1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: All right. We have a a lot of people will 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: be relieved that we have a guestless show today. Yeah right. 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why we think they'll be relieved, but. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Well, I've been told by so many people that they 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: like it better when there's no guests, even though you 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: and I are always struggling to find a guest, you know, 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: because I guess for us like we know each other. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: I know your take on stuff because we text a lot. 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: You know, you know mine because I'm super loud. But 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: I guess the people. The listeners occasionally like a break from. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: We just like a family, will keep it close, you know. Honestly, 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for us. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: You know. One of the other things is I always 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: forget to ask for emails. You know, I always forget 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: to promote our email address and tell people to write in. 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: We do it often enough. 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: Well, we get really excited when there's a third so 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: it's natural that sometimes we forget to say the email. 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna remember today because we're actually on our 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: docket is we're going to talk about some of the 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 2: emails that we've gotten. 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: You've been heard all of you. 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: Our email address, by the way, is hot Pursuit at 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot net. And I assure you that we read 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: them and we take them very seriously. Sometimes our feelings 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: are hurt. Sometimes we get excited. 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're right, and our feelings are hurt. 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: Sometimes. I mean I always, I pretty much always respond 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: to someone who writes us emails. 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: So I will say if the grammar, if the sentences 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: are pretty clear, and the grammar is you know, at 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: least eighth grade level, I will respond. Now, you know, 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: if it's just profanity and I can't and I have 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: to read it five times to even make sense of it, 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: I may not respond to that particular note. But if 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: the thoughts are cohesive in general, I'll. 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Tell you what. If it's if it's angry, profane and 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: with horrible grammar, I'm more likely to respond. 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I know that to be true. 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: You will engage, yeah, I you know, my managers recently 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: have told me not to engage on Twitter. 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh. I was told that very early on, and it 46 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: served me well. 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: And we're gonna talk about some of the cars we're 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: driving now. Actually these two things are the emails. At 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: least one of the emails that we got in the 50 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: cars that were driving kind of dovetail because someone said 51 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: that we can be elitist. Maybe I think that. 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Was directed at me. 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: Really, I'll we'll get into it. Yeah, but it is 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: true that we always talk about these incredibly expensive cars. 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: And to be honest, when I get a car that 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: isn't very expensive and doesn't have a big, you know, 57 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 2: throbbing V eight, I almost feel like, not, you know, 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: talking too much about it. But I happen to have 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: a car that's sort of decently affordable this week, and 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: I think is really good. I thought about skipping it 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: because I didn't think anyone was not because I'm elitist, 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: but just because I didn't think you know, it's I 63 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: spend so much time on YouTube looking at people's car reviews, 64 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: and sometimes a dude will be reviewing like the latest 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: Nissan MRSA or whatever. I don't even know if that's 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: a car, and I'll be like, why did he feel 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: compelled to even review this? 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Right? 69 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: But sometimes they're really good. Yeah, and you have an 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 2: affordable ride as well, right? 71 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Oh, completely I'm driving the Fiat five hundred E. It's 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: a thirty four thousand dollars electric car, and I've got 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on it. I am generally positive 74 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: about it. I think it's it's cool. 75 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: Let's start with the five hundred E. I also have 76 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: driven it. I don't know what color yours was. Mine 77 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: was red, which is I think the best color for it. 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: That's fine, but I also am really loving the black. 79 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. Its black with a white interior. 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: I'm seeing a black one on a car and driver. 81 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: I just went to double check the price because it 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: seems like a lot of car for in today's dollars. 83 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Thirty four grand. Right when I was a kid, thirty 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: four grand would get you a sweet Audie, But yeah, 85 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: no longer. 86 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, this car actually, you know, I was thinking, the 87 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: infotainment alone is better than what lots of luxury cars 88 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: had just a few years ago. And this is, you know, 89 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: not really it's a special thing. But I don't know 90 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: if I would really call it a luxury car. But 91 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: it has kind of everything you need and nothing you 92 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: don't need. 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: We'll get into whether you would call it a luxury 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: car or not later. 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: It's special. I'll say that it's special. 96 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: You know. 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: First of all, I love the heritage. This is such 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: a beloved make and model. I have to say I 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: was I did visit the old Fiat factory, and driving 100 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: this really makes me. It feels like it's it is 101 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: where it came from. It feels like it's this tiny 102 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: car that came from Italy, and you just it does 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: still carry sort of that feeling of dulcea Vita, and 104 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: it has a certain charm about it that I really like. 105 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's of course very small. I 106 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: certainly have gotten more people honking at me in this 107 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: car in an angry way because I'm zipping in and 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: out of traffic, and this than than the Corvette, than 109 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the Mercedes, and the Rolls Royce, than any other fancy thing, 110 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: because this is so zippy and small and it's electric, 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: so it's really quick and I'm all over the place 112 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: in it, and it's actually pretty fun. 113 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: And you're more confident than you can make the gap 114 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: right because you'll. 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Get half a car. It's half a car length. I 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: do really think if you are going to drive an 117 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: electric car, the world would be a better place if 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: every electric car was this. Can you imagine it's true? 119 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you get the feeling that you could run 120 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: over somebody and it would be okay. You know, the 121 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: car might just bounce off. 122 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: It's just a little love nudge. 123 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: I also thought at the time, you know, your definition 124 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: of luxury is a little different than mine and I 125 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: actually last time we talked about this, you pointed out 126 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: you think a luxury product should have like if it's 127 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: if it presents as wood, it should be real wood. 128 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's a really cool definition of and 129 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: handcrafted and all these things. I think you're right about 130 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: heritage I tend to think about. I was just thinking 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: of luxury as something that's like special and stands out, 132 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: and definitely for this category, this car is special and 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: stands out. Your other choices are like, you know, the 134 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: Chevy Spark, I don't know if they make that anymore, 135 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: the Honda Fit, which isn't luxury, you know, But this is, 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: in terms of small cars, easily the most stylish. Yeah, 137 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: the one that you feel proudest of when you're driving. 138 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it comes from a very specific philosophy about 139 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: life and about cars. And it looks similar to the 140 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: generations that came before it. It's really drawing on decades 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: of people, real people working to develop and evolve this idea. 142 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Like the car is an idea and you can feel 143 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: it when you're in the car. And to me, that 144 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: is a special cool thing. When I say if something 145 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: is luxury or not, that's not a value judgment, that's 146 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: not a character judgment. To me, that is simply a 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: label like you would put on any other things. I 148 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: would certainly label this five hundred e as a very 149 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: special cool thing. For sure, it's not necessarily a luxury car. 150 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: But who cares. 151 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: No, you're saying the way you would say it's round. 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: You have a definition for round things. 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: That definition exactly exactly. 154 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you care if something is round or not, 155 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: or opaque or soft or you know. I totally get 156 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: what you're saying. This car is another of the reason 157 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: vehicles I've driven where I'm shocked that the zero to 158 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: sixty time isn't as quick as I thought it would be. 159 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking it up again on Car and Driver, and 160 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: I see zero to sixty in seven point eight seconds, 161 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: and I would have thought it's closer to five. I 162 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: was zipping all over the place in this vehicle. 163 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it feels really quick. It's not necessarily quick, 164 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: and honestly, sometimes I kind of forget that I'm driving. 165 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: It's not a golf cart level, but it's it's a 166 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: couple steps. 167 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: No, that's why. That's why I think it feels like 168 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: so much more special than other cars. It feels so 169 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: much more. It feels like it should be so much 170 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: more expensive because you're not comparing it to an Audi 171 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: A eight. You're not comparing it to a Corvette Stingray. 172 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: You're not comparing it to a nine to eleven obviously, 173 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: or even a mini van or an suv or whatever. 174 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: It's it feels like its own class a vehicle. 175 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Right, it's not trying to be something else. Yeah, it 176 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: is what it is. And I also have to say, 177 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm tall, you're tall. Obviously, the back seat 178 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: is minimal, but the front two seats there's lots of headroom. 179 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: You know. The visibility is awesome. Now, I will say, 180 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: the one thing that I hate about it is when 181 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: you turn it on and off, there's this little jingle 182 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: that sounds like a child's toy. I mean, it literally 183 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: sounds like you're in Walmart and you're walking down the 184 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: aisle of children's toys and they're going off. It's so annoying. 185 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: I don't know why they put that in there, and 186 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: it's it happens every time you turn the car on 187 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: and off. 188 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Take that. 189 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so it may feels like it. 190 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: Look look, I wouldn't get this. I mean maybe some 191 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 2: urban night would, especially like a millennial or a gen Z, 192 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: get this as a main mode of transportation. For me, 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: this would be like a third car, you know, on 194 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: the estate. 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: On more of like a esoteric level. I've thought I 196 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: can't drive this because people won't take me seriously if 197 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: I pull up in this. 198 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: We need to see a shrink, you know. I think 199 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: you're probably right. I feel the same way, but I 200 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: need to then reevaluate my life. 201 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe that's a me problem. 202 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: The cool thing is it has decent range, like one 203 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty miles, right. I charged this thing up. 204 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: I charged it up from like zero to ninety six 205 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: when I had to hand it back in, and it 206 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: took me way less than an. 207 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: Hour, way less than the Hummer. 208 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, the Hummer, but that's a totally different 209 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: size of battery pack, right, I mean the Hummer has 210 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: I think it's like two and ten killoot battery pack, 211 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: and this thing is going to be more like fifty. 212 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: But it's just easy to live with. And you're right. 213 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: I'm six three, two hundred pounds and I fit in 214 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: it with no problems whatsoever. The tech feels like up 215 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: to date, yeah, and super intuitive. So I liked it 216 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: as well. I wonder if you get the seventy five 217 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: one hundred dollars tax credit, because if you do, and 218 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: then to New York has another two thousand, so that's 219 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: basically another tan grand off. You could get this thing 220 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: for twenty five large. 221 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about the price of a motorcycle. 222 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: Well a good motorcycle, right, I mean you could get 223 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: a KTM thirteen ninety super duke for that. I am 224 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: driving another Stilantis product right now. That totally reminded me 225 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: of like a big version of this, or more so 226 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: an Alfa Romeo. So I'm driving a Dodge Hornet, the 227 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Dodge Hornet. Oh, have a special place 228 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: in my heart for mopar as you know, So I was, 229 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: so I'm guess, I guess when I get in I'm 230 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: already kind of liking it a little bit because it's Dodge, 231 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: but it's not obviously a V eight or you know, 232 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: a big cop car or a Durango. You know, it's 233 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: it's a pretty small suv. But it's got a ton 234 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: of room in the front for me, certainly enough that 235 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: I am very comfortable. It's super zippy because I'm driving 236 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: the hybrid model. It has, you know, the electric pickup aspect. 237 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: It's a mild mild hybrid, right. 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: Yes, it's well, no, it's a plug in hybrid. Oh 239 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: it is, yeah, yeah. Oh, it also has great tech. 240 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they're the same company, so they're using 241 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: kind of the same tech. But I thought, man, this 242 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: really feels like an Alfa Romeo. And then I dug 243 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: a little deeper and found that it uses the exact 244 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: same powertrain as the Alpha Romeo Tonali, and they're built 245 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 2: on the same obviously platform, so it's it's basically like 246 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: an Alfa Romeo. I would definitely get this instead of 247 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: the Alpha. 248 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: Just because you like an American label. 249 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: Well also because it's a lot cheaper than the Alpha, 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: about ten thousand dollars less. So I guess if you're 251 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: really a bad snob, which I've heard recently that would 252 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: be a great name for a podcast maybe for us 253 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: oh bad snobs. Then I guess you need the alpha, 254 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: especially if you're like you want everyone to know you're 255 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: a car person. 256 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: Because I actually liked the look of the alpha too. 257 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: The Alpha, I thought looks pretty. 258 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: I guess, but I'm I would try not to be 259 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: a bad snob. And I also don't subscribe to the theory 260 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: that every true lover of cars has owned an Alfa 261 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Romeo at some point, oh no, in her or his life. 262 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: You know what is that a Clarkson line? That's a 263 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: Jeremy Clarkson line? 264 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: I think, is it? Really? 265 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: You know? 266 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: I have to say I went to a friend's studio 267 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: on Monday evening and he had five read Alpha Romeos 268 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: from the sixties lined up in that studio. And this 269 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: is in Vernon, which is sort of an industrial section 270 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, and we went out for a little ride. 271 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: This was a sixty seven Alpha Romeo. 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 2: And you know what, Carson had five Alfa Romeos in 273 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: a studio. Yes, so in New York that would mean 274 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: a one room apartment. What is a studio? 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: A big studio? Warehouse. Oh, it's his art studio. He's 276 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: an artist. It's his art studio. He's got an earlierhouse. Yes, 277 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: yes he is. These are really these are really nice cars. 278 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: But he and I felt a little bad because he 279 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: is very excited about them and loves them, and they 280 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: are cool. But for whatever reason, Alphas just have never 281 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: been my thing. And when we went out driving in this, 282 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, little cute Alpha Romeo nineteen sixty seven, I 283 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: couldn't help but thinking, but be thinking of all the 284 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: air cooled nine to elevens from that same era that 285 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,239 Speaker 1: I've been in and driven that were just better. Yeah, 286 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: And you know, and. 287 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm also far more expensive, right, because you can. The 288 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: thing about an Alpha is you can get one for 289 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: easily project car prices. 290 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: These were around. The one that we were in in particular, 291 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: was I think probably around fifty thousand dollars. Some of 292 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: the others that he had there were a lot more expensive, 293 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: but at the time I think they were comparably priced. 294 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, nine to eleven's at the time, if you 295 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: just got a little Carrera, that's not that wasn't an 296 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: expensive car necessarily better. 297 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: If I could go back in time and get a 298 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: carera for MSR. I know, right, yeah, I know or anything. 299 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, are you really an 300 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Alpha get I'm not. 301 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you what. I will say that 302 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: I do love the Alfa Romeo Julia and doesn't even 303 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: have to be a Quadrifoglio I and I have a 304 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: huge amount of respect for someone who buys that rather 305 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: than a BMW three series, because you're taking the road 306 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: less traveled. Certainly in America you are, and. 307 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm definitely thinking different. 308 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: I've read incredible reviews about it. I haven't driven it, 309 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's It's amazing. So I like new Alphas. 310 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: I just don't have a soft spot in my heart 311 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: for the old ones, which is what the kids like, 312 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: the collectors want the oldest. I think Clarkson wasn't talking 313 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: about a new Alpha Romeo. 314 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: These are classics and the people who have them, at 315 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: least in Los Angeles. I'm friends with a couple of them. 316 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: They're obsessed. They love them. They think everyone you know, 317 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: they're ahead of the game. They're smarter than everyone because 318 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: they are picked up on something that I admittedly am 319 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: not picking up on. I don't necessarily get it. I'd 320 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: rather have an old Corvette. 321 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know me too. 322 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: Well, the people who love them love them. 323 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: We're super American, Hannah, Yeah, we're proud of that. I 324 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: So this, this Dodge Hornet that I drove, has a 325 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: one point three liter in line four. 326 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds small, I. 327 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: Know, but it doesn't feel that small because it's got 328 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: the electric assist to combine for two hundred and eighty 329 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: eight horse power and it's not a big vehicle zero 330 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: to sixty and five and a half seconds. But again, 331 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: I would have thought, just driving it, you know, before 332 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: reading the stats, that it was faster. So my seat 333 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: of the pants Dino feels the boost and it does 334 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: have a boost. It'll temporarily give you an extra thirty 335 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: horse power if you use the power shot, which is 336 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: what they call it when you pull on both paddle shifters. 337 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're driving a small family 338 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: suv and you're pulling both power paddle shifters for a 339 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: power shot, wow, that's a very Dodge. 340 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: Sho I have a power shot every morning, you know, 341 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: with breakfast. 342 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: I just thought it was a really fun car, and 343 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: it isn't that inexpensive for a Dodge Hornet. You would 344 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: expect to be able to save a lot of money 345 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: by buying that, but it starts at like forty five 346 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: grand and goes up from there. So I configured one 347 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: on the inner net myself and got to like fifty five, 348 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: which is a pretty solid price. 349 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: What do you think about this whole sort of reusing 350 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: old names from the past with new cars, Because when 351 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: you first said Dodge Hornet, I immediately thought, AMC Hornet 352 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: And now I'm already down the road thinking about, you know, 353 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: the old hornets from the seventies. 354 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: And I mean a lot of people, especially mopar fans, 355 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: who get angry. 356 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: About this, Yeah, I would get. 357 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind it. I mean I understand 358 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: why sort of purists, historians, collectures would be unhappy about it. 359 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: I don't care. 360 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: You don't find it confusing. 361 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: No, because I'm not buying like sixties or seventies cars 362 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: very often. Yeah, and I like the Mopar of today. 363 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: I sure didn't like if you talk to me about 364 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: sixties or seventies muscle cars, I'm pretty much thinking about 365 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: like a Mustang, sure, a Camaro, Sure, maybe a Firebird. 366 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't you have to get really into it before 367 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: you start thinking about I mean the challenger and charger 368 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: beyond the dukes of hazard car. Like, you know, they've 369 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: only become recently such big deals, right, I mean the 370 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: Barracuda was huge then and is huge now, But for 371 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: the intervening forty years, I don't think anyone talked about it. 372 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so not a big deal. Like basically for you, Hey, 373 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the world has changed, We're in a new regime, a 374 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: new paradigm. 375 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like using old the old stuff on new products, 376 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: even if they're a little bit different. For the most part. 377 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: You know, there are some instances where, for example, I 378 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: can't stand the fact that the that Ford calls the 379 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 2: mock e Mustang a mustard. 380 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to bring that up. No, that 381 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: also seems like a misnomer. And then we go down 382 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: the road of and I think we've spoken about this, 383 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: but why are you calling an electric vehicle a turbo? 384 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: You know? 385 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: I hate that. By the way, this is the first 386 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: company that I saw doing that. 387 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: Of course, And then it's like, well, does any word 388 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: mean anything? Does anyone remember laughter? Yes, it's like words 389 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: mean not Okay, I guess we're just calling whatever we 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: want now for anything, even calling you know, sport coops 391 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: like BMW with their sport coops that are four door cars, 392 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: even though I'm like. 393 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean, nothing is as bad as using the wrong numbers. Right, 394 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: So if a BMW, you know, it used to be 395 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: a three twenty five meant that it had a two 396 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: point five liter a motor in it. But now now 397 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: if you get BMW, say five forty, it doesn't anymore 398 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: mean that there's a four leader VA it probably still 399 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: has a three leader in line six, And I think 400 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: that's just really too misleading. 401 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it would be nice if there were 402 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: a correlation, if only because then it would be logical 403 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: and you could kind of just look at the name 404 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: of something and know what it is. 405 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 406 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Now, maybe not necessarily. 407 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: No, but I will say, just to put a bow 408 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: on it. We liked those two Stilantis inexpensive. I mean, 409 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 2: I find it hard to say forty five thousand dollars 410 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: vehicles inexpensive, but you know they're not priced vehicles. Yeah, 411 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: I will say that. I'm also driving right now, or 412 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: just picked up this morning, a ram truck and it 413 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: has it's the first time I've driven a ram truck. 414 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: You know they don't have V eights anymore, so it's 415 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: not the no none wow. So it's got the hurricane 416 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: in line six that I've been so bowld sean over 417 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: the past few months. And I did really like that 418 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: motor and some other configurations. For example, I drove it 419 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: in jeep that I thought was really great. But when 420 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: I get into this big ram truck that I'm driving 421 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: right now, and I don't feel the warmth or the 422 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: vibes the size. You know, you can feel a V 423 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: eight and I don't feel that. It's just too disappointing 424 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: for me to accept that's fair. And I don't know 425 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: if that's because I'm a redneck. You know that I'm 426 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: from the great state of Ohio. Like me and JD. Vance, 427 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: when we drive pickup trucks, they have to have V 428 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: eights in them. As I don't think he said that 429 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: yet platform and no no, I mean. And also even 430 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: if he doesn't think that now, he could think it 431 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: next year because his views changed that much. But I 432 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: don't want to get too political here. The point is 433 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: an American V eight need an American pickup truck needs 434 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: to have a V eight. And I've always been unhappy 435 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: with ford hip down to the eco boost, especially for 436 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: the Raptor. I don't think it's forgivable for RAM. It's 437 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: even less forgivable for RAM because at least you know, 438 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: Bill Ford is like a Sierra Club guy. Yeah, mopar 439 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: is supposed to be polluting. 440 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get on board with that, 441 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: but I will say I don't think at this point, 442 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that the V eight will never come 443 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: back for the RAM. Now. I am not following what's 444 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: happening in RAM truck world as close as I am 445 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: in other worlds, but I have to say I've noticed 446 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: among super cars and higher end cars that people are 447 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: now putting in V twelves and even V sixteen's back 448 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: into cars. So I kind of wonder, you know, for 449 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: a while, I thought, Okay, everyone's everyone's trying to do 450 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: the four cylinder with the hybrid, and they're downsizing on 451 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the engines. But there could be the beginnings of a 452 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: swing in the other direction at yes, yes, what do 453 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: you think about that idea? 454 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it's only when you get 455 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: to the rarefied air of like two hundred thousand or more. 456 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: Could those be leading indicators and the other other segments 457 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: then follow along. 458 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: I don't think so, because take the jeep Wrangler for example. 459 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: You can get a V eight and the jeep Wrangler 460 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: Ford take note, right, But the problem is it's going 461 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: to cost you one hundred thousand dollars to buy a 462 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: jeep Wrangler. And I think that's just all about regulations. Now, 463 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: speaking of JD Vance, who knows if the next administration 464 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: just actses those regulations. We've already seem the Supreme Court 465 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: neuter the EPA in a sense, But I don't think 466 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: it's going I don't think we're going back, you know. 467 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: I think that for me to want a V eight 468 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: or twelve or sixteen, I can still feel like maybe 469 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm the one buying that, and you guys are all 470 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: buying Fiat five hundred ease. When Jim Farley puts out 471 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: a V eight, or if he ever wanted to make 472 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: something bigger, he has to think about the fact that, 473 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: hopefully for a good business case, tens of thousands of 474 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: people are going to get them, and then he can't 475 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: sleep as well because he's really contributing to global warming. 476 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: So maybe the higher count cylinder engines are really status symbols. Yes, 477 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: going forward. 478 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: I think they now. Your point, the point you always make, 479 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: I think is a good one. It's not that you 480 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: can't buy a V ten anymore. You can, you just 481 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: can't buy one new. Sure, there's no way to buy 482 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: a production car new with a V ten now ever 483 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: since the end of the Lamborghini Hurrican. It's over. 484 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, although you know what we should talk about this 485 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: because speaking of Lamborghini, this company called Centrica just announced 486 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: that they hired Marizio Reggiani, the former head of engineering 487 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: at Lamborghini, to be a consultant for their car in 488 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: doing a restomd V twelve Countosh, did you see this story? 489 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: I did. 490 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's an exissive vehicle. 491 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: And also it's the kind of company that I think 492 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: you don't like very much, right, correct. 493 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: I knew you're gonna say that, and I wasn't going 494 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: to bring it up myself, But yeah, I love it. 495 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: Correct when they go out and I rebuild a dream vehicle, 496 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: just making it better and easier to use, I know, after. 497 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm eating my own words right now. I look forward 498 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: to evaluating the car in person in Monterey in August. 499 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I will be on site and doing a deep dive 500 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: with the physical car that they assure me is drivable 501 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: in August. So I will be very excited to report back. 502 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: And obviously I'm skeptical, but I have to say what 503 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: disarmed me with this particular instance because they had emailed 504 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: me multiple times to try to get me to cover 505 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: the company, and I basically ignored them. When they told 506 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: me Reggiani was on board, that's when I started talking 507 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: to them, And that's the truth. Well, by the way, 508 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: he's he's really really well respected. Yeah. 509 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is I always say about Revology 510 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: that I have extra respect and admiration for the company 511 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: because they brought in exactly who was in charge of 512 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: SVT for Ford. So if he's going to be making 513 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: if anyone's going to be making a Ford Mustang, I 514 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: guess restro mod isn't the right word for it, because 515 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: they're just building a new car from scratch. But I 516 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 2: trust Tom and Revology to do it. In terms of 517 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: eccentrica which I hadn't heard about until Laura, but Laura 518 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: Butler did an Instagram video about some kind of beefed 519 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: up lambeau that they put out. Aren't they building a 520 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: Diablo or is it the Kuntash? 521 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry, did I say Kuontosh? Yes, strike that it's 522 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: it's the Diablo. It's the V twelve Diablo from ninety to. 523 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: Me, the nineteen ninety that's even cooler, right because the 524 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Coontash is like everybody now wants the coon Tash and 525 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: the Diablo is the one. Like, I guess it's my age. 526 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm fifty. Of course I thought the Coontash was amazing 527 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, but by the time I 528 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: got to high school and my roadent track came on 529 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: a regular basis, it was the Diablo that was on 530 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: the cover, So that was like, my era really is 531 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: the Diablo era, not the Couontosh era. So I think 532 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: it's pretty cool that they're that they're rebuilding that. How 533 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: much though, is it going to cost? 534 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's one point three million euro and they're 535 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: only making nineteen This is why we get accused of 536 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: being elitist. My goal with sharing this information is that 537 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people kind of want to 538 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: know what's going on. Just like you say, the Diablo 539 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: is a poster car, the Coontash is a poster car. 540 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: We not me, Other people grew up idolizing these cars. 541 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: You're just interested to know, and it's really fun to dream. 542 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: It's really fun to imagine. I think dreaming is so important. 543 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: I dream about things. You know. Obviously this stuff is aspirational. 544 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: Neither you nor I can afford it, but it's really 545 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: fun to know about and to talk about and to imagine. 546 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: If we won the lottery, Yeah, this is what we 547 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: would buy. 548 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could go back in time and buy 549 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: bitcoin for seventy five dollars a piece, which is what 550 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: I should have done at the time, then I will 551 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: definitely buy one of Eccentrica's new diablos. Speaking of talking 552 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: about cars that no one can afford, shoul we get 553 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: to emails? 554 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to the email. 555 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: Because we got an email. I'll we'll use first names, 556 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: right because I don't s Yeah. 557 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: No, We're not trying to er anyone out. 558 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to dox anybody. But we got an 559 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: email from David. Yes, who is someone who I think 560 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: it started listening and maybe was turned off, but he's 561 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: hopefully going to come back. 562 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: Or maybe diego. He did sign the email diego, but 563 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: the email address was David Well. 564 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: Now, you've added him. Because if somebody knows a guy 565 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: whose nickname is Diego, but they happen to know his 566 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: birth name is David, or would it be the other 567 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: way around. 568 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: I figure each either were first names only. 569 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: I love the subject header because it says enjoy your 570 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: podcast but dot dot and I was like, oh man, 571 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to open this one. 572 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I know I got to wait to get a coffee first. 573 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: To be fair, more that we get more critical emails 574 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: about me because I'm so excited about stuff and I 575 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: talk over you all the time, and I'm like, oh, 576 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm kind of a bulldozer. 577 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: I have to say, first off, I really agree with 578 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: a couple points in this email, and one of the 579 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: number one point that I agree with is that Matt 580 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: Miller is our best on air talent and is very 581 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: beloved and really one of the shining stars of Bloomberg. 582 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: And thank you for making that point. And you're so right, 583 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: and you know, he's a delight to work with and 584 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: everyone does just a dorm so you're one hundred percent correct. 585 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: That's so kind. I don't I mean, there, we have 586 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: such amazing on air talent. I wouldn't put myself in that. 587 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I do love Carol and Tim as well. 588 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so the idea so his email. Basically, the idea 589 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: is we you and I were having this discussion about 590 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: whether the new Corvette can be classed as a supercar, 591 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: and I think not only is it a supercar, but 592 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: I think it's better than the other supercars out there. 593 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: We're not talking about hypercars. We're not talking about Pegani 594 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: or Koenig Zag or even Bugatti, you know, but I 595 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: think compared to the Ferraris and the Lamborghinis in its class, 596 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: the Corvette can keep up, if not beat them around 597 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: a track, and it's more affordable. So for me, it's 598 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: kind of a no brainer. 599 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: Okay, here's a counterpoint. A supercar, by my definition and 600 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: by most definition, must be a superlative luxury car. It 601 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: must have always been conceived and designed since its beginning 602 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: and since its inception as the superlative. A Corvette is 603 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: a mass produced, affordable V eight that is commonly known 604 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: as America's sports car that has That is how it 605 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: was conceived, and that is how it is it continues today. Now. 606 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I do agree, yes, it can keep up with performance 607 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: cars from Ferrari and Lamborghini, but the mark of a 608 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: supercar is not simply performance. If that was a case, 609 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: we could throw a Tesla modeless in there too, because 610 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: a Tesla modelsque can keep up. You know, it's just 611 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: as fast as Ferrari's and Lamborghinis. And I would also 612 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: say not every Ferrari and Lamborghini is a supercar either. 613 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: But that's really what wherement comes down to. And I 614 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: would say, again, this is not a value judgment. It's 615 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: not a mark on how great I think the Corvette is. 616 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: I am a I'm a Corvette owner. I do love Corvettes. 617 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: This is a performance oriented sports car, okay, which is 618 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: how it has been conceived and how it remains. 619 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: So I'll just interpret first. I'll say there are ts 620 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: La freaks who would say that it's a supercar. The 621 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Tesla is a super If you're someone who thinks that, 622 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: please don't email us because I don't even want to 623 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: talk about that. 624 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: You can email me because I got a lot of buzz. 625 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: But I'm so you're saying that it's got to be 626 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: conceived from gen one as a supercar. I don't think 627 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: that if GM your car. If GM says listen, we're 628 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: gonna keep the name Corvette. This is gonna still be 629 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: called a Corvette, but we're gonna change things to the 630 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: extent that for the first time ever, we're gonna move 631 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: the engine from the front of the car to behind 632 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: the driver, and we're gonna make it like a flat 633 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: plane crank like a Ferrari, but even better because it's 634 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: gonna be five and a half leads. And I mean, 635 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: Corvette has done so many things on this vehicle that 636 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: they hadn't done for the first seven generations that I 637 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: feel like it could be a completely different product. 638 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Are wonderful and they certainly have enhanced the performance and 639 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. And you know, one argument that our friends 640 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: made in his email too was that Corvettes are are 641 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: far more reliable than Ferraris and Lamborghinis, which it will 642 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: get will give you the bit of the of the 643 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: doubt if they are. Again, reliability is not a mark 644 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: of a supercar. In fact, it's often sing and the. 645 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: Supercar has to be unreliable. 646 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying calling 647 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the Corvette reliable doesn't make it a supercar. Also, the 648 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: Jerry performance car, it's America sports car. I mean, this 649 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: is how it's always been known. 650 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: The jury is still out on the Zeo sich motor, 651 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: right because those things shake like crazy. Yes, but I think, 652 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: I think, I think it's important to point out that 653 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: it could also be better build quality. You know, there 654 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: are a lot of Ferraris and Lamborghinis that roll off 655 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: the line where the suede starts to peel, you know, 656 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: or Matt, you don't. 657 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: Know that, yes, carfeited. You're right to critique when you 658 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: said that you have not driven a Ferrari. 659 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have driven an FF and I 660 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: did take out, I did take I had that one 661 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: for a week. I did take Sergio's La Ferrari for 662 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: a spin around his own personal car the parking lot. No, 663 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 2: but if I if I read about, for example, the 664 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: sticky buttons when the three to eight went to a 665 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: three twenty eight, right, Like, even though I haven't driven 666 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 2: a magnum p I Ferrari, I've spent dozens of hours 667 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: reading about them, and so you know, you just know 668 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: that the build quality on some of these vehicles isn't perfect. 669 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time in Lamborghini's It's my 670 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: favorite brand of car, and yet I know that the 671 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: build quality just isn't quite there. 672 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: Oh it's well, it's far better than a lot of automakers. 673 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: I can last. 674 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: Well, this Ce Corvette that I spent a week in 675 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: was very good. 676 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: In terms of that's wonderful. Again, that's wonderful. You know. 677 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: Not every Ferrari is a supercar. I would say, Okay, 678 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: as you mentioned threeh eight, I've I've owned and driven 679 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: a three eight. Well, my husband owned it. I've driven it. 680 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: That's not a supercar. And again that's not a knock 681 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: on the car. It's a great it's fun. It's a 682 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: fun car. 683 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: You know. 684 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: I will say this. You are right, David slash Diego. 685 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: I might be elite that that may be true, because 686 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: I do believe that some cars are better than others. 687 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: I do belie believe that cars should be beautiful. I 688 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 1: want cars to feel special. I want them to be 689 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: well made, and I don't think those things necessarily have 690 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: to be expensive. Okay, unfortunately sometimes they are, but I 691 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: don't think they have to be. I think everybody deserves 692 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: to have things that are beautiful and well made and fun. 693 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll just say please write in with your 694 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 2: take on whether or not a Corvette is a supercar. 695 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: Our email is hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot Net. Moving 696 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 2: on to the next email, Christopher writes in and says 697 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 2: the subject header your interaction and I knew that what 698 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: this was going to say. I'll just read a short 699 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: piece of it. I'm sure Matt's obvious enthusiasm is unforced, 700 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: but it does lead to him talking over Hannah and 701 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: interrupting her. This is particularly notable, and Hannah is saying 702 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: something more substantive, and it does occur much too often 703 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: for me. I will say that my wife says the 704 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: same thing, and she listened to all of our podcasts, 705 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: and I that I do it. I know that I 706 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: do it, and I hate that I do it. And 707 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 2: I don't know why. There's something inside me that just 708 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: has to always come out because you're enthusiastic. 709 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: Ye, you're passionate. I don't blame you for it. There 710 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: are people who have told me I need to interject 711 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: more and I need to butt in more. You know 712 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily my style. I'm not a screamer, and 713 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: you know I'm a journalist, so my natural instinct is 714 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: to just ask questions and listen, which is great, but 715 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't always make for great podcasting. So you know, 716 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: I think it doesn't bother me. Maybe I don't know 717 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: how you feel about it. I should probably interject more. 718 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: I just don't like interrupting people. 719 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it bothers me because when I thought about 720 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: doing this podcast, the whole idea is I would interview Hannah. 721 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 2: So anyway, I'll try and stop it. I'm trying already. 722 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, don't go change. And I mean 723 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: your enthusiasm and passion for everything is so people love it. 724 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what makes you great. I'm more reserved anyway, Okay, 725 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: all right. 726 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 2: I got an email from We got an email from Doug. Yes, 727 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: and I immediately Yeah, I knew I was gonna love 728 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: it. It says wagon Race exclamation point. By the way, I 729 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: use exclamation points a lot, maybe too much colloquially. I mean, 730 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm excited about stuff, he says. I've been loving my 731 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: tayekon Cross Charismo a lot. I would argue that even 732 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: though it's a full ev it has soul and looks 733 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: and drives. 734 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome love it, And I love the double exclamation 735 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: mark in that email. Looking at it right now. 736 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 2: I think, man, I would love to drive a Techon 737 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: Cross Charismo, especially the Cross Trismo I think is way 738 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: better looking than the original, which is already pretty pretty handsome. 739 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: Right, I had that a few years ago and thought 740 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: it was awesome, Like make more of them. 741 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're with you, Doug. We like that vehicle. 742 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: And the only sort of debatable point is he says 743 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 2: it has soul, And definitely from the design standpoint, it 744 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 2: has soul, especially the wagon, right, does it have sold 745 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: to drive an electric vehicle like that? 746 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: Look? If Doug says that it does for him, I 747 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: will never say that his experience is not valid. His 748 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: experience is his experience for me. I don't know if 749 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: I would say that EV's have soul. I know Portious 750 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: tagline for its evs are soul electrified. I've joked that 751 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: it's actually soul electrocuted. So I don't know if I 752 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: would say that. But I'm not gonna quibble with Doug 753 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: about how much he loves his wagon because it's obviously 754 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: evoking reaction emotion. So you know, if you equate soul 755 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: with some sort of emotional attachment, there you go. 756 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 2: So he says, maybe we should do a show about 757 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: just the top ice wagons. I think we could throw 758 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: electric ones in there too. He mentions a few examples, 759 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 2: the Murk, Audi Evant all the XC. Yeah. You know, 760 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: the first car I ever bought with my own money 761 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 2: was two thousand and one Audi, a four Avant two 762 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: point five TDI love with a stick and love. 763 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: Wait is that the one you crashed? 764 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: No? 765 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: No, okay, okay. 766 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 2: I had that for a few years in Germany, so 767 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 2: I got to drive it on the Autobahn. Like I said, 768 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: it's a TDI, so it didn't have a super high 769 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: top speed, but I was regularly downhill. I could get 770 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 2: a two hundred twenty kilometers an hour wow. And then 771 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 2: I moved to London, so I had to sell it, 772 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: but it was I think one of the best cars. 773 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: You know. 774 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm often asked why don't automakers make more wagons, And 775 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: I don't really have a good answer for that, other 776 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: than whenever I asked them, they tell me no one 777 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: buys them. 778 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 779 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: But like it's like every car person and every rider 780 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: for Jelopnik wants more wagons, and I guess maybe we 781 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: need to talk to more people. 782 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: But by the way, the first performance car I ever 783 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 2: drove as a kid was an Audi RS two. Oh, 784 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 2: that's a buddy of mine had one. A buddy of 785 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 2: my father's had one in Cologne and he let me 786 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,479 Speaker 2: drive that. 787 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: Which was so that would have been in the nineties. 788 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 2: Ye, in the nineties in the Wow, that's pretty. 789 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: Early in Audi's you know, evolution. 790 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: And then one of the coolest like racy wagons was 791 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 2: the RS six in Layer Cake. Have you seen that? 792 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: No? Oh, yes, because you told me to watch it. Yeah, 793 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: that is a very cool film. 794 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 2: It's like my favorite, my favorite kind of gangster movie 795 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 2: or British gangster movie. And Daniel Craig, Daniel Craig and 796 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: he's driving the R S six like down the old 797 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: English road and they're blasting the cult in the background, 798 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean. And then I think the ultimate is the 799 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 2: bmw M three wagon, which they keep kind of teasing 800 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: us with and not really delivering it on. 801 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't get it. I I truly don't understand that. 802 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: That's a big question mark that no one has an 803 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: answer for. 804 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 2: All Right, Uh, it's a good idea. We should we 805 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 2: should do a whole piece on wagons. I gotta find 806 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: out who would be the best guest for that. Oh, 807 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 2: Jonathan writes in, and he's in writing in from Hong Kong, 808 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: and he he points out that, and we've mentioned this before, 809 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 2: you can't import to the United States any new vehicle 810 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 2: that was built for a market outside the US unless 811 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 2: it's twenty five years old or older. 812 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: And I think you can, but you also have to 813 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: bring them up to a modern yes, modern emissions and 814 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: safety standards, which is expensive, complicated, time consuming, not fine. 815 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 2: It takes forever, like you've got to also get it 816 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 2: checked out and at least from at least two different regulators, 817 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: and neither one of them has an appointment for like 818 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 2: a year. 819 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: It's like dealing with contractors. 820 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost impossible. But he points out this is 821 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 2: cool because it opens up the market in the US 822 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: for nineties jdms. Right, they're past that point. 823 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And this reminded me of a story I did 824 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: on microvans that are being brought over from Japan. And 825 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,280 Speaker 1: you know this this this is a couple years old. 826 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: I have my friend Pelly in Oregon, who worked for 827 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: Nike at the time, was importing some van, some Toyota vans, 828 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: and we got to talking and there's a real culture. 829 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: I know, Jonathan, you didn't necessarily say vans. But it's 830 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: interesting because I remember when I was working on that story, 831 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: Hagardy said that more than ninety percent of the quotes 832 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 1: they get on these sort of JDM type vehicles are 833 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: from people who are under thirty five. So it's it's cool, 834 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: like people are getting excited about that. 835 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean my neighbor whom I always talk about here. 836 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 2: He loves like the supercars, right, you know, his latest 837 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: thing is maybe a hurricane, or he's he's got the 838 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 2: M four GTS, which is I think an underappreciated supercar. 839 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 2: But he seems interested in jdm's too, and I think 840 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 2: he's like thirty four or something that's cool. 841 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is probably also driven 842 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: by video games, because on the car side, there's so 843 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: many cars I'm told and I sort of see peripherally 844 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 1: that are like in video games, so people become grow 845 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: up driving them virtually and become obsessed with them. 846 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: I don't personally understand the appeal. I don't even have 847 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 2: any kind of attraction to Godzilla. The Nissan what's it, 848 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 2: the Nissan GTR, Yes, but there's in fact, there's only 849 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: one like Japanese car that I would want, which is 850 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 2: in this country, and it's the Suzuki Jimney. 851 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. 852 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 2: It's like a baby G class. 853 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: Oh cool. 854 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 2: I highly recommend you check it out. 855 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: Oh thegit Oh, I know what that is? 856 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: Super cool, It's awesome. I've driven one in Europe and 857 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: they come in bright, fun colors and they're just sweet. 858 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, little vehicles. 859 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you can feel like you would love this. 860 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be what a sweet high school car that 861 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 2: would be. 862 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen like one of these one in LA 863 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: They're kind of rare. 864 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why Suzuki doesn't make more and 865 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 2: sell them here because I think it would be a slam. 866 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: Dug that'd be so cool, super cool. In any case, 867 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: what you see a bunch of Bronco like restaurant broncos 868 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,240 Speaker 1: and stuff. But this is actually cooler. 869 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Yeah, well, maybe we will get 870 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 2: more of those in the US. In any case, we 871 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 2: should probably focus in a little bit more on jdns. 872 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 2: I just don't know very much about it myself. 873 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, same same. But that's a really good reminder 874 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: that we need to broaden our scope potentially. 875 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you have any suggestions or questions or criticisms, 876 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 2: please email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net 877 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 2: and we will make sure to answer you. 878 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. We love hearing from you. Thanks for all of 879 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: your input. Update on the car with the trunk that 880 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't open. Yeah, that's still actually in play. 881 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: Oh, that's the I don't the rolls Royce. Yeah, which 882 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 2: one is it? It's a Silver Spur, a Silver Spur. 883 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say too much about 884 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: it because it's still in play. 885 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 2: So it's still a potential. 886 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: I may Yeah, I might have an update next week. 887 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. But it's not really the one you 888 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 2: were looking for. 889 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: Right, it's not the it's not the Camargy, it's not 890 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: the Camark. This kind of looks like a cross between 891 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: a Silver Shadow and a camar It's like the bridge 892 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: between the two. 893 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 2: Oh, to be a member of the Beverly Hills Car Club. 894 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 2: Imagine the vehicles you get to drive. I wonder what 895 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 2: the wait list is. Do you have to have a 896 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 2: certain number club? 897 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: There's no club. Anyone anyone can walk in off the street. 898 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Cannon does all. 899 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 2: Right, Well, that does it for us this week. We'll 900 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 2: be back, same time, same place next week. 901 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 902 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg