1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Encourage all 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: of you to go subscribe to the podcast. Make sure 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: you don't miss a moment. We're coming up on Christmas, 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: the holiday season and New Year's, all of that rolling 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: in together. No matter where you may be, we want 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: you to be able to find us and listen to 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: us everywhere, and so you can search out my name 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: Clay Travis, you can search out buck Sexton Boom. 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If you were advising the 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Biden White House, we saw their tepid comment and response 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: yesterday about the protests that are emerging in China surrounding 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: zero COVID. What would you tell the Biden White House 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: is the best possible way to support these protesters as 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: they fight back against Chinese authoritarianism. Well, thanks, Clay, And 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: what I would say is that the President Biden should 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: publicly and privately tell the Chinese that the United States 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: will impose severe consequences on China should the regime use 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: force against protesters. Those words yesterday from Admiral Kirby, the 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: NSC coordinator, and in Biden's statement, we're really disheartening, dispiriting 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: because if the United States doesn't defend freedom and democracy, 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: then no country in the world will. And it's not 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: just our effect on China, it's also the effect on 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: other countries around the world where they see we don't 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: defend our values. Gordon's back. Can you just give everybody 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: some sense of how long and how extreme China's lawdowns 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: have been, because the way the Biden administration has spoken 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: about it, it seems to be like, well, that's not 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: our policy, and it's probably going to be hard for 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: them to make it work. It seems like there's some 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: pretty extreme video, even by the standards of what we'd 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: expect in China, that's been coming out of some of 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: these lockdowns. What has it been like, well, just to 41 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: give you an example, on Thursday night, there was a 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: fire in an apartment block or a mucci and they 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: were reported ten killed. Most people think of somewhere between 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: forty and fifty died. People died buck because some were 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: actually in their apartments and could not get out because 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: the doors were wired shut on the outside. Now, there 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: also been reports which are true because we've seen the 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: video of people being welded into their apartments, and that 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: is how extreme the zero COVID policy is that people 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: are not allowed to leave their apartments for food or 51 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: for anything else if under quarantine. Gordon, how does this 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: end for China? I mean? And what I mean by 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: that is it doesn't seem like they're going to get 54 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: enough natural immunity from COVID based on the zero COVID policy. 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: We know that the COVID shots, no matter which one 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: you take, does not keep you from getting or spreading COVID. 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: So I don't see a pathway out of this for 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Chairman Z. What is the ultimate way that China handles 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: COVID given that they are effectively on a zero COVID 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: island now and even attempting to implement this policy, I 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: think that essentially the Communist Party falls because, as you 62 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: point out, and you're absolutely correct about that, Clay, there 63 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: is no way out for China. They are going to 64 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: maintain zero COVID for a variety of reasons. That has 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: already undermined the economy severely. We're seeing not only very 66 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: poor economic growth, if there's any growth at all, but 67 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: there's also been plunging property prices and a falling currency 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: than those are indirect results of zero COVID. China is 69 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: losing fast. Its status as the world's factory floored because 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: zero COVID rules have prevented China from not only manufacturing product, 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: but also getting it to ports and on ships for sailing. 72 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: So really this has been I think going to be 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: the end of the Communist Party. Maybe not this week, 74 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: but the Chinese people who were demonstrating over the weekend, 75 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: we're saying down with the Communist Party, and they're eventually 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: going to win because there's a lot more of them 77 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: than there are of party members. Okay, so you say 78 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: they're eventually going to win, and that's a heck of 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: a prediction. I know you've written about it. What's the 80 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: time frame of a Communist Party collapse in China look 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: like in your mind, well, I've been wrong on that, 82 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: so probably I'm the worst person in the world to ask. 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: But they're just to give you some context. I'd vote 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: a book two thousand and one saying that the Communist 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: Party would fall in a decade. In my defense play, 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: I will say I didn't perceive the two thousand and 87 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: eight downturn. But that's a longer story which we don't 88 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: have time to get into. But I think that we're 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: talking about a two or three year time frame, maybe 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: even less than that, because the Chinese people right now 91 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: are talking about getting rid of C. Jim Pang and 92 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: that is stunning. I didn't expect that. And it's those 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: protests that sprung up after the fire on Thursday. Remember 94 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: those protests across China North southeast West. They weren't organized, 95 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: they weren't coordinated, there was no leadership. It's just the 96 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: people want change when regimes. We're speaking to Gordon Chang, everybody, 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: The US Great US China Tech War is his latest book. 98 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: Also at Gordon G. Chang on Twitter is his Twitter handle, 99 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: which we all are big fans of Twitter these days 100 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: because it's a place where you actually can share your thoughts, 101 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: Yeay Gordon. When regimes are on pressure, obviously repression follows 102 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: in the case of a country that is a totalitarian 103 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: dictatorship like China, but there's also always the possibility of 104 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: some kind of external military operation, some effort to unite 105 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: the population behind, you know, the motherland so to speak, 106 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: because of a ongoing conquest or invasion which brings us 107 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: to Taiwan. What do you think the Chinese Communist Party's 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: aims are right now with regard to Taiwan? And are 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: you concerned about the US's willingness or even capability to 110 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: do anything about it. I think you're absolutely right that C. 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Jumping will think that he can distract the Chinese people 112 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: from his obvious policy and mistakes at home and tried 113 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: to unite them by creating some military misadventure abroad. Taiwan 114 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: is an obvious candidate, so Philippines in Japan as well. 115 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't really matter. What we're talking 116 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: about is the ability of United States to defend and 117 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: with regard to Taiwan, Biden personally, you know, you can 118 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: tell from his four media interviews where he actually said, yes, 119 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I will defend Taiwan militarily. But we've seen his administration 120 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: walk back his comments, which not only constituted constitutional crisis 121 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: in the US. That's because the White House Press Secretary 122 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: is not charged by the constitution with making foreign policy, 123 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: but also you know, the Chinese see the disarray, and 124 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: even if the administration is willing to defend Taiwan, and 125 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I tend to think they will, I believe the China 126 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: believes they won't. And what China believes is really very 127 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: very important because they're the actor in this. So yes, 128 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: we need to be very concerned. And the other thing 129 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: just buck we have a Pentagon, we have a Biden 130 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: administration that has no sense of urgency about what's going on, 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and so the Chinese can take us by surprise boarded. 132 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: A lot of times people think of an invasion as 133 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: a sign of strength, but if you look at the 134 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: population in China, for example, it's probably already peaked. The 135 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: one China policy is going to end up being a disaster. 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: They're now trying to get people to have two or 137 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: three children, but over the next couple of generations, by 138 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: the way, most Chinese are not doing that, even though 139 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: they can over the next couple of generations, the Chinese 140 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: population could get cut in a How much of China 141 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: wanting to attack and invade Taiwan is about weakness as 142 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: opposed to strength, And how do we psychologically analyze Chinese 143 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: motivation based on that knowledge? Yeah? I think Sgenting is 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: seeing a closing window of opportunity to achieve what he 145 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: believes are historic goals because you have the debt crisis, 146 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: plunging property prices, crumbling economy, flawing currency, worsening food shortages, 147 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: deteriating environment go on, you know, and clearly Cjim Paying 148 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: has no answers to these because his policies are actually 149 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: aggravating them. So yeah, I do believe that there's a 150 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: use it or lose it mentality, And so that's something 151 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: another thing which I think argues for a Chinese invasion 152 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. And by the way, there are 153 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: two Chinese demographers less Fall that actually predicted that China's 154 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: population would fall in half within forty five years. Gordon, 155 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: is there any off ramp that the Chinese Communist Party 156 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: may have from him? You mentioned that they may just 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: continue a zero COVID policy. Can't they realize at this 158 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: point given the protest that this is I mean, are 159 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: they doing this just because they're addicted to totalitarian control 160 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: or do they still believe the science. It just seems 161 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: somewhat unfathomable, right, It seems totally irrational, even for a 162 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: totalitarian actor like the Chinese Communist Party to think that 163 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: locking people in their homes for months on end is 164 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: going to do anything. Yes, yeah, they are addicted to 165 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: totalture and control and they're addicted to something else. You'd 166 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: rather to remember that the current rule or Cijun King 167 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: is Revere's MAO and now believe that China's Communists could 168 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: do anything in the world. You know, they could conquer nature, 169 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: they could do whatever. And so I think they believe 170 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: that they can conquer a SARS covie two, the pathogen 171 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: that causes COVID nineteen. So they believe that. And Ciejun 172 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: Ping generally believes that his will can accomplish anything. So 173 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: that's another layer on a very dangerous mentality. So yeah, 174 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: this guy is this is not something that people outside 175 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: China's easy for them to fathom because it is just 176 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: so abnormal, so ludicrous. But that's what they believe, and 177 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: that's what's important. That's what they believe, Gordon. If we'd 178 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: had this conversation of the nineteen eighties, everybody was terrified 179 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: at Japan. Japan was buying up all the property in 180 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: the United States. The economy of Japan was white hot. 181 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: The idea was Japan's taking over the world. Over the 182 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: last forty years, Japan has mostly been stagnant, and they 183 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: fell apart in the late eighties. What does the future 184 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: of China look like? Do you believe that China will 185 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: become the biggest economy in the world. If they do, 186 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: can they stay there? What does China look like in 187 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: forty years if the communism collapses, what replaces it? You 188 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: mentioned the demography. I'm fascinated by it, the demographics of 189 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: potentially the Chinese population being cut in half. We know 190 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Japan is declining its population aging rapidly. The same thing 191 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: is going to happen in China. How does this end? Well, 192 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't end with the Chinese dominating the world. 193 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, I graduated college. I'm going to date myself here. 194 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: I graduated college during the arab oil embargo, and I 195 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: just knew that I was going to be working for 196 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: some shake for the rest of my life. So when 197 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: the Japanese at the end of the nineteen eighties looked 198 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: like that they were going to own planet Earth, I said, 199 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how this ends, but it's not going 200 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: to end that way because I'm not working for some 201 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: Arab and the same thing with China. China in forty years, 202 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: I think is going to be a weak country, could 203 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: very well be divided, cut up, who knows where it's 204 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: going to be. But it's not going to be ruling 205 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: the world, you know. And it's not just demography, it 206 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: is everything else that is. All these crises are hitting 207 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: China at the same time, and it would be a 208 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: challenge for any group of leaders, but it is certainly 209 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: a challenge for a malice who has lost touch with 210 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: the world as it is. Gordon Chang, I mean, this 211 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: is fantastic stuff at Gordon s Chang on Twitter. Go 212 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: fall him there, thank him for coming on the show. 213 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: Read his books, Gordon. We appreciate the time. Thank you 214 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: so much, Clay, and thank you so much, Buck, Thank you, 215 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: thank you, Gordon. Great stuff. Oh wait, I don't think 216 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: I didn't look at over forty By the way, what 217 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: does it say he graduated here? In the oil embargo. 218 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, No, he's aging a lot better than 219 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: I am, for sure, And I just I'm fascinated by 220 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: all of the demographic data coming out of China and 221 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: where we're headed. I think the Chinese, Chinese government and 222 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: the Chinese economy in general, I grew Gordon is way 223 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: weaker than we're analyzing. And I just I don't know 224 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: where it's headed. But I'm not as afraid of China 225 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: in ten years as I am right now, because that's 226 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: an amazing place that's not strength. Early on, Remember there 227 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: were people who were concerned there was this theory and 228 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: it was not correct, But there's theory out there. Oh well, 229 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: China was trying to get ahead of us with COVID, 230 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: and they're going to come out of it so much 231 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: stronger than we are, and they're doing ther lockdowns so 232 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: much stronger. Therefore they'll come out sooner and they'll be 233 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: so much better. Totally the opposite, totally. Yeah. So many people, 234 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, the experts, the blue checks, were so wrong 235 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: about COVID and and still are so wrong about China. 236 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: And that's one reason they're not speaking out very much 237 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,239 Speaker 1: about these Chinese protests because they would have to acknowledge 238 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: that the lockdowns and the shutdowns which they pointed to 239 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: as a great strength of China, and by the way, 240 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: New Zealand and Australia, which have completely abandoned them. Yeah, 241 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: they're not really stepping out there because it requires acknowledgement. 242 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: Here's the problem for Biden the White House. If China's 243 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: super strict lockdowns were utterly pointless and devastating, which they were, 244 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: what were our halfass lockdowns in this country, in New York, 245 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: in LA and San fran and etc. What were they? Clay, Oh, 246 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: it's why they're not talking about it very much. I 247 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: really do firmly believe it. The Tubtle Twins, by the way, 248 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: we were talking about educating your kids and making them 249 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: aware of what's going on. Tubtle Twins are extending their 250 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Cyber Monday deal into Cyber Week. This is the book 251 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: publisher creating great educational book for kids. 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We've follow very carefully our COVID nineteen community levels. 274 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: These are levels of infection that are circulating severe disease 275 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: that are coming into the hospitals and how high our 276 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: hospital levels are, how many beds are occupied by people 277 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen very high levels in the Bronx and Queens, 278 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: as you noted, and in those areas we do specifically 279 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: recommend masking. Also lots of areas in New York with 280 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: medium community levels and COVID nineteen community levels, and again 281 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: there would recommend masking if you are risk of severe 282 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: disease or if you're going to be around people at 283 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: risk of severe ditis. Oh yeah, I just keep masking up. 284 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: That's the CDC chief, Chelle Lenski, who is lucky that 285 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Fauci exists because she gets so much less of our 286 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: rage on the show. But she's really as bad as 287 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: Fauci in a lot of ways, has been wrong just 288 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: as much. She was the one who told you you 289 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: won't get it, you won't spread it if you got 290 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the vaccine. She also is still defending vaccine mandates. We 291 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: don't have time for that sound bite right the second Clay, 292 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: but I just want to point out they're not stopping 293 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: for I mean, we look at the lockdowns in China, 294 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: we go, how can they be so crazy? Well, we 295 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: just have a slightly less crazy crazy in this country, 296 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: if we didn't have federalism, we would have locked down, 297 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: just like Australia and just like New Zealand. And if 298 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: we didn't have Florida Governor Ron de Santis, we might 299 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: well have done it otherwise, because remember DeSantis. Buck was 300 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: comfortable being the tip of the spear and taking all 301 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: of the criticism for keeping Florida open, and then, to 302 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: their credit, a lot of other Republican governors were willing 303 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: to follow that lead. But my goodness, I don't know 304 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: that I've ever been greater in my happiness for federalism 305 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: than after what we just lived through. I can't imagine 306 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: having been you Buck and having to live in New 307 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: York City. 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I am wearing a US 336 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: soccer jersey. As in a little bit less than thirty minutes, 337 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the United States is going to be playing Iran in 338 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: a winner go home scenario. If you if you are 339 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: out there and you hate soccer, ties and everything else, 340 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: the United States has only two options. You win or 341 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: your season is over. Your World Cup is over when 342 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: and you advanced to the round of sixteen for knockout 343 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: stage lose or tie, and your time in Qatar is over. 344 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: So in about thirty minutes, I'm going to turn on 345 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: the television, do my best not to react during the 346 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: final hour of the program as we do this show, 347 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: and also Buck is trying to avoid I believe the score. 348 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: So that's the sports aspect. Does anybody think that Clay 349 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: is going to keep a poker face on while because 350 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't think any of us believe. Clay gets so 351 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: excited over the big sports ball events. So this is 352 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: gonna be a fun thing to watch him. He's like, 353 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch him with his with his face, you know, 354 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: his upper lip quivering just a little bit as he 355 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: sees what's going on, but I'm gonna watch it afterwards, 356 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: and you know, I um, you know. I actually was 357 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: at the World Cup in night. I saw a match 358 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. My dad took me. So that 359 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: was like the when they were in the United States. 360 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: Where did you go to a game? And in New 361 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: York area Guyan Stadium I saw. I remember it was 362 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: like Morocco, and I forget who they were playing. I 363 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: was young and I was I was a kid. I 364 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: don't remember, um, but I did go with my high 365 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: school soccer team to the World Cup in France in 366 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. We had like a fundraiser, we'd like 367 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: a walkathon or something. We raised money and then the 368 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: team went over there and I saw Belgium play Holland, 369 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: which is like those tiny countries next door. Both descended 370 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: upon Paris. The whole countries for that soccer matches. Pretty wild. 371 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: That is pretty cool. So now the game itself, obviously 372 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: rooting for the United States against Iran, this is a 373 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: big deal geopolitically too. We played yesterday on Graham, the 374 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Iranian propagandist aka their media grilling the United States players 375 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: and coach and arguing, oh you guys are not actually free, right, 376 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: But this is pretty monstrous because Iran is in the 377 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: middle buck of a real sort of i would say, 378 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: vanguard uprising against their government over the way women are 379 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: treated in that country. And so they have told the 380 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: Iranian soccer team. And this is why I'm gonna be 381 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: watching irrespective of what happens in the game. There are 382 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: reports that they have told the members of the Iranian 383 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: soccer team that if they do not sing the national anthem, 384 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: they are going to torture their family members back in Iran. 385 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: So I want everyone out there to just think about 386 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: this for a minute. We've had sports and politics colliding 387 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: for years over the national anthem in this country, and 388 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: what has ended up happening is the Colin Kaepernicks of 389 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: the world have made millions of dollars by refusing to 390 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: stand for the national anthem. In other words, our woke 391 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: companies have actually rewarded them for their protest. In Iran, 392 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: if you don't sing the national anthem, they are reportedly 393 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: going to torture the family members of these soccer players. 394 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: This is a different level of bravery, it's a different 395 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: level of pressure, it's a different level of significance for 396 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: all of these Iranian players who in the opening game 397 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: of the World Cup did not sing the national anthem 398 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: because they were supporting all of the women who are 399 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: protesting in Iran for basic human rights which they currently 400 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: do not have. Look, there's a lot of bad blood 401 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: between the regimes, but a lot of solidarity between the people, 402 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: our people and their people, at least those in Iran 403 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: who want freedom. Our regime and the Iranian well. Our 404 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: government and the Iranian regime obviously has had in all 405 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: senses a deeply troubled and hostile, openly hostile relationships since 406 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, since they took hostages at the US embassy, 407 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: and the fact that this was such a big thing 408 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: for Iran in nineteen ninety four when they beat the 409 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: US men's team two to one, as partly indicative. I 410 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: think one of they never get wins against the US really, 411 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you look at the Iranian governments. 412 00:23:53,760 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: It's a sclerotic kleptocracy of mister Vocab That one just 413 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: kind of float. I don't know what to say, but yeah, 414 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a bunch it's a bunch of um dictators 415 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: in clerical robes and the economy is garbage, which it 416 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: shouldn't be. The only reason they're able to fund their 417 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: military and other government expenditures just because they have oil. 418 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: If they didn't, the whole place would would be in 419 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: free fall collapse. The regime doesn't actually liberalize in meaningful ways. 420 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: We keep going through these phases where we say, oh, 421 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe now it's a government of hardliners too. About a 422 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: decade ago, there was a moment, Oh, they're gonna have 423 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: to They're gonna moderate things. Remember the Obama administration, the 424 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Iran deal. We're gonna we're gonna bring them, normalize things 425 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: with them. No, they just got crazier. Actually, So there's 426 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: not also a whole lot else going on in the 427 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: international scene for Iran. You know, there there are people 428 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: listening right now. We're like Buck, I don't even care, Clay, 429 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: I don't even care about the US men's national soccer team. 430 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: In Iran, the whole country is gonna watch. There's really nothing. 431 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: There's no other game in town, so to speak, and 432 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: this is their one opportunity to try to get some 433 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: kind of a win on the world stage against the 434 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: United States. And I also feel like unfortunate that creates 435 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: all these like none of the US players should feel 436 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: geopolitical pressure. They should have the normal like we're Americans, 437 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: we kick bud, like go get them guys, But they 438 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: shouldn't feel geopolitical pressure to perform. But I think some 439 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: of them are going to because they realize, you know, 440 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: there was remember the Axis of Evil. This is part 441 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: of the axis of evil, folks. Well, and if the 442 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: United States loses, there will be a celebration the death 443 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: to America, chance the burning of the American flag. I'm 444 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: sure we'll be taking place in Iranian streets, and I 445 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: would be being encouraged by government propagandists. Buck, I actually think. 446 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't think the Biden White House will do it, 447 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: but it would be an incredible moment of bravery for 448 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: our country to speak out and say that we will 449 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: not allow Iran to attack the family members of the 450 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: Iranian soccer team. Now, I don't think we could follow 451 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: through on unfortunately, think something we could, well, we could have, 452 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we Look, that's the problem is that 453 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: you're going to have these Iranian players at the mercy 454 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: of this regime, and we don't have that many. We 455 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: don't have that many levers in Iran. We don't even 456 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: have diplomatic relations with Iran. We have to think the 457 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: only thing we can do is say we're once and 458 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: for all, we're done negotiating, and we're actually going to 459 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 1: adopt this is what we should do. We're actually going 460 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: to adopt the Israeli perspective. The Israelis have been running 461 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: roughshot over the Iranian nuclear program for some time. They've 462 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: been sabotaging it. They've been executing high level Iranian scientist. 463 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: I think if the United States was actually being run 464 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: in a honest and straight, straightforward and trustworthy manner, we 465 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: would just say that right, we're done with all this 466 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: ridiculous negotiations. You guys are terrorists. You are, as you said, 467 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: kleptocrats using clerical robes to try to ruin a country 468 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: and the people that actually overwhelmingly reject the validity of 469 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: their rulers. And so we're going to actually go to 470 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: war in a sense with you over your ability to 471 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: get nuclear weapons, and Israel has basically set it. I 472 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: don't know why we're pretending that we're not doing it. 473 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: Just let that be known, and I hope we kicked 474 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: their assids We've been Yeah, I hope we beat them 475 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: in soccer. I mean the geopolitical side of this, there's 476 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: some some nuances and some some other component. But for 477 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: one thing, Clay, we've been fighting various proxy wars against 478 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: the Iranians forever in the Middle East, really, I mean 479 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: stretching backs. Early in the nineteen seventy nine they were 480 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: getting they were going after us in Iraq, and then 481 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: we went out, you know, we killed Kasam Solomani. I mean, 482 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of back and forth, so I 483 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: don't you know, yeah, these first of all, the Israelis 484 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: about their operations, don't talk about anything that's their policy. 485 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: So there's US reporting or you know, Western Western reporting 486 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: on what's happening to a nuclear scientist. The Israelis keep 487 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff real quiet, whatever they're doing or not doing. 488 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: That's one part of this. But obviously everybody knows that 489 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: there is a there are open hostilities going on between 490 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Iran and Israel. The problem that I think is raised 491 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: with what you're saying, or you know, with the approach 492 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: of why don't we just say this, Clay, the Democrat 493 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: Party thinks that we're the problem with Iran. That's really 494 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: the problem. They think we're the problem. So that's what 495 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm because actually had honest policy, it would be great 496 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: to just stand up and actually point out that that's 497 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, I mean there are if you walk 498 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: around the streets of New York or LA or San 499 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: France or Chicago or DC, not to mention a whole 500 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: bunch of other places, and you just ask random passers 501 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: by on the street who think they know about geopolitics, Hey, 502 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, we have a tough relationship with Iran. Whose 503 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: fault is it. You get a lot of them be like, Oh, 504 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: it's American imperialism, and it's because and some of them 505 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: even try to show off and be like, oh it's 506 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: because of what we did with the Shaw and Mosa deck. 507 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: You know, they start coming back to the night nineteen fifties, 508 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. So they think it's our fault, Clay, that's 509 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: the problem. And that's unfortunately half the country. The blame 510 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: America first caucus is alive and well. On the Iranian issue, well, 511 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: there's an obsession obviously based on who Trump is having 512 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: dinner with, with the idea that Republicans are anti Semitic. 513 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: There's actually a hugely anti Semitic portion of the Democrat 514 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: base right now that refuses to stand up for Israel, 515 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: that refuses to condemn many of these Middle Eastern countries 516 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: for their clearly anti Semitic behavior. I mean even on Twitter, 517 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: that they still have Comeni on Twitter, and I believe 518 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm correct Buck that he has basically said that the 519 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: Jewish you know, attacked Jews regularly from his Twitter account. Uh. 520 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: And of course he's not banned. Uh And and does 521 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: Comeni list his preferred pronouns, because you know, Twitter has rules, 522 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: or at least it used to. I don't think they're 523 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: going to have any any admirals who are transgender anytime 524 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: soon in the Iranian military. Look that game coming up soon, 525 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: but it is a major geopolitical flashpoint, and it will 526 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: be intriguing to see in about fifteen minutes how that 527 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: game begins, and whether the Iranian players do or do 528 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: not seeing the national anthem of their country, and whether 529 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: those threats of terror activity on behalf against their family 530 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: are going to emerge. It's a story that may well 531 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: pop in the next fifteen minutes or so. 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The Clay Dravis and Buck Sexton show 557 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: how she is almost certain, not ninety nine and maybe seventy, 558 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: perhaps more like fifty two percent sure that we did 559 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: not in fact fund the wuhand that he did not 560 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: through a grant, through third party fund the Wuhan research lab. Clay, 561 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: you may have seen this one. I thought this was interesting. 562 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: If you're Fouci, you've gotten everything wrong, you've lied about everything, 563 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: and you're horrible. Don't you just say, yeah, I'm certain 564 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: we didn't fund the Like it's one thing to say 565 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: it didn't come from a lab. But here is little 566 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Fouch who remind remind of everybody he's going to be 567 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the preferred You know, you're gonna have Fouci going on 568 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: TV telling you about fourth of July firework safety at 569 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: CNN for the next five years, like he's gonna be 570 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: their guy. Just don't have it go kaboom in your hand. 571 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: Here he is saying that, you know, he's like almost 572 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: certain that the US and he didn't fund the Wuhan 573 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: lab that led to COVID Play six. The investigation is 574 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: going to be about specifically whether there's any connection if 575 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: there was a league two US investments in virus research 576 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: at the Wuhan Lab. It's possible, right if you look 577 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: at the viruses that the NIH funded, and it was 578 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: a very small grant one twenty one hundred and thirty 579 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year granting to study bat viruses in 580 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: a surveillance way. Anybody who even has a peripheral understanding 581 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: of evolutionary virology will tell you these viruses could not 582 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: possibly turn into sauce Kobe too. So when you talk 583 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: about a leak, maybe there's a lab leak, but it's 584 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: not with the viruses that the NIH was funding. That's 585 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: almost certain that that's the case. So Clay, maybe they 586 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: were just funding the institute that was doing the research, 587 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the specific grant. There wasn't the specific 588 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: virus for that grant, but they were still sending checks 589 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: to where I think we're gonna find. I mean, I 590 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: do believe it was created a lab, that we both 591 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: believe that for a long time. Evidence all supports that 592 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: it was created in a lab. And I'm not claiming, 593 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: nor are you, that we are virology experts. But it's 594 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: almost like with a jury. When you are sitting on 595 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: a jury. You're not an expert in murder if you're 596 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: sitting in a murder trial, but you listen to all 597 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: the evidence and determine what the most likely outcome is 598 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: and then render your verdict based on all of that 599 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: data and all that evidence. There has been zero animal 600 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: that I have seen, Buck, where they have been able 601 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: to find an animal that appears to have had the 602 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: original COVID outbreak. And given the fact that we know 603 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: they were working with highly infectious diseases literally at the 604 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: Wuhan virology clinic, and that this happened to break out 605 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: and become noticeable in Wuhan, all of the evidence Okam's 606 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: razor if you want to apply it also, I will 607 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: say this, Buck, do we really think that the Chinese 608 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: are likely to have aggressively distinguished between where the money 609 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: was being spent when it came to their virus research? 610 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: In other words, if we're giving this is indefensible to 611 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: me in the first place. The fact that American taxpayers 612 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: are giving money in any way to create novel viruses 613 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: in China, Like why are we funding Chinese research? In 614 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: the first place. I also loves it was only in 615 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: a surveillance mode, so we weren't like inviting the virus 616 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: over for a couple of beers to watch the game. 617 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: We were through glass in a Petri dish looking at it, going, 618 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: how are you doing, virus? What's happening? Very different, Clay. 619 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: When Fauci says that he's almost certain something happened, Buck, 620 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: I distrust this man so much that it makes me 621 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: almost certain that it did happen. And let me just 622 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: ask you this. If you were in charge of grants 623 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: to the nih and you had definitely given taxpayer funded 624 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: grants to the Wuhan Virology Institute, all right, everybody that 625 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 1: place is called, would it surprise you if they were 626 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: lying about this in general? And sorry to cut you off, Buck, 627 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: but I'm watching right now. They are showing the Iranian 628 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: the Iranian national team. It's all singing the national anthem 629 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: as they are being panned across right now as we 630 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: are speaking. So that's a that's a news update. That's valid. 631 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: That's valid, mister Clay Travis. But no goal scoring goals. 632 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, look, anything that China does that is unethical, immoral, illegal, 633 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: or you know, that's not surprising at all, but Fauci, 634 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: we gotta stay on the origins, the origins of COVID. 635 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: You know, Clay, I want to talk about the Biden 636 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: administration just kind of slipped this through right before the break. 637 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, begin a bunch more oil from Venezuela, 638 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: which is really interesting because I thought that they were 639 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: so worried about climate chains that we couldn't produce the 640 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: oil here at home. But also they're not willing to 641 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: give a grant guarantee to the nearby country of Guiana 642 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: in South America. I'll explain why this all actually matters 643 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: a lot about commies, socialists, the media, libs, you know, 644 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the 645 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: front Lines of Truth.