1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. Well it's just Katie today, no Brian. But 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: the show must go on. As ethel Merman sings, there's 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: no business like show business. Okay, you got the idea. 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: So I'm coming to you today from my apartment, my closet, 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: to be exact, it's fun once in a while for 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: us to get out of the studio and be in 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: a more relaxed setting. In fact, I'm so relaxed. I'm 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: wearing my pajamas right now and my bedroom slippers. But 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: they're not very sexy. They're Brooks Brothers pajamas. I look 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: more like Lucy Ricardo than Maril and Monroe, So think 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: about that for a minute. Anyway, I just said goodbye 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: to our guest today, Well, my guests, since Brian's not here. 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Marie Condo. You probably have heard of Marie Condo. She's 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the queen of tidying and the creator of something called 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: the con Marie Method. Have you ever heard someone say 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: I just condoed my house. Well, they're talking about Marie Condo. 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: She in fact, has made condoing a verb. Her books, 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: including the runaway bestseller The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up, 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 1: have sold over eight million copies and She talks about 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: really learning how to weed things out of your life, 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to basically throw things away. I have a real problem 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: with this people, I don't know if you're like me. 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm a borderline hoarder. So this was very instructive for me. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: So I talked to her about why this is so emotional, 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: how she started her tiding empire. Have her two young 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: daughters two and one changed her it all is she 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: less of a neat nick because she now has kids. 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: I even let her loose in my closet. She's a 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: very brave woman. And one last note, we had a 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: wonderful Japanese interpreter Ico. She joined us for this episode, 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: So things are going to sound a bit different, a 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: little more global than usual. Here's how what will work. 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I'll ask a question, you'll hear Marie Condo answer in Japanese, 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: and then Ico will come in with the English translation. 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot of fun. Buckle up, everybody, 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: let's do this thing. First of all, Ken, that's about 37 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: the extent of my Japanese and erigato, which means thank you, 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Knishua means hello. Yes, all right, That's that's pretty much 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: it for my Japanese vocabulary. But welcome to my home, 40 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and it's so nice to meet you. But the way 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: to see this, they're very happy to be here. Thank you. Um. 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: You have had such a fascinating life. You're thirty two 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: years old, but your journey really began when you were 44 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: just five. I understand you became obsessed with tidiness when 45 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: you were that age. Do you remember that and do 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: you remember what motivated it? Tost So, my mother used 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to read a lifestyle magazine UM that came to us 48 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: all the time. We had a subscription, and I would 49 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: read it every time the new one would come, and 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: then I would try some of the housework tips and 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: try some of the storage UM things that I really 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: like to see how they worked. And your parents were 53 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: they neat and tidy or were they messy? So my 54 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: parents were quite average in that sense. They had a 55 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of things, and it looked at one glance as 56 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: if everything was very clean and tidy, but the moment 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: you opened something, the inside was a little bit more cletterer. 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: I feel that. So the sums um, what did they 59 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: make of your interest or propensity towards tidiness. Did they 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: applauded or did they ever say, Marie, please don't clean 61 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: up your room? So this name and what do she got? 62 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: So one time, I very into tidying up and cleaning, 63 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: and it's throwing things away. Um. This was around the 64 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: time I was in middle school, and so some suits 65 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: that my father really cherished or bags that my mother loved, 66 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: actually threw away. And then they got very angry at 67 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: me and told me not to tidy. I don't blame them. 68 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: I would have been upset too. Now that I reflect 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: on it, I really understand that I did something very mean. Um, 70 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: But in my perspective at the time, I felt like, oh, 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: they're not using these things. There's dust covered, They're never 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: going to use it. And I was really working off 73 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: my own perspective. You also started reading books on feng 74 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: shui and on neatness when you were eighteen years old. 75 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: You'd go to the library and study it. What kinds 76 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: of books would you read? So it was around the 77 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: time the fengue was becoming popular in Japan. So I 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: was able to find these things called mooks, which in 79 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Japanese is the in between of magazin means and books, 80 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: and so I was able to find these simple ones 81 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: that I could actually read. When you turned nineteen, people 82 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: started asking you to help them declutter, to help them, 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: I guess, organized their lives. The waiting list got to 84 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: be what six months long? What would you do for people? 85 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: And how did that happen? Do you look? So when 86 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I was in nineteen, I went to university and my 87 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: hobby then was to clean my friends places. And then 88 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: sounds fun, so fun for you, that's right, And so 89 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: rumors then spread through that between my friends and they're 90 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: saying that when Comari comes over, your house becomes really 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: clean and organized. And then since then strangers started to 92 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: email me through that, and then eventually it became my work. 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: That's so funny. How much did you charge? What you call? Um? So? 94 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: At first I was a student, so I didn't really 95 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: know how to price things at the time. UM, So 96 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: when I was doing my friends places, they would just 97 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: buy me lunch. But then eventually, UM, when when people 98 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: asked for the charge, I wouldn't say for five hours, uh, 99 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: five thousand yen, which is about fifty dollars. Wow, that's 100 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: a pretty good deal in the day. So you decided 101 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: to write a book because there was so much interest 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: in this before I ask you about your book, Marie. 103 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Were you surprised that so many people wanted your services, 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: especially college students? Um? So when I decided to write 105 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: a book was quite after I had already graduated from university. 106 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: How old were you when you wrote your proposal? No, 107 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: so I could the pupils out of thank you five 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: years old? So seven years ago. Yeah. And also the 109 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: time when my wait list became about six months was 110 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: maybe ten years after I started doing my job. Um. 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: But all my friends and family who had experienced my 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: journey has have all been very surprised about all of this. Um. 113 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Your book, The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up is 114 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: an international bestseller. How many copies have been sold? Marie? So, 115 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: it's been sold in forty one countries. Um, and we've 116 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: sold all together eight million, four hundred thousand. How do 117 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: you say wow in Japanese? Initial wow? Wow, that's amazing. Um. 118 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: I thought this was so interesting, Marie. It really took 119 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: off after the tsunami in Japan and what happened that 120 00:07:51,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: changed people's mindsets as a result of the tsunami. So, 121 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: in Japan, right after this all happened, the tsunami, and 122 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: everything was it was on TV every single day, and 123 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: that actually led to a lot of people really reconsidering 124 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: and thinking about what is important to them. Um, what 125 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: is it that it's in my life that's important? And 126 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: the first things that they may have thought about are 127 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: the things that surround them or the things that they 128 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: had owned. And I think that was something that led 129 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: to UM, people reading my book. I imagine though people 130 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: reconsidered material possessions and possibly thought some of them, we're 131 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: not as important as they might have believed. So this 132 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: designing it but UM, I think it's very true. UM, 133 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people really just spent their time looking 134 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: over their things one at a time, and when they 135 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: really took their times to think about each and everything, 136 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: I think they started to realize that before it may 137 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: have given them joy, but now that they look at 138 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: it now, it doesn't give them as much joy anymore. 139 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Connoree method if we could. UM. 140 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: I've heard of it and I'm excited to learn more 141 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: about it. But it's really, I guess, first and foremost 142 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: about decluttering and simplifying your life. Is that right? Um? 143 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: If anything, my method is really about really thinking about 144 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: what makes you happy. UM. And then to be able 145 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: to really treadure the things that are actually important to you. 146 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: So that entails everything, uh, books, clothing, kitchen udencils, bathroom products, etcetera. Yes, 147 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: so through this method, we look at every single thing 148 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that you own, and everything is supposed to bring you joy. Yes, 149 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: So it's really about figuring out how each and everything 150 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: really does give joy or not. Is that too limiting 151 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: my produce? Sergianna asked, if you know she has a 152 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: kitchen sponge, it doesn't necessarily bring her joy, but it's 153 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: really important to have around the house. So how do 154 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: you differentiate things that bring you joy and things that 155 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: are just simply necessary to live? Looking me, Um, So 156 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: that's actually a kind of question that I often get. 157 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: So one thing about this method is that I hope 158 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: that people discover and find, uh, even in the small 159 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: things that are very helpful to you, that actually the 160 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: fact that you have this thing that's helpful to you 161 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: is actually giving you some joy, and that you feel 162 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: gratitude towards even the smallest things. Tell her I'm never 163 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: going to look at my kitchen sponge the same way. Well, 164 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: not any me tonight. It's true. So people really start 165 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: to really love even the small things like sponges. Really, alright, Gianna, 166 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: let the record show you are loving your lunge. Um, 167 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: what if what if too many things bring joy to someone. 168 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: We're sitting in my closet. By the way, it's a 169 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: it's a serious walking closet. I mean, if I could 170 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: describe it for our listeners, it's really a bedroom that 171 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: was converted into a closet. I'm embarrassed to say, but 172 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: I have a lot of clothes, and for my job, 173 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: not as much now as before. It was necessary for 174 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: me to have a lot of clothes. And now look 175 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: at it, it's ridiculous. I have so many clothes. I 176 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: can't really find anything. Having said that, take me through 177 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: how I would declutter this closet. And I'm sorry that 178 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: was such a long question. I well cause I also 179 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: regarding clothes, first of all, it's you have to look 180 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: at all your clothes, um, So take them all out, 181 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: whether they're clothes they're affolded, or whether they're clothes are hanging, 182 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: bring them all into one place, and then bring them 183 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: over to somewhere else, so that you actually have to 184 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: take each piece of clothing each time and hold them, 185 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: and you hold it and you put it close to 186 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: your heart on the things give so UM. You definitely 187 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: hold your clothes UM and then feel whether you feel 188 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: these positive feelings or not UM, and then really feel 189 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: these physical sensations of whether you feel positive by holding 190 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: them UM. And that is something very fundamental in my 191 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: Calmari method. I'm sure a lot of our listeners like 192 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: me think, gosh, maybe this doesn't bring me joy now, 193 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: but maybe it'll bring me joy later when I lose 194 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: a few pounds or it comes back into style. So 195 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: just in case I want to hang on to this UM, 196 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: maybe I spent a fair amount of money on it, 197 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: or maybe it's something that I think I might wear 198 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: in the future. So I think people hold onto things 199 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: with those thoughts in mind. How do you how do 200 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: you get them to get out of that mind that 201 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: it almost There are actually two ways must So the 202 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: first method that I suggest is that when you go 203 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: through all your clothing, just start with the things that 204 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: are very apparent to you, so ones that you know 205 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: immediately don't spark joy in you, or the things that 206 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: maybe UM do you you know immediately that you want 207 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: to keep UM. And by starting to let go of 208 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: the things that are apparent to you that you don't 209 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: want to keep. Then you start to actually be able 210 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: to build the ability to recognize joy easier UM, and 211 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: then you'll be able to work through your grayer zones 212 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: as well the more still small oil UM. So regarding clothes, 213 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: when when you're thinking one day that I'm going to 214 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: wear this UM and it's it's really also important to 215 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: think about why I'm thinking these things. How did I 216 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: come to the idea of saying that I'm going to 217 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: wear this one day, and whether that's something that's more heavy, 218 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: for example, to be thinking, oh, I spent all this money, 219 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: therefore I'm going to wear it one day, and maybe 220 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: that's a more heavy sort of sensation as opposed to 221 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: maybe it gives you joy to say, oh, um, you 222 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: know this is going to encourage me to lose some weight, 223 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: and if that's a positive feeling UM. And so to 224 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: really understand these reasons and feel these sensations a positive 225 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: or negative or heavy UM, and to really kind of 226 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: taste almost the physical sensations that you feel when you 227 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: come to these ideas UM can be very helpful. One 228 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: of the sections in the book is seasonal Clothes Eliminate 229 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: the need to store off season clothes, and you advocate 230 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: pitching rather than storing. UM. So the reasoning behind is 231 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: is that UM, in working with my clients, I did 232 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: come across many cases where people did have UM, you know, 233 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: a summer clothes put away or winter close put away 234 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: depending on the season. UM. But by what I also 235 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: found that is that a lot of people miss the 236 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to actually flip their clothing over with the seasons. 237 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Because you're storing so much, they have no idea how 238 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: much they actually own, UM, and so UM they end 239 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: up buying something that they actually already have. I've done that, 240 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: so you have like UM, and so that leads to 241 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: not understanding what they in fact own and then because 242 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: of that, UM, not really seeing what's actually necessary for them. 243 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: So you don't make the switch. So you try to 244 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: have winter, spring, summer, and fall in your closet so 245 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: at once. UM. Yes, at least for myself and many 246 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: of my clients. UM, by the end of all the tidying, 247 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: we're able to see what we have for all seasons. 248 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: One exception possibly are things such as coats which are 249 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: which do take up a lot of a lot of space, 250 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: or boots they only wear in the winter, or on 251 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: the flip side, swimwear that you own me where in 252 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: the summer. These small things, they might actually do some 253 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: seasonal switching around, especially here in New York, because people 254 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: have very small closets. Um, this is unusual. Listeners, Please 255 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: don't hate me because I have a big closet at 256 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: by the way, but many people have very small spaces 257 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: to keep their things. You can do, ladies, they thought, 258 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,119 Speaker 1: I'm not a um. So, it's definitely just a suggestion 259 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: to really try and have everything in one place, all 260 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the clothes that you have in one place, and be 261 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: able to know. What's really important is that you are 262 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: able to know what you actually have at all times. 263 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 264 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: right back with the delightful Charmie Marie Condo and now 265 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: back to Marie Condo. There are a lot of books 266 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: out there, self help books about organizing your life. Why 267 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: do you think yours has resonated so much and sold 268 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: so many copies? What's different about your technique so that 269 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: won't let you? Um? So, I think it comes from 270 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: the fact that my book is not just about cleaning 271 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: your room, but rather it's about through the process of 272 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: tidying and organizing to face yourself and to understand yourself better. 273 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: What order do you need to declutter your life? You 274 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: start with clothes and then you move on to other items. 275 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: What is the order that you recommend so the in 276 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: my method, I recommend that people start with clothes, then books, 277 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: than documents, and then miscellaneous things, and then things that 278 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: give you memories, sentim and some things. Yeah, I am extremely, 279 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: extremely extremely sentimental, are you? It's all this new? What 280 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: does she so? I might be more of a more 281 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of brisk sort of personality rather than super sentimental 282 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: because of the work I do. You're lucky. You're lucky 283 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people have a hard 284 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: time parting with things that they feel represents their family 285 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: or memories are very special. My husband isn't sentimental at all, 286 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: but I'm super sentimental, so I have a hard time 287 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: parting with things. So I'm glad it's the fourth thing 288 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: on your list. I wanted to ask you the parallel 289 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: between a clean, tidy environment and your peace of mind 290 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: and what it does for you and your daily life, 291 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: and how you've seen it change your clients and people 292 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, and yourself really. So as regarding the effects 293 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: of a clean environment, I think it does have both 294 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: a physical and psychological effect, and it probably reduces stress. 295 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: Not feeling frantic looking for things and misplacing things and 296 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: trying to find an item of clothing probably makes you 297 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: less anxious. Yes, I agree. I think um, by being 298 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: able to move along smoother throughout your day really does 299 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: give you room to not have to worry about the 300 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: small things. Um, and definitely lessons the stress in your life. 301 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: You have many clients now, Um, how much do you charge? 302 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: And what have you found that your clients have in common? 303 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: I know everyone's different, but is there a common threat 304 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: among them? Um? So actually I have sort of stopped 305 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: right now to give private lessons or tidy. I'm more 306 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: focused on teaching my method and so for example, doing 307 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: these consulting to teach people how to actually do so 308 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: you have disciples now who go out and teach your 309 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: method to other people? Or do they have to be 310 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: certified or take a class? Yes, that's true. I actually, um, 311 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: we do give certifications and right now it's actually going on. 312 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: But when you did have clients, when you saw people, 313 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: was there a common threat among those clients, so all 314 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: this name. So, one thing that I found is that 315 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: not only did my clients really want to clean, but 316 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: they often have some other related problems in their lives 317 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: that they want to deal with and so and cleaning 318 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: is just a sort of way to grapple at these problems. 319 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: So it's a metaphor for something deeper that's troubling them. 320 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: They need some kind of freeing. I think that's exactly right. 321 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: Have you ever had hoarders or people who simply cannot 322 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: part with their possessions and you've suggested psychiatric help. So 323 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: this is designing. Um. I don't necessarily, um suggest psychological 324 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: help or do psychological things necessarily, but through the process 325 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: of tidying, many of my clients do notice in themselves 326 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: certain psychological things. UM. For example, I had a client 327 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: who said, oh, I have these tendencies because I have 328 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: certain resentments towards my mother. Or I had clients who 329 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: were saying that, oh, I'm keeping all these jobs. That's 330 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: and that's related to this fear that I have towards 331 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: my job. UM. So they do books books because I'm 332 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: feeling certain fear or uncertainty about my jobs. UM. And 333 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: so they often do come to certain psychological conclusions through that. 334 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: So in Away Marie's the therapists, do you meet the 335 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: attical talk those get on this give it's true? Um, 336 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: I do you know? What I'm actually doing is the 337 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: tidying and cleaning, But um, when we look at the results, 338 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm often doing something more psychological as well. What is 339 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: the strangest thing you've seen a client really attached to 340 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: that they couldn't let go, or any other strange experience 341 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you've had working with people. So one thing that comes 342 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: to mind is one of my clients was a collector 343 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: of masks from all over the world. Um, they had 344 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: ballroom masks, all these different kinds of masks, and when 345 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: you go into the room, it was quite a strange 346 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: environment because there were faces everywhere. So did they get 347 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: rid of them or keep them? Zimbo on the the 348 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: ones that just brought them joy? I still still think, 349 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: Um so yes. So she did go through every single 350 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: mask to figure out what they actually sparked joy in her. Um, 351 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: it ended up being quite a lot that remained that 352 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: did spark joy. But she was quite proud because she 353 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: could now confidently say, all of these mass leon are 354 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: things that spark Joy. Are your Japanese clients or were 355 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: your Japanese clients different than your American clients. So this 356 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: one thing I noticed. I think generally speaking, UM Japanese 357 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: and American clients tend to have sort of the similar 358 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: problems regarding tidying. But one thing I did notice is 359 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: that UM people Western people often have more sentimental attachment 360 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: towards their things UM, especially things that have a lot 361 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: of memory, maybe things that were passed on UM or inherited. 362 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: Our Japanese people in general a little less. Do they 363 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: accumulate less? Are they more minimalists in their kind of 364 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: design and possessions or is that just something that I 365 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: think it's like because a lot of people do wonder 366 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: that UM. But the thing is, I do think it's 367 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: maybe sort of a myth that's sort of created UM. 368 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: And actually there's really a lot of people who own 369 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things in Japan as well, so they 370 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: fall victim to clutter to No, It's true. We have 371 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: UM a listener voicemail that I thought we would play, 372 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: and then we have some Twitter questions as well. Hi, 373 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: I had a question for Marie Condo. I was wondering, 374 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: what's something in her home that is totally unnecessary, but 375 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: she keeps because it sparks her joy. Thanks. No antique. No, 376 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: So I have this pair of antique tongues. Um. That's 377 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: actually very difficult to use. Um, and I very very 378 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: rarely use it, but whenever I just look at it, 379 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: when I opened the drawers, it just gives me so 380 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: much joy. All right, good to know. Um, you have 381 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: two young daughters. How old are they? Imoca two years old? 382 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: And why you're Wow, that's wonderful, that's so fun. I 383 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: have two daughters too, and but there twenty six and 384 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: twenty one. Um, And I'm curious if your attitude has 385 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: become a bit more relaxed, because, let's face it, parenthood 386 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: can be very messy because kids can be very messy. So, um, 387 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: have you changed at all in terms of feeling that 388 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: you want to be super neat and tidy? Hi? Uh 389 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: so it's true. After birth, Um, I became very different 390 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: in my attitude. Um. I think before I gave birth, 391 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: I was always clean, Everything was tidy and organized. But 392 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: then I realized once I gave birth that it is 393 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: quite impossible, and so I gave up being a perfectionist. 394 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: Kids will do that to you, I think, and and 395 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: are you going to teach them? Do you think, uh, 396 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the importance of being tidy? Or you think you'll just 397 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: see if they naturally go that way? So this name. 398 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: So one thing that I do try to keep in 399 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: mind in front of my children is that I show 400 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: my children how happy I am when I'm cleaning. So 401 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: I actually really so cute right now. Marie's husband showed 402 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: me a picture of their little girl. Is she cleaning? Oh, 403 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: she's folding. She's folding her blanket. Oh my god, that's hilarious. 404 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: What's her name? That's key? So cute? And she's how old? 405 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: To your sold she's your two year old? So cute. 406 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: You're starting them young. That's good though, you know, I 407 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: think you know, I think that's great. I wish I 408 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: had done that with my daughter's My older daughter really 409 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: does try to fold and roll things now because she's 410 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: been seeing me just be happy folding. I'm just curious. 411 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Your closet probably looks quite different than this closet. How 412 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: many items of clothing do you have in your closet? 413 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: To nine disco? Um, So, I've actually never really counted 414 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: how many I've had I have, but I have a 415 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: closet this big, this wide, just a regular closet, and 416 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: that's where i'd fit all my clothes. But I mean 417 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: twenty items of close thirty So this this on to 418 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: maybe about forty. And you always wear white. Now it's 419 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: only when I'm at my job that I would wear white. Um. 420 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: On other days, I just wear any other colors. And 421 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: but you no longer wear pants because pants don't give 422 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: you joy jeans, So I have always been saying I 423 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: actually don't wear jeans or a long pants ever. Um. 424 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: But actually last year my husband actually recommend this and 425 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: suggested that maybe I try. I actually bought one pair 426 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: of jeans. I'm sure you look great in them. You're 427 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: teeny tiny. How tall are you and how much do 428 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: you weigh? I know that's a very personal question, but 429 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: I feel safe asking you. So I only know it 430 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: in centimeters. But I'm a hundred and forty seven centimeters, 431 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: which is I think fourfeit eight four ft eight yeah, 432 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: I think it is four ft eight yeah. Uh. And 433 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven kilograms, which is that's eighty one and 434 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: a half pounds. You. This is a pretty powerful lady 435 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: in a teeny body. Did you ever imagine that you 436 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: would make a whole career out of this, out of 437 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: helping people tidy up. Yeah, I never thought that this 438 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: would be something that I would be doing. Um As 439 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: a small child, I had idea that tidy and could 440 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: be so life changing for so many people, and even 441 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: today and here I am now and I'm still very surprised. 442 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: What happens when you throw something away and you regret 443 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: it and you miss it and you think, oh, I 444 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: wish I had that. That's actually something that everybody who 445 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: has tidied and done this kind of tiding does experience 446 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: this sort of regret of having let go of something 447 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: that they didn't want to actually let go of. But 448 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: that experience is actually quite important to actually learn what 449 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: that feels like and to feel that, oh, these are 450 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: some of the things that I shouldn't be letting go of, 451 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: something that's actually important to me. And of course, ideally 452 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: in your first try, you actually know immediately what you're 453 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: going to regret and where you're not going to regret. 454 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: But that's not always the case. But I want to 455 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I want people to see that kind of experience of 456 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: understanding regret and to put a positive spin on it. 457 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: And understand that, Oh, now I've learned some thing through 458 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: this process of tidying, and now when I look to 459 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: do it again, I'll maybe understand better what brings me 460 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: joy and what I'm able to part with some of 461 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: this some more. And I've also noticed that people who 462 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: have actually gone through this process of tidying and organizing 463 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: often might feel the certain regret, But um, don't actually 464 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: feel that at a very deep sense or a depressing way. Um, 465 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: once you've actually gone through the process of tidying, that's 466 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: sort of a change in feelings that you received through 467 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: the process, sort of a fleeting moment, but not a 468 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: depressing moment. Did you ever worry growing up that you're 469 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: desire to be neat and tidy was less of a 470 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: passion and more of a obsession or compulsion, not to 471 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: psychoanalyze you or anything more. Oh, this is um sure. Actually, 472 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: when I was a student, I think I was quite 473 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: obsessed with tidying. Um. I've always felt that I must 474 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: throw things away, or I must organize, I must tidy. 475 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: But when it actually became my job and I started 476 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: to work with clients and actually start to see the 477 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: positive effects that my tidying has created with my clients. Um, 478 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: that's when I suddenly realized that, oh wait, actually this 479 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: has become my passion and this is like a passionate 480 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: thing for me. So you don't worry about it anymore. 481 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: Because your college thesis was how to declutter your apartment 482 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: from a sociological perspective. Yes, I did write about tidying 483 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: up in my college thesis. So you still love doing 484 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: this and talking about it and sharing what you do 485 00:31:49,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: with others. Yes, I'm actually even surprised by how passionate 486 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: I get when I speak about tidying even today. A 487 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: huge thank you as always to my production team for 488 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: taking the show on the road today, Gianna Palmer, our producer, 489 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: Jared O'Connell, our audio engineer who's just getting over a 490 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: bad cold, So an extra thank you to Jared. Please 491 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: don't touch anything in my apartment, Jared and Nora Richie, 492 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: our production assistant. As well, thanks to our social media 493 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: whiz kid I can call you a kid, Alexon Bresnik, 494 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: and to the inimitable Emily Beena over at Katie Kirk Media. 495 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: Also a very special thanks to our interpreter for this episode, 496 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: Iko Massubucci. We could not have done this without you. Iko. Also, 497 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: our friends over at Architectural Digests actually made a video 498 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: of this whole process, as Marie taught me how to 499 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: part with things that I've had way too long. The 500 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: video will be out by the time you hear this, 501 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: and I'll link to it on social media so you 502 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: can all see it and hopefully learn something. Brian gold 503 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: Smith and I are the show's executive producers. Mark Phillips 504 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: wrote our theme music. And people please stay in touch. 505 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Email us at comments at currec podcast dot com. Leave 506 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: a voicemail at nine to nine to two, four, four, six, 507 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: three seven. Tell us the episodes you've enjoyed. Tell us 508 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: who you'd like to hear from. We're always looking for 509 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: great guests. Johann I thought Danny Meyer would be a 510 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: really fun guest anyway. Jeanne is sitting on the floor 511 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: of my closet right now. I'm on Twitter, Instagram and 512 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: Facebook under Katie Curic, and I'm Katie dot Kuric on 513 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: Snapchat because I'm so like the kids. Thanks so much 514 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: for listening. We'll talk to you next time.