said.
Speaker 7: Somebody to consider that these dudes already been getting money.
Speaker 4: But when you get money, you just want money. You know,
Speaker 4: I buy a million dollar house now.
Speaker 8: No doubt. Would you guys fight any of your brothers,
Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm not sure if you guys have siblings.
Speaker 2: But I lost both of my brothers. Man, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: I wouldn't fight neither one of them.
Speaker 1: We never had a fight.
Speaker 2: We had arguments, a little wrestling around the house growing up,
Speaker 2: but throwing punches, nah.
Speaker 3: Wen. We held our animosity for other people.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, I held smoke for
Speaker 1: others smoking a fan. But you guys can catch that
Speaker 1: full episode. Jake Paul and Nikkeisa dropped Wednesday on All
Speaker 1: the Smoke Fight YouTube. Man, welcome to the family again.
Speaker 1: Congrats on you guys success. We're excited to have you
Speaker 1: guys experience and knowledge under the umbrella and we can't
Speaker 1: wait to see you guys.
Speaker 7: Man, I appreciate it. I just want to thank thank
Speaker 7: you guys too for accepting us. Thanks to Brian Daily
Speaker 7: and even Dre being a part of the team and
Speaker 7: all of the staff at atf Man, I'm excited to
Speaker 7: be a part of the family and looking forward to
Speaker 7: us all working together.
Speaker 1: Brock. Now that you're official, Man, I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 1: we get your WiFi package out there.
Speaker 4: Oh Man, that's that's all I need.
Speaker 1: It's over once I get all right, man, And we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Man, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3: I see you have to fight, bro absolutely, So that's
Speaker 3: a wrap.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys. Make sure you check out Unplugged
Speaker 1: on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the DraftKings Network. Recently,
Speaker 1: our brother andre Ward sat down with David Benavidez. Take
Speaker 1: a look at the clip.
Speaker 11: How do you envision this fight playing out February first, This.
Speaker 12: Is gonna be the best fight of my career so far,
Speaker 12: the best performance, because you know, you know, when you
Speaker 12: get to them, you get them camps where sometimes stuff
Speaker 12: ain't good, But then you get the camps where physically, emotionally,
Speaker 12: mentally you're getting your.
Speaker 6: Rounds in, you're getting the runs in.
Speaker 12: You've been training for like three and a half months
Speaker 12: and everything is just flowing good. And even when you
Speaker 12: when you vision stuff in your head, it's looking amazing.
Speaker 6: So for me this fight, I'm gonna go in there.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna put on a great performance and I'm definitely
Speaker 12: gonna I'm going in there to try to knock David Morale,
Speaker 12: which if if I get it or not, I don't know,
Speaker 12: but I'm definitely gonna beat David Morrol.
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna be in there trying to hurt him
Speaker 6: every single round.
Speaker 11: You think he's gonna bang with you, or you think
Speaker 11: he's gonna try to move and be.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be.
Speaker 12: He's definitely gonna try to I think he's gonna move around.
Speaker 12: First he's in a he's in a box, and then
Speaker 12: I might, you know, entice him to a firefight, you know.
Speaker 12: But if it's for me to hunt him down, me
Speaker 12: to cut the distance, me to counter while he's trying
Speaker 12: to counter me, I'm one hundred percent ready for everything.
Speaker 11: You take care of your business February first. You got
Speaker 11: better be a B ball rematch. Are your sights are
Speaker 11: set on the winner?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 11: That's why you have to like in the lighthavelay division, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 11: who would you rather fight?
Speaker 12: I sparred before I spared him a lot of times,
Speaker 12: so I know him. I know him personally, I know
Speaker 12: him more as a style. But I feel like both
Speaker 12: those men I had to be at one hundred and
Speaker 12: ten percent because both of them, you know, they're they're
Speaker 12: the top, there's elite, they're the Oloper echelon fighters.
Speaker 6: So I don't know I'd beat both of.
Speaker 8: Them, but but you definitely want I.
Speaker 6: Want either one of them. Yeah,