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Speaker 1: It's Goblin Mode. Welcome to it could happen here a

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Speaker 1: podcast that is today in Goblin Mode. Uh, you know

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Speaker 1: what it's about. You've heard to say it like about

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Speaker 1: twenty million times. But yeah, I'm your host, Christopher Wong

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Speaker 1: and uh with me today we have Juniper, who is

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Speaker 1: a really twitter ship post extraordinary extraordinaire, on to discuss language, media, culture,

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Speaker 1: of the nature of reality, and Goblin Mode. Junifer, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Hiy, how's it going. It's going good.

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Speaker 1: It's going much better since Goblin Mode ceased control of

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Speaker 1: the world. We are now living in the age of

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Speaker 1: Goblin Mode. And Drew marsh said this morning, apparently it's

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Speaker 1: quite a time. I didn't realize just posting with like

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Speaker 1: just posting an influence so much around me. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's been an interesting time for sure. Yeah. So, so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about sort of the

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Speaker 1: absurdity that is goblin Mode. Um. And I want to

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Speaker 1: hold off on talking about what goblin Mode like is

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Speaker 1: or isn't for a bit because I think that's actually,

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Speaker 1: weirdly the less interesting part. And I want to start

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Speaker 1: with instead the story of how goblin Mode became like

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Speaker 1: a thing and why I am reading. I keep I

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Speaker 1: keep like, every every time I look for more Goblin

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Speaker 1: mode headlines, there's more Goblin mode headlines like the I

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Speaker 1: think my favorite so far is from Bloomberg. It's a dieselent.

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Speaker 1: Diesel prices have gone goblin mode. Forget crude oil. This

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Speaker 1: could be the real energy emergency. Yeah, that that is

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Speaker 1: by far one of my favorites to uh. The full

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Speaker 1: headline too, if you search for that one is it's

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Speaker 1: what you said, but then it adds on thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, an official Bloilberg headline with goblin mode

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Speaker 1: and the Ukraine words. I gotta that's just part of

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Speaker 1: my favorite one. Amazing. The other part of three that's

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Speaker 1: extremely funny is that so the people who are doing

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Speaker 1: these articles keep getting asked someone, and someone's asking like

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Speaker 1: an intern to find a picture of a goblin, and

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Speaker 1: they keep posting pictures of orcs, which is like enormously

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Speaker 1: funny to me. Okay, so I'm not sure what they're

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Speaker 1: searching to get those. Yeah, I don't know. It's really incredible. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess that should So we should start

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Speaker 1: from the beginning of this story, which is, yeah, can

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Speaker 1: you talk about your ship post and uh what you

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Speaker 1: were thinking at the time when you made a ship

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Speaker 1: post that randomly like has has had months long ripple

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Speaker 1: effects on the world. Sure, I think you're right though,

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Speaker 1: like the post itself, and that's like the least interesting

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Speaker 1: part of all of goblin mode in my opinion as well,

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Speaker 1: Like just seeing the ripple effect is what's been super

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Speaker 1: interesting and really funny to me. But um sure yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the post um basically, I think it was like

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Speaker 1: the day that um what Kanye West and Julia Fox,

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Speaker 1: which there's a quick note, I've never heard of Julia

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Speaker 1: Fox before any of this. So I like sometimes if,

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Speaker 1: like you know, Twitter is all talking about one thing,

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Speaker 1: like everyone's talking about that. So whenever like some like

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Speaker 1: I try to like think of some creative different posts

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Speaker 1: the the discourse or whatever you wanna call it. So

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Speaker 1: I just I really don't know what compelled me to

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Speaker 1: make a fake headline, but basically, I just I just

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Speaker 1: decided to search. I think I was driving home from work,

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Speaker 1: and I just decided to search like Kanye West Julia Fox,

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Speaker 1: and I just found the first headline and I just

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Speaker 1: edited it to say, um, Kanye West doesn't like it

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Speaker 1: when Julia Fox goes gobline basically, and that's why they

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Speaker 1: the replies. Most people think it's real at the time

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Speaker 1: when there was the initial article about my post um,

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Speaker 1: I forget who wrote it. At this point, I think, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right, it was the focus they they they for

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Speaker 1: like the headline that I made made up the original

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Speaker 1: website like edited that part out. So they thought that

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Speaker 1: taken away. And so that also affected what some people

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Speaker 1: people thought it was really real. That's that's what's insane

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Speaker 1: to me about this. Yeah, and like you and like

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Speaker 1: like Vogue like picked this up. This was just like

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Speaker 1: like there's so much like incredible stuff about this like

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Speaker 1: part of it. You know, So what if the articles

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Speaker 1: that that gets published about this like after, so like

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Speaker 1: there's this initial period where everyone is running around going like,

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Speaker 1: Fox has to make a statement that's like no, there

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Speaker 1: that's That's the interesting about like the evolution of goblin Mode,

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Speaker 1: like stemming from my post specifically, is at first the

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Speaker 1: Like you you won't see any goblin Mode article talk

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Speaker 1: interesting that that's what sustaining this. I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: passage from one of the art I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I'm calling it a passage. It's just like a sentence,

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Speaker 1: but read part of one of the articles that that

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Speaker 1: came from up from the the initial search, which is

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Speaker 1: from the streetwear company called high Snobby. Don't tell me

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Speaker 1: if I'm like pronouncing that wrong. Uh, well, okay, that's

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. So the article, they have this

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Speaker 1: they post your tweet about like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe Julia Fox had to respond to this, and

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Speaker 1: then they say, I'm not saying Fox was lying, but

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Speaker 1: which is to what extent was goblin mode real in

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Speaker 1: the first place before You're sort of mean to went

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Speaker 1: like what part of the phrase existed before my post? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I think it was also like, what what were

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Speaker 1: do you do you know the user on Twitter hottie pants?

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Speaker 1: Do you happen to know that guy? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: He was He would post a lot about like goblin

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Speaker 1: seen the post. I just liked link to the chat um.

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Speaker 1: There was like, like the thing I'd seen from goblin

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Speaker 1: Mode before this, like all started, was this like Reddit

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Speaker 1: It was about this Reddit post of like someone creeping

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Speaker 1: So I didn't see that until I made my post,

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Speaker 1: like in my initial because I think someone linked it

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Speaker 1: likely worked out for me, Like everything kind of just

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Speaker 1: seen that one before you made it? I follow her,

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Speaker 1: I followed Telgore. I might have seen it. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: that article, and now it seems to be the one

429
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: that everyone's referring to now is the Guardian article about

430
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: it that seems to be like a media's favorite piece

431
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: about it, which is the one that talks more about

432
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: it being like a lifestyle trend. And I think that's

433
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: where it really went off, is when like some people

434
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: took in the TikTok aspect of it and kind of

435
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: manifested it that way. I think it's a couple of

436
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: interesting political consequences of this, one of which is that like,

437
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: like Twitter as a platform isn't really I mean, since

438
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: Trump got banned, it's kind of like it hasn't really

439
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: been where most like stuff is happening, like TikTok is exploding.

440
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you still like the boomers on Facebook. Like

441
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: it hasn't like it hasn't been the sort of like

442
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: driving force of politics that normally is. But the one

443
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: thing that it has is that all of the journalists

444
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: are still on there, and that means that like yeah,

445
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: like there's all these weird political concequences. Were like, yeah,

446
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: you can sort of like like you can just sort

447
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: of will things into existence by convincing journalists that it's real.

448
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: And that's I think really scary in a lot of

449
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: ways for because you know, like the people who are

450
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: really really good at the sort of manipulation or right

451
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: wingers and right wingers could have sort of like like

452
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I people are probably mad about

453
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: me for this, but like one of the things that

454
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Speaker 1: I remember from like God was just two dozen sixteen.

455
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Speaker 1: It was like there was this whole discourse about like, uh,

456
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of like all a bunch of

457
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: people are really mad about like there being a black

458
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Speaker 1: storm Trooper and Star Wars, yeah, the whole Yeah that's

459
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: interesting about it was like yeah, I think I think

460
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: that was just yeah, yeah, there there. There's the thing

461
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: that was interesting about it was like so I know

462
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: people who like who like looked into it beforehand, and

463
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: it was like the only people who were talking about

464
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: this it was like people who were confused because they

465
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: thought that stormtroopers were all clones and we're like wait,

466
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: why wait and then and the other thing there are

467
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: other group of people who were mad about this was

468
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: storm Front, and store Front was able to like turn

469
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Speaker 1: this into like like a discourse, like they able to

470
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Speaker 1: they were ably convinced journalists like this was a real

471
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Speaker 1: thing that like a significant number people are mad about,

472
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Speaker 1: and then it like actually turned into a thing that

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Speaker 1: a significant number of people are mad about. Because you

474
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Speaker 1: can sort of just like like you you can start

475
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: these like panics and like this is one of the

476
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Speaker 1: things we're talking about in our trans episodes were like,

477
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Speaker 1: you know, a fairly small network of well funded people

478
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: can cause like enormous swass of the US you just

479
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: lose their ship and get extremely violent and get like

480
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, and and and the specific thing they're mad

481
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: about changes like pretty frequently. But you can just sort

482
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Speaker 1: of like if if you're able to manipulate the media

483
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: well enough and you you know that there's other ways

484
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Speaker 1: to do is like you know, you could do it

485
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: by like weird memes. You can do it by you know,

486
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: being the cops, or just like having press releases that

487
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: you send out you can have you can do it

488
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: through like these sort of like astro turf, Like I

489
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Speaker 1: don't know, you have like an astro turf intellectual like

490
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: what's his name, markat Ufo, But it's it's it's interesting

491
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: to me that like they all seem to work, like

492
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: the pathway through it all seems to be very similar.

493
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Speaker 1: Which is what you do is you convince a bunch

494
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Speaker 1: of media people or something is real, and then once

495
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: once they start taking it seriously, it sort of manifests

496
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: itself into reality. Yeah, I know that, that is what

497
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: I realized what was happening, Like I one of my

498
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: initial points that I was trying to make after um

499
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Speaker 1: the whole goblin thing. After the first article came out,

500
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I was like, it really made me realized, like how

501
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: potent fake I hate saying this phrase just because it's

502
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: become such like a nothing sort of phrase, but like

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: fake news, how how easy it is to just like

504
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: what if instead of goblin mode? I decided like, let's

505
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Speaker 1: say I'm like a crazy right winger and I had

506
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: this weird sgeist moments causing a panic about like trans people,

507
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: and I made like a fake tweet like that you

508
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: would we see that happened all the time, like trans

509
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: people pee. A lot of people hate us um, and

510
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: it would be super easy. Put it in the right community. Um,

511
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: make this fake tweet or a fake headline, and people

512
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: right wing or specifically will go wild and it'll really

513
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Speaker 1: influence the discourse. I mean, look at the current I

514
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: mean it's it's kind of over now. But the last

515
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: it was last week the swimmer, the trans swimmer, that

516
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: was the women's competition. I mean, the amount of vitriol

517
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: that was able to be created over that, just like

518
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: imagine what like as you had like a well funded,

519
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: tight network of um but I don't know, but for

520
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, like fake news creators just

521
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: all they need to do is put something out on Facebook,

522
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: the boomers see it, and then it's over. What One

523
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: of the things I learned about, like well, I was

524
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: doing research for Weirdly an episode about Reverend Moon, was

525
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: that like people figured so this is sort of like

526
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: this is like how the Republicans came to power, Like

527
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: that they figured out you could do shoot like this

528
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: and like rubber Fugieri like in like in like the

529
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: sixties figured out that like if you just if you

530
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: sent like you could just send letters to like they work.

531
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I guess there were't even boomers up if you just

532
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: send letters to old people that would say stuff like

533
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: a planned parenthood is harvesting baby fetuses. You could just

534
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: get the really mad and it's like and it's funny

535
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: because you know in the cities, like he's he's doing

536
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: this like by mail, right, like he is mailing you

537
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: a chain letter. It's just stuff. Yeah, it became just

538
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: like a product amount. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like

539
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: it's it's weird because you can watch them invent this

540
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, yeah, this guy was funded

541
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: by like a weird cult guy who was trying to

542
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: take over the world, who was being backed by the

543
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: Korean CIA, and it's like, I don't know, it gets

544
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: into this, Yeah, it all sort of comes back into

545
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: this weird thing where yeah, I mean I like one

546
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: of one of the the sort political transformations I've had

547
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: since I started working here was like I didn't take

548
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: like it's sort of a similar to what you were saying,

549
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Like I didn't take the like weaponized unreality like fake

550
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: new stuff like that seriously. And then it was like

551
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: you cover it every day and it's like, oh my god,

552
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: like the like the weird like like watching like four Chan,

553
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: like invents the I A shouly don't know if it's

554
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Portune was one of watching like just weird right wing

555
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: like message boards invents like the Ukrainian bio lab thing,

556
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: which like Grant Meanwall Now tweets about and like like

557
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: like like the official state media of Russia and China

558
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: are like talking about these bio labs and it's like

559
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: it's turned into this weird like like thing where like yeah,

560
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: like actual countries with like nuclear weapons are like basically

561
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: using ship posters as like as like a way to

562
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: do propaganda. Is it's just like really weird. I don't know,

563
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: it's it's this really weird and incredibly disturbing media space

564
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: to live in. Yeah, it's it's like a it's a

565
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: weird synthesis of ship posters just posting online to like

566
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: whatever audience and I guess like media of some sort

567
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: and not maybe not like um in the in the

568
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: case with the biolab, I don't know too much about that,

569
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: especially cause I'm black by Gun Greenwald, so I don't

570
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: see a lot of stuff. Yeah, but yeah, no, it's

571
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting how how kind of interlocked there and and

572
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: to your point about the earlier about the whole Trump

573
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: made magic thing. Like I I didn't take that too

574
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: seriously at the time, Like inten I was like, oh,

575
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: all these silly right wingers making these means like this

576
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: isn't gonna do anything. Like I I don't, I truly

577
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: don't know if it really had an effect, but I

578
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: mean it's we can't really ignore the power of that.

579
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: Just simply manifesting something, even if it's artificial, can actually

580
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: have a hole on certain people. Um as you were

581
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: saying with the mailing letters. I mean, if you just

582
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: say enough, if you say something enough to the right

583
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: type of person, they'll just believe it. I mean, it's

584
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: it's not hard to lie to people as horrible as

585
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: those to say. It's really not that hard to lie

586
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: to people. Yeah, Like, I mean that's the whole sort

587
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: of like everyone yelling groomer like constantly about trans people.

588
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they just lied over and over again.

589
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: And like half the people who were like saying this

590
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: stuff are actually pedophiles And it doesn't matter because you know,

591
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: if you just like do this ship over and over again,

592
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: you get these you get just get these like hate bobs,

593
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, no, the right wing right wing or

594
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: specifically are phenomenal creating hate mobs. Yeah, it's kind of

595
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: incredible to witness. It's it's really scary, but it's it's

596
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: an incredible thing to see. There's not really an equivalent,

597
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: i would say, on the left in the way that

598
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: um even maybe in liberals there's an equivalent, but like

599
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: on the on the left, there's not really like an

600
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: equivalent to like some like a mob in that way. Yeah,

601
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's you know, like, Okay, there's

602
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: always an extent to which like these stuff, the stuff

603
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: has like material constraints, Like you know, I thought to

604
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: talk about like constantly on this show, the fact that

605
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: like this is like this is the stuff that the

606
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: de cons believed and then they ran into the material

607
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: constraints of the Iraq War and the entire project imploded.

608
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: And like, I mean, I think one of the reasons

609
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: why this is easier for the right is that like

610
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: there's the there there's a there's a there's there's a

611
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: there's always a political base for them that is there

612
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: that they can access fairly easily, which is okay, they

613
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: may they have access to like you know, that they

614
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: have access to like a vast swath of petit bars wall.

615
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: They have access to a bunch of white business owners.

616
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: They have access to like this sort of like this

617
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: like white professional class, they have access to the sort

618
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: of like white gentry e class, and like those people

619
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: can very easily be sort of like whipped into a

620
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: frothing rage, and like part of it is because like

621
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: that that's essentially that's just what they' that's what their

622
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: class interest is. That's what they're sort of like like

623
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: their status of the racial hierarchy like brings them to

624
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: do already. And you could sort of like you know,

625
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: if you just shovel a bit of coal on it,

626
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you can you can make the fire go absolutely. And

627
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's talked about a lot, I'm sure, but

628
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: like the one thing that is really powerful is Fox News. Yeah.

629
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Fox News will pick up literally anything like I saw

630
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: I saw post on Twitter just the other day, screenshot

631
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: or just just a picture of Fox News and they

632
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: cited the libs of TikTok Twitter account talking about school classrooms.

633
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: It's like, what is that like not like the right

634
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: wingers will just take the source of a random Twitter

635
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: user that has a take takes messages from random people

636
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: that message them and then that's their news like that

637
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: just to to to to to be fair to Fox News,

638
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: which is not a thing I will ever say again, Uh,

639
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me if that whole thing,

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: like because so the I don't know if you saw

641
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: this the Lives of TikTok person is like, is that

642
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: that thing is run by an old Bush administration person?

643
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Really I did not know that. Yeah, so it wouldn't.

644
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, like there there there's probably a three

645
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and four chance that they just saw someone who's like

646
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: trying to own the libs on TikTok. But there's like

647
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: a one in four chance that like all the old

648
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: like Bush network people like know each other and that's

649
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: why they're promoting it. That's that's a good point. That's

650
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean they have to know that.

651
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Well maybe I don't know, Like it's it's one of

652
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: those things where it's like it becomes I don't know,

653
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: it becomes really difficult to to know the extent to

654
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: which the beliefs. Yeah, well how organized they are into

655
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the extent to which they believe what they're saying. Because

656
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: part of that like that becomes like you know, if if,

657
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: if you know who's behind that, it becomes easier to

658
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: sort of be like, oh yeah, we're just sort of

659
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: playing a game. But it could also just be like, now,

660
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: this is this is content that we like, uh, we

661
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: were all too lazy to go or just message the

662
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: person to see who they are, Like I mean they

663
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: had the specifically in this case, the lives of TikTok Lady.

664
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: They had her like on TALX news ones talking oh

665
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, referenced her multiple times, so they have to

666
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: know her. Yea, yeah, yeah, that that's that. That's another

667
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: technique that they do a lot, which that they take

668
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: someone who is like you know, like a like an

669
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: old part, like who's literally a Republican operative, right, and

670
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: just laundered them as an actress. Actually, the funny part

671
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: is you see, like like the New York Times and

672
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Ship like all the main street outlets do the same

673
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: thing to you where it's like, yeah, well, well, like

674
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: any time you see an article that is like I

675
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: was a Democratic voter, but I'm going to vote for

676
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the Republicans, nine times out of ten, that person is

677
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: a Republican operative. And if you google their name and

678
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: look hard enough, you can just find it. And it's

679
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: like and that's the only thing. Yeah, That's another thing,

680
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: was like I don't know whether they whether they're just

681
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: lazy and don't check, or whether they're just sort of

682
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: like doing this kind of like I don't know that

683
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: what what what? Whether whether they're doing this on purpose,

684
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: because I mean that, you know, that's that's the thing

685
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: with journalism, Like it's it's difficult to like, when someone

686
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: screws something up, it's it's difficult to determine a lot

687
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: of times whether it's malice or whether it's they're just

688
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: the only research they did was they googled something. Yeah,

689
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: I feel like in the realblem that we're talking about

690
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: right now, it's like right wingers, I think a lot

691
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: of it Obviously it's pretty malicious a lot of the

692
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: time at least, But in terms of like the whole

693
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: goblin mode situation where that that stemmed off just from

694
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: like random like Guardian whatever articles, I think I think

695
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: that was just more of like, oh, let's kind of

696
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: trying to explain this thing that is apparently now a

697
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: trend and we're manifesting it in real time. Yeah, I

698
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: do think there's like a distinction between that ex I

699
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: feel there's no like like with the goblin mode, there's

700
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: there's no nefarious aspect of it, but that like technique

701
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: can be used in a very nefarious way, and I

702
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: think that manifests in the most easy to waste, easiest

703
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: to see ways in right wing media. Yeah, I do

704
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: want to also mention that, like, yeah, I I think

705
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: I said briefly, like the people who do this the

706
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: most often are cops, Like the cops, and if if

707
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: you see a story about the police in the mainstap

708
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: of newspaper and you see the same story in another paper,

709
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: it's because they're basically printing a press release. And you know,

710
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean this this gets used to like launder just

711
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: straight up police lies about shootings they manufactured, like the

712
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: entire crime wave thing, like the whole thing about people

713
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: taking boxes off of trains. It's like, yeah, you look

714
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: into it and it's like, yeah, there's these like there's

715
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: sort of like shadowy police networks of people who are

716
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: basically running I mean, they have enormous budgets to do

717
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: this too, Like they have these enormous um like departmental

718
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: like public outreach budgets and those public outreach budgets are

719
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: basically them running information ops on us, which is incredibly fun.

720
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: You know that that is absolutely like a real phenomena.

721
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it specifically in cops,

722
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: but I know, I know the White House does that

723
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: all the time, where it's like, oh, there's a White

724
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: House leap and it's like, oh, no, they wanted people

725
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: to see this. This is entirely intentional. Yeah, they try

726
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: a balloon stuff a lot, and that's I don't know,

727
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: and like that this is this is goblin mode, is

728
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: like the fun version of looking at how all this

729
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: stuff works. But this stuff happens with stuff that is

730
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: extremely deadly and has real world consequences, and yeah, it's

731
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: it's it's something we need to be thinking about and

732
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: trying to I don't know if used for good is

733
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: the right thing, but like it's something that we need

734
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: to be really conscious of as we're dealing with, you know,

735
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of fascists trying to murder everyone. Absolutely, I

736
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: mean that that's been the most interesting thing about this

737
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: to me is watching Like I hate calling it this,

738
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: but just for lack of a better word, kind of

739
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: like goblin mode is like being manufactured, like manufacturing consent

740
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: in real time, like from the genesis of my post,

741
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: watching it in real time, seeing all these articles come

742
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: out and kind of all time to each other and

743
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: refer back to each other. It's been it's been kind

744
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: of eye opening about this topic that I think a

745
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: lot of leftists kind of know a lot about, Like

746
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: in terms of like media manipulation. You're it's you're right

747
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: when you said it's like the fun version of that. Yeah,

748
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: and it has been the fun version of it. But

749
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: deep down it's like, oh, this is kind of like

750
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: how they did like they this might be dramatic, but

751
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: like how they did the Iraq War in real time,

752
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: Like this is on some level, it's very similar strategy,

753
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: like media strategy. And I think, I mean, I think

754
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I think there's specifically goblamode. I think there's because because

755
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: like the Iraq War, there's a lot of just malice

756
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: there and but but in this one, it's like, yeah,

757
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: like that, you know, not all of the media, like

758
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: all of them, Like Okay, in order for something that's

759
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: completely fake to get traction, it doesn't require everyone involved

760
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: being malicious. What it requires is one person saying a thing,

761
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of journalists being too lazy to

762
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: actually look into something and then just you know, basically

763
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: reprinting the article but like rewriting a few things, which

764
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: happens constantly, and yeah, and and that, like, you know,

765
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the thing I think that's scary about that is it

766
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: reduces the number of actors who actually have to be

767
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: involved in a thing for it to just sort of

768
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: like take off like this, which yeah, like and I

769
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: think like there's there's an extent to which okay, like

770
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: it rocks, Like something on that scale is pretty rare

771
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: because it requires, like in an enormous amount of buying

772
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. But there's lots of small

773
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: examples of this stuff that just happens sort of constantly

774
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: and that stuff like yeah, I mean, you know, as

775
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, like that, that that kind of

776
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: thing with small numbers of actors and then people just

777
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: sort of lazily reprinting articles like that stuff, right. I mean,

778
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I think the best example of this is currently, at

779
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: least just in my mind because I am trans the

780
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: the whole trans planic that's happening right now. I think

781
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: that's a really good example of it. It's just where

782
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: like some website will print this certain thing and then

783
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: it becomes a hysterical panic. Yeah, there's talking about it. Yeah,

784
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: Like I think that's the most recent example that was

785
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: that spa where it was like some person claimed like

786
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: made it made a bunch of claims where they were

787
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: like they might have seen a trans person maybe, and

788
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: it turned into just like literally mobs showing up at

789
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: this spa, like anti transbobs, just like a bunch of

790
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: fascists showing up a bunch of like like yeah, and

791
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah. That that affects reality. Yeah, people,

792
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: that really affects people. Yeah. And and like the the

793
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: the other one, the other one that that we've talked

794
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: about in the trans episodes is people to people are

795
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: starting to do this kind of stuff with gender clinics,

796
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: and it's you know, yeah, and it's like yeah, like

797
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: that that's only a matter of time before they start

798
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: killing people. Like yeah, that is that is the same. Yeah.

799
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: The media can easily whip someone into frenzy to do that.

800
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen that in the past with I think,

801
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: as you referenced before, like the whole like abortion whole,

802
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: like in the nineties and the early two thousands, the

803
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: whole abortion panic. Yeah, I mean we saw we saw

804
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: people die over stuff like that. Yeah, the bombings, like

805
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: and you know, and the other thing is that like

806
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: they're winning, like they are on the verge of after

807
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: this like half a century long battle, like they are

808
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: on the verge of our turning ro he weighed. Yeah, yeah,

809
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: like you know that. And that's I think a really

810
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: grim thing for the left where it's like, like, what

811
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: one of the asymmetries here is that like if a

812
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: leftist like assassinated the head of Ice right like they were,

813
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: like I would be in prison in like a day

814
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: and a half. There'd be like fifteen people who be

815
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: shot in police raids, like yeah, be you know, but

816
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: like when when the right wing just like it do terrorism,

817
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: like just murders abortional writers, it works. And that's a

818
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: really grim asymmetry, but it's sort of the reality of

819
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: the situation that brand right. And Yeah, that reminds me

820
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: of the This is a while ago. This was during

821
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protests. I don't even remember why

822
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: he was on the um fed's radar, but there was

823
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: the dude I think in Portland's and there was like

824
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: a there was like a raid and they just shot

825
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: the dude in the remember that, Yeah, yeah, I mean

826
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: it happened again in Uh Yeah, they murdered him. And

827
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: then like it happened again with Winston Smith in uh

828
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis where like the like the cops were mad

829
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: at him because he was like he was one of

830
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: the leaders of that's happening in Minneapolis and they just

831
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: walked up and shot him. Yeah and yeah, and it's

832
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: it's it is a really bleak look at you know,

833
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: how this country actually works, which is not really what

834
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: I expected this episode to be. I just like, we'll

835
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: do a fun episode about Goblin Bode and now it's like, yeah,

836
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: he was the state just assassinating people and they're gonna

837
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: keep doing it. And also they're gonna like to start

838
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: bombing abortion well, I mean to keep bombing abortion clinics

839
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: and start bombing gender clinics, and it's like that doesn't

840
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: actually happen, but but yeah, I think it was. Our

841
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: point was that it was like we've seen that happen

842
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, of the reactionary media fueling the

843
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: hysteria through it doesn't even matter if it's real or

844
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: fake stories. That's that's the main issue, is it can

845
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: be totally fake and it'll it'll just fuel hysterics against anyone,

846
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: any any target. Yeah, that's just like yeah, like what

847
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: the we should probably close out. But like the one

848
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: that's been fun for me, and by fun, I mean

849
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: dear God, has been the fucking the Hunt biolab ship,

850
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: which was like literally like like literally this this was

851
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: this like literally this whole thing was a sie up

852
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: by Steve Bannett who was like, this is how we

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Speaker 1: can have Trump win the election by by by uniting

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Speaker 1: everyone in like anti Asian hate, and like it worked,

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Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, okay, he lost the election, but

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Speaker 1: like you know, all like eventually this is this just

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Speaker 1: like completely crank, like absolutely batship. All the people who

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Speaker 1: are advocating for it are like like they like they're

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Speaker 1: like mushroom scientists or they're like people who like you know,

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Speaker 1: like like they're they're like weird. I ever met In Truthers.

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Speaker 1: Like all these people, you know, like were were legitimized

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Speaker 1: by the media and like that had that had an

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Speaker 1: enormous impact on the last sort of two years of

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Speaker 1: anti Asian violence. Like that's like that that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that to get as bad as it did. And again,

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Speaker 1: it is just completely fake. There's nothing it's it's that

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Speaker 1: they're just they're just you know, like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: fascists made up a lie about a plague so that

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Speaker 1: they could try to win an election by like murdering

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Speaker 1: Asian people. And yeah, and it's it's That's interesting thing

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Speaker 1: is that if you look at um, like was about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about China? Like you go back

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Speaker 1: even just four years ago, most people were like, I

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Speaker 1: don't have exact numbers on my head, um, but most

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Speaker 1: people it was like maybe split like oh, like China

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Speaker 1: most Americans at this point, even like a lot of

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Speaker 1: liberals do not like China. Like it's like even the

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Speaker 1: rest like China. It's like it was just manifested through

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Speaker 1: the whole maybe not all through the whole Buhanu lab

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Speaker 1: but just the last few years and years of both

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Speaker 1: Biden's government and Trump's government ratcheting hard against um China,

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Speaker 1: and just like anti China or even anti Chinese like

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Speaker 1: people sentiments. Yeah, there's there's an interesting thing there too,

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Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, so for the first about so

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Speaker 1: that this pivot starts when which when Trump starts a

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Speaker 1: trade war, right, and there's this interesting thing where it's

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Speaker 1: like for the first about two years of it, it

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Speaker 1: was like the views about China were changing, but the

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Speaker 1: actual level of anti Asian violence wasn't doing much. But

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Speaker 1: then when COVID hit, it was like you know, it

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Speaker 1: was it was it was kind of like an abstract thing, right,

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Speaker 1: it was like, okay, well we don't like China, but

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Speaker 1: like there was nothing that there wasn't like a super

895
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Speaker 1: strong like the thing you could point to to directly

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Speaker 1: tie it to Asian people. And then the moment the

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Speaker 1: moment the pandemic started, and then the moment that like

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Speaker 1: Wuhan ship started, it was like suddenly there was like

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Speaker 1: a concrete thing that you could point to, and it

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Speaker 1: was that was like, hey, look it's the Chinese people.

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Speaker 1: The they're they're they're they're spreading the plague, they benefactured

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Speaker 1: the plague. The lab is because they're dirty, and like

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Speaker 1: the moment became that was when everything just like all

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Speaker 1: the attack skyrocketed like that. That's that's that's when like

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Speaker 1: everything just sort of like really like kicked off and

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Speaker 1: that was hysterics. That was like the target and hysteria

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Speaker 1: of I would say, yeah, yeah, and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: the fun thing I'm bracing for is like, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: looks like it's gonna be the Democrat strategy two as

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Speaker 1: well Republican strategy, and it's like, oh, hey, more of

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Speaker 1: us are gonna die. This is gonna be fun. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of scary. Yeah, this just started out as

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Speaker 1: a fun episode. But yeah, it's how God was fun,

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Speaker 1: so I guess it was still a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything else that you want to say

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Speaker 1: or do you want to tell people where to find you? Um?

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Speaker 1: I don't really have anything to say necessarily. All I

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Speaker 1: really do on the internet, at least, like my my

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Speaker 1: whole interimnet in a private presence right now is just

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um. If you want to follow me, it's

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Speaker 1: um at mell mell meu. UM. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you'll have like that linked or anything. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: i'm eu w. But that's really all I have is

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Speaker 1: just my Twitter. Yeah, that's all that's all I really

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Speaker 1: do online. I mean, it is extremely funny, and every

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Speaker 1: once in a while you create Goblin Mode as an

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Speaker 1: actual thing, which is Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, I have

929
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Speaker 1: a good time on Twitter people. People complain about that

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Speaker 1: website a lot, but yeah, since I joined it, like

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen or whatever, I haven't looked back. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I've got a lot of cool people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've known of you for a while, but it's nice

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Speaker 1: to actually talk to you. You too, Yeah, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a good time. Yeah, So go Goblin Mode.

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Speaker 1: Don't let the fascist murder trans people. Uh yeah, this

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Speaker 1: this is maybe it could happen here. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter, Instagram at happen here pot Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: have fun, find cool trinkets suppressed the turfs gotta you

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Speaker 1: gotta have the trinkets. You gotta find the That's what

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Speaker 1: goblin modes all about, getting trinkets. That's right, all right,

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Speaker 1: the bio folks. It could happen here. As a production

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Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check

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