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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn? Baby, bless there? What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Chris Raybond and this Action Network. This is our twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three Fantasy Football Bust episode. We already have our

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Speaker 2: Sleepers episode out, so be sure to check that out.

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Speaker 2: Here to break all the busts down at each position,

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Speaker 2: one of the top rankers in the game, the odds maker,

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Speaker 2: Sean Kerner, Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Ready to it on? Jamison Williams adp one

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Speaker 1: last time?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm so sad. I can't. I I

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Speaker 2: just don't don't. I don't even know which?

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Speaker 1: How?

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Speaker 2: Why? Just doesn't make sense?

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Speaker 1: At tune.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's we're gonna go through our our top bus guys.

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Speaker 2: We're avoiding at each position and uh, This can be

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Speaker 2: very valuable because you know, uh sleepers, you know, the

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Speaker 2: chances of you actually be having a chance to draft them.

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Speaker 2: I think we're a little lower, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: times busts are guys that most people are going to

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Speaker 2: So it is important to kind of talk through these

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Speaker 2: guys at quarterback. Not as much, but let's still start there.

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Speaker 2: Who you got for bus at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you like you mentioned like no one really

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Speaker 1: been getting much Derek Carr at QB nineteen, so I'll

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Speaker 1: go with him. You know, he he's mainly like a

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Speaker 1: I'm still not kidding him because he's he's looked great

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Speaker 1: this preseason, Like this Saints offense does look like it's

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr on the Saints, you know, you've mentioned that

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Speaker 1: he does struggle in the first year under a new

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Speaker 1: and I think people realize, which might, you know, force

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Speaker 2: Nag he hasn't missed the game yet, which I know.

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Speaker 2: these rounds. You can only lose it. Every one is

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Lions, DeAndre sist is former Lion, is

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Speaker 2: That's why I are doing this podcast. Exactly, I agree,

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Speaker 1: I think Madison has a way higher floor than DeAndre Swift.

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Speaker 2: It could be four way committee. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: Way, he's gonna get his three to four touchdowns this year.

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Speaker 1: doesn't have that many talented backs behind him, you know,

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00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: I could see like a Keishan Vaughan, Chase Edmunds, or

431
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: even a Sean Tucker who I do like eating into

432
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: his workload. So it's just one of those situations where

433
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: his value might peak Week one and then from there

434
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: it devolves into more of a committee or he gets

435
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: leap frogs. So it's just a dangerous situation drafting a

436
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: back like that running back nineteen, whereas I think Madison

437
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: is on more stable ground in that way. But yeah,

438
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: Rashada White is a back that I'm not getting in

439
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: my top twenty. So I think he's definitely a red flag,

440
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: definitely a frozen pond type of bust situation happening.

441
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, I think the concerning thing for me,

442
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: uh was the yards after contact because this Tampa Bay

443
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: offensive line. I was talking to our guy Brandon Anderson

444
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: about this. You know, he did the uh he released

445
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: a great piece on Action network dot com where he

446
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,239
Speaker 2: ranked and tiered all the offensive lines and I think

447
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: he had the bucks like nineteenth or something like that.

448
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, how, like, how like they have

449
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: they have one they have one good lineman and he's

450
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: switching sides and not even might might not be too

451
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: happy about.

452
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: It, major anxiety over it too.

453
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, yeah, no, I know it's so

454
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: it's like the best, the best lineman as question Mark's

455
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: like the center what was his name? Jensen? He missed

456
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: the whole year and came back for that one playoff game.

457
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: He would cook. Maybe now he's he's on the wrong

458
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: side of thirty, so I don't know if he bounces

459
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: back Goodeki can't watch anyone. There's a rookie at one

460
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: of the spots. So like this is this is probably

461
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a bad offensive line again, is what I'm

462
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: getting at. And in that situation, you need it back.

463
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: That's gonna be able to create after contact. Like the

464
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: just the straight up explosive runs and lack of whatever

465
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: doesn't worry me as much because like that's probably an

466
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: offensive line stat but like just straight up creating yards

467
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: after contact is gonna be more more attributable to the

468
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: running backs talent and skill level. And that's where we

469
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: haven't seen enough of White to this this point. Now this,

470
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: but this Bucks backfield, I mean, there's not really much there,

471
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: so I get why he's kind of rising. But yeah,

472
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: like it's you know, you don't expect many touchdowns. You

473
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: don't expect you know, it's just I think the best

474
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: thing that could happen to him would be if he

475
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: just uh kind of catches a lot of passes because

476
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: you just lost Russell Gage. Uh So you really don't

477
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: have much behind Evans and and God when you still

478
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: have Kate att and I guess, but he's kind of

479
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, he didn't have super impressive rookieyear all

480
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: things considered. Uh So, I mean there's a chance White

481
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: could be like the number three target, but this is

482
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: also not Tom Brady anymore. So the running backs might

483
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: not get like eight checkdowns per game because they might

484
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: not have to. They might not throw fifty eight times

485
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: just to get two hundred and seventy three yards or

486
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: whatever is that they were doing last year. So it's yeah,

487
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a it's a tough team

488
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: to project that. We just got news that Baker's gonna

489
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: be the Week one starter, probably holds the job or

490
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: a decent amount of the year. Kyle Trast didn't look great,

491
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: But Baker Mayfield from what I off the top of

492
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: my head, I don't remember him being a big checkdown guy.

493
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: Definitely not in Cleveland, Definitely not in uh La. And

494
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: then the Panthers had Christian McCaffrey, So I mean, yeah,

495
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna throw the bae at running back when you

496
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: have McCaffrey. But yeah, this this uh is this Bucks

497
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: backfield situation. Yet, like even if White gets, you know,

498
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: fifteen eighteen touches average per game, like he could, he

499
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: could get like three touchdowns all year, so he could

500
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: still be frustrated. So yeah, he's I got him in

501
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: the mid twenties. It's yeah. I kind of did a

502
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: double take when I saw him at at RB nineteen

503
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: that James Cook rather James Cook there, James Cook over

504
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: old day. Okay, let's see to that. Who's next tn oh,

505
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson Junior. You know me, I'm I'm just I hammered.

506
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson's under so hard that the books just took

507
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: his yard his rushing yards total down. I don't know

508
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: if it's I haven't seen it back up yet. Maybe

509
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: it is, but I just think this is just a

510
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: bad situation. You go, you have a new regime or

511
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: like a new offensive regime with you know, Turner giving

512
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: way to Eric b Enemy. Yeah, the coach talking up

513
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: Gibson and saying I want to give him more touches,

514
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: and then the offensive coordinator saying I want to I

515
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: wanted to draft the s guy Rodriguezo's set overlaps with Robinson.

516
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Rodriguez has looked good through two preseason games, and Robinson

517
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: is an early down back on one of the worst

518
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: teams in the league that might be a lot less

519
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: run heavy because they just fired their OC and hired

520
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: one that has always been pass heavy in the enemies.

521
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: So and by the way, this precedent for Brian Robinson

522
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: just getting benched at some point. Isaiah Pacheco late round

523
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: guy ceh starts the year got benched before he got hurt,

524
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: like he got hurt after getting benched. So it's is

525
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: just like it's it's bad enough that you have like

526
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: you're already in this committee where you're not going to

527
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: catch the football because you got Gibson there, and Gibson

528
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: also could challenge you for carries. But when you when

529
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: you add in like a challenger, like a rookie challenger,

530
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: that just overlaps at you're skill set and you're you

531
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: weren't like a particularly explosive back. I think it'll be

532
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: a little better this year, you know, a year removed

533
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: from U the shooting, so but still three point nine

534
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: yards for carry last year not not enough. Only two

535
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: points under two point seven after contact, which is not

536
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: enough for a guy, a power runner like that. And

537
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: you only had you only had two rushing touchdowns. It's

538
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: not like what is this guy doing for us? Like

539
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: what like what is the upside? Like even if he

540
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: even if he like you expect Robinson to be like

541
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: the RB thirty five, Like what's his upside? Like RB

542
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: twenty five, like like you know what I mean, it's

543
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: it's I just don't see the point. In twenty twenty

544
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: three of drafting a guy who's probably gonna be a

545
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: zero in the in the past game.

546
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think of a comparison. He's

547
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: like James Connor without the touchdown and receiving upside.

548
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, James Connor. I mean, like, I mean,

549
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with him, but he's

550
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: probably shaping up to be a steal for.

551
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not bagging on James Connor. I'm just

552
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: saying that there's nothing redeemable about Brian Robinson right now,

553
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: and his papa is still up. It's seven hundred and

554
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: fifty rushing yards. Oh it's back.

555
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm about to go get some more down

556
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: on it.

557
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for.

558
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: But see, that's crazy because I had it under I

559
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: think it was at that and then the books just

560
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: took it down, and so what did they just like

561
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: think everyone was gonna forget and they just put it

562
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: back up. It's the same. I am about to go

563
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: bang on again.

564
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Wait wait for uh.

565
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean I remember the days where but I remember

566
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: the days when books just like reset their lines instead

567
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: of like just like baking them disappear for a while

568
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: until they hope everyone forgetting it's on to the next

569
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: piece of content that you know, like come on, guys,

570
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: like like like you know, it works for better for

571
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: all of us if you just change the line and

572
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, try to get action on the other side,

573
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: Like come on, man, got to get these Brian Robinson

574
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: bets in. So yeah, not not getting any Brian Rods.

575
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 2: I just I just don't see the point. Like I'm

576
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: rooting for the guy who went through a lot, loved

577
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: the big hat, but I mean just all all the

578
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: red flags and just just I just don't see it,

579
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: don't see the upside at all. And then there's another

580
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: guy that I feel like no one's ready talking about

581
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: him positively or negatively. He's just kind of there projected

582
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: to do exactly what he did last year, because that's

583
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: how the market tends to work. Once you get outside

584
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: the top, you know, it's just like a top the starters,

585
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: I guess the top one hundred or whatever. But Jarreck McKinnon,

586
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: this dude is a thirty one year old back who

587
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: had a five game stretch where he scored eight touchdowns,

588
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: never crack nine half PBR points in any of his

589
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: other games, averaged seven and a half touches per game,

590
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing with Jarrick mckinnony, Like, yes,

591
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: he's in a chief offense where a season like last

592
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: year is possible, but you don't want to chase it,

593
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: especially with a thirty one year old who's missed thirty

594
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: six games over the past five years. Like this is

595
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: just just screams like go somewhere else, and now Edward

596
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: Dulaire might be more of a factor again, and we're

597
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: still gonna have Pacheco who's on an uptick and passing

598
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: usage as the year went on, and he's a very

599
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: good player. And it's just I just, you know, I

600
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: just don't see where we're getting this upside unless you're

601
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: just chasing touchdown production, which we know is unreliable even

602
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: in an offense as good as the Chiefs, because, like

603
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: we said, they have like fifteen different wide receivers that

604
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: they could keep on the final roster. You know, they

605
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: always have a couple, like a couple of good backup

606
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: tight ends, Like I'm not getting any German.

607
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the reason mckennay went bonkers in the

608
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: second half last year is because Clyde Edwards Hilaire was out,

609
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: so they just made it more of a two back committee,

610
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: but they do like to use a three back committee.

611
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: So if Hilaire's healthy, he will factor in and take

612
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: away a lot of those touches mckennay was getting. And

613
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: then h Denerk Prince if he makes the team, could

614
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of fill that role, or if they trade away

615
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaire, but either way, they don't want McKennon

616
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: getting as much work as he saw the second half

617
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: of last year. That was because Edwards Hilaire was hurt.

618
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, like his his ADP is a little bit

619
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: too high because like you said, people are probably overweghing

620
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: the second half of last season.

621
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's my thing with McKennon, is that

622
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: just from normal projection process of just regressing touchdowns to

623
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: the mean, this dude average seven and a half touches,

624
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: Like what are we really doing.

625
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Right?

626
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Seven and a half touches? Like like goal line work

627
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: almost never, you know, go on. I guess you could

628
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: say goal on work in the past game, but that's

629
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: a lot far less reliable. And I still think his

630
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: best attribute in terms of contributions to the team is

631
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: as a pass blocker, which you know that means he's

632
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: not gonna be running a route or he's gonna run

633
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: a Dade route. So and this is not just McKinnon.

634
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: I should say, like he is a very unique case

635
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: because he has had so many touchdowns. But in general,

636
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: from playing fantasy year after year after year after year,

637
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: one thing I've noticed almost never fails. Just don't chase

638
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: those passing down backs that like had like an outlier

639
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: season like remember, here's a good one. Remember Charles Simms

640
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: had that one year where he finishes like the RB

641
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: like twenty five or something, and it was just like

642
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: what Charles Simms, And then like the next year he's

643
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: just like, you know, not a complete non factors, Like,

644
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: don't chase like Danny Woodhead with like a top like

645
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: a RB three finish like, but that was great, good one,

646
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Chris Christopher, Tom, Chris Thompson, whatever, Christal whatever, Chris Thompson.

647
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: Not nine games, RB RB thirteen per average in nine games,

648
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: never gonna get to ten games, always gonna just white

649
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Clocker get hurt at that ninth game. But yeah, just

650
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: go at the fantasy stats of running backs each year,

651
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you'll find an example almost every year

652
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: of like the flavor of the month pass catching back

653
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: THEO Riddic. It's a good one, THEO Ridic.

654
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: Yep.

655
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's like even if they come close the

656
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: next year, it's like a lot of times to have

657
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: an outlier passing, uh, you know, as a satellite back,

658
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: you need like outlier touchdowns, outlier game script like all

659
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: like probably a couple of yeah, like a couple of

660
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: those like draw plays at the end of the half

661
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: where you're just trying to run out the clock but

662
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: the defense gives you like thirty yards because it's the

663
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: last play and no one has timeouts, Like just all

664
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: these things have to go right, and then the next

665
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: year is like if they even come close in most cases,

666
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: like probably I'm gonna I'm gonna do some study on

667
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: this and actually get numbers, but I'm i gotta bet

668
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: the amount the percentage of backs who like finish is

669
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: to say top thirty six or top forty eight even

670
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: and then have a higher ADP the next year of

671
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: those satellite backs, I would it's gotta be like twenty

672
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: percent or less. Like it's just like even a guy

673
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: like Kareem Hunt, you know, late like you know, wasn't

674
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: able to, like, you know, it's just it's just so hard.

675
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: It's so many name hines. I mean, I could go

676
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: on and on, but yeah, uh no, no, no McKinnon,

677
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: No McKinnon for me, another one didn't even write him down.

678
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: But Damien Harris, I don't, I don't. I don't want

679
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: him as a top fifty back either at all.

680
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: Oh he's not a pass touching back you're just talking about?

681
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I just I just I'm just looking at

682
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: ADP and I think it was just like assuming, like

683
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: what is Damion Harris doing? Like you know, like James

684
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: Cook is the best running back, He's the guy that's

685
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: gonna catch passes. What Damien Harris is gonna battle Josh Allen.

686
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: He'll block Josh touchdown.

687
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean honestly with Tavis Murray got only

688
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: a little bit less money and you know, could end

689
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: up out playing him. Well, Davis Murray was decent last year,

690
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: and from what I saw of him in this preseason,

691
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: well Harris hurt. So yeah, I wouldn't even bank on

692
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: Harris holding that job, even if if he does win

693
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: it at all. So yeah, don't want don't want him either.

694
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: But uh yeah. So that's uh, that's it. Just you know,

695
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: no Nause, no Swift, no Rashad White, no Josh Jacobs,

696
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: Obris hall O'Brien, Robinson Junior, no Jerck McKinnon, no Damien Harris.

697
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: Uh that uh, that should help you guys, yep, draft

698
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: a better team.

699
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,239
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700
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to wide receiver Jamison Williams

725
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: way too high?

726
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Why? Why?

727
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: What explained this to me?

728
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: How?

729
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: Like I don't even like how because like a lot

730
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: of times I'm always like, like whether it's weekly rankings

731
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: or season long like I just tend to be very

732
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: far from consensus on a lot of different guys. But like,

733
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: I know you're a little more sensible and I'm a

734
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: little more in line with the market even when you're

735
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: like off one guys, like just explained to me, Like, what,

736
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: how is the market even getting to like a wide

737
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: receiver forty five ADP for Jamis and Williams? Like where

738
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't even know how numbers wise, how

739
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: are we getting here?

740
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Don't ask me, ask the market. I can't explain it.

741
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: It's like when Ronald Jones, Remember Ronald Jones was like

742
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: RB thirty one. Yeah, I was like, what are people doing?

743
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I can't explain it either, because like, even if Jamis

744
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: and Williams was ready to go week one, where would

745
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: you have ranked? I would have ranked in the forties.

746
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: If Davis and Williams was active in week one?

747
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: Act he was, he had the potential of playing seventeen

748
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: games this year. Where would you rank them? Uh?

749
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Probably wide receiver sixty five ish?

750
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh okay, A little bit like I mean.

751
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, all right, so here's my thing. Here's

752
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: my thing. He hasn't he We know the theoretical talent, Yeah,

753
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: we see it. We've seen him in college. I get.

754
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: But now he's in the NFL, you see him play

755
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: six games. In those six games, first of all, that

756
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: that no point in those six games, in any one

757
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: of them, did the Lions care to play him more

758
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: than twenty five percent of the offensive snaps?

759
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: So like they did not. Part of that was due

760
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: to his acl still, you know, okay, healing, okay, things

761
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: like that, but he wasn't getting targeted.

762
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: He caught. He got caught one of nine targets he

763
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: to be fair, it was for like a forty yard

764
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: game and he did have another bigger wife. But right,

765
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: uh yeah, exactly, it was a bus of coverage if

766
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: I remember correctly.

767
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeap.

768
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: So he's not even he's never gotten he's never even

769
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: gotten like a true catch in the NFL like that

770
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: he earned. So and then like I'm watching this preseason game,

771
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, my Giants, you know, are in a battle

772
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: with the with the Lions and Adrian Martinez for preseason

773
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: week one bragging rights, and like I'm just kind of like,

774
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not like even paying like one hundred

775
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: percent attention. I think other games are going on at

776
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: the time, or might have I might have been about

777
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: to go out, and I just look up, and who

778
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: do I see in the fourth quarter Davison Williams. And

779
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: then I'm like, okay, I see him. I see him catch.

780
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: I say him catch like a two point conversion. I'm like, oh,

781
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: he's like he's uh, you know, he's having he's having

782
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: a great game. Good for him, like get it, get

783
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: him to confidence. Did I look at the stat lining

784
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: and he got two or six targets for eighteen yards?

785
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: This guy might just be a bad player, a bad

786
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: NFL player. He just like it happens sometimes.

787
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Do you know why he was playing the entire game?

788
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't think we've mentioned this yet. Did you know that?

789
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: No? Wow?

790
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: Is he suspended the first six games? Yeah?

791
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I didn't know. That was just like as

792
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: simple as that.

793
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, no, the ADP already is probably to hide

794
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: if he were to play all seventeen yes, but oh,

795
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: by the way, he's suspended for the first six games

796
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: of the season. Explain his ADP. Now I can't, I can't.

797
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's a very good change. Like, so he

798
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: missed all of camp his rookie year and the first

799
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: three months of the season. Fine, okay, you don't you

800
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: want to use him as a rotation little deep threat. Fine,

801
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: Now he's had a camp, he's had an off season,

802
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: comes back still terrible. They're playing him into the fourth quarter.

803
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: He plays into the fourth quarter, has a shit game,

804
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: gets hurt. Now he's out for the rest of the preseason.

805
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: If that injury stretches into the regular season, he's not

806
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: allowed to get treatment in the facility, So he's not

807
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: gonna be in the building. He's hurt, he's not gonna

808
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: be He has no chance to develop behind the scene

809
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: from now until we see him play in the Lions

810
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: seventh game. No, like zero chance, Like he's gonna be

811
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: out of the facility. We know he's not developing, just

812
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: like on his own, because he was just as bad

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: in that preseason game as he was all the last season.

814
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Like James and Williams, career starts in twenty twenty four.

815
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, and the Waions might honestly

816
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: think the same thing, because like, all right, let's let's

817
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: say he comes back in week seven, right, given all

818
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: that we've seen from him, knowing that he's hurt, knowing

819
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: that he hasn't been good, knowing that he hasn't been

820
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: in the building, knowing that he hasn't really developed as

821
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: an NFL pro, do we really expect him to come

822
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: back in that seventh game and play anything more than

823
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: twenty five percent routes to start either, like he's gonna

824
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: have another ramp up period. I feel like similar to

825
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: the one last year. Now he has more time. So

826
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: let's say but you could have another six games of

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: him being like the number five wide receiver.

828
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that, and there's still.

829
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: No guarantee that he's a like eighty percent ninety percent

830
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: route guy at any point at any point during this year.

831
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think this. This is one of the

832
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: most egregious ADP's. I think I I've ever seen in

833
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: fantasy football history. James and Williams in the top five receivers.

834
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: Like this, Yeah, this is up there. Ronald Jones is

835
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: number two, but this is number one. This takes a cake.

836
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: Because this is like math doesn't even you know, it

837
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: just doesn't checked out, Like it's what He's just like, okay,

838
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's just not mathing. It's like, oh,

839
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: it's one thing if you're just like all right, I

840
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: just think Ronald Jones is gonna get a bunch of

841
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: carries and but it's like it's just like it's like

842
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: James and Williams could get a bunch of routes and

843
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: still not produced. And there's nothing indicating that he's gonna

844
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: get a bunch of routes.

845
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

846
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I I I will get no Jamison Williams

847
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: at any point during this season, Like I I think,

848
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: I let's see where I have him.

849
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: Uh, are you down at like ninety something?

850
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: I need to I mean, after this injury. Eighty five,

851
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: eighty five, eighty five, bold but fair, I got it.

852
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: I got it over them. It's too high, it's too high.

853
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: I guess he's probably just taking some of those Denzel

854
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: Mims targets. But I know Dylan Drummond's been having a

855
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: good camp. Oh yeah, uh, and Kalif Raymond has got

856
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: extended and honestly, everything I've seen of football over these

857
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: past couple of years tells you that Khalif Raymond is

858
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: a better roide receiver than James Williams. I'm not saying

859
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: he has more talent. I say so, who's point in

860
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: their ears? Kalif Raymond and everyone else on every other

861
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: practice squad has been a better wide receiver.

862
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: Than James Williams, even Michael Bandy, even Michael Bandy.

863
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 2: Michael Bandy caught a couple of passes from right. There's

864
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: always this one catch on a buzzle cover one and

865
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: and two two in four quarters of preseason action, two

866
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: plus a two point conversion.

867
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: He didn't don't forget he had that forty yard run, Yeah,

868
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: I have run.

869
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so he's fat, So make up a running back,

870
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 2: put him in the swift row or something.

871
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Dave Montgomery shares please don't. But

872
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean they need they need a RB three.

873
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: Everyone's like Ibraham got hurt, Jackson retired. They're like drafting

874
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: like flies out here about to get some Jamar Jefferson season.

875
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: Craig Craig reynolds man, Yeah, yeah, number three's.

876
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's gonna be the number three. They who's

877
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: Oh Betty Snell is there too, Yeah, he's he's not

878
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: gonna be the number three. But I do say an

879
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: interesting name on your list, and that is that is

880
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: Chris Olave. So this fun, This is this reminds me

881
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: of like those times and where you're like, you know what,

882
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: you guys have to bet under Travis Kelsey and it's like, Okay,

883
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna get so much ship.

884
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: For this, but I know, I know, I am. This

885
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: brings me no pleasure, and it's you know, it's it's

886
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: a complicated definition here of a bust. He's just the

887
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: guy I have n't getting much in drafts, so I'm

888
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: going with that is my definition. But you know, like

889
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: one of the reasons the Lave went off his rookie

890
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: other than being really freaking good, is that both you know,

891
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas and Jarvis Landry both went down with injuries

892
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: early in the season. Done done for the year, So

893
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, Olave saw a massive target share as a result. However,

894
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Thomas is back and healthy for now,

895
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna get other weapons like Rashi Shahed.

896
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Juwan Johnson is having a great camp, great preseason. I

897
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: think he and Derek Carr have a good connection. He

898
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: could be like the Darren Waller in this offense for

899
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. So I think other guys are gonna step up.

900
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, Olave's target share is gonna go down a bit.

901
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: Plus I mentioned, you know, the Saints have the easiest

902
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: schedule in the league, so they might not see as

903
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: many trailing game scripts, maybe don't have to throw as

904
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: deep as much, which could hurt Olave's ceiling. So I

905
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: have a lovvy you know, Smack Dab in my wide

906
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: receiver two tier, but he's being drafted at the top

907
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: of it. So you know, I have DeVante Smith, DK

908
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: metcalf t Higgins, Key, and Allen all ranked ahead of

909
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: a LAVE, but he's being drafted in front of all

910
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: of them. So that's kind of why I've ended up

911
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: with so few shares of a LAVE. Not because I

912
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's talented, quite the opposite. Just I think

913
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: those other guys are locked into a higher target shower

914
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: than a LAVE. You know, as long as Michael Thomas

915
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: is healthy, so I'm not really concerned about Lave heading

916
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: a or two. But I think just he had the

917
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: perfect storm as a rookie as to why he went off.

918
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: So he's just a guy. You know, he's towards the

919
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: bottom of a tier where he's being drafted at the

920
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: top of a tier. So that's why I'm saying, like,

921
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: in that range, I rather take those other guys ahead

922
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: of him.

923
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: So where do where do you actually have him rank?

924
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: What is the seventeen?

925
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: And his APS is what fifteen?

926
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: ORB twelve?

927
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: Right now, he's not He's not an ur RB that

928
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: should be jameis one right.

929
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: Wide receiver twelve. Yeah, he's wide recip twelve. Now if

930
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: I look at like recent drafts the past couple of weeks,

931
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: he's like wide receiver twelve Jesus.

932
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: That that's a little bit aggressive. I just on principle,

933
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: I just try to load up on he's like talented

934
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: here two guys, So I can't. I can't get with

935
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: you on this whole love. I mean, I get it,

936
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: I get it, But I also like, I'm not projecting,

937
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 2: like I'm protecting Michael Thomas to play like, let me see,

938
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: not not not not a lot of games.

939
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: More games. I'm projecting him to play more games than

940
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: last year. Let's just put it that way.

941
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: I got it, got Michael Thomas a twelve point two games,

942
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: so and that's one of the lowest of anybody I

943
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: think I have.

944
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: So, but I do have I do.

945
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: I do take your point because I actually have alas

946
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: the wide receiver nineteen. So I'm yeah, no, I get it.

947
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: But like I try to tell people in these in

948
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: this kind of at least for me, in this range,

949
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of separation. So it's just more

950
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: gonna come down to like things like bye weeks or

951
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: stacks in bastball, or you know, like if I if

952
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm doing a bunch of drafts and I just noticed

953
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of Olave exposure. I don't

954
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: mind taking him. I mean twelve is pretty aggressive. I

955
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: mean I don't that's right to take. I still want

956
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: like Jaylen Waddle and Smith's exactly Garrett Wilson over you know,

957
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: over him. But yeah, I don't think. I don't think

958
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna bust or anything like that.

959
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We should have probably defined

960
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: what it means to be a bust. He's like Jamison

961
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: Williams is my number one bust for wide receiver.

962
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna miss his eighty p I'm like forty

963
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: forty spots a lot more.

964
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: But if we're nitpicking here, I had to pick somebody

965
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: in the top thirty. Olave is just the guy that

966
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: I have the least exposure to, just based on my

967
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: draft strategy and based on his target share. That's all.

968
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad wide receiver, quite the opposite,

969
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: but that that's why I have listed here. That is.

970
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: I would I would probably say mine would be like

971
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman in the top thirty or Deontay Johnson one

972
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: of those guys. But those are I mean, they're right

973
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: on the fringe though, So yeah, I think it's kind

974
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: of cheating if you say, if you want to you

975
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: want to go top twenty. I think the guy have

976
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: the least exposure to and in the top twenty probably

977
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: is DeAndre Hopkins because I guess he just rise. And

978
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: then Judy, Jerry Judy, I don't I don't like. It's

979
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: not that I like the player, but I don't know.

980
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: He's just he's not I don't know when I watch

981
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: him play. Like, I think Terry mclaurran's a better receiver

982
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: than Jerry Judy. Not everyone will agree, but I think

983
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: a lot of that also is like what they did

984
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: in college and kind of like bumping that in with

985
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: who they've been as a pro, and I you know,

986
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: I think McLaren has been a better pro.

987
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I think it will probably be Judy

988
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: of the first foot and Harris here. We're like in

989
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: my wide receiver tiers, I said, give me any two

990
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: of these guys in my draft and I'm happy.

991
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: So it was a big blank sheet of paper and

992
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: you you chose to write Chris. So that's aw you, bro.

993
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: I think it was like last year. Last year you

994
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: had the genius idea of like he came out of

995
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 2: nowhere you're just like, oh, I'm on Ross Saint Brown,

996
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, no Tay the year two guys who are

997
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: just nat It's just like on principle, like just it's

998
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: just it's like there's certain things. It's just like on principle.

999
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: It's like if I see any Brian Robinson prop at

1000
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: any number, I'm just banging the under until the books

1001
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: take it down. It's just like on principle. I like

1002
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: when they took his when he took his yardage down,

1003
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: I just banged the under and like his six and

1004
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: a half touchdowns at like minus one seventy five, Like

1005
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: just I didn't even check my projections. I was just

1006
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: like just on principle. Just sometimes you just gotta just

1007
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: on principle. And for me, it's just like year two,

1008
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: year two wide receivers coming off great year ones. Like

1009
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm just not just not fading these guys. If anything,

1010
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm kind of the opposite, like I might I might

1011
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 2: take them like above what I have. Yeah, that would

1012
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: be ranked like projected.

1013
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a lot of it. Again, like if he

1014
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: falls in me like wide receiver fifteen, I definitely consider it.

1015
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Drake Leonard's another guy where my projections might be lower

1016
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: on it, but he's a year two player, last year's class,

1017
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: where you kind of just have to anticipate an even

1018
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: bigger bump, you know, near two. So similar kind of

1019
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: situation where if you look at my rankings, I have

1020
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: Drake Lennon lower than AVP, but I'm still drafting him

1021
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: around ADP.

1022
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why you know, like doing these like

1023
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: actually talking through these things exactly people, because like I

1024
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, like a ranking a lot, especially when you're

1025
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: talking about wide receivers where mostly start three. Now, there's

1026
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: there's not a ton of separation, uh in a lot

1027
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: of these guys. So when you see, like I have

1028
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: a love a nineteenth and someone else might have him fourteenth,

1029
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: there might be like a western a point per game differential,

1030
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: And that is what we would call in stats like

1031
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: immaterial or you know what I mean, Like it's just

1032
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: it's not relevant to it's it's just randomness essentially, like

1033
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: those decimal points. You know, we're still doing the rankings,

1034
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: and you know, I might manipulate it to kind of

1035
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: get guys exactly where I want, but generally speaking, and

1036
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: that's why we kind of, you know, do these pods

1037
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: talk through them. That's why you do the tears, and

1038
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, just different things to kind of crystallize exactly

1039
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: the strategy, because yeah, it's a lot of times just

1040
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: one or two ranking spots is not going to make

1041
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: a big difference. But yeah, when forty like James Williams story,

1042
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: another guy I really can't get behind, And I'm surprised

1043
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: I haven't heard more of this guy being a fade

1044
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: is Kadarius Tony, Like I don't are we being blind?

1045
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 2: Are we blinded by the the like the gadget plays

1046
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: from last year? Like this guy never exceeded a forty

1047
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: four percent snap rate with the Chiefs, only top sixty

1048
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: percent snaps three times in his career, has missed fifteen

1049
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: of his thirty four potential regular season games. Is already

1050
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: hurt is on a team where they used like a

1051
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: rotation of wide receivers as it is, so even if

1052
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: you know I heard the buzz, like, oh, they chief

1053
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: viewed Tony as like a number one receiver like Forkadarius Tony,

1054
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: that could still mean like forty snaps and just like

1055
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: force feed him like five or six targets in those

1056
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: forty percent snaps and You're still not going to be

1057
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: happy with Cadarius Tony, So he's another one going in

1058
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: the top. He's still going in the top fifty round

1059
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver forty nine. Sky Moore has overtaken him, and

1060
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: now I feel like now we're getting little aggressive on

1061
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: sky Moore, which is why I just end up with

1062
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: more she Rice, just because I feel like it's it's

1063
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: kind of almost like a like there's I think there's

1064
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: gonna be less separation than people think between these guys.

1065
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: But Tony, I just think he's going to be capped,

1066
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: uh snap wise. So I mean, I don't know, do

1067
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: you like, are you do you not agree? Are you

1068
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: projecting Tony for like a eighty percent snap reas?

1069
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: No? No, no, in this range, I'd much rather take

1070
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: one of the rookies like Quinton Johnson or z A

1071
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: Flowers that are going right around this time. With Tony,

1072
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: it's like if he were ever to top seventy percent

1073
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: restaurant rate, I mean, my model breaks. You know, he's

1074
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: averaging over five catches. But I agree, I don't think

1075
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. So he's a guy that I'm not

1076
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: getting much of in this range. He hasn't proven he

1077
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: can stay healthy. He hasn't proven he can like maintain,

1078
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, a workhorse role as a wide receiver. So yeah,

1079
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: I think in this range I'm still targeting Quinton Johnson

1080
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: and Zay Flowers and ignoring this is where Jamison Williams

1081
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: is going to by the way, but yeah, Tony, Tony's

1082
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: not a guy I've been trusting. The only you know

1083
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: thing I would say is this is the range to

1084
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: kind of take a flyer on him because if he

1085
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, he doesn't kill you in a redraft

1086
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: league because you know you're filling out your bench at

1087
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: this point. But either way, I just think you rather

1088
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: invest in one of these rookies that have a clear

1089
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: path upside and you know they don't have the injury concerns.

1090
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a flyer, you still want your flyer to hit, Like, yeah,

1091
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: exactly like the Cadarius Tony. Literally I'm projecting to play

1092
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: half as many snaps as like this. This is the

1093
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: most egregious UH ranking of all to me, Zay Flowers

1094
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 2: is going three spots after Canarius Tony Like that is Yeah,

1095
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: that's absolutely absurd. Like day Flowers may already be the

1096
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: best receiver in Baltimore and they're gonna be a lot

1097
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: pass heavy yeer, now you know now that Monket's here

1098
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: and Roman's gone, So it's like, you know, I mean

1099
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: even like I rather I rather though like four games

1100
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: of Michael Thomas playing like every snap and catching like,

1101
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 2: you know, five touchdowns in those four games, Like because

1102
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 2: like canarious Tony's already hurt higher risker reinjury if you say,

1103
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: like okay, if he ever gets like eighty percent snaps

1104
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: catch like five six passes, if he catches five six passes,

1105
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: he's not making it to the next game because he's

1106
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna get hit five to six times. So it's just

1107
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 2: this is like a lose lose with this guy Tony,

1108
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: like and we don't learn because we we went through

1109
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: this last year where it's like, oh, we're gonna we're

1110
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: gonna slot Tony and it's like the default Giants receiver

1111
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 2: and not pay any attention to the fact that like

1112
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: everyone on the coaching staff absolutely hates him and it's

1113
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: like has demoted him to like the third team. We're

1114
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: still gonna draft him as like a top fifty wide receiver,

1115
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: Like we just need like some guys I feel like

1116
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: as a as a as a community, like we just

1117
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: never learned. And I guess it's only you what year

1118
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: three of Tony, but we'll we'll learn soon enough. But yeah,

1119
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: like Tony is outside my top sixty. I think I

1120
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: just think his ADP is egregious. I just think, you know,

1121
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: like there are guys that are just you know, part

1122
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: of having a ceiling and taking a risk and a

1123
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: fire is having a path to upside. And when when

1124
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: you have a guy that may very well be capped

1125
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: at fifty percent snaps or even a guy that you know,

1126
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: like I said, the Chiefs team, they topped out it

1127
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: seventy just over seventy five percent for the top wide receiver. Anyways,

1128
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: like this is just not not a situation I want

1129
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: to invest in. Just give me, give me Rice, give

1130
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: me your boy justin Ross, give me one of those guys.

1131
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, Tony and Williams, those are just guys that

1132
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: stick out most wide receiver. Just like take a shot

1133
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: in him. They're they're gonna be useful somewhere, maybe invest

1134
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: ball as a stack or whatever. But those two guys,

1135
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: and I just think the ADPs are or egregious. Let's

1136
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: close it out with tight end really quickly. It looks like,

1137
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: well we'll finish I know who will finish with. But

1138
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: you got You've got Don't Schultz on this list? And

1139
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: I agree, I talk to me about talk to me

1140
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: about Schultz.

1141
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Schultz is a guy I've already been kind

1142
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: of iffy about just because I don't think he's that talented.

1143
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, he was a beast in the Cowboys scheme,

1144
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: but that was more about the scheme and Dak Prescott.

1145
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: So going to a new team, we could see, you know,

1146
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: his production fall off. I also think, you know, CJ.

1147
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Stroud's going to struggle as a rookie, especially early on,

1148
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: which could impact Schultz. But also just looking at preseason usage,

1149
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, Schultz was coming off the field in some

1150
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: obvious passing situations like he might not be the ninety

1151
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: percent routes run kind of guy that we think. So

1152
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: that's that That's another thing that I wasn't in factory

1153
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: in yet. So there's just a lot of red flags,

1154
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: and there's a lot more talented tight ends in this

1155
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: range that I rather take over him. So he's actually

1156
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: he dropped all the way to like tight end nineteen

1157
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: and my projections. That's all it takes is just like

1158
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: zero point one reception taken off and they follow that far.

1159
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: But Schultz is a guy I've already been cautious about,

1160
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: but now I'm even more so. So he's definitely like

1161
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: a red flag bust for me at tight end.

1162
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, just curious, do you recall like who he was

1163
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: coming off for. Was it another tight end or was

1164
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: it just like a four receiver set or what I

1165
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: think it was.

1166
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: I'll have to double check, but I think you know

1167
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: they were rotating and Nick Vannette a bit more. Uka.

1168
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: That's not not a threat the Quentin Tarantino guy.

1169
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: It's just Tan Tagantriano.

1170
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I call it. Yeah, So it's just like

1171
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: they were just it's just a situation.

1172
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: Tarantino yo more more receiving yard. Is he a Quentin

1173
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: Tarantino or James and Williams.

1174
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: That's a close one. Are we including rushing yards? All right?

1175
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: But now I'm talking about the movie director.

1176
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's just one of those situations where I

1177
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: was banking on Schultz running ninety percent routes run, right,

1178
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: So I just thought, yeah, if there's a chance that

1179
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: that's lower, that's just another red flag. So I already

1180
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: had too many red flags to speak of. But if

1181
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: he might not have that role that I thought, then

1182
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: it's a major red flag. And like I said, I

1183
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: think CJ. Shroud will struggle as a rookie. I'm pretty

1184
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: high on Bryce Young out of those two, but I

1185
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: think Stroud's going to struggle. So I'm I was already

1186
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: completely off Schultz, but now I'm really off Schultz right now.

1187
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: And I think he's still what tight end twelve, he's

1188
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: still being drafted.

1189
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually got him lower and he's still my

1190
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: tight end twelve. But it's like exactly what you said.

1191
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: I have him still projected for like most of the

1192
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: tight end routes because they have Quentin Tarantino exa. Although

1193
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: he did I think his first NFL catch was a

1194
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: touchdown if I'm not mistaken on a Thursday night. Yeah,

1195
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: I believe it was the Eagles game. It might have

1196
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: they could think that was the game. But he hasn't

1197
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: really done much since. But uh, yeah, there's still Jordan's

1198
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: still there. But yeah, I mean they could they could

1199
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: end up going some more four wide. They haven't got

1200
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: they have enough for I have enough receivers and they're

1201
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: no giants, but they have quite the quite the unimpressive

1202
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: bunch of wide receivers. And then the guy that we

1203
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: got a clothing with is none other than Greg Dosich

1204
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: Pour went out mane not quite albert Ode but second again,

1205
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: we troutman started dosage plays in most passing situations and

1206
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: that's just not going to cut it. He was eighty

1207
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: percent routes last year. Yeah, especially with we don't fully

1208
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: trust Russell Wilson. There's a good defense and it's it's

1209
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: a shame because Greg Doses has that nice catch in

1210
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: the last preseason game, you broke a tackle, went for

1211
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: fifteen yards, but it came like early second quarter. It

1212
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: was like first first target. So not ideal.

1213
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, not ideal. I mean he started the offseason as

1214
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: being one of my favorite sleeper picks and now he

1215
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: ends up on my bus list. That's just how it works,

1216
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: especially at tight end because they're beholden to their the scheme.

1217
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: And like I said, that was the one concern I had.

1218
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: It's a new regime. You don't know what they're gonna do.

1219
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: He's not gonna albert oas like he's not going to

1220
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: be a healthy scratch every week this season. But it

1221
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: is definitely moving down my rankings. But like you said,

1222
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, Adam Troutman looks like he's going to be

1223
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: the starter. Playing on early downs, Dulcich will still see

1224
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: those third down maybe the two minute offense type of snaps,

1225
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: so he still might post up some decent numbers and

1226
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: he's still very, very talented. But you know, this kind

1227
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: of reminds me of Mike Kiseki last year, where I

1228
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of noted that the scheme just wasn't going to

1229
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: be a good fit for him that year and he busted.

1230
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of what Dulcitch's remind me of is Kiseki

1231
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: last year, where he's still going to have work. He's

1232
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: still talented pass catch to tight end, He's just not

1233
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: going to see enough work to post tight end one

1234
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: numbers like I know he's capable of. That's all. So, yeah,

1235
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: he's down. He's down like tight end nineteen for me,

1236
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: tight end twenty.

1237
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: He's no Tyler Higbee, all right. Yeah, So wide receivers

1238
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: James and Williams canarious for me, a lave for Sean

1239
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: and then tight ends Schultz, Greg Dolcic that's gonna do

1240
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,600
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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,800
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