Speaker 1: Late round power. Let's talk to the pros. Welcome in
Speaker 1: everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy Baseball Podcast.
Speaker 1: It is be Joey p joe Pisapia, and today we're
Speaker 1: going to take a look at the late round sluggers.
Speaker 1: That's right. Everybody likes power on their teams, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't want to pay for it. You want a
Speaker 1: little bit of a discount, So we're going to give
Speaker 1: that to you today. Looking at some of the players
Speaker 1: outside the top two hundred ADP that fit that bill.
Speaker 1: We've gone pretty deep on some of these names. Some
Speaker 1: will be familiar, maybe a few still we have to
Speaker 1: sell you on. But regardless, these are the top twenty guys.
Speaker 1: We've each made a list of ten. And joining me
Speaker 1: today on the show as always my good friend the
Speaker 1: Welsh Chris Welsh. He has got his sexy voice to
Speaker 1: today because he's a little under the weather, but to me,
Speaker 1: that makes the show all the more appealing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good if it's a little sexy voice. A
Speaker 2: little bit deeper everybody.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yes, this is my co host Tom Waits. For
Speaker 1: the next hour. Now, it's not even going to be
Speaker 1: that long, folks. It will want to be an hour show.
Speaker 2: Can we talk some sluggers though? Please?
Speaker 1: Like the Snuggers and the ADP. I love Tom. Tom
Speaker 1: Waite should do a sports podcast now that I think
Speaker 1: about it, and maybe I'm dating myself with the.
Speaker 2: Tom Wains, I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: What do you think of JD. Martinez? He's classic. I
Speaker 1: think he's timeless. But anyway, let's get to some of
Speaker 1: these names on the list before we do. Just a
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Speaker 1: because the board in January is going to evolve into
Speaker 1: February and you're gonna see some of these names start
Speaker 1: to change. So it's good to start preparing again an
Speaker 1: idea of where some of those ADPs are. And speaking
Speaker 1: of those ADPs, let's kick off with Welsh's number ten.
Speaker 1: Outside the top two hundred, where you might find a
Speaker 1: little bit of pop.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this guy, I think in
Speaker 2: the last couple episodes, and when you're looking outside the
Speaker 2: top two hundred ADP, there's some interesting names. There's some
Speaker 2: really good hitters. Overall. I'm not the biggest on this guy,
Speaker 2: but if we are going to make any definition of
Speaker 2: like sluggers looking for fifteen or more homers post two hundred,
Speaker 2: I do think it is still hard to deny kateell
Speaker 2: Marte Fantasy Pros ADP, which I just want to shout
Speaker 2: out there is not a lot of ADP out there.
Speaker 2: There is NFBC ADP, which is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a different beast. ESPN just opened their product. It's a product.
Speaker 2: I guess, it's a thing. We just did a mock up, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I want to point out something I
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Speaker 1: But continue on about my hatred. Yes, I'd like to
Speaker 1: hear more.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, Well, and also, like these sites, projections
Speaker 2: are wild, so it was good to kind of stabilize
Speaker 2: it with Fantasy Pro. So I just wanted to throw
Speaker 2: that out there as well, but they don't have ADP,
Speaker 2: and so I just want to point out it is
Speaker 2: great that there is ADP information out there on Fantasy Pros.
Speaker 2: You can just type in A good thing to do
Speaker 2: is you know Fantasy Pros Baseball ADP, and it'll pop
Speaker 2: up and you can start to take a look. And
Speaker 2: one of those that jumps out is kateel Marte, and
Speaker 2: Katel's offensive upside seems a little bit staggered right now.
Speaker 2: But what I would say this, it's always hard it.
Speaker 2: Bat X projections have him at eighteen homers. He's touched
Speaker 2: thirty before. He's going to be the number three hitter
Speaker 2: for Arizona, which is going to be a little bit sneaky,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna get fifteen plus homer power from him
Speaker 2: with I think more potential upside and more RBI and
Speaker 2: it's post two hundred Fantasy Pros current ADP two twelve
Speaker 2: that you can get him right now. So you want
Speaker 2: to talk about some late sluggers, maybe this isn't the
Speaker 2: traditional slugger. This is a really good homer value of
Speaker 2: fifteen plus post two hundred.
Speaker 1: At a really crappy position, by the way, and he
Speaker 1: just actually showed up on our previous list, which is
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. Where you are not a huge fan.
Speaker 1: Yet here we are, and it just goes to show
Speaker 1: you we're all about business here on the show. It's
Speaker 1: not about personal preference. It's about winning. That's it.
Speaker 2: That guy that's my guy, by the way, on my team,
Speaker 2: like I want to vote for I want to root
Speaker 2: for him. His value is what makes him so exponentially
Speaker 2: interesting right now compared to where you ever had to
Speaker 2: pay for him.
Speaker 1: Now, the next guy on my list, number ten, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe a guy who you want on your fantasy team,
Speaker 1: but you don't want inner fantasy league. It's Jock Peterson.
Speaker 1: That's right. You want Jack Peterson for that little bit
Speaker 1: of extra power that he provides. Last year twenty three homers.
Speaker 1: Right now, the current ADP of Jock Peterson is sitting
Speaker 1: around two twenty four to twenty five depending on the hour,
Speaker 1: and look left handed power bat, he is just thirty.
Speaker 1: I think people forget that. You know, it's been around
Speaker 1: so long. Last year at two forty seven ISO. You
Speaker 1: look at his high water mark for home runs, it
Speaker 1: was thirty six just in twenty nineteen with the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: and you know, going back here with the San Francisco
Speaker 1: Giants last year. To me it's all about playing time
Speaker 1: for him. One hundred and thirty seven games in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one combined with two teams one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: four last year, there's no reason not to think that
Speaker 1: he is going to be, you know, somewhere around that
Speaker 1: mark as well. The thing with Peterson is they do
Speaker 1: come in bunches, which makes him a tough sell in
Speaker 1: any head to head format. But in this roto season
Speaker 1: long you set it and forget it. I think it's
Speaker 1: at least a minimum of twenty five in that range,
Speaker 1: with upside for more, especially since you know, I think
Speaker 1: when you go out you bring in another bat like Canfordo,
Speaker 1: who we're going to talk about in the second I
Speaker 1: might as well just talk about because he's my number nine.
Speaker 1: Confordo is another guy at two thirty three who I
Speaker 1: think also fits that bill. My concern is a slow
Speaker 1: start for Conforida, who did not play all of last
Speaker 1: season with injury for the New York Mets us with
Speaker 1: the shoulder surgery. Nobody signed him, so a year off
Speaker 1: is a little concerning. If he has a regular offseason
Speaker 1: at this point, and he was healthy at the end
Speaker 1: of last year, some teams were considering signing him. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that you know some around twenty eight
Speaker 1: and a half home runs is kind of his average
Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. Is a great opportunity.
Speaker 1: Both these guys left headed sluggers, so there might be
Speaker 1: some stretches where they're facing tough lefties and those head
Speaker 1: to head formats with daily transactions, you might want to
Speaker 1: pull them out. But overall, I think if you draft
Speaker 1: these two guys in San Francisco, you have a good
Speaker 1: chance to probably get fifty plus homers between the two
Speaker 1: of them. And I do believe that even if Canforida
Speaker 1: is a slow starter, this is a player that if
Speaker 1: you don't draft him, you could certainly try four two.
Speaker 1: Give me your number nine guy Welsh on your list
Speaker 1: of late round sluggers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another guy I think is just a
Speaker 2: really good value right now. If you're looking at again
Speaker 2: another position that isn't great. Second base is in great,
Speaker 2: third base isn't great. He's got an ADP. This is
Speaker 2: in the higher two hundreds of two point fifteen, though
Speaker 2: on Fantasy pros it's Josh Young with the Texas Rangers.
Speaker 2: Josh Young hit five homers last year and around twenty
Speaker 2: six games, missed a ton of time. This is a
Speaker 2: big power bat, a big contact bat that gets into power.
Speaker 2: It's kind of reminiscent of like I always use Goldie
Speaker 2: as a gold standard of players, no pun intended of
Speaker 2: like dudes that you know, tap into power that are
Speaker 2: not trying to. That's kind of how Josh Young is.
Speaker 2: Also a little bit faster current projections Steamers at nineteen,
Speaker 2: bad x is at seventeen. This is only over one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty games if they're building an injury. If
Speaker 2: there's not, and you get a whole full one fifty
Speaker 2: out of him, you're looking at twenty plus across the
Speaker 2: board at not a good position. One of the better
Speaker 2: young bats that still exist out there, and that would
Speaker 2: be vying for Rookie of the Year. You know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about Henderson and Corbyn, Carroll and all those guys,
Speaker 2: but don't forget Josh Young is still technically rookie eligible
Speaker 2: and he'll be one of those guys that gets full
Speaker 2: season run on probably a pretty good team. So I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not a big anti Josh Young guy. You know,
Speaker 2: the big outlier is he struck out thirty eight percent
Speaker 2: of the time in major leagues and twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: of the time in Triple A.
Speaker 1: This year.
Speaker 2: He had never gone twenty three percent of the time
Speaker 2: in his entire career, and we talked about it. He
Speaker 2: just missed so much time. There was so much time
Speaker 2: that was missed in there, so good contact bat tapping
Speaker 2: into power. Showed the power at the major leagues even
Speaker 2: with the strikeout rate. I think he's going to be
Speaker 2: twenty plus and he's post two hundred on Fantasy Pros
Speaker 2: ADP and.
Speaker 1: Is a good thing. We like that. Next on my list,
Speaker 1: he is an ADP of two thirty five. So, as
Speaker 1: you can see, in this kind of two twenty to
Speaker 1: two forty range, there's some bats here that you get
Speaker 1: get some pretty good value on if you're looking for
Speaker 1: some utility bats or some outfield depth. This next guy
Speaker 1: is corner guy Tristan Cassis of the Boston Red Sox,
Speaker 1: now again just twenty three years old, so this is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reach. I think fifteen is
Speaker 1: in his grasp as long as he keeps his job
Speaker 1: and plays every day in the Boston Red Sox at
Speaker 1: this point have no reason not to do that. And
Speaker 1: continue to turn the page and look to the future
Speaker 1: because they are not quite a contender this year. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't care where anybody's trying to sell
Speaker 1: me on this Mondesty trade, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that's going to be the cure all for the Boston
Speaker 1: Red Sox.
Speaker 2: Because that's not the guy.
Speaker 1: And left handed power in Fenway Park traditionally a good thing.
Speaker 1: So you look at you know this Lugan percentage four
Speaker 1: eighty five in the minor leagues. But again a young player.
Speaker 1: This is a kid drafted out of high school, so
Speaker 1: you know this is a guy that will continuously grow
Speaker 1: into that power. So I think fifteen is a good baseline,
Speaker 1: but I do think twenty is possible if things break right,
Speaker 1: maybe a strong second half, maybe some strong work at
Speaker 1: home in those splits. That's something to pay attention to.
Speaker 1: This is a player too, I think you pay a
Speaker 1: lot of attention to in those daily transaction formats where
Speaker 1: you're putting guys in out of lineups. If you think
Speaker 1: it's a good matchup or if he's on a hot strike,
Speaker 1: you play him. If he's not, you sit him. But regardless,
Speaker 1: I think this is a player of talent. This is
Speaker 1: a player they're trying to build the future with. So
Speaker 1: even if he does struggle, kind of like Kansas City
Speaker 1: with Bobby Witt last year, just leave him alone, leave
Speaker 1: him alone, let him figure it out, give him the
Speaker 1: confidence to continue on, and I think if everything breaks right,
Speaker 1: he can get over that twenty mark. You think I'm
Speaker 1: reaching here, No, I would have had him on my list.
Speaker 2: I would have had him on my list had you
Speaker 2: not put him on here, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Look, see we do him higher too. We don't care
Speaker 1: what the draft wizard says.
Speaker 2: I actually want to point out I would have had
Speaker 2: him higher than you have him on this list had
Speaker 2: you not picked him, I probably would have put him
Speaker 2: at like five or you know, four or five on
Speaker 2: this list.
Speaker 1: Well, the only reason is, you know, with the young players,
Speaker 1: we do get that thing where we get excited they
Speaker 1: come up there and then they just flatline. And that is,
Speaker 1: as my friend Derek Brown likes to say, in the
Speaker 1: range of outcomes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the range of outcomes, we're also talking
Speaker 2: about guys that are post two hundred, post three hundred.
Speaker 2: These are players that are immense values. And this is
Speaker 2: what this round in these rounds sometimes consist of questionable
Speaker 2: playing time around young players, are un proven young players,
Speaker 2: and then kind of stinky veterans, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like the adom de All's of the world and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So you've got to take your shot. So, yes,
Speaker 2: there's a wide range of outcomes that exist with these guys,
Speaker 2: But if you're looking to hit a home run, these
Speaker 2: are the type of guys that get you there, especially
Speaker 2: these young bats that people are just you know, there's
Speaker 2: prospect fatigue, they're not quite sold on completely. Tristan Cassas
Speaker 2: is the prime example. I think of his conversation.
Speaker 1: Love it all right, So Tristan Cassis, guy, we both
Speaker 1: endorsed two thirty five ADP number eight on my list.
Speaker 1: Let's go to number eight on your list? Who is it? Uh?
Speaker 1: This one?
Speaker 2: It's not a cheat. I'm not trying to completely cheat here,
Speaker 2: though I was trying to cheat behind the scenes with Joe.
Speaker 2: I kept being like, can I get this guy who's
Speaker 2: not quite a slugger blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Guy and he's you know, he's one ninety nine or
Speaker 1: defined slugger.
Speaker 2: Slugger was more of the question because I think there's
Speaker 2: there's some good value hitters, and one of them at
Speaker 2: a throw out to you is not a traditional classical slugger,
Speaker 2: but it is Oswald Perros with the New York Yankees.
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of reasons behind this. Ooswalt Parraza is,
Speaker 2: for all intentsive purpose, is going to be given the
Speaker 2: gig in New York. He has a chance to lose it.
Speaker 2: He has a chance. Obviously, he's been given the opportunity
Speaker 2: to take it. What's interesting about him in the miners
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two hit nineteen homers with thirty three
Speaker 2: stolen bases in ninety nine games, comes up to the majors.
Speaker 2: Hits a homer, a couple stolen bases, hits three hundred,
Speaker 2: No big deal set to play this year, projections if
Speaker 2: you go and look, he'll only be seven homers, ten
Speaker 2: stolen bases or eight homers ten stolen bases, depending what
Speaker 2: projection system you look at. But the games are in
Speaker 2: the sixties seventies, so if he is a full time
Speaker 2: player this year, projections all but guarantee. He is a
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty guy, little bit of a smaller build
Speaker 2: type of player, six foot two hundred at shortstop. But
Speaker 2: he's got a big power swing and I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if he tapped into twenty, especially in New York's environment.
Speaker 2: But if we can define sluggers at fifteen, you're also
Speaker 2: going to get a little bit of a sneak. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get the sneak, you get the stee sneak. And
Speaker 2: maybe about batting average exactly. And guess what the biggest
Speaker 2: thing I didn't tell you on his ADP four forty
Speaker 2: four on NFBC. Yeah, and if no, I'm sorry, Fantasy
Speaker 2: pros ADP NFBC is probably way way lower. And this
Speaker 2: is the potential New York Yankees shortstop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, Yankees have some talent coming through. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. I got to watch because now the
Speaker 1: local affiliate here fifteen minutes from my house turned over.
Speaker 1: Used to be the Independent League Summerset Patriots. Now they're
Speaker 1: the Double A Yankee. So I got to see Vulpi
Speaker 1: a few times playing personal.
Speaker 2: You and I chatted about when you got to see Vulpe.
Speaker 2: He had home run the.
Speaker 1: DAYO was there, Actually no, he hit a ball off
Speaker 1: the wall that should have been a home run the
Speaker 1: day I was there in a in a park that
Speaker 1: didn't have a wall that was five hundred feet high.
Speaker 1: But very impressive player too. This one is impressive. Also.
Speaker 1: They've got the Jason Demingez. People are polarized on him
Speaker 1: what they think of him, But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: makings of another, you know, turnover into the Yankees, and
Speaker 1: that's going to be fascinting to see just how fast
Speaker 1: that happens and what the need is for that, because look,
Speaker 1: you could see some of these guys at major league
Speaker 1: level continuing to be okay or glaber Tours. Does he
Speaker 1: revert back to bad glabor tores this year? Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the trade him there.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of trade rumors around here.
Speaker 1: They could look. I give Cashman credit. How he's been
Speaker 1: GM this long in that organization is stunning to me.
Speaker 1: In New York in that city. Well, and without winning,
Speaker 1: that also matters, but you know, they put a good
Speaker 1: product on the field. It is all the matter. They
Speaker 1: haven't won the big one, but they do win a lot.
Speaker 1: That's the difference.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, what do they do convinced Baseball
Speaker 2: to give those cheat balls to Aaron Judge for the
Speaker 2: home runner. I mean, they've done some really good selling
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Jude, that's a good thing. I mean, heck, I could
Speaker 1: use some of those right now. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to the next guy on my list. Number seven. It's
Speaker 1: Lane Thomas, outfielder of the Washington Nationals. Now, this is
Speaker 1: a volume play Boys and Girls. I don't love Lane Thomas.
Speaker 1: I'm not completely buying what I saw last year with
Speaker 1: the seventeen home runs. But can he get you fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty again this year? I think the answer is yes.
Speaker 1: Is it going to come with a two forty batting average? Probably,
Speaker 1: Like you know, that's probably what we're looking at here.
Speaker 1: But when you're looking at the guys who and roster
Speaker 1: resource has him hitting at the top of the lineup
Speaker 1: right now in Washington, when you have the extra at bats,
Speaker 1: when you have the extra moments, there sometimes that volume.
Speaker 1: You know, just like in baseball and football, the same thing,
Speaker 1: volume can be king so getting more opportunities in those
Speaker 1: head in those season long rotal leagues where you're looking
Speaker 1: to compile a bit, players like this who are very
Speaker 1: cheap are worth a look at that. He is right
Speaker 1: now the ADP of two sixty one there's some players
Speaker 1: going after him that I think are better players that
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about. But this is another one
Speaker 1: where I think it's more of a volume play than anything.
Speaker 1: For me. I'm curious. What are your thoughts on Lane
Speaker 1: Thomas real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always liked I mean, Lane is one of
Speaker 2: those when he gets to lead off, you know, if
Speaker 2: he's put in that position again, it's just sneaky runs
Speaker 2: actually talk to when he needs to play with the Cardinals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's like a you know, a low end
Speaker 2: homer guy that's going to get I think he has
Speaker 2: the potential to be at up words of a solid
Speaker 2: three category player, maybe pushes four, and it just depends
Speaker 2: where you're going to step off from. I like this one.
Speaker 2: I like that you did it because I think he
Speaker 2: fits more like my Oswealt Parrazza, where this is not
Speaker 2: a traditional slugger. This is a good hitter that my
Speaker 2: tap into fifteen homers later in rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he is over at let's see three seventy
Speaker 1: seven where he's at right now. So I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a pretty darn good value there at that moment.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the next guy on your
Speaker 1: list who's number seven for some late round sluggin.
Speaker 2: So I've got some trends here, and I'm gonna throw
Speaker 2: a lot of these younger guys out here because you're
Speaker 2: getting big adp values and this one isn't immense unless
Speaker 2: he's starting. And we're in this really weird space right now.
Speaker 2: It's funny enough. I'm gonna be doing a rookie panel
Speaker 2: more for twenty fourteen on our Friends of Our Pitcher
Speaker 2: list for Pitchcon.
Speaker 1: Also be appearing on Pitchcon on Friday me and I'm
Speaker 1: doing a panel there. I'm the host between a fight
Speaker 1: between Nick Pop like an Ino Saris regarding pitchers, I've
Speaker 1: heard of those. I don't know if they're they're new
Speaker 1: to the baseball world, but there.
Speaker 2: Should be a good time. They're blessed.
Speaker 1: I believe it's two o'clock or three o'clock. I got
Speaker 1: a look Will starting over. Yours is a check show.
Speaker 2: You can go.
Speaker 1: Ba's why I'm treating.
Speaker 2: To play Yours is what time is it at Friday?
Speaker 1: Win It is two o'clock, two o'clock Eastern.
Speaker 2: No gouy sh'll be top twenty four hours from we're
Speaker 2: recording this, but we're going to be talking about twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four rookies, and I've got a couple of people
Speaker 2: doing it. I'm hosting that. But my point is is
Speaker 2: we're in this space right now where we've got these
Speaker 2: rookies that we just are waiting for teams to make
Speaker 2: full commitments, and that's why their ADPs are too low.
Speaker 2: And that is why Miguel Vargas is too low right now.
Speaker 2: He has a two eighty one ADP. There's a couple
Speaker 2: other guys we're going to talk about. If the team
Speaker 2: made the commitment, people would start going all in, but
Speaker 2: they haven't. Miguel Vargus has been working at second base.
Speaker 2: He's a guy that could play third, first, outfield. There
Speaker 2: are positions open. I have a hard time believing the
Speaker 2: Dodgers are going to start the season with Trey Thompson
Speaker 2: in the outfield. That's me though, And.
Speaker 1: Are a lot of questions to answer to his luck's
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy, like they.
Speaker 2: Have a lot there's a lot of doubtman.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, They've got a lot of explaining
Speaker 1: to do before we get to opening day, A lot
Speaker 1: of esplaining today exactly.
Speaker 2: But Miguel Vargas is a very, very probably one of
Speaker 2: the most patient, better contact hitters here sub twenty K rate.
Speaker 2: Like his entire minor leagues, he came up in the majors,
Speaker 2: played a little bit, hit a homer. Projections around a
Speaker 2: hundred games ish are already at like the thirteen to
Speaker 2: fourteen marker. If he plays a full season, he is
Speaker 2: twenty plus. This will be one of those guys that's
Speaker 2: in the Rookie of the Year race if he's there,
Speaker 2: and I think he's a really good value. This is
Speaker 2: one of those rookies I want to take a bet
Speaker 2: on because the Dodgers have positions open and they want
Speaker 2: to push. He is one of the reasons why Justin
Speaker 2: Turner is not back, why they didn't go make some
Speaker 2: big splashes, is because they've got Miguel Vargas and they
Speaker 2: want to get him out there. It'll be a testament
Speaker 2: if Trey Thompson and James Outman play over mcgl vargas
Speaker 2: and he sent to the miners. I don't believe that's
Speaker 2: going to happen. And Miguel Vargas is an easy fifteen
Speaker 2: plus homer potential slugger and he's almost around three hundred
Speaker 2: on ADP.
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Speaker 1: the action. All right, next guy on my list for
Speaker 1: number six. I'm just a sucker for Trey Mancini to
Speaker 1: sixty nine ADP overall right now, and look, Trey Mancini
Speaker 1: is on the Cubs now, and I think a lock
Speaker 1: in a good ballpark once again to go over that
Speaker 1: twenty home run. Mark like to me, like you can.
Speaker 1: You can set your watch to Tray Mancinia. Is he
Speaker 1: going to go back to the thirty five days in
Speaker 1: Baltimore and the height of Camden Yards? Probably not, But
Speaker 1: Chicago can be a really good hitters ballpark, a very
Speaker 1: good home run friendly ballpark, especially in the summertime. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like here. It's funny that the
Speaker 1: lineup itself Welsh. This is kind of a take as
Speaker 1: I was looking at it here on roster resources we're
Speaker 1: doing the show. The Cubs lineup looks like if you
Speaker 1: were in a salary cap draft and you set your
Speaker 1: auto to I only want to spend a moderate amount,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly the roster of the Chicago Cubs. Do
Speaker 1: you do you agree with this this opening gay roster?
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like it like, are you stuck
Speaker 2: around now? You stuck around to buy danceby Swanson, but
Speaker 2: then something happened and you had to leave, and then.
Speaker 1: Other kid had a soccer game or something came up.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I have Eric Costmer and Trainment.
Speaker 1: Like it's like Nika Horner, Suzuki, you know, Cody Bellinger.
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, it's like okay, like Tucker Barney,
Speaker 1: like oh okay, Like these guys are all okay, but
Speaker 1: nothing or or low or less than okay rosterable. But
Speaker 1: it totally has the feel of I said it, something
Speaker 1: happened and had to get auto picked, but not in
Speaker 1: a not in a snake draft, specifically a salary cap draft,
Speaker 1: because well, you know, we could see like people didn't
Speaker 1: want to bid up some of these guys, so you
Speaker 1: just got them at their regular price.
Speaker 2: Let me throw this out to you because my number
Speaker 2: six is also a Chicago cub and it's the same
Speaker 2: vein of what we've been talking about, and it's Matt
Speaker 2: Nervis Matt Murvis there.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Nervos because he's farther down the
Speaker 1: trophy or was he three something here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? His ADP I just went away from it is
Speaker 2: a three ninety five way down there. But I almost
Speaker 2: had Tremancini on this as well, because those two are
Speaker 2: going to be the future. Hosmer is the great equalizer here.
Speaker 2: You know how much of a team leaders are going
Speaker 2: to be. They can jump off the commitment. Matt Mrvos
Speaker 2: has to have a great spring. But let's get back
Speaker 2: to this conversation of sluggers with value pending. The format
Speaker 2: that you're playing in is probably dependent on like the
Speaker 2: risks and the shots you take and how many players
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But Matt Murrays got a three
Speaker 2: ninety five ADP right now and for right reasons because
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a gig. But even projections that have
Speaker 2: not made any adjustments, maybe is fifteen plus homers in
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen games. So if he gets out
Speaker 2: there and gets games in, he's going to hit homers.
Speaker 2: This team is going to have a very difficult time
Speaker 2: not letting him get a pats this year. The guy
Speaker 2: pushed up to Triple A. He played in the Fall League.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit older. It's time in some capacity,
Speaker 2: so he'll be there. When he's there. He will hit moonshots.
Speaker 2: It's what he does. I've got video of them on
Speaker 2: my Twitter at is it the Welsh if you want
Speaker 2: to see them. It's a beautiful home run swing. You know,
Speaker 2: all the same stuff. Again, he decreased the strike up
Speaker 2: percentage at every level. He was increasing his batting average.
Speaker 2: His ISO is a big power hitter. Even if he
Speaker 2: gets eighty games in this year, he might push fifteen homers.
Speaker 2: So post four hundred if you're in a deep league,
Speaker 2: if you're in a draft and hold, yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: guy you look at for maybe Otherwise you just pay
Speaker 2: attention to him in season for waiver wire. If he
Speaker 2: doesn't make the roster he sent to Triple A. He
Speaker 2: someone should be top priority on the April list. But
Speaker 2: he is a late slugger that is probably gonna put.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he will push fifteen homers if he
Speaker 2: plays eighty plus games.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask you, what's the number to
Speaker 1: get to fifteen homers. It's got to be like eighty
Speaker 1: five games. Is that your number? One hundred games?
Speaker 2: Let's just go broke and let's say eighty eighty games.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get He's gonna hit fifteen homers.
Speaker 1: Like it all right? So Matt Murvis on Welsh's list, Okay,
Speaker 1: next guy on my list, number five, who were in
Speaker 1: the top five out. Very exciting.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: This is a player that I was not excited about
Speaker 1: last year. I hated this trade last year. I was
Speaker 1: very vocal about it. I have zero shares last year
Speaker 1: of Jesse Winker. Not this year. Not this year. I
Speaker 1: am back on the Jesse Winker bandwagon. You know why
Speaker 1: because the ADP is now to eighty nine, that's why.
Speaker 1: And he's in Milwaukee, a very home run friendly ballpark.
Speaker 1: So you go to Seattle leaving Cincinnati. I did not
Speaker 1: like that at all. I thought there was a terrible
Speaker 1: situation there. Now he's in the Milwaukee Brewer situation. Probably
Speaker 1: gonna hit third or maybe fifth in that lineup. Different projections,
Speaker 1: they'll show you different spots. I would not be shocked
Speaker 1: if he ended up hitting in the three spot. But
Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity to get back to the
Speaker 1: National League Central Division. He's familiar with travel patterns are
Speaker 1: familiar with. But you know, and I know, Milwaukee good
Speaker 1: place to hit home runs. That's why Christian Yelwich's last
Speaker 1: two years are so depressing. But I will say this now,
Speaker 1: he is such a value Welsh. I will be back in.
Speaker 1: He has his deficits, There's no doubt about that. Winker
Speaker 1: is not a player that I loved, you know, and
Speaker 1: would always go, yeah, Jesse Winker. I want this guy
Speaker 1: on my team all these years. When he broke out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and was an All Star,
Speaker 1: look it seemed as though he had really changed a lot,
Speaker 1: and then the second half not quite as much. But
Speaker 1: I gave him the benefit of doubt because you can't
Speaker 1: sustain the path he was on for an entire season.
Speaker 1: That's just something that's Ted williams Y kind of stuff
Speaker 1: where you're, you know, hitting three eighty first ce. That
Speaker 1: stuff's not gonna happen. But I was really down on
Speaker 1: where his ADP went to with the player he told
Speaker 1: us he was and showed us he was in the
Speaker 1: minor leagues and in the Cincinnati red system. Barring that
Speaker 1: one great season, it was way too expensive last year.
Speaker 1: Now it might be way too cheap. That's my thoughts
Speaker 1: on Jesse Winker. And I think he's a lock to
Speaker 1: hit twenty. You know.
Speaker 2: Also, there were so many questions around his work ethic,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that is going to be something
Speaker 2: a player like him is going to want to touch on.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of Padre's work ethic questions that
Speaker 2: were put out there that I'm kind of in. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of in. I think he's an outfield stinks And
Speaker 2: we just did a draft bean Bagman did, was itl
Speaker 2: And Jesse Winker was one of those guys when outfield
Speaker 2: gets away from you, there's a handful of players you
Speaker 2: start being like, I gotta get this, I gotta make
Speaker 2: this work real quick. And Jesse Winker is one of
Speaker 2: those players. Because of the offensive potential in that line.
Speaker 1: Well, ATC's got him at nineteen home runs projection right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big projection guy, but that's the highest
Speaker 1: of all the groupings. But nobody's got him less than sixteen.
Speaker 1: And I think that's absolutely right, like the twenty four
Speaker 1: and but I think fifteen to twenty is absolutely in
Speaker 1: his range. But because it's Milwaukee, and because if you
Speaker 1: look at some of the bottom feeding pitching teams, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be playing Cincinnati, he's going to be playing Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing somebody, say the Chicago Cubs. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of great pitching in those organizations you're
Speaker 1: going against. Most of the great pitching happens to be
Speaker 1: on his own team of the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, just from the standpoint of looking at what he's
Speaker 1: got in terms of an everyday look when they're playing
Speaker 1: in Division, I think there's real opportunity for the higher
Speaker 1: end of this projection where ATC is the nineteen or
Speaker 1: twenty than necessarily the seventeen or sixteen that you see
Speaker 1: in other spots. Well, let's get to another one of
Speaker 1: your names in the top five, who is it.
Speaker 2: This one is gonna another. It's it's along this line
Speaker 2: of list and it might get people a little bit scared.
Speaker 2: Spencer Torkelsen. I'm gonna go back to Spencer Torclsen.
Speaker 1: Hall's coming from inside the house, Welsh.
Speaker 2: I hear it to seventy nine EIGHTYP to seventy nine EIGHTYP.
Speaker 2: Spencer Turklsen had an atrocious year last year in the majors.
Speaker 2: We know that he hit two oh three the positive
Speaker 2: though he had a sub twenty five percent k rate.
Speaker 2: He almost had a double digit walk rate one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten games, just did not make the contact he
Speaker 2: needed eight homers. Now there's a lot of abated what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen with Detroit. Now they're bringing in the walls,
Speaker 2: but they're also raising them, so they're raising them up
Speaker 2: like fifteen feet and they're bringing them a pretty significant amount.
Speaker 2: It's almost becoming softball range. So what is that going
Speaker 2: to do? And who's gonna benefit? I believe this is
Speaker 2: a benefit to Spencer Torkolsen. This is a guy that
Speaker 2: is going to be able to launch the ball in
Speaker 2: the air a season removed. I don't believe this is
Speaker 2: going to be a nothing guy. I really do believe
Speaker 2: he can return. And you know what projections are kind
Speaker 2: of in that they see a batting average around two
Speaker 2: thirty five on the bat X, which is solid compared
Speaker 2: to two oh three, and ATC has got him at fifteen.
Speaker 2: Bat X has got him at sixteen and this is
Speaker 2: around one hundred and thirty games. He's gonna play the
Speaker 2: full season. He's committed. I think a year removed from
Speaker 2: that rookie year, you're going to see adjustments. I like
Speaker 2: Tony Homers out of Spencer Toorkosen. I like the bounce back.
Speaker 2: This is not Jared Kelnick. And I know it's really
Speaker 2: easy to start pairing these guys up. If they're not good,
Speaker 2: they're Klnick in Adele, that's all that they can be.
Speaker 2: And if they're good at all, they're Julio. And it's
Speaker 2: not the case. There's a middle ground in there, and
Speaker 2: some of these guys are proving that middle ground. Alec
Speaker 2: Bohm is a really good example of a guy that
Speaker 2: has found a solid middle ground of being a decent
Speaker 2: player and not you know, black or white. There's a
Speaker 2: gray area with it. And I think Torkosen is going
Speaker 2: to bounce back this year. It's almost three hundred and
Speaker 2: it's a twenty plus, twenty plus homer potential. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with Torcosen at number five.
Speaker 1: All right, next guy on my list is Boom or Bust.
Speaker 1: He's at three oh four, so he's even further than
Speaker 1: Jesse Winker at two to eighty nine. On the ADP.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's one Yapez of the Saint Louis Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and it's because he is post three hundred and because
Speaker 1: I think he can still give you fifteen. So in
Speaker 1: terms of what this show is about late rounds lugging value,
Speaker 1: like that's a huge value. If he hits fifteen home runs.
Speaker 1: If of course, your guy Jordan Walker or anything else
Speaker 1: happens here, it pushes him out of down out of
Speaker 1: the everyday lineup. That's different than the calculus changes on
Speaker 1: you Pez. And the nice thing about you Pez is
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, you cut him, you move
Speaker 1: on to the next guy. Doesn't cost you anything. That's
Speaker 1: why I like him, Love the Cardinals lineup, love what
Speaker 1: they're doing here. From watching Ypez last year, I think
Speaker 1: he has got all the right stuff to be a good,
Speaker 1: solid major league hitter. I think he got found out
Speaker 1: a little bit last year, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But he came up red hot, and I think we
Speaker 1: all saw, Okay, there's the upside. Let's see the adjustment.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to make adjustments back and I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see if he does post three hundred. He's got
Speaker 1: my attention. If he was two fifty, I would be
Speaker 1: drafting Tristan Kassis and trade Mancini like I would not
Speaker 1: even be looking. But because he three hundred those deeper leagues,
Speaker 1: I think it's worth a shot because the return is
Speaker 1: maybe Walker stays in the minor leagues longer, or maybe
Speaker 1: he struggles if he comes to the major leagues. The
Speaker 1: trick is ken Yapez sticking that DH spot. And that's
Speaker 1: also a transition for a lot of players too. You
Speaker 1: know some guys who are not used to that having
Speaker 1: the transition to that. You only get up every you know,
Speaker 1: couple innings to take it at bat and then you
Speaker 1: go sit down. That's a tough routine change, I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of people to handle. So we'll see
Speaker 1: how he adjusts to that as well. Hopefully he can
Speaker 1: do that this year quite a bit and understand that
Speaker 1: routine a little bit better in spring training. I don't
Speaker 1: want him play in the field so much I want
Speaker 1: I think he will because of spring training, but I
Speaker 1: want him to learn to adjust to what it means
Speaker 1: to be a DH because I think potentially as a
Speaker 1: DH or the Cardinals, it's a good situation here. Let's
Speaker 1: get to number four on your list. As a player,
Speaker 1: I'm very high on again, all the at bats, all
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Let the kids sink or swim, and I
Speaker 1: think he's going to swim Welsh, So.
Speaker 2: This is a cheat. But I have to talk about
Speaker 2: him because you agree cj Abrams. Cj Abrams on my
Speaker 2: list is going to be the toughest to hit this
Speaker 2: real marker to qualify as a slugger. And at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're not going to consider him
Speaker 2: a slugger. You're going to consider him a five tool player,
Speaker 2: which is really nice. At worst, four tools, I think
Speaker 2: you're going to get on him, but I do believe
Speaker 2: that cj Abrams can touch and just dance around that
Speaker 2: fifteen home run marker. But where I think you're really
Speaker 2: going to also benefit is twenty plus stolen bases. Projections
Speaker 2: are not there with him and I think the projection
Speaker 2: systems on quite a few young guys that are at
Speaker 2: the very very top of sprint speed speed, and the
Speaker 2: entire major leagues are under selling the speed potential also
Speaker 2: with the new rules. So if you get a CJ.
Speaker 2: Abrams with twelve to fifteen homers and you get twenty
Speaker 2: plus stolen bases, you're probably looking at a guy that
Speaker 2: is going to be around a fourth or fifth round pick.
Speaker 2: That is where I think we can go with CJ.
Speaker 2: Abrams this year. He's got an ADP of two point
Speaker 2: fifty eight RBIs might be difficult, but he might not
Speaker 2: be hitting in a spot. He's not gonna be like
Speaker 2: a leadoff hitter at least to start, unless he starts
Speaker 2: to really you know, swing and he really starts to
Speaker 2: go buck. But I'm a big CJ. Abrams guy, low
Speaker 2: K percentages, very first at bat in the pro ball
Speaker 2: at all I was there, it was the only person
Speaker 2: in the stadium hits a home run. He can get
Speaker 2: into some of that power their speed, so he has
Speaker 2: I'm cheating, but we both really like this guy in Laila,
Speaker 2: especially when you're chasing speed, and I think he can
Speaker 2: just be more than a one category player.
Speaker 1: I am shocked at his ADP. Is this slow to start?
Speaker 1: To be honest, I would have thought it was a
Speaker 1: minimum higher than two fifty. It's not. I think by
Speaker 1: the time we get to draft season, I could see
Speaker 1: it sneaking closer to two hundred, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because he's got the job, he's got the tools. What
Speaker 1: we're talking about, He's gonna be hitting probably in the
Speaker 1: two spot in his lineup. And I know the Nationals
Speaker 1: aren't very good, like we all know that, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're talking about volume and we're talking about talent.
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from c. J. Abrams, even
Speaker 1: at the major league level. I think this guy, this
Speaker 1: is another player that I think needs to get every
Speaker 1: day at bats. I think the sporadicness of the way
Speaker 1: he was used with the padres at times hurt him
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of what you saw last year.
Speaker 1: But I like C. J. Abrams a ton and I
Speaker 1: think as a keeper investment, this is a guy that,
Speaker 1: as he grows into his body, could be really good.
Speaker 1: He's still on the smaller side physically, but all the
Speaker 1: tools are there. I mean, it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: how quickly the development comes and be nice to have
Speaker 1: a little bit more lineup protection, but then again, nice
Speaker 1: to have a lot of things. Next on my list,
Speaker 1: Top three here is av Silt of my now. Last
Speaker 1: year kind of a lost season for him, as we
Speaker 1: all know, But this is a player that I think
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past flashed that twenty home run power.
Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility. He gets
Speaker 1: back to that realm twenty nine and twenty twenty one. Obviously,
Speaker 1: last year he only played ninety eight games, but still
Speaker 1: had eight home runs in that span. But he is
Speaker 1: hit twenty home runs multiple times in his career. He
Speaker 1: is a player that never lived up to I think
Speaker 1: the hype of what he could be. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if we're looking for late power and we're
Speaker 1: looking at where he's being drafted, he is sub three hundred,
Speaker 1: he is three twelve. Overall, it's just about every day
Speaker 1: at bats and health, and if Garcia hits both of
Speaker 1: those benchmarks, then we're in good shape. I think he
Speaker 1: can give you fifteen to twenty home runs, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of the range we keep saying here, and I know,
Speaker 1: like twenty might not be you know, super exciting, but
Speaker 1: you know, the steroid era is gone, so this is
Speaker 1: what we're left with now. So now we have to
Speaker 1: be scratching and clawing from fifteen to twenty. But I
Speaker 1: do think Garcia again, as long as the health works out,
Speaker 1: I think at a good spot with him. Let's get
Speaker 1: to somebody in your top three. Who do you have
Speaker 1: at number three? Because it's a player that I have
Speaker 1: been high on for quite some time and I keep
Speaker 1: getting knocked down, but I'm ready to get up one more.
Speaker 2: Time someday, and I'm hoping it's this year. This guy
Speaker 2: is gonna pop and it's Alex Kiroloff with the Minnesota Twins. Now,
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, I was actually going to
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit lower this year because he's
Speaker 2: dealing with another risk injury and I think he had
Speaker 2: a risk surgery in which he had in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. In nineteen, it was like late twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: he had he had another risk surgeries, had consistent injury
Speaker 2: problems and especially with that risk overall.
Speaker 1: But for the.
Speaker 2: Minnesota Twins to move Louise Arise told me everything because
Speaker 2: they had said they think he'll be good for spring training.
Speaker 2: That should be good for the year Alex Kiloff, and
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I don't know about that. For
Speaker 2: them to move off of Luis a rise must tell
Speaker 2: them something about where they think Kilf is going to
Speaker 2: be and where he's going to be as a part
Speaker 2: of the team roster resource has him as the first baseman.
Speaker 2: I am where you going to miss a few games.
Speaker 2: But this is a super smart guy. His dad's a
Speaker 2: hitting coach. He's a super smart hitter. He's got a
Speaker 2: beautiful swing. Health has been his problem. I am really
Speaker 2: hoping that we're going to be cured of this going
Speaker 2: over at first base, hopefully. You know, mitigates a few
Speaker 2: of it. Projections aren't nuts, but eleven homers over eighty
Speaker 2: seven games on bad X is not bad. You put
Speaker 2: that over a season. You're looking at easy over twenty
Speaker 2: in a lineup that has been built around big homers
Speaker 2: and big offense, and the Minnesota Twins that even if
Speaker 2: k're lop is hitting like six, they do have him
Speaker 2: lower in the lineup right now. But if you were
Speaker 2: to move up to around six, hitting behind Bucks in Korea,
Speaker 2: a lot of RBI opportunities if he starts to pop,
Speaker 2: and I think you will because he's always been a
Speaker 2: very advanced hitter. Health has just kept him apart, and
Speaker 2: the adjustment to the majors has really been an issue
Speaker 2: as well. But I'm just still a believer.
Speaker 1: All right. The next one for me? Number two, I
Speaker 1: hate myself for I mean I hate it, like I
Speaker 1: don't like it.
Speaker 2: Let me look at who it is.
Speaker 1: You know, well it's gross. But look, I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: if we I'd like you to stay on the show
Speaker 1: because we both got one more. Oh he's off the show, folks. Okay,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. It's gross, it's terrible. But we're
Speaker 1: just talking about one thing here. Late round power Joey
Speaker 1: Gallo is late round power to eighty three. Even last year,
Speaker 1: as miserable as the season was, he still had eighteen
Speaker 1: home runs. Now he hit one fifty eight. So my
Speaker 1: hope is this a fresh start somewhere else, a clear
Speaker 1: off season to clear his head. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: going to get back to that guy who was a
Speaker 1: forty home run guy and hitting two h six or whatever. Like.
Speaker 1: If he gets back to that, well that's great. It's
Speaker 1: great for the Minnesota Twins. I don't like the kind
Speaker 1: of player Joey gallow Is. I didn't like the kind
Speaker 1: of player he was, but he is basically free and
Speaker 1: if you're talking about power and the opportunity, look in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one he had thirty eight home runs. This
Speaker 1: is not a player. I mean, we've seen this before
Speaker 1: where we write off guys and then they come back
Speaker 1: a little bit. There has been an absolute fall off
Speaker 1: to the pitch recognition skills of Joey Gallo, which is
Speaker 1: why in the spot where we are, if the right
Speaker 1: hitting coach can get through to him, if the Minnesota
Speaker 1: group can figure out a way to fix some of
Speaker 1: those things, get some of those pitch recognition skills back
Speaker 1: on track, get him to drive the baseball again, not
Speaker 1: try so hard to hit home runs not you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of this is mental, I think too. For
Speaker 1: Joey Gallo. Now he could be the next Chris Davis
Speaker 1: where he just completely falls apart again and we are
Speaker 1: all just sitting here looking at that. That is well
Speaker 1: within the possibility of what we could see from Joey Gallo. However,
Speaker 1: cheap power, he's the definition of it. It's at a cost,
Speaker 1: which I don't like. It's not a player I want
Speaker 1: to draft, But go ahead roast me.
Speaker 2: You're like Harry Potter and he's like Baltimore, just like
Speaker 2: going just in the back, like I don't know why
Speaker 2: you would do this to yourself.
Speaker 1: I've got horns for you, Joseph. You know what, Just
Speaker 1: like Voltimore, he could feel my pain, he could feel it.
Speaker 1: John Galla could put his finger on my forehead and
Speaker 1: it would just put.
Speaker 2: Hay on there for strikeout, like instead of a lightning.
Speaker 1: Actually, I go, do you want to put a backwards kay?
Speaker 1: Is he is he striking out? Looking? Yeah?
Speaker 2: There you go, that's what it was, looking, swimming.
Speaker 1: All of it? Move past. I hate myself, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Well you and I both know this look. Would it
Speaker 1: shock the hell out of you if he had twenty
Speaker 1: five home runs and hit two ten this year?
Speaker 2: No, no, it wouldn't shock me. It was I won't
Speaker 2: I want to put him the experiencing it or enjoying
Speaker 2: it would shock me.
Speaker 1: But he's on the list, all right, let's get away
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. I'm unhappy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going through the trend again of these
Speaker 2: just rookies that have really good value with big pop
Speaker 2: At two seventy one on adyp's Jordan Walker. You talked
Speaker 2: about Wannya Pez Jordan Walker. I think this is going
Speaker 2: to be I got to hate keep doing this, but
Speaker 2: it's going to be similar to Julio in the respect
Speaker 2: that in January and February of drafts of last year,
Speaker 2: we didn't know where Julio Rodriguez stood. I was critical.
Speaker 2: I would laugh at people that took him inside the
Speaker 2: top two hundred cause I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: They're not going to bring him up. And then they did.
Speaker 2: And then because we didn't know the extent of how
Speaker 2: if aggressive teams were going to be, and they did
Speaker 2: do it and they gave him the job. There's already
Speaker 2: been rumblings that Jordan Walker is going to be given
Speaker 2: the opportunity and is very likely to break camp with
Speaker 2: his team. I know we look at it and we're like,
Speaker 2: how are they going to do that? Hell? Hell are
Speaker 2: they going to do that. I imagine they're going to
Speaker 2: make moves. I just don't think Wanniapez is going to
Speaker 2: hold him back. And Jordan Walker is dynamic across the board.
Speaker 2: If you played a full season, I think you're looking
Speaker 2: at thirty plus homers, even as a rookie projections around
Speaker 2: ninety games with nine homers. Steamer has him around twelve. Again,
Speaker 2: this is under one hundred games fifteen seems like a lock.
Speaker 2: Even if he comes up a little bit later in
Speaker 2: the year. Strike up rates are not crazy. He can
Speaker 2: run and he'll play in the outfield. I really like
Speaker 2: Jordan Walker, and I think this is a guy that
Speaker 2: we can look back on this in about a month
Speaker 2: and a half and we're going to laugh at the ADP. Potentially,
Speaker 2: if this team makes a commitment to seventy one, he'll
Speaker 2: go closer to one hundred if he is given the job. Like,
Speaker 2: there's no reason that Jordan Walker shouldn't be in the
Speaker 2: same range as Gunner Henderson if he is starting the
Speaker 2: full year. The only difference between those two besides, like
Speaker 2: you know, some logistics of their game, is that Jordan
Speaker 2: Walker has no guarantee and Gunner Henderson does, and he
Speaker 2: would push near the hundreds if the Cardinals moved Yepez
Speaker 2: or Carlson or said it's his job to lose.
Speaker 1: I like where you're coming from here? All right, my
Speaker 1: number one guy and Welsh's number one guy. Now, well's
Speaker 1: cheated the whole show. So I'm gonna cheat one time,
Speaker 1: because technically it's really not cheating because he was two
Speaker 1: to oh one yesterday when we did the show sheet.
Speaker 1: Now he has cracked. He is one ninety eight. He
Speaker 1: is cheter new DH of the Los Angeles Dodgers. He's
Speaker 1: JD Martinez. JD Martinez to me, if he's going anywhere
Speaker 1: around this two hundred or post you under range. And
Speaker 1: I could see this ADP starting to rise already because
Speaker 1: people are saying, what are we doing? Like we can't
Speaker 1: completely give up on Jady Martinez. He's going to be
Speaker 1: thirty five this year, so he's an older player. We
Speaker 1: saw the ISO drop precipitously last year from you know,
Speaker 1: two thirty two and twenty twenty one to one seventy four.
Speaker 1: But this is a player who's had down seasons and
Speaker 1: come back from that as well. I think what we're
Speaker 1: looking for here once again, sometimes fresh starts are good.
Speaker 1: The environment for the Dodgers is a very good one too.
Speaker 1: He does not have to carry this team. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to carry the load. He's got to be a contributor.
Speaker 1: He's can he hit the five spot most likely, So
Speaker 1: there's going to be lots of RBI potential too, But
Speaker 1: in terms of slugging, I don't see a realm where
Speaker 1: he does not get to the twenty home run platform.
Speaker 1: I just I think he is going to hit that
Speaker 1: plateau of twenty most likely get closer to twenty five.
Speaker 1: And that's why as long as he hovers in this range,
Speaker 1: he's the number one guy in this late round slugger list,
Speaker 1: because this is I think a fantastic opportunity to buy
Speaker 1: a low in a player where people are afraid at
Speaker 1: this age that it's done, that it's over, and he's
Speaker 1: just completely in decline. But we've seen this before with
Speaker 1: players we thought were like that, they get a first
Speaker 1: start a new team, all of a sudden, little bump,
Speaker 1: they get back to at least close to who they
Speaker 1: used to be. I am not saying this is a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be contending for MVP, but in
Speaker 1: a way that Dodgers kind of need him to step
Speaker 1: up and be close. Can he be eighty percent of
Speaker 1: jad Martinez? I think he still got that in him.
Speaker 1: But outside of Freeman and outside of Bets, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions in this Dodger lineup. I mean a
Speaker 1: ton of questions here, so they need JD. Martinez to
Speaker 1: be one of the answers for them. So he's my
Speaker 1: number one guy again. He was two oh one yesterday,
Speaker 1: he's one ninety eight today. We'll see what happens. But
Speaker 1: to me, he's the best late round slugger you're gonna
Speaker 1: find out there. Because all the other guys were talking about,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else has the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get to thirty. I think if everything breaks right for JD,
Speaker 1: thirty is possible as well. I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it. My number one guy is a cheat code.
Speaker 2: He is a cheat code because no system knows where
Speaker 2: to put him, or rank him, or draft and right
Speaker 2: rightful reasons though ESPN, I've drafted on fantracks, I've drafted
Speaker 2: on everywhere I've drafted on. He doesn't exist on lists,
Speaker 2: so you can get him absolutely cheap, especially when outfield
Speaker 2: struggles and he's on a team that perpetually has players
Speaker 2: projected with higher numbers. Here's a funny thing, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you who the player is. I was just talking
Speaker 2: about this last night on another platform with Claver Torres.
Speaker 2: Glabor Torres is really interesting this year and if you
Speaker 2: go and look at his splits, the expected home runs
Speaker 2: in different ballparks. Clabor Torres, you know, cool homers here here.
Speaker 2: If claver Torres had hit all of his games in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: labor Torres would have had a projected forty one homers
Speaker 2: last year. Cincinnati is just a boon for offensive production
Speaker 2: and Will Myers is the cheat code this year until
Speaker 2: adp start to take advantage of it, where you can
Speaker 2: get twenty plus homers really late in your drafts. We're
Speaker 2: talking three twenty five Steamer projection in only one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty games. Has twenty homers, six Dolen bases, the
Speaker 2: Batex sixteen atc is seventeen and those are around one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty games. Cincinnati is just going to produce
Speaker 2: more runs. That's yeah. Did he do anything great or
Speaker 2: spectacular last year? No, not particularly. He did hit two sixty.
Speaker 2: He can steal a little bit. We saw what happened
Speaker 2: with Brandon Drury when he was able to succeed there.
Speaker 2: This is similar.
Speaker 1: Jel Suarez became a revelation in Cincinnati and this.
Speaker 2: Is the same thing. I think you're looking at a
Speaker 2: two sixty to twenty plus home run hitter might be
Speaker 2: one of the better hitters in that entire lineup. He's
Speaker 2: going to get a get to hit probably between somewhere
Speaker 2: between three and five, and you're gonna get a lot
Speaker 2: of RBI, and he is just far down. I'm actually
Speaker 2: impressed that the ADP has him at three twenty five
Speaker 2: on Fantasy Pros because there are some places he is
Speaker 2: literally just buried down the list.
Speaker 1: It's all about games played. For Will Myers, if he
Speaker 1: can play one hundred and fifty games, he's going to
Speaker 1: obliterate that twenty home run number. I agree, I'm with
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. So risk and reward there certainly
Speaker 1: part of this list, but three twenty five again free power.
Speaker 1: Everybody likes it, so Welsh's list can tell Marte, Josh Young, Perrazza,
Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas, Matt Mrvis, Spencer Torkelsen, c j abrams Kirolof,
Speaker 1: Jordan Walker, and Will Myers. For me my list Jock Peterson,
Speaker 1: Michael canford O, Tristy Cassis, Lane, Thomas Trey Mancy, Jesse Winker,
Speaker 1: jan Ya pez avisayel Le Garcia, Joey Gallo, and Jade Martinez.
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