Speaker 1: If you ever want to know why the more money
Speaker 1: Africa get, the worse off Africa is, is because the
Speaker 1: interest on the loan, you can't pay it back in
Speaker 1: a million years. It's too deep the paypack. So basically,
Speaker 1: you're not purchasing alone, you're purchasing Slavery of the African
Speaker 1: is the first slavery where the victim was stripped of
Speaker 1: their humanity. See people always say, why y'all keep talking
Speaker 1: about slavery. Everybody been slaves. You ain't the first slaves.
Speaker 1: In fact, the word slave comes from slav which describes
Speaker 1: one of the first European groups to be enslaved in Europe. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's true. We're not the first, but we're the only
Speaker 1: ones ever, including biblical slavery, to be stripped of your humanity.
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Bill was not passed so you can live
Speaker 1: with white folks and date white folks and go to
Speaker 1: their hotels. You know why, I was passed so that
Speaker 1: they could benefit from the black dives. That matters the most.
Speaker 1: It's the purity of your heart and your intentions, and
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Speaker 2: They We do have very very special guests in the building.
Speaker 2: We got a guy that I really really really couldn't
Speaker 2: wait to speak to, is one of the most polarizing
Speaker 2: figures in our culture. We got doctor Umar Johnson in
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 1: How's it going. Peace and Love, Black Man, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me on the show on the podcast, Peace and
Speaker 1: Love to the entire Black Tennessee and especially to black Nashville.
Speaker 1: Glad to be back. That's a fact. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Now tell me you know, first, of course, we want
Speaker 2: to chop it up about a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you first, what brings you to Nashville.
Speaker 1: This is my second visit to Nashville. First visit was
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen or fifteen fifty University Jam packed, sold out
Speaker 1: fist University Gymnasium, was just overwhelming. I did not know
Speaker 1: that I had that type of love in Nashville or
Speaker 1: the state of Tennessee. So this is my first visit
Speaker 1: since then, only my second, and I'm here to celebrate
Speaker 1: the fourth annual Soul Day, Nashville Sol Day, which will
Speaker 1: be at East Park tomorrow twelve to five, and I'll
Speaker 1: be speaking food, fun, family. You know how the outdoor
Speaker 1: events go. And I loved outdoor events because you can
Speaker 1: get some of that sun, get some of that energy
Speaker 1: is you know, you don't have to be all pent
Speaker 1: up in the inside. But thanks to the host of
Speaker 1: the Soul Day, they brought me on down. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad to be back.
Speaker 2: Facts facts, facts, and we welcome you. Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of love in Nashville for you, like
Speaker 2: from the YouTube views to people just knowing who you are,
Speaker 2: just respecting what you stand on or on the contrary,
Speaker 2: but either way, it's a lot of people that knows
Speaker 2: who Ma Johnson is. And I'll welcome you. Anything you
Speaker 2: need again while you're here, I'm assistance. So if you've
Speaker 2: got anything, thank you, like reach out to me. And
Speaker 2: that's a fact. I'll help in any way I can.
Speaker 2: And so what's on the agenda for you? What's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask you that. Well, right now,
Speaker 1: probably the biggest project's working on is the Frederick Douglas
Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey Academy. We purchased two buildings in Wilmington, Delaware
Speaker 1: this past February. As you know, we have been raising
Speaker 1: money for four years, almost five years, so we were
Speaker 1: blessed the most high blessed us. We were lucky enough
Speaker 1: to not only get one building, but two of them
Speaker 1: in Wilmington, Delaware in the Black side of the city.
Speaker 1: So right now we're just trying to raise a million
Speaker 1: dollars to restore those buildings. We actually have a campus,
Speaker 1: two schools, and then plus two other buildings. So if
Speaker 1: we can raise a million, we can do the whole campus.
Speaker 1: If we can get half a million, we can do
Speaker 1: two of the four buildings. And if we can only
Speaker 1: get a quarter million, we can referbish at least a
Speaker 1: small school building, which will allow us to get started
Speaker 1: until we raise enough money to take care of that
Speaker 1: big building.
Speaker 2: So what takes priority. Let's say, if you do get
Speaker 2: the quarter mean, do you know where you want to start?
Speaker 1: The small building and we renamed that the Honorable Marcus
Speaker 1: Garvey Building and the large school building which is the
Speaker 1: mecca that like, once we get that one up and done,
Speaker 1: that'll be the one stop shop for the whole community.
Speaker 1: And we're calling that the Honorable Frederick Douglas Building. So
Speaker 1: my thinking is my logic, get the Garvey Building done,
Speaker 1: you can get started with your second, third, fourth grade academy.
Speaker 1: That give you a couple of years to show and
Speaker 1: prove to the community that you're not playing. Then you
Speaker 1: get the money for the Frederick Douglas building, and now
Speaker 1: you got your whole k to twelve.
Speaker 2: So when you were coming up with the school. It
Speaker 2: was a very very long journey. That was a lot
Speaker 2: of things happening. You also spoke about the Mary and
Speaker 2: was it the woman's side kind of the woman's.
Speaker 1: School, the Anna Douglas Amy Garvey Academy. I got your
Speaker 1: adag Yes, yes, the beauty of the Wilmington campus. Because
Speaker 1: we have two schools, we may be able to introduce
Speaker 1: the female academy sooner than originally playing because I only
Speaker 1: thought we would get one building. We have two buildings. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I believe that we'll probably be bringing the young
Speaker 1: women in sooner than originally scheduled. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to say win because if I say win, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna hold me to it. So all I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: is I anticipate having the girls at the school within
Speaker 1: two to three years. Oh for sure. We can't lead
Speaker 1: the girls out. We can't lead it. I have two
Speaker 1: daughters myself. We can't lead the girls out. But the
Speaker 1: reason I start with the boys because everywhere I go,
Speaker 1: and I know they're gonna ask me tomorrow, why are
Speaker 1: you only talking about the boys. The way I see it,
Speaker 1: taking care of black boys is also taking care of
Speaker 1: black girls because the number one challenge of the black
Speaker 1: woman is what finding a suitable mate who can protect
Speaker 1: and provide. So if we're building black men from the
Speaker 1: ground up who have the ability to protect and provide
Speaker 1: for their queen, are we not taking care of the
Speaker 1: women as we take care of the men, right?
Speaker 2: Because you're putting a mate there, you're putting them in solid.
Speaker 1: You're putting the mate they're that's solid. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And so when you started this school thing, and like
Speaker 2: I said, the journey you went on, do you what
Speaker 2: steps is it for you to get the school recognized
Speaker 2: in regards to like the state.
Speaker 1: Yes, it depends on the state. Good question. Remember, the
Speaker 1: United States Constitution does not afford anyone the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get an education. The word education is not even in
Speaker 1: your constitution. The United States Department of Education was founded
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, so it's only been around forty years.
Speaker 1: So education, as much as the propaganda would suggest, is
Speaker 1: not a priority of the United States government. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's a movement to eliminate the United States Department of
Speaker 1: Education because there's a lot of white folks who say,
Speaker 1: why am I paying taxes for a service? My constitution
Speaker 1: does not obligate me to pay. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: more than half of all white folks either do not
Speaker 1: have children, do not have school age children anymore, or
Speaker 1: send their school aged children to private.
Speaker 2: School, so they don't need the government.
Speaker 1: They don't need the exactly. So their question again is
Speaker 1: why do I have to pay taxes for not only
Speaker 1: something my constitution does not require, but something that me
Speaker 1: myself do not need. You see, so in your lifetime
Speaker 1: you may see where there's no longer a United States
Speaker 1: Department of Education. Getting back to the question, every state
Speaker 1: is different. Let me compare two for you, Delaware in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: I live in one, the school is in the other. Right.
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, because it is a common wealth and one
Speaker 1: of the oldest education states in America, they have a
Speaker 1: very intense, bureaucratic private school process. Pennsylvania needs to approve
Speaker 1: your private school curriculum before they approved the school, Before
Speaker 1: they proved the school. They want to see what you're
Speaker 1: teaching right right, Delaware, you still have oversight, you still
Speaker 1: have to be accountable, you still have to register, but
Speaker 1: it's not as intense, which is a blessing for us.
Speaker 1: Why because our curriculum isn't something that they're going to
Speaker 1: be looking to approve, So we need that freedom, which
Speaker 1: is why I would say I believe it was divine
Speaker 1: intervention at the school ended up in Delaware and not Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask, because did you
Speaker 2: think about that, because it was a lot of schools
Speaker 2: you had in your scope. Hey, we got one. I
Speaker 2: just found one, Like we need to get down in
Speaker 2: and get it.
Speaker 1: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: And it's like that school's gone. Did you think about
Speaker 2: that when you were doing that or did I did?
Speaker 1: It? Did just happen, But I did think about that
Speaker 1: as well, because there's a school in my neighborhood North Philadelphia. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm from the same neighborhood as Jill Scott, Bill Cosby
Speaker 1: meek Mill lived right across the street of friends with
Speaker 1: my younger brother. I don't know him personally, but I
Speaker 1: remember him. Okay, same block eighteenth and Burks. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get a school in that neighborhood, Catholic school for sale,
Speaker 1: but the realtor practiced real estate racism on me, lied
Speaker 1: and told me that the school was not available to
Speaker 1: be sold yet. I found out later that he lied
Speaker 1: right I didn't press the issue because in him lyon
Speaker 1: that bought me time to come and learn that the
Speaker 1: school that I originally wanted, the Delaware School, was now
Speaker 1: want to be offered to me with the moneies that
Speaker 1: we had. In other words, if the realtor in Philly
Speaker 1: didn't play the race card and try to keep me
Speaker 1: from getting that squad would have bought it right, which
Speaker 1: means we would have it. That would need to have
Speaker 1: been restored as well. But on top of restoring the school,
Speaker 1: you now got to play politics with the Pennsylvania Department
Speaker 1: of Education. So when you look at the divine intervention,
Speaker 1: the ancestors said, uh uh, because that state already got
Speaker 1: you and broad and everything, they definitely ain't gonna try
Speaker 1: to give you the approve of to do your school
Speaker 1: because not to cut you off.
Speaker 2: Why you were doing that, I did see that they drilled.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Board of Education charged me with presenting myself
Speaker 1: as a licensed psychologist without a license. Right, I've never
Speaker 1: claimed to be a licensed psychologist because I never pursued
Speaker 1: the license. In other words, I'm not somebody who took
Speaker 1: the tests and failed it. I never went for exactly
Speaker 1: because I'm a certified school psychologist. Right, you have school psychology,
Speaker 1: which is the special ed umbrella, and then you got
Speaker 1: clinical psychology, which is everything else your mental illness. My
Speaker 1: doctorate is clinical, but I'm certified in school and because
Speaker 1: I'm both sides, and with the amount of work that
Speaker 1: I have as a certified school psychologist, this really don't
Speaker 1: need for me to get a license. What am I
Speaker 1: going to do with it? Right? Right right right in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: a certified school psychologist can practice privately. This is the law.
Speaker 1: So what am I in here for? And guess what
Speaker 1: they said? Because you went on the breakfast club. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. This was the evidence said breakfast class.
Speaker 1: I see that? Are you serious? He played the breakfast club?
Speaker 1: Were in the corner law and you pulling up in me?
Speaker 1: You see you said that you practiced privately. I'm legally
Speaker 1: allowed to. I'm twenty years in. Read your own statue.
Speaker 1: It says right there, a certified school psychologist can practice privately.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? They had no case? Do
Speaker 1: you think some of that was to stop your momentum?
Speaker 1: Without question? But I can exclusively credit white supremacy, but
Speaker 1: that I got to credit the coons in the community too,
Speaker 1: got them because a lot of them were calling them
Speaker 1: making complaints against me. People who disagree with my position
Speaker 1: on the LBGT movement, people who disagree with my position
Speaker 1: on multiculturalism, people who disagree with my position on interracial dating.
Speaker 1: It was that animosity that led to a crusade to
Speaker 1: try to get the state to clamp down on me.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was because we've seen with Facebook,
Speaker 2: Google things like that, how they Instagram social media in itself,
Speaker 2: how they kind of shadow band people and do certain things.
Speaker 2: Right when that was happening, there was a flip on
Speaker 2: YouTube in regards to you. When you google Umar Johnson.
Speaker 2: Prior to there were videos of you just speaking like you.
Speaker 1: Do every day.
Speaker 2: After that, there was like a surge of doctor Umar
Speaker 2: Johnson exposed. Doctor Umar Johnson said. This Boyce Watkins was
Speaker 2: up there. He was saying stuff. And when you looked
Speaker 2: at what Boyce Watkins was saying, it was almost like
Speaker 2: a game. These guys are playing a weird Oh yes,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he says, Well, I didn't say anything this
Speaker 2: girl said, and yeah she's a black woman. They it's
Speaker 2: a crazy thing. So with that switch, I just.
Speaker 1: Thought about it.
Speaker 2: I'm like I wonder, what's this kind of stop the momentum, because.
Speaker 1: Oh, without question, yeah, without question. Here three things to
Speaker 1: your point. Number one, My work suffers to a degree because,
Speaker 1: unlike the black power movement of the sixties, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of other serious national and international organizers who
Speaker 1: can help distract the power structure from following my every
Speaker 1: move See King had Malcolm, Malcolm had Mega, MegaR had Stokely,
Speaker 1: Stokely had core Cord had Snick. Snick had the Southern
Speaker 1: Christian Leadership Conference. They had the Freedom Riters, the Freedom Riders,
Speaker 1: had the Cities, the Citis, had the HBCU protests. In
Speaker 1: other words, even though j Ego Hoover was all over
Speaker 1: each of their backs, he had to worry about ten
Speaker 1: other legitimate movements. We don't have that now, unfortunately or fortunately,
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it. As a result
Speaker 1: of the police genocide campaign that was reignited under the
Speaker 1: administration of Barack Hussein Obama. That campaign exposed the traditional
Speaker 1: civil rights leadership cartel Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP, Congressional Black It
Speaker 1: exposed them as being in a because they couldn't give
Speaker 1: our youth an answer to police genocide. So when Sharpton
Speaker 1: went down to Charleston, South Carolina and tried to organize
Speaker 1: the community there to be quiet and let the police
Speaker 1: do their investigation, he was disinvited. He was also disinvited,
Speaker 1: I believe, from Baltimore Jackson disinvited. So for the first
Speaker 1: time in our life, we saw major civil rights leaders
Speaker 1: be disinvited by the community. That opened up a vacuum
Speaker 1: where now, for the first time in our history in America,
Speaker 1: this may be the first time in four hundred years,
Speaker 1: you do not have an identified black leader that the
Speaker 1: youth can respect. And I believe that was part of
Speaker 1: the assault on my political character because they said I
Speaker 1: was coming kill it. Because one thing we know about
Speaker 1: military science, before you exterminate the body, you exterminate the reputation.
Speaker 1: If you can kill the reputation of the black man,
Speaker 1: you may not even have to kill the black man,
Speaker 1: because it's people are doing for you exactly. So what
Speaker 1: you see happening to doctor Umar right now is the
Speaker 1: assassination of my political reputation as a means of doing
Speaker 1: what destabilizing and killing the momentum and the message.
Speaker 2: And because the message, whether or not people agree with it,
Speaker 2: in this entirety. There's there's some meat in this message,
Speaker 2: for like, but if you don't understand it, that's that's cool.
Speaker 2: But the logic in it and a lot of places
Speaker 2: is there you can look at it. It makes total sense.
Speaker 2: And some people, like I said, when I seen, I said, dude,
Speaker 2: and to see the tyreg the sheets, especially with you,
Speaker 2: I watched colors because of you. I'm not nobody that Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it because you're hear saying that, because
Speaker 2: that's the truth. And so even when that happened, I'm
Speaker 2: like this infighting, Like we're gonna right back to infighting
Speaker 2: in a time where we don't have that recognizable face
Speaker 2: like who is it? Who is it? And when you,
Speaker 2: like I said, you were coming, and man, when you
Speaker 2: were coming, you were coming with force. When you when
Speaker 2: you like your conversations now that were just filled with
Speaker 2: ship and it.
Speaker 1: Was boom bam bam bam bam. They cannot it was
Speaker 1: nothing they can do with exactly.
Speaker 2: And so when I see that and I say, okay, boys,
Speaker 2: Walker's he did the same thing. The Farakhan too. He said, hey,
Speaker 2: this person said something I didn't say it. It's all good.
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it that you two don't pay
Speaker 2: that well, you know, for guys to do all of that.
Speaker 1: Low key hating, soft you know, very sophisticated, careful with it.
Speaker 1: But what you're doing is introducing a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: negative doubts in the people's minds the previously didn't have
Speaker 1: those doubts.
Speaker 2: And then what and like you said, and what happens
Speaker 2: is when you start to do that, somebody goes hmm,
Speaker 2: and they don't ever hear you respond to. That's why
Speaker 2: it's important for this kind of because what will happen
Speaker 2: is when they do that and then you do this,
Speaker 2: it's a response to that.
Speaker 1: But with you doing the real work, you don't have
Speaker 1: the same time there exactly. And that's the thing because
Speaker 1: for a lot of them, they do nothing but sit
Speaker 1: on YouTube and not to blow my horn, because there's
Speaker 1: other activists out there on the community level, yourself and others,
Speaker 1: but on that national international black conscious level, there's few
Speaker 1: who do the work the way that I do it.
Speaker 1: So even with the criticism that came from us taking
Speaker 1: so long to get a school, which you're in real estate,
Speaker 1: you know, it takes a while to get property, especially
Speaker 1: when it's expensive, especially when you're dealing with commercial you see.
Speaker 1: So I'm out there grinding to try to get this school.
Speaker 1: They living off of YouTube money. You follow and people
Speaker 1: not putting two to together and say, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: if they got time to make a video a day,
Speaker 1: what are they actually doing for the people. I don't
Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel. People don't know this because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of channels that are misrepresenting themselves as mine
Speaker 1: money because of money. There's a King Consciousness channel. I
Speaker 1: don't know who owned that. There's a Prince of Pan
Speaker 1: Africanism channel. I don't know who owned that. So people
Speaker 1: think I thought that's your channel because it's all your videos.
Speaker 1: It's not mine. And I wouldn't even have a problem
Speaker 1: with them having it if they made a donation to
Speaker 1: the school. Sometimes you've got people who've been plugging my
Speaker 1: info never made a donation to the school. That's what
Speaker 1: bothers me. But see what a lot of see here's
Speaker 1: the other issue, and this has been a historic problem
Speaker 1: with black leadership. You can go back to the days
Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglas, Martin Delaney, you go back to the
Speaker 1: days of Malcolm and Martin. You could go back to
Speaker 1: the days of almost anyone you want to bring up,
Speaker 1: that ego of the Negro has always divided our people.
Speaker 1: The ego of the Negro has always divided our people. However,
Speaker 1: where Douglas and Delaney they were still able to coexist.
Speaker 1: Where Malcolm and Martin on the eve of Malcolm's assassination
Speaker 1: through read at Scott Rest in Peace, Malcolm had agreed
Speaker 1: to your unite forces with King the Lady united forces
Speaker 1: with Douglas at times. You see. So even though they
Speaker 1: differed politically, they were able to come together. You know
Speaker 1: why that is because the intentions were sincere. See. I
Speaker 1: always tell people I'm a Pan Africanist. I'll never be
Speaker 1: a Hebrew. I'm not interested. I'll never be in a
Speaker 1: nation of Islam. I'm not interested. I'll never be Anwapian.
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. I'll never be a god on Earth.
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. But I respect all of those movements
Speaker 1: because they have all contributed to our people and where
Speaker 1: we are today. I have friends and supporters in those movements,
Speaker 1: and I support those movements. But guess what, I could
Speaker 1: work with any of them if the intentions are sincere.
Speaker 1: So although I am a Pan africanist. If I think
Speaker 1: you are insincere, even if we are ideologically homogeneous, I
Speaker 1: won't work with you because you're a hustler. On the
Speaker 1: flip side, you could be a Bible tot and white
Speaker 1: Jesus worshiping Christian. But if I believe you really trying
Speaker 1: to make a difference for black folks, I will unite
Speaker 1: with you. At the end of the day, it's not
Speaker 1: the ideology that matters the most. It's the purity of
Speaker 1: your heart and your intentions. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: in today's conscious movement the YouTube voices not to throw
Speaker 1: nobody under the bus. Brother, I couldn't give you three Yeah,
Speaker 1: me neither. I couldn't give you three who I would say,
Speaker 1: he sincerely cares about his people, and even if you
Speaker 1: didn't make a dollar, he would still do this work.
Speaker 1: I can't give you.
Speaker 2: Three and for me and for me being on the
Speaker 2: wrap side, because I know the youth is what the
Speaker 2: most important thing is and as an artist myself, I
Speaker 2: can't give you three that I would want to sit
Speaker 2: down with because again, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I understand it's a lot of clickbait. It's just a
Speaker 2: lot of bullshit. You know, it's just a lot of
Speaker 2: your dudes are doing things that I can't understand from
Speaker 2: a place where you don't do that. Yes, Like, if
Speaker 2: you have a sincere problem, you address the problem now.
Speaker 2: If you want to have a dialogue, put you a
Speaker 2: video yo out as for a response. And even if
Speaker 2: you don't ask for a response, make valid points that
Speaker 2: I can respond to.
Speaker 1: Yes, but to.
Speaker 2: Assassinate the character of another god, just yes, you know
Speaker 2: a lot of times I don't understand it. But going
Speaker 2: back to the school when you went to get is
Speaker 2: the school recognized in Delaware right now?
Speaker 1: Well, remember, yes it is. You don't get officially recognized
Speaker 1: as a school till you are operating. So I have
Speaker 1: to be at the point where I'm ready to accept
Speaker 1: the students in. That's when I let Delaware know we
Speaker 1: are now officially okay, applying for our certificate a license
Speaker 1: to operate an independent school in the state of Delaware.
Speaker 1: So we got to rehab that building first. But in
Speaker 1: other words, in order to get approved by the state,
Speaker 1: you got to first be approved by license and inspections.
Speaker 1: To even have kids inside of it, you follow it.
Speaker 1: So we got to go through that. We're dealing with
Speaker 1: the building now before we even hit the baraccasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes this makes sense because it got to be
Speaker 2: up to stand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta be up.
Speaker 2: What about with the building, with the school? What what
Speaker 2: have you done to ensure that when it's time? Do
Speaker 2: you have a date?
Speaker 1: Do you have a hard you need the money because
Speaker 1: you need the money, can't have a hard date. But
Speaker 1: the beauty, the beauty is the building as opposed to
Speaker 1: it being one castle. It's for smaller castles. That helps
Speaker 1: us because, as you know, being in real estate, you
Speaker 1: can operate this and have everything off over there, you follow.
Speaker 1: That's been a beauty. So I can focus in on
Speaker 1: the Marcus Garvey Building, which is which is about twelve buildings,
Speaker 1: excuse me, twelve classrooms, two bathrooms, computer.
Speaker 2: Lab, kicking how over there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It got what we need right. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: at that and I'm like, if we started with this,
Speaker 1: we can handle this right, you know. So that's why
Speaker 1: we're focusing on that because that'll give us two or
Speaker 1: three years to show improved raise that money for the
Speaker 1: big one. Because once we get into Frederick Douglas building,
Speaker 1: it's a raight brother. That's a modern gym, modern gigantic gym,
Speaker 1: separate lunch row, sixteen class, big hallways. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the Frederick Douglass Building, my brother would be the central
Speaker 1: Black organizing headquarters in America. Every conference you're trying to
Speaker 1: do a hip hop conference, we got all the space
Speaker 1: you need, vendors, entertainment, grassouts side. You follow what.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, yeah, sir, yes, sir?
Speaker 1: See what and the reason I'm so excited when I
Speaker 1: talk about the campus. As someone who speaks as much
Speaker 1: as I do, I can probably only name for you
Speaker 1: five places one hand of places I've spoken in. And
Speaker 1: this is global, not just in the man that's owned
Speaker 1: by us. Ninety nine percent of the time when I'm speaking,
Speaker 1: I'm speaking in property that we had to rent from
Speaker 1: another person. You see speaking to us, and you're speaking us,
Speaker 1: which means I have to watch my message to a.
Speaker 2: Degree for they say next time, no.
Speaker 1: More, next time, no more, or bring the police in
Speaker 1: on you right then and there exactly. So we will
Speaker 1: have a facility where we can fit all the people
Speaker 1: we need, do all the music we need, all the
Speaker 1: food we need, all the vendors we need, one stop shop,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to market that as a conference center.
Speaker 1: So guess what delta sigma beta. Guess what kappa ALPHASI
Speaker 1: guess what omegasi five five beta sigma sibber Gammarrell say
Speaker 1: the phive beta right when y'all need a space to
Speaker 1: do a conference. Why are you giving a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million to Hyatt, Why you're giving a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million to Hilton while you're giving a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million to Best Western. Where you can come here
Speaker 1: and give that quarter of a million to us. You
Speaker 1: can operate our school for the whole year if you
Speaker 1: do your camra. We got. It's a nice school's modern modern,
Speaker 1: not old modern. We got all the class space y'all need,
Speaker 1: We got all the lunching space y'all need. Let us
Speaker 1: do it and let my students cater it with our hotel,
Speaker 1: restaurant and tourism school. You follow what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: I'm putting organizations on the spot. When we up and
Speaker 1: run it, I better not catch you. You understand giving
Speaker 1: your money to a white hotel where you got an
Speaker 1: independent school with the facilities you need that you can
Speaker 1: go to. It is Wilmington, thirty minutes from the Philadelphia Airport,
Speaker 1: two hours from DC on the river, historic city. How
Speaker 1: can you say nothing?
Speaker 2: Do you meet any resistance? Are you still meaning resistance?
Speaker 2: Or it was the building? Was that like a turning
Speaker 2: point for the goal that when you.
Speaker 1: Give me it was a turning point spiritually, ain't psychologically
Speaker 1: because through those five years Brothers, because of the real
Speaker 1: estate racism, I kept coming into buildings that we could afford,
Speaker 1: like the Philly building getting red line through racism. There
Speaker 1: was a school in Trenton, New Jersey, red line through racism.
Speaker 1: There was a school in Detroit, Michigan that I really wanted,
Speaker 1: owned by Brothers. I didn't get that building because they
Speaker 1: didn't want to work with me on a price. We
Speaker 1: couldn't afford the whole thing, but we could put down
Speaker 1: more than half right and pay the rest off. They
Speaker 1: didn't work with us because we would have been in Detroit, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good place. Yes, I was about to go to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: There was a black OneD church school in Atlanta. It
Speaker 1: wasn't quite what I wanted, but Atlanta is a big
Speaker 1: doctor umar city, so I was gonna work with it.
Speaker 1: But then my mother fell ill, so I couldn't make
Speaker 1: that relocation. Otherwise I would be in Atlanta now, but
Speaker 1: I think it was all by divine design, because the
Speaker 1: Delaware building significantly better in terms of amenities than any
Speaker 1: of the other ones.
Speaker 2: Now, when you when you meet that racism real estate racism,
Speaker 2: are there laws to govern that.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're supposed to report it. You're supposed to report
Speaker 1: it to the Feds. The Feds do the investigation. If
Speaker 1: the Feds find that there was wrongdoing on a part
Speaker 1: of the realtor, they will give you a certificate that
Speaker 1: allows you to now go to a regular attorney and
Speaker 1: soothe them for that discrimination. But because I've been so
Speaker 1: busy between mom and school and everything else, I hadn't
Speaker 1: had time to follow up on that. But I should have.
Speaker 1: I just been so busy. But that's the way that
Speaker 1: that goes. Yeah, you have to port it to the Feds.
Speaker 1: They will look at it to see if it meets
Speaker 1: the definition, and if it does, they now give you
Speaker 1: the authority go get a lawyer and pursue them. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you.
Speaker 2: Have you when you first started out, I heard you
Speaker 2: mentioned some curriculum. I'm gonna get you the.
Speaker 1: Six four curriculums of FDMG. I don't mention math, required.
Speaker 1: I don't mention language required, I don't mention science required,
Speaker 1: and I don't mention social studies to civics required. So
Speaker 1: on top of the required there is agricultural and agronomical science,
Speaker 1: where we want to teach them the science of how
Speaker 1: to live off the soil, grow your own food. So
Speaker 1: right now we're actually scouting property to buy about one
Speaker 1: to two acres of land that will be used for
Speaker 1: the FDMG farm. Right, so we got the agriculture, agronomical.
Speaker 1: Then we also got to diet and nutritional, so we
Speaker 1: want to teach them how to eat the livet so
Speaker 1: we will have home economics. They will be taught how
Speaker 1: to make food, understanding the mineral and nutritional properties of
Speaker 1: what you eat and how it impacts the body. So
Speaker 1: we basically want to take the doc the save the
Speaker 1: science and put it into the minds of our children
Speaker 1: so that every boy that graduates from the school will
Speaker 1: be a walking, talking, nutritional doctor in his own right.
Speaker 1: Then we got the political and military science, which I'm
Speaker 1: going to teach the bulk of that because that is
Speaker 1: making sure they understand the way the world operates. Why
Speaker 1: was Barack Obama made president? They need to know that.
Speaker 1: Why is Africa the most literally rich continent in the world,
Speaker 1: but the people are in the worst condition. They need
Speaker 1: to know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to ask you myself.
Speaker 1: I don't even know that, bro Okay. When the white
Speaker 1: man colonized Africa, first they were slavery. When slavery ended,
Speaker 1: colonization basically took off, right. So first, we're gonna steal
Speaker 1: your people. Once we've done making them work for free,
Speaker 1: We're gonna come into Africa and make y'all work for
Speaker 1: free and rob you. Now, there was a revolution to
Speaker 1: push the white man out. Kwame and Krumer of Ghana
Speaker 1: led the way, with Ghana in nineteen fifty seven, becoming
Speaker 1: the first African country to gain independence. Post Colonialism and
Speaker 1: post colonialism is basically a a a a non emotional word, okay,
Speaker 1: to describe a very inhuman thing, such as the rape, exploitation,
Speaker 1: in the humanization of people in their indigenous habitat. See,
Speaker 1: the white man puts words on things to kill the
Speaker 1: emotion behind it. Somebody say slavery, Well, slavery, that don't
Speaker 1: sound too bad. Colonialism though, but when you see what
Speaker 1: they did, that's what makes the difference. So they pushed
Speaker 1: the white Man out, but on the way out the door,
Speaker 1: the white Man started sabotaging all the infrastructure that he
Speaker 1: built in Africa. So guess what he was doing, blowing
Speaker 1: up his own buildings, poison in the water, leave nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave nothing since y'all kicking me out. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave everything that I built because I didn't build
Speaker 1: it for y'all. Built it for me to exploit y'all.
Speaker 1: So then the Africans said, wait, we need these buildings,
Speaker 1: we need the railroad, we need that. We need this
Speaker 1: shit with your door. White man said, well, if you
Speaker 1: need it, you got to pay me. Hroa, y'all been
Speaker 1: robbing that's for a century. You done stole diamonds, gold coat, tan, oil, animals, plants.
Speaker 1: What I got to pay if you don't want me
Speaker 1: to destroy the city, Further, sign the contract that you're
Speaker 1: gonna pay me for all this infrastructure. That's how Africa
Speaker 1: got put into debt. When people say, if the white
Speaker 1: Man robbed us blind, why do we owe them? All?
Speaker 1: African nations are in debt to European nations right now.
Speaker 1: This very much. Everyone. Everyone, you say, how can that be?
Speaker 1: When they rob us of people, and they rob us
Speaker 1: of how can we owe y'all? Because on the way
Speaker 1: out the door they were just shave pay me, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna destroy you, destroy your whole infrastructure. Reluctantly, we had
Speaker 1: no option, so we signed God. And then the White
Speaker 1: Man said, on top of paying me for this infrastructure,
Speaker 1: if you need any money to build up your new
Speaker 1: independent country, you need schools, you need hospitals, you need jobs,
Speaker 1: you need factory, you need medicine, pay pens, pencils, whatever
Speaker 1: you need. I'm gonna loan you the money. But here's
Speaker 1: three things you're gonna do. Number one, I'm gonna charge
Speaker 1: you one thousand percent interests. If you ever want to
Speaker 1: know why the more money Africa get, the worse off
Speaker 1: Africa is, it's because the interest on the loan, you
Speaker 1: can't pay it back in a million years. It's too deep.
Speaker 1: It's too deep to payback. So basically, you're not purchasing
Speaker 1: a loan, you're purchasing slavery. Every time an African nation
Speaker 1: accepts a loan from abroad, they are in essence giving
Speaker 1: up a part of their freedom.
Speaker 2: What are they getting loans for for infrastructure?
Speaker 1: Oh, to just exact because remember that when you took
Speaker 1: over the country, you had no bank, you had no reserve,
Speaker 1: you had no credit line. You feel me, It's like
Speaker 1: I just came into this office right now and kicked
Speaker 1: you out because you stolen from me. You start blowing
Speaker 1: up all the speakers and I he said, all you
Speaker 1: want me to leave it, you're gonna pay me for it?
Speaker 1: Then you leave. I still got what you left, but
Speaker 1: you did some damage to it. I gotta repair that.
Speaker 1: And I got the build on the tip because remember
Speaker 1: when you was running my country, you only did what
Speaker 1: you needed to do to exploit the resources. You didn't
Speaker 1: give us no schools, You ain't give us no how
Speaker 1: you can give it. Hell, you would kill us if
Speaker 1: we didn't follow. So I need money. Who I ain't
Speaker 1: got no line of credit because this is the first
Speaker 1: day of the new country.
Speaker 2: To the same individuals.
Speaker 1: That destroyed you, robed you, raped you, and slaved you,
Speaker 1: colonized you, and take out a loan. So you know
Speaker 1: what they gonna do. They gonna set the terms and
Speaker 1: set your way that every time you come back from
Speaker 1: more money. Are you doing is giving me more control
Speaker 1: over your decision making power. So the first thing they
Speaker 1: do is they gonna charge you one thousand percent interest.
Speaker 1: This is why with every loan, Africa gets in worse condition.
Speaker 1: With every loan, Africa gets in worse. Second thing they
Speaker 1: gonna do, they got something called structural adjustment programs. You
Speaker 1: know what that means. That means we're gonna dictate how
Speaker 1: you're gonna run your economy. And the first thing we're
Speaker 1: gonna dictate is you must not prohibit any European businesses
Speaker 1: from coming into your country to operate their businesses and
Speaker 1: sell to your people. Why is that a problem because
Speaker 1: it means I cannot protect any homegrown national industries. Let
Speaker 1: me give you an example. You and Ghana, right, and Ghana.
Speaker 1: Let's say you got palm oil, Sene God, you got
Speaker 1: salt a Zambia. You got tea Nigeria, you got coffee. Right,
Speaker 1: So you might say, I got my own coffee. I
Speaker 1: don't need Maxwell House. I got my own tea. I
Speaker 1: don't need lifting. I got my own salt, I don't
Speaker 1: need Morton's. I got my own chicken. I don't need Purdue.
Speaker 1: White Man said, U uh, the terms of this Loanan,
Speaker 1: you must have a free market economy. Will you hit
Speaker 1: the world free market economy.
Speaker 2: You know what that means me, whoever had the most
Speaker 2: money wins exactly.
Speaker 1: So guess what, I can't compete with Morton salt. They
Speaker 1: can grow it quicker, they can refine it, they can
Speaker 1: sell it. Check you follow up. So now you got
Speaker 1: a national company owned by the government competing in their
Speaker 1: own country with a foreign company selling the same thing
Speaker 1: with government with government back. And so when you go
Speaker 1: to Africa, you say, why are Africans in Senegal buying
Speaker 1: Morton salt from America when Senegal is known for its salt,
Speaker 1: Because when Morton comes to Senegal, they can sell the
Speaker 1: native salt industry lower price, quicker, more, and they put
Speaker 1: you out of business. That's why you got African country
Speaker 1: that grow tea, important tea from Europe. You got your
Speaker 1: own chicken, you important chicken from America. With all these
Speaker 1: chickens you got why because you can't compete with them.
Speaker 1: They sabotage your economy. Now you dependent on them. It's
Speaker 1: that now you dependent. And then the third thing they do,
Speaker 1: so you got your structural adjustment, which basically sabotage your economy.
Speaker 1: Thousand percent interests, sabotage your freedom. And then they got
Speaker 1: this new thing that came in under Obama. It was
Speaker 1: already there, but Obama made it stronger, and that is
Speaker 1: population controlled planning. Oh yes, brother, Oh yes, you know
Speaker 1: what this means. You want this money, You're gonna do
Speaker 1: three things. Number one, birth control, abortion, and hysterectomy must
Speaker 1: be made freely available to the women. Oh yes, you're
Speaker 1: gonna push birth control. Yes, yes, you're gonna push contraceptives. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna push hysterectomy. In fact, you're gonna pay black
Speaker 1: women to get their insides taken. Oh. Yes. When I
Speaker 1: was in South Africa, I never forget it. Two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, my first time. They have been there many
Speaker 1: times since. On the way to the airport, there was
Speaker 1: a big billboard. It said hysterectomies five hundred US dollars.
Speaker 1: We will pay you. Did you hear that? You don't
Speaker 1: have to pay us. We're gonna give you five hundred
Speaker 1: US dollars to get your reproductive system taken out. And
Speaker 1: guess what, because of the economy that has been created
Speaker 1: in Africa by the white man, a lot of our
Speaker 1: sisters go for it because economically it's so stressful to
Speaker 1: live African poverty is nothing like Black American poverty. Go
Speaker 1: to the worst hood in America, the horse Hood. It
Speaker 1: can't compete with a ghetto in Johannesburg, a ghetto in Ghana,
Speaker 1: a ghetto in serial ly On, brother, It don't even
Speaker 1: begin to compete with it. You see, you're talking about
Speaker 1: poverty on a whole new level. So you got a
Speaker 1: young black girl struggling, already got two kids. White man saying,
Speaker 1: I give you five hundred dollars if you let me
Speaker 1: take out your reproductives. But we ain't gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: When you take out your reproductive you're probably gonna put
Speaker 1: some cancer or some AIDS in you see. So, and
Speaker 1: then the LBGT. That's why that's being pushed in Africa
Speaker 1: too under Obama. Brother, it was Barack Obama who went
Speaker 1: to the president of Uganda, in Liberia and I think Tanzania,
Speaker 1: and I was in Liberia around that time that that
Speaker 1: crisis kicked and Obama threatened many African nations. Those are
Speaker 1: just three that come to mind, because those presidents stood
Speaker 1: up and said, you don't come here and tell us
Speaker 1: how to run our culture. We've been around two This
Speaker 1: is the president of you gotta. I'm paraphras He said,
Speaker 1: We've been around two million years. Who are you to
Speaker 1: come to my country and tell me that I have
Speaker 1: to make it legal for a man to marry a man.
Speaker 1: We are African. That is not how we build families.
Speaker 1: If y'all want to do that in Europe or America,
Speaker 1: you do that in Europe in America, and Obama said,
Speaker 1: if you don't make gay marriage legal, we will cut
Speaker 1: off your aid. Here's the question, why does an American
Speaker 1: president give a damn as to whether or not an
Speaker 1: African country legalizes homosexuality, Because through the legalization of homosexuality,
Speaker 1: you control the black population growth. R Homosexuality is both control.
Speaker 1: Lesbianism is both control, and it is a more powerful
Speaker 1: form of birth control than any pill or any contraceptive.
Speaker 1: This is an extermination. See, we've had four periods in
Speaker 1: our so join in America, four centuries, four periods. Sixteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen nineteen. That was a period of shock. We was
Speaker 1: trying to understand what what all is going or we
Speaker 1: never saw white folks before. A lot of us. We
Speaker 1: just took a ninety day boat ride through Hell, ninety
Speaker 1: day sleeping in feces, and menstrual blood and shackle the
Speaker 1: dead bodies. And then you come out from that a
Speaker 1: land you don't know, white folks you never seen, giving
Speaker 1: you names you don't relate to, enforcing you to do
Speaker 1: work without pay. We were in trauma, brother, That first
Speaker 1: century was trauma. Second century seventeen nineteen to eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: That's when we begin to try to fight for our humanity.
Speaker 1: Because remember, the European enslavement of the African is the
Speaker 1: first slavery where the victim was stripped of their humanity. See,
Speaker 1: people always say, why y'all keep talking about slavery. Everybody
Speaker 1: been slaves. You ain't the first slaves. In fact, the
Speaker 1: word slave comes from slav which describes one of the
Speaker 1: first European groups to be enslaved in Europe. Right, that's true,
Speaker 1: we're not the first, but we're the the only ones ever,
Speaker 1: including biblical slavery, to be stripped of your humanity, to
Speaker 1: be told that you are not a human being. So
Speaker 1: our second centur we had to fight the proof we
Speaker 1: were people, and we forget that a lot of black
Speaker 1: people forget. Before you could fight to be free, you
Speaker 1: had to fight the proof that you are a person.
Speaker 1: Worvy of the free. Yes, third century eighteen nineteen to
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, that was a fight for freedom. That's from
Speaker 1: the birth of Frederick Douglas to the rise of Marcus Goffy.
Speaker 1: That's your Nat Turner, that's your Harriet Tubman, that's your
Speaker 1: Shot the Zulu, that's your Haitian Revolution. In fact, that
Speaker 1: century there, the third one, eighteen nineteen to nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: I would argue, was our greatest century since the fall
Speaker 1: of the Great Kingdoms of Africa, because in that century
Speaker 1: you got your Pan Africanism, most of your major slave revolts,
Speaker 1: your greatest African and African American leaders, from Shahkazu to Frederick.
Speaker 1: You follow what I'm saying. You see, that was our
Speaker 1: century right here, that was it. We ain't done nothing
Speaker 1: before or since in this country that we've done eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen or nineteen nineteen, from Douglas to Garvey. Can't touch it.
Speaker 1: Then you got nineteen nineteen or twenty nineteen. I want
Speaker 1: to split this in two. I want to go nineteen
Speaker 1: nineteen to nineteen sixty eight assassination of king, and I
Speaker 1: want to go the assassination of King to today. Right
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen to nineteen sixty eight. We started off with
Speaker 1: the same organized power we had coming out of the
Speaker 1: third century. The movements was there, Garvey was there. You know,
Speaker 1: NAACP wasn't doing much for us, but it got formed.
Speaker 1: The Black labor unions was coming. We was coming, Doctor
Speaker 1: King knock, them were coming. And then the white man
Speaker 1: said in nineteen sixty eight, we got to stop this
Speaker 1: because it is threatening the status quote in this country
Speaker 1: of white over black. Oh yeah, in one way, in
Speaker 1: several ways. Let's go back twenty years nineteen fifty four. Right,
Speaker 1: civil Rights Bill is sixty four, But they desegregated the
Speaker 1: schools ten years earlier, fifty four. Why did they desegregate
Speaker 1: the school This was the beginning. The fifty four was
Speaker 1: the beginning. The reason they desegregated the schools wasn't for
Speaker 1: us to sit with the white kids. It wasn't to
Speaker 1: give us a better education. They were afraid that if
Speaker 1: they did not kill independent black education, it was a
Speaker 1: pass white education. Remember that we were inventing things in
Speaker 1: that one room black schoolhouse. White kids were not thinking
Speaker 1: about Remember the gas mask. You wasn't sitting next to
Speaker 1: white folks when you invented that the refrigerated truck. You
Speaker 1: wasn't sitting next to white folks. When you invented that
Speaker 1: the God light. You wasn't sitting next to white folks
Speaker 1: when you invented that. When Charles Drew separated blood plasma,
Speaker 1: he wasn't sitting next to white folks when he was
Speaker 1: a child in school thinking about doing that. Walkie talkies
Speaker 1: and baby carriages and ironing boards and golf teaser. White
Speaker 1: men said, look at what these Nigro kids are creating.
Speaker 1: If we don't kill they will intellectually dominate this country. Period.
Speaker 1: That's why they desegregated the schools to crush the intellectual
Speaker 1: potential of black.
Speaker 2: Or at least be able to steal from us.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and still, if I could.
Speaker 2: Sit next to you, you know I can do a
Speaker 2: little exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fifty four, sixty four, seventy four, fifty four, they
Speaker 1: integrated the schools to kill black intelligence. Sixty four they
Speaker 1: gave you the Civil Rights Bill once again, Why did
Speaker 1: they do the Civil Rights Bill? The Civil Rights Bill
Speaker 1: was not passed so you can live with white folks
Speaker 1: and date white folks and go to their hotels. You
Speaker 1: know why I was passed so that they could benefit
Speaker 1: from the black dollar. Remember, until desegregation, you had Black
Speaker 1: Wall Street, you had TUSA, you had Rosewood, you had Charston,
Speaker 1: you had Wilmington, North Carolina. You had all these pockets
Speaker 1: of black economic power. White man said, that is a threat.
Speaker 1: That is a threat. That is a threat. So we're
Speaker 1: going to desegregate and make it look like this is
Speaker 1: for social justice. We want to keep a closed sound.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it look like it's for social justice,
Speaker 1: but we are really integrating for economic domination of black capital.
Speaker 1: Look where we've been since desegregation. You can't show me
Speaker 1: a black community in America. Mind you, we are two
Speaker 1: trillion dollar people. We're the richest group of Africans in
Speaker 1: the world, where the tenth richest economic nation on the planet.
Speaker 1: And you can't show me a community in America where
Speaker 1: black people own a school to educate life, a hospital
Speaker 1: to protect life, a supermarket to feed life, or a
Speaker 1: bank to invest in life. This is why they desegregated.
Speaker 1: And then sixty eight they assassinated doctor King, the last visionary,
Speaker 1: sincere leader of a mass comprehensive movement for black folks
Speaker 1: for change. When they kill King, they said, we got
Speaker 1: to make sure we never get another one ever again. Now,
Speaker 1: at the time that King was murdered, he was considered
Speaker 1: the most dangerous black man in America. Now after the
Speaker 1: murdered King, Jaego who would declared the panthers a few
Speaker 1: years later as the number one threat to American national security.
Speaker 1: But King was considered and I agree he was at
Speaker 1: sixty eight after the death of Malcolm, after he visited
Speaker 1: the grave of Marcus Garvey and Jamaica, he came back
Speaker 1: preaching just like Garvey. If you listen to any of
Speaker 1: doctor King's speeches. After he went to visit the grave
Speaker 1: of the Honorable Marcus Garvey, those garvey Ice, those Jamaicans
Speaker 1: got into him and he came back preaching Govey And
Speaker 1: that's what they said. He got to go because the
Speaker 1: man that we killed, Malcolm fall became Malcolm. And you know,
Speaker 1: Malcolm was a son of Garvey Ice. His mother and father,
Speaker 1: Earl and Louise Little, used to run the u NIA
Speaker 1: Chapter I believe in Lansing, Michigan for the Honorable Marcus Garvey.
Speaker 1: His mother used to write for the Negro World Garvey paper,
Speaker 1: so that yes, yes, Malcolm was a Gavy Heike. Elijah
Speaker 1: Poole was a Garvey Heke. They all come from Garby.
Speaker 1: So they said, we gotta make sure we don't get
Speaker 1: another doctor King. They said, how did doctor King manage
Speaker 1: to pull this off without us financing? They said, independent
Speaker 1: black businesses finance the civil rights movement. White man said yeah.
Speaker 1: They said yes, So, so guess what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go into the ghetto and we're gonna crush
Speaker 1: the independent black businesses. How you gonna do that? Two things.
Speaker 1: Number One, We're gonna go into their high schools. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go into Chattanooga. We're gonna go to Memphis. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go to Nashville. We're gonna go to Knoxville. And
Speaker 1: guess what we're gonna do. We will go to every
Speaker 1: black high school and take out all the building trades.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure they cannot be taught how to
Speaker 1: use their hands to feed their family ever again. They
Speaker 1: took out auto shop, they took out the electric program,
Speaker 1: they took out plumbing, they took out well being, they
Speaker 1: took out HVAC. This is what they did, This is
Speaker 1: what they did. This is the beginning. Of the war
Speaker 1: between the black woman and the black man. They made
Speaker 1: the black man ekenomically irrelevant to the black woman's life.
Speaker 1: They said, this is how we're gonna kill black power.
Speaker 1: We're gonna set the family against each other. If we
Speaker 1: can set the black women against the black man, he
Speaker 1: won't have time to fight us because he got to
Speaker 1: fight his own women. So they went into the high
Speaker 1: schools and took out all the building trades. Think about it,
Speaker 1: before nineteen eighty, the black community was never about going
Speaker 1: to college to take care of our family because we
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed in the colleges, right, So they would change this.
Speaker 1: So why they taking away our economics by making sure
Speaker 1: our boys ain't learning the skills that pay the bills.
Speaker 1: Making sure our boys no longer learn the skills that
Speaker 1: pay the bills. They started this college education propaganda. Go
Speaker 1: to college, America is integrated. Now you could go to
Speaker 1: Harvard and Stanford and Yale, and we sent our kids
Speaker 1: on hundred thousand dollars loans, go go, failing to realize
Speaker 1: that even though they got that degree, who gonna give
Speaker 1: him a job? It was a trap. It was a trap.
Speaker 1: So then nineteen seventy they economically decimated us, and then
Speaker 1: they took all the factories out the black community. You
Speaker 1: go to most northern and Midwestern cities Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
Speaker 1: You see old factories. That's where we used to work,
Speaker 1: good jobs, made more than than we make now with
Speaker 1: college degrees. They got rid of all of them. That
Speaker 1: was the nineteen seventies, but they wasn't done. Nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: CIA drop off the crack cocaine boom. So now the
Speaker 1: black man can no longer earn with his hands. He
Speaker 1: got to make a decision with this crack. This is
Speaker 1: a booming business. You can smoke it to deal with
Speaker 1: the pain of not being able to provide for your family,
Speaker 1: or you can try to sell it and provide for
Speaker 1: your family. Either way and you're going to jail, which
Speaker 1: takes us to nineteen ninety Bill Clinton Crime Bill, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four boom. Look at this. Every decade since they
Speaker 1: killed King, they didn't hit us. So the seventies, economic castration, eighties,
Speaker 1: the crack, nineteen ninety Bill Clinton Crime Bill under a
Speaker 1: Democratic president that black people considered to be one of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our bore. You got Bill Clinton locked up more black
Speaker 1: men than any Republican president since reconstruction, mandatory three strikes
Speaker 1: in you out, mandatory federal minimum wages for nonviolent drug
Speaker 1: related offenses, kicked millions of Black women off welfare and
Speaker 1: the welfare of the work program. And then he did
Speaker 1: something else under the table we wasn't even watching. He
Speaker 1: criminalized child support. That was Clinton. Clinton did that. That
Speaker 1: happened under Bill Clinton. Before Bill Clinton. You didn't go
Speaker 1: to jail if you didn't have a job to pay
Speaker 1: your child support. Right. He snuck that in. And the
Speaker 1: reason he was able to snuck it in is because
Speaker 1: I don't think they put the language directly in the
Speaker 1: crime bill. So the black community didn't fight it because
Speaker 1: they didn't know that that was part of the whole mix.
Speaker 1: He criminalized child support, so any black man with a
Speaker 1: child technically technically is on parole. Any damn way that
Speaker 1: ten more years we come to the year two thousand
Speaker 1: election of George W. Bush for president. He comes in
Speaker 1: with the FBI Faith Based Initiative, where he finds a
Speaker 1: loophole in federal law that allows him the fund Black church.
Speaker 1: If you want to know why, you ain't seen the
Speaker 1: Black church involved in any major struggle affecting black folks.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that you don't see the Black church
Speaker 1: dealing with police genocide. You don't see the Black church
Speaker 1: dealing with miseducation. You don't see the Black church deal
Speaker 1: with unemployment. You don't see the Black church deal with
Speaker 1: mass incarceration. Can you name one thing that the Black
Speaker 1: Church is at the far front of changing for black folks?
Speaker 1: You can't why? Because of hy two K, the new
Speaker 1: millennium came with a new takeover of the Black Church.
Speaker 1: The federal government now owns the Black Church FBI Faith
Speaker 1: Based Initiative. Your pastor is the new snitch.
Speaker 2: Om. Now that's d Now that's two What year was this.
Speaker 1: Two thousand, which is also the same year that the
Speaker 1: federal government decided that they were going to take back
Speaker 1: all major cities from blacks and gentrifying back in the
Speaker 1: hands of whites. Yep, that was why two K. You're
Speaker 1: seeing it now, but it was decided twenty years That
Speaker 1: was why two K. They unemployed us, they drug addicted us,
Speaker 1: they mastering, incarcerated us, They neutralized the Black Church, and
Speaker 1: they took back the ghettos.
Speaker 2: Now, what the what the college proper gant do?
Speaker 1: Oh man, two million unemployed African Americans were masters and
Speaker 1: doctorate degrees. That's what you got in America. I didn't
Speaker 1: say bachelor's, I didn't say associates. I say masters. And
Speaker 1: this is the top of the top. Brother. I occasionally
Speaker 1: get resumes from lawyer's brother. Lawyer, law degree, licensed attorney.
Speaker 1: I can't try to ask you to put them the
Speaker 1: word trying to put in the word man, this is
Speaker 1: we got to go back to the skills.
Speaker 2: So tell me with the school are you for your school?
Speaker 2: Are you teaching the kids to leave school without needing college.
Speaker 2: There's no college for.
Speaker 1: FDMG No, no, no, because you still have to have
Speaker 1: your black professional class. In other words, there's certain professions
Speaker 1: you cannot practice without college degrees right because of the structure,
Speaker 1: because they require licenses and certifications that you can only
Speaker 1: get if you have the credential. Right, medical doctor you
Speaker 1: got to go to college. Lawyer you gotta go to
Speaker 1: coge educated Engineers, psychologists, pharmacists, you got to go to college.
Speaker 1: So for those children who want to be something that
Speaker 1: requires college, we senting them. But for the ones who
Speaker 1: ain't interested in that, why do they have to do that?
Speaker 1: The issue is options. Know that you can build your
Speaker 1: economic empire and legacy for your children's children's children. You
Speaker 1: can do it without a college degree. Don't let nobody
Speaker 1: intimidate you and make you fearful of not going to
Speaker 1: college in order to be successful. Because the top one
Speaker 1: percent richest people in the world never set foot in
Speaker 1: the university. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people, I know this rich.
Speaker 1: Never set foot in the union.
Speaker 2: Now that's that dude, that's loaded. Like, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of shit. That's a lot of information. That's great information.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this now with that being said,
Speaker 2: because because a lot of stuff, like I said, this
Speaker 2: stuff has to get out to the masses. We need
Speaker 2: this information. Back then, I think twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, there was almost like a push for our youth,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, again from the outside, from being boots
Speaker 2: on the ground and not wrapped up in that industry stuff.
Speaker 2: I see doctor Uman on breakfast Club. I see Farah
Speaker 2: Khan on breakfast club. I see brother Polite on breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: I see uh you know, Uman Vlad, I see Uman
Speaker 2: one O six this and then I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was the LGBT stuff or something happened, and then
Speaker 2: it was boof Wulma's no longer on Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: He's not the gift was the curse. On the one hand,
Speaker 1: the hip hop community knew that the youth were beginning
Speaker 1: to become woke, so they said, if we want to.
Speaker 2: Stay relevant, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna have to somehow cater to this new woke movement
Speaker 1: because it might overtake hip hop. So if hip hop
Speaker 1: does not get on top of the wokeless, the walkless
Speaker 1: might top on hip hop. Right. That's what brought us
Speaker 1: into that because for the first time you had the
Speaker 1: people listen to the gangster rap. But then they'll turn
Speaker 1: on some doctor Umar, some John Henry Clark, right. So
Speaker 1: then the shot callers said, look at this. Okay, we
Speaker 1: got to get out in front of this because we
Speaker 1: don't need this backfiring on us. So that's when they
Speaker 1: rode out the red carpet to the conscious movement. First
Speaker 1: they let everybody else come. Of course, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be one of the last ones because my message is
Speaker 1: too strong for main streight. So I was at a Columbia,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, only been there once. Brother walked up to
Speaker 1: my young Brody said you need to be on the
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. I said, brother, I'm never getting on. He said, listen,
Speaker 1: take this card. This is Charlemagne's. It was either Charlemagne's
Speaker 1: card to Charlemagne's agent. He said, call him. I said,
Speaker 1: I give it a shot. I said, bro, trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm too strong for this platform. Sure enough, I hit him,
Speaker 1: and the brother said we were wanting to do this,
Speaker 1: So we did the first Breakfast Club right. I didn't
Speaker 1: think nothing of it. Good interview, Charlemagne was cool, Envy was,
Speaker 1: school went well, good. Brothers Angie left that thing. Brother,
Speaker 1: That thing went viral. That was twenty fourteen. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Charlamagne was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got to do it again. I said, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Came back fifteen, viral again. I said two cause it's.
Speaker 2: The hip hop mixed.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what this is. The last one. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing about the last one was almost canceled. That's when
Speaker 1: I got on a bright orange dat shiki. I was
Speaker 1: running late. I called the queen who set up. I said,
Speaker 1: cancel this. I'm on some strip in New York for
Speaker 1: traffic backed up. Envy and Charlotte Maine said tell them
Speaker 1: to come on the way. We gotta do it. Whatever
Speaker 1: we can get in, we're gonna get That was the
Speaker 1: shortest of the three because I was late, might have
Speaker 1: been thirty eight minutes. That one went more viral than
Speaker 1: the previous two. And if I don't got the stats
Speaker 1: on this, but I believe it is the most watched
Speaker 1: political interview in Breakfast Club history, and it's one of
Speaker 1: the most watched interviews period in Breakfast Club history. I
Speaker 1: would argue that that interview may have been watched more
Speaker 1: than any raper interview they did that year. You can't
Speaker 1: go off the Breakfast Cup totals because people snatching and
Speaker 1: repost it, so you got to add it from you
Speaker 1: follow They ranked at number nine. They ranked it as
Speaker 1: the ninth most powerful interview of that year. But in
Speaker 1: terms of peer reviews, I think it got more than
Speaker 1: Jay and everybody of that year that I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: After the second interview. After the second when I went
Speaker 1: to T Mobile because it was time to go to
Speaker 1: Africa and I want a T Mobile phone because they
Speaker 1: got a better international the brother, you know, y'all give
Speaker 1: me your name, get the new phone. I got my hat.
Speaker 1: He set up Omar Johnson. He said, Yo, what sure
Speaker 1: to do? I said, you said, you're the one on
Speaker 1: the breklet. He said, bruh, that interview is everywhere you look.
Speaker 1: I laughed. He said, bruh, I'm not playing with you.
Speaker 2: I ain't understand.
Speaker 1: Go on anybody's Facebook, anybody's Instagram right now, and your
Speaker 1: interview is the thing right now, right. And then that's
Speaker 1: when I had to step back and say, okay, they
Speaker 1: were gonna start watching me now because they gonna say,
Speaker 1: who is this psychologist on more than the people were
Speaker 1: put out front. I was supposed to be back on
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club November. Shout out to Charlotmagne. He looked out
Speaker 1: for me, but I hit the high road, the highway late,
Speaker 1: and then he had to make a change and asked
Speaker 1: me if I could come in a little early. It
Speaker 1: didn't work. So I'm just waiting for that for that
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