WEBVTT - Feat Dr Umar Johnson - Dr. Umar Johnson in His Most INTENSE Interview Ever | Its Up There Podcast 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.279 If you ever want to know why the more money 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:06.080 Africa get, the worse off Africa is, is because the 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.680 interest on the loan, you can't pay it back in 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:13.119 a million years. It's too deep the paypack. So basically, 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:19.360 you're not purchasing alone, you're purchasing Slavery of the African 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.480 is the first slavery where the victim was stripped of 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.840 their humanity. See people always say, why y'all keep talking 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.600 about slavery. Everybody been slaves. You ain't the first slaves. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.080 In fact, the word slave comes from slav which describes 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.280 one of the first European groups to be enslaved in Europe. 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Peace and Love, Black Man, thanks for 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.920 having me on the show on the podcast, Peace and 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.920 Love to the entire Black Tennessee and especially to black Nashville. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.360 Glad to be back. That's a fact. I appreciate that. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.600 Now tell me you know, first, of course, we want 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.320 to chop it up about a lot of different things. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.200 I want to ask you first, what brings you to Nashville. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.520 This is my second visit to Nashville. First visit was 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:03.080 twenty fourteen or fifteen fifty University Jam packed, sold out 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:08.040 fist University Gymnasium, was just overwhelming. I did not know 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.200 that I had that type of love in Nashville or 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.400 the state of Tennessee. So this is my first visit 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.560 since then, only my second, and I'm here to celebrate 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.400 the fourth annual Soul Day, Nashville Sol Day, which will 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.679 be at East Park tomorrow twelve to five, and I'll 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.400 be speaking food, fun, family. You know how the outdoor 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.080 events go. And I loved outdoor events because you can 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.840 get some of that sun, get some of that energy 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.080 is you know, you don't have to be all pent 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.880 up in the inside. But thanks to the host of 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.880 the Soul Day, they brought me on down. So I'm 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.560 glad to be back. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.920 Facts facts, facts, and we welcome you. Like I said, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.600 it's a lot of love in Nashville for you, like 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.520 from the YouTube views to people just knowing who you are, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.000 just respecting what you stand on or on the contrary, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.640 but either way, it's a lot of people that knows 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.600 who Ma Johnson is. And I'll welcome you. Anything you 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.120 need again while you're here, I'm assistance. So if you've 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.040 got anything, thank you, like reach out to me. And 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.280 that's a fact. I'll help in any way I can. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.920 And so what's on the agenda for you? What's on 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:11.520 your mind? 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.040 You know, I want to ask you that. Well, right now, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.719 probably the biggest project's working on is the Frederick Douglas 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.880 Marcus Garvey Academy. We purchased two buildings in Wilmington, Delaware 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.839 this past February. As you know, we have been raising 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.840 money for four years, almost five years, so we were 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.279 blessed the most high blessed us. We were lucky enough 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.360 to not only get one building, but two of them 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.320 in Wilmington, Delaware in the Black side of the city. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.560 So right now we're just trying to raise a million 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.760 dollars to restore those buildings. We actually have a campus, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.680 two schools, and then plus two other buildings. So if 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.160 we can raise a million, we can do the whole campus. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.839 If we can get half a million, we can do 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.960 two of the four buildings. And if we can only 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.240 get a quarter million, we can referbish at least a 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.440 small school building, which will allow us to get started 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.720 until we raise enough money to take care of that 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:00.480 big building. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.080 So what takes priority. Let's say, if you do get 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.240 the quarter mean, do you know where you want to start? 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.719 The small building and we renamed that the Honorable Marcus 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.880 Garvey Building and the large school building which is the 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.159 mecca that like, once we get that one up and done, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.960 that'll be the one stop shop for the whole community. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.680 And we're calling that the Honorable Frederick Douglas Building. So 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.200 my thinking is my logic, get the Garvey Building done, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.920 you can get started with your second, third, fourth grade academy. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.120 That give you a couple of years to show and 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.840 prove to the community that you're not playing. Then you 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.600 get the money for the Frederick Douglas building, and now 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:35.880 you got your whole k to twelve. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.600 So when you were coming up with the school. It 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.960 was a very very long journey. That was a lot 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.200 of things happening. You also spoke about the Mary and 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.080 was it the woman's side kind of the woman's. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.120 School, the Anna Douglas Amy Garvey Academy. I got your 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.679 adag Yes, yes, the beauty of the Wilmington campus. Because 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.080 we have two schools, we may be able to introduce 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.520 the female academy sooner than originally playing because I only 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.360 thought we would get one building. We have two buildings. Yes, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.800 so I believe that we'll probably be bringing the young 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.400 women in sooner than originally scheduled. But I don't want 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.560 to say win because if I say win, and they're 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.320 gonna hold me to it. So all I'm gonna say 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.680 is I anticipate having the girls at the school within 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.800 two to three years. Oh for sure. We can't lead 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.680 the girls out. We can't lead it. I have two 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.640 daughters myself. We can't lead the girls out. But the 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.640 reason I start with the boys because everywhere I go, 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.520 and I know they're gonna ask me tomorrow, why are 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.000 you only talking about the boys. The way I see it, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.400 taking care of black boys is also taking care of 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.240 black girls because the number one challenge of the black 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.760 woman is what finding a suitable mate who can protect 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.080 and provide. So if we're building black men from the 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.360 ground up who have the ability to protect and provide 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.240 for their queen, are we not taking care of the 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.839 women as we take care of the men, right? 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.880 Because you're putting a mate there, you're putting them in solid. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.880 You're putting the mate they're that's solid. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.560 And so when you started this school thing, and like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:25.280 I said, the journey you went on, do you what 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.320 steps is it for you to get the school recognized 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.880 in regards to like the state. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:34.200 Yes, it depends on the state. Good question. Remember, the 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.000 United States Constitution does not afford anyone the opportunity to 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.120 get an education. The word education is not even in 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.640 your constitution. The United States Department of Education was founded 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.800 in the nineteen eighties, so it's only been around forty years. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:57.160 So education, as much as the propaganda would suggest, is 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.320 not a priority of the United States government. In fact, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.400 there's a movement to eliminate the United States Department of 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.120 Education because there's a lot of white folks who say, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:12.680 why am I paying taxes for a service? My constitution 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.880 does not obligate me to pay. And on top of that, 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.160 more than half of all white folks either do not 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:26.200 have children, do not have school age children anymore, or 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.840 send their school aged children to private. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.760 School, so they don't need the government. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.199 They don't need the exactly. So their question again is 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.680 why do I have to pay taxes for not only 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.920 something my constitution does not require, but something that me 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.000 myself do not need. You see, so in your lifetime 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.680 you may see where there's no longer a United States 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.640 Department of Education. Getting back to the question, every state 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.880 is different. Let me compare two for you, Delaware in Pennsylvania, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.200 I live in one, the school is in the other. Right. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.160 In Pennsylvania, because it is a common wealth and one 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.679 of the oldest education states in America, they have a 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:16.000 very intense, bureaucratic private school process. Pennsylvania needs to approve 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.640 your private school curriculum before they approved the school, Before 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.199 they proved the school. They want to see what you're 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:27.560 teaching right right, Delaware, you still have oversight, you still 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.760 have to be accountable, you still have to register, but 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.800 it's not as intense, which is a blessing for us. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.160 Why because our curriculum isn't something that they're going to 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.840 be looking to approve, So we need that freedom, which 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.000 is why I would say I believe it was divine 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.800 intervention at the school ended up in Delaware and not Philadelphia. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.120 That's what I was going to ask, because did you 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.480 think about that, because it was a lot of schools 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.480 you had in your scope. Hey, we got one. I 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.839 just found one, Like we need to get down in 0:09:58.840 --> 0:09:59.320 and get it. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:00.080 Let's get it. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.080 And it's like that school's gone. Did you think about 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.280 that when you were doing that or did I did? 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.080 It? Did just happen, But I did think about that 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:14.120 as well, because there's a school in my neighborhood North Philadelphia. Okay, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.720 I'm from the same neighborhood as Jill Scott, Bill Cosby 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.360 meek Mill lived right across the street of friends with 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.440 my younger brother. I don't know him personally, but I 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:28.640 remember him. Okay, same block eighteenth and Burks. I wanted 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.320 to get a school in that neighborhood, Catholic school for sale, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:38.520 but the realtor practiced real estate racism on me, lied 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.480 and told me that the school was not available to 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.520 be sold yet. I found out later that he lied 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.560 right I didn't press the issue because in him lyon 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.240 that bought me time to come and learn that the 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.720 school that I originally wanted, the Delaware School, was now 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.400 want to be offered to me with the moneies that 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.160 we had. In other words, if the realtor in Philly 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.640 didn't play the race card and try to keep me 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.440 from getting that squad would have bought it right, which 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.000 means we would have it. That would need to have 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.079 been restored as well. But on top of restoring the school, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.840 you now got to play politics with the Pennsylvania Department 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.920 of Education. So when you look at the divine intervention, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.200 the ancestors said, uh uh, because that state already got 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.760 you and broad and everything, they definitely ain't gonna try 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.240 to give you the approve of to do your school 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.880 because not to cut you off. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.960 Why you were doing that, I did see that they drilled. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:47.559 Pennsylvania State Board of Education charged me with presenting myself 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.480 as a licensed psychologist without a license. Right, I've never 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.880 claimed to be a licensed psychologist because I never pursued 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.040 the license. In other words, I'm not somebody who took 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.680 the tests and failed it. I never went for exactly 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:07.280 because I'm a certified school psychologist. Right, you have school psychology, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.560 which is the special ed umbrella, and then you got 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.600 clinical psychology, which is everything else your mental illness. My 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.319 doctorate is clinical, but I'm certified in school and because 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.160 I'm both sides, and with the amount of work that 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.719 I have as a certified school psychologist, this really don't 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:24.960 need for me to get a license. What am I 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.240 going to do with it? Right? Right right right in Pennsylvania, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.560 a certified school psychologist can practice privately. This is the law. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.080 So what am I in here for? And guess what 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.160 they said? Because you went on the breakfast club. That's 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:42.000 what I said. This was the evidence said breakfast class. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.600 I see that? Are you serious? He played the breakfast club? 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.560 Were in the corner law and you pulling up in me? 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:56.320 You see you said that you practiced privately. I'm legally 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.560 allowed to. I'm twenty years in. Read your own statue. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.480 It says right there, a certified school psychologist can practice privately. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.520 What are you talking about? They had no case? Do 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.720 you think some of that was to stop your momentum? 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:14.320 Without question? But I can exclusively credit white supremacy, but 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.280 that I got to credit the coons in the community too, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.840 got them because a lot of them were calling them 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.840 making complaints against me. People who disagree with my position 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.640 on the LBGT movement, people who disagree with my position 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:32.679 on multiculturalism, people who disagree with my position on interracial dating. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.080 It was that animosity that led to a crusade to 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.640 try to get the state to clamp down on me. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.479 And you know, I was because we've seen with Facebook, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:49.480 Google things like that, how they Instagram social media in itself, 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.400 how they kind of shadow band people and do certain things. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.719 Right when that was happening, there was a flip on 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.800 YouTube in regards to you. When you google Umar Johnson. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:07.920 Prior to there were videos of you just speaking like you. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.360 Do every day. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.960 After that, there was like a surge of doctor Umar 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:18.920 Johnson exposed. Doctor Umar Johnson said. This Boyce Watkins was 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.640 up there. He was saying stuff. And when you looked 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.040 at what Boyce Watkins was saying, it was almost like 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.120 a game. These guys are playing a weird Oh yes, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.800 oh yeah, he says, Well, I didn't say anything this 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.640 girl said, and yeah she's a black woman. They it's 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.040 a crazy thing. So with that switch, I just. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:37.640 Thought about it. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.160 I'm like I wonder, what's this kind of stop the momentum, because. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.760 Oh, without question, yeah, without question. Here three things to 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:53.480 your point. Number one, My work suffers to a degree because, 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.680 unlike the black power movement of the sixties, there's not 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:03.520 a lot of other serious national and international organizers who 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.480 can help distract the power structure from following my every 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.920 move See King had Malcolm, Malcolm had Mega, MegaR had Stokely, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.440 Stokely had core Cord had Snick. Snick had the Southern 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.040 Christian Leadership Conference. They had the Freedom Riters, the Freedom Riders, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.800 had the Cities, the Citis, had the HBCU protests. In 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.840 other words, even though j Ego Hoover was all over 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.440 each of their backs, he had to worry about ten 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:33.840 other legitimate movements. We don't have that now, unfortunately or fortunately, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.000 depending on how you look at it. As a result 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:41.200 of the police genocide campaign that was reignited under the 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:47.360 administration of Barack Hussein Obama. That campaign exposed the traditional 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:58.040 civil rights leadership cartel Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP, Congressional Black It 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.280 exposed them as being in a because they couldn't give 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.240 our youth an answer to police genocide. So when Sharpton 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.840 went down to Charleston, South Carolina and tried to organize 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.440 the community there to be quiet and let the police 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:17.480 do their investigation, he was disinvited. He was also disinvited, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:22.320 I believe, from Baltimore Jackson disinvited. So for the first 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:27.080 time in our life, we saw major civil rights leaders 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:33.920 be disinvited by the community. That opened up a vacuum 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.680 where now, for the first time in our history in America, 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.640 this may be the first time in four hundred years, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.880 you do not have an identified black leader that the 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.600 youth can respect. And I believe that was part of 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:52.000 the assault on my political character because they said I 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.360 was coming kill it. Because one thing we know about 0:16:55.440 --> 0:17:00.480 military science, before you exterminate the body, you exterminate the reputation. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.840 If you can kill the reputation of the black man, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.840 you may not even have to kill the black man, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.640 because it's people are doing for you exactly. So what 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.960 you see happening to doctor Umar right now is the 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.440 assassination of my political reputation as a means of doing 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:20.000 what destabilizing and killing the momentum and the message. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.159 And because the message, whether or not people agree with it, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.879 in this entirety. There's there's some meat in this message, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:32.119 for like, but if you don't understand it, that's that's cool. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.800 But the logic in it and a lot of places 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.600 is there you can look at it. It makes total sense. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.520 And some people, like I said, when I seen, I said, dude, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.320 and to see the tyreg the sheets, especially with you, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:50.919 I watched colors because of you. I'm not nobody that Like, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.080 I'm not saying it because you're hear saying that, because 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.280 that's the truth. And so even when that happened, I'm 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.080 like this infighting, Like we're gonna right back to infighting 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.159 in a time where we don't have that recognizable face 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.520 like who is it? Who is it? And when you, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.359 like I said, you were coming, and man, when you 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.640 were coming, you were coming with force. When you when 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.280 you like your conversations now that were just filled with 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:16.960 ship and it. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.760 Was boom bam bam bam bam. They cannot it was 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.160 nothing they can do with exactly. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.560 And so when I see that and I say, okay, boys, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.520 Walker's he did the same thing. The Farakhan too. He said, hey, 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.920 this person said something I didn't say it. It's all good. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.680 I don't really understand it that you two don't pay 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.760 that well, you know, for guys to do all of that. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:43.480 Low key hating, soft you know, very sophisticated, careful with it. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.600 But what you're doing is introducing a whole bunch of 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.800 negative doubts in the people's minds the previously didn't have 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:51.320 those doubts. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.400 And then what and like you said, and what happens 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.080 is when you start to do that, somebody goes hmm, 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.959 and they don't ever hear you respond to. That's why 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.879 it's important for this kind of because what will happen 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.760 is when they do that and then you do this, 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:09.639 it's a response to that. 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.520 But with you doing the real work, you don't have 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.520 the same time there exactly. And that's the thing because 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.360 for a lot of them, they do nothing but sit 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.400 on YouTube and not to blow my horn, because there's 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.440 other activists out there on the community level, yourself and others, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:30.480 but on that national international black conscious level, there's few 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.080 who do the work the way that I do it. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.040 So even with the criticism that came from us taking 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.920 so long to get a school, which you're in real estate, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.359 you know, it takes a while to get property, especially 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.200 when it's expensive, especially when you're dealing with commercial you see. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.840 So I'm out there grinding to try to get this school. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.680 They living off of YouTube money. You follow and people 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.680 not putting two to together and say, well, wait a minute, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.600 if they got time to make a video a day, 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.359 what are they actually doing for the people. I don't 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.520 have a YouTube channel. People don't know this because there's 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.040 a lot of channels that are misrepresenting themselves as mine 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.720 money because of money. There's a King Consciousness channel. I 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.920 don't know who owned that. There's a Prince of Pan 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.280 Africanism channel. I don't know who owned that. So people 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.640 think I thought that's your channel because it's all your videos. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.080 It's not mine. And I wouldn't even have a problem 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.639 with them having it if they made a donation to 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.520 the school. Sometimes you've got people who've been plugging my 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.639 info never made a donation to the school. That's what 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.880 bothers me. But see what a lot of see here's 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.359 the other issue, and this has been a historic problem 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.560 with black leadership. You can go back to the days 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.840 of Frederick Douglas, Martin Delaney, you go back to the 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.960 days of Malcolm and Martin. You could go back to 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.680 the days of almost anyone you want to bring up, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.600 that ego of the Negro has always divided our people. 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.800 The ego of the Negro has always divided our people. However, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.200 where Douglas and Delaney they were still able to coexist. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.080 Where Malcolm and Martin on the eve of Malcolm's assassination 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.520 through read at Scott Rest in Peace, Malcolm had agreed 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.120 to your unite forces with King the Lady united forces 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.920 with Douglas at times. You see. So even though they 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.919 differed politically, they were able to come together. You know 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.119 why that is because the intentions were sincere. See. I 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.639 always tell people I'm a Pan Africanist. I'll never be 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.200 a Hebrew. I'm not interested. I'll never be in a 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.240 nation of Islam. I'm not interested. I'll never be Anwapian. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.640 I'm not interested. I'll never be a god on Earth. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.160 I'm not interested. But I respect all of those movements 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.200 because they have all contributed to our people and where 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.280 we are today. I have friends and supporters in those movements, 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.160 and I support those movements. But guess what, I could 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.800 work with any of them if the intentions are sincere. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.000 So although I am a Pan africanist. If I think 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.240 you are insincere, even if we are ideologically homogeneous, I 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.639 won't work with you because you're a hustler. On the 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.040 flip side, you could be a Bible tot and white 0:21:56.160 --> 0:22:00.240 Jesus worshiping Christian. But if I believe you really trying 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.960 to make a difference for black folks, I will unite 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.320 with you. At the end of the day, it's not 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.159 the ideology that matters the most. It's the purity of 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.080 your heart and your intentions. And a lot of people 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.880 in today's conscious movement the YouTube voices not to throw 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.200 nobody under the bus. Brother, I couldn't give you three Yeah, 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.080 me neither. I couldn't give you three who I would say, 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.720 he sincerely cares about his people, and even if you 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.760 didn't make a dollar, he would still do this work. 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.000 I can't give you. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.720 Three and for me and for me being on the 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.120 wrap side, because I know the youth is what the 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.159 most important thing is and as an artist myself, I 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:39.960 can't give you three that I would want to sit 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.920 down with because again, at the end of the day, 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.879 I understand it's a lot of clickbait. It's just a 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.480 lot of bullshit. You know, it's just a lot of 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.200 your dudes are doing things that I can't understand from 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.959