WEBVTT - Avatar: The Way of Water 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.320 Warning, This podcast indeed spoilers for the first Avatar and 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.000 the sequel Avatar Way of Water in Theater. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:06.640 Now. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.280 Hello, my name is Jason Concepsio, and welcome to Expert 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.160 Vision The Crooked Podcast, where we dive deep into the 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.919 beautiful blue waters of Pandora to talk about your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.800 and pop culture. Of this episode, on the previously on 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.040 Lots of News, We're gonna be talking about the new 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.880 Across the Spider Verse trailer. I'll be talking about some 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.640 stuff that I saw at the Game of Thrones convention. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.240 We're gonna have a discussion of AI and the recent 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.600 AI art controversy. In the airlock, Folks, we're going to Pandora. Baby, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.960 We're getting in cryos sleep, we're sawing out, We're like 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.920 putting on our little breathers, and we're gonna be running 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.520 around in the forest and then diving into the crystal 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.560 blue waters and joining me today with all of that 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:19.200 to commune with Awa together. She's the number one Pandora historian, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:24.280 the number one harvester of whale brain juice. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.800 It's a great Rosie Dadea. I must say I have 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.360 never harvested a whale's brain juice. That would makes sense 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:35.640 when you see Avatar. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.479 When you see Avatar Way of Water. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.000 Yeah, how are you doing? 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:41.119 I'm doing well. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.760 I'm doing well. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.319 You know, my voice is coming back after doing so 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.640 much talking over the weekend. I was speaking so much. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.440 And uh, you know, I'm hopped up on on Pandora 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:02.680 buzz after seeing three hours of J. James Cameron's latest masterpiece, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:08.200 Avatar Way of Water. You're just living luxurious and amazing. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.560 I'm just living. How are you? 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:10.280 Yeah? 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.440 I reordered, I ordered my comic book collection. I put 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.760 like everything in order, and yeah, and God's feel I 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.200 want to keep and give away like in separate piles. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:20.840 I feel good. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.200 How are you? Yeah? I loved Tarry Yeah, yeah, same. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.160 I was. I was immersed. I was fully immersed for 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.080 three hours and ten minutes in the vibrant three D 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.679 of Avatar A Way of Water. I actually that was 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.360 always my biggest complaint about their original Avatar. Is somebody 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.560 who likes a three D movie where like an axe 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.720 comes at your face or like, you know, one of 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.240 my favorite three D movies is the My Bloody Valentine 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.000 three D remake that they did. I thought that was 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.560 like the peak of three D. The three D and 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.519 this is really good. I was very immersed. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:47.960 It's tasteful three D. 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.600 It's tasteful, but it was pushing the boundary. At one point, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.800 uh NATERII did almost shoot an arrow in my face, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.000 which I appreciated. And also there was moments when you're 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.200 underwater where it feels like things are past your face. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.240 I felt like the boundaries of the three D was 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.280 quite limited in the originals. I was. I was loved. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.760 Three D's back, baby, make every movie in three D, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.560 but like real three D, I want to see a 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.160 ladder coming towards my face like I'm in Muppets four D. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.119 All right, let's get into it. Let's get into it 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.600 for something previously on. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.240 Tell us all about the Game of Thrones Official fan convention, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.760 because that is very very cool and you already it 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.679 was you and Greta, right, it was all. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.360 Fan and I. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.600 This was the first time we'd ever met in person, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:30.320 which was wild. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:31.560 Here's the thing. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.520 I don't know if this happens to you, but when 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.120 you meet people for the first time and now in 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.240 the COVID era, I don't know about you, but it 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.440 doesn't even register almost anymore, like it feels like we 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.120 have met you and all this time I met in person, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.480 I was like, somebody mentioned, all, this is the first 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:51.200 time you guys meeting. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.600 I was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah, just feels cool. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.440 Yeah, like almost like it feels so normalized now. Anyway, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.920 it was the first time Greta and I had met 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.760 in person. Uh, and it was just I got to 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:11.600 see old friends, uh, you know, uh our friends from 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.120 History of West Rosays He using Ashaia were there, which 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:15.600 was wonderful. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:16.719 They were covering the whole thing. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.039 Kim Renfro from Insider was there. Uh, and it was 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.920 just it was so fun. We were hanging you know, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.960 just like hanging out in the green room and like 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.440 this one fun moment where like as Maybianca was there 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.640 played Rosst. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.320 One of my old time favorite characters. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.880 And then Daniel Portman, who played Patrick Payne aka sex 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.240 God Pod, came in and they started catching up and 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.800 you know, like Grant and I are pretending like, oh, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.880 this isn't cool, We're just very just we're just like 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.640 hanging out and they started having this conversation. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.800 Esmey was like, oh did you live? Did you make 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:53.240 it to the end? 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.360 He's like, yeah, I did, I made it. I lived 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.680 all the way to the end of series. All these 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.240 like fun little moments occurred. It was great seeing everybody 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.960 in costume, and then I was really just like pleasantly 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.680 surprised at how generous everybody was with their answers. We 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.799 interviewed Kit Kit Harrington ever heard of him, the famous 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.200 John Snow aka the Bastard of Winterfell, aka the King 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.880 in the North, aka the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.840 and he like he was just like so wonderful with 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.400 his answers, took time with all the audience questions. You 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:38.440 could you could really sense how important like connecting with 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.280 these people was to a lot of the fans who 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.880 got to ask their questions, just how delighted they were 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.240 to see everybody. There was a great moment where we 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:51.560 were interviewing Patty Patty and Steve Patty who plays King 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.920 Vissaras and Steve Dussant, who plays Cortless. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.360 Filarian, and I don't think Patty. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:05.040 Had fully realized like how beloved Vicea's was after this season, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.640 because I, you know, we had been talking for a 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.040 little while and I said, you know, I'd be remiss 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.919 if I didn't ask you about that incredible scene in 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.320 the throne room where Visara's comes in to defend his 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.440 daughter and just like the crowd exploded, and I mentioned 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.479 it it was cold. I love, it was so cool. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.400 So, oh, this is a funny thing. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.240 So we're there for three days Friday, Saturday, Sunday by Sunday. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:30.679 Listen. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.920 It's great, great fun, but I'm beginning to. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:33.599 Get like a little t. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.000 So what happened was we had a panel and I 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.880 forget what it was, but we had like an extra 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.800 fifteen minute like break on top of our existing fifteen 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:51.000 minutes because Greta was like introing some behind the scenes video. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.039 So I went up to the green room where all 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.080 the talent was, like everybody from the cast was in there, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.240 and various people who were also like handlers and you know, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.360 Alfie Allen's manager and stuff like that. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:05.320 So it was like I go in. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.040 There and all the there's like three round tabe four 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.320 round tables, and all the seats are taken because it's 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.480 like Kit Harrington sitting there, Alfie Allen is sitting there, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.000 Danny Portman is sitting there, like fucking Jack Lease and 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.200 like so I go and lay on the ground to 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.120 just kind of like relax for a little while. Next 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.520 thing I know, I fall asleep and I wake up 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.280 to one of the one of the convention people being like, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.840 oh my god, we've been looking for you, and like 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.840 we've come in this room like four times, and this 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:36.440 is the first. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:37.000 Time the street. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.800 So I was like, I was like out in the open, 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.200 like if you take four steps into the green room 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.640 and by the way, you can see, Yeah, it was 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.600 the same. It was where were we for the La 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.840 Comic Con. We were at four h two, Yeah, we 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.520 like in that we were four oh seven. So we're 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.480 literally down at the end of the hall and if 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.920 they would have taken five steps or three steps into 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.360 the room, it would have been obvious that I was 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.679 right there. But they didn't do that, so they missed 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.200 me like a million times. And so I woke up 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.000 and I hear the music for the panel going on, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.000 and they're like, it's it's starting right now. Do you 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.440 want to like run on stage. I'm like, no, that 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.200 would be fucking weird. I guess I just missed this one. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.720 And so it was the Patty that that one was 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.640 Patty's like solo panel which I which I watched from 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:20.240 the side of the stage. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.360 It was really fun. He came out like. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.640 Tottering on a invisible cane, you know, when they opened 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.000 the doors, he pretended to like totter out like Visara's. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.560 It was that was super fun. It was just it 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:35.640 was a really great time. Like everybody wash was clearly 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.160 so excited. You know, it's whenever someone gets up on 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.560 the mic to ask a question and their voice is shaking, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.680 it's like wow, it's you realize, like how this series 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.440 really just it just means a lot to people. And again, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:55.200 everybody was really really great with their you know, in 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.360 answering the questions, and it was just a fun time. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.160 I love cosplay, I love conventions. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.680 I love the at all. I got it. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:07.240 I got a a corless and vices Funko pop, not 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.040 a single funk I got two Fungo pops. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:10.400 Yeah. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:16.040 Yeah, now Visaras without the Golden mask, but it's so 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.840 it's like younger Visas. But it was really fun. It 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.040 was a great time, man, it was it was. It 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.079 was a long time, but it was really really fun 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.720 and it was cool to see how much it meant 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:26.280 to the fans. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.040 Yeah. I mean it was the first ever official Game 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.040 of Thrones fan con, right, which is why you had 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.320 so many unbelievable that was like a stacked cost of guests. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.400 It was everyone. You can't want to be there, I 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.040 mean Kit. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.000 Yeah, like, holy shit, there he is. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.800 It's fucking Jon Snow And you never know what to do, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.120 you know, Like our friend Kenny who is my manager, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.559 was like he was there for day one because uh 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.640 his wife is also is Daniel Portman's rep. And you know, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.719 just there to support Grant and I and he and 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.120 you know like Elvi Allen is there and Jack Lison 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.760 were there, and Tom Glencarney was there, you know, plays 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:06.920 egg on the Elder. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:07.839 He said, oh, you. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.480 Go go say go say how to the dollar? And 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.240 I was like, you introduce yourself over the panel. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:12.960 You gotta do that. You gotta do that. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.800 You make sure that you know they know who you 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:15.920 are and stuff like that, and I'm. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.920 Like, gosh, I don't want to bother them. They're just like, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:19.920 you know there. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:21.680 Everybody was ballad. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.240 It's the balance. But everybody was like super super sweet 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.960 and super charming. There were some really thirsty asked questions 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.040 at times, like there was oh my god, I had 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.280 I had Tom. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:34.319 Uh. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:35.880 It's interesting. Day one. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.120 The original setup was Greta and I were gonna, like, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.319 you know, like trade off panels and certain bigger panels 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.680 we do together just to kind of save our energy. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.440 But then we got to the end of day one 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.560 and did the panel together and we're like, let's just 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:50.679 do all the panels together. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.240 It's so much better and so much easier. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.599 But so originally Day one I did Tom Glencarney just 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.920 by myself, and someone got up and was like, first 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.240 question was hello Tom, You're very handsome, and we were like, okay, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.400 that's not a question. Yeah, And then another person was like, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.880 Hi Tom, just so you know, I call you King 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.120 Poppy Chulo. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.680 To be and Con is like a you are like 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:26.200 the teacher and the fan and the historian and the 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.840 question asker and the bodyguard. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.120 New York Comic Con I did a movie premiere and 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.079 one of the people the lot I should have stopped 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.760 before the last question, but the last question the guy 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.800 came up and Jake Lacy was in the movie is 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.960 this really fun movie called Significant Other with Michael Momroan 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.880 and Jake Lacy and the last guy came up and 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:57.120 just made some really weird comment about how lucky Jake 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.640 Lacy was that he'd like rolled in the hay with 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.640 It wasn't even in the panel like jess I think 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.800 it was Jessica Chastain or something, and I had to 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.840 be like, let's keep it clean, let's get and everyone 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.120 was like I could just be like I was like, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.880 I should never have let that last guy ask the question. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.200 But that's always the way people are excited to talk 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.080 to these But it's that balance. It sounds like it 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.840 was respectful fast at the game of. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.200 Was mainly respectful for Thirst. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.360 There was like a point five percent of like things 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:28.679 that were like, okay. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.200 It was. It was a it was a very respectful Thirst. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.720 When the questioner was like I call you King, Tom 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.000 was like, what's that mean? 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.880 He like leaned over to me and I. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.439 Was like, I was like, oh, that's like a it's 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:48.880 like a very handsome guy. Basically there was and forget 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.880 it for Patrick Payne because who we always who of course, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.800 you know sex guy pod he made the eight he 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.199 you know, the whoors of King's landing. We're giving him, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.400 you know, rolls in the hay for et cetera. There 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.880 was they were giving him money, they were giving him 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.440 him money. There were so many questions about, like, so, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:08.480 what do you think he did? 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:09.680 What do you think it was? 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:09.880 Then? 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:16.120 What was the backstory is? What was what was specialty? Yeah? 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.120 What was it? 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.040 He was like, oh my gosh, it was. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.680 It was. It was a wonderful fun time, absolutely fun time. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.480 Shall we talk about the Across the Spider Verse trailer? 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.959 That is, it's very exciting. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.200 Full trailer for the highly anticipated Spider Man Across the 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.680 Spider Verse dropped this week. Of course, loss of returning 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:57.520 characters Miles Morales, his dad, his father, Jefferson Davis. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.520 One of the most perplexing choices in. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.840 Recent comics history done of course, Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:04.360 et cetera. And lots of new characters appear in this trailer, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.600 just Spider Woman, the Vulture, various Spider Man variants. We 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.200 get a Spider Punk, shots of fucking zig and it 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:18.400 just man, it just seems extremely fun. I am of 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.920 the opinion this is not a controversial opinion that into 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:23.040 the Spider verses. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:23.000 Like. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.280 Top two comic book movies ever like it certainly want 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 to maybe rejectively the best one. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.920 Maybe everything everything else is like your own feelings, but 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.280 it's definitely the best Spider Man movie. And I love 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.080 that Tom Holland mcu Spider Man movies. I love Andrew Garfield, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.400 I love Toby, but that movie is unbelievable. I thought 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.960 this was so much fun. I love They managed to 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.120 do this great job with the trailer where they ground 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.520 it in this conversation that Miles is having with his 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.720 mom Rio where she's kind of just like, I spent 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.400 all my life just looking after you, and I don't 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.320 want you to be in a situation where I'm not 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.000 able to do that. And if I'm not doing it, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.600 then I need you to do it and to take 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.640 on that responsibility. And they ground it with that human 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.680 like love and heart, which was such a big part 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.320 of the movie. And then they're just like boom bombastic 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.160 bag man, like, oh that's spider Man. May Day Parker 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.440 by the way, Oh yes, so Peter B. Parker looks 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.120 like he had a baby with Mary Jane. They revealed 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.200 an image of the baby. We don't see it in 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.120 the trailer. He's wearing the baby beyond, but it is 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.320 made a Parker. But then there's also grown up may 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.360 Day Parker. We see in this there's so many different people. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:35.080 They have the PS four Spider Man, they have like 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.120 silver Armor Spider. There's all different kinds of variants. It's real. Oh, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.440 we don't it's hard to see him in the trailer, 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.720 but they released a really cool character design for Spider 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.240 Man India, So there's a lot of characters here. And 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.920 then we have Spider Man twenty ninety nine. And this 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.040 is the biggest question of the movie is what is 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.560 his role because in this and in the pre trailer, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.040 it looks like he is either an antagonist or a 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.560 straight up villain. And at the end it ends with 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.520 I think it's Spider Gwen who says, oh, I thought 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.200 it was supposed to be the good guys, and then 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.640 he says we are. But he's like smashing miles his 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.080 face into the ground. So it's unclear what kind of 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.320 cataclysm and drama they're doing here. Also, so Jessica Drew 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.320 Spider Woman here played voice by its Array and they 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.760 did black Jessica Drew. I think that is going to 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.360 be and I think Jessica Drew is going to be 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.400 black in the MCU too. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.600 I agree with you. I think I think that that 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.240 is going to be the case. I'll say I'll go 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:35.000 a little. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.480 This, I'll go a little further on on this. I 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.960 think that this animation style, I think you could make 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.560 an entire like Marvel animated universe. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:48.480 I agree, and. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.560 Just do do do Avengers do West Coast Avengers, do 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:53.880 x Men? 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:54.120 Like? 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.720 Do all do a whole universe of stories that's separated 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.640 from the from the mcun like this, because I just 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.680 think the animation startup is so engaging and exciting. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.680 A long time ago, we'd said, maybe it was around 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.200 the time of What If. I don't remember, but we 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.399 were like, they should use Marvel animation to basically tell 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.840 different famous comic book arts. Yeah, I would love to 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.439 see that in the Sony studio space where you're reaching 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.280 literally no joke. I was on my Instagram the day 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.119 the trailer came out, and like every cool artist that 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.320 I followed was like, so proud this is out, so 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.000 happy I got to do a bit of work on this, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.560 Like they bought like the best of the best illustrators, animators, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.320 everyone in to make this sequel, and I just feel 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:39.959 like there's so much space. I mean, think about how 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.000 great Kingpin was in that first movie. Obviously, Miles is 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.640 movie like it's it's all about Miles, but I think 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.880 so much about the visualization of Kingpin and how terrifying 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.639 he was and how interesting and how visually exciting, and 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.840 I think I would love to see, you know, you 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.680 could even do a Punisher movie like this. And I'm 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.959 not someone who's out here always advocating for many Punisher stories, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.719 but Punisher, that's a Spider Man villain. You know, that 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.320 could be a really interesting space, and they do so 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:10.520 much intriguing animation. I'd love to see them do Silk. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.600 You know, we know that Sony is now doing this 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:17.240 Amazon deal where they're going to be making TV shows 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.480 like Silk, and I would be really interested to see that. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:27.040 I'm also very interested to know and to think about 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:33.240 when the animated Miles and Miles's movies will inevitably spit 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:39.880 a real live action Miles into the MCU, because it's 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.400 just it's so it's gonna happen. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.480 It has to happen, it feels and. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.760 Here's my question, is it do they do it when 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.200 Tom is like on his way out, Tom's gonna die, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.399 or you know, at the end of his contract. He 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.120 doesn't want to do it anymore. Is that when they 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.400 bring in Miles or is there a period of time 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:02.720 where we get both of them? 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.160 I think it's so. It might just be my own 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.679 Miles bias, right, but I believe that the way that 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.960 they ended No Way Home, it essentially establishes a world 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.359 where Miles can exist because Peter doesn't have any personal connections. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.840 Now in the comics it's that Peter died inverted commerce 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.760 whoever dies, but people thought Peter was dead in this 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.960 the notion that Peter Parker doesn't exist, even though Spider 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.760 Man as a figure does, that could inspire Miles to 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.160 become a local Spider Man and then to have that duality. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.800 So my fingers are crossed, and I think, you know, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.600 Spider Verse is really the most successful multiverse kind of 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.359 accessible storytelling that we've had, So it makes sense that 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.080 there could be a world where that multiverse spills into 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.359 them see you. But I also think that Sony is 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.040 probably keeping Miles Morales very close to their chest. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.080 They're not going to give him yeah for nothing, that's 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.840 going to be a negotiation. Looks so great if he 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.840 does come in, wait if and when he does come 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:10.440 into the live action world while Peter Parker is there. Man, 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.080 think about how heart wrenching a death of Spider Man 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.520 like an ultimate Spider Man end of Peter Parker's run. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:23.600 How just like good punch level that would be exactly screen. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:30.119 They're establishing so many of the character relationships that would 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.400 need to be set up for that to happen in 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.200 these Spider Verse movies. And my gut says that with 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.960 the looming threat of DC attempting this kind of wildly 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:46.840 ambitious James Gunpeter Saffran led animation TV film into Connected 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.600 Universe in a more streamline way, because DC has been 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.400 doing that for a while, but it's not been widely recognized. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.159 I think that that pushes that likely pushes Marvel to 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.560 wanna can in spite of us with the MCU in 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.160 a more distinct way. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:12.439 Yeah, up next, AI art. You may have noticed lots 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:17.080 of people you follow on social media sharing various portraits 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.359 of themselves that are done in this kind of like 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.479 artistic way. Here they are in space, Here they are 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:23.320 in a forest, Here they are is some kind of 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:29.720 comic book warrior. This is probably the lensa AI app 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.480 that allows people to create portraits of themselves according to 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.480 whatever prompt the user might input into the user interface. 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:46.360 But this technology is raising a lot of red flags 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.119 with artists, as in it rosie. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.560 Yeah. So LENSA AI works on open source image the 0:21:53.560 --> 0:22:00.119 text model called stable Diffusion, and that is run by 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.840 a non profit company and what it does is it 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.840 scrapes are from the Internet without artists' consent to train 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.560 the AI. Now that in itself is its own wider 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.160 ethical issue. The problem that really upset people was lens 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.359 is actually charging people for this, so it's no longer nonprofit. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:25.359 And as many different people managed to source there was 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:30.040 some really great kind of just like community journalism, where 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.399 it became quite obvious that you could actually still see 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.920 signatures in the corner of the art because the AI 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.080 is trained off of people's artwork that had signatures, and 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.600 for some artists it was very easy to see an 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.960 image that somebody shared off LENSA that was clearly kind 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.000 of what you would say, like biting their art style. 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:55.840 But in this it's less of a human choosing to plagiarize, 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.639 and the nature of the way that the AI is 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.840 being trained is on the art of others. So for 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.520 a lot of cartoonists and the illustration community, this is 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:08.760 like a big kind of upset. Understandably so because a 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.760 lot of conversations about the ethics of AI have been 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.840 very widely agreed upon, and I think for a lot 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.160 of people in the comic book community and the cartooning 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.840 and illustration community, this felt like everyone was just like, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.040 oh wait, but I want to look see what I 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.160 would look like as a call like Superhero, So I'm 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.080 just gonna pay my eight dollars and put in my 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.800 ten photos. And then outside of that that, which is 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.199 a huge part and is like the main issue that 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.359 a lot of people have had. My understanding is that 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.840 the nature of the way that Stable Diffusion works and 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:46.719 the company laio N who run this nonprofit your photos 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.680 once they are in there, not only are we talking 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.439 about a likeness rights which they will own and that 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.320 is in the terms and conditions, and many people have 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.480 done great reporting on that, but also they can then 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:00.000 use your photos and will use your photos to try 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.439 your AI to do stuff like facial recognition that can 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.760 then be used in like a surveillance state. So there's 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:09.040 a lot of different layers to what to the problems 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:13.320 with it and the different ways that it can be exploited, 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.040 most of which has come from the fact that it's 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.320 new technology and a lot of us don't really understand it. 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:18.880 I think that. 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.720 To your point, there's a lot of different implications of 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.840 this is obviously kind of you know, not to overstate it, 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:32.679 but AI in general is world changing technology that you know, 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.120 change the way we generate ideas, change the way a. 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:36.639 Lot of people will work creatively. 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:42.040 And I think on the one hand, it's it's unstoppable 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:46.400 in the sense that it's moving so fast that it's 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.800 here and it's kind of not going anywhere. That said, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:55.320 because of the way it works and the stuff that 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:59.920 it scrapes to build out how it works, it is 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:06.080 essentially at this point theft. You know, it's intellectual property theft. Now, 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.119 I guess the people who are very pro AI would say, well, 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.120 you know, we're working on safeguards and things like that, 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.639 but it's also like, you know, this is moving so 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.600 fast that it's kind of you can't really stop where 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.320 this is going, and therefore, you know, it's better to 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.200 you know, to support this kind of progress than worry 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.200 too much about the various eggs that are going to 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.040 be broken, yeah, to which I would counter, you know, 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.719 this is you know, artists are not the illustrators that 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.199 we know are not like they're not raking it in 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:44.280 an exactly. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.639 I think this is the This is the bigger problem 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:51.040 is that artists already, whether it's the artists who draw 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.840 your favorite superhero comics or it's an artist who's trying 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.600 to make their own independent work, they are already being 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:04.240 exploited and undervalued. And the biggest problem with that approach 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.160 to this is that it essentially erases all the work 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:09.840 that has been done and the years of work the 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:11.960 artists have done to even be able to train the 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.160 AI in the first place, let alone just to learn 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.520 how to do art. And then I've been reading some 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:24.040 really interesting, more kind of philosophical questions about it, which 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.320 is kind of the notion of like what does art 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:26.800 mean to you? 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:26.960 Like? 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.920 Is art just a series of photos or images that 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:36.800 tell a story? And if so, then how does that 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.439 change when it's AI or it's a human Because if 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.200 a human is making that art, that art is a 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:48.960 long ges stating result of their ideas and their experiences 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:54.760 and their influences. And I'm not a verse. I'm very 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.360 much like I think a lot about like I grew 0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:58.880 up on sci fi, right, so I have a lot 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.240 of feelings about the nature of AI and the possibilities 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.960 of sentient AI and the rights. Nobody is like AI 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.359 art is bad forever blanket banned bad. The problem is 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:15.600 that right now, with stuff like LENSA, companies are profiting 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.960 off art that is stolen from artists who didn't give 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.600 their consent, and it's seeing kind of widely accepted as 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:29.200 the norm, which makes it more easy for corporations and 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:33.480 singular people to exploit artists. I saw multiple examples of 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.600 some really. Some of the stuff that shocked me the 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.159 most was after I'd learned about LENSA, which I was 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.359 down on from the beginning. Some I love creator rights, 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.919 so I'd always felt suspicious about it. But some of 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.520 the wildest stuff I saw was other artists who had 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:55.679 had their art style directly stolen and fed into AI generators, 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.920 and then had people sharing their art and winning comp 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.160 petitions with their art and getting paid for the art 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.000 that they just fed somebody else's art into the generator. 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.359 And that's the other side of it, is it. It 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:12.480 makes it a lot easier to plagiarize a specific art 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.639 style or to take work away from working artists. So 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.760 it's it's really complex, and I feel like this is 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.600 probably just the beginning of like a much bigger conversation. 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.240 Like this is before we even get into the questions 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:33.720 of AI generated revenge porn, and also you can create 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:39.560 propaganda using AI created art, whether or not the AI 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.920 algorithm and the underlying mathematics and it were created with 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:44.440 inherent biases. 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.680 You see the images, you see the examples. I think 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.640 it was Megan Fox who had said it. I think 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:56.120 Nissi Nash had sheared some, but there was The Guardian 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.440 did a piece about where they put images of famous 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.239 women men who had done historically notable things, and one 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.240 of them was one of the ones that got spout 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.080 was like Emilia earhartlight laying naked on a bed and 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.400 Megan Fox all of her pictures were just all just 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.040 the boobs. That was just all it was. Yeah, I mean, 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.400 and they make people skinnier and life. 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.920 Before even before we even get to that like philosophical 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:19.520 part of it. 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.600 It really what we're really dealing with. 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:29.520 Is uh a transfer of It's really a transfer of 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:34.280 wealth from artists to capital because listen, art this is 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.560 not in the short medium, and I would dare to 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.440 say even the long term. This is not going to 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.640 replace artists and real art at the top level. Like 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.240 you know, this is not people aren't going to walk 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.720 into a gallery and buy an AI generator or piece. 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:54.800 Maybe they will, but very successful, well did they? 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:59.160 Or is that just a scam? Perfect? I so? 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.400 And at the same time, NFTs are basically digital versions 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:08.560 of human created art anyway, But the way this will 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:13.680 be applied is I am a movie studio. I don't 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.600 want I want to cut costs anywhere I can. Therefore, 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.400 when I'm storyboarding out a script, rather than pay an illustrator, 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.520 I will put my script into an AI, and that 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:30.280 AI will create a storyboard that is using art styles 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:35.600 and details scraped from actual artists, and I will create 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.160 this product that will then help me create my other product, 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:43.080 and that is one or two or a handful of 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.840 illustrators that now don't have a job because I've cut 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:52.840 that part out of it or storyboard yeah, or if 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:57.200 i'm you know, or if I'm like mocking up graphics 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:03.480 for a book or for definitely or assigned for my bakery. 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:07.560 You know, now, all of a sudden, you're transferring the 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.760 monies that would have gone into the pocket of an 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.120 actual human being, an illustrator, and you're moving it towards 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.520 the technologists who have created this AI. 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.680 So should you should we be doing that? 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.320 Is a is a kind of basic question, I think 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.640 is going to be the more everyday question that we 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.360 have to grapple with before we start grappling with these 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:36.680 kind of really big and obviously you know, super impactful 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.800 questions about like, Okay, what if someone wants to create 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.520 a picture of me committing a crime and then report 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.320 me to the police, Or what if somebody wants to 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:49.400 create uh, you know, completely realistic propaganda, or what if 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:51.680 somebody wants to get back at their X and create 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.640 nudes of them? Like those are all issues that are 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.040 going to get dealt with as well, and they're probably 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.360 going to get dealt with at the governmental level because 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:04.360 they're just salacious and huge. But stuff like what about 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:08.480 the illustrator that lost a storyboarding gig because you know 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.720 this and that company used an AI rather than them, 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.800 Those are the things that we should be saying right now, 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.280 because that's the that is an application that's going to 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.400 happen like tomorrow, Yeah. 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.040 If it's already yeah, if it's not already happening in 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.040 some studio. And the other thing is as well that 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.600 So there's a there's a website coote that you can 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.040 look at called have I Been Trained dot com and 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.520 you can put in any image and see if it 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:39.000 was used to train the AI stable diffusion or the 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.760 different processes. The most interesting thing about it is that 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.440 when people started to look into it, they also realized 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.400 that there was some unhinged things collected in there. And 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:53.120 this is kind of the the problem that this massive 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:58.160 data set that isn't necessarily regulated, you know, offers up. 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.560 Is there was a Twitter user called the pen who 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.640 found that a bunch of before and after medical photos 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.200 that she had had taken by a clinical physician had 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.280 ended up on there, and then through that people started 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:17.560 to realize that there were thousands of medical photos and 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.520 all different kinds of things that had ended up on 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.800 there that again really start to blur the lines of consent, 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.080 because there's the consent of oh, you put yourselfie on 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.400 Instagram and anyone can look at it and use it. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.840 But then there's the consent of something that is private, 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.160 like a medical image or a nude which other people 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.280 found on there, and these are the things that are 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.280 being used to train it. So it's just very messy. 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.520 And I think Jason, you made a really great point 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.360 that really the most direct question to ask yourself is 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.720 like would I rather give money to an independent artist 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.920 or would I rather give money to somebody who is 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.960 creating this tool that, as we said, has like multiple 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.080 ethical questions surrounding it before we even just get to 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:02.480 that baseline question of could I just pay an artist? 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.120 And I will say, you can just pay an artist. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:05.600 Guess what? 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.799 You can commission an artist? A lot of artists on 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.680 Instagram will are open to commissions your favorite artists. You 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.760 can pay someone like Jim Lee. 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Is this beautiful amber liquid that 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:21.160 can only obviously only be harvested by brutally murdering these creatures. 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:22.000 Uh. 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.640 The juice is then harvested and is shipped to Earth, 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:30.840 where apparently it just flat out stops human aging according 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.200 to the men who harvest this this substance. 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:39.200 Yeah, we're getting into like deep seeding territory to the 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.880 potential next three movies, because not only are we going 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.360 to have an ageless elite thanks to the brain juices 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:52.920 of the tolcoonuices of the tool pot, as Edie Falco's character, 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:57.760 General Francis Ardmore says, wiping on optainium off the board 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:01.480 as as super projuice. A soul hilariously just pointed out 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:07.120 in the chat they obtained the unobtainium. They they obtained it. 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.719 So she says, you know, we're not mining anymore, they're terrorforming. 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.400 They they want to make. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:15.359 Cashed out. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.960 Yeah, so they want That's going to be the long 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:25.080 battle here is Pandora is being targeted as a place 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.360 for them to bring the rich and the wealthy and 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.520 probably the age list thanks to the brain juices, and 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:35.040 that is probably seeding the next three potential movies. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:41.560 So we're over in the coast, but eventually uh Querich 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:47.400 in his navvy body manages to track the Jake to 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:48.000 the coast. 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:52.799 Look, I know what I'm about to do it. 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:53.920 He is aided. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:55.480 He is aided in. 0:48:55.480 --> 0:49:01.960 This regard by his biological son, Spider, who human little 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.440 human tarzan boy with dreads who was raised among the 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:10.760 nove certainly seems to have something of a crush on Cirie, 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:17.440 Jake and Nattiri's daughter, but is captured by Colonel Quaritch 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:22.000 early on in the movie and then basically acts as 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:29.680 a mostly unwilling but actually way way too willing betrayer 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.160 of the nave Ways. 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:33.719 He teaches fucking Colonel. 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.840 Quarris how to bond with with the the flying creatures 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.520 whose name I don't know. He's like translates for them 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:43.720 when they raid various villages. 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.680 Looking people's houses down. 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.640 Yeah, And though he's like, no, you shouldn't be doing this, 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:49.920 he's still fucking helping. 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:51.360 So fuck Spider anyway. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:56.760 Fuck Spider anyway, Spider is helping them, and this eventually 0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:03.920 leads to to Quaritch getting the whaling fleet to target 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:08.000 Toolcun not in the deep ocean, but right off the 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:14.960 coast of inhabited nav coastline. Because the understanding is that 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:20.880 because the Nave are you know, so emotionally bonded to 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.960 these creatures, killing them is a kin to murder, this 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.600 is going to cause a response and this will flush 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:32.320 Jake out. It works, so there is a big response 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:36.920 the Nave uh you know, strike back against the whaling fleet. 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.799 They're helped by a rogue toolcoun named Piacan who has 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:46.800 been cast out of Toulcun society because uh, he they killed. 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.480 They think he killed a bunch of them, but actually 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.880 they were hunted by right and so he to the 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:56.759 brain juice and he defended them from the brain juice harvesters. 0:50:56.960 --> 0:51:00.719 But even that is against is against the rules of 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:06.000 the Toolcun, who only live in non violent piece yeah, 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:10.080 absolute peace. So Pilecan is like, you know, fuck this 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:14.000 shit and goes free Willy on the whaling vessel. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:20.040 Like you know, whipping major jump literally like free Willy. 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:21.719 Uh. 0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.840 And then uh, there's a big showdown with Sully and 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:30.440 Tire and Quaritch, and eventually the Whalers and Quarach are 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.680 driven off. Quarich survives thanks to Spider, who saves him 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:34.680 from drowning. 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.239 But no reason anyone can understand apart from they need 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:38.440 him to be in the next movie. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:39.720 Again. 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.920 We will talk about this at depth after the recap, 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.239 but once again, fuck Spider. 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:46.239 Uh. 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.960 And this leads to a narration. 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.360 From Jake in which he says, you know, my family 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.040 is my greatest weakness, but it's also our greatest strength. 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.920 And now I realize that this is our home. The 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.040 entire planet is our home, and we need to defend 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:01.479 our home. 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:02.200 Uh. 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.759 And that is setting up Avatar III, in which we 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:09.439 would imagine Jake and his Nave forces wage complete war 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:15.239 against the human colony on Pandora. Folks, let's talk about it. 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:19.680 We saw it in three D, which I will say, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.120 and you mentioned. 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:22.440 It's the spring. 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.080 He is really great, Like, it's very amassive. 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:25.360 It was. 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.479 It was much more three D than the first one, 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:29.040 which I agree a fan of. 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.200 And it's not just like dumb like, oh look now 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.960 the arrow is coming pointing right at your face. You 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.839 know it's it's stuff like, but they do, addam, they 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:41.399 do have a little bit of that end, but it's 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.480 not just like that wow kind of stuff of like 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.160 Quartz's gun is pointing directly at you, or like the 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.560 beak of his flying beast is like, you know, coming 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:50.160 out of the screen. 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.839 It's more like as they're underwater. 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:54.759 That's really got me. 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:59.439 Yeah, you see these like motes of of of light 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:00.719 and different substances. 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:05.600 Just y, Yeah, that's the coolest stuff, and it just 0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.320 it really feels like you're underwater. 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:09.600 It was really cool. 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:16.399 Yeah, that was that to me was my favorite new 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:20.920 development in this movie. I am not the biggest original 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:23.359 Avatar stan and I cannot say that this film has 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:28.000 turned me into one, but I was very immersed in 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:32.920 that spectacle and experience, especially for me the immersive three D. 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.279 I really enjoy that experience and I'd love to see that, 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.680 you know, in all different kinds of movies. So that 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:41.640 that was a big selling point for me. 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.120 Rosie, do you think people need to see this movie 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:46.560 that need to see the first Avatar before they see 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:47.719 Avatar where you water? 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.799 You know what, I don't think it's a full necessity 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.640 because I feel like the opening of the movie does 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.160 a lot of heavy list lifting when it comes to 0:53:56.239 --> 0:54:01.000 introducing the characters, introducing the family, introducing Jake's j I 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.759 would also say that this movie follows a lot of 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.160 similar thematic beat says the first movie. So I think 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:11.759 that you can really understand the world of Avatar. But 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.560 I will say that I do think that if you 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.880 wanted to rewatch it and also see whether you were 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.560 a fan, because I feel like this is very much 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.560 like if you really like the first movie, you're probably 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.359 gonna really like or love this movie. So it's also 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:28.080 a good kind of watermark. But I don't necessarily think 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:31.320 it's a necessity to see the first one before coming 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:35.239 into this. I do think that if you're gonna do it, 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.680 probably watch the first one before you see this, because 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.200 once you've watched this one, the graphics of the first 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:41.360 one look very dated. 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.239 Oh yeah, yeah, very very vrritated. 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:45.360 I'll say this, I think, what's I think if you 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.279 wanted to go back and just kind of refresher, you 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.319 haven't seen the first Avatar, what you need to do 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.840 is watch the first thirty minutes of the First Avatar 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:59.399 because you need to understand how the Avatar technology works, Like. 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:00.840 What it is. 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:04.920 That's how Jake came to be in the Nave body, 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.640 where the Navi bodies come from. And you know, there 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.279 are various scenes like the torture of Spider that kind 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:19.440 of like hinge on the audience's understanding of how the 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.600 kind of like Avatar and the high technology of this 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.279 of this you know, age of humanity's like ability to 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.640 peer into the human brain, like how what they can 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:31.640 do with that technology. And so I think it's important 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.680 to kind of like have that as like an understanding 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:36.520 of the world and the kind of world building of it, 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:40.080 how human race came to be on Pandora, how they 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:43.239 get there, how far it is, why they're there. I 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.200 think all that stuff happens basically in the first half 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:50.280 hour forty five minutes of the three hour plus epic 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.400 of Avatar number one, two thousand and nine. You know Avatar, 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:58.000 And if you didn't have three hours plus to carve out, 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:01.360 then just watch the first thirty to forty five minutes 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.960 of the first Avatar to kind of understand the reality 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.000 of where we are and the rest of it. You'll understand, 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.920 like there's a bad guy. It's basically dances with wolves 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:14.960 in space only this time the indigenous win. 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:20.239 Yeah, it's very interesting. Let's talk about something because you 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.360 say that, right, and that immediately makes me feel like, 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:26.000 you know, we talked a lot about the way that 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:31.640 and Or dealt with real life analogous storytelling that felt radical. 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.520 But you made a really great point in the lead 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:38.040 up to this episode about your reading of the accessibility 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.200 of Avatar and could you speak a little bit to that. 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:46.200 Sure, Well, I just think James Cameron is a is 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:50.759 truly a master filmmaker, a truly master storyteller in. 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:53.640 A medium that. 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:59.799 Is is basically like box office blockbuster, like that is 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:05.279 his milieu. He understands how to create a story that 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:11.920 crosses all kinds of national, ideological and political lines, to 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:16.440 create a story that is accessible to the biggest possible 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.040 audience ever. This is one of the what five movies 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.360 this year the American films that's going to open in China? 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:23.360 Right, they think it's going to do two hundred million 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:23.800 in China. 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:25.840 Why is that? 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:32.200 It's because he's able to gesture at all these different 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:36.560 kinds of groups and concerns that different groups have about 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:41.480 stories in this extremely fractured, you know, political era that 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:45.320 we're living. In and create something like unified out of it, 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.000 and there's something almost diabolical about it. 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.480 So this is what this is. This is what I mean. 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:52.760 On the one hand, like we live in an age 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:57.560 in which I think people rightly and fairly are concerned 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:03.720 about diversity, about depictions of diversity, and they want to 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:07.400 see themselves reflected on screen. So here is a story 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:13.160 about an indigenous people, right, an indigenous group. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:13.960 Uh. 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:19.320 They're essentially underdogs at the same time, so that that 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.840 gives you like entree and they don't look like us, right, 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.160 they have different ways of being. They're very connected to 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.280 nature in a way that feels like you know, uh 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:34.680 uh and at times almost simplistic mapping of indigenous concerns 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:39.160 and an indigenous character onto onto a sci fi character. 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:44.880 At the same time, this is a group that also 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:50.360 reaches like a cross that has an appeal beyond that 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:54.000 kind of you know, uh, a kind of narrow sliced 0:58:54.000 --> 0:59:00.240 appeal because they're a unified ethno religious group right there there, 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:05.880 they have they and their religion is at the center 0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:11.520 of their existence. So they're very religious, mono culture and 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:16.760 they have very very traditional gender roles, like at one 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:21.520 point Jake says, a father's role is to protect, you know, 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:27.760 Like this film opens with Jake teaching Natayam, his oldest son, 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:32.560 like how to fish, and meanwhile, it's like Natiri, his wife, 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.200 who's the bow and arrow is her thing? Like she 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:39.040 is an absolute fucking artist with the bow and arrow, 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.040 and that is in fact in this movie, that's like 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.200 her calling card, Like Korrig is able to identify like 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:47.520 her by her arrows. 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.040 But it's Jake. 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.880 Who's teaching the kids to hunt, not Natiri who's doing 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.320 Natiri not to say that, but at the same time, 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.080 she is a warrior. She is a fierce warrior by 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.440 that same token, and we never we see her like 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:06.960 preparing food in a very traditional kind of way, like 1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.440 in the huts, chopping up fish. 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:12.360 And preparing stuff for the family life, an act we 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:14.000 never see Jake doing. 1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:18.440 Right, So it's able to appeal to people who care 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:20.400 about diversity and also people who are like, there's too 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:23.640 much diversity in this world. It's able to open in China, 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:26.840 right because who are the fucking bad. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:27.320 Guys in this movie? 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:31.919 The American military, the American corporate and military interests are 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:33.520 the bad guys in this film. Who are the and 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.840 why can't it open in America? Also because who's the 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.479 good guy in this film? An American soldier, a white guy. 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:44.880 The greatest Nave in the history of NAVI is a 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:49.520 white man named Jake. We love shit like that, and 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:53.960 so it's really interesting the way he is. He has 1:00:54.560 --> 1:01:02.080 like crafted this story that just has absolutely massive universal appeal, 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:06.200 not just to people like who you know love movies 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:08.160 quote unquote the way they used to be, but people 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.920 who care about like uh about representation and things now, 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:17.360 Like that is it's diabolical what he's done. It's really 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:20.520 crazy what he's done it and it absolutely works, Like 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:23.520 is there a cynical element to it? 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:24.760 Yeah? I think so, yes. 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:30.840 At the same time, like when Pyocan starts wrecking shop 1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:36.480 and hurling whalers like into the water and slapping them 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:38.960 with his tail so that their bodies just like fucking 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.720 go rag dolling across the deck and then the Nave 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:44.880 show up and start spearing dudes like out of their 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.840 quad copters. I'm like, fuck, yeah, kill them absolute, let's 1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:52.280 kill these fucking bastards, please, like kill them all. 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:52.920 I love it. 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:58.080 So this shit really works, like it's it's it's amazing 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.240 and it's got and there's a through line with a 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.560 lot of the stuff that James Karen has cared about 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:08.560 for basically hisn entire filmmaking career, which is, you know, militarism, 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:13.160 the the effects, the wide ranging effects of corporate power, 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:17.280 the effects of capitalism outside of the view of the 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:21.720 kind of. 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:21.440 The general public. 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.320 Like this is, it's always like what happens when a 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.640 corporation goes to space with military power, What happens when 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:33.560 a corporation, you know, is mining off world as in aliens. 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.800 What happens when they're when they're placing colonies on another 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:40.160 earth in another world? Excuse me, what happens when they're 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:42.880 mining outside of the view of the press and stuff 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:44.960 like that. This is like the kind of shit he 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:50.080 cares about. What happens when when technology runs amok. This 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.600 is the stuff that James Karen cares about. And of 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:56.600 course we all know he absolutely loves the oceans. This 1:02:56.680 --> 1:03:02.240 guy loves them, So it's how incredible what he has 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:02.720 done here. 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:07.560 Yeah, I think that your point is so astute about 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:12.360 that wide appeal. I think that's why for some people 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.960 like myself, it's not always going to hit because that 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:21.080 the vagaries or the the lack of making a solid 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:24.920 commitment to a message or a story, you know. And 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:29.080 I also something that I struggle with after watching last 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:33.080 night that ABC twenty twenty special Avatar The Deep Dive 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:37.280 about making this movie. I think that there is a 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:40.120 very interesting conversation to be had by different people than me, 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:44.240 but I will be seeking it out. The way that 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:51.360 the Navvy have always been very coded towards like different races, 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:53.840 but then the people that are brought in to play 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:56.720 the characters, like I was very surprised to find that Ranal, 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.840 who is the wife of the you know, the Mechcane, 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:04.640 the water People's leader. Again, she's the wife and he's 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:08.040 the he's the husband and he's the leader. She's played 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:12.360 by Kate Winslet, even though they're very obviously inspired visually 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.880 by the Maori and married communities. Now her husband is 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:19.080 played by a married actor. But there's just some things 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:22.520 like that for this and the kind of the choices 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:27.360 that they make in representing this kind of alien indigenous 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:30.920 community that just doesn't really sit for me. But I 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.160 will say it does follow many of the traditions of 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:35.640 things that we love about comic books. It is an 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:38.919 analogous story. It's just now we're living in a great time. 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:43.439 Twenty twenty two has been an amazing year for indigenous 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.680 entertainment made by Indigenous people, whether it's Spirit Rangers on 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:51.840 Netflix or Prey or you Know Well, which wasn't made 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:54.000 by an Indigenous person but had a lot of Indigenous 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:57.280 people working on it, including the producer. Also you know 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:01.800 obviously Reservation Dogs. Ye. So I think like that puts 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:03.600 it into a different light. I feel like this is 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:06.560 still a very two thousand and nine story even in 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:11.200 twenty twenty two, and I think that for me, shines 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.600 through a little bit more narratively because of the other 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:18.520 entertainment that we kind of get to imbibe in the 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:23.720 stories that we get to experience. But it is a 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:27.400 it's a wild spectacle and an absolute feat of kind 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:30.360 of showing what you can do with CGI. I also 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.480 like to think this movie took you know, like thirteen 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:33.439 years to get made. 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:34.000 Yeah. 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:38.400 I like to think that it's like the I hope 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:40.040 that this is not wrong and there won't be horror 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:41.880 stories coming out, but I like to think that this 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:45.680 is like the most sustainable CG heavy movie that's ever 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:48.080 been made and that everyone who worked on it got 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.520 like a long time to do all the effects and everything, 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:53.440 because like that's the horrible thing about watching a Marvel 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:56.480 movie or a DC movie, a Star Wars movie. You know, 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:58.800 you hear all these horror stories about the incredible v 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.640 effects artists just being run into the ground. And I 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:04.440 love the idea that James Cameron's just like chilling taking 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:07.720 his time, giving everyone like a really good amount of 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.800 time to walk on the movie. This seems like a 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:11.520 very James Cameron move. 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:13.560 It really does. 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:16.720 This movie needs to make over a billion dollars just 1:06:16.760 --> 1:06:20.200 to like break even, So that's gonna be something to watch. 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:23.080 Yeah, COVID, how do you think that's going to go? 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.360 Because we are in a different cinematicandscape. 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:27.640 I think this movie is gonna make I think it's 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:29.240 gonna make billions of dollars. I think it's going to 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:32.280 do it again because I think, you know, I was 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:36.520 struck when I was doing my research for for rewatching 1:06:36.560 --> 1:06:41.120 Avatar ahead of watching Way of Water. How why again, 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:43.040 how wide raging the peel of that movie was. There 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:46.200 was like a story from two thousand and nine of 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:51.600 these Palestinian protesters dressed up like they had painted their 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:56.320 bodies like nave. And again you have this story that 1:06:56.440 --> 1:07:02.800 appeals to people who feel on who feel like they 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:09.080 fall on either side of the various conversations about imperialism 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:13.920 and colonialism, like to name one of the of the 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:16.920 many dualities that this movie manages to straddle. In this 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:21.960 these two movies manages to straddle. It's it's honestly really 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:24.439 crazy that he's managed to do this. And I feel 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:26.960 the same way about you in terms of like the 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:29.520 the maor codedness. Obviously the first one, you know, when 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.000 I was rewatching it the other night, it is like 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:40.520 striking how how American indigenous coded. It is like it's 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.120 not even you can't even see coded because it basically 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:46.640 is like from the war yelps to the casting of 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:50.320 West Study to you know, like this is what it is, you. 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.320 Know, the strange like the one thing that I think 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:55.520 I saw some reviewers kind of astutely point this out, 1:07:55.840 --> 1:08:00.000 but like the costume designs, they lean into this strange 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:04.000 sexualization of the characters even and that I think is 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:06.640 something that feels more in line of the outdated kind 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:09.480 of coding of how how those characters were often portrayed. 1:08:09.760 --> 1:08:12.320 So it's those little things that I think. But you 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:14.400 know what if it if it gets people to feel 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.880 a little bit more thoughtful about this stuff, that's always 1:08:16.920 --> 1:08:17.400 a good thing. 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.000 Now I will say that I think I liked it. 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:21.519 Clearly I liked it more than you. I had a 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:24.519 good time because you know, I for me, it's like 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:27.120 the story is whatever. I feel the same way about 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:30.880 the First Avatar. It's like that movie opens up and 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:34.560 half an hour into it, it's like, Okay, I understand 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:37.680 what's happening here. Yeah, it's such This is not a 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:40.280 subtle movie. And it's the same thing with Way of Water. 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:42.720 You know, this is not a movie where you know, 1:08:43.160 --> 1:08:47.360 you get to the end of act two and you 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:51.640 can feel the story mechanisms working adequately so that like 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:54.720 the villains, you hate them more to you know, like 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:57.200 more than anything else in the world, and you want 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:59.439 the heroes to just like whoop their asses, and you 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.320 understand that this movie is going to give it to you. 1:09:01.360 --> 1:09:03.000 There's never a moment where you're like, this movie is 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:04.960 not going to give me that hero is kicking the 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:06.080 villain's assets moment. 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.160 So I enjoyed it for the spectacle. 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:17.600 And because there's almost something again mathematical archetetical about and 1:09:18.160 --> 1:09:23.320 about the amount of kind of thought that Cameron has 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:29.679 put into crafting a story that you know, super producer 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:31.479 Sol and I were talking about like tropes of sci 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.760 fi and how many various tropes and of sci fi 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.840 and storytelling were at large that the Avatar series uses. 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:43.840 That it's really beyond tropes the way the way this 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:47.679 story and Cameron is able to take themes and things 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:51.680 that different groups care care about and kind of like 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:57.439 boil them down into the most universal like ideals that 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:01.559 people hold, like it's important to protect the family, and 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:06.680 that your land is worth defending, that people should have 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:12.240 a connection to their community, that religion is important and 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:19.960 is worth respecting. That you know, unchecked consumerism that destroys cultures. 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:20.680 Is bad, you know. 1:10:20.800 --> 1:10:25.840 And at the same time, there are a lot of 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:28.639 things here like I'm interested to see what the response 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:30.479 from the Marory communities, Like, there are a lot of 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:35.040 things here where I'm like, gosh, I wonder how people 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:38.519 are going to feel and talk about this, because again. 1:10:38.320 --> 1:10:39.800 I'm interested to see that. 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:46.360 And it feels like the most consciously apolitical movie that 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.400 we've seen, certainly in a long time. 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:49.880 Now. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:51.840 The other thing that I do like about. 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:54.400 This movie, actually love about this movie is that we 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:59.439 haven't had a smoke a big joint and just like 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:03.800 sit back movie to watch the movie, I haven't we 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:05.880 have not had one of those in a long time, 1:11:05.960 --> 1:11:08.360 Like you know the MCU movies. You kind of have 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:13.840 to understand what happened in like thirty three other films. Uh, 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:19.040 there hasn't been like an epic, just like Get Baked 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:21.680 and enjoy the visuals movie in a long time. And 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:25.599 in that sense, I actually quite liked Avatar. And again 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:29.559 when the nove in the third act start striking back, 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:33.960 the story mechanisms absolutely worked on me, and I was like, yes, 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:39.720 show me in slow mo, you know, sixty frames a 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:44.040 second detail. Show me a novey grab a guy by 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:46.559 the head and throw them. 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:48.280 Off the ship into the water. 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:51.240 Show me show me a nove hitting them in the 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:52.960 face with their bows. 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:56.360 Shood chopped off in three D and coming towards you 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:57.080 into the light. 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:04.400 Show me PIU can like fucking bouncing a explosive harpoon 1:12:04.680 --> 1:12:08.959 off his metal skulp plate. So that was pretty badass. 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:11.920 So that it hits another boat and those soldiers. 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.559 Go flying like that part of it was really cool. 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:17.960 But I will again, there's a level, there's a way 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:21.560 to look at the way this entire story is structured 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:26.719 and fuel like there's just like a lot of cynicism here. 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:29.840 I I'm very the funniest thing is right. I think 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.479 talking to you about it as always has enlightened me. 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:35.479 I think I think the major reason, one of the 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:37.479 major reasons that I didn't love the first one, and 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:39.439 I still have not been fully converted, though I did 1:12:39.600 --> 1:12:42.479 enjoy this one more with the visuals. You know, I 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:45.320 really I do not enjoy war movies. They are not 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:51.360 something I've ever particularly enjoyed. There's obviously exceptions of movies 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:53.920 that are like masterpieces, like all Quite on the Western 1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:56.000 Front and Come See and stuff like that, but like 1:12:56.360 --> 1:13:00.400 generally a militarized movie about like giant people there then 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:02.280 they're shoot Well, if it was giants, that would be cool, 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.439 but like big guys and they got guns and they're 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:06.880 killing a bunch of people. That's never appealed to me. 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:11.720 And those were actually the moments, the militarization aspects, even 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:13.800 though they are portrayed negatively. And I do love to 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:17.960 see American very negative negatively that to me, the stuff 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:21.160 where I'd feel myself really getting immersed is like swimming 1:13:21.240 --> 1:13:24.280 under the water and seeing some cool creatures, and then 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:26.720 as soon as it got back to the like violence 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:29.800 and the military and stuff, that's kind of where I 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:33.120 would lose my immersion in the movie and my kind 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.120 of enjoyment. So I think that's it is in some ways, 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:37.640 and this is the nature of the movie. It's a 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.320 war movie, it's an anti war movie, but through the 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:43.479 lens of here are the horrors of war, and in 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:46.519 this case that is not necessarily what I'm looking for. 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:48.680 In a way, I kind of like the more the 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:50.439 aspects of it where it feels more like Europe. I 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:53.000 used to go to the Imax a lot when I 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.639 was a kid in London. They have a big Imax 1:13:55.680 --> 1:13:57.599 there there that for a long time was the biggest 1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:00.320 one in the world, and you could go and pay 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.559 like five or six dollars and see a twenty five 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:06.160 minute to forty five minute long movie that was made 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:09.200 specifically to show off the Imax, and it would be 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:11.599 I saw ones about like the X Games, I saw 1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:14.000 ones about dinosaurs, I saw one about under the sea, 1:14:14.040 --> 1:14:15.639 and there was a lot of moments in this where 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:17.559 I was just like, I just wanted to lose myself 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:20.600 in that huge spectacle of the vibe and experience a 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:25.040 different world. And this does deliver that at certain points, 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:26.560 but there's just things that were kind of taking me 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.840 out of it. And I think it's that aspect of 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:30.920 a story about war. I've always found that hard to 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.720 connect with, even you know, throughout my life as a 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:37.080 film lover. So yeah, I think it is. It's a 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:41.479 very interesting conversation piece, and I think the conversations about 1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:45.040 it will be far more complex and long running than 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:48.120 the kind of meme of the original Avatar, which was 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:49.840 kind of like, oh, it's forgettable, even though it's the 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:52.160 biggest movie in the world. This feels like there's going 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:54.120 to be a lot more kind of in depth conversation 1:14:55.360 --> 1:14:56.280 had about it. 1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:03.000 Let's talk about Spider, So Spider, we must talk about Spider. 1:15:03.080 --> 1:15:07.719 So Spider again, the son, the biological son of Colonel Quaritch. 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:13.160 He's raised on Pandora. He is both part of their 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:18.600 world and not part of their world. He puts on 1:15:18.880 --> 1:15:23.760 blue body paint in a way that feels, you know, 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:29.559 both you know, a nod and a kind of there's 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:33.439 some you know, like a nod to the culture that 1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:36.960 he is immersed in, but also feels like weirdly, it 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:38.479 just feels weird that. 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:39.640 He's like doing that. 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:46.360 Yeah, and Quarch captures him, uh, and then he is tortured, 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:51.439 which is awful, but then kind of bonds with his 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:53.120 father in an interesting. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.679 Way even though so so we just need to say, 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:57.840 like James Cameron in avatat too way of what goes 1:15:57.840 --> 1:15:59.760 out of his way many times to say he is 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:03.519 not technically the biological son of this Quaritch, because this 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:06.760 Quoritch is like a random avatar. He is the biological 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:09.160 son of the other Quoritch who all of his brain 1:16:09.960 --> 1:16:14.200 matta memories and on a USB drive went into the avatar. 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.400 So they do have a connection, but they don't, and 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:18.960 they play on that a lot to kind of do 1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:22.360 this like moral gray area where or like will they 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.000 look after each other will they not? 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:31.080 And they do obviously, And so Spider really becomes Quaritch 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:34.559 is begrudging at times but really right hand person, like 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:39.000 he helps with translations, He teaches them how to bond 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:44.360 with animals using their braids, and in a moment that 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:48.919 I think actually burns the character because all throughout Spider 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:53.800 you can tell is empathizing with the various you know 1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:57.759 Nave who are being brutalized by these bi quartchs military 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:01.760 forces and they're search for Jake. He he stops at 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:05.000 various times his father from just like flat out murdering 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:08.000 the Navi, like just to find Jake and to like 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:13.520 send a message. But after the kind of like climactic 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:18.120 battle between Jake and Quorich under the water where Jake 1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:23.680 chokes out Corrich, Spider, who is who has entered the 1:17:23.720 --> 1:17:28.479 wreck of this whaling vessel, sees his you know father 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:32.400 and Nave form there drowning and decides, fuck it, I'm 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:36.920 gonna save him. And it's a weird moment because on 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:41.800 the one hand, this story is like wants you to 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:45.240 feel for Spider as a as a as a being 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:48.719 without a home, without a father. Yeah, his only father 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.719 figure is not his father. He feels more at home 1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:56.200 amongst an alien species who don't who are very very 1:17:56.520 --> 1:18:00.720 kind and accepting to him as a family. They don't 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:04.960 fully embrace him, right, They're never mean to him in anybody. 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:08.080 Is cold, but the kids see him as a sibling. 1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:10.920 But really it's only Carrie. 1:18:10.960 --> 1:18:17.240 Who truly embraces him, right, and for him to save 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:20.600 the life of their tormentor for reasons. 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:23.160 It just has to be narrative reasons. 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:28.080 That's that, yes, But sure, I mean, like obviously it's 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:31.360 because no, because there isn't even the narrative reason. 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:33.599 Like because they want him to be in the movie 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:34.080 next time. 1:18:34.360 --> 1:18:37.200 But that doesn't even that doesn't even make sense because 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:39.320 they've already established at the beginning of this movie that 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:43.040 death doesn't matter. Just upload another fucking version of that 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:46.559 saved on the hard drive into another Navvy body and 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:47.519 be done with it. 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:48.439 No, you don't need. 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:50.200 Him, he can't die. 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:54.759 I really felt that choice, which is hilarious because like Spider, 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:57.960 I mean, to me, that's a classic, like it's almost 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:02.760 become a trope that like young sidekick, human sidekick that 1:19:02.960 --> 1:19:07.320 kind of annoys people. But the funny thing is the 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:10.639 moment that I found most powerful in this whole film, 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:14.160 in its message about family, was when Spider turned up. 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:16.920 He's at the end of the movie, he's on the ship. 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:19.960 He's obviously binning hooots with Quorich and everything, But the 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:23.320 moment he sees his you know, his Navy siblings, the 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:25.920 people who he's been raised with. He wants to help them. 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:29.000 He helps them, and not for a single second to 1:19:29.080 --> 1:19:31.760 any of them question why he was with them, judge him. 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:33.720 They're just like, we're happy you're here. You're making the 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:36.559 right choice right now, and that's all that matters. I 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:41.439 thought that was such an empathetic, interesting, compassionate choice, and 1:19:41.479 --> 1:19:46.759 I was so deeply bummed to see that final choice, 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:50.080 which sells out the character. But also, just like you said, 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.120 it doesn't really make sense. Just upload a new one, 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.600 make a new Super Super Navy or something, Which is. 1:19:55.720 --> 1:20:01.160 Why I feel like the I think the way the 1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:04.040 movie is going, or the series is going, is that 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:10.640 eventually Spider is going to be you know, Originally, the 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:12.960 reason they create these avatars is to, you know, to 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:16.840 send humans into Navi society so that they could learn 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:20.599 for them and hopefully find a diplomatic solution to the 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:22.680 fact that the human race needs on obtaining them and 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:26.160 various other resources from Pandora and the Navy, you know, 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:32.040 are rightly and fairly and justly and brutally defending their homeland. 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:33.920 So how do we come to an agreement on this? 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:37.280 And then eventually Quartz is like, Okay, Jake, you're going 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:38.960 to go in. You're going to learn from the enemy. 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:40.479 You're going to learn their way so that we can 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:45.200 more effectively destroy them from within. I think, if I'm right, 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:50.000 I think that's what Spider is being set up to do. Spider, 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:52.920 they are going to, like Quarch, eventually they're going to 1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:56.080 move him aside and the true villain. 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:58.200 I hope this is what they're doing. 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:00.720 This is actually what I hope that they're doing, and 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:07.680 that eventually Spider becomes that dagger pointed directly at the 1:21:07.720 --> 1:21:10.080 heart of the novey. Who understands their ways, who is 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:13.760 raised amongst them, let's really speak their language perfectly, who 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.000 understands the way they think, the way their cultures work, 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:19.160 the things they care about. And it's eventually in the 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:22.280 further movie, in the you know, the later sequels, Spider, 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:26.360 who is going to be the uber weapon of humanity 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:30.200 that Jake never was, that Jake rejected. That's the only 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:31.800 way this makes sense to me. 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:34.479 I think that makes a lot of sense, especially there 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:39.480 would be a lot of good, sad kind of irony 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:44.680 in Spider in the fourth or fifth movie getting to 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:49.400 become Novvey and using an avatar himself and being able 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:51.759 to achieve the one thing that he'd always wanted to achieve, 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:55.639 but in a space where he's using it to destroy 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:57.759 them also makes a lot of sense on a narrative 1:21:57.840 --> 1:21:59.800 level if we think about the fact that him and 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:02.800 k have this deep connection, and something this movie clearly 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:05.720 sets up is it's almost implied that Kiri is sort 1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:11.559 of the daughter of Pandora. Kiri is partially made of Pandora. 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:12.280 Kiri Knight. 1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:15.600 She has a connection with the planet and the planets 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:17.200 like bio consciousness. 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:19.360 That is, she's. 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:23.120 Able to command, She's able to command the plant life 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:25.320 and the and the and the animal. 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:29.200 Life to attack, uh. 1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:31.439 Like the human naval forces in a way that is 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:33.920 clearly superhuman super navy. 1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:37.519 Yeah, and super navy. I like that, Yeah, And I 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.320 think it would make a lot of sense because then 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:43.040 you can have the inevitable conflict between Spider and Kirie. 1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:45.760 But the real truth is that then Spider would likely 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.400 come in the final moments, would make the right decision 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:51.240 because Kurrie is the person that he was connected with. 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.760 Now, if that is the case, if if they are 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:57.880 setting up Spider to eventually be like the Uber villain 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.080 of this series. I actually think, now this is a 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:02.040 really interesting Now I'm really interested in this. 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:03.080 Now I'm like, wait a. 1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:07.800 Minute, because I think the implications of him saving him 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:10.360 beyond the plot, because again I think it doesn't matter 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:11.080 for the plot. 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:14.200 Because because I like your point the us upload, I. 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:18.080 Think the implications are really interesting because like what happens 1:23:18.120 --> 1:23:25.400 when Spider tells them. 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:25.439 I'm assuming he doesn't tell them that's right, and then 1:23:25.520 --> 1:23:29.040 that becomes the third movie is really about the conflict 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:32.280 of them finding out and Korwich being an active player, 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:36.120 or you have a kind of situation where Quorich is 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:39.400 still injured and in the forest and Spider is secretly 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:41.720 helping keeping him alive while they do this kind of 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:44.599 greater battle against the sky people. 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:47.719 I hope that that that that is the case, because 1:23:48.680 --> 1:23:52.439 this conversation reminds me a little bit of the the 1:23:52.479 --> 1:23:58.080 Iniatu movie The Revenant starring Leo, which which is a 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:01.559 movie that I enjoyed for the spectacle, but also kind 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:05.040 of disagreed with in the sense that you know, there's 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:10.479 Leo's character. The movie didn't seem to understand that Leo's character, 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:13.439 while a hero, in the course of the story is 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:19.439 also like the vanguard of this European invasion that is 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:23.400 like pressing its way into the heart of the indigenous lands. 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.360 Like the fact that he is out there like looking 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:29.600 for furs, and yes, he has a mohawk wife, But 1:24:29.680 --> 1:24:32.759 the fact that he is out there leading people deeper 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:36.000 and deeper and deeper into this territory, albeitly in a 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:40.080 peaceful way, is like forging the path for the conflict 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:44.200 that is coming. And in that sense, like Jake and 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:49.000 then Spider after him, make you grapple with the question 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:53.480 of is there any way for a technologically advanced society 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:58.519 to interact with with a less technologically advanced society in 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.519 a way that is at all equitable? Like is there 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:06.880 any way that those two groups can come to an 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:12.519 understanding based on the values, knowledge, and material culture that 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:16.240 they both have. And in that sense, like again, if 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:18.600 Spider is the villain, that's interesting. If it's just like 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:20.599 a weird thing to keep the plot going, then I 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:26.880 think this is terrible, But I'd be fascinated to see 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:29.240 what happens when Jake and his family find out that 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:32.880 fucking Spider. Yeah, they have been nothing but great too, 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:34.920 nothing but wonderful. 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:35.799 Love understand. 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:39.040 They fucking raise this kid. They let him hang out 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:42.040 with them, pull on their tails. He hisses like a 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:46.120 novvey when he's threatened. When they find out that he 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:51.920 saved the life of their greatest tormentor, I wonder what 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:53.240 their reaction will be, I. 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:55.639 Really do, And we will get to find that out. 1:25:55.680 --> 1:26:00.519 Because Avata three yet untitled that we can probably guess 1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:02.439 it might have something to do with you know, fire 1:26:02.680 --> 1:26:09.479 or win this point fire, Yeah, you know exactly. You 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:15.560 know those are all great, but we Avatar three was 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:19.479 actually filmed alongside this. So whatever happens, however this Avatar 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:24.400 performs in this post COVID landscape, Avatar three will come out, 1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:26.960 so we will find that the question is whether it 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:30.720 will perform well enough for Avatar four and five to 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:34.000 be made. So whatever happens, we'll find out what happens 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.719 in the third movie. And James Cameron, as he always 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:40.080 is in his fox jacket, had a very cool, chill 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:44.080 viewpoint on it on the special I watched where he 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:46.799 was kind of like, audiences have changed, things that people 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:48.960 like have changed. Let's just see how it goes. I 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:50.840 hope people connect with it, and if they don't, that's 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:53.120 also okay, and he's. 1:26:53.080 --> 1:26:54.519 Like, this guy is so fucking rich. 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:59.479 He's created, he has created, like with Titanic and Avatar. 1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:05.439 He is twice directed, the biggest ever in. 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:08.680 Terminated Too, was like the most expensive movie ever made 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:10.759 when it came out. And I will just say Spider 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:13.240 does fit into in my opinion, he is the worst 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:17.360 version of but look Aliens, now, James Cameron put a 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:18.759 kid in there and they'll. 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:21.839 Ragtag kid who needs to see also had made. 1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.240 He's the best version of that character in my book, 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:30.200 John Connor in Terminator Too. If you're making a James 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:33.679 Cameron sequel, you've got to have a small child. Sadly, Spider, 1:27:33.720 --> 1:27:35.920 he's low on the ranking for me of the James 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:40.559 Cameron small child sequel trope. But yeah, I'll be very interested. 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:42.880 I really like that. It's so funny how I never 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.240 really thought I never really been like getting deep into 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:46.439 like Avatar theories. 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:46.680 You know. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:48.679 My theory is very much in the in the comic 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:51.960 book movie and action movie kind of franchise horror space. 1:27:52.320 --> 1:27:56.160 But I'm very invested in your Avatar theory. I think 1:27:56.560 --> 1:27:58.839 if that's the way they're leading, that could go somewhere 1:27:58.840 --> 1:27:59.720 pretty interesting. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:03.800 Yeah, I think that that's when you know this story 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:06.200 has been Again, it's pretty basic. It's all about the spectacle, 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:08.040 like if you're looking like, oh my god, well, I'd 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:10.400 be spoiled blusb to warn about it. But if they 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:12.799 go in that direction, if they go in that direction, 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:16.880 I actually think, you know, the questions about like how again, 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.000 how you how I technologically advanced culture can interact with 1:28:20.040 --> 1:28:24.559 a with a more you know, with a more naturalistic culture, 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.840 I think is a really interesting one. 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