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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You From House Supports

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Speaker 1: Not Cold. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And Caroline, there's um something I've been

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Speaker 1: needing to tell you. Oh, you know, just I just

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Speaker 1: want to let you know that if you're out on

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Speaker 1: the road feeling lonely and so cold, all you have

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Speaker 1: to do is call on me and I'll be there

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Speaker 1: on the next train. Am I screwing up the lyrics already?

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Speaker 1: You know? I think you've got it where you Lee.

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Speaker 1: I'll follow anyway that you tell me too, if you

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Speaker 1: need need needed to be, if you I will follow.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, friends, it's a Gilmore Girls episode. If you

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Speaker 1: couldn't guess if you haven't turned the podcast, abeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people are loving it. No one has turned

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Speaker 1: it off. This is one of the most hotly anticipated

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Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never Told You episodes of And we also

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Speaker 1: timed this episode to publish the week of Thanksgiving because

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Speaker 1: I know all the Gillies out there are giving thanks

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Speaker 1: for the reboot. Yeah, the reboot production starts in and

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Speaker 1: it's probably gonna premiere around the same time that the

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Speaker 1: full House reboot premieres. As well, who cares. I know,

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Speaker 1: I was never into full House as a child. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do the stuff mom never told

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Speaker 1: you analysis of full health. We could talk about their

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Speaker 1: hair for a long time, but I don't really know

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Speaker 1: how relevant that would be to our brand. How I

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Speaker 1: do like to say that, though, So that's right. Netflix

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Speaker 1: is picking up Gilmore Girls yet again, with Amy Sherman

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Speaker 1: Palladino writing it, and it's going to come out not

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Speaker 1: like a whole new season, but they're going to do

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Speaker 1: four ninety minutes segments, so they're sort of giving it

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Speaker 1: the what hot American summer treatment times for Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: everybody's really excited about because something that I had no

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Speaker 1: idea about because I'm gonna well, let me admit something first,

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched the majority of Gilmore Girls. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I know, I just heard a lot of heavy size

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Speaker 1: or I'm projecting, I don't know. But season seven, the

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Speaker 1: last season of Gilmore Girls, was apparently, according to the

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Speaker 1: Internet and fans, a huge disappointment. A lot of that

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Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that head writer what

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Speaker 1: I mean she created the whole thing. Yeah, The show

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Speaker 1: creator Amy Sherman Palladino took her leave after season six

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Speaker 1: because the show producers wouldn't give her more writers. There's

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Speaker 1: she and her husband, fellow writer Dan Palladina said, see

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Speaker 1: you later. Hit the road. Season seven happens. Lauren Graham,

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Speaker 1: of the show, in the direction of some characters, and

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Speaker 1: people were not not so pleased at the direction the

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Speaker 1: and size of relief that the actual original show creators

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Speaker 1: are coming back to reboot the show. And regardless of

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Speaker 1: how the seventh season disappointed a number of hardcore fans,

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Speaker 1: there's still so much enduring love and nostalgia for the

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Speaker 1: Gilmore girls. And it holds a lot of personal nostalgia

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Speaker 1: for me because Rory and I were the same age

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Speaker 1: we're bookworms. Now. She was a lot more successful with dating,

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Speaker 1: I will say, and don't know Kristen. But we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that. I'll save that. I'll save that for later.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had no Dean. I wanted a Dean.

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Speaker 1: We all want a Dean, but we are so wrong.

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Speaker 1: wasn't something like Dawson's Creek that I had to sneak. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: little dance that's love. Well, Caroline, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: But back to stars Hollow. It's obviously a fictional town

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Speaker 1: kinds of gender role choices, whether it is something that's

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Speaker 1: more free wheeling like Laurela or more traditional and d

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Speaker 1: a r like Emily Gilmore. Why is that an inherently

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Speaker 1: unfeminist because she should can? Is there no room I'm

428
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Speaker 1: struggling even with my words. Is there no room for

429
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: exploration and identity seeking within the idea of gender equality?

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00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: That's That's exactly what I came away from that chapter with,

431
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: um just feeling like whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa. Hey,

432
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: we've all made like bad love life choices. I mean,

433
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: who among us has always stated the perfect person? Obviously

434
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Speaker 1: we would have been married years ago if we had

435
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: data the right person from the beginning. Um, And yeah,

436
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: like even I've been in relationships where I have been

437
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: controlled to a degree, But you get out of those

438
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: ideally and you learn and you grow and you go

439
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: on to find your perfect person. And so yeah, I

440
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: was really sort of taken aback about McCaffrey's intense stand

441
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: on on Rory's character as a whole being a reason

442
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Speaker 1: why the show isn't feminist. Yeah, I mean, I can

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00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: I can see arguments of the show revolving too much

444
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: around just their relationships with men as being a strike

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00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: against its feminism. But it's also I mean, it's a

446
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: drama on the w B, sure, but the core, the

447
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: core never shifts. The core is still the women's relationships

448
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, and that goes to not only

449
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: a Rory and Laura Lae, but also their best friendships

450
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: with Lane and Suky, with their you know, Laura and

451
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: her mom. All of these kinds of female relationships being

452
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: really driving the show. Well. How wonderful too, though, to

453
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: see representations of female friendship like that, that there's no

454
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: cattiness with Suki or with Lane, that these women are

455
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: there to support each other. And sure they might fight

456
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: or disagree or whatever, but the core, like I said,

457
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: the core is still the strength of their relationships. Oh

458
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: and I still remember in the first season when Rory

459
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Speaker 1: starts dating Dean and she's all about Dean and Lane

460
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: feels really left out, And how during that time that's

461
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: so resonated with those high school experiences of your super

462
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: tight girl friendships being invaded Suddenly by high school dating,

463
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: which of course is like can just take up all

464
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: of your time as opposed to middle school dating in

465
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: quotes when like you're just like talking on the phone

466
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Speaker 1: for five minutes. Um, so should keep talking about feminism,

467
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is something that's I think an

468
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: appeal for a lot of stuff. I've never told you

469
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: listeners to the show because S. C. Smith, who we've

470
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: started on the podcast before, would completely disagree with the

471
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: idea that it is unfeminist. So over the Daily Dot,

472
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: she wrote that it was and is a feminist show

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Speaker 1: without being explicitly feminist, making it appealing to a wide

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Speaker 1: base of viewers who fell in love with characters like Emily,

475
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: Paris Rory, and Laurelai without realizing they've been suck or

476
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: punched by social progressivism until it was too late. Yeah,

477
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: and that goes back to what I was saying earlier

478
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Speaker 1: about simply presenting these characters, these lives, these stories without

479
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: having to be like, hey, hey she's a single mom.

480
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: Hey that means she had sex when she was a teenager.

481
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: There's no like, there's nothing preachy about it. There's nothing

482
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: preachy about whether it's the feminist aspect or the girl

483
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: power aspect, or or really any of it. That it's

484
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: just a show about really real people, minus perhaps how

485
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: fast paced and hyper intelligent all of their conversations are.

486
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: And we should also note too, how the whole relationship

487
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: between Rory and Laura La kind of starts off on

488
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Speaker 1: a feminist foothold because Rory is short for Laura La.

489
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Laura La named her after herself, and she also gave her,

490
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Speaker 1: notably Gilmore, her last name, and not Christopher's last name. Well,

491
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: that occurred to me too, being a thirty one year

492
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: old person watching this show. Rewatching this show, I was like, wait, Gilmore, girls, Gilmore,

493
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: that's Laureli's last name. It was her parents last name.

494
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: She didn't name her after Christopher, and not of course

495
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong with that, I mean whatever, It

496
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, this is totally She's giving her

497
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: her full name and Laura La mom Laura Lai herself

498
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: was named after Richard's mother, Laura La tricks quote unquote

499
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Speaker 1: tricks Um, and in the pilot episode, Rory says to

500
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Speaker 1: Dean about her having the same name as her mom.

501
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: She was lying in the hospital thinking about how men

502
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: named boys after themselves all the time. She says her

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00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: feminism just sort of took over personally. I think a

504
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of dem or all went into that decision. Yeah,

505
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: so there you have, right out of the gate. I mean,

506
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Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino were making intentional choices

507
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Speaker 1: with all of this, sure, but notably according to a

508
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: whole bunch of things we read, that is the first

509
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: of I think two or three times the word feminism

510
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: has ever uttered in the show. But I can't be

511
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: too critical of that for several reasons. But also, if

512
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Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino are writing this show

513
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: in a time period when it was not okay for Sookie,

514
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: one of the main characters, to be gay, then they're

515
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Speaker 1: probably not going to wave the feminist flag too literally either,

516
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Speaker 1: And so I can't fault them for writing in that environment.

517
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: But Sherman Paladine has gone on the record more recently

518
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Speaker 1: as saying like, well, nowadays, they'd all be gay. Yeah,

519
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: they'd all be talking about feminism and they'd all be gay.

520
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: She's like, it's just a different time now. Well, I

521
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: think they snuck the feminism, and more subtly as s. E.

522
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Smith noted whether it was just the basic premise of

523
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the single working mom taking care of her daughter in

524
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: a very well adjusted and healthy kind of way and

525
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: not demonizing her for it. But also you have all

526
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Speaker 1: of the book references throughout. I mean, one of the

527
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: things that I personally loved about Rory and so many did,

528
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: was that she was such an avid reader. And one guy,

529
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Lenton in Australia went through and painstaking lee noted

530
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: every single book reference in the whole series and tied

531
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Speaker 1: up three hundred thirty nine titles and some feminists standouts

532
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: include Gender Trouble by Judith Butler to Simone de Beauvoir

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00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: titles Second Sex and Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter and

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00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: A Room of One Zonne by Virginia Woolf. So I mean,

535
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: it's it's the feminist special, just sneaking them in well.

536
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: And you know what's so funny because the show is

537
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: so notable both for its fast paced dialogue but also

538
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: all of these pop culture references and literary references. But

539
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: I had watched just the very first pilot episode when

540
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I read this article about this guy compiling the list

541
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: of books and to give you an idea of how

542
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: many literary references are squeezed into each episode. As I

543
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: was scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling down this list,

544
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I was like, that was mentioned in episode one, that one,

545
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: that one was mentioned that one. She and Dean talk

546
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: about that book. So like, there is a lot going

547
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: on in every episode. So it's no surprise that you

548
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: hear a lot from fans online who were like, it

549
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: was such a treat to get the DVD to watch

550
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: it first too, then get the DVDs and now have

551
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: it come back on Netflix. Because the older you get,

552
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: the more life experience you get, the more of those

553
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: references that previously went over your head are caught. Yeah,

554
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and there is literally so much packed into

555
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: each episode by virtue of the dialogue. It's very unique,

556
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: rapid fire style of dialogue, the likes of which I

557
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: didn't see again until watching Scandal, which as a similar

558
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: like staccato, really quick monologue style. Well yeah, and then

559
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin shows right, very true. Um, but thanks to

560
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: mental flaws, we know that a page of Gilmore Girl's

561
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: script accounted for just five seconds of talk, as opposed

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00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: to typically a page of dialogue and a screenplay would

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00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: account for one minute, and Sherman Palladino and and Palladino

564
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Speaker 1: her husband. We're very painstaking about the scripts, like they

565
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: would all pass through their hands just to make sure

566
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Speaker 1: that they maintain the exact same tone because it's so

567
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's mistakable the way these characters talk to

568
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: each other. And Lauren Graham and Alexis Blodell had to

569
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: have like speech coaches just to be able to get

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00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: all of the words out fast enough and do the

571
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: back and forth dialogue. Well yeah, and then people had

572
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: to go back and review the shots to make sure

573
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: that there were no dropped words because if you're just

574
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: talking super fast and you don't have cute cards and

575
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: it's not like you have a teleprompter or anything like that.

576
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: And also they had to nail everything. There was no improvisation.

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00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: According to Keiko Againa, who was talking to I think

578
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: it was BuzzFeed. Uh, she had this list of like

579
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: amazing Gilmore Girls trivia that you never knew or whatever,

580
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: and one of those things was like, no, this was

581
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: not oh we're chattering because we're going off script and

582
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: where you know, we're kookie and we're just chatting. No,

583
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: it was like this was all very specifically written in

584
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: this style by those two writers. Well, in addition to

585
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the Gilmore Girls dialogue being one of those love it

586
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: or loath it aspects of the show, can we also

587
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: talk about their appetites? Because I feel like any time

588
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: we post something Gilmore Girls related, if someone hates the show,

589
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: there will be a comment on how they hate how

590
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: much they eat and yet stays slim. And this was

591
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: something that I was thinking about a lot, especially after

592
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: reading the essay passed the pop Tarts. The Gilmore Girls

593
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: is Perpetual Hunger by Susannah B. Men's and Leah E. Men's,

594
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: who really analyze their eating in the show, and they

595
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: made some notable observations about how as much as Laura

596
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: line Rory talk about food and especially junk food and

597
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: pizza and ice cream and all of their favorite greasy delights,

598
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: you never see them eat it. You only see the

599
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: what will be eaten and then the aftermath, yeah, or

600
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: what they're eating it like the grandparents House and stuff

601
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, where they will only like pick at

602
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: the food. And Lauren Graham has said that the food

603
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: that was served during those scenes was disgusting. So I

604
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe this was like a mercy role for

605
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the actors that Okay, we're not going to literally make

606
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: you sit here and eat pizza. But that's beside the point.

607
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: But they read all of the symbolism though into their

608
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: food habits um writing that quote their flaunted proclivity for

609
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: junk food is also a stand in for sexuality. Really,

610
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: I mean they wrote it. I mean, I know, but

611
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: do you think that? Do you? What do you think? No?

612
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that any human.

613
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Palladino was like, we can't show how much they really

614
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: want to have sex and want to indulge in, so

615
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: they're just diverting it into food. I think it was

616
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: a hallmark that she created of their relationship. Yeah, I

617
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: think it's part of that slumber party aspect. These people

618
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: are very specifically written to be sort of bff beyond

619
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: just mom and daughter, and part of that is like, hey, girlfriend,

620
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: you feeling bad? You want some ice cream? Do you

621
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: want to hang out? Do want pizza? Pizza is easy,

622
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: we can just call we both work, we both go

623
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: to school, Like, let's let's eat some pizza. Well, and

624
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: in a very Carrey Bradshaw kind of way. Uh. There's

625
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: also the intentionality of Laurea la disdain for cooking, and

626
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: she does not cook. The only thing that is made

627
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: really in the Gilmore kitchen is coffee. Also, I, even

628
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: in high school, is concerned about Rory's caffeine and take. Yeah. Yeah,

629
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Luke is super concerned about that. Yeah. There's a scene

630
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: where Lane with her drumsticks, walks up to Rory and

631
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Laurel and it's like, hey, Laura, can I practice drums

632
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: on your pots and pants later? And of course Laura

633
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: makes the crack of like, well, they're not getting used

634
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: for anything else. But yeah, very very like I love

635
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Lucy Ish, not that Lucy didn't cook or whatever, but

636
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Laurelize to me very much seems like the modern day

637
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: sort of Lucy. But she's not the only mom and

638
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: the show who doesn't cook, because think about it, when

639
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: they go over to the mansion, Emily is not cooking. No,

640
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: she's got made something exactly Who bring the food that

641
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: no one's all that interested in? Um, And I do

642
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: like though, how the cook and a caregiver in the

643
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: more traditional sense of the word is Luke. Yeah, a

644
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: dude wearing a you know, constant stubble and backwards baseball cap.

645
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I know he looks at very much like dude roommate. Yeah,

646
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: he's got that, like the plaid shirt and acid washed

647
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: jeans where they asked, now, I'm just picturing acid washing

648
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: jeggings for some reason on Luke, and then I'm loving it.

649
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: That's quite an image. My mom also, I think, had

650
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: a little quiet crush on Luke. Could not know actually

651
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Luke was not my type. Not a baseball cap. No,

652
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: well no, but aside from the baseball cap and all

653
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: that stuff, I mean, what's not to like about, you know,

654
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: the quiet that's all silent type, Caroline. Yeah, yeah, kind

655
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: of the tall, silent type. Like he's sensitive underneath all

656
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: of that. He struggles the whole show with figuring out

657
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: how to love and how to express his emotions, and

658
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of nice and in a very

659
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: like I'm watching a TV show way of seeing a

660
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: guy who's struggling with how to deal with his emotions

661
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: and how to express emotion and all that stuff, but

662
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: without being a jerk, because so often I feel like

663
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: culturally and in the media, if somebody doesn't know how

664
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: to deal with their emotions. They might be mean or

665
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: abusive or vitriolic or anything like that, but Luke is

666
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: very much just the gentle giant almost. And I appreciate

667
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: how they allow the friendship between Luke and Laureli to develop. Well. Yeah,

668
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: and and Sherman Palladino talked about that too, saying like

669
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I was not going to rush anything, whether it's Luke

670
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: and Laureli or pretty much any other plot development. She

671
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: wade about how she just wanted to let things develop

672
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: and take their time, and when the time was right,

673
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: she would have it happen. So is there me room

674
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: for critique on The Gilmar Girls? Is it a perfect

675
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: television product? Well? Of course not nothing on TV is perfect. Man.

676
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people take issue, for instance,

677
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: with the diversity thing that there's not really a range

678
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: of uh well, sexual orientation for one, We've already talked

679
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: about that how that wasn't going to fly with the producers,

680
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: but also race and ethnicity. I mean, you've got Lane

681
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: and her family who are Korean. You've got French Michelle,

682
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: who a lot of people are like, is he French

683
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: or gay? And Amy Sherman Palladino has said, and yes,

684
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep using her full name. Oh I do too. Yeah,

685
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: just Amy sounds too casual. It sounds too casual. But

686
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: she has said that they quote unquote went on the

687
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: record early in the show by having him say something

688
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: about liking women or something. But she's like, we never

689
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: really went back and addressed it, because what's the point, Like,

690
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you can think about him whatever you want to think

691
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: about him. And the actor who played Michelle uh uh

692
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: swore on his mother's head apparently that he never asked

693
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: the show runners what Michelle's sexual orientation was because it

694
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't important. Again, it was another aspect of the

695
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: show that was like, we don't need to hit anyone

696
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: over the head with anything. We can just have the

697
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: characters be characters. But again, I'm like going back into like, oh,

698
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: it's so wonderful. Oh wait, that there was not really

699
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: any diversity, I know, aside from the Kims, who some

700
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: people have criticized as being too stereotypical, particularly Mrs Kim,

701
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: but you have you and I Kristen read so many

702
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: things from Asian American writers who were like, that was

703
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: my mother, you know, that was me trying to sneak

704
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: out of the house and put on the band shirt

705
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: and listen to rock and roll. Where my very traditional

706
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: mother was, you know, telling me I was going to

707
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: get in trouble for all of that stuff. So so

708
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I can't speak to that personally,

709
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: being someone who did not grow up in a Korean

710
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: American household. Shockingly, wait what, I know the things you

711
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: learned about me, but that really is the extent of

712
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: their diversity. I mean I cannot name a black character

713
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: who named black character on the show for instance. Um.

714
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: And also when it comes to how the show reflects

715
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: real life in terms of laurelize situation as a single mother,

716
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, she really is living in a utopia because

717
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: if we look at the real world situation for single moms,

718
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: like American single moms are living in poverty. Very few

719
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: are able to have a massive two story home in

720
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: a gorgeous town in Connecticut where everyone is ready to

721
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: help you, and you have the fallback of your very

722
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: wealthy parents who can help send your very smart daughter

723
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: off to a private school. And then Yale. Yeah, yeah

724
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: they didn't. They never really kind of delved into the

725
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: whole money thing. Yeah, there there would be times when

726
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Laurel I was short on cash, and especially when she

727
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: was opening the Dragonfly in but it would just be

728
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: a temporary obstacle that would very quickly be solved so

729
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: we could get back to the relationships exactly. Who wants

730
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: to talk about money? That's so tacky? And then of

731
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: course there are concerns about Rory and Laurelized relationships of like, Okay,

732
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: is this healthy or are they just straight up codependent? Yeah?

733
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I I thought about that a lot, because it's natural for,

734
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, parents to be close with their children, and

735
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: then the kids start to get older and they rebel

736
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: and break away, and then you know, even if they

737
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: do fix the relationship with their parents and stay close,

738
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: they're still their own person. They're still independent. But you

739
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: wouldn't know it from from this show. There's no there's

740
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: no breaking away. There's definitely like we're best friends. We

741
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: never fight. And I was like, God, they never fight?

742
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: How do they never fight? They have a couple of fights,

743
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: but basically they never fight. Compared to my mom and

744
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I and I school, they never fight. Yeah, um, and

745
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: I half expect after the credits role on the final

746
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: episode for Laura I to hop in her jeep and

747
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: high tail it to the Obama bus to track down Rory.

748
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like, but but that's just part

749
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: of that's the show. I mean, that's the whole thing

750
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is is their intense close relationship. Well, it's it's like

751
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: you've put an Instagram filter on real life. And that's

752
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: what Gilmore Girls is, the stars hollow filter. It should exist. Um,

753
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling that one of the biggest

754
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: criticisms of the show at this point are the final

755
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: words for a show that was built on dialogue, the

756
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: final words where I guess so. Yeah, Roy was talking

757
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: about how she wasn't going to wear the world's Greatest Journalist,

758
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: had that Laura I got her, and Laura I says,

759
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: how will people know that you're the world's greatest journalists?

760
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: I guess they'll just have to read your articles and

761
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: find out. Rory says, I guess so, and the camera

762
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: pans back from their table at Looke's and the screen

763
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: cuts to credits. Yeah. So, but those were not shockingly uh,

764
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: those three words were not the four words that Amy

765
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Sherman Palladino had him mine the whole time the show

766
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: was going what do you think the four words are?

767
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I love you too? No, I don't know. Maybe that's

768
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: a good guest. Yeah, that's what immediately thought of. And

769
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: it's Rory saying that to Kirk, like, no, impossible, he's

770
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: an awkward He looks like the bizarro version of Chris

771
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Hardwick to me, Kirk, Yeah, I could see that nervous

772
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: fans because I kept looking at him and I was like,

773
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: what else is this guy in? Like why do I

774
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: recognize him? Oh? You don't? You just think he looks

775
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: like Bizarro? You don't host at midnight, You're just Kirk Um.

776
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: And I do enjoy when I see characters like Kirk

777
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: pop up now on other shows. He's talked up on something.

778
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: I forget what it was, but it's always fun to

779
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: see a Gilmore Girls cameos somewhere else. And I'm sure

780
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: that those actors hate that they buy people like me

781
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: or just considered Gilmore Girls cameos while they're on other shows.

782
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: But well, so do you think that? I mean, Gilmore

783
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Girls has been off the air for a while now

784
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: and it is coming back on Netflix. People are excited

785
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: about everybody's talking about it. Do you think that Gilmore

786
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Girls will go down in television history as one of

787
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: one of the better ones. Yeah, I think it already has.

788
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you just can't deny that

789
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: a show that focuses so closely on women's relationships with

790
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: each other was not and and for so long and

791
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: in such a unique kind of way, isn't great television?

792
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it is. Despite what my

793
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: fiance might say about The Gilmore Girl whatever, our significant

794
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: others can go watch like die Hard or something. Yeah,

795
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't like I can understand why people don't like

796
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: the dialogue sometimes, but I think it's fantastic. I think

797
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: it's fantastic too. Um, I'm a little envious because they pack.

798
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: I just get so jealous that they've got all these

799
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: pop culture references that I'm like, I can only catch

800
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: so many of these. But those aren't our final words

801
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: for this episode, are they, Caroline, No, for sure not.

802
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: We would be remiss to not talk to some of

803
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: the internet's foremost Gilmore Girls experts. Yeah, the Gilmore Guys,

804
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: The Gilmore Guys, Kevin Porter and demi Ata gig Bay

805
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: who listeners. If you're not familiar with the Gilmore Guys,

806
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: the whole shut up is that Kevin is a long

807
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: time fan of The Gilmore Girls. He watched it religiously

808
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: when it was out and since, and Demi is brand

809
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: new to the show and they're watching it sequentially. In

810
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: each episode of the Gilmore Guys talks about the next episod,

811
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: so that Kevin has seen for the zillionth time and

812
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: Demi has seen for the first time. So yes, that

813
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: means Demi hasn't even seen all the Gilmore Girls haven't

814
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: even seen season seven yet. Don't ruin it. I know, Demmi,

815
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, we spoiled so much

816
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: for you, um. But we had such a great time

817
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: talking to them about why they love the Gilmore Girls

818
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: and also just their journey podcasting. Um. And one of

819
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: my favorites to learn was which stars Hollow character they

820
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: would be. So thanks so much to Kevin and Demi

821
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: for talking to us. And here's our convo about the

822
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls with the Gilmore Guys. Folks. We are so

823
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: excited to introduce the Gilmore Guys to you too. Gilmore Guys,

824
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: could could you introduce yourselves to our lovely listeners? Sure,

825
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Porter and I'm DEMI did you wee big

826
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: where the Gilmore Guys we we did a little bit

827
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: differently on our show. I was wondering if you guys

828
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: were going to say that say it in in Unison

829
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Gilmore Guys in Unison. Um. I also felt like Caroline,

830
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I should be doing like the la la melody in

831
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: the background as we introduce you. There's so many things missing.

832
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry we don't. We don't have all of

833
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. Instead, we just have despair well

834
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: for stuff I've never told you. Listeners who aren't familiar

835
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: with your podcast, what is this Gilmore Guys? Sure so.

836
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: Gilmore Guys is a podcast where we go through every

837
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: single episode, including including season seven, of Gilmore Girls, and

838
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: talk about it with special guests, with comedians and actors

839
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: and and writers and people who are big fans of

840
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: the show, and we just get into it and talk

841
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: about every single aspect of Gilmore Girls. And I like

842
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: that you went ahead had mentioned that it does include

843
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: season seven. Yes, well, I mean we've been getting that

844
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: because I think in the very early days of the

845
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Speaker 1: show we said like, oh, maybe we won't do season seven,

846
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: and we keep getting emails about it from people who

847
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: are catching up there, like you need to do it,

848
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 1: So I just want to put the word out there, yes,

849
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: we are for sure doing it. Well, early on in

850
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: the pilot, actually, both of you seemed a little daunted

851
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: by just the scale of this project, and you even

852
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: mentioned that you might be skipping some of the episodes

853
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: just to make it all the way through. So what changed?

854
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: How long did it take me to hit your stride

855
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: and what have been your secrets to your success? Well,

856
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: arguably we haven't hit our stride yet. We're still waiting.

857
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: We're still waiting on that. Well, Demmi can speak to

858
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: that maybe as someone who would like never even watched

859
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: the show before, what it was like to start it.

860
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I think the biggest daunting thing for me was just

861
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: that I've never ever watched a show for seven seasons

862
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: live like and it felt like that was what it

863
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: was gonna be, having to watch a show like this

864
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: week to week and not really being able to binge

865
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: on episodes as much as I was accustomed to at

866
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: that point. So doing something like that and then not

867
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: even knowing if I would like the show from the

868
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: very early points would be a bit of a struggle,

869
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: But I think when we hit our stride was when

870
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: I realized I liked the show, and once we realized

871
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: people were listening. And I think that getting feedback and

872
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: knowing we're not just screaming into a void about the

873
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: show was really instrumental in having us figure out that

874
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: this is something that we could keep up as long

875
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: as we sort of took it a less scholarly approach

876
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: and sort of made it our own thing and made

877
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: it sort of brought out the comedy of the podcast

878
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: and focused on what it was that we loved about

879
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: doing a podcast and bringing that into what we loved

880
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: about the show. So, Demmi, what was your turning point

881
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: that transitioned you from this podcast host to a straight

882
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: up gilly. I wish I could remember. I feel like

883
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: it was definitely something in the early seasons. I was

884
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: never too down on the show. I never thought this

885
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: is an awful thing to watch, but I do remember

886
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: thinking early on in the show that there were definitely

887
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: some episodes that ran a bit slower than others, and

888
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't wondering how long would take the show to

889
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: hit it stride, But I think it was around Rory's birthday,

890
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Parties episode six of the first season to get to

891
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: that one, but it's a very good episode if you

892
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: haven't yet become accustomed to the world of Gilmore Girls.

893
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the episode that sort of sinks into

894
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: it because it brings all the characters into a central

895
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: location around a central event, and you kind of get

896
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: the feel that it's more than a show about three

897
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: generations of women arguing all the time. You know, oh, well,

898
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: then we have to ask the question of what, according

899
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: to the Gilmore guys, is the Gilmore Girls about? Then

900
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: in our own words, yes, well, I was gonna say

901
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: three generations of women arguing that don't know what to

902
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: say I would say, I mean, gosh, it would be

903
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: hard to condense it all, but essentially, uh, it is

904
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: a uh whimsical examination of female relationships the end. I mean,

905
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: I could speak and I have spoken paragraphs about like

906
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: what the show is and what it means to me

907
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah, But essentially I would

908
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: say that like it's just about it's a drama. It

909
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: is a family drama that takes female relationships seriously. Is

910
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: what I would like, like would be the most concise

911
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: way of putting it, although I don't feel like that

912
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: communicates how funny the show is either. How would you

913
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: put it, Demi, I don't know. I feel like I

914
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: would just say it's a very funny drama that shows

915
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: life in a small town as viewed through the lens

916
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: of three generations of a family. Because I feel like

917
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: focusing on the female relationships part of it sort of

918
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: undermines the fact that they don't really try to play

919
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: as like, yeah, it's drama, but also there are women.

920
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: They don't really lean on the fact that they're women

921
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: all too often in the show, which is one of

922
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: its highlights. I think the name Gilmore Girls sort of

923
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: oversells the idea that this is something that only women

924
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: will understand and relate to, and really it's just it's

925
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: just like a lot of other shows on television. The

926
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: characters just happened to be women. Well, so hallmarks of

927
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: the show that a lot of people, even if they

928
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: haven't watched much of Gilmore Girls, the hallmarks that people

929
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: are familiar with are all of the pop references, the

930
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: rapid fire dialogue, and of course, the instatiable junk food appetites.

931
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: So what would you describe as the hallmarks of your show,

932
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: the Gilmore Guys. I think music drops is one big

933
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: hallmark of our show. We do a recurring thing where

934
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: every time we have to give a prediction as to

935
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: some sort of romantic happenstance, we drop a room five

936
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Q and we have to hit by a certain point

937
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: the climax of the prediction. So that's one. Um. A

938
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: lot of our hallmarks I think are more hard hallmarks

939
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: we do of things out of comedy rather than hallmarks

940
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: of I mean, I guess that's what hallmarks of the

941
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: show are too, But I would say stuff like that

942
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: sort of going off on tangents that are less related

943
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: about Gilmore Guys than less relevant to this show than

944
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: relevant to our personal lives and what we just want

945
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: to talk about. I guess, um, we have a lot

946
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: of recurring bits that we do. What would you say

947
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 1: our other hallmarks, Kevin? I would say that, And then

948
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: uh certain getting obsessed with certain clips from the show

949
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: and certain bits of dialogue that we just play over

950
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: and over and over again to the point where it

951
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: becomes hypnotic or musical and just in out, such as

952
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: uh Dean in season one saying nice chicken or right now.

953
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: We're obsessed with this clip in season five of Roy's saying,

954
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: is that a new shirt? Because I like it? And

955
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: she just says that in a very high pitched voice,

956
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: and we just play that over and over and over again,

957
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: almost like to the obnoxious point of being like a

958
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: Morning Zoo Crew DJ jay or something, but hopefully telling

959
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: that line. Well. And guys, guys, you can't downplay the

960
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: precision of your fashion insights. Oh of course the fashion report, Yes,

961
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, to two guys who know so much about fashion,

962
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: as you can tell from the pictures we take for

963
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: our show. Uh, just really getting into like all the

964
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: details of we have no idea what we're talking about

965
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: with fashion. That started as like a joke. I mean,

966
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's the show too. It started as a

967
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: joke and now it's just become yeah, kind of a

968
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: cornerstone segment. Um and then it's something I would other

969
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: I would say as well, would be a segment of

970
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: the show. It's just like making sure we're having a

971
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: conversation with the audience, with the audience of the TV

972
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: show on our podcast, because we just try to do

973
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: we always do Twitter Q and a question answer and

974
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: any anytime people have questions about the show or about

975
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: the particular episode, always try to get to those. What

976
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: we answer everyone's male who mails in? And we do, uh,

977
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, a whole episode, whole episodes just dedicated to

978
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: answering people's emails and whatnot. So so those would be

979
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: some other hallmarks well. And just as a podcast host

980
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: to a podcast host, I am curious about how much

981
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: time both of you put into the show because you

982
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: also put out a lot of shows. You have such

983
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: um consistent fan engagement, like you're talking about, and you're

984
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: also doing live events, right, So I mean it's different

985
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: than prepping, you know, it's the time that we spend

986
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: prepping the show before we record is very different than

987
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: what would be normally required of a comedy podcast, just

988
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: because we want to really do our homework and do

989
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: our research and prepare the right clips and blah blah blah,

990
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: and so I would I would estimate we put in

991
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: about like six hours of prep work just to make

992
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: sure all of our bases are covered. That's before we

993
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: even turn on the mics, so you know, and just

994
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: examining like, oh, what did people say about the episode

995
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: when it came out, how was they received, what were

996
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: the ratings, what else was on w B at the time,

997
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: what were the promos that they were airing for those episodes,

998
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Uh. So, you know, we

999
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: spend a good amount of time doing that and then

1000
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: also on the post and on the post production and

1001
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: just making sure it sounds as good as it possibly

1002
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: can be and cutting out stupid stuff that we say. Well,

1003
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: one of the most entertaining things to listen to throughout

1004
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: the podcast is how sort of the hints and wishes

1005
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: wistful longings for the second seventh season to be redone

1006
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: or reboot of some sort. And obviously that's happening now

1007
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: to some extent with the Netflix deal and Demi you

1008
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: wrote about this recently in The Guardian and kind of

1009
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: asked this question of whether the show could work in

1010
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: the context of and obviously that was more about like

1011
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: the show picking up from where it left off. But

1012
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know y'all's perspective on whether just the

1013
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: entire show itself, if we plopped Stars hollow and picked

1014
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: back up with Rory when she was in ninth grade,

1015
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: if the show could still work because there are so

1016
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: many facets of culture that would just seem out of place,

1017
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: especially technology, even outside of the technological aspect of having

1018
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: to update things to sort of fit in the scope

1019
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: of two fifteen and the technology we use and this

1020
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: sort of different way that drama plays out. I hate

1021
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: to say it, but I don't think show like this

1022
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: could exist nowadays because it's too it's too placid, nothing,

1023
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing big happens. It's not event television. It's the kind

1024
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: of thing that would maybe run as a mini series

1025
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: and then get nominated for a lot of awards, but

1026
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: it's not really dramatic enough to see a teenager's life

1027
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: play out in a frankly a fairly calm way for

1028
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: seven years, and that's it's lovely to see. But it

1029
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: was also lovely to see in a time when that

1030
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: sort of television was all over the air waves. But

1031
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: now it's it's not there as much anymore unless it's

1032
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: got a sort of hook to it, Like even the

1033
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: podcast we do doesn't work without the hook of us

1034
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: being guys. So I think that for a show like Gilmore,

1035
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: where the whole idea is that it doesn't need a hook,

1036
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: it's just a very nice television show to watch is

1037
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: not as much of a draw in a world where

1038
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: every sort of television show has something to pull itself

1039
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: by the reins. I think Demmi is right in that

1040
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: most TV shows that are on now have to be

1041
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: some sort of concepts, So it's taking a thing and

1042
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: putting it somewhere else. So, you know, like the c W,

1043
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: which was you know, formerly the w B and Gilmore

1044
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: Girls season seven was on the c W. Now almost

1045
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: everything they do is some sort of genre thing, like

1046
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: a zombie Icily is doing zombie stuff, Jane the Virgin

1047
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: is a play on Telenovela's Crazy Ex Girlfriend is a

1048
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: musical romantic comedy. Uh, and then of course all their

1049
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: superhero shows and stuff. So I don't know if it

1050
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: couldn't exist at all. It just I don't think it

1051
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: could exist for sure a network TV. I think it

1052
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: would be a very specific sort of home. It would

1053
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: have to find on something like Cable, maybe even something

1054
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: like ABC Family, which of course Bunheads was on afterwards,

1055
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: but even then that got canceled after one season because

1056
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't high concept enough. I don't know. I

1057
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: don't know if that sort of show could thrive. I

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Speaker 1: think the closest uh parallel we could see too it

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Speaker 1: also starting lawn Graham would be Parenthood, which is the

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Speaker 1: only drama I can recall on network TV of the

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Speaker 1: last like five five to eight years that was just

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Speaker 1: the logline was, oh, it's a family and they go

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Speaker 1: through stuff and they have conflicts being like and it's

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Speaker 1: not and they're also werewolves or something like that. It's

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Speaker 1: just that low concept of a thing. And Parenthood survived

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Speaker 1: for you know, five or six seasons however long it was,

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Speaker 1: So could guild more again, I'm not sure, But as

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Speaker 1: far as like, and that's just like from a network perspective,

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Speaker 1: like from a content perspective, I think definitely. I think

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Speaker 1: the stories they tell sometimes they hinged on uh you know,

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Speaker 1: an achronistic technology to us now and Roy has lines

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Speaker 1: like oh I didn't get your page or something. But

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Speaker 1: otherwise the core of the stories they're telling couldn't those

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Speaker 1: conflicts couldn't be solved with like a tweet or a

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Speaker 1: text message or something. So I think the core if

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Speaker 1: they like remade a quote unquote for a new generation

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Speaker 1: in I think the core of it would be the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of like it kind of reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: show Awkward a little bit, like Awkward seems kind of

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Speaker 1: like a little bit of an update minus minus the lore,

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Speaker 1: like character, actually minus the whole like female relationship. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: and then again Awkward is like that's MTV. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: and that's like that. I don't know if Awkward could

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Speaker 1: make it in a in a network television model that

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Speaker 1: we have. Now, you know, well, do you guys consider

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Speaker 1: the show to be feminist? Do you think it's a

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Speaker 1: feminist show? Uh? You know, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: for us to say, especially it's like two guys like

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Speaker 1: this is feminist and this isn't feminist, But I would

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Speaker 1: say that there's definitely strong female relationships, strong female characters

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Speaker 1: are independent, and a metric that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: apply I to see how a TV show or a

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Speaker 1: movie is treating its female characters is something called the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test. Have you guys heard of this? So what

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Speaker 1: we found in for your listeners who may not have

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Speaker 1: heard of it. It's essentially you just ask yourself a

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Speaker 1: couple of questions about a movie or TV show. Are

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Speaker 1: you know question number one? Are there two or more

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Speaker 1: female characters? In the movie or TV show. Number two,

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Speaker 1: do they talk to each other? Number three? Do they

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Speaker 1: talk to each other about something that's not a man

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Speaker 1: or the male main character, et cetera. And what we

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Speaker 1: found in doing the first season um was that it

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Speaker 1: kind of failed the reverse Bechtel test, you know Moore

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Speaker 1: Girls did in that two males didn't talk to each

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Speaker 1: other until like episode five, which is actually like not

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Speaker 1: something like Damie was saying. It's not saying they emphasize

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Speaker 1: and like we're women, but you know, it's not a

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Speaker 1: focal point of the show. But it's just one of

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Speaker 1: those things that's that's in a in a strange way,

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Speaker 1: almost casually progressive, if that makes sense, and that like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's just have all the lead most all

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Speaker 1: the leads to be female, and that they talked to

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Speaker 1: each other, if that makes sense. So I think there's

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Speaker 1: definitely some feminist value to it. Of course, Lorela is

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Speaker 1: like an amazing strong character, and they're all like human characters.

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Speaker 1: I think would be the best way to put it, like,

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Speaker 1: regardless of this is what a woman should be or

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be or blah blah blah. That Amy Sherman Palladino

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Speaker 1: took care to create these well rounded, nuanced, flawed, amazing

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Speaker 1: people that happened to be women. I think is the

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Speaker 1: main strength of the show. Well, you mentioned casually progressive.

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Speaker 1: Now stars Hollow is a pretty straight white town. Do

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Speaker 1: you think do you think that their lack of diversity

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Speaker 1: detracts from it from the show at all? I don't

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Speaker 1: think it detracts from an as much as it does

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Speaker 1: paint the idea that this is a very uh, very

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Speaker 1: specific view of a small town. It doesn't try to

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Speaker 1: make a point about its lack of diversity, doesn't really

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Speaker 1: try to make a point of the few black characters

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Speaker 1: it does have. And I don't think that's necessarily a

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Speaker 1: huge flaw of the show as much as it is

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Speaker 1: just kind of this a real reflection of the show

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Speaker 1: creators sort of life like it's not you know, she

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Speaker 1: is a white a straight white woman, and she's writing

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Speaker 1: a show about straight white women, and and it's sort

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Speaker 1: of I wouldn't say it's a criticism of the show

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't have too many minority characters, but it

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Speaker 1: does sort of limit the stories they can tell, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really it's one thing that they don't kind

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Speaker 1: of delve into in the sense that they don't really

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Speaker 1: delve into stories that are so female specific at times,

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Speaker 1: or make a point about female relationships in the show.

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Speaker 1: They can't do like I think they so much don't

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: want to get pointed about the drama they have. They

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Speaker 1: want to keep it general that they don't even see

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Speaker 1: the idea that general conflict can apply to portraying the

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Speaker 1: conflict of other races as well, or other sexualities, or

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Speaker 1: even uh, the conflicts that anyone different than the characters

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Speaker 1: they portray would experience. You know. They just want to

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Speaker 1: present conflicts and stories that are applicable to people of

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Speaker 1: literally every creed, which means not doing something that is

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Speaker 1: so specific to women, or to men, or to white people,

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Speaker 1: or to gay people or anyone. It's just here's a

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Speaker 1: story that applies to a person, and we just have

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Speaker 1: we just happen to have given the avatar for that

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Speaker 1: person to a female white woman. That was a lot

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Speaker 1: of rambling. I don't know if that made sense, that

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Speaker 1: made total sense. Um. Since everyone is now asking YouTube

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Speaker 1: about the Netflix reboot, I am curious to know if

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Speaker 1: each of you, could, you know, put a bug in

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Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladinos here and be like you must do this.

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Speaker 1: I want to see this. Is there anything do you

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Speaker 1: have any kind of like wishless? I mean also for

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Speaker 1: you to me, you haven't even seen the entire show yet, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's still so much. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is there is there anything that that you would especially

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Speaker 1: like or something I don't know, a character you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind never seeing again. Well, I'll assure you that we

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Speaker 1: have no power, influence and control over what Amy Sharman

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Speaker 1: Paladina decides to do. And uh, I mean as far

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Speaker 1: as what I want to see, I don't really have

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Speaker 1: any expectations for it, truthfully, of like, they need to

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Speaker 1: hit this point and they need to do this with

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Speaker 1: Luke and then Jess needs to blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 1: then Rory's got a dada because especially to like in

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Speaker 1: the age of like the reboot and the revival and

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, it seems like setting yourself up to

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Speaker 1: be disappointed by walking in with too much of that baggage.

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Speaker 1: So and maybe that's the politicians answer is like I

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: want them to do whatever they want to do. But

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Speaker 1: that is truly my answer. If anything. You know what,

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Speaker 1: here's one thing I would love to see. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see Kirk's successful uh in successfully running his

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Speaker 1: own business of some sort. That is like just a

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: crazy the uh success story and just he's huge and

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Speaker 1: and uh and he's a millionaire now. That would be great.

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Speaker 1: That's really sweet. Um. One one thing I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: get y'alls take on is do you think Suky will

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Speaker 1: be and the Netflix reboot? I mean, Melissa McCarthy obviously

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: is like so huge now and has been kind of

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Speaker 1: absent from all of the reunion stuff. I think if

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Speaker 1: they do, it will kind of be what they did

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Speaker 1: with Bradley Cooper and What American Summer, where he's just

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Speaker 1: kind of there for one or two days filming all

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Speaker 1: of his scenes, and maybe we hear Sukie's voice off

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Speaker 1: screen saying things to suggest that she's in the room,

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Speaker 1: but we don't see her as much as we'd like to,

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Speaker 1: or there are a lot of stand in shots. And

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Speaker 1: that's even just the best case scenario, because in my mind,

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Speaker 1: it's a foregone conclusion that Melissa McCarthy will not be there, like,

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Speaker 1: which is a shame, but it's also I think it's understandable,

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 1: and I like to imagine that even though everyone would

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Speaker 1: love to see it and can't imagine the show without Suki,

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Speaker 1: she is not one of the central for like the

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: central characters of the show, and I think that they

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Speaker 1: could rewrite or they could write this sort of finale

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Speaker 1: to the show without her being there more than a

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Speaker 1: few episodes. Like even in the show as we're watching now,

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Speaker 1: she's not in too many episodes. She doesn't have too

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Speaker 1: many main stories, especially when she gets pregnant. It's just

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Speaker 1: kind of touch and go when she comes into deliver

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Speaker 1: a few quips, and I think that's exactly what it

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Speaker 1: would be for the new season. But her Risotto, magic Risotta,

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Speaker 1: magic Rosta. You could just make a risotto and then go, hey,

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Speaker 1: I made a risotto. Just played that clip in every episode,

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Speaker 1: just coming around. Yes, what a brilliant solution. Um One.

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Speaker 1: One final question I have for YouTube is could you

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Speaker 1: which Kevin which stars Hollo character would Demi be and Demi?

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Speaker 1: Same to you for Kevin, oh dang uh? For Demi, well,

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Speaker 1: Demi is uh loyal and thoughtful and contemplatives, So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Luke. Demmi would be Luke, which is

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Speaker 1: funny because I was gonna go with Taylor because you

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Speaker 1: keep the whole show running. Yes, I'm very much the

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Speaker 1: Taylor in the bad way. Well, guys, those are all

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Speaker 1: of our questions. Are there any parting thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls or the Gilmore Guys that you would like

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Speaker 1: to leave our listeners with that we haven't asked you about. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can just check out our show Monday and Wednesdays.

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Speaker 1: It's on iTunes and SoundCloud and wherever you can find

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Speaker 1: podcasts and and check our website Gilmore Guys Show dot

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Speaker 1: com for tour dates and we'll be hitting the road

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Speaker 1: again in January, doing some dates up in the Pacific

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Speaker 1: Northwest and Portland and Seattle and hopefully come into a

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Speaker 1: town near you. So thanks again so much to Kevin

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Speaker 1: and Demi. I loved talking with them because I am

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Speaker 1: just impressed by such passion and dedication to the Gilmore

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Speaker 1: Girls honestly, and I mean it's it's a passion and

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Speaker 1: dedication that so many of our listeners have. So I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys really enjoyed our chat with them and listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now it's your turn. We want to know what you

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: all think about the Gilmo Our Girls, What are your

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: favorite episodes, who are your favorite characters, what do you

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: want to see happen in the Netflix reboot? And do

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Speaker 1: you think season seven is as bad as everyone else thinks?

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Speaker 1: Because oh, you know, I think there are some redeeming

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: qualities And do you think it's a feminist show? Mom

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Speaker 1: Stuff at how stuff works dot com is where you

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: can send us all your Gilmore Girls thoughts, and you

1250
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,879
Speaker 1: can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast and messages

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Speaker 1: on Facebook. And huge thanks to those of you who

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Speaker 1: sent us some audio letters of the things that you

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Speaker 1: love about the Gilmore Girls. So the listener mail segment

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Speaker 1: of this episode is going to be a little bit different,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to share a few of your letters

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Speaker 1: and Gilmore Girls reminiscences with you right now. Hi, Christine, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: this is Anna. I'm from Saratoga Springs and a member

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Speaker 1: of a very large family of Sminty listeners. I was

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Speaker 1: really excited to see you both work covering Gilmore Girls,

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Speaker 1: which is quite possibly my favorite TV show. Um In

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Speaker 1: terms of favorites from that show, I would say my

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Speaker 1: favorite moment has to be was in TJ's wedding. For

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, the Renaissance aspect definitely being one

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Speaker 1: of them, but the first dance two sand Pulp's reflecting

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Speaker 1: Light was definitely has to be my favorite moment in

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Speaker 1: the series, um, just because watching Luke and Lorely dance

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Speaker 1: end of the song, you see they're just physically closer

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Speaker 1: and moving smoothly, and you see them get comfortable, which

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Speaker 1: for me is kind of what their whole relationship arc was. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was intentional, but that was something

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Speaker 1: I always noticed and really enjoyed when watching that scene.

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Speaker 1: So U keep sharing all the awesome shows. I listened

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Speaker 1: to y'all every week, and I'm constantly converting other people

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Speaker 1: to listen. Have a great day, So thanks for that, Anna,

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Speaker 1: And next up we have Liz, who shared her Gilmore

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Speaker 1: Girls thoughts and in a follow up email, she wrote,

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Speaker 1: I think something about having four brothers and no sisters

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Speaker 1: growing up reinforced my attraction to a show full of

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Speaker 1: B studio tour. Flip the f out as I stood

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Speaker 1: in their doorway and walked on Emily's driveway and wandered

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Speaker 1: around the gazebo. Total fangirl moment. And here's what else

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Speaker 1: lived at to day. I am a huge Gilmore Girls fan.

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Speaker 1: I love the wit of the show. I love the humor,

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Speaker 1: I love the intelligence of strong female characters. I'm I

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Speaker 1: think it's creative and fan since it first came out

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Speaker 1: back in two thousands. Um, what's kind of weird. But

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Speaker 1: I recently realized is it came out in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: I was sixteen, the character Greorious sixteen now just a

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Speaker 1: few months out from World returning thirty two, which is

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Speaker 1: the same age as the lore like character when the

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Speaker 1: show first starts. Um, it's just kind of um interesting

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Speaker 1: to me that the show is still such Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a piece of my pop cultural reference and things that

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Speaker 1: it's definitely show that I keep coming back to. You know,

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Speaker 1: almost every life transition I go through, I end up um,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing sort of new binge watch of Gilmore Girls.

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Speaker 1: And as I've done that over my life. It's been

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how you know, obviously the show hasn't

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Speaker 1: actually changed, but my viewing of it has. And when

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Speaker 1: identify with most. So you know, as a as a teenager,

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Speaker 1: experience as a the Rory character. And then in college,

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Speaker 1: I think I started to identify more with the overlye character. Um,

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Speaker 1: hear that it's um, you know, supposed to be be coming

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Speaker 1: back for a short revived bowld To and the show

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Speaker 1: properly with the original writers. And finally, Lindsay shared with

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