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Speaker 1: Violent Weekend. But this is Israeli Palestinian war, full blown war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course the focus is on Hamas, which

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about in a moment at one twenty, right

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Speaker 2: after we do the cash contest, we'll be talking to

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Speaker 2: Aaron Cohen, national counter terrorism expert and former Israeli special

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Speaker 2: ops veteran. He will come on the show and lend

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Speaker 2: him insight because just to bring it up to date immediately,

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Speaker 2: what we're dealing with now, and this was the Harmas strategy,

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Speaker 2: not to just cause terror, but they took hostages. You

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Speaker 2: festival like Tech Music Techno and they took hostages. And

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Speaker 2: I did ponder that over the weekend, and now we

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Speaker 2: know why. It's to tell Israel, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: To kill your hostages. That's exactly the strategy or astage,

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Speaker 1: hide the hostages in buildings that Israel is likely to

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Speaker 1: attack because military or government significance. Right, although yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how Israel would know it's more than one

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Speaker 1: insight Israel during this attack. No, they're not going to know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the whole point it. I mean, Israel is

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Speaker 1: going to annihilate Gaza. But it is complicated because you

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Speaker 1: don't well, I say that because Israel is doing your strike.

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Speaker 1: So if that's a strategy, they're just ignoring it. They're

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Speaker 1: still there still, Gods, maybe they have to. Well, Eric,

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Speaker 1: you were telling me that they hide, they hide their weaponry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Palestinians in schools.

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Speaker 3: The Hamas uses schools, hospitals, mosques, residential buildings to hide

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Speaker 3: their weaponry, artillery, explosives and all of that. And they

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Speaker 3: use Palestinian innocent civilians as human shields. And the Israeli

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Speaker 3: to the innocent civilians before those strikes occur, and with

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Speaker 1: So there's the Palestinians don't care if the Israeli citizens

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Speaker 3: No, they hit a mosque earlier today just outside of

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Speaker 1: To the Israelis when they attacked is just I've read

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Speaker 1: just were shooting families indiscriminately. They killed two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty people at that music festival they were parading. I

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Speaker 1: mean they threw a naked woman, dead naked woman in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I heard she was from Germany. Theast nine

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Speaker 2: Americans have been killed in this. You know, Hamas is

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Speaker 2: Hamas is an acronym for how do a cat al

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Speaker 2: Do you remember yasir Arafat? Yeah, the Palestine, the Palestine

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Speaker 1: But Hamas did not like it. Well, Hamas is a

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Speaker 1: in Iran and Saudi Arabia are at odds, right, aren't

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Speaker 3: Israel is also starting to normalize relations with a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Crown Prince acknowledged last month that the negotiations are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saudi Arabia, and then they.

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Speaker 2: Believe as Saudi Arabia goes, other Middle Eastern countries will

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Speaker 1: You are right. Trump's administration had broker to a number

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Speaker 1: of agreements between Israel and Arab states. Biden administration was

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Speaker 1: Why don't we be good neighbors to each other. Nobody

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Speaker 1: so let's just go along with this, and Iran is

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the stories I read over the weekend

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Speaker 2: and that's part of the reason for this revolt. Intense

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Speaker 2: this is coming from a lot of frustration. And you know,

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Speaker 2: but they pretty much run things. Yeah, so that's why on.

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Speaker 1: That sh're doing this.

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Speaker 2: You might say, well, this seems suicidal because Israel is

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Speaker 2: they're trying to let the Israeli people know that you're

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Speaker 1: These Hamosteris don't care if they die. It's like al

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has gone on for decades, this struggle

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Speaker 1: There the some of the Palestinians are taught when they're

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break. When we

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Speaker 2: come back. Our guest will be Aaron Cohen. He's a

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Speaker 2: National Counters expert and he was with the Israeli Special Operations,

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Speaker 2: because they obviously have a lot of experience with this

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Speaker 2: At the same time, Israel's trying to pummele Hamas into

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Speaker 2: Well, the big international story, of course, is what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Israel. The Israeli Defense Minister ordered a complete

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Speaker 1: They seized power.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to bring on Aaron Cohen, national counter

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Speaker 2: terrorism expert, Israeli Special Operations veteran, and he can tell

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Speaker 1: Erin, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Good guys, Good guys.

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Speaker 6: How were you, my old I buddies. I hope you

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're great. Good to talk with you again. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: what is going to be the strategy for Israel to

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Speaker 5: Well, so here's what's happening right now. There's there's this

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Speaker 5: a multi pronged operation. Obviously there was an intelligence failure

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Speaker 5: this thing is going to take a minute. Israel's digging

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Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is going back to

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy six. Israel has a Tier one Special Operations

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Speaker 5: Sealed Team six would be the equivalent of British sas.

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Speaker 5: This is the unit that went to Teddy, Uganda on

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Speaker 5: the Sabina Airlines. In the same unit that was responsible

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Speaker 5: for all of the retribution operations against the Black September

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Speaker 5: terror group that that killed the Israeli hostages in Munich

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Speaker 5: depicted in Spielberg's movie Munich. This is a Tier one asset.

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Speaker 5: This unit right now is gearing up and getting ready

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Speaker 5: along with Israel's National Police Hostage Rescue unit, the AMOM,

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Speaker 5: which stands for you. This is one of the top

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Speaker 5: three counter terror units in the world. Everyone from seb

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Speaker 5: Here to La County to the German GSG nine Encounter

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Speaker 5: terror unit goes to Israel to train with these guys.

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Speaker 5: All they do is shoot, move, communicate, and they do

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Speaker 5: is straighter and faster than anybody. This unit just conducted

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Speaker 5: two separate operations this morning in the southern part of Israel.

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Speaker 5: One in the city of Opatin, which is located about

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Speaker 2: All right, Erin, thank you so much for talking to us.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Cohen, national counter terrorism expert and Israeli Special Operations

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you did, just miss our interview with

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Speaker 2: Aaron Cohen, form of Special Ops with Israel and counter

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Speaker 1: He's confident. That's good.

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Speaker 2: There's no nation on the world, at least in modern history,

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Speaker 7: have to worry about things that are going to be closed.

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Speaker 7: We wanted to have the full experience, and that's why

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Speaker 7: we chose next week.

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Speaker 1: So how does this work with your canceling everything?

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Speaker 8: Well, again, I don't want to be insensitive.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, the most important thing about this is people are

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Speaker 7: losing lives and and that that goes without saying. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: we're we're kind of we do have travel insurance and

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Speaker 7: the travel insurance. Now again, this is just somebody who

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Speaker 7: answered the phone and was kind of you know, reading

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Speaker 7: us kind of the the ins and outs of the contract,

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Speaker 7: but said that war is not covered, but terrorism is.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, we're trying to say, well, this is terrorism,

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Speaker 7: so we're trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 8: And then the tour company wants.

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Speaker 7: We I don't think the tour company is going to

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Speaker 7: give us a refund, wants to possibly possibly give us

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Speaker 7: a credit, but they're kind of arguing about that, saying

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Speaker 7: that it's high season in the Middle East and the

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Speaker 7: hotel rooms have been booked in Egypt and they're not

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Speaker 7: sure they're going to be able to get the credit back,

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Speaker 7: and it's turning into this whole ordeal. But again, I

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Speaker 7: just want to say, obviously that is way less important

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Speaker 7: than the real stuff that's happening.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, that part of it is kind.

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Speaker 1: And you've never been to Israel Jordan, you have no.

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Speaker 7: I have never been to that. Now, like I said,

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Speaker 7: We've been planning this for since January. So much has

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Speaker 7: gone into this, this trip. I mean, this was sort

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Speaker 7: of a trip of a lifetime. We were all looking so.

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Speaker 1: For me, you picked this is like the worst situation

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Speaker 1: in fifty years, I know, and you picked that.

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Speaker 8: I have the worst luck.

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Speaker 7: Remember I was supposed to go to Japan and then

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Speaker 7: the pandemic it right, and then when I was in

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Speaker 7: Scotland the Queen dies.

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Speaker 2: It's when you run the fear desk on the John

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Speaker 2: and Ken Show. So you were supposed to have your

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Speaker 2: tentacles out for you know, anything that could happen to you,

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Speaker 2: especially on trips.

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Speaker 1: This is why she's so afraid that her fears keep

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Speaker 1: coming true.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know what, honestly, I did have kind of it.

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Speaker 7: Remember I told you guys last week when we were

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Speaker 7: talking about the plane story and that some of these

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Speaker 7: parts or are on the on the planes right right,

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Speaker 7: safety saving right exactly. And I don't like flying, and

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Speaker 7: I just kind of had this weird feeling in my stomach.

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Speaker 7: I was a little nervous about flying to this area,

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Speaker 7: and not to mention it's a very very long flight.

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Speaker 8: And then when this.

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Speaker 7: Happened, I thought Okay, maybe that's.

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Speaker 8: Why I had that weird feeling in my stomach. You

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Speaker 8: know when you kind of know you have a premonition

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Speaker 8: of something. That's kind of how it felt.

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Speaker 1: You forgot getting COVID in Mexico too.

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Speaker 8: Oh that's right, thank you, Eric, that's right, I got No, you.

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Speaker 1: Got on the plane. Right. Well, I'm not traveling with you.

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Speaker 8: I don't blame you.

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Speaker 1: That is a short amount of time. Good lord. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I forgot about you killing the queen.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I killed the queen. Thanks, don't put that

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Speaker 8: out there.

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Speaker 2: They're now saying at least eleven Americans or among those dead,

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Speaker 2: and very likely US citizens are among the hostages. Hermas

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Speaker 2: has threaten to kill one prisoner for every Israeli airstrike.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll stay on top of this story. More

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Speaker 2: coming up. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty were live everywhere.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six.

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Speaker 1: We're on the radio one till four after four o'clock

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Speaker 1: Johnny can on demand podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep you up to date with all

509
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Speaker 2: of the latest happenings in Israel through a CAFEI News

510
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: and anything else we see, we'll talk about here on

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Speaker 2: the show that's happening coming up after two o'clock. We

512
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Speaker 2: have talked a lot lately when it comes to robberies,

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Speaker 2: smashing grabs, what have you. Some people are fighting back,

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Speaker 2: as you're aware, there was a convenience store that got

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Speaker 2: knocked over by a vagrant who kept coming back and

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Speaker 2: stealing stuff.

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Speaker 1: They eventually beat him with sticks.

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Speaker 2: Sad story at a West Colvina, a liquor store clerk

519
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Speaker 2: was actually killed trying to confront a couple of robbers.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring that story to you with KFI News is

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Speaker 2: Blake Trolley after the news at two o'clock, turning our

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Speaker 2: attention to the Biden family for a moment. And of

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Speaker 2: course Joe is not planning any speeches right now on

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Speaker 2: what's going on in Israel. Do you know when his

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Speaker 2: workday ended today?

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Speaker 1: No. Eleven forty six am Eastern time. The White House

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Speaker 1: announced that no public appearances for the rest of the day. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: eleven eleven forty six am, and Joe's tak taking a

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Speaker 1: long nap for the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: You would think with the Americans involved in this hostage

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Speaker 2: situation among the dead too that he would probably have

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Speaker 2: be taking a more active role publicly.

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Speaker 1: You notice he's hardly said a word. I really think

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Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where he's not capable. They

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Speaker 1: are they don't trust him to be out in public

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Speaker 1: speaking for any length of time, or even walking around.

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Speaker 2: They took a lot of flack over the weekend because

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Speaker 2: of that deal that they made with Iran to get

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Speaker 2: those hostages free involve freeing up a lot of Iranic

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Speaker 2: and assets to the tune of billions.

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Speaker 1: Ye, so that was really stupid. Really, you think Iran

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Speaker 1: as a country to take lightly and so try to

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Speaker 1: negotiate or kowtow too. And we don't have a speaker

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Speaker 1: of the house, so I don't know who's running any Well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Bidens, and you know

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Hunter Biden, have we not. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And of course there's a brother of Joe Biden's. What's

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Speaker 1: his name is he? Well, yes, he has several brothers,

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Speaker 1: but the one that supposed he was involved in the business,

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Speaker 1: Jim Biden. Yeah, Jim Biden is a chis Biden I

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Speaker 1: don't know as well, but his name is Frank Biden.

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Speaker 1: Frank He is nearing seventy years old, so he's about

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Speaker 1: ten years younger than Joe Biden, and he's in the news. Well,

554
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Speaker 1: similar to Hunter Biden. There's a nude picture of him

555
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Speaker 1: that showed up, but apparently it showed up on a

556
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Speaker 1: gay dating website, but it was uploaded to guys with iPhones.

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Speaker 1: Actually happened in twenty eighteen, but the story's just coming

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Speaker 1: to light now. Frank Biden has a long term female partner,

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Speaker 1: you know, sixty four at the time. Must be an

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Speaker 1: interesting dinner tonight. Yeah. The Daily Mail actually talked to

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Speaker 1: him and he says, that's me, but I didn't post

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Speaker 1: it there.

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Speaker 2: In fact, story goes that a lot of the pictures

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Speaker 2: posted there are not done there by the people who

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Speaker 2: are nude in the photo. It's either done as a

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Speaker 2: prank or some other way to get back at somebody.

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Speaker 1: Right, But he says, I have no comment. I could

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Speaker 1: care less. I haven't even looked at it. But there

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Speaker 1: he must have hacked my phone. But okay, But then

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Speaker 1: he has nude photos of himself in the Yes.

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Speaker 2: He said that was private between Nindy and me, the

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Speaker 2: woman he's in a relationship with. There are some couples

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Speaker 2: that do nude selfies and.

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Speaker 1: Seventy years old, and he's sending nude photos to his girlfriend. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because sometimes when people are away or you know, apart

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Speaker 1: for a while, they want to just share this. No,

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Speaker 1: he's standing in front of an open toilet, which is

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Speaker 1: not exactly Oh oh yeah, right, seven year old man

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Speaker 1: in front of an open toilet. Wow, that's wearing nothing

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Speaker 1: but a hat.

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Speaker 7: That's sexy.

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Speaker 1: It's got a baseball cap on.

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Speaker 8: And glasses o glasses.

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Speaker 1: He was sixty four at the time. Systerical old man

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Speaker 1: with a hat in front of a toilet. Hey, look

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Speaker 1: what I got. It's just not innident. The Daily Mail

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Speaker 1: must have stunned him a bit because he says, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I really didn't want to start my day

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Speaker 1: off this way, and I definitely didn't post it anywhere, So,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't get this. How come everybody

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Speaker 1: who's found UH in an embarrassing, compromising situation like this

592
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Speaker 1: always says they were hacked. Well, it does happen, though,

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Speaker 1: I mean celebrities have been hacked and their nude selfies

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Speaker 1: have been distributed. I mean, it does happen. I don't

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Speaker 1: I think the hacker experts do go after somebody that

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Speaker 1: they could either have more fun with or even get

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Speaker 1: some money out of. Right, wouldn't they go after wealthy

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Speaker 1: or would you more connected with people? Yeah, but if

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Speaker 1: you were looking for embarrassing, Oh my god, I just

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Speaker 1: looked at the photo. Oh ox, he's in pretty could

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Speaker 1: shape for a sixty four year old man. But he

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Speaker 1: looks like he just finished. There was an earlier you

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Speaker 1: know what I saw the Daily Mail. Because this is

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Speaker 1: like the top, you could see it more handline.

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Speaker 2: Well, the version that I think they they did extra pixelating,

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Speaker 2: because the version I saw this morning, I could tell

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Speaker 2: he was at attention. I think somebody must have noticed

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Speaker 2: that and told the editors you got to pixelate that

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Speaker 2: even some more.

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Speaker 1: Actually, the pixelation is pretty large in the picture. He'd

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Speaker 1: be extended quite a bit. Yeah. If this pixelation pixelating

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Speaker 1: they did this morning was a little lighter, so you

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Speaker 1: could kind of see something going on there. Guys with

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Speaker 1: iPhones describes itself as powered by a love for hot

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Speaker 1: men who appreciate the finer gadgets in life. So he's

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Speaker 1: taken a photo of himself through the mirror.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what he's doing, right, right. That's that.

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Speaker 2: That family's a bunch of weirdos, isn't it. I mean, Hunter,

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Speaker 2: we've seen all the nude photos of him with the

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Speaker 2: crack and the prostitutes, Joe runs around, sniff and little

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Speaker 2: Garrett girl's hair.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a pattern here. I mean, do you have

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Speaker 1: any uncles take nude photos of themselves and pass them around?

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Speaker 1: I did, well, a lot of my uncles had passed away.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't something that people did with selfies back wasn't.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't something people did. Well, they didn't. There's no

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Speaker 1: there was no iPhones with selfies back then. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know you can take polaroids hold on, hold

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Speaker 1: but old camera, right, hey, Krick, polaroid from the hold

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Speaker 1: you on? And it's on a gay site. You know,

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Speaker 1: anything's possible, all right.

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Speaker 2: When we returned, we're gonna be talking to Blake Trolley

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Speaker 2: KFI News about this terrible story out of West Colvina.

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Speaker 1: A liquor store clerk apparently confronted a couple of robbers

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Speaker 1: and he lost his life. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty

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Speaker 1: listening to The John and Ken Show. You can always

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