1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition the Club Sha Shay. I 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: am your hole. Shannon Sharp, also the proprietory of Club 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Sha Shay, the guy that stopped by the bar today 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: to have a drink with me, is two time champion, 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: NBA Champion, eleven time All Star, and Mister Basketball in 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: the State of Texas in two thousand and two, Chris 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Bosh all my life, grinding all my life, Sacon fights, 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: custle pack price, one slice, one got the swath all 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life, 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: and running all my life, Sacon fights, custle bag price, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: one slice got the dice, sware all my life. I've 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: been grinding in all my life. Chris, how are you 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: doing today? Bro? I'm good man. That's a that's a 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: good one. You hit me with a throwback on that one. Well, 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna take off in a different direction. Normally, when 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: I talked to athletes, we started talking about their athletic career. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: But we're gonna talk about your music career that you 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: started after you finish with the NBA. You're producing music. 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: What made you go into music after your NBA career? Well, 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, first off, like I kind of got It 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: felt like I got thrown out of a car going 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: two hundred miles an hour. I was playing basketball. I 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: felt that I was gonna get that second win in 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: my prime into my twilight years, like most of your heroes, 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: like you see time and time again, every year, it 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: didn't happen, and I just kind of found myself trying 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, like what am I gonna do? 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I never really thought about that. It was always basketball, 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people say. And then it was funny 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: because everybody was like, oh, Chris, you're smart, you you 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: know stuff, and you'll be fine. And it's like, I 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: don't know what I want to do. You guys have 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: a mistaken In order to even do what I'm doing, 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I had to give my whole life to this thing. 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: So there was never anything else. You know, you make 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: grades so you can play basketball, you know. So I 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: just kind of I found myself trying to search for something, 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: and manny thing I knew. I had a guitar in 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: my hand. I'm making new friends, talking about different things 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: and and aspiring to do different things, and and you know, 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: it was just all a lot of passion, a lot 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: of love. So That's how I got there, and I'm 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: start meeting some great people along the way. So you're 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: on the you're producing or so you're producing music, you're 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: writing music. Are you gonna actually do Are you gonna 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: actually be in front of the microphone? No, sir, No sir. 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: You know, I leave that to the pros. I just 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed the collaborative effort that it takes, really, like, you know, 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: seeing songwriting. I was blessed to see songwriting at the 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: professional level. I was pretty much like the kid going 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: to a pro game and seeing a pro game get played. 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: And I only did I get to see it, but 53 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, yo, kid, have a shot, you know. 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: And I ended up getting a placement really quick with Gucci, 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Gucci Maine and a good friend of mine, Rico Love, 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: and it just happened, you know. And and I said, man, 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: if I if I don't continue going down this path, 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm a fool. So that was that was like four 59 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: years ago. So I'm I've been, you know, steady working, 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: putting that time into something else. You you mentioned Gucci 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: Maine and you did a song with him in twenty seventeen, right, 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: you did? You did? You did a collab or something 63 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: with him. So yeah, So Rico and I wrote a 64 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: song together. And you know, you write music all the time, 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: you just kind of get into the flow. It's almost 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: like practice. Like I equate everything to basketball now, you know. 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: So it's a metaphor for me. So it's like, all right, 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym. Okay, I'm gonna hit the weights. Okay, 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: let's go get some shots up. All right, let's you know, 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: just making sure you get to work in if you 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: want to accomplish your goals. And that just came through. 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Rico is a good friend of mine. We're just hanging out. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: I played music for him, he writes to it, and 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: it ended up getting on Gucci's album Mister Davis back 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen or early twenty eighteen, and so that 76 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: was kind of that was kind of the hook for me, 77 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, just to be like, all right, that's that thing, 78 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's go that way regardless of you know, 79 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it's the feeling. It's knowing the spirit is there 80 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and following that. You know. So have you all have 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you always been musically inclined? I'd like to say so. 82 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: My My family is a very musical family. I have 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: cousins that are classically trained. My father can sing. We 84 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: we always had to like join choir back in the 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: day at church and stuff like that, you know, So 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: it was it was more so, uh, just something you're 87 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: always around and I always enjoy in music. I have friends, 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Like I continuously was trying to make beats, like when 89 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: I was in high school. Then I think when I 90 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: was in the league, I start trying to like early, early, 91 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I start trying to learn to play the piano. It 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: was these incomplete you know, this other world that keeps 93 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: calling you that you never go to, and it becomes 94 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: when you're not You're good at basketball, so you can 95 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: fit that down for a month or two, pick right 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: back up and be good at it. But when you're 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: not good at something, you have to fully devote all 98 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: of your time, all of your energy, of your effort 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: in order to become good at it. So if you're 100 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: trying to learn to play the piano and you do 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: it in four or five month increments, that's not gonna work. 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Not gonna work, and you have to get over yourself 103 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: being bad. I mean right, yeah, you know, it's just 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: a part of the process. That's been one of the 105 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: things that I've really learned because people will you know, 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I only know that because I started playing, you know, 107 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: my music for people, and not that it was bad, 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: but they were looking at me like, oh, I thought 109 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: it was gonna be whack. Man, I thought it was 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: just gonna be okay, you all right? Yeah? Right, And 111 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: I said, okay, So usually okay, you have to continue 112 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: to you know, just like anything, homework on your craft, home, 113 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: your craft. Just keep going, keep doing stuff, and it'll turn. Man. 114 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's just how I believe. How hard was 115 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: it because like you said, you know, you have to 116 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: get over the fact that you're not good at it. 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: But you were always good at basketball. So basically, so 118 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: everything that you've really ever done, you've been really good 119 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: at it. And so now here you are starting from 120 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: the bottom, and you know, you're not one of these 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: top upper echelon songwriters or producers and you're basically starting 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: from scratch. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a crazy thing, Shannon. 123 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you you feel immortal for so long, yes, 124 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yes, I mean, boys, so 125 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: long you just and then all of a sudden, like 126 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: all right, cool. You're taking the kids to school, You're 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: packing lunches. You know, you have to pick up new skills. 128 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm in the house like a few years ago. When 129 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I was first retired, I had to learn how to 130 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: fix everything. I know. That just goes into being a dad. 131 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Like my dad fix it And I'm just like you. 132 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: I got brought back into my skin so quickly, you know, 133 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: So you have to go back to the work. That's 134 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: the thing. That's the only thing that I remember, regardless 135 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: of what happened in the NBA and in my career, 136 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I put the work in. You know. I know that 137 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: I was, you know, in the gym all the time. 138 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: So if I want to be good at something or 139 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: if I want something to happen, you gotta put your 140 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: time in. And yeah, but when when I when I 141 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: think of athletes, I think of athletes, let's just say 142 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: a basket in your case, a basketball player. Okay, he's 143 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: gonna stay close to the game. He's either want to 144 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: he wants to be Scott, he wants to be a 145 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: player personnel. He wants to be a general manager. He 146 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: wants to be a coach. He wants to own the team. 147 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: You went totally away from basketball. This is as far 148 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: as you can get from basketball if you possibly can imagine. Yeah, 149 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: it is, and you know, I know basketball will be there, 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: but that kind of the music, that that's kind of 151 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: what drew me towards it because it was so crazy 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: and like I say, it was just a field. Man. 153 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: I can't even describe it. It's like, yeah, I should 154 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: be doing that, and and I told myself I was 155 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: gonna follow my heart, so you know, to be honest 156 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: with you, that's kind of what gave it, you know, 157 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: more allure because the game is there. I still watch 158 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: every game I watch, I know, the Salary Cat, the CBA, 159 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: I watched the guys, you know, but this is just 160 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: it offered me a way to get in touch, you know, 161 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: more with myself and kind of find out other things 162 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: that I like, I know, we hooped right whoa man, 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: We did it. My dad. We took me to every practice, 164 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours of it, you know, and 165 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: it will continue one day. But you know, right now, 166 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: I just want to really really pursue this endeavor and 167 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: it's quite it's it's a lot, man, you have to 168 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: learn a lot. It's more than just creatively doing things 169 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: you have to as you know, you know how it 170 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: is when you know you're taking those meeting meetings with 171 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the accountants and the agents and the managers and the lawyers, 172 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: all those things fall into place too. What is it 173 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: about basketball players? Probably more so than any other athlete? 174 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: In music? You get Dame, you get Dame Lillard, Dame Dollar, 175 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: you get him on Shrumpfort, you get Shot, you get 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: Aaron Gore, and you get metal world peace. Even Allan 177 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: Iverson tried to do something with the rap Coobe tried 178 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: to risk his soul? What is it about basketball players 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: in the music industry? Man? You know, that's a really 180 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: good question. I think I think, for one, there's a 181 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: lot of idle time. So when you're going on those 182 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: bus rides, there's a lot of bus rides, there's a 183 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of practice. It's a lot of downtime with your teammates. 184 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: If you're out of town for a road trip. You know, 185 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: if you're in summer league, you're gonna be with your 186 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: boys and there's gonna be a hotel room and it's 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: the summer and you guys are hanging out, and I mean, 188 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: rap was just so influential. I mean I remember from 189 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: the minute I was listening to music, rap was everywhere, 190 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, so it had a huge influence on our life. 191 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: And like, to be honest with you, you don't see 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: you didn't see any black men at that time successful 193 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: and much else. You know. So it's it's like, you know, 194 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately in those times, which is much better now, but 195 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: in those times, yeah, you I mean they write rhymes 196 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: about it, but you know, you either play basketball or 197 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you were a musician, rapper or something that people you know, 198 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: wanted to aspire to. And to be quite frank, it 199 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: was cool. I mean the people that you wanted to be, 200 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: like Tupac. Everybody wanted to be Tupac. And if you 201 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: look at it, it's and also the flip side. You 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: look at the rappers, you look at the entertainments, You 203 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: look at Jay Cole, you look at you Change, you 204 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: look at the game Nelly. You look at all these 205 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: guys and they you know, yeah, they love football, but 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: if there's something about the Lord of basketball that attracts 207 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: them and vice versa, yeah, I think football. Football is 208 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: like one of those things you find out pretty quick 209 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: if you can or can't do it, you know what 210 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Like you find out real quick man basketball. 211 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: You know, you can talk noise, you can sit up there, 212 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: you can shoot at the park, you can play money 213 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: if you want to. You know, you have some sort 214 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: of connection with it, and it's you know, it's it's 215 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: a little closer. You know. Even when we were in 216 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: high school and in college, the guys would come to 217 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: the games, you know, coming to the games where it 218 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: were a good time and and it kind of really 219 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: starts that connection. And you know a lot of people playball, 220 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: like I know J Cole and two Change for sure, 221 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: they played u you know at a high level of basketball, 222 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: so they understanding it's a good feeling, you know, you 223 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: know hooping, you do that with your friends. Those are 224 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: summer days. It's a lot of memories that go with that. 225 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: And Master p almost almost made a basketball man p Man. 226 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: You know the legend guys, guys who are always playing 227 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just ingrains so deep into the culture. 228 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: You know that people were doing that really before. I mean, 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I know my dad we would go with friends and 230 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, playing pick up the same guys or musicians 231 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: or something like that. The same dudes who around We 232 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: all if you play ball, go play pick up at 233 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: the park. You know you're gonna if you want to 234 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: find a game, you'll find a game. You're even play 235 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: with your friends. You know, it's just one of those 236 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: social things too. So who are some of your obviously 237 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: you if you're doing raps, So who are some of 238 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: your favorite some of your favorite artists, some of your 239 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: favorite rappers? Are are you not necessarily are you writing 240 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: for some of not just rap? Are you writing for 241 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: R and B? Are you writing for other genres? Or? Yeah, 242 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: we do it all. We do it all. You know, 243 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: we don't discriminate. Okay, Yeah, I mean, you know, music 244 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: is music I grew up on. I mean even you 245 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: know country music. I love country music. I love pop music, 246 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: R and B. You know, Oh, I mean really everything, 247 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: seventy soul. It's just so many genres of music. I 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: never really try to limit myself creatively, and especially now 249 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: with the way things are going, you kind of don't 250 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: want to. You don't want to put a cap on 251 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: yourself or what you could do. You know, I've worked 252 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: with some with some great artists and songwriters, and the 253 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: things that you get when you cross pollinate work with 254 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: people you you never think you've worked with. The things 255 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: that you get are kind of brand new. So that's 256 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: kind of one of the things I love doing, and 257 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: I never try to put a cap on on what 258 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: it is. Do you know we rap quite a bit? Yes, 259 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: we do, you know the artists that I work with, 260 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: but we always challenge ourself to make timeless music that 261 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: people want to listen to ten twenty years from now. Right, 262 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: what what are some of the artists that you listened 263 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: to before the game? For me, I couldn't listen to 264 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: rap because it got me too amped up, and so 265 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: I hadn't Actually, I had to listen to the opposite. 266 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: I needed something to settle me down because I'm hot, 267 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: strong to begin with, and so I was almost about 268 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: to pass out before the kickoff? Where where you listen 269 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: to I'm eager to listen to Sean Day, Maxwell, Michelle 270 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: and Cello, you know something like that. I needed to 271 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: slow it all the way back, man, I was, you're 272 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: ready to go? Huh man Scott bringing down just enough 273 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: to be like, all right, let's do it. Yeah, listen 274 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: to two Pocket Biggie was having me about to pass 275 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: out before the kickoff? Hey man, you gotta find That's 276 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: what I love about it, you know, I was. I 277 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: was kind of like that. It's funny like people would 278 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: always listen what do you listen to before a game? 279 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: It kind of goes in ways. I kind of get 280 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: amped up, you know, in the regular season, and you 281 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta find that thing. Playoffs. Yeah, I need 282 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: to be calmed down and I need to think about 283 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. So I would listen to a lot 284 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: of classical music, okay, you know, because it's it's almost like, okay, 285 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: two hours before tip off, I don't want to be 286 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: talking to nobody. I kind of want to get in 287 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: my head and just think about what's about to happen 288 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: so that I can do my job correctly. You know. Yeah, 289 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: getting amped up that got that was like a that 290 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: was a young guys thing. Yeah, but with Chris, I 291 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: can understand you needed to get amped up because you're 292 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: playing eighty two games. You playing every other night or 293 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: every set night. So after a while, I'm only playing 294 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: once a week and I know somebody trying to you know, 295 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm already pumped up because I know somebody trying to 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: tear my head off. For sure. It's physical. It is physical. 297 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine, man, I couldn't imagine. I have so 298 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: much respect for football, man, I don't know how you 299 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: guys do it. Man, So you were all so did 300 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: you Were you always the tallest kid in school? Or 301 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: did you grow It was a little bit of both. 302 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: So I was always the tallest kid, and then I 303 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of leveled off around seventh eighth grade. Okay, I 304 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: was pretty tall, but not the tallest, right, not abnormally 305 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: tall right. Then between ninth and eleventh grade, I probably grew, 306 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: man about ten inches, what yeah, about nine ten inches 307 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: in three years, and I went from you know, okay, 308 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: basketball player, like yo, this kid might be something. I 309 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: played a couple of games on varsity, even in my 310 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: freshman year too. You know, man, he's a he's a prospect. 311 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: So it happened pretty quickly. Okay, So you played against 312 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: perk Kendrick Perkins in high school. Your team was forty 313 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: and old. How many did you drop on perk? H? Man? 314 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: About twenty if I'm not mistaken, I had twenty three points. 315 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: Twenty three points, about twelve or thirteen rebounds, few blocks. 316 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Because you guys, you guys went forty and know that year, 317 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: and you were you you were the number one team 318 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: in the country, right, yeah, Yeah, it was like it 319 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: was like the hood version of Friday Night Lights to 320 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: be switchy. Man. It was we were not losing that game. 321 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: You know, it was a really magical run. That was 322 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: like that that was I mean, you know, I talked 323 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: about it all the time with people I had a 324 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: I was we were very blessed to have a magical 325 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: run in my high school uh senior year. You know, 326 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: we we were a public school that got ranked number 327 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: one in the country. Uh you know one they said, 328 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: they called it the mythical national Championship. So that was 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: pretty cool. But we were you know, we were from 330 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: South Dallas. Man. We we didn't know much else. We 331 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: were just playing ball. Did you guys, So, did you 332 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: guys have recruits? Were you like this IMG Academy or 333 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Oak Hill? Were you one of those schools? No, sir, 334 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: basically everybody that was on your team actually went to 335 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: that school. You didn't have guys coming in just obviously 336 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: just to play basketball. No, from citywide in a city 337 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: kind of feel kind of, but not on not on 338 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Oak Hill's level. No, No, not in that kind of context. Yeah, 339 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: we were not a privately funded school. This was Dallas 340 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: Independent School District. You can look it up in Lincoln 341 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: High School. You can look it up if you get bored. Obviously, 342 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: at six eleven you win the state. You missed the 343 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: basketball in the state of Texas. So obviously you had 344 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: your pick. You didn't choose the blue blood. You didn't 345 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: choose Carolina. You didn't choose Kentucky, you didn't choose cans. 346 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: You chose Georgia Tech. Why tech Man For one, they 347 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: had an African American head coach, black head coach. I 348 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: was very into that. I was drawn to that. It 349 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, Paul Hewitt, he was running a great program, 350 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: turning the program around. It was very young, it was youthful. 351 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: The blue blood programs were there. It just it just didn't. 352 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: It just didn't. It just didn't attract me in that 353 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of way. And we really had a really great 354 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: class and a lot of guys started getting picked up early. 355 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: I believe North Carolina had three McDonald's, all Americans from 356 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: our class, but they had Raymond Felton, Sean May I'm missing, 357 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: George Williams, and Rashad McCants. I was in two years. 358 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: They had four McDonald's, three from my class. So that 359 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: was gone. Duke has Sheldon Williams, JJ Reddick, Daniel Ewing. 360 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, it just seemed to kind of all be 361 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: uh going uh. You know, two guys that were very 362 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: very good, very early, and they know where they want 363 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: to go. For me, you know what, I had Florida 364 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: and Texas and I just I don't know. I wanted 365 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: to play in the ACC because I felt it get 366 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: it gave me a better chance to make it to 367 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: the league. So like in my mind, I'm like, oh, yeah, 368 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: I'll go to Georgia Tech. Because if I want to 369 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: go to the NBA, the ACC they don't have they 370 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: there's an avoid at THEFORDA. They need to feel I 371 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: can go play there. You know, people later told me said, dude, 372 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: you were gonna play anywhere you went, right, But I didn't. 373 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: I didn't have that awareness of myself at that time. 374 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: So who would be your top five players to come 375 00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: out of State of Texas in high school basketball? Man? 376 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean me, of course. Okay, that boy, you only 377 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: got four more to go. Gotta put big Perk in there. Okay, 378 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: gotta put TJ Ford in there. Oh man, it goes quick. 379 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: I gotta put LJ in there and Rishard Lewis. Wow, Okay, 380 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm missing some people. I know I'm missing somebody, 381 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: but that's those are the biggest Texas. Texas is really 382 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: not known for basketball. You are football mecca, and guys 383 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: football the guys that really run fast in the for sure, 384 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: all day every day. But you know, that was one 385 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: of the best things that happened. I think, well, yeah, 386 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm just not thinking about it too even in my class. 387 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: I know I'll get a lot for that, but I 388 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: gotta put the Will and LaMarcus Altars in there too. Okay, 389 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: but we were playing against each other. You know, those 390 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: are my good friends, and you know it kind of 391 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: not that it was overtaking basketball, but it was like 392 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: in Texas if you were a sports junkie, if you're 393 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: a high school sports junkie, that's like the perfect place 394 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: for you. You follow careers, you get your information in 395 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: the papers, you go and you go see every game 396 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: because a lot of the times, the best football players 397 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: the best basketball player too throughout a team. So you know, 398 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: just the school spirit and just continuing sports just all 399 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: through and then it'll tide you over the track and 400 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: field man. Then you just keep it going all year. 401 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: You're good to go. So you go to Georgia Tech, 402 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: you play in the ACC. What was it like playing 403 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: those teams, because even though you chose not to join them, 404 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: you felt the ACC gave you a better opportunity or 405 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: a better pipeline to the NBA. So that meant you 406 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: had to play well against the Dukes, against the North Carolinas. 407 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: It was very humbling because despite how good I did, 408 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: we were still getting crushed as a team. Just as 409 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: a team, I wanted to win. You know, you want 410 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: to win. You have a you have a certain uh 411 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: fixation on how this season is gonna go, of how 412 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: the school is gonna go. None of that happened for me. 413 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: And you know, we we we you know, had had 414 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: a couple of great moments, but it was just a 415 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: tough year. Adjusting the college was really hard, you know, 416 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: being away from home, going from Dallas to Atlanta. I 417 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: undert it did, but let me tell you, brother, it 418 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: did have it going on. That was not a good thing. 419 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: I didn't have any money in my pocket, and you 420 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: quickly learned how much competition it is for a pretty 421 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: pretty young lady. And you know, in Atlanta. You know, 422 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: it's like, oh damn, you know, I don't have none 423 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: of that stuff, you know what I mean. I was 424 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: striking out left and right. So it was very humbling. 425 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: So when you went to when when you went to Tech, 426 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: did you know that you were like, I'm wanting done, 427 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: or did you think that, you know what, I might 428 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: stay a year, I might stay two years. Or was 429 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: it because the evaluation that you got like I gotta go. 430 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: It was because of the evaluation. I didn't know until 431 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: later in the season, around the time about February, late February. 432 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: That's when I was aware, because people tell you being 433 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, people gonna tell you, you know. So I 434 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: was just keeping my head down and working right, you know, 435 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: people start finding me and telling me that information, and 436 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: my intent was to do two years. In my head, 437 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: I said, okay too, and I'm gonna be man, I 438 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: can have a shot. And it was kind of it 439 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: was hard to take because I honestly, I wasn't ready 440 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: to hear that. You know, I'm just man, We're losing 441 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: and we not what are we doing wrong? And I 442 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: have to get better and I'm thinking about the things 443 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: to do to get better and then you know, people 444 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: were telling me like, well, yeah, you can go number five. 445 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: I remember that and number five, and I was just 446 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: I didn't understand, you know, nah nah, not yet. It's 447 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: like nah, because that meant you had to go I 448 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: know what that means. I'm like, I'm just now starting 449 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: to get used to Atlanta and college looking good. You don't, oh, man, 450 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the sun was shining changed up. Man, It's just you know, 451 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: that stink of the season was off. Yeah, it's just 452 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: next year we were Brent, which the guys went to 453 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: the final, they competed for a national championship. We were 454 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: looking around and saying, man, we might be we might 455 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: be all right. But you know, it just it just 456 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: came up and it was quicker than I anticipated. The 457 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: two thousand and three draft, Lebron was regarded as universally 458 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: He's going number one. Did you think you Carmelo Anthony's 459 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: in that draft? Dark Darko Milichick is in that draft 460 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: in d Wait though the most the high profile. Did 461 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: you think you had a chance to move up to 462 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: maybe number two, number three? I thought I could move 463 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: up to number two. I wanted to play in Detroit 464 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: because I have I have family in Detroit, Okay, And 465 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, you're young, you don't know nothing. 466 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, they're taking dark Old, maybe I 467 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: get if I work out for him. So I actually 468 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: worked out for him, but they were taking dark Oh 469 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: was a grown man at that time. They were. They 470 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: were taking one through three. Pretty much was solidified. I 471 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: didn't even I think I worked out for Denver, but 472 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: that was pretty evident that they were gonna take Carmelo. 473 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: I played Carmelo that year in college. They beat the 474 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: crap out of us. They were pretty good, man. But 475 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, with with Lebron and Dwayne not not Lebron 476 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: and Carmelo, I had never seen basketball players like that, 477 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: so you knew they were going really and with Dwayne, 478 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: nobody really knew. I didn't even hear of him until, 479 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: you know, you hear a couple of things. I didn't 480 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: really just like, no, no, until that Kentucky game at 481 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: Me had with the triple double four. Yeah, and it's like, oh, okay, 482 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: but everybody thought he was gonna be lower mid and Miami. 483 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Miami worked them mount and they knew. But you know, 484 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: after after after three was pretty much kind of like 485 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: the question mark at the time. So so you didn't 486 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: play any of these guys au ball, you play, you 487 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: didn't go against Lebron? You yeah, Lebron actually, Uh it 488 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: was ABCD camp in two thousand and one and too 489 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: next New Jersey. He was, he was, he was the 490 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: first team, well the first guy I played again. So 491 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: it's kind of like they take three hundred kids from 492 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: all over the country, right and divide him in the teams, right, 493 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: And you just played like two games a day for 494 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: a week. And the first game we played was Lebron 495 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: And I remember Washington play like, yo, who is this guy? Oh, 496 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: this is Lebron? Okay, I've heard it. Okay, I've heard 497 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: this guy. Haven't heard his name, you know, I have 498 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: not heard his name since. And then like we played 499 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: each other a couple more times uh that year. Yeah, 500 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: so yeah, we played each other. That was. And then 501 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: I played with Mellow actually at USA Basketball and Venezola 502 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and two. So watching Lebron played then, 503 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: did you know he would turn out to beat this 504 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: or he even better than you thought? He would be 505 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: definitely better than you thought it would be. But like 506 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: when when you know when your kids, right, this is 507 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: you're just a it's a friend, right, you know, it's 508 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: like yeh man, what's yeah. You were at the camp, right, yeah, yeah, okay, 509 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: and then you're at the draft and then then all 510 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, okay, but right before that 511 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: it was chosen one. I'm like, oh shit, you on 512 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: the cover of sports. It was damn. But I remember 513 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: when I got to Georgia Tech for my freshman year. 514 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: They played on the ESPN in high school and that 515 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: was kind of like, damn, that's crazy. And then it's like, boy, 516 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: he's been hitting the weights. He looked, he took that 517 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: next leap, and then you know, you don't see him 518 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: for a year, and then the next time you see him, 519 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: he's just transformed. So we knew right away that okay, 520 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the number one pick. But to be honest, 521 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: you don't really think that far into it. You just 522 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, you it's all of us. This is cool. 523 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: I went right into you know, trying to be great 524 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: myself and for my you know, pouring all my stuff 525 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: into the game. You get drafted number four overall, you 526 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: go to Toronto. What were your expectations and what was 527 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Toronto like? I ma'am. I didn't have any expectations for 528 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Toronto because it was it was kind of shocking. Man. 529 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: It was a culture shock. It was moving to a 530 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: different country. I knew I was playing with Vince Carter. 531 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: You're excited to move, You're excited to get it going. 532 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: But then just that professional pace is very He's slow, man, 533 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: and then you know, boom, You're you're throwing into the pan. 534 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: You know, I really struggled when it got cold. When 535 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: it started getting cold, that's when I started, you know, 536 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: getting home sick. You know, I'm twenty five thirty games in, 537 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting smashed every day by grown man. The league. 538 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: The league was a little, you know, a little different, 539 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: a little different than it is now. You know, you 540 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: could guys it was more physical and and you know, 541 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm like two two ten, two fifteen. I mean, I'm 542 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: just getting my ass handed to me every day. So 543 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: I was it was a struggle. It was a real struggle, 544 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: and we weren't doing too good as a team. It 545 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: was it was, you know, just an adjustment getting used 546 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: to the NBA life. And and then socially, I was 547 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: calling my friends every day back at Georgia Tech. They're 548 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: going to the final four. I'm just like God, man, 549 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: did I make the wrong I don't know if I 550 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: made the right decision. Now I was going I was 551 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: going through that in my head. But right you know, 552 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: you know everybody has to go through it. We all 553 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: have to go through it. And you know those are 554 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: my years. Man. Did you ever think about bringing family out, 555 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: maybe your mom, your dad, or someone that you're very 556 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: familiar with, your close, close with to live with you, 557 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: to be there to give you that sense of home. 558 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: I had that. I did have that. I had a 559 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: tremendous support at the time, always had someone with me. 560 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: It's just they're not with you in that huddle, you know, 561 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: and I with you on those road trips. Yeah, it's 562 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: just just the grind of the season. It sounds a 563 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: lot cooler playing on the road than it actually is 564 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: when you first start. You gotta get used to it. 565 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle adjustment you have to make. And being nineteen, 566 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: let's say, being nineteen in the league full of grown guys, 567 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: it's it was. It was a struggle, man, it was 568 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: just different. Uh, Chris, I hate to bring bring this up, 569 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: but January twenty second, two thousand and six, you happen 570 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: to be on that team in which y'all COVID rest 571 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: your soul again. Yeah, dropped eighty one. Everybody talks about 572 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Rose and you kind of get and you don't 573 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: ever mention it, So you've done a great job. I'm like, hey, 574 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: ain't nobody. Don't anyone remember that I was on the squad, 575 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: So I ain't gonna break it up. I brought it 576 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: up a couple of times, you know, just a couple 577 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: of times, not a lot. It's more like a trivia thing. 578 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: And then people say, oh, that is you. Oh you 579 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: can watch the game and maybe not even notice me 580 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: because I look a little different. I was pretty young. 581 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: I was like twenty two, yeah, twenty two, twenty three 582 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, that was That was embarrassing, man, 583 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: So what do you do? What do you remember about 584 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: that game? And then when he got it going, did 585 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: you ever think he would get to that plateau? No? 586 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, So like all I remember, I just 587 00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: like I remember halftime and a lot of people don't know. 588 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: But he scored fifty five points in the second half, right, 589 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: that's like the stat that's like, that's the stagger. That's 590 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: what's because you know what I mean, they think it 591 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: was like okay, forty forty nah, yeah, fifty five. You know, 592 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: I just remember we were up. We were in a 593 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: very good team, but you were all big big, were 594 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: up about fourteen sixteen points, and on the road, we're 595 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: feeling great. He's got twenty six points, right, so I'm like, ah, 596 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, hey, Kobe can have fifty, don't matter as 597 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: long as we win by you know. Man, I just 598 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: remember he came out. It's like he couldn't miss it. 599 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's it's like you just start 600 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: watching him play because he started doing stuff you never 601 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: see anybody do. Nobody was pulling up for three Steph 602 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: Curry started pulling up for threes again. Nobody saw that 603 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: back then. He was pulling up from that far, you know. 604 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: And and the game the second half just started. It 605 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: just the second half. He just come out shooting bo Okay, 606 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: he hits like four threes in a row if I 607 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: remember correctly, and that's like twelve points. And then then 608 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: he just start hitting everything. And we were bad defensively already, 609 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like there was a bunch of resistance. 610 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: So It's like it was that perfect storm. Off. He 611 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: hit every three, he hit every shot, and he shot 612 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of free throws. Right. It was really the 613 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: perfect storm. Oh it was a perfect storm. Man. He 614 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: gave it to us, man, and that was That was 615 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: a tough one, man. That was. And it was kind 616 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: of like I just remember running back and forth, just like, yeah, 617 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: this can't be real. You kind of get stuck in 618 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: a dream, all right, you know, like, can we stop this? 619 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. He just hit this fade away from 620 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: over there. I've never seen that before. You just kind 621 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: of get like, no way, Bob, my god, dang, this 622 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: dude is killing. So the horn goes the horn goes off, 623 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: and you look and you look up and it says 624 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: eighty one. Did you like, is that a myth? Prier? 625 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: Ain't no way, this man had eighty one points in 626 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: big shan. I didn't even have to look. I just 627 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: walked off. I knew, I knew what he had this 628 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: last two free throw free throw, and then they took 629 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: him out and I said, man, let's just get off 630 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: the court. Let's just get out of here as quickly 631 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: as possible. Man. That was a Sunday afternoon yes. Let 632 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: me ask your question. When Toronto won the title last year, 633 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: what were your emotions, because you did start in Toronto, 634 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: although you had your greatest success, greatest team success in Maamn, 635 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: what were your emotions were you excited? You like, Okay, yeah, 636 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: I played for that team. I'm happy for oh man. 637 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: I was so happy. I was so happy for the 638 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: city because nobody ever would have thought that would happen, 639 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: that they even have the opportunity, just because that was 640 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: the stigma for so long, and especially when I was there, 641 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: that was the stigma that you would fight like, I 642 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: don't know, man, can we compete for a championship here? 643 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: And then it would start to kind of see through 644 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: the city. But when I went, I got the chance 645 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to work with the finals for Canadian Cables 646 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: in up there, and so I went to every game 647 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: and just to see the excitement. That's one of the 648 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: things I wish I would have got more of was 649 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: to see playoff basketball in Toronto. Phenomenal fans right, and 650 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: to see their spirit and for them to experience that, 651 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: not only experience it, but win it. I mean, I 652 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: was so happy for those guys. I mean, I still 653 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: know the trainers, the coaches, you know, the staff, the 654 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: front office. The first thing they say when they see me, like, Yo, 655 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: can you believe it? I'm like, I know, that's just great. 656 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: I was just I was so so happy for those guys. 657 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: And that was one of the times I really really enjoyed. 658 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: I got to go back and see all the old guys. 659 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: You know, on those days I wasn't working pre game 660 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: too much. I would go back to the locker room 661 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: and in the equipment room and talk to my old 662 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: equipment manager and the trainers and just you know, have 663 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: a couple of beers and shoot the ship, you know, 664 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: have some fun, and just to see those guys and 665 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: that city have that opportunity and win it and have 666 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: that forever. It's nothing like it. Obviously, Kawhi was a 667 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: big part of that team in Toronto. Last year he 668 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: moved on to the Clippers. Is there what was different 669 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: between Kawhi last year in Toronto and Kawhi this year 670 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: in LA Because it seems he had more talent in 671 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: LA that he had in Toronto, but he didn't enjoy 672 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: the same level of team success. Why do you think 673 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: that was? You know, and I think it's the motivation. 674 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: I think you can get to a complacent place as 675 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: a team, It's it's not easy. And with those guys, 676 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: they had to have the gap in between shutting down 677 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: a season and the bubble, so there could have been 678 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: many miscues there. But I think, you know, that kind 679 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: of they kind of let that take them out of 680 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: their rhythm and it's a hard lesson learned. I mean, 681 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully those guys can learn from what transpired. 682 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: But all in all, they still have the talent. They'll 683 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: still be a championship contender. It will be harder next 684 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: year because you know, you got guys like Golden State, 685 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: who they're gonna you know, they got the Splash Brothers 686 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: rested up, Draymond rested up in a high pick, you know, coming, 687 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. But you know, I 688 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: think it wasn't as much urgency. You know, they didn't 689 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: play with the urgency. They didn't play with the edge 690 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: that they needed one to put Denver Away into to 691 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: really sustain their great play two thousand and eight. You guys, 692 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: it's dubbed the redeem team because in two thousand and 693 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: four they had lost the gold medal. Not only did 694 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: they Uh, yeah, because they say, you know, you don't 695 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: win up silboy, you win Lebron if you lose gold. 696 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: They lost the golden medal they got, they got the broun. 697 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaking, Argentina won the gold medal back 698 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: year behind Manu yep in two thousand and eight. What 699 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: was your focus? What were you guys focus going in 700 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: to try and bring the gold medal home? Because you're 701 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 1: not a basketball started in America, so we should never 702 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: lose in basketball. Man. It was embarrassing, man. And like 703 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: I didn't get the opportunity to play on the team 704 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: in Athens, but I played in Tokyo in two thousand 705 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: and six. We didn't win that either, you know. So 706 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: it was getting to the point, you know where it's like, man, 707 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: this is embarrassing. Yeah, we're supposed to be the world 708 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: leaders in this MJ and those guys never lost. So 709 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: we've got to We've got to fix this and we 710 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: definitely can't lose in a way. It was just a 711 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: very very serious atmosphere, I mean not only for basketball, 712 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: but just the spirit of a nation. I mean, we 713 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: talked to we talked to veteran people who were disabled 714 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: or disabled lost their eyesight, re enlisted back into the military, 715 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, to fight for their country. Talking to two 716 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: and three star generals, you know, it was it was. 717 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: It was super super patriotic, super heavy, and I mean, 718 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: Coach K I really want to say Coach K left 719 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: the charge on that one because he knew the moment 720 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: and how serious it was, not only as a leader 721 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: in basketball and setting the precedent with that, but just representing, 722 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: you know, the United States of America, having pride in 723 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: that and not letting anybody kind of take that away 724 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: from you. You know, just just wear it with pride. 725 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: And we played pretty hungry. We were. We were ready 726 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: to go that year. It was a lot of fun. 727 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: So what are some of your best memories about the 728 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: O E team? Obviously you're around some of your around 729 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: d Wade Mellow, Lebron. You guys came in in the 730 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: same draft in OH three, so you're very familiar with 731 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: each other. Kobe was on that team also, Kobe was 732 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: CDP three. So what are some of your best memories 733 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: about that Besides winning? Obviously that was the greatest memory 734 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: of winning. Yeah, but what are some of your behind 735 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: the scenes memories hanging with Kobe. Of course going to 736 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: the We went to the village quite a bit, I 737 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: want to say, every other day. We had built this 738 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: thing where we would play. The next day we practiced 739 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: and then go hang out at the village. But just 740 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: to hang out at the village, see the spirit of 741 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: the games, talk to the people, you know, eat eat, 742 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: eating the mess hall, you know, eat the same food now, 743 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: and like seeing how big Kobe was, because you know, Lebron, 744 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: Lebron is you know, Kobe's Kobe's the guy, and Lebron 745 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, he's the guy you can touch. 746 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: You can't touch Kobe, right, Lebron you can touch kind of, 747 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: and he's on his way and like he's one of 748 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: the best in the world. But then Kobe was around, 749 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: and it was it was just I mean, the way 750 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: people reacted to that guy was crazy. But just getting 751 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: to see some of that, getting to see how hard 752 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: he worked, how much he put into the game, how 753 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: good he how good he really is or was, and yeah, 754 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: just hanging with the guys. Man, we had a good time. 755 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,479 Speaker 1: It was It was a lot of a lot of fun. 756 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun on that trip, you know, 757 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I was twenty four years old. We 758 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: were all yet. Bron was twenty three, Mellow was twenty four, 759 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: d was twenty five. We were just just some you know, 760 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: young guys hanging out when you guys are at the 761 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: Olympics and oh eight, did you know that there was 762 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: a possibility that you, d Wade and Braun might link 763 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: up later that ever, I did not know. I'm sure 764 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: Broun knew. I'm sure he knew because there, you know, 765 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: he's a very calculated person. I was just happy to 766 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: be one be on Olympics. I was trying to play right. 767 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: I was just trying to give more minutes and and 768 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: I was so concentrated on making Toronto a destination that 769 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: was like my goal and focus as a franchise player. 770 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: I truly truly believed that we could compete for a 771 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: championship one day. I just had to keep doing what 772 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing, and you know, I was just fully into that. 773 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: I really didn't start thinking all the way about free 774 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: agency until I think it was that was it that summer, 775 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: I think the summer before. Yeah, in two thousand and seven, 776 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: we all signed our deals, So it was kind of 777 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: out of my mind for whatever reason, I wasn't. I 778 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: was just kind of kind of just compartmentalizing and just 779 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: thinking about things that were in front of me. So 780 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: how did so how did that come together? So how 781 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: did you guys? You d Wade Lebron, Are you on 782 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: the phone? Are you in a room? And you're like, 783 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: obviously they're not coming to Toronto, so play. In order 784 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: for you to play play to Lebron, you're gonna have 785 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: to make moved to the state. So how did this 786 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: come about? So it kind of started out all cloudy. 787 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: You know, free agency is crazy, but you know it 788 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: was known that Miami was making moves to get enough 789 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: cash space. That's pretty much what it came down to. 790 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: Once the cash space was made. Yeah, a couple of 791 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: phone conversations, you know, I mean, we're friends, we see 792 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: each other, and at that time it was still just possibilities. 793 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: Nobody really thought because you know, I believe there were 794 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 1: still moves to be made and all that stuff. So, 795 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was just kind of a pipe dream 796 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: at the time, but it was on the radar. And 797 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: you know, my agent, the late grade Henry Thomas, me 798 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: and him at me and Dwayne at the same agent. 799 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: You know, so I kind of everybody put me in 800 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: a position where it's like Chris, if you come, for sure, 801 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: we're going to get one of it. You know. So 802 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: that's like New York, New Jersey, Chicago, that's what they're 803 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: telling me. In like for me, they were putting me 804 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of it. And I mean so in 805 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: the other words, you were the man. You you were 806 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,240 Speaker 1: the one that was going to connect the dots because 807 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: if you come, one of the other was definitely coming. 808 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: That's that's what they were trying to sell me on. 809 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: Never believed it any any part of the day and 810 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: like guys, I don't know, but they that's definitely what 811 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: was being sold to me quite a bit. But you know, 812 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: it was just it was a slow burn. You know, 813 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 1: the free agency period happened once I heard the possibility. 814 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it was pretty evident to me. I was 815 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: on board the welcome when the Heat had their welcome 816 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: party and you guys are on stage and it's the 817 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: power of techniques are going off and they're probably fifteen 818 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: thousand people in Heat arena and lebron is saying not one, 819 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: not two, not three, not four? Are you like, hop bro, 820 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: Let's hold this thing. Let's get it and then we'll 821 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: get to two to three to four. What's going through 822 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: your mind when you hear him say that's right, that's right. 823 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: Tell him, Oh yeah, I was taking yo, give me 824 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,959 Speaker 1: all the gas. Wasn't even thinking about how that would look. 825 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't even aware. I mean, it was just everybody 826 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: was having so much fun, to be honest, man. And 827 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: it kind of not that it did. It didn't get flipped. 828 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: We definitely should have been smarter. It was just like 829 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: in the context the question was asked, and then he said, 830 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: we're not here to win, not one, but of course 831 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: you gotta hey man, they're gonna pick up. They're gonna 832 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: just nudge that over, pick that part up. And yeah 833 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: you did. Kind of we did. We were all there 834 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: counting all the way up to ten or whatever. Yeah, 835 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: I mean, we were feeling so good man. We had 836 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: no idea and at the same time, like we weren't 837 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: seeing the aftermath of the night before, right, you know, 838 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: we went straight to parties and stuff, So we were 839 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: totally least on my end, I was totally unaware of 840 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: the perception and how it was taken. So yeah, we 841 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: if we would have known that, and how good and 842 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: how hard it is to win a championship. Yeah, we 843 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: might would have We probably would have said some some 844 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: different stuff, you know, and you come on. The crowd 845 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 1: was like they had gass. Oh we were gas yea. 846 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: By the time he got the eight, it was a 847 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: standing ovation. But you you mentioned you didn't see the 848 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: backlash that had happened the night before because once you 849 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: guys said once you guys did you did? You went 850 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: straight the parties. But you go, you your beloved Lebron 851 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: was beloved d Wade, and now you guys combined and 852 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: you're the most hated team and all maybe in the 853 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: history of basketball outside of the Bad Boy Pistons. But 854 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: you go from beloved to hate it overnight. That's what 855 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of that's what kind of threw me off. And 856 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: that's what kind of that was my naive nature at 857 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: the time, just being a younger guy. Everybody loved me 858 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: in Toronto. I was not threatening. I'll give you twenty 859 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: and ten to night. You know, we may get the 860 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: ape seeds, seventh seeds. We'll get you guys out of 861 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: here in five man. Chris, you boy, you can play, 862 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it wasn't threatening. And 863 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, prior to that, I want to say, yeah, 864 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, you know, and I tell you, 865 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: everybody was so nice because free agency was coming up, 866 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: and so you kind of get in this mode of 867 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 1: just thinking, oh, yeah, they're my friends or yeah nobody, 868 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: not even putting yourself in their position and saying, oh, yeah, okay, 869 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: they're a fan and they're a Bulls fan. So if 870 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: you don't go to Chicago, they're not gonna like that. So, 871 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think for everybody, for all 872 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: of us, we kind of Dwayne and Lebron had some 873 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: experience with it. I had none, So I was just 874 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: steadily playing catchup and and you know, just catching those 875 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: straight bullets. Man, how difficult was it because, as you mentioned, 876 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: you go from being a twenty ten guy, a guy 877 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: that they're running the offense through, to all of a sudden, 878 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 1: it's Lebron, d Wade, d Wade, Lebron, not Chris. Okay, 879 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: here's a little something for you. How difficult was that 880 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: for you? It was very difficult, to be honest with you, 881 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: because in my mind I thought, I said, man, I'm 882 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: gonna get my touches here, and they're gonna be making 883 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: plays for me because Dwayne and Lebron can pass so well, right, 884 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the leading scorer. Man, I'm gonna average. 885 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: My game is gonna continue to go up. I average 886 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: twenty five last year twenty four point who I probably 887 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 1: have twenty six at least. Yeah, it wasn't like yeah, 888 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: it's not like that. And then and then even in that, 889 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: we're trying to figure it out as a team. I'm 890 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: running a whole different playbook. I don't like nobody. I 891 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: mean we're getting when it's knew, nobody likes it. And 892 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: then we're trying to figure out how to play with it, 893 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,720 Speaker 1: like yeah, with each other. And then like it's so loud. 894 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: Every game is like a playoff game. So learning on 895 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: the fly it's not really working. So we're going back 896 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: to old habits. It was bad, you know, it just 897 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: it just kind of snowballed into this situation where we said, okay, 898 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,479 Speaker 1: as a team, this is what we have to do. 899 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: And to be quite frank, man, I mean they were 900 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,399 Speaker 1: so they were so amazing. Just said what they did. 901 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: I said, all right, cool, you know they I mean 902 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: I would see Lebron get a block, get the rebound, 903 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: push it, kick it up and and cast alley. Oh 904 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: my god, Okay, I can't do that. D Way doing 905 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: all those Euros steps and getting the steels in the 906 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: back court. They they just did things that I could 907 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: not do. So I pretty much it was pretty evident 908 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,439 Speaker 1: as far as like how I would affect the game 909 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: and where I would fit in with that team. You 910 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: guys don't get off to the best start at seventeen 911 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: games in you're nine and eight. Yeah, how much truth 912 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: is it that d Wade and Lebron wanted spoil Gone 913 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: and pat Riley to come down? We were you in 914 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: on it? Nah? Yeah, never was never a thing that 915 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: was just that was so it was getting so crazy, man, 916 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that was one of the 917 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: things that we didn't, you know, expect coming because you know, hey, 918 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: we gave us full a rough time. Don't get me wrong, 919 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to give your coach a rough time in 920 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: this situation. Nobody's happy, right, But yeah, the fans in Miami, 921 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: they started it started at the home games, if I 922 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: remember correctly, people were just like, we want Rayles Riles 923 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: pretty much had to We had to have a whole 924 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 1: team meeting about that and just like, hey, I'm not coaching, 925 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is our team. And him doing that, 926 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: we knew that. Okay, this is what we're working with. 927 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,320 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be any any kind of wishy washy 928 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of stuff over here. He's the coach. He's ready. 929 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: You know, We're good to go. How difficult was twenty 930 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: eleven because you guys were a favorite to beat the 931 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: Mavericks and it does not go. You win Game one, 932 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: you're up by fifteen at one point in time. In 933 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,280 Speaker 1: Game two, they go on a twenty two and twenty 934 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: two two, They go on to twenty two five runs 935 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, so they win and they end 936 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: up winning the game and win that series. Yea? How 937 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,800 Speaker 1: difficult was that? And what would the off season like? 938 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,399 Speaker 1: The off season was long because it was the lockout year, right, 939 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: So not only did we lose, but it's like, damn, 940 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: we are we even gonna get another chance to even 941 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: redeem ourselves? Probably, I don't know, we'll see. But it 942 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 1: was embarrassing. It was hard. We were shameful, I mean 943 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: every what we're wrong, what we're wrong. We just weren't ready, 944 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: We just weren't read. They were better than us. We 945 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:10,320 Speaker 1: didn't Psychologically, we didn't play well. Our offense was stagnant. 946 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: Lebron didn't play well. I didn't play well. Nobody played 947 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: with a coaching staff hell or the popcorn. Man. I'm 948 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: sure he was like, I didn't get them the popcorn 949 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: like I you know, but it just, you know, one 950 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: thing I learned from that you have to gain experienced 951 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: as a team and then as an individual. And unfortunately 952 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 1: sometimes that requires pain. And we understood as soon as 953 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: we lost how important it is to pay attention to 954 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: the small details, to play with that, to play with 955 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,399 Speaker 1: that pain, you know what I mean. And you get 956 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: into the moors, and you got to give credit to 957 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: the Maverige, to Jason Kid, Jason Terry, Dirk Navinski. They 958 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 1: were very steady, and they picked us apart, and they 959 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 1: were always a step ahead and as far as like 960 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 1: what we were doing, so we were always catching up 961 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: to them. And I mean, they seized the moment. Man. 962 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 1: You gotta give them credit. They played well and we 963 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: did not. Did you feel like, Okay, Lebron obviously is 964 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: the best player, but he goes to d wade home. 965 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, look, I don't understand I might 966 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,439 Speaker 1: have more money than you, but when I'm in your home, 967 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: I need to act accordingly. Feel that Lebron was holding 968 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: back because he was in Miami and this was d 969 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: Wade's castle. Oh yeah, for sure, that was that was 970 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: all of our things. I didn't want to step on 971 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,399 Speaker 1: their toes. Lebron definitely didn't want to step on these 972 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: toes because he had developed his pretty much developed his 973 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: style of play at the time. So you know, that's 974 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: a ball dominant style, to be honest with you, So like, 975 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: I know for sure he didn't want to. You know, 976 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: it's like, yo, this is d Wade, He's the franchise guy. 977 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 1: It took them having a conversation to pretty much say, 978 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: hey man, you know you do your thing. We're you know, 979 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: we're we're we're in behind, We've got your back. We're 980 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: going to allow you to be the best player in 981 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: the world. And that pretty much was the conversation. It 982 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: was off and running. After that, you had this epic, 983 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: these epic battles with the Celtics. You're down, I mean 984 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,919 Speaker 1: you would go up to oh they win the next three, 985 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: walk us through game six? What would because you had 986 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 1: just lost the previous year to the Mavericks, right, you 987 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,879 Speaker 1: can't lose. You can't lose again. Oh my god, it's over. 988 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: If you what what would your mindset? What was the 989 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 1: Keys mindset? And did you know Lebron was gonna have 990 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,480 Speaker 1: an epic night? I didn't know he's gonna have an 991 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,439 Speaker 1: epic night. Oh mind from my mind, I was hurt, 992 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, I had a torn growing. I could play, 993 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: but I knew I couldn't give much, so I just 994 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: wanted to give as much as I can give. And 995 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: I was coming off the bench. I think I was 996 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,280 Speaker 1: our plan. I was gonna I knew I was probably 997 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: gonna play eighteen twenty minutes, right, So that was my 998 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, focus is playing with this pain and hopefully 999 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 1: something could come out of it. Because you got the 1000 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,759 Speaker 1: first series right against Indiana. You missed the first series. Yeah, 1001 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: I came out. I probably played six minutes and missed 1002 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: the whole series and then missed the first five games 1003 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: of this particular series with Boston or first four, and 1004 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 1: I came back game five and then we lost. But 1005 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was just kind of one of those 1006 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 1: things where we just kind of had to believe. Man, 1007 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: you had to believe we weren't really thinking too much 1008 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:40,760 Speaker 1: about the possibilities. It was more so just like, all right, cool, Boston, 1009 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,440 Speaker 1: we're going to Boston. Let's get it done. You just 1010 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat dinner, I'm gonna do shoot around, I'm 1011 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna do this. I you know, That's all I was 1012 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,840 Speaker 1: focused on. And then about midway through the first quarter, 1013 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,359 Speaker 1: end of the first quarter, I noticed Bron like, God, 1014 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: he hasn't miss am I tripping, you know, And then 1015 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: just say we're playing well. And then okay, man, he's 1016 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: hitting everything. We're not even running in any place. You know, 1017 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,760 Speaker 1: I can just focus on defense. Right, we get some stops, 1018 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna take care of the rest. That's great. That 1019 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 1: makes it easy on everybody. And then we were just 1020 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,680 Speaker 1: in a good rhythm defensively as a team. You know, 1021 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,959 Speaker 1: the couple times that he did get off the ball, 1022 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: we scored and you know, we were able to get 1023 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: out of there. But like I mean, it was it 1024 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 1: was a crazy experience. I mean, before you know, I'm 1025 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,320 Speaker 1: sure you've been in one of those games right where 1026 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: you could just hear a pin drop. You know, it's nothing. 1027 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: It was nothing to say. There was no hype speeches. 1028 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: It was It was just you know, let's go out 1029 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: here and go and then you know, it's just one 1030 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: of those moments. Gosh, it's like, man, this dude is 1031 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: hitting everything. Are you man? Are you when we're up twenty? 1032 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a good dream, but like every dream, 1033 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: like am I in Boston up twenty right now? Are 1034 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: we about to get out of here alive? Okay? Cool? 1035 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: And that kind of gave us, you know, some it 1036 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: reinvigorated us for a game seven. You mentioned that was 1037 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: game six. All that did was promise you another game. 1038 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 1: You still weren't out of the woods because you have 1039 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,480 Speaker 1: Game seven and it's in your building, which would have 1040 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: been even worse had you lost Game six, because you 1041 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: would have got the l in your building for sure. 1042 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,919 Speaker 1: It didn't even Hey, once you get there, it doesn't 1043 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,920 Speaker 1: even cross your mind. It's like, hey, we're at the crib. 1044 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: It don't matter. We whoop your ass on the moon. 1045 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's go. So you you play, Okay, see you lose 1046 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: the first game, you win the second one. Okay, what's 1047 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: going through your mind at the beginning of the series, 1048 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 1: And did you like, okay, we got we've gotten drolled. 1049 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: Now we're going home for three games, and we're not 1050 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: coming back to okay See. Oh yeah, I definitely, I know. 1051 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: I felt that in my spirit. We didn't play particularly 1052 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,439 Speaker 1: well Game one. We knew that we turned the ball 1053 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: over a line, and when you get when you get 1054 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: that far, you don't freak out. You don't get that 1055 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: far just to freak out over one game. You recognize, 1056 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: we recognize the mistakes that we were making as a team, 1057 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 1: and we knew we could play much better, and you know, 1058 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 1: knowing kind of trying to get in okay See's head. 1059 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: They were all in their early twenties. I know how 1060 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: I was. When we won Game one. I thought we 1061 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: were gonna win it, so naturally you're gonna have a 1062 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 1: let up in game two, just that little bit of 1063 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: let up or change the ties a little bit. We 1064 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: kind of knew that, so we said, okay, let's get 1065 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: game game two, and then once we get that, once 1066 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: we got that game, I said, Okay, we're not coming back. 1067 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how I feel. We were a 1068 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: tremendous home team, I think one of the best home 1069 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 1: teams in the league, and we were just totally confident 1070 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: at home. So going back, we just knew we had 1071 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: a chance to run them all off. And you didn't 1072 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: know this at the time, but you beat a team 1073 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: that would later go on to have three regularly the 1074 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 1: MVPs and a guy that won two finals MVP crazy. 1075 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: We knew they were good, and you know, it was 1076 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 1: kind of you know, playing them was very difficult. You know, 1077 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 1: even back then early twenties, it was like and and 1078 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: I think Westbrook put on like fifteen pounds after that series. 1079 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, they took it to another level. Individually. We 1080 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,919 Speaker 1: knew that they were gonna be a problem. We knew 1081 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 1: there were a problem coming into that series. You know, 1082 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: everybody didn't really get used to the hardened thing until 1083 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Houston right doing that with okayc you know hard and yeah, 1084 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 1: I think he was sixth Man of the year. But 1085 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,560 Speaker 1: did you know Harden would be this? I mean, it's 1086 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 1: one thing that's okay, yeah, he would be good. But 1087 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: to beat this, I got an average thirty six, I 1088 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: got a averages thirty five, he leads the league, gonna 1089 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: see us, but got I mean the fifty point fifty 1090 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 1: point triple double. Did you know he could beat this? No? No, 1091 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: we knew. It's like, yo, he's gonna be he's cold, 1092 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: he's bad. He can be a franchise player somewhere else. 1093 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,440 Speaker 1: But if they stay together, you can fill in the blanks. 1094 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: And then when he went to Houston, oh man, he's 1095 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. But yeah, what he's uh, the 1096 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: things he's been able to do, I mean, he's inspired, 1097 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: he's he's done a whole other thing with the game 1098 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: of basketball nobody else has seen before. Yeah, I don't 1099 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 1: think anybody saw that coming. I think he gained his 1100 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: confidence and then with whatever that crazy creativity that he's 1101 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: gotten his brain, he started figuring things out and it's like, 1102 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: oh wow, I can do this. And he's almost he's 1103 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,439 Speaker 1: almost unguardable with that step back three. So I don't 1104 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 1: know how you you defending. Yeah, you don't know either. 1105 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 1: You're just in the whole game. How do we defend 1106 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: this guy? And so you win that one and then 1107 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,240 Speaker 1: the next year you go the Spurs, you lose game one. 1108 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Tony Parker hit that miraculous shot lebron got indeed, up 1109 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: shot clocks wid it down somehow he throws it up, 1110 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: it rolls around and it falls in. You guys lose. 1111 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,439 Speaker 1: What's going through your mind? You're like, oh my goodness. Yeah, 1112 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: it's like, oh my goodness, it's cool. But that's not okay. 1113 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: See now that's not duck in the parking nobly. Yeah, 1114 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't want to. You want to 1115 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: lose it, but you don't allow yourself to. It's like, okay, cool, 1116 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: we lost that one, all right, Hey we cannot lose 1117 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: game too. That's just and and you know, we start 1118 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,960 Speaker 1: identifying the problems and what we need to fix right away, 1119 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: and we were able to have a great game. But 1120 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, in that particular moment, you just try to 1121 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, in the finals, you have to have a 1122 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: very long outlook on the series. So you know, not 1123 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that it gives you peace, but just saying, okay, hey, 1124 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: this is what we need to do. We identify these mistakes, 1125 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: we correct them, let's have a better game next game. 1126 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 1: You still you get one game, and because you got 1127 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: to get one in order you to come back to Miami, 1128 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 1: you get the one game you come back three two. 1129 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Talk to us about game six. What's your mindset? What 1130 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,600 Speaker 1: are you feeling going in the game six? When it 1131 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: it's nothing, I mean, it's kind of you have to 1132 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 1: fight that deja vu kind of feel because we were 1133 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: in the same situation with the Mavericks. We knew our 1134 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 1: backs were against the wall. We didn't expect it, did 1135 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: not expect it at all, you know, but we're here 1136 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: and so you know, winning two games at home or 1137 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: just winning one game at home it was the focus. 1138 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 1: But we never lacked confidence. It was always you always 1139 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 1: want to approach that situation with confidence. You you know, 1140 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,960 Speaker 1: being beat down after being in San Antonio and and 1141 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,280 Speaker 1: dealing with that home crowd, with their home crowd for 1142 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 1: a week and a half. You know, being away from 1143 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,440 Speaker 1: your home, it's a difficult thing, but you know it 1144 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: refreshed this and you know, you just get ready for 1145 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,320 Speaker 1: the battle. Man, That's all you can do. Get your 1146 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,480 Speaker 1: mind right. It's not about the exs and those you 1147 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,680 Speaker 1: go through those things, but it's not about that. It's 1148 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: just about the preparations. It's about doing what you do 1149 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: and going out there and competing at the highest level. 1150 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,280 Speaker 1: You start the fourth quarter of game six, you're down 1151 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 1: ten are You're thinking, like, man, this San Antonio. We 1152 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,520 Speaker 1: know they're gonna execute demonstration. This is not a young team. 1153 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 1: They're well coached. They're gonna be where they're supposed to be. 1154 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna execute their offense like they're supposed to do. 1155 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,800 Speaker 1: You allow yourself to like, damn, how did we get 1156 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: ourselves in this situation to gets that team? Na, we 1157 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: were good at throwing away the situations. I mean, we 1158 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,919 Speaker 1: were probably the best fourth quarter comeback team by far 1159 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,000 Speaker 1: in the league that year. So we had confidence. I mean, 1160 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 1: we didn't want to be there, but you know, not 1161 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,640 Speaker 1: all is law, right, and you know, our second group 1162 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: with Lebron, they played amazing basketball. They always got us going, 1163 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: even in the regular season. So it was just one 1164 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,080 Speaker 1: of those things where you trust your guys. You trust 1165 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: the second group la by Lebron. You know that they're 1166 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna get you back in it. And once they get us, 1167 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: once we get back in and we've we've got to 1168 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: either sustain it or overtake the lead. And that's the 1169 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 1: But that's one of the habits that we had built 1170 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: up all year, you know, having that faith in each other. 1171 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: Right you're down and if basically it's come down to this, 1172 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: a misshot and a rebound, see Lebron pulls up. You're 1173 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: tracking the ball. What's going through your mind? The ball 1174 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 1: fill your mind with watching the ball, man, I mean, 1175 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 1: if you watch the play of slow motion the way 1176 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 1: that they played at Tony Parker read at the play 1177 01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,560 Speaker 1: and he on top of my screen boris d I 1178 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:07,440 Speaker 1: did not see him. They both went and contested lebron 1179 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: shot that allowed me pretty much a free pass to 1180 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,560 Speaker 1: crash the boys, and I watched the flight of the 1181 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,560 Speaker 1: ball so with no Kim Duncan because Pop had made 1182 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 1: it kejic effort strategy to take Duncan out of the game. Yeah, 1183 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and you know that's always a what if thing, but 1184 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,160 Speaker 1: they have been doing that all year. You know, that's 1185 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: this is their late game package. This is what they 1186 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,880 Speaker 1: always do. But that allowed me a free run to 1187 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,240 Speaker 1: the basket while I'm watching the ball. And so any 1188 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,960 Speaker 1: rebounder can tell you if you get to watch the 1189 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,080 Speaker 1: flight of the ball and nobody hits you nine times 1190 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 1: out of ten, you're gonna know or your instincts are 1191 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: gonna take over and you're gonna be able to be 1192 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: there when the ball is there. You know. Great rebounder 1193 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: told me, Hey man, it was old schooler too. He's like, 1194 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: hey man, trick the rebounding is getting there before the 1195 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: ball gets there, right, Yeah, you're right with you track 1196 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,440 Speaker 1: the ball, you grabbed the rebound, with the with the 1197 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,040 Speaker 1: arena as loud as it is, How do you know? 1198 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Did you know Ray was gonna be back there? How? 1199 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: And even if you didn't know you he said, Chris 1200 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,919 Speaker 1: or seebe whatever he'd called you, how did you hear that? 1201 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I heard him, man, That's the only thing I heard, 1202 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and they're crazy, Yes, the 1203 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: only thing I heard. I didn't hear anything else. And 1204 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: in my mind it went a line slower. But when 1205 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 1: I watched it on replaying, there's no way I could. 1206 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I distinctly heard him, and I 1207 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:42,440 Speaker 1: could see his eyes and his facial expression running back 1208 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:47,439 Speaker 1: like backpedaling, and so you know, just the body took 1209 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,640 Speaker 1: over then what it needed to do, and and his 1210 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,600 Speaker 1: took over and shoot and we were able to live 1211 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 1: to play another day. Man, we still had to play 1212 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,720 Speaker 1: over time after right. You know, they were crushed, you 1213 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,000 Speaker 1: you know they were crushed for sure, they were for sure. 1214 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: That's that thing, like we let's move in right now 1215 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and win this game. And then that's like then you 1216 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: still got game seven to play after that. So it 1217 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: was that's what Ray Allen hit the greatest shot forget 1218 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,040 Speaker 1: the you know the that's the greatest shot given the circumstances. 1219 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,519 Speaker 1: And how does how does he backpedal? He does not 1220 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,800 Speaker 1: look if you look at Ray, he never looks down. 1221 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: He has to, like trade. He trained himself that he backpedal. No, 1222 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm far enough back, I'm not gonna step out of bounds. 1223 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,600 Speaker 1: Let that shot go. And it's pure for sure. I 1224 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,679 Speaker 1: don't know him. If you ever had that moment in football? 1225 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Have you ever had that just moment where after the game, 1226 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 1: you're just like it could be hours, it could everybody's gone, 1227 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,880 Speaker 1: You're still in your uniform, just stare just like, you know, 1228 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,479 Speaker 1: what just has happened? Yeah, what just happened? And me 1229 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,000 Speaker 1: and Ray were just kind of like that, and you know, 1230 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: and I said, man, do you practice that shot? He said, oh, yeah, 1231 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,719 Speaker 1: I practice that And ever since that day, I practiced 1232 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,599 Speaker 1: that shot every day every day. That became a part 1233 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: of my routine, practicing craziest shots because you never know 1234 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,200 Speaker 1: when you got to break the glass and use it. 1235 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,719 Speaker 1: And that's what I tell and that's what I tell people, 1236 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 1: is that when you see these guys take these shots, 1237 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,439 Speaker 1: they practiced them. Steph Curry just did all of a 1238 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:28,680 Speaker 1: sudden start pulling up from the timeline. Everybody shooting these 1239 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,880 Speaker 1: logo shots now they become routine. Whereas Chris, when you 1240 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,960 Speaker 1: first got into the league, you only attempted that shot 1241 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the end of the shot clock or the end of house. 1242 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 1: Not the only time you attempted that for sure, for sure. 1243 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: Or he's shooting that shot now with eighteen seconds on 1244 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 1: the shot. It's like the backup, like whoa young cello? 1245 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 1: So you're two times, you went two and three years, 1246 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,000 Speaker 1: you go back twenty fourteen doesn't end like you wanted. 1247 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Lebron makes his decision, he goes back to Cleveland. What's 1248 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,639 Speaker 1: your feeling. Did you feel that Miami was a total 1249 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,839 Speaker 1: success or did you feel like you guys got cheated 1250 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,360 Speaker 1: or you left something on the table? Oh, we definitely 1251 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,840 Speaker 1: left something on the table. I mean in my mind, 1252 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: I you know, I will always feel like it's an 1253 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: unfinished story. But sometimes the best stories are unfinished. You know. 1254 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,880 Speaker 1: It was it was a four year just shooting star, 1255 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, and we wanted to continue it, and you know, 1256 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,439 Speaker 1: we've I've had a lot of time to think about it. 1257 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,840 Speaker 1: I've even talked to Pat about it, and we both like, 1258 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,599 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't imagine if my hometown didn't like me. 1259 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,759 Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, I couldn't imagine that at the time. 1260 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, feelings hurt. You have to get over the 1261 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:53,240 Speaker 1: fact that it is free agency, right. He didn't demand 1262 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: the trade, he didn't fill his obligation. Yeah, for sure, 1263 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, it kind of hurts, but you know, 1264 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,200 Speaker 1: it's just like him. You get used to playing a 1265 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: certain way and and you know, be Frank. I mean 1266 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,200 Speaker 1: to be Frank. You know. Man, he's fun. He's a 1267 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,559 Speaker 1: great dude. We've been knowing each other since we're seventeen 1268 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: years old. The team dynamic was great. It's Lebron James. 1269 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,080 Speaker 1: You're playing with the greatest player, and it's it's a 1270 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,839 Speaker 1: lot of fun. And I knew that things were gonna change, 1271 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,680 Speaker 1: But then I think it reinvigorated everyone. I think for 1272 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 1: me it was able. You know, I was able to 1273 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, just move forward as my career, you know, 1274 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: or what I thought my career was going to take 1275 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,800 Speaker 1: off too. It kind of gave me a fresh kind 1276 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,640 Speaker 1: of outlook on the league and what I could be 1277 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,519 Speaker 1: and as well as Dwayne and the organization too, and 1278 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,720 Speaker 1: for him, I mean, and it kind of hurts too, right, 1279 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're going over there, kay Love over there 1280 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,679 Speaker 1: and they just got kay Love Kyrie. I'm like, damn, 1281 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:59,160 Speaker 1: they're pretty good. They're pretty good. So you know, you 1282 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,559 Speaker 1: feel a certain type away. But you know, we we 1283 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 1: had plenty of conversations since then, you know, and more 1284 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,760 Speaker 1: than this was also gonna be your opportunity to go 1285 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 1: back to being Toronto Chris Bosh. Yeah, sure a guy 1286 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna be twenty and ten. And then all of 1287 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,559 Speaker 1: a sudden, you get the diagnosis at the All Star Game. 1288 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,479 Speaker 1: You're on vacation with your wife, you're vacationing, and you 1289 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,320 Speaker 1: get these blood clots. What's going through your mind? And 1290 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 1: at that point in time, did you say, you know 1291 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,600 Speaker 1: what this thing might be career ending? Or did that 1292 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 1: thought never crossed your mind? It never crossed my mind, 1293 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,120 Speaker 1: but we knew it was there. I just thought I 1294 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,360 Speaker 1: was gonna beat it because twenty fifteen had happened, and 1295 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: then twenty sixteen had happened at the same exact time 1296 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,479 Speaker 1: with no pain this time. The first time I was 1297 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: just out. I was in the hospital for two weeks. 1298 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,840 Speaker 1: I was bed ridden. I had surgery. It was really bad. 1299 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,599 Speaker 1: The second time was just yeah, you have blood clots 1300 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,560 Speaker 1: and that was it. And you know it was psychologically 1301 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,280 Speaker 1: it was just super tough to deal with. We were 1302 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: I think we were number two, second or third in 1303 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,280 Speaker 1: the East at the time, and we were kind of 1304 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,240 Speaker 1: and I talked with Pat about this too. We were 1305 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,840 Speaker 1: looking around like, man, yo, we I think yo, I 1306 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,200 Speaker 1: think we can make a run for one. We're hitting 1307 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,800 Speaker 1: the marks. If we after All Star break, we can 1308 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: we can if we can lock up this two seed 1309 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,519 Speaker 1: and hopefully we can lock horns with the calves. I'll 1310 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,760 Speaker 1: take I'll take that any day, and just you know 1311 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,000 Speaker 1: just how cool that is, that how great of a 1312 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: storyline that would be. That was my motivation every day. 1313 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,360 Speaker 1: And like you were saying, being having that Toronto spirit 1314 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: about me and leading the team, I was. I was 1315 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,000 Speaker 1: all for that. It was me and Duane. But you know, 1316 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that just wasn't meant 1317 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,400 Speaker 1: to be. Man. So when the doctors tell you, say, Chris, 1318 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,800 Speaker 1: it's over. Yeah, we recommend, and that's normally how they 1319 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: give it to you. If you were if you were 1320 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,160 Speaker 1: my son, I would advise you not to do this anymore. 1321 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: Consider the ramifications that could possibly come along with this. 1322 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,479 Speaker 1: So when you and your wife sit down and you 1323 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,120 Speaker 1: finally come to the ultimate decision, what what, What's what's 1324 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,320 Speaker 1: going on? What's going on? I mean, how difficult of 1325 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,800 Speaker 1: a decision was that it took a couple of years 1326 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,360 Speaker 1: to get there. I tried. I tried my hand in 1327 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,800 Speaker 1: finding a way to play again for a while, and 1328 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: I just ran out of gas. You know, you're trying 1329 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,680 Speaker 1: to find a doctor to tell you would be okay, yeah, 1330 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: pretty much. You know, I'm looking for that one please, 1331 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,720 Speaker 1: and I'm just going different places. And you know, we 1332 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,200 Speaker 1: fought because I felt, I mean, there was nothing that 1333 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 1: was you know, physically, there's nothing physically you can't see. 1334 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 1: It's not it's not the key leads, it's not a 1335 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,920 Speaker 1: torn anything. It's something. It's an invisible killer. That's what. 1336 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. We can play, you know what I mean, 1337 01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,879 Speaker 1: breathing great. There was no uh, there was nothing happening, 1338 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 1: no pain. It just really messed me up, man, And 1339 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,559 Speaker 1: and I just kind of, you know, I tried and 1340 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,000 Speaker 1: I tried, and it just eventually I had to come 1341 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: to the realization. And you know there wasn't a singular conversation, 1342 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,240 Speaker 1: but just to be honest with you, when I saw 1343 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward dislocate his ankle, R took whatever fight I 1344 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,839 Speaker 1: had left in me, it was gone. Because remember Dwayne 1345 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,240 Speaker 1: and Lebron were played in that game, right, Yeah, So 1346 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't watched basketball any of the year before, and 1347 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,160 Speaker 1: I said, yo, I'm playing this year. Let me get 1348 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,000 Speaker 1: back connected with the game. First five minutes that happened. Yeah, 1349 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,920 Speaker 1: so you know I knew right then, like, ah, yeah, 1350 01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean that can happen to me. Man, I can't. 1351 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play anymore. And heaven forbid that happen. 1352 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, you're worse. You spent four years playing with 1353 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,760 Speaker 1: Lebron and you're watching him do what he does in 1354 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,920 Speaker 1: year seventeen. How do you think he's been able to 1355 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,200 Speaker 1: maintain this level of play because we've never seen a 1356 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 1: guy played this well this late into their career. We 1357 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,639 Speaker 1: can debate Chris, we can debate who's the gold, who's 1358 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,120 Speaker 1: had the seasons all we want to, but we can't 1359 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,000 Speaker 1: debate this. Nobody has ever played this well this late 1360 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,559 Speaker 1: into an NBA career. You know, what man, He puts 1361 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,360 Speaker 1: so much into his body so early. Everybody is just 1362 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:20,760 Speaker 1: now being able to kind of see the benefits that 1363 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,160 Speaker 1: he's reaping. But he's put in the work. He was 1364 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,479 Speaker 1: stretching twice a day, had a trainer, was doing all 1365 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the things when we were in our early twenties. I 1366 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,879 Speaker 1: remember seeing him and he has a guy that stretches 1367 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,040 Speaker 1: him and they're doing tissue work and all this kind 1368 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,880 Speaker 1: of thing. Even if I wanted to do it, I 1369 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: don't even know where to start, right, you know. So 1370 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,120 Speaker 1: just his foresight back then to take care of his body, 1371 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,639 Speaker 1: do the right things, invest in himself. Now he's reaping 1372 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,000 Speaker 1: the benefits. Now he can combine that want and that 1373 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: drive with physically actually being able to do it and 1374 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: compete for championships. And you know, Mike Jordan, man, he 1375 01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, we it was all real to us, Mike 1376 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Jordan and Kobe. They were playing very well at thirty six, 1377 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,919 Speaker 1: you know. So he's thirty five. I know he's like, okay, 1378 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,280 Speaker 1: at least until thirty six plus one more. I'm sure 1379 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,240 Speaker 1: he wants to play this way until he's thirty seven 1380 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,400 Speaker 1: and this sewer he's had after that. But I mean 1381 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: he's put the time in, he's put the work in, 1382 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,040 Speaker 1: he's made the sacrifice, and now he's able to, you know, 1383 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,600 Speaker 1: keep playing bat ball at that level. What do you 1384 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:38,280 Speaker 1: think Lebron's greatest actribute is his longevity, his durability. Never 1385 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,760 Speaker 1: seen anything like it. Play like a guy that plays 1386 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,760 Speaker 1: every night. Every night he plays, you know, and just 1387 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,600 Speaker 1: that has allowed him to be able to do the 1388 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,519 Speaker 1: things that he does. I mean, you know, obviously we 1389 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,559 Speaker 1: can talk about talent, we can talk about the things 1390 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,639 Speaker 1: he can do, but unless you're out there on the court, 1391 01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,040 Speaker 1: you can't do it. He's he's on a tremendous job 1392 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,479 Speaker 1: and taking care of himself and really dedicating himself to 1393 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: the stretching, the treatments, the weight room, uh, you know 1394 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,040 Speaker 1: those other things you don't see eating the rest of 1395 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,679 Speaker 1: the eating. You know, all of those things that allow 1396 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,080 Speaker 1: you to perform on the court, but nobody sees. People 1397 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,920 Speaker 1: always talk about his basketball IQ. Explain to people what 1398 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,840 Speaker 1: basketball IQ wheels, because there are a lot of guys 1399 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 1: that can play. And I don't want to get into 1400 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,320 Speaker 1: the name, but you, like Bruh, you have no idea. 1401 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 1: You can just put the ball in the hoop, but 1402 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:37,040 Speaker 1: you don't understand angles. You don't understand game time situation. 1403 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,560 Speaker 1: You don't file a guy, a guy that's struggling to 1404 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,120 Speaker 1: shoot the ball. You don't find him on a three 1405 01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,479 Speaker 1: point shot. Right, you don't give the guy, you don't 1406 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 1: give up the faceline to the right head. The guy 1407 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,760 Speaker 1: on the right side thinks of that nature. So talk 1408 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,160 Speaker 1: about Lebron's basketball IQ, Well, I mean he's he's made 1409 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,720 Speaker 1: that commitment to to mentally dive into those things that. Okay, 1410 01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:01,439 Speaker 1: this particular player he's really good at, you know too, dribble, 1411 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,320 Speaker 1: pull up, going left, make sure you force him right, 1412 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,559 Speaker 1: and then you store that in your brain because you're 1413 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna play these guys. If I'm playing Bradley Bill, I 1414 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 1: need to be able to call on a drop what 1415 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: his best move is, right to dribble, dribble, step back, 1416 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,800 Speaker 1: watch the film, dribble left, step back three, that's his move. 1417 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,439 Speaker 1: You know. So you get to a level and then 1418 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,799 Speaker 1: you start just dissecting guys quickly and you keep storing 1419 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,120 Speaker 1: that information. Then you get to the team. Okay, now 1420 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,240 Speaker 1: you get to the coach. Yeah, this coach runs this 1421 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,760 Speaker 1: set these kind of plays. Okay, this you know this situation, 1422 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,559 Speaker 1: you know, just storing information and just recalling it quickly, quickly, 1423 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,439 Speaker 1: and like, I was always envious of Lebron because for 1424 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: his whole career he's had the ball in his hands. 1425 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,240 Speaker 1: He's six eight and he can see over everybody, you know, 1426 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: so he's like, has the ball in his hands and 1427 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,760 Speaker 1: he can watch the offense move right. I'm a post guy. 1428 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,479 Speaker 1: It's always something behind somebody behind you. Somebody's behind me 1429 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,120 Speaker 1: that I can't see, so you know, Lebron might be looking. 1430 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's behind me. You know, I gotta 1431 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,800 Speaker 1: watch films, so, you know, just him being able to 1432 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,400 Speaker 1: do that for his entire career and combining all that 1433 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: information and just living in it. You know, of course 1434 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, you're gonna be a sure you 1435 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 1: are you surprised that he's playing this well this late, 1436 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: and that he had the Lakers one game away from 1437 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,559 Speaker 1: being world champs. Oh no, not at all. I mean 1438 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,360 Speaker 1: as soon as he went to LA I figured they 1439 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,240 Speaker 1: would have a shot at it. As soon as they 1440 01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,040 Speaker 1: got a d they were you know, they were my 1441 01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,400 Speaker 1: favorites to win it. I mean, you know, just combining 1442 01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,800 Speaker 1: those tremendous talents and then building that team around it 1443 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,000 Speaker 1: and having guys like Frank Vogel, guys like Jason Kidd, 1444 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, guys like Dwight Howard, JaVale McGee with their 1445 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,719 Speaker 1: championship and finals experience, you know, coming in and leading 1446 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: that locker room. I mean, you knew that they were 1447 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,360 Speaker 1: gonna be prime to win one. Uh, they have a chance. 1448 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,040 Speaker 1: They're on the press because of it. Now. They just 1449 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: got to finish it and we'll see if they're able 1450 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: to have a run. D Wade said. Anthony Davis is 1451 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,280 Speaker 1: Lebron James all time best teammate. Do you agree or disagree? 1452 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:22,360 Speaker 1: I disagree he's being humble, I you know, but not 1453 01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,320 Speaker 1: the best, not the best. And I mean, you know, 1454 01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: and and I only say that because what I watched 1455 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Lebron and Dwayne do. I haven't seen anything since it 1456 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: was It was entertaining. You know, it's they're throwing lives 1457 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,240 Speaker 1: off the backboard, They're doing stuff you played nerfball with 1458 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,679 Speaker 1: with your friends in the little league. You know. Just 1459 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 1: the effect that they had on the culture of things 1460 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,559 Speaker 1: and on the game and the way that they were 1461 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,599 Speaker 1: able to combine their styles on it doesn't really make 1462 01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: any sense. They're too most of the ball dominant dominant 1463 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,080 Speaker 1: D look. Actually, Lebron and a D are better fit 1464 01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,439 Speaker 1: because d Wade and Lebron were both ball dominant D. 1465 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,920 Speaker 1: Wade had to sacrifice more than a D ever did 1466 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,160 Speaker 1: because Lebron is really starting the offense through a D 1467 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,600 Speaker 1: now for sure, absolutely, and he's doing that and they 1468 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,759 Speaker 1: can run a screen and roll with AD. We never 1469 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: ran screening rolls until late with you know, with Lebron 1470 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,479 Speaker 1: and D. But like just the way that they were 1471 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,840 Speaker 1: able to combine their forces and figure things out. I mean, 1472 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,120 Speaker 1: I just feel that they that was that was just 1473 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,439 Speaker 1: a great compliment and it was entertaining and just so 1474 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,719 Speaker 1: much so fun to watch. You It was just all good, 1475 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, it was. It wasn't gonna be anything in 1476 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,439 Speaker 1: the media, it wasn't gonna be anything on the court. 1477 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,600 Speaker 1: You were just gonna watch some amazing basketball. Does it 1478 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,879 Speaker 1: help that d Wade and Lebron were such good friends? 1479 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,200 Speaker 1: Lebron and A D are such great friends. Does that 1480 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,240 Speaker 1: really help with how well they mentioned how well they played, 1481 01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,320 Speaker 1: because they they can say things to one another that 1482 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,559 Speaker 1: another team may probably would be unwilling to say and 1483 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,360 Speaker 1: not say. Because they talk about how D Wade Hill 1484 01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,040 Speaker 1: Lebron accountable Lebron Hill d Wade Accountable vice versa with 1485 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,280 Speaker 1: Ada and Lebron. Do you think that that type of 1486 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,800 Speaker 1: relationship helps, Oh yeah, of course. I mean you have 1487 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,720 Speaker 1: to you have to respect the person that you're playing with. 1488 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,519 Speaker 1: You have to be a friend. I mean, you have 1489 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,760 Speaker 1: to care because let me tell you when it's when 1490 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 1: when it's like game six or something and you're dead 1491 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,160 Speaker 1: tired and you have nothing left to give and there's 1492 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:38,360 Speaker 1: still two quarters left, and there's a loose ball. Matter 1493 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,080 Speaker 1: of fact, Lebron through the loose ball. And if if 1494 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't like him to a certain degree, you through that. 1495 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:49,679 Speaker 1: BRONA get you know, I didn't throw it. You gotta 1496 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,400 Speaker 1: go get it, man. And and you have to be 1497 01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,360 Speaker 1: able to sacrifice for each other, and you know, you 1498 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,599 Speaker 1: gotta stay that. That's a huge part of being a team. 1499 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,360 Speaker 1: You have to come together as a team. You gotta 1500 01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,040 Speaker 1: be that solid unit and you know, you just have to. 1501 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,599 Speaker 1: It helps when you like each other because yeah, you're 1502 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to have some uncomfortable conversations some days, and 1503 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,000 Speaker 1: yeah you might have to tell your teammate, yo, you 1504 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,360 Speaker 1: need to play better, right, And you're not given I 1505 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,680 Speaker 1: need more, or you're not that was bull or you know, 1506 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,799 Speaker 1: just to just to keep people accountable. I think that's 1507 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: hugely important. And if you like them, it's it's it 1508 01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,840 Speaker 1: makes it easier. What would a fourth ring for a 1509 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,160 Speaker 1: third team do for Lebron James? Oh, it would be great. 1510 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he you know the way I see it, 1511 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,080 Speaker 1: it's it's a story still being told. You know, I 1512 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,360 Speaker 1: have a little bit of experience with championships. I know 1513 01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,400 Speaker 1: you just want to get there. So actually winning another 1514 01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,680 Speaker 1: one would be of course, anyone you get as tremendous 1515 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,120 Speaker 1: winning it this year in particular r Ip Kobe, you know, 1516 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 1: and winning it for the Lakers, that's a whole you 1517 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,920 Speaker 1: know other thing. Yeah, it's just I mean just Brian 1518 01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,080 Speaker 1: has a whole and this is just me talking. It's 1519 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,920 Speaker 1: not him. He just has a whole other outlook on 1520 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,680 Speaker 1: the game. He's thinking of it as a totality, not 1521 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,720 Speaker 1: so much as a city, a person, a place or 1522 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,839 Speaker 1: a thing. He's like, oh, man, I want with the Lakers, Wow. 1523 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,040 Speaker 1: And then with the Heat backed it back. Oh, and 1524 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: then brought one to Cleveland. I mean just it's it's 1525 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,960 Speaker 1: it's a whole body of work and and I know 1526 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,519 Speaker 1: he's he probably has a number in his head that 1527 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,200 Speaker 1: he could get to. That's possible because he were ahead. 1528 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 1: But Chris, you you heard what they said. Lebron went 1529 01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 1: to the Lakers to retire, spend his last couple of years. 1530 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,040 Speaker 1: He wanted to be close to Hollywood. He wanted to act. 1531 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,400 Speaker 1: He didn't want to be Michael Jordan. He wanted to 1532 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,760 Speaker 1: be Michael B. Jordans. He wanted to You heard it all. 1533 01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,320 Speaker 1: You heard it all. This is what they saying about 1534 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,400 Speaker 1: the man. He came to retire, the historic season that 1535 01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,919 Speaker 1: he had just put up, coming off the NBA Finals, 1536 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 1: he said he going to LA to retire. Nah, I 1537 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,800 Speaker 1: don't think so, not that he'll won't retire in LA. 1538 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: But if they win this fourth one, uh, that's the 1539 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,920 Speaker 1: start of a run. And you know he's in his 1540 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,800 Speaker 1: mind they're going to do this, uh you know until 1541 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean contract. You know, obligations are one thing, but 1542 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, if they can sign a d they're definitely 1543 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:34,160 Speaker 1: gonna try to really really capitalize on on on their situation. 1544 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:39,479 Speaker 1: So I see him continuing to compete for a few years. 1545 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,320 Speaker 1: Everybody asks you this, You played the game, you didn't 1546 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,080 Speaker 1: get it. I don't think you've got an opportunity. You 1547 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,400 Speaker 1: might have played. You might have called Jordan, you called 1548 01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:55,880 Speaker 1: George last in the year after, Yeah, yeah, yeah. You 1549 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,679 Speaker 1: saw the last dance, the last I mean the last 1550 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,840 Speaker 1: dance you played with Lebron on you played in the 1551 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,960 Speaker 1: air with Lebron. When it's all said and done, who's 1552 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna be the goat? Man? Really? Man, that's just a 1553 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,000 Speaker 1: tough situation. I mean, you know, you can't really quantify it. 1554 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,400 Speaker 1: What Lebron has done, it's in its own category. But 1555 01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Kobe did with Jordan, Kareem Bill. I mean, it's really 1556 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 1: hard to really kind of you know, people get very selective. 1557 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,559 Speaker 1: Well he only did oh well, and well these are 1558 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,000 Speaker 1: feats that I feel that never will be. I don't 1559 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,839 Speaker 1: think everybody, nobody will be six and on the finals. 1560 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:44,920 Speaker 1: It just ain't gonna happen, right, that's crazy ten finals 1561 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,720 Speaker 1: and counting, you know, I don't think nobody's gonna do that. 1562 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,800 Speaker 1: They both have a bunch of MVP, They've got all 1563 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,400 Speaker 1: the trophies, you know, those guys Kobe and everybody's talking 1564 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,439 Speaker 1: about the goat. I'm just trying to get in the building, 1565 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,840 Speaker 1: you know what. I mean, it's gonna be. It's gonna 1566 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,280 Speaker 1: be a lot to be said if he win finals MVP. 1567 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,040 Speaker 1: He has four finals MVPs with three different locations, which 1568 01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:11,679 Speaker 1: means he would have led three different teams to the ultimate. 1569 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be. It's gonna it's gonna be tough to 1570 01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,280 Speaker 1: hold him out that conversation. Let me tell you something, man, Man, 1571 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,080 Speaker 1: it will be scholarly debates over this for decades. Yes, 1572 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and you know I know 1573 01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,760 Speaker 1: Lebron wants it that way. He Jordan was our hero. 1574 01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,360 Speaker 1: You know, we all watched Jordan. We all know that. Okay, 1575 01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I'm up against, and man, 1576 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,679 Speaker 1: it is what it is. But for him to actually 1577 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,679 Speaker 1: create a lane for his own self and then they say, hey, man, 1578 01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,280 Speaker 1: he is arguably the greatest of all time, it's nothing 1579 01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,920 Speaker 1: else to talk about, Chris Man. I really appreciate it. Broth, 1580 01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,759 Speaker 1: thanks for sitting down with me and sharing your thoughts 1581 01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:53,360 Speaker 1: about your career and your new music career. Congratulations on 1582 01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,719 Speaker 1: back and when you win that Grammy for Best New Producer, 1583 01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Best New Saul, come back and visit your boy for sure. 1584 01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,120 Speaker 1: For sure, I appreciate that, man. Thanks a lot, Thank 1585 01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,400 Speaker 1: you brother. All my life and running all my life. 1586 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,360 Speaker 1: Sacrifice Hustle Bay The Price Wanna Slice, got the broller 1587 01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,000 Speaker 1: dice to swap all my life. I've been running all 1588 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,040 Speaker 1: my life, All my life and running all my life. 1589 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,040 Speaker 1: Sacrifice Hustle Bay the Price Wanna Slice, got the broller 1590 01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,639 Speaker 1: dice to swap all my life. I've been running all 1591 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,240 Speaker 1: my life.