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Speaker 1: Late round power. Let's talk to the pros. Welcome in

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Speaker 1: everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy Baseball Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It is be Joey p joe Pisapia, and today we're

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Speaker 1: going to take a look at the late round sluggers.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Everybody likes power on their teams, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: you don't want to pay for it. You want a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a discount, So we're going to give

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Speaker 1: that to you today. Looking at some of the players

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Speaker 1: outside the top two hundred ADP that fit that bill.

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Speaker 1: We've gone pretty deep on some of these names. Some

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Speaker 1: will be familiar, maybe a few still we have to

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Speaker 1: sell you on. But regardless, these are the top twenty guys.

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Speaker 1: We've each made a list of ten. And joining me

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Speaker 1: today on the show as always my good friend the

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Speaker 1: Welsh Chris Welsh. He has got his sexy voice to

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Speaker 1: today because he's a little under the weather, but to me,

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Speaker 1: that makes the show all the more appealing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good if it's a little sexy voice. A

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Speaker 2: little bit deeper everybody.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Yes, this is my co host Tom Waits. For

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Speaker 1: the next hour. Now, it's not even going to be

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Speaker 1: that long, folks. It will want to be an hour show.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk some sluggers though? Please?

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Speaker 1: Like the Snuggers and the ADP. I love Tom. Tom

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Speaker 1: Waite should do a sports podcast now that I think

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Speaker 1: about it, and maybe I'm dating myself with the.

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Speaker 2: Tom Wains, I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of JD. Martinez? He's classic. I

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Speaker 1: think he's timeless. But anyway, let's get to some of

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Speaker 1: these names on the list before we do. Just a

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Speaker 1: till you're The cows come home and I don't know

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Speaker 1: where they've been, but they've been out late. They've probably

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Speaker 1: been drinking, but ten minutes, have some fun, run some

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Speaker 1: because the board in January is going to evolve into

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Speaker 1: February and you're gonna see some of these names start

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Speaker 1: to change. So it's good to start preparing again an

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Speaker 1: idea of where some of those ADPs are. And speaking

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Speaker 1: of those ADPs, let's kick off with Welsh's number ten.

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Speaker 1: Outside the top two hundred, where you might find a

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this guy, I think in

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Speaker 2: the last couple episodes, and when you're looking outside the

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Speaker 2: top two hundred ADP, there's some interesting names. There's some

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Speaker 2: really good hitters. Overall. I'm not the biggest on this guy,

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Speaker 2: I do think it is still hard to deny kateell

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Speaker 2: Marte Fantasy Pros ADP, which I just want to shout

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Speaker 2: out there is not a lot of ADP out there.

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Speaker 2: a different beast. ESPN just opened their product. It's a product.

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Speaker 2: wanted to add to your read. We hooked it up

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Speaker 2: to the Draft Wizard and hilariously, I loved my own draft.

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Speaker 2: You hated my draft. You hated my draft that I

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Speaker 1: all the insights, and if you're a Premium member, you

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Speaker 1: in the Draft Wizard stuff, which is so cool. So

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Speaker 1: because especially in these baseball leagues, we have all these

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Speaker 1: But continue on about my hatred. Yes, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, Well, and also, like these sites, projections

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Speaker 2: You can just type in A good thing to do

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Speaker 1: not about personal preference. It's about winning. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Now, the next guy on my list, number ten, uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe a guy who you want on your fantasy team,

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Speaker 2: on Fantasy pros it's Josh Young with the Texas Rangers.

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Speaker 2: Josh Young hit five homers last year and around twenty

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Speaker 2: not I'm not a big anti Josh Young guy. You know,

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Speaker 2: the big outlier is he struck out thirty eight percent

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Speaker 2: He had never gone twenty three percent of the time

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Speaker 2: just missed so much time. There was so much time

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Speaker 1: some utility bats or some outfield depth. This next guy

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, Yankees have some talent coming through. There's no

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Speaker 2: You and I chatted about when you got to see Vulpe.

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Speaker 1: They could look. I give Cashman credit. How he's been

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Speaker 1: Lane Thomas, outfielder of the Washington Nationals. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: It's funny enough. I'm gonna be doing a rookie panel

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Speaker 2: more for twenty fourteen on our Friends of Our Pitcher

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Speaker 1: Also be appearing on Pitchcon on Friday me and I'm

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Speaker 1: I believe it's two o'clock or three o'clock. I got

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Speaker 2: You can go.

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Speaker 1: Ba's why I'm treating.

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Speaker 2: To play Yours is what time is it at Friday?

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Speaker 1: Win It is two o'clock, two o'clock Eastern.

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Speaker 2: No gouy sh'll be top twenty four hours from we're

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Speaker 2: And that is why Miguel Vargas is too low right now.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that could play third, first, outfield. There

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Speaker 2: But Miguel Vargas is a very, very probably one of

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Speaker 2: fourteen marker. If he plays a full season, he is

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Speaker 2: twenty plus. This will be one of those guys that's

435
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Speaker 2: in the Rookie of the Year race if he's there,

436
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Speaker 2: and I think he's a really good value. This is

437
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Speaker 2: one of those rookies I want to take a bet

438
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Speaker 2: on because the Dodgers have positions open and they want

439
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Speaker 2: to push. He is one of the reasons why Justin

440
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 2: Turner is not back, why they didn't go make some

441
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Speaker 2: big splashes, is because they've got Miguel Vargas and they

442
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Speaker 2: want to get him out there. It'll be a testament

443
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Speaker 2: if Trey Thompson and James Outman play over mcgl vargas

444
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Speaker 2: and he sent to the miners. I don't believe that's

445
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Speaker 2: going to happen. And Miguel Vargas is an easy fifteen

446
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Speaker 2: plus homer potential slugger and he's almost around three hundred

447
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Speaker 2: on ADP.

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Speaker 1: the action. All right, next guy on my list for

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Speaker 1: number six. I'm just a sucker for Trey Mancini to

479
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Speaker 1: sixty nine ADP overall right now, and look, Trey Mancini

480
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Speaker 1: is on the Cubs now, and I think a lock

481
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Speaker 1: in a good ballpark once again to go over that

482
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Speaker 1: twenty home run. Mark like to me, like you can.

483
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Speaker 1: You can set your watch to Tray Mancinia. Is he

484
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Speaker 1: going to go back to the thirty five days in

485
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore and the height of Camden Yards? Probably not, But

486
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Speaker 1: Chicago can be a really good hitters ballpark, a very

487
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: good home run friendly ballpark, especially in the summertime. So

488
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to like here. It's funny that the

489
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Speaker 1: lineup itself Welsh. This is kind of a take as

490
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Speaker 1: I was looking at it here on roster resources we're

491
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Speaker 1: doing the show. The Cubs lineup looks like if you

492
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Speaker 1: were in a salary cap draft and you set your

493
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Speaker 1: auto to I only want to spend a moderate amount,

494
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Speaker 1: and that's exactly the roster of the Chicago Cubs. Do

495
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Speaker 1: you do you agree with this this opening gay roster?

496
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Speaker 2: It kind of looks like it like, are you stuck

497
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: around now? You stuck around to buy danceby Swanson, but

498
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Speaker 2: then something happened and you had to leave, and then.

499
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Speaker 1: Other kid had a soccer game or something came up.

500
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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I have Eric Costmer and Trainment.

501
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: Like it's like Nika Horner, Suzuki, you know, Cody Bellinger.

502
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, it's like okay, like Tucker Barney,

503
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: like oh okay, Like these guys are all okay, but

504
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: nothing or or low or less than okay rosterable. But

505
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: it totally has the feel of I said it, something

506
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Speaker 1: happened and had to get auto picked, but not in

507
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Speaker 1: a not in a snake draft, specifically a salary cap draft,

508
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Speaker 1: because well, you know, we could see like people didn't

509
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Speaker 1: want to bid up some of these guys, so you

510
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: just got them at their regular price.

511
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Speaker 2: Let me throw this out to you because my number

512
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Speaker 2: six is also a Chicago cub and it's the same

513
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Speaker 2: vein of what we've been talking about, and it's Matt

514
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Speaker 2: Nervis Matt Murvis there.

515
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Nervos because he's farther down the

516
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Speaker 1: trophy or was he three something here?

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah? His ADP I just went away from it is

518
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: a three ninety five way down there. But I almost

519
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: had Tremancini on this as well, because those two are

520
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: going to be the future. Hosmer is the great equalizer here.

521
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Speaker 2: You know how much of a team leaders are going

522
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Speaker 2: to be. They can jump off the commitment. Matt Mrvos

523
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: has to have a great spring. But let's get back

524
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Speaker 2: to this conversation of sluggers with value pending. The format

525
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Speaker 2: that you're playing in is probably dependent on like the

526
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Speaker 2: risks and the shots you take and how many players

527
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But Matt Murrays got a three

528
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Speaker 2: ninety five ADP right now and for right reasons because

529
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a gig. But even projections that have

530
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Speaker 2: not made any adjustments, maybe is fifteen plus homers in

531
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen games. So if he gets out

532
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: there and gets games in, he's going to hit homers.

533
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Speaker 2: This team is going to have a very difficult time

534
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Speaker 2: not letting him get a pats this year. The guy

535
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Speaker 2: pushed up to Triple A. He played in the Fall League.

536
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Speaker 2: He's a little bit older. It's time in some capacity,

537
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Speaker 2: so he'll be there. When he's there. He will hit moonshots.

538
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Speaker 2: It's what he does. I've got video of them on

539
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Speaker 2: my Twitter at is it the Welsh if you want

540
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 2: to see them. It's a beautiful home run swing. You know,

541
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Speaker 2: all the same stuff. Again, he decreased the strike up

542
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Speaker 2: percentage at every level. He was increasing his batting average.

543
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Speaker 2: His ISO is a big power hitter. Even if he

544
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Speaker 2: gets eighty games in this year, he might push fifteen homers.

545
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Speaker 2: So post four hundred if you're in a deep league,

546
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Speaker 2: if you're in a draft and hold, yeah, he's a

547
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Speaker 2: guy you look at for maybe Otherwise you just pay

548
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Speaker 2: attention to him in season for waiver wire. If he

549
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: doesn't make the roster he sent to Triple A. He

550
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Speaker 2: someone should be top priority on the April list. But

551
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Speaker 2: he is a late slugger that is probably gonna put.

552
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you he will push fifteen homers if he

553
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Speaker 2: plays eighty plus games.

554
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask you, what's the number to

555
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Speaker 1: get to fifteen homers. It's got to be like eighty

556
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Speaker 1: five games. Is that your number? One hundred games?

557
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Speaker 2: Let's just go broke and let's say eighty eighty games.

558
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna get He's gonna hit fifteen homers.

559
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Speaker 1: Like it all right? So Matt Murvis on Welsh's list, Okay,

560
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Speaker 1: next guy on my list, number five, who were in

561
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Speaker 1: the top five out. Very exciting.

562
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: There we go.

563
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Speaker 1: This is a player that I was not excited about

564
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: last year. I hated this trade last year. I was

565
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: very vocal about it. I have zero shares last year

566
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Speaker 1: of Jesse Winker. Not this year. Not this year. I

567
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: am back on the Jesse Winker bandwagon. You know why

568
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: because the ADP is now to eighty nine, that's why.

569
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Speaker 1: And he's in Milwaukee, a very home run friendly ballpark.

570
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: So you go to Seattle leaving Cincinnati. I did not

571
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Speaker 1: like that at all. I thought there was a terrible

572
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Speaker 1: situation there. Now he's in the Milwaukee Brewer situation. Probably

573
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna hit third or maybe fifth in that lineup. Different projections,

574
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: they'll show you different spots. I would not be shocked

575
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: if he ended up hitting in the three spot. But

576
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity to get back to the

577
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Speaker 1: National League Central Division. He's familiar with travel patterns are

578
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: familiar with. But you know, and I know, Milwaukee good

579
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: place to hit home runs. That's why Christian Yelwich's last

580
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: two years are so depressing. But I will say this now,

581
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Speaker 1: he is such a value Welsh. I will be back in.

582
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Speaker 1: He has his deficits, There's no doubt about that. Winker

583
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: is not a player that I loved, you know, and

584
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Speaker 1: would always go, yeah, Jesse Winker. I want this guy

585
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Speaker 1: on my team all these years. When he broke out

586
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and was an All Star,

587
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: look it seemed as though he had really changed a lot,

588
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: and then the second half not quite as much. But

589
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Speaker 1: I gave him the benefit of doubt because you can't

590
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Speaker 1: sustain the path he was on for an entire season.

591
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Speaker 1: That's just something that's Ted williams Y kind of stuff

592
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: where you're, you know, hitting three eighty first ce. That

593
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: stuff's not gonna happen. But I was really down on

594
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: where his ADP went to with the player he told

595
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: us he was and showed us he was in the

596
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Speaker 1: minor leagues and in the Cincinnati red system. Barring that

597
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: one great season, it was way too expensive last year.

598
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: Now it might be way too cheap. That's my thoughts

599
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Speaker 1: on Jesse Winker. And I think he's a lock to

600
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Speaker 1: hit twenty. You know.

601
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Speaker 2: Also, there were so many questions around his work ethic,

602
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like that is going to be something

603
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: a player like him is going to want to touch on.

604
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of Padre's work ethic questions that

605
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: were put out there that I'm kind of in. I'm

606
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: kind of in. I think he's an outfield stinks And

607
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: we just did a draft bean Bagman did, was itl

608
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: And Jesse Winker was one of those guys when outfield

609
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: gets away from you, there's a handful of players you

610
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Speaker 2: start being like, I gotta get this, I gotta make

611
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: this work real quick. And Jesse Winker is one of

612
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Speaker 2: those players. Because of the offensive potential in that line.

613
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Speaker 1: Well, ATC's got him at nineteen home runs projection right now.

614
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm not a big projection guy, but that's the highest

615
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: of all the groupings. But nobody's got him less than sixteen.

616
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's absolutely right, like the twenty four

617
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: and but I think fifteen to twenty is absolutely in

618
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: his range. But because it's Milwaukee, and because if you

619
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Speaker 1: look at some of the bottom feeding pitching teams, he's

620
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna be playing Cincinnati, he's going to be playing Pittsburgh,

621
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing somebody, say the Chicago Cubs. There's

622
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of great pitching in those organizations you're

623
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: going against. Most of the great pitching happens to be

624
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: on his own team of the Milwaukee Brewers.

625
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: So, just from the standpoint of looking at what he's

627
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: got in terms of an everyday look when they're playing

628
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: in Division, I think there's real opportunity for the higher

629
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: end of this projection where ATC is the nineteen or

630
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: twenty than necessarily the seventeen or sixteen that you see

631
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Speaker 1: in other spots. Well, let's get to another one of

632
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: your names in the top five, who is it.

633
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: This one is gonna another. It's it's along this line

634
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: of list and it might get people a little bit scared.

635
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Spencer Torkelsen. I'm gonna go back to Spencer Torclsen.

636
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Hall's coming from inside the house, Welsh.

637
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: I hear it to seventy nine EIGHTYP to seventy nine EIGHTYP.

638
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: Spencer Turklsen had an atrocious year last year in the majors.

639
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: We know that he hit two oh three the positive

640
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: though he had a sub twenty five percent k rate.

641
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: He almost had a double digit walk rate one hundred

642
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: and ten games, just did not make the contact he

643
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: needed eight homers. Now there's a lot of abated what's

644
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: gonna happen with Detroit. Now they're bringing in the walls,

645
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: but they're also raising them, so they're raising them up

646
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: like fifteen feet and they're bringing them a pretty significant amount.

647
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: It's almost becoming softball range. So what is that going

648
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: to do? And who's gonna benefit? I believe this is

649
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: a benefit to Spencer Torkolsen. This is a guy that

650
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: is going to be able to launch the ball in

651
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: the air a season removed. I don't believe this is

652
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: going to be a nothing guy. I really do believe

653
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: he can return. And you know what projections are kind

654
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: of in that they see a batting average around two

655
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: thirty five on the bat X, which is solid compared

656
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: to two oh three, and ATC has got him at fifteen.

657
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: Bat X has got him at sixteen and this is

658
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: around one hundred and thirty games. He's gonna play the

659
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: full season. He's committed. I think a year removed from

660
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: that rookie year, you're going to see adjustments. I like

661
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Tony Homers out of Spencer Toorkosen. I like the bounce back.

662
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: This is not Jared Kelnick. And I know it's really

663
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: easy to start pairing these guys up. If they're not good,

664
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: they're Klnick in Adele, that's all that they can be.

665
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: And if they're good at all, they're Julio. And it's

666
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: not the case. There's a middle ground in there, and

667
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: some of these guys are proving that middle ground. Alec

668
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Bohm is a really good example of a guy that

669
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: has found a solid middle ground of being a decent

670
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: player and not you know, black or white. There's a

671
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: gray area with it. And I think Torkosen is going

672
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: to bounce back this year. It's almost three hundred and

673
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: it's a twenty plus, twenty plus homer potential. So I'm

674
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: gonna go with Torcosen at number five.

675
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: All right, next guy on my list is Boom or Bust.

676
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: He's at three oh four, so he's even further than

677
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Jesse Winker at two to eighty nine. On the ADP.

678
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Right now, it's one Yapez of the Saint Louis Cardinals,

679
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: and it's because he is post three hundred and because

680
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: I think he can still give you fifteen. So in

681
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: terms of what this show is about late rounds lugging value,

682
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: like that's a huge value. If he hits fifteen home runs.

683
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: If of course, your guy Jordan Walker or anything else

684
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: happens here, it pushes him out of down out of

685
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: the everyday lineup. That's different than the calculus changes on

686
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: you Pez. And the nice thing about you Pez is

687
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, you cut him, you move

688
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: on to the next guy. Doesn't cost you anything. That's

689
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: why I like him, Love the Cardinals lineup, love what

690
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: they're doing here. From watching Ypez last year, I think

691
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: he has got all the right stuff to be a good,

692
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: solid major league hitter. I think he got found out

693
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: a little bit last year, There's no doubt about that.

694
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: But he came up red hot, and I think we

695
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: all saw, Okay, there's the upside. Let's see the adjustment.

696
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Now it's time to make adjustments back and I'm curious

697
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: to see if he does post three hundred. He's got

698
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: my attention. If he was two fifty, I would be

699
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: drafting Tristan Kassis and trade Mancini like I would not

700
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: even be looking. But because he three hundred those deeper leagues,

701
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I think it's worth a shot because the return is

702
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: maybe Walker stays in the minor leagues longer, or maybe

703
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: he struggles if he comes to the major leagues. The

704
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: trick is ken Yapez sticking that DH spot. And that's

705
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: also a transition for a lot of players too. You

706
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: know some guys who are not used to that having

707
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: the transition to that. You only get up every you know,

708
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: couple innings to take it at bat and then you

709
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: go sit down. That's a tough routine change, I think

710
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of people to handle. So we'll see

711
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: how he adjusts to that as well. Hopefully he can

712
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: do that this year quite a bit and understand that

713
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: routine a little bit better in spring training. I don't

714
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: want him play in the field so much I want

715
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I think he will because of spring training, but I

716
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: want him to learn to adjust to what it means

717
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: to be a DH because I think potentially as a

718
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: DH or the Cardinals, it's a good situation here. Let's

719
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: get to number four on your list. As a player,

720
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm very high on again, all the at bats, all

721
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Let the kids sink or swim, and I

722
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: think he's going to swim Welsh, So.

723
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: This is a cheat. But I have to talk about

724
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: him because you agree cj Abrams. Cj Abrams on my

725
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: list is going to be the toughest to hit this

726
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: real marker to qualify as a slugger. And at the

727
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're not going to consider him

728
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: a slugger. You're going to consider him a five tool player,

729
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: which is really nice. At worst, four tools, I think

730
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: you're going to get on him, but I do believe

731
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: that cj Abrams can touch and just dance around that

732
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: fifteen home run marker. But where I think you're really

733
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: going to also benefit is twenty plus stolen bases. Projections

734
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: are not there with him and I think the projection

735
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: systems on quite a few young guys that are at

736
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: the very very top of sprint speed speed, and the

737
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: entire major leagues are under selling the speed potential also

738
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: with the new rules. So if you get a CJ.

739
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: Abrams with twelve to fifteen homers and you get twenty

740
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: plus stolen bases, you're probably looking at a guy that

741
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: is going to be around a fourth or fifth round pick.

742
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: That is where I think we can go with CJ.

743
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Abrams this year. He's got an ADP of two point

744
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: fifty eight RBIs might be difficult, but he might not

745
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: be hitting in a spot. He's not gonna be like

746
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: a leadoff hitter at least to start, unless he starts

747
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: to really you know, swing and he really starts to

748
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: go buck. But I'm a big CJ. Abrams guy, low

749
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: K percentages, very first at bat in the pro ball

750
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: at all I was there, it was the only person

751
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: in the stadium hits a home run. He can get

752
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: into some of that power their speed, so he has

753
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm cheating, but we both really like this guy in Laila,

754
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: especially when you're chasing speed, and I think he can

755
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: just be more than a one category player.

756
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: I am shocked at his ADP. Is this slow to start?

757
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: To be honest, I would have thought it was a

758
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: minimum higher than two fifty. It's not. I think by

759
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: the time we get to draft season, I could see

760
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: it sneaking closer to two hundred, to be honest with you,

761
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: because he's got the job, he's got the tools. What

762
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about, He's gonna be hitting probably in the

763
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: two spot in his lineup. And I know the Nationals

764
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: aren't very good, like we all know that, but it

765
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're talking about volume and we're talking about talent.

766
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from c. J. Abrams, even

767
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: at the major league level. I think this guy, this

768
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: is another player that I think needs to get every

769
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: day at bats. I think the sporadicness of the way

770
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: he was used with the padres at times hurt him

771
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of what you saw last year.

772
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: But I like C. J. Abrams a ton and I

773
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: think as a keeper investment, this is a guy that,

774
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: as he grows into his body, could be really good.

775
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: He's still on the smaller side physically, but all the

776
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: tools are there. I mean, it's just a matter of

777
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: how quickly the development comes and be nice to have

778
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more lineup protection, but then again, nice

779
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: to have a lot of things. Next on my list,

780
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: Top three here is av Silt of my now. Last

781
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: year kind of a lost season for him, as we

782
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: all know, But this is a player that I think

783
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past flashed that twenty home run power.

784
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility. He gets

785
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: back to that realm twenty nine and twenty twenty one. Obviously,

786
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: last year he only played ninety eight games, but still

787
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: had eight home runs in that span. But he is

788
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: hit twenty home runs multiple times in his career. He

789
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: is a player that never lived up to I think

790
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: the hype of what he could be. But at the

791
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: same time, if we're looking for late power and we're

792
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: looking at where he's being drafted, he is sub three hundred,

793
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: he is three twelve. Overall, it's just about every day

794
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: at bats and health, and if Garcia hits both of

795
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: those benchmarks, then we're in good shape. I think he

796
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: can give you fifteen to twenty home runs, and that's

797
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: kind of the range we keep saying here, and I know,

798
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: like twenty might not be you know, super exciting, but

799
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, the steroid era is gone, so this is

800
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: what we're left with now. So now we have to

801
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: be scratching and clawing from fifteen to twenty. But I

802
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: do think Garcia again, as long as the health works out,

803
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: I think at a good spot with him. Let's get

804
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: to somebody in your top three. Who do you have

805
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: at number three? Because it's a player that I have

806
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: been high on for quite some time and I keep

807
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: getting knocked down, but I'm ready to get up one more.

808
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Time someday, and I'm hoping it's this year. This guy

809
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: is gonna pop and it's Alex Kiroloff with the Minnesota Twins. Now,

810
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, I was actually going to

811
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit lower this year because he's

812
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: dealing with another risk injury and I think he had

813
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: a risk surgery in which he had in two thousand

814
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: and eight. In nineteen, it was like late twenty nineteen

815
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: he had he had another risk surgeries, had consistent injury

816
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: problems and especially with that risk overall.

817
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: But for the.

818
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota Twins to move Louise Arise told me everything because

819
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: they had said they think he'll be good for spring training.

820
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: That should be good for the year Alex Kiloff, and

821
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I don't know about that. For

822
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: them to move off of Luis a rise must tell

823
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: them something about where they think Kilf is going to

824
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: be and where he's going to be as a part

825
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: of the team roster resource has him as the first baseman.

826
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: I am where you going to miss a few games.

827
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: But this is a super smart guy. His dad's a

828
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: hitting coach. He's a super smart hitter. He's got a

829
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: beautiful swing. Health has been his problem. I am really

830
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: hoping that we're going to be cured of this going

831
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: over at first base, hopefully. You know, mitigates a few

832
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: of it. Projections aren't nuts, but eleven homers over eighty

833
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: seven games on bad X is not bad. You put

834
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: that over a season. You're looking at easy over twenty

835
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: in a lineup that has been built around big homers

836
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: and big offense, and the Minnesota Twins that even if

837
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: k're lop is hitting like six, they do have him

838
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: lower in the lineup right now. But if you were

839
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: to move up to around six, hitting behind Bucks in Korea,

840
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: a lot of RBI opportunities if he starts to pop,

841
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: and I think you will because he's always been a

842
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: very advanced hitter. Health has just kept him apart, and

843
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: the adjustment to the majors has really been an issue

844
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: as well. But I'm just still a believer.

845
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: All right. The next one for me? Number two, I

846
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: hate myself for I mean I hate it, like I

847
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: don't like it.

848
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: Let me look at who it is.

849
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, well it's gross. But look, I'm gonna leave

850
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: if we I'd like you to stay on the show

851
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: because we both got one more. Oh he's off the show, folks. Okay,

852
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. It's gross, it's terrible. But we're

853
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: just talking about one thing here. Late round power Joey

854
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Gallo is late round power to eighty three. Even last year,

855
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: as miserable as the season was, he still had eighteen

856
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: home runs. Now he hit one fifty eight. So my

857
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: hope is this a fresh start somewhere else, a clear

858
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: off season to clear his head. I'm not saying he's

859
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: going to get back to that guy who was a

860
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: forty home run guy and hitting two h six or whatever. Like.

861
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: If he gets back to that, well that's great. It's

862
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: great for the Minnesota Twins. I don't like the kind

863
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: of player Joey gallow Is. I didn't like the kind

864
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: of player he was, but he is basically free and

865
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: if you're talking about power and the opportunity, look in

866
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one he had thirty eight home runs. This

867
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: is not a player. I mean, we've seen this before

868
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: where we write off guys and then they come back

869
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. There has been an absolute fall off

870
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: to the pitch recognition skills of Joey Gallo, which is

871
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: why in the spot where we are, if the right

872
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: hitting coach can get through to him, if the Minnesota

873
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: group can figure out a way to fix some of

874
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: those things, get some of those pitch recognition skills back

875
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: on track, get him to drive the baseball again, not

876
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: try so hard to hit home runs not you know,

877
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: a lot of this is mental, I think too. For

878
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Joey Gallo. Now he could be the next Chris Davis

879
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: where he just completely falls apart again and we are

880
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: all just sitting here looking at that. That is well

881
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: within the possibility of what we could see from Joey Gallo. However,

882
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: cheap power, he's the definition of it. It's at a cost,

883
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: which I don't like. It's not a player I want

884
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: to draft, But go ahead roast me.

885
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: You're like Harry Potter and he's like Baltimore, just like

886
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: going just in the back, like I don't know why

887
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: you would do this to yourself.

888
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: I've got horns for you, Joseph. You know what, Just

889
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: like Voltimore, he could feel my pain, he could feel it.

890
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: John Galla could put his finger on my forehead and

891
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: it would just put.

892
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 2: Hay on there for strikeout, like instead of a lightning.

893
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: Actually, I go, do you want to put a backwards kay?

894
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: Is he is he striking out? Looking? Yeah?

895
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: There you go, that's what it was, looking, swimming.

896
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: All of it? Move past. I hate myself, but it's true.

897
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Well you and I both know this look. Would it

898
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: shock the hell out of you if he had twenty

899
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: five home runs and hit two ten this year?

900
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: No, no, it wouldn't shock me. It was I won't

901
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 2: I want to put him the experiencing it or enjoying

902
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: it would shock me.

903
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: But he's on the list, all right, let's get away

904
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. I'm unhappy.

905
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going through the trend again of these

906
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: just rookies that have really good value with big pop

907
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: At two seventy one on adyp's Jordan Walker. You talked

908
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: about Wannya Pez Jordan Walker. I think this is going

909
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: to be I got to hate keep doing this, but

910
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: it's going to be similar to Julio in the respect

911
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: that in January and February of drafts of last year,

912
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: we didn't know where Julio Rodriguez stood. I was critical.

913
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: I would laugh at people that took him inside the

914
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: top two hundred cause I'm like, what are you talking about?

915
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: They're not going to bring him up. And then they did.

916
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: And then because we didn't know the extent of how

917
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: if aggressive teams were going to be, and they did

918
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: do it and they gave him the job. There's already

919
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: been rumblings that Jordan Walker is going to be given

920
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: the opportunity and is very likely to break camp with

921
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: his team. I know we look at it and we're like,

922
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: how are they going to do that? Hell? Hell are

923
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: they going to do that. I imagine they're going to

924
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: make moves. I just don't think Wanniapez is going to

925
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: hold him back. And Jordan Walker is dynamic across the board.

926
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: If you played a full season, I think you're looking

927
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: at thirty plus homers, even as a rookie projections around

928
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: ninety games with nine homers. Steamer has him around twelve. Again,

929
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: this is under one hundred games fifteen seems like a lock.

930
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Even if he comes up a little bit later in

931
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: the year. Strike up rates are not crazy. He can

932
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: run and he'll play in the outfield. I really like

933
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: Jordan Walker, and I think this is a guy that

934
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: we can look back on this in about a month

935
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: and a half and we're going to laugh at the ADP. Potentially,

936
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: if this team makes a commitment to seventy one, he'll

937
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: go closer to one hundred if he is given the job. Like,

938
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: there's no reason that Jordan Walker shouldn't be in the

939
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: same range as Gunner Henderson if he is starting the

940
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: full year. The only difference between those two besides, like

941
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, some logistics of their game, is that Jordan

942
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: Walker has no guarantee and Gunner Henderson does, and he

943
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: would push near the hundreds if the Cardinals moved Yepez

944
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: or Carlson or said it's his job to lose.

945
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I like where you're coming from here? All right, my

946
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: number one guy and Welsh's number one guy. Now, well's

947
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: cheated the whole show. So I'm gonna cheat one time,

948
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: because technically it's really not cheating because he was two

949
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: to oh one yesterday when we did the show sheet.

950
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: Now he has cracked. He is one ninety eight. He

951
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: is cheter new DH of the Los Angeles Dodgers. He's

952
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: JD Martinez. JD Martinez to me, if he's going anywhere

953
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: around this two hundred or post you under range. And

954
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: I could see this ADP starting to rise already because

955
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: people are saying, what are we doing? Like we can't

956
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: completely give up on Jady Martinez. He's going to be

957
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: thirty five this year, so he's an older player. We

958
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: saw the ISO drop precipitously last year from you know,

959
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: two thirty two and twenty twenty one to one seventy four.

960
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: But this is a player who's had down seasons and

961
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: come back from that as well. I think what we're

962
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: looking for here once again, sometimes fresh starts are good.

963
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: The environment for the Dodgers is a very good one too.

964
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: He does not have to carry this team. He doesn't

965
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: have to carry the load. He's got to be a contributor.

966
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: He's can he hit the five spot most likely, So

967
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: there's going to be lots of RBI potential too, But

968
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: in terms of slugging, I don't see a realm where

969
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: he does not get to the twenty home run platform.

970
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: I just I think he is going to hit that

971
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: plateau of twenty most likely get closer to twenty five.

972
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: And that's why as long as he hovers in this range,

973
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: he's the number one guy in this late round slugger list,

974
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: because this is I think a fantastic opportunity to buy

975
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: a low in a player where people are afraid at

976
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: this age that it's done, that it's over, and he's

977
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: just completely in decline. But we've seen this before with

978
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: players we thought were like that, they get a first

979
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: start a new team, all of a sudden, little bump,

980
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: they get back to at least close to who they

981
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: used to be. I am not saying this is a

982
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be contending for MVP, but in

983
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: a way that Dodgers kind of need him to step

984
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: up and be close. Can he be eighty percent of

985
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: jad Martinez? I think he still got that in him.

986
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: But outside of Freeman and outside of Bets, there's a

987
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: lot of questions in this Dodger lineup. I mean a

988
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: ton of questions here, so they need JD. Martinez to

989
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: be one of the answers for them. So he's my

990
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: number one guy again. He was two oh one yesterday,

991
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: he's one ninety eight today. We'll see what happens. But

992
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: to me, he's the best late round slugger you're gonna

993
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: find out there. Because all the other guys were talking about,

994
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else has the opportunity to

995
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 1: get to thirty. I think if everything breaks right for JD,

996
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: thirty is possible as well. I like it.

997
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: I like it. My number one guy is a cheat code.

998
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: He is a cheat code because no system knows where

999
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: to put him, or rank him, or draft and right

1000
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: rightful reasons though ESPN, I've drafted on fantracks, I've drafted

1001
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: on everywhere I've drafted on. He doesn't exist on lists,

1002
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: so you can get him absolutely cheap, especially when outfield

1003
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: struggles and he's on a team that perpetually has players

1004
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: projected with higher numbers. Here's a funny thing, and I'll

1005
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: tell you who the player is. I was just talking

1006
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: about this last night on another platform with Claver Torres.

1007
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: Glabor Torres is really interesting this year and if you

1008
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: go and look at his splits, the expected home runs

1009
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: in different ballparks. Clabor Torres, you know, cool homers here here.

1010
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: If claver Torres had hit all of his games in Cincinnati,

1011
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: labor Torres would have had a projected forty one homers

1012
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: last year. Cincinnati is just a boon for offensive production

1013
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: and Will Myers is the cheat code this year until

1014
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: adp start to take advantage of it, where you can

1015
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 2: get twenty plus homers really late in your drafts. We're

1016
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: talking three twenty five Steamer projection in only one hundred

1017
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: and thirty games. Has twenty homers, six Dolen bases, the

1018
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: Batex sixteen atc is seventeen and those are around one

1019
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty games. Cincinnati is just going to produce

1020
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: more runs. That's yeah. Did he do anything great or

1021
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: spectacular last year? No, not particularly. He did hit two sixty.

1022
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: He can steal a little bit. We saw what happened

1023
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: with Brandon Drury when he was able to succeed there.

1024
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: This is similar.

1025
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Jel Suarez became a revelation in Cincinnati and this.

1026
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: Is the same thing. I think you're looking at a

1027
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: two sixty to twenty plus home run hitter might be

1028
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: one of the better hitters in that entire lineup. He's

1029
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: going to get a get to hit probably between somewhere

1030
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 2: between three and five, and you're gonna get a lot

1031
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: of RBI, and he is just far down. I'm actually

1032
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: impressed that the ADP has him at three twenty five

1033
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: on Fantasy Pros because there are some places he is

1034
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: literally just buried down the list.

1035
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: It's all about games played. For Will Myers, if he

1036
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: can play one hundred and fifty games, he's going to

1037
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: obliterate that twenty home run number. I agree, I'm with

1038
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. So risk and reward there certainly

1039
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: part of this list, but three twenty five again free power.

1040
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: Everybody likes it, so Welsh's list can tell Marte, Josh Young, Perrazza,

1041
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Miguel Vargas, Matt Mrvis, Spencer Torkelsen, c j abrams Kirolof,

1042
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Walker, and Will Myers. For me my list Jock Peterson,

1043
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Michael canford O, Tristy Cassis, Lane, Thomas Trey Mancy, Jesse Winker,

1044
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: jan Ya pez avisayel Le Garcia, Joey Gallo, and Jade Martinez.

1045
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm contractually obligated by the way to say his name

1046
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: that way. I just I can tell you know you

1047
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,480
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1048
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1064
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