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Speaker 1: And Happy Tuesday to you and yours from Korea. Getting

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Speaker 1: Energy Stadium on Jason Kibbs to the right of me,

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Speaker 1: the wrong things. An operation. You're renting here. We're doing

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Speaker 1: just fine things, I know, but we appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: into happy to be spending a few minutes of your

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Speaker 1: harder time here. Yeah, I got articles, right, I know

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Speaker 1: First things first, nice to get a win as the

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Speaker 1: Browns knock off the Buffalo Bills nineteen sixt Gribble, I'll

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Speaker 1: start with you. Uh, A weird game. A game had

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Speaker 1: some ebbs and flows, some peaks, some definite valleys, and

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Speaker 1: yet at the end of the day brown Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I've seen enough Browns games where when you get

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Speaker 1: his fumble near the goal line. That those games typically

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Speaker 1: don't end well for the Browns, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a really important moment. Uh it was. It was

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Speaker 1: an ugly game all the way up until probably the

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Speaker 1: last few minutes. There was just a lot going wrong

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Speaker 1: for both teams at that point. But you were in it.

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Speaker 1: You were in that game because you weren't turning the

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Speaker 1: I thought the end was important, not just for We've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of games here where you've had these

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Speaker 1: late drives not go well, all the way back to

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Speaker 1: Week one against the Titans. That started a chain of

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Speaker 1: command of of just disastrous drives one after another. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Seahawks game. I mean, there was so many of these

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Speaker 1: late drives that just don't go well. And finally you

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Speaker 1: put together full length drive to win the game essentially,

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Speaker 1: and then your defense holds on the other end. Also,

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Speaker 1: you avenge some red zone woes at the same time

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Speaker 1: just not good in the red zone all games. So

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Speaker 1: that was important, and I just felt like you had

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Speaker 1: you reached a point when you hit four losses in

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Speaker 1: a row, you just have to figure out a way

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Speaker 1: to win, because I think after four losses you start

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Speaker 1: to soul search on if you're ever gonna win again.

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Speaker 1: And I think that was clear and the player's reaction,

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Speaker 1: the way they reacted to winning this game. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say it was on the same level as like when

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and sixteen when you got that

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Speaker 1: long way to win at home, but it was when

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Speaker 1: you go a full calendar month without winning, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: feel that way and feel good about it. It was

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Speaker 1: a game you had to have. It gives you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a pulse. I mean, obviously the first

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about, and that you know, you've talked

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Speaker 1: we're one of no that's there. We washed ourselves of

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Speaker 1: what's happened, and now we're gonna try to build something.

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Speaker 1: And certainly was not a pretty game. It was not

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Speaker 1: you beat a team that was six and two coming

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Speaker 1: you did ten plays eighty two yards when you had

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Speaker 1: to have it. The defense did enough to force a

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Speaker 1: you win nineteen to sixteen. But it was just one

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Speaker 1: where this was all about the outcome. That wasn't about

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Speaker 1: all about the outcome. You had to win it you did.

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Speaker 1: Is that quality of football, that brand of football is

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Speaker 1: but at least it's something, and I think you can

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Speaker 1: and it's at some point that people are looking around saying,

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Speaker 1: then Baker found Hollywood Higgins. Good to see him back

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Speaker 1: look back on this game the same way we look

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a sloppy game. I know there

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Speaker 1: But I I I don't know if any of us

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Speaker 1: point with just what we saw. But again, it was

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Speaker 1: a win. It wasn't. It wasn't the prettiest whin. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't like the Atlanta win last year or anything like

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Speaker 1: win some of those because ultimately, like early in the season,

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Speaker 1: for a franchise that has struggled to win so much

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Speaker 1: the last few years, you take what everything get. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb with an outstanding effort in the football game,

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Speaker 1: but the debut of Kareem Hunt one of the big storylines.

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Speaker 1: And while he did a fantastic job catching the ball

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Speaker 1: best fullback effort we've seen out of anybody this year

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Speaker 1: of other things, I thought. And Chubb, I think you

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Speaker 1: Hunt on the one sixteen even better. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: Nathan and that we agreed last year that the best

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Speaker 1: personnel for this team was two tight ends, two wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: Neck Chubb on the field. I don't know if that's todaynymore,

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Speaker 1: But this is something that worked right away. I'll I'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see what they can do passing wise

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Speaker 1: I do think you're gonna see a lot more come

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's when he would go and train and

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Speaker 1: the season and you were asked to point the guy

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Speaker 1: I think Kareem Hunt really stood out. I think the

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Speaker 1: energy level, just the adrenaline that was going. And now

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Speaker 1: it's a short week and you've got to hope for

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Speaker 1: the Browns that this is a lot for the Steelers

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Speaker 1: a short week. This is hard to prepare for. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like I go back to my days of covering

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Speaker 1: against Deante Johnson and James Washington. That's the thing that

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Speaker 1: would concern me is just being disciplined and stopping those

431
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Speaker 1: the short passes and not letting them become something big.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we watched one of their games. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember who they were playing, but I watched one of

434
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Speaker 1: these Seelers games, and I think all they did was

435
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 1: throw it to the running backs the whole game, and

436
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Speaker 1: we have been victimized by that. You can think about

437
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Speaker 1: two major kind of turning point plays on little passes

438
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Speaker 1: drowning backs Tennessee with the screen to Derrick Henry new

439
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: England the screen to James White when you finally got

440
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Speaker 1: it to a one possession game. Um, they're gonna have

441
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Speaker 1: to be on that and watching out for Jalen Samuels

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Speaker 1: and Connor obviously out of the backfield if he's back

443
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Speaker 1: in time. You just feel like, if the truth is,

444
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Speaker 1: if we want to do anything this season, we have

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Speaker 1: to win this game. I mean, this is if if

446
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Speaker 1: you don't win this game, you win it your two

447
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 1: and oh in the division, you've beaten the Steelers, you

448
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Speaker 1: have Miami coming at home. Who is no joke. You

449
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Speaker 1: can't just say at this point, oh, we're going to

450
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Speaker 1: roll over there. They have one fewer win than we

451
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Speaker 1: do on the season. So it's not like words so

452
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Speaker 1: far above them. And Fitzpatrick has been a pain in

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Speaker 1: our keister for many years, wearing many different uniforms. GM's

454
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Speaker 1: got a step in at some point though, intervenings doing well.

455
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Speaker 1: I thought that's what they did in Pittsburgh when they

456
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Speaker 1: called that all out blitz. I thought that was like

457
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Speaker 1: radio down from above, like stop this, this isn't the plan.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? Um? So this is it's a

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Speaker 1: critically important game. It's one that if we are. You know,

460
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Speaker 1: everything we did was based around us being a physical team.

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Speaker 1: That's why training camp was the way it was. All

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Speaker 1: of those things. This is a game that is going

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Speaker 1: to be a slugfest. I feel like it's probably a

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Speaker 1: race to twenty points or so. You know, and you

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Speaker 1: talked about they've gotten to twenty. They've scored defensive touchdowns

466
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Speaker 1: in the last two and without them they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: sniffed twenty in either of those games. So you've got

468
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Speaker 1: to find a way to get to twenty yourself, which

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Speaker 1: is something we haven't been able to, which is insane.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a team with O'Dell and Jarvis and

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. Who is you know, he's likely I think

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Speaker 1: what he needs eighty one yards or eighty three yards. Okay,

473
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Speaker 1: I knew it was under ninety eight nine yards to

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Speaker 1: be the first thousand yard rusher of this season. And

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Speaker 1: he gets benefit of playing on Thursday night to do it.

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Speaker 1: But you will be the first one to get to

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Speaker 1: a thousand yards and you we can't score twenty points.

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Speaker 1: It's wild. I think before we get to our keys

479
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Speaker 1: for the for victory on Thursday night, I would be

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Speaker 1: remiss if we did not address special teams becoming a

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Speaker 1: factor Thursday night with weather not great but definitely not

482
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Speaker 1: seventy five degrees and sunny, and not playing in a

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Speaker 1: dome here. Uh, we know what the Steelers special teams

484
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Speaker 1: are all about. We've been victimized by them in the past.

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Speaker 1: This will be a big part of the game on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, especially if it's going to be a select

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Speaker 1: fest grubble. Yeah, you know it's It's tough because Austin

488
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Speaker 1: Cybers had a great year. He's perfect for field goals,

489
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Speaker 1: but he has missed an extra point in every in

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Speaker 1: each home game where the Browns have scored a touchdown

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Speaker 1: in the dog pen end zone. That's that's the area

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Speaker 1: that's given everyone. Uh fits field goal wise, the kickers

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Speaker 1: are two or five on field goals into that into

494
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Speaker 1: that side of the stadium missed. All the missed extra

495
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Speaker 1: points have been on that side of the stadium. So

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Speaker 1: do you need in a game where I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: believer of I love going for it on fourth and

498
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Speaker 1: goal as much as anyone, but this might be a

499
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Speaker 1: take the points kind of game. Take the three, make

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Speaker 1: the three, uh, and there will be another big game

501
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Speaker 1: for Cyber because I think he's been really good. If

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Speaker 1: he wasn't in the same conference as Justin Tucker, I

503
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 1: think there'd be actual Pro Bowl buzz for this guy.

504
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Speaker 1: Because you're sixteen and sixteen at this point of the season,

505
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Speaker 1: you're doing something right. Hey, he's playing very well. We

506
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Speaker 1: know the Hammers playing very well. Our coverage teams have

507
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: been playing well. But this is one of those games that, yeah, again,

508
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Speaker 1: like I talked about on defensive game changing defensive players,

509
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Speaker 1: the game where maybe we need a game changing play

510
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Speaker 1: on special teams, forcing a turnover, getting a big return, something,

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Speaker 1: you know, like we did against Seattle that really kind

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Speaker 1: of got us moving in that game. So uh yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see any karate kicks on punt returns.

514
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Speaker 1: I don't want to see anything like that from the

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Speaker 1: past of the Browns. I want to see just good

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Speaker 1: solid Do we do we see Jarvis back on punts again?

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Speaker 1: I'd like to. I mean, I gotta tell you, first

518
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Speaker 1: of all, terrifying moment with Don Drill Hilliard, but tremendous recovery.

519
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Speaker 1: He basically slid across the ground like a snake. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he did it a few yards and

521
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Speaker 1: was able to maintain possession. But this is a game, yes,

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Speaker 1: where I think you do want to see Jarvis Landry

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Speaker 1: back there, give him a chance to make a play.

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Speaker 1: Pull out, you pull out all the stuffs. This is

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Speaker 1: a game that turns all of a sudden, your you know,

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Speaker 1: your faint heartbeat that you have now into a legitimate

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Speaker 1: one because the wild card pitcher in the a f

528
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Speaker 1: C is wide open. I mean, the Steelers are in

529
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Speaker 1: right now, and there are five and four they would

530
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Speaker 1: be in if the playoffs started today, So beating them

531
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Speaker 1: head to head, the division ramifications, et cetera. I don't

532
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Speaker 1: know that you're gonna be able to catch the Ravens

533
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Speaker 1: anymore at this point, but you never know, and you've

534
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Speaker 1: got to play it out. But this is a critical one.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going for this all hands on deck. If

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Speaker 1: we have anything that we've been saving, let's try it out,

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Speaker 1: let's go. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves.

538
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Speaker 1: But say you're the Browns with the situation, wild card,

539
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Speaker 1: aren't the tiebreaker? Things working in your advantage if you

540
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Speaker 1: do put yourself in the mix, Because if you are

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Speaker 1: in the mix, you obviously have a great division record.

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Speaker 1: First off end you would obviously have a pretty good

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Speaker 1: a f C record. Wouldn't that put you in good

544
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Speaker 1: time breaking position with with some of those teams because

545
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Speaker 1: you've got three of three of your six losses were

546
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Speaker 1: in the NFC, right, and so yes, it would certainly,

547
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Speaker 1: And that's why every game you can only do one

548
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: at a time, but these are all critical. I mean,

549
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Speaker 1: the only NFC game we have left left is the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: We have seven games on five or Division ones the

551
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Speaker 1: Cardinals and ones that Dolphins. I mean, if we go

552
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Speaker 1: on a real run, it means we're tearing up the

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Speaker 1: NFC North. Then I think we're all. I don't even

554
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Speaker 1: think it's fair to assume anything yet with this team

555
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: because we've made that mistake. But I feel pretty good

556
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Speaker 1: about our ability to beat Cincinnati twice. So if you

557
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: can't find a way you get the Ravens at home,

558
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: we've beaten them. Sometimes styles make the fights. I don't

559
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Speaker 1: know what it is about what we did to them,

560
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Speaker 1: but nobody else has done what we've done to them,

561
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Speaker 1: and so you you just gotta keep taking care of

562
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: your business. But it's it's a one week thing. And

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the attitude that they have there,

564
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Speaker 1: we have a chance to win two games in five

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Speaker 1: days after winning, you know, two games basically the first

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Speaker 1: half of the season. All right, keys to victory. The

567
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Speaker 1: Browns will win Thursday if they do what Andrew Gribble.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think they have to win the turnover battle,

569
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Speaker 1: but don't lose the turnover battle by more than one.

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Speaker 1: Like if you can just get away with like a

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Speaker 1: one oh kind of game or to one, or if

572
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: that means your force in turn, I think that's enough

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Speaker 1: against this team, because I do think the Steelers have

574
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Speaker 1: to They've needed these turnovers to win these games. And

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Speaker 1: I think that if you can just survive and even

576
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Speaker 1: take a minus one, if you win the turnover battle,

577
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Speaker 1: I think you're winning this game. But if you if

578
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Speaker 1: you can just weather it and and keep it to

579
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Speaker 1: a minimum, then I think you've got a good shot

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Speaker 1: of winning. I agree with that, and I'll just kind

581
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Speaker 1: of take a little caveat against that number one. You

582
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta protect Baker Mayfield, and that's going to

583
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Speaker 1: tie into winning the turnover battle, because you know t J. Watt,

584
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Speaker 1: one of the things he does very well is kind

585
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Speaker 1: of get those forced fumbles, get those things out um.

586
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Speaker 1: He's been great at that since coming into the NFL.

587
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: He's got eleven force fumbles for his career, which is

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Speaker 1: the most in the league since he's coming into the

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Speaker 1: NFL in two thousand seven. So that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: But this is the game I'm calling for it. I

591
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: want the defense to make one of those plays that

592
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Speaker 1: we've been waiting for all year where they take something

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Speaker 1: to the house. We haven't seen them score. I feel

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Speaker 1: like there will be opportunities to take the football the

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00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: way and to change either significantly changed field position, stop

596
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Speaker 1: a drive in the red zone of the goal line.

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00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Just make one of those. That is a momentum swinging point,

598
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: saving point adding takeaways the thing, and we haven't seen

599
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Speaker 1: it really this year, and this is the game to

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Speaker 1: see it, all right, gentlemen. On to Pittsburgh we go

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Speaker 1: and Thursday Night Football from First Energy Stadium. Pregame show

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Speaker 1: on the University Hospitals Radio Network starts at four thirty,

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Speaker 1: kickoff at eight two with Jim Doug and the Z

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