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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. What God, Jaguars

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Speaker 1: well pergade the draft. There gonna win, there's still It

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Speaker 1: is Thursday, January nine. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and

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Speaker 1: now Jacksonville's a recreational vehicle Salesman of the week. J P.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Flagman reporting for duty. Glad you're with us tonight here.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Good to be seen. I'm told

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Speaker 1: Tony Boselli is with us or will be with us

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Speaker 1: at some point. Here's what we're getting to tonight. NFL

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Speaker 1: coaching hires. It's that time of year in baseball they

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Speaker 1: call at the hot stove when players are moving around

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Speaker 1: and all that. We're not going there yet, but now

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Speaker 1: the NFL coaching hires are being made. We'll go through

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Speaker 1: some of those Jaguars quarterbacks. One certain quarterback speaking of

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Speaker 1: coming up. We'll talk defense and scheme possibilities. And there's

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Speaker 1: all this talk about three four maybe changing to three four.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean and what would that mean

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Speaker 1: on that. We'll take a look around the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Great weekend, it doesn't get much better than what was

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Speaker 1: last weekend. Two overtime games, wild card weekend? Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: uh And the probably the worst game of all was

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Speaker 1: highest rated? Oh yes, um, which was the Seattle Philadelphia games,

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Speaker 1: and that was probably the least compelling game of them all.

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Speaker 1: But looking at the ratings is crazy, and I know

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Speaker 1: the league came out I want to say it was.

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Speaker 1: The statistics are incredible. Forty one of the top fifty

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's like that every year. Though it's

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Speaker 1: But I mean, just to think about that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is mind boggling, and people wonder how the NFL

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Speaker 1: continues to just grow and grow and grow. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: radiance of cross network television and everything else is falling,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is gaining, and it's not by major increments,

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Speaker 1: but it's like the only entity that it's gaining. I

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Speaker 1: wonder what the other nine are, like the masked Singer

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Speaker 1: playoff games. I mean, the overtime games were fantastic, and

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Speaker 1: I if this week gets better than that, are you

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Speaker 1: with they're coming up? Your preview the divisional playoff games

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Speaker 1: edge of the offseason pre draft thing really beginning around here.

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Speaker 1: Well and if and it will be interesting because you know,

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Speaker 1: the conversation with Doug Moron and Dave Caldwell at the

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Speaker 1: what will that include coaches, you know, going to All

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Speaker 1: us now with the line, Tony, What's where are you?

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Speaker 1: why not? I mean it's uh, I think it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know who else traveling with him,

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Speaker 1: but I mean if I was, and I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: remember who else did that, Tony. There was a guy

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Speaker 1: Yeah Howey he bought like, he equipped this van and

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Speaker 1: he sold all of his stuff at his house, everything

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Speaker 1: as Mercedes Benz and purchased a two thousand seven four

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Speaker 1: to three cargo. Yeah. I wonder what he's doing now,

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Speaker 1: because that was what a year two? I bet you

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Speaker 1: he's still doing that. Good for him. That doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: very much fun like the that. The Amitsu RV sounds great.

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Speaker 1: The two thousand seven three fifty cargo van not so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: home with you, I'd rather have the and RV is

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Speaker 1: the bathroom just to pens It's just if you're staying

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Speaker 1: in motel hotels, I'll take the van. Okay, if you're

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Speaker 1: RV right right. You know they'll keep the lot on

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Speaker 1: for me. Two seven that's years to go. Yeah. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe, I mean, you know, I might have

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Speaker 1: new motor in and I don't know, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Good for mention. I mean when you

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Speaker 1: was years old, right, go for it, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: no wife, no no responsibility, go for it, man. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're still get a little work into,

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Speaker 1: which is nice. It's good. Yeah. I mean this is

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Speaker 1: a look. I mean, look, if he takes two or

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Speaker 1: three weeks off to do a road trip, okay, is

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Speaker 1: he the number one quarterback in the depth tess right now, Yes, Tony, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: without a doubt question. But but I want to say

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Speaker 1: this because I've talked about this a little bit last week,

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Speaker 1: and that even though he's number one on your depth

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Speaker 1: depth chart, doesn't mean that you're satisfied with where you

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Speaker 1: are at that position. So and I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people say, well, look at his numbers compared to

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Speaker 1: the top draft picks, and you know the quarterback in

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Speaker 1: New York, quarterback in Arizona, and his numbers are better.

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Speaker 1: So if you were first round pick, we would be

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Speaker 1: extremely excited about Gardner Minship. Yeah, but it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that you just say we've got that position solved, We're good.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You mean, you don't do that until you

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Speaker 1: until you know and it's proven that you have a

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Speaker 1: franchise guy, you continue to look and you don't stop

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Speaker 1: looking until you have proven to have a guy. And so, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about Minshew because there's essentially no skin in

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Speaker 1: the game. He's a six round pick. You know, if

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Speaker 1: if he turns into a franchise guy, wow, I mean

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Speaker 1: awesome if he doesn't six round pick, right, But if

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Speaker 1: you treat it as if he's our guy may end

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Speaker 1: up making you make another mistake. H and you you

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Speaker 1: you you made a mistake before by overvaluing the quarterback

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Speaker 1: that you had in Blake Bortles. You cannot do that again.

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Speaker 1: You cannot make that mistake again because if you if

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Speaker 1: you have that attitude, then it's gonna end up having

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Speaker 1: missed opportunities that follow Could you argue they did that

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Speaker 1: a little bit with Folds too, overvalued what he was

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Speaker 1: going to be. Not that you could even predict what

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00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: happened this year? But or is it that's just the

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Speaker 1: cost of doing business and free agency sometimes? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: they obviously overw you know, if he's not the starter

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Speaker 1: and you guaranteed him fifty million dollars and that's but

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Speaker 1: as far as what Jeff's talking about, something different there.

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Speaker 1: Jeff's talking about overboluing and quarterback. So you don't pick

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Speaker 1: one last year instead of picking when they went in

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Speaker 1: free agency, and that's fine. So they were they were

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Speaker 1: trying to address the quarterback situation and they drafted one

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Speaker 1: and minshew what Jeff saying moving forward, don't if you

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Speaker 1: see a franchise guy and you think and call that

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Speaker 1: in the college Jeff, and you think he's the guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't pass on him until you know you have the

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Speaker 1: guy in your building. And I agree with Jeff, I

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Speaker 1: think it's too early to say Gardner Minshew is a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback that's gonna lead this team to a super Bowl. Really,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna know hopefully after this year? I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't know. And what happens with the full

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're talking minh you heav yere,

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Speaker 1: but the Hams with folds this year, I mean not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere. You can't. You can't afford to cut him.

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Speaker 1: And somebody's got a trade for you can't cut them.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can if its your million dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the cap savings on class Marcel Darius a

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Speaker 1: J boy A, I think that's right around forty seven million.

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Speaker 1: So could you could you make it work? Sure? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But guess what you're done. You're done. There goes your

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Speaker 1: free agency right there. That's it. And so the owner

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Speaker 1: expects to win? Now, is that the route you're gonna take? New, new, new,

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Speaker 1: And here's here's the other thing. Ah, if Nick Foles

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Speaker 1: is the backup at twenty two million a year, is

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Speaker 1: it ridiculously crazy to have a backup at twenty two

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Speaker 1: million a year. Yes, but it's better to have a

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Speaker 1: backup than no backup and just a bunch of dead

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Speaker 1: cats being eaten up for a guy that's not even

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Speaker 1: on your roster. So you know, I mean, you need

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, you have to have a backup. Why would

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Speaker 1: you cut I mean, you know it's a sun cost,

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Speaker 1: Like you paid Folds the money, So it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. So just you know, if he if he

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Speaker 1: can't beat out Minhew, then keep him as the backup.

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Speaker 1: I mean, most put it this way, most teams, if

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Speaker 1: you lose your starter for the most part, you're done.

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Speaker 1: Now you lose a franchise guy, you're you're pretty much

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Speaker 1: done that year, you know, for as far as but

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Speaker 1: with the Nick Foles, I mean, are you are you done?

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Speaker 1: I mean he's proven to be arguably the best how

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00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: he plays, yeah, exactly, But I mean he's proven that

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Speaker 1: he was arguably the best back up in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: So and I'm not saying that that's what he's gonna

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00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: be because I can't read the tea leaves. I mean,

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00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: maybe he comes back and uh and with the off

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Speaker 1: season and staying healthy and he clearly shows he's better

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Speaker 1: than Minshoe and then he leaves this team to great heights.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I maybe it happens, he would easily be

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Speaker 1: the highest paid backup in NFL history. What happens if

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Speaker 1: he wins the job? And he wins the job, So

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Speaker 1: I mean that's I think Nope. So I think you

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Speaker 1: approached it as if Minshoe is the number one. But

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Speaker 1: the reality is is that players compete every day and

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Speaker 1: jobs are open, even though they're not reported to be

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Speaker 1: open or as an quote unquote open competition, the reality

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Speaker 1: is that every position is open because if a coach

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Speaker 1: sees that JP is better than me at doing something,

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Speaker 1: then coach is not stupid. I mean, he's he's trying

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Speaker 1: to coach and coach well so that he can keep

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Speaker 1: his job and to have a better team. So look,

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Speaker 1: coach will replace me with JP if you're better than

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Speaker 1: me at whatever match. That's way it is. It's getting

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Speaker 1: that time here the pre draft process beginning. All the

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Speaker 1: are the quarterbacks that have accepted invitations to the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: This here we'll see if any of these guys do

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Speaker 1: anything for you? Jaye Patterson Michigan, Stephen Montes Colorado, Jalen

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Speaker 1: just accepted his invitation the other day to mobile, Anthony

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Speaker 1: Of course, seniors or graduated players are the only ones

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Speaker 1: In fact, any of those guys do what anything for you? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's wait too early. I mean Jalen Hurts, it is

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Speaker 1: don't I would want to watch his accuracy. Herbert has

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Speaker 1: Um and then I haven't seen the other guys enough

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Speaker 1: to make any comments. We'll see if they don't think

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Speaker 1: Let's come back defensive talk and scheme changes in your coming.

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Speaker 1: But how there he goes that, Oh, are you starting

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Speaker 1: Our j P. Shadrick, Jeff Logoman, Tony BASSELLI, the offseason

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Speaker 1: a wild wild card weekend from last week. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's flip the defense. And there's all this, you know,

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Speaker 1: social media talk. If you're you're into that, I know

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Speaker 1: Tony's into that is your logs. You're a big Twitter guy.

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Speaker 1: I know you are. You're all over this thing. But

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Speaker 1: what would it take to change to a three four

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Speaker 1: defensive scheme? How difficult is that change? Do the Jags

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Speaker 1: have the personnel to get started? What holes would they

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Speaker 1: have to fill? How close were they last year? They

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Speaker 1: had moments where they showed it early I think in

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Speaker 1: the preseason, right So how far away are they if

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Speaker 1: they were to do that? I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: any team is that far away from from being a

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Speaker 1: three or four team. If you're a four three or

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Speaker 1: if you're a four three team, you know, vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So they had they had it in their inner package

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Speaker 1: this year, and we saw it little glimpses of it

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Speaker 1: throughout the season. It kind of faded away more so

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Speaker 1: at the end because you had the issues that with

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Speaker 1: injuries that linebacker. And but I mean, I will say this,

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Speaker 1: and that looked to play a three four, what you

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Speaker 1: have to have typically is four really good linebackers. And

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Speaker 1: right now you have to and that's assuming that Goaqway

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Speaker 1: is back under conta so um and Miles Jack could

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Speaker 1: he be one, Yes, he could be one, and uh

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Speaker 1: if he gets back to his level of play, obviously better.

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Speaker 1: But when you have four really strong linebackers, it makes

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Speaker 1: sense to probably play some more three four principles. Nobody

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Speaker 1: plays the old school three four that I saw when

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Speaker 1: I first came in the league, like in the late

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Speaker 1: eighties and early nineties, and that's kind of become almost extinct.

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Speaker 1: Most teams that play three four nowadays are playing the

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Speaker 1: three four. That is a gap scheme because the old

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Speaker 1: school people that they think of the three four is

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Speaker 1: is a re defense and it's not a true gap scheme.

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Speaker 1: But the three four scheme, now, the old three four

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Speaker 1: was a two gap where you had the two defensive

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Speaker 1: ends and a nose tackle that we're playing the nose

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Speaker 1: tackles playing the center down the middle, and then the

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Speaker 1: ends were playing the tackles down the middle, and then

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Speaker 1: the linebackers were over the guards the two hammer heads

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Speaker 1: as far as linebackers. But but nowadays the three four,

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Speaker 1: everybody's on a gap. So it's not that big of

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Speaker 1: a change to go from three four to four three

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Speaker 1: or four three to three four. So could they do it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think this team needs to worry about first off

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Speaker 1: right now is finding the personnel to play either one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Because I mean I think once you find the personnel

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Speaker 1: to play good defense, you can play a three four

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Speaker 1: or you can play a four three. And I think

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Speaker 1: that they probably would have shown more three four this

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Speaker 1: past year if in Goquay had been president in training

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Speaker 1: camp and they had the opportunity to maybe get him

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Speaker 1: more reps. And then the injuries obviously derailed some of that.

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Speaker 1: So what is the JP? What is outside of it

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Speaker 1: being the off season, you're looking for topics to talk about?

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Speaker 1: What is the uh? What is what? What is pushing

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Speaker 1: or what what what's pushing the conversation to go to

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Speaker 1: a three? I think that some of us thinking away stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, how could you utilize him and maybe allan

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Speaker 1: a little more together? You know? I think that probably

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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it. Well here, that's

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Speaker 1: danger is though, and I understand that, and that's fair,

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Speaker 1: and you want your best players on the field, and

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Speaker 1: I think there's ways to do that, whether at the

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Speaker 1: four three or three four. Um. But just like we

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Speaker 1: we throw these terms out, like hey, let's just go

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Speaker 1: to the three four, which is so like it changes

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Speaker 1: what kind of inside linebackers you have, It changes your

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Speaker 1: front You need big nose too big defensive ends that

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Speaker 1: have a different skill set than a four three guy typically. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so there is some um. I mean it's different though, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: it's not the same. I know, it's not a little

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Speaker 1: different much too gap and there's more gap schemes. But

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Speaker 1: still if you go watch you know the Steelers are

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Speaker 1: a straight three four team. Um. The Patriots run out

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Speaker 1: a lot of three four UM. And so you look

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Speaker 1: at the teams to do and there's more than just those.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a you have different body types of

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Speaker 1: different guys they are playing those defensive events. If you

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Speaker 1: had to Clays campbells perfect, okay, yeah, great, yeah Campbell three.

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Speaker 1: And well when I say when I say that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously you never get that. But when I say to Campel,

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Speaker 1: like a that body type, big strong, powerful, because when

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars play there for three, their defense has what

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Speaker 1: they call that strong side in that four B. That

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Speaker 1: four B is essentially he's a defensive end from a

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Speaker 1: three four. I mean that's kind of the principle behind it.

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Speaker 1: So um so there's not a lot difference there. And

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Speaker 1: I mean if you had obviously two plays like that

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Speaker 1: type of build, big strong guys that have a little athleticism.

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Speaker 1: Clayiss obviously is way more athletic than most guys that

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Speaker 1: have that type of of build. But I mean, hey,

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Speaker 1: Scotting Department, I got it, find another class Campbell, another

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Speaker 1: one right now? Six eight three. He's so unique and

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Speaker 1: that uh you know, I say that when when I

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Speaker 1: mean he he really is a unique And it's kind

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Speaker 1: of funny to say that because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's ever been a guy that has had plays as

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Speaker 1: measurables that has played the game like him. He's really unique.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about six eight, three hundred pounds athletic,

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Speaker 1: can play on the edge, can play inside, and just

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Speaker 1: curse but different. But I was four to six six

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Speaker 1: fifty ran four four heavier, But I'm just stinking height, Like,

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Speaker 1: yeah he was tall, but he wasn't thick, Like no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he was like they played different positions the same guy.

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Speaker 1: But let me let me go back to when you

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Speaker 1: were you were talking about three four and four three stuff,

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Speaker 1: Just to go back to that just for a minute

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Speaker 1: and think about it based because that's a base defense.

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Speaker 1: That's when the offenses in one tight end, two wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: two backs, or two tight ends and one back and

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Speaker 1: two wide receivers. You're only playing based defense. What is

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Speaker 1: it thirty five percent of your defensive snaps on the season,

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Speaker 1: and then once you're once you're past that, then you're

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Speaker 1: all sub And what sub is is your nickel or

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Speaker 1: your dime defense, which you're in four down for the

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Speaker 1: most part. You might have a three down with one

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Speaker 1: guy walking around. It's like what we call a spinner package,

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Speaker 1: which in Goakwai did sometimes with the Jaguar. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I I understand and I appreciate a lot of people's

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Speaker 1: should it play a three four when the reality is

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Speaker 1: that's just that's the smallest percentage of the defense if

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Speaker 1: you were to compare base defense versus sub defense. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's all the hoop law about, you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this team needs to worry. This team needs

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Speaker 1: to worry about just getting better. And I would rather

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Speaker 1: get better in sub more than I would in base

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna get off the field on third down

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Speaker 1: ran through the press room and yelled that at one

846
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Speaker 1: of the reporters and kept on going. And it applies

847
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: this week as well. The first big game that he's won,

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00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest game that he's won, the playoff

849
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: game and sent what Saints packin and had a little

850
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: bit of a controversial call or non call there at

851
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: the end of the ball game. That's right. Hey, what's

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00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the reaction in Minnesota this week? Totally? You're up there

853
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: right now. Everyone's excited, big big stuff up here on

854
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: all the radio and everything else, as you can imagine,

855
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: and uh, they feel like they've got a pretty good chance.

856
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: It's actually the game I'm doing this week too. I'm

857
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco tomorrow for the game and looking

858
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: forward to seeing it. Uh, Minnesota, when Dalvin Cook is

859
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: healthy and running the way he did against New Orleans

860
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: is tough because they're they're built off the play afs

861
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: and pass and that's when Cousins plays his best football.

862
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: So I think it should be a really close game.

863
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Every game San Francisco has played as of late has

864
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: been come come down to the fourth quarter, one possession type,

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00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: one possession style games, and I don't think this won't

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00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: be any different. And credit to Minnesota's defense, I mean,

867
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Speaker 1: they were good. They were really good in that game

868
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: and did a great job with making it tough on

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00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: the Saints all day long. So I mean to watch

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Speaker 1: you saw what they did, Jeff. They moved their two

871
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: defensive ends, Griffin and Uhane the Neil Hunter from outside

872
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: and put him as three techniques and rushed them inside

873
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: and gave the guards of the Saints all kinds of issues.

874
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: And they really harassed Drew Brees all day. And Griffin

875
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: just he's a powerful guy and and Hunter is an

876
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: extremely athletic guy, so uh boy. And I remember having

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00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: a conversation with a couple of different coaches, and they

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00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: were offensive coaches, and I asked him and said, who

879
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: is the most challenging defensive mind that you face? And

880
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: there was there was two that were pretty much widely respected.

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: One of them was Belichicked because I mean he's a

882
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: he's a defensive mind. I mean, even though that they

883
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: have a title, don't even have a title. I don't

884
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: think this year with the defensive coordinator, right, but they've

885
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: had it in the past. He has essentially been the

886
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the most part, but the other one

887
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: has been has been Zimmer. Teams and coaches think that

888
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: what he does schmatically is incredibly challenging. They always say

889
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: that he's on points, especially on third down, trying, yeah,

890
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: trying to find a weakness to attack an offense that

891
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: he's considered the best. And so I mean, that's a

892
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: perfect example what Tony's talking about about moving some personnel

893
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: guys and getting certain matchups. But uh, that's an interesting

894
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: That's gonna be an interesting game because Tony, right, and

895
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: that San Franz hasn't you know, blown the doors off

896
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: of anybody, And Minnesota has a quarterback who just won

897
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: his first big game, and uh, canny do it on

898
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: the road once again. I mean, it's a tough task

899
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: bask So their finals on wild card weekend really one

900
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: of the best wild card weekends we've had in recent memory,

901
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: at least Texans over the Bills in overtime nineteen to

902
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson with a big day at the office. The

903
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Titans and Derrick Henry knocked off the Patriots. Tony, you

904
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: were at that game. Derrick Henry went for one two

905
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: and god, he was a beast. I was texting the

906
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: game and I was like, man, it's a great matchup.

907
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: It was a great football game. And and Derrick Henry

908
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: was awesome. And the offensive line they blocked really well.

909
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: They did a good job. But in spite of all that,

910
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots only gave up fourteen points. They're such a

911
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: good defense make the passing game so hard, and uh,

912
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: the Titans, you know, as dominant as they were running

913
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: the ball, could not get into the end zone. And

914
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: it was a game until the pick six at the

915
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: end of the ball game when it was pretty much over. Uh.

916
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: And so really the story was as much as well

917
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: as Derrick Henry played. I thought that Titans defense was

918
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: just outstanding. Yeah, they did a good job, tough, and

919
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, were they that good or was the Patriots

920
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: offense just that lacking probably a little bit of both combination.

921
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: Do you really believe the time he's gonna play somewhere

922
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: else next year? I think there's a chance. I mean, JP,

923
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: if if David Tepper says, hey, look, Tom, we're gonna

924
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: give you three years, and we're gonna give you every

925
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: resource we're gonna We're gonna have your guys be on

926
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: staff and custom Taylor everything we do to what you

927
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: need to run an offense. I mean, why wouldn't Tom

928
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Brady listen to something like that? You know, I mean, here,

929
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: here's the reality. This, this is the first we were

930
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: talking about the greatest of all times being a free agent,

931
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time in a free ag It's

932
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: not like he won his last Super Bowl ten years

933
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: ago either. I mean, and uh, and look, I I'm

934
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: not inside to mind of Tom Brady, but I think

935
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: there's probably from the reports, there's probably a little bit

936
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: on both sides of Brady and Belichick of wanting to

937
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: show that they can do it on their own right.

938
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: You know. The feeling I get is that Robert Craft

939
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: desperately wants the Craft family, desperately wants Brady back. I

940
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: think both Brady and Belichick are kind of like, you know,

941
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: maybe it's time to move on both of them. And

942
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: so you have Craft, who's the owner, is probably in

943
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: the middle of it, begging both of them to figure

944
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: it out. Uh not, because the last thing you want

945
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: to see is, if you're Robert Craft, is Tom Brady

946
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: in another uniform next year? You want him to finish

947
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: in your jersey and finish it the right way as

948
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: far as the legacy of what the run has been

949
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: and what the dynasty has been in New England. And

950
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: so he's gonna try desperately to get Brady signed up

951
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: in Belichick on board with it. But I hope that

952
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: both those guys are both those guys are kind of

953
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: like move on. Yeah, I hope that he goes back,

954
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: just because I mean I don't I don't, I don't

955
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: want I mean, selfishly, I don't want to see him

956
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: in another uniform. But I also get it that you know,

957
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: there's there's business and business and and here's the reality.

958
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has always taken a very well below market

959
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: value contract, well blow market contract for his entire career essentially,

960
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: and well the signs of money because there's gonna be

961
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna throw a lot of money at him

962
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: because of what it can do for teams, ticket sales

963
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: and marketing and everything else. Oh, that's Tom Brady is human.

964
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Speaker 1: You know you gotta listen. Here's the divisional playoff weekend schedule.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings at the forty Niners. Tony, you're on that

966
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: game Saturday at four thirty five Eastern time. The Titans

967
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: and the Ravens Saturday night, M and T Bank Stadium

968
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: on the Inner Harbor. And then Sunday the Texans and

969
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and Arrowhead the Seahawks and the Packers at Lambeau.

970
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: What a weekend. It's gonna be who you like in

971
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: these games, Tony quickly, forty Niners Ravens. She I'm gonna

972
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: go upset Seahawks. I'm saying I'm going to the exact same.

973
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: I think Seahawks upset the pack in Lambeau, and I'm

974
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: taking the favorites elsewhere. Mike Mlarkey retired from coaching today,

975
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: twenty five years as a coach in the NFL, including

976
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: one as the head coach. Her congratulations and good luck.

977
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: Good for him. He's coming back to Jacksonville. I'm sure

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00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: he is to walk along the beach. Good for him, Tony.

979
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: You have a great weekend. Enjoy the trip to San Francisco.

980
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: Tony was selling is out of here. Jeff Logman's out

981
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: of here. I'm JP shattered, Will catch you next time.

982
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Speaker 1: Coming up next to The Doug Moron Show, this is

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network,