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Speaker 4: of the New England Patriots, and guys. Just over a

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Speaker 4: week until the NFL Draft, We're kind of in silly season.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is when the rumors start to

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Speaker 4: come out. This is happening, this isn't happening. But for

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Speaker 4: the Patriots, Paul, it's all about shouldhar Sanders. Is he

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Speaker 4: going to go in the top three and push either

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Speaker 4: Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter down. We've been back and

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Speaker 4: forth all spring with this and it sounds like Shoulder

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Speaker 4: Sanders taking some meetings with the Giants, perhaps some interest

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Speaker 4: out there in him that maybe should be intriguing to

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Speaker 4: the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying there's a chance, you know, that's all

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Speaker 5: anybody wanted, and you know, coinciding with that, you know,

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Speaker 5: there's reports that Abdul Carter came to borrow and visit

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Speaker 5: with the Patriots as well, so I think they're doing

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Speaker 5: the due diligence. Obviously, it makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 5: to know as much about those guys that you are

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Speaker 5: going to have a possibility of selecting it for. You

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Speaker 5: can't just assume that prospect X is not going to

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Speaker 5: be available. You have to make sure you figure out

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Speaker 5: who you know that you are interested in, and you

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Speaker 5: know as much about those guys. Abdul Carter is sort

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Speaker 5: of an interesting guy. I think it'd be a no

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Speaker 5: brainer pick if he somehow slipped to four, much like

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Speaker 5: I think the rest of the panel does. But you

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Speaker 5: still want to know, you know, some of this off

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Speaker 5: field stuff that you mentioned Silly season that's starting to

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Speaker 5: pop up about all these guys.

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Speaker 2: You want to learn as much as you can have.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about the roller coaster with with

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Speaker 3: Stilly season is right? I mean, we're at the point

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Speaker 3: now where every team in the top three or four

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Speaker 3: the Patriots have picked six different guys at this point.

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Speaker 3: So I'll find out here soon enough. I think you know,

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Speaker 3: with the Giants and Shador specifically, it's one of two things.

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Speaker 3: Either this was their plan all along, that they were

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Speaker 3: this is when the owners tend to get involved in

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Speaker 3: you look at last year. Don't you think that there's

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Speaker 3: though he didn't play. I think all three of those guys,

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Speaker 3: So if you're the Giants, you have to be one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent sure that Shador Sanders is not going to

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Speaker 3: it's going to be tough for that regime if that's

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Speaker 3: what they do now. At Abdil Carter just quickly it's

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Speaker 3: a no brainer. If he's there at four for the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best players in the draft,

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Speaker 3: if not the best player in the draft. Certainly be

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Speaker 3: and I think you'd look at a defense that's pretty

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Speaker 3: make sure that you get all those informations behind the scene.

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Speaker 4: Yea, and that visits sports supposedly Carter visiting the Patriots

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Speaker 4: earlier this week on Monday Batists break it down for me, though,

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Speaker 4: Is this real? Like, I'm sick of going back and

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Speaker 6: I mean, we've been going in waves of if it's

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Speaker 6: they're really like, it's real that there's a chance that

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Speaker 4: What do you guys think though, as we sit here

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Speaker 2: Think is gonna happen here for the Patriots?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I did my final mock draft spoiler alert

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Speaker 4: check it out, Will Campbell. I just tried to hit

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Speaker 4: trying not to get crazy like Ashtrian Genty last.

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Speaker 2: Time, Paul. But to me, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it seems like a pick that makes the most sense.

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Speaker 5: So you let Evan beat you down, is what you

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Speaker 5: So you're saying, what do I think the Patriots are

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Speaker 5: I don't see Sheda Sanders going in the top three.

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Speaker 5: I think Carter and Hunter will be two three in

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Speaker 5: Georgia defensive guys, you know, Jalen Walker would be the

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Speaker 6: it's I've made my bed with Will Campbell, which isn't

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Speaker 4: All right, well, we got a jam packed episode here.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the wide receivers, the running backs and

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Speaker 4: tight ends. Long positional preview, the first check out, Evans

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazard's the Patriots Countdown film Room,

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Speaker 3: and today a really exciting position for you all. I

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Speaker 3: hope you guys are looking forward to this one. The

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Speaker 3: a second, and this right here is just Travis Hunter

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Speaker 3: On days one and two, I expect him to take

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Speaker 4: At long last, it's finally time to talk about the

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Speaker 4: wide receivers, the running backs, and the tight ends. Guys,

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Speaker 4: these are three positions we spend a lot of time

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Speaker 2: Each year the position seemed to change.

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Speaker 4: A little bit though, and this year I'd say the

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Speaker 4: just going to throw Travis Hunter out there to start.

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Speaker 4: He plays both ways, but if he was drafted by

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Speaker 2: Going to come here and probably going to be a

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Speaker 1: Of the gate.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, you love the athleticism, you love all the intrigue

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Speaker 5: be able to do. I know Evan talks about this

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Speaker 5: And people say, well, he's not a great route runner. Well,

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Speaker 5: So I am intrigued by what he could be in

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Speaker 4: What does it look like Evan, if he's drafted here

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Speaker 3: I think at first you need to have him dive

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Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, I would not expect him to come out

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Speaker 2: Yea, Tsu, you're always on these wide receivers. I remember

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Speaker 4: I always bring up t Higgins, but you always really

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Speaker 2: What do you think of Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I love Hunter. It's crazy.

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Speaker 6: You remember when he flipped from Florida State to Jackson State.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of crazy to see a progression go all

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Speaker 6: ends up being a Patriot. But I think so much

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Speaker 1: I agree with having with that.

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Speaker 4: So all right, I'm gonna throw a few more names

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Speaker 4: I see these as kind of the first second round guys.

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Speaker 2: But the four guys Ted McMillan.

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Speaker 4: Plenty about him, big tall receiver, contested catch guy, Matthew

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Speaker 4: Golden really had a strong year.

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Speaker 4: A mechag Buka from Ohio State, probably the most pro

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Speaker 4: ready polished wide receiver. Maybe not a standout in anything,

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Speaker 4: And lastly, Luther Burden ran a four to four to one.

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Speaker 4: He's another guy that you know, all these guys have.

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Speaker 4: What's your flavor? You know, and Paul, I don't know

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Speaker 5: Those two, Golden and Burden would be my preferences. I

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Speaker 2: Which the one Z, there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that kind of versatility athleticism. I like

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Speaker 5: into that second round category. I'm interested in that. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Golden ran the unbelievable forty time with the combine. I

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Speaker 4: Be Maybe Burden falls, but the other guys maybe in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always loved Luther Burden. I think Luther Burden

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a first round grade on Luther Burden.

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Speaker 5: I would just say, you know, on the field, he

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Speaker 3: Two really opposite like career arcs for Burden and Golden.

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Speaker 6: What stands out tot for those top guys, Well, listen,

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, well he's there for five years.

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Speaker 6: been all of them, all of them. But he I

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Speaker 6: think if he could maybe fall into that late first round,

438
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Speaker 6: maybe early second round, that'd be a good a good

439
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,919
Speaker 6: shot there. I also want to talk about, maybe a

440
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 6: bit later, Kyle william and Isaiah Bond Just too fast, guys.

441
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 3: You got to get to that. We're gonna get to that.

442
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 6: No, no, But Kyle Williams the one that stands out

443
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 6: to me too just you know, not the greatest route runner,

444
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 6: but he's very fast.

445
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 1: Get the ball in his hand and see what happened.

446
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just stole my thunder there a little bit

447
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 4: tea because I was going to talk about three guys

448
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 4: a little bit later down and we can skip around

449
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 4: a little bit. Please bring up you know, Jayden Higgins,

450
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,400
Speaker 4: Jack Besh if you guys want, But I just gonna

451
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 4: throw out Jalen Noel, Isaiah Bond and and and Kyle Williams.

452
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 4: Three guys who can all run, who are all fast

453
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 4: and That's what I think personally, I want to see

454
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 4: out of this draft is get maybe it did Day

455
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Speaker 4: three guy, not Day three, third round kind of guy

456
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 4: somewhere in that range. Doesn't have to be a high roundup,

457
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 4: but just to bring this an element of speed to

458
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 4: this team. I've been all over I mean Isaiah Bond

459
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 4: since early. You know, he was at Texas, you know,

460
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 4: with Golden and it hasn't quite lived up to that potential.

461
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 2: But all these guys are absolutely is talent.

462
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 4: Alabama guy, I mean ran a four to three seven,

463
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 4: Noel ran a four to three nine. Kyle Williams not

464
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 4: too far behind with a four to four to rowho.

465
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 4: So for me, when I look at this wide receiver

466
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,679
Speaker 4: roster right now, those are the kind of guys that

467
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 4: I'm intrigued in.

468
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't have to be a high round pick.

469
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Speaker 4: I think those high round picks need to go towards

470
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 4: offensive tackle and defensive end. But I think when we

471
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Speaker 4: get to Day three, those are three guys that jump

472
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 4: out to me as guys who have some speed.

473
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Speaker 2: I know, Paul, you have a comment on those guys. Yes,

474
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Speaker 2: somebody else.

475
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Speaker 5: Haines is my you know, because I like the guys

476
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Speaker 5: on the outside. I think that at some point. You know,

477
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 5: we talk a lot about left tackle, and rightly so,

478
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 5: about kicking the can down. They have not had that

479
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 5: kind of guy in a while. The bigger guy. I'm

480
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 5: a little intrigued by him. I mean, obviously this flaw.

481
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 5: He's not a first round projection, so there's problems with

482
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Speaker 5: his game, and there's going to be problems with these

483
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 5: kinds of guys. Not probably as fast, is what you know.

484
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Speaker 5: The guys certainly not certainly not as shifty as some

485
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 5: of those smaller guys. But I think they have enough

486
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Speaker 5: of the smaller guys. I'm looking for some size.

487
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jayden Higgins, his issues really are with speed and

488
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: with separation down the field. I compared him to like

489
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 3: Michael Pittman junior with the Colts, where he's going to

490
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: really be like a big possession receiver. You know, you're

491
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Speaker 3: not going to really get a ton of downfield stretch

492
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: with him, but you're going to have those for some

493
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 3: second level wins. Like he's really good at, you know,

494
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: running slants in cuts, finding soft spots and zone coverage

495
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 3: like that sort of thing. That's why a lot of

496
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: people help project him to maybe move inside and play

497
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: like a big slot role instead of a pure outside

498
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 3: guy at the next level. Kyle Williams is interesting. He

499
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: can play a little bit on the outside and he

500
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: can stack over the top on go routes, so you

501
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: see some of that release quickness and that ability off

502
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage certainly with him. He's got good

503
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: play speed, really good with the football in his hands

504
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: if you want to scheme touch his for him and

505
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: things like that. He's been someone that's I would put

506
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Speaker 3: in kind of like the late riser category. He's twenty

507
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 3: three years old, he had a little bit of a

508
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 3: late breakout and has just kind of steadily climbed up

509
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: the media boards at least during the draft process. But

510
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: when we get into that Kyle Williams mold, it's kind

511
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 3: of like a day two stack to me of you know,

512
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: Jalen Noel, Kyle Williams, Isaiah Bond, and then Jalen Royals

513
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: from Utah State. All four of those guys are kind

514
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: of the same type of receiver. It's just a flavor

515
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: thing of which one you prefer. I'm no guy Jalen

516
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: Nole from Io State. I think he reminds me a

517
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: ton of Tyler Lockett speed slot receiver, a really good separator,

518
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: really good technician, but he has the speed to push

519
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: it down the field. But if you had Kyle Williams

520
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: as your guy in that stack, like it's it's pretty

521
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 3: clustered together, So I wouldn't, you know, be too mad

522
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: about that. But those four guys, if that, you know

523
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: what Deuce was describing, and I agree just looking at

524
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: the way they've moved throughout this process too. With the Patriots,

525
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: it does seem like they're trying to get separators, which

526
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Speaker 3: I think is is good. Like I think they are

527
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: kind of trying to get away from, you know, the

528
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: Jalen polk archetype maybe a little bit, and get guys

529
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: that can really get open at the top of the

530
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: route and down the field. And all four of those

531
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Speaker 3: guys would fit that category.

532
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Speaker 4: I'm just soon to jump in real quick before I

533
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Speaker 4: go to uts, just because Jack Bash and Savior of

534
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 4: Restrepplo Restrepber around four a five down and is pro

535
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Speaker 4: day not good.

536
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Speaker 2: Drop his status.

537
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Speaker 4: Those are the guys I'm struggling a little bit with

538
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 4: because I think I look at their personalities and they're tough,

539
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 4: and they may catches and they seem like Rabel kind

540
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 4: of a guy's But I don't think this is what

541
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: this team needs right now. We got a bunch of

542
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 4: those kind of guys, so I respect how those guys play,

543
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: and I mean he can't of course. You know Jack

544
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 4: Besh's story with his brother passing away, as you know,

545
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: and then the performance he had in the Senior Bowl

546
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: catching the last touchdown.

547
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: Great performance. And you know you love how Reverstreppo.

548
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 4: I loved him at the at the Combine too, just

549
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 4: the way he talked about the studying and the time

550
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 4: he puts in.

551
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: But for me, I'm leaning more towards those speed guys.

552
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you dudes. Ristreppo dropped down a

553
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 6: little for me. I like Tess Johnson also, and then

554
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 6: some really late round guys Jimmy Horn junior from Colorado.

555
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a coach, frime guy, but best guy there.

556
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 6: I also want to throw out Rock Taylor. He was

557
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 6: in my NCAA season, of course, but no, he's He's

558
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 6: just a prototypical outside receiver. Good hands, can make a

559
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 6: big play. So that might be like, you know, a

560
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 6: seventh round pick guy.

561
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a tough time, like you mentioned with

562
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: you know, Betch and Alika alamnaer Tz, you know, Tess Harris. Yeah,

563
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: like those guys, like I, I I don't know if

564
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: they're gonna really bring like the game bake breaking element

565
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: that this team needs. Like I feel like the Patriots

566
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: need some special movers on the offensive side of the ball,

567
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: like some real separators, some real speed to that position.

568
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: Like some people think Betch is gonna be like a

569
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: flex tight end at the next level. You know, I

570
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: kind of thought of him as sort of like Juwan

571
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: Jennings type, right, you know, like that kind of receiver,

572
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: you know, a man or same thing. Like he's he's thicker,

573
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: and he's got a really good, you know, play strength

574
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 3: to him, and he's got some explosiveness, but he's not speed.

575
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: You know, He's not fast down the field. And I

576
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: think they are going to try to get some more

577
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: of those guys. So just a couple of those guys

578
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: on on late you know, later in the draft Day three.

579
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I've I've talked about Dante Thornton a lot

580
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: from Tennessee. I like to call him the Joe Milton

581
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: of wide receivers, Like he's one of those guys that

582
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: if you just looked at the raw data and the measurables,

583
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: you'd be like, how is this guy not like DK

584
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: metcalf good, Like he's a freak. He's like six foot

585
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: four two o five four three forty yard dash, just

586
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: looks the part coming off the bus. But then you

587
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: look at the box scorer and he's got like one

588
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: catch for fifty yards and you're just like, all right, well,

589
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: but he's really good at that one thing. You know,

590
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: he's got one really good thing vertical speed and game

591
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: breaking speed, and he's really good there. You know, if

592
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: you want more of like the Patriot type, you know,

593
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: the McDaniels type, Isaac Teslav from Arkansas reminds me a

594
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: ton of like a little bit more souped up Jacoby Myers. Right,

595
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: Maybe he has a little bit more burst and a

596
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: little bit more speed, but he's that guy that's gonna

597
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: play a lot inside and just be a you know,

598
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: reliable for you in that spot. So if they're looking

599
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: for that sort of Patriot old school archetype, you ever Strepo,

600
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: you have him, Like those are those types of.

601
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: Guys everybody else, Paulia that stood out to you and

602
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: I can't believe.

603
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 5: You haven't brought up Nick Nash. That just seems like

604
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 5: a Mike do So special right there. You know, Jake Bobo,

605
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 5: that's true.

606
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 6: Where do you think, Kyle Phillips, where do you think

607
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 6: the receiver pick would happen?

608
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: Like you, I feel like if it's not in the second,

609
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: it could.

610
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: One of those two third rounders, one of those two

611
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: one of the third rounds.

612
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the sweet spot. They got two third rounders.

613
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: There's usually a guy hanging around there. I mentioned the

614
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: group that I like, but but yeah, let's uh well,

615
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: let's move.

616
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: On then, just one real quick on the receivers.

617
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: Like on that note, I think this receiver class has

618
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: kind of gotten a little bit of a bad rap,

619
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't have the top end talent that last year.

620
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: Did you know there's no Marvin Harrison junior. There's no

621
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: Molik Neighbors in this class. But to deuce his point

622
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: the day to talent like there, if you just want

623
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: to find a guy that can be a starting receiver

624
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: and like the number two or a number three receiver,

625
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of that in this draft,

626
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: and it's kind of gets meaty there. I mean we

627
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: just rattled off probably ten names of guys that fit

628
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: that type. So I don't like totally sleep on this class.

629
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gotten a lot of crap because

630
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't have those, like you know, blue chip prospects

631
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: at the top.

632
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 4: Well, one class that hasn't really gotten a lot of

633
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: crap is the running back class, which we'll move on

634
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: to now, and I would qualify this as maybe a

635
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: questionable need. We've heard a lot of talk throughout the

636
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 4: spring from Mike Vrabel, from Robert Kraft that they're intrigued

637
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: by this class they'd like to add back with some speed.

638
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: I find myself I can't get a beat on this class.

639
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: I've looked at a lot of these guys a bunch

640
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: of times, and I think I just have a blind

641
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 4: spot for evaluating running backs, maybe because.

642
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: They all look pretty good to me.

643
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I picked Ashton Genty in one of

644
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: my mock drafts and made everybody very mad. But look,

645
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: when we get into this process of watching prospects every year,

646
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed watching Ashton Genty.

647
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: Now, is he the right pick for the Patriots is

648
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: probably not.

649
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: But when I look at the draft process as a

650
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: whole when you have to sit down and watch guys play.

651
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: I hadn't have a better time watching anybody than watching

652
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty just run through guys. And it got even

653
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: better at his pro day where he looked like a

654
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 4: mini Hulk out there. So he's the cream of the class, Paul,

655
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: and after that, there are some good players. But let's

656
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: allow ourselves to imagine what kind of player he's going

657
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 4: to be in the pros. I mean some questions, of course.

658
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 5: Jense just saying yeah, no, I think he'll be terrific,

659
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 5: and I think he can catch the ball. And you

660
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 5: brought up when you caused all the commotion in the

661
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 5: first place, you brought up LT you know, And I

662
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: don't think that you're alone. I think people look at

663
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: that kind of versatility. I just think it's too high,

664
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's too valuable of a pick to use.

665
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: But I don't do you guys have any doubt that

666
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 5: he'll be a productive player in the NFL. I think

667
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 5: you will be.

668
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: No.

669
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: I think it's just a question for me of how long,

670
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: like how long is he going to have the shelf

671
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: life for he has a little bit of where and

672
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: Terry carried that offense at Boise State. I think that

673
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: the biggest thing, you know, I don't really see uh

674
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: Ladanian Thomlinson with him because Latanian Thomason, to me, like

675
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: was a difference making pass catcher as well. And I

676
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: don't know if gent at five foot eight, with that

677
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: catch radius and with his just kind of lower center

678
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: of gravity and skill set, is really going to be

679
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: a guy that you're going to be like moving around

680
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: the formation as a receiver and like trying to feed

681
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: the ball to you like the Chargers did with the

682
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: Danni and Thomlinson. So the comp that I've kind of

683
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: come to with him is like, you know, a better

684
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: version of Maurice Jones drew, like, you know, a low

685
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: center of gravity, you know, explosive bowling ball type of

686
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: running back. He's got great, you know, probably some of

687
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: the best contact balance that you'll ever see in a

688
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: running back that just bounces off tackles, runs through tackles,

689
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: runs around tackles, just a constant tackle breaking machine. I

690
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: think he had something like one hundred and sixty two

691
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: for Smiths tackles last year at Boise State.

692
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 6: I think he was almost a thousand yards after content.

693
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, third, Yeah, so it's it's he's absolutely a

694
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: blue chip prospect and extremely talented.

695
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 6: Here's here's a question though, like we say Forrest too high,

696
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 6: if we were at seven, like, is that do you like,

697
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 6: is that a serious consideration?

698
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: I mean, is Membo still there? Is Will Campbell's still there?

699
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think we'll get to the

700
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: tight ends in a second. I think Tyler Warren is

701
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: probably worthy of that conversation as well. But as we

702
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: get down here the list, and as you said, it's

703
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: a very strong class. We've heard all ring that they're

704
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: gonna be guys drafted throughout the all three days of

705
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: the draft, where you'll have contributors coming and running back

706
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: A'mrion Hampton probably the second guy saw comp to him.

707
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: James Connor seemed about right to me.

708
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: And and I just throw the two Ohio State guys

709
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: out there, Henderson and Judkins.

710
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Some really good option run probably.

711
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 5: Like Hampton's got good size and speed. So yeah, I mean,

712
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 5: I think there's some intriguing prospects. I'm looking more for

713
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 5: the old school, you know, Josh McDaniels is back. I'm

714
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 5: looking for those Shane Vveren James White types, you know,

715
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: probably a little bit further down. But these guys, I

716
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 5: mean the two Ohio State guys in Hampton, I think

717
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 5: these guys are all good players.

718
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that as well.

719
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 6: Paul Chris and I did a joint mock and we

720
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 6: were kind of between Devin Neil and DJ Giddens. DJ

721
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 6: Giddens fits more in the receiving back role, but just

722
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 6: very shifty. I haven't given up Hope. I'm Ramondre yet,

723
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 6: so pair him get into with Ramondre.

724
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: Devin Nils a football player, he can play.

725
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, when you start to get

726
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: into Day two at the running backs, it's what kind

727
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: of running back do you want to draft? Because there

728
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: there really are a lot of different buckets that you

729
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: can put them into. Do you want the early down

730
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: Devin Neil type of running back that's gonna be sort

731
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: of like a lead you know, Bell cow type, or

732
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: are you looking for that Shane Vereen James White receiving

733
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: back which we can get to some of those names.

734
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a big fan of Travon Henderson from

735
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Ohio State. I just feel like he's a little

736
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: bit like Jamier Gibbs, like he's gonna have that kind

737
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: of game speed and that kind of big playability. Judkins

738
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: runs angrier and runs with a little bit more power

739
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: and force. But Henderson is the is the explosive machine.

740
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: You know, He's the big play machine. And then you

741
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: start to get into the Giddons and the Nils and

742
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: you know all that. You know, Scataboo, even like you

743
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: get into that tier, those guys are like early down guys.

744
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Those guys are gonna be first and second down running backs.

745
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: I tend to think they're going to go more towards

746
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: the speed guys. Just from what we've heard them say.

747
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: It sounds like even even Robber Kraft.

748
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: A speedback.

749
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: So I think you think you're probably onto something.

750
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't get that out of my head. I

751
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: don't think that that was a miss take. Like I

752
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: think someone told him, not necessarily to say it, but

753
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: like someone was telling him that information. So you look

754
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: at the you know, the cluster of those backs maybe

755
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: on early day three, you know, Burchard Smith from smu Wood,

756
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: he Marks from usc LA, Quinn Allen from Sarahcuse, and

757
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: Jayden Blue from Texas to me or like the fourth

758
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: or fifth round sweet spot of receiving backs. Yeah, he

759
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: fumbles a lot and he drops a lot of passes,

760
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: so his hands aren't great bat but my goodness, can

761
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: that dude run right?

762
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 5: Absolute home run here?

763
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? So you know, watching him like linebackers like try

764
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: to cover him on wheel routes is like, good luck

765
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: with that, you know. So he's got speed. Brichhard Smith's

766
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: a converted wide receiver, played wide receiver earlier on in

767
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: his career and then moved to running back at SMU,

768
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: so he can run routes as a receiver. Uh, and

769
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: with great ball skills. Woody Marks is kind of like

770
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: a little Dion Lewis type, right, you know, a little

771
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: scat back that got good lower body strength and good jukes,

772
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 3: you know, get on the juke stick and all that

773
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. The Quinn Allen's like it reminds me

774
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: a little bit of James White, Like, you know, more smooth,

775
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: quick than fast, a good blocker. I see a little

776
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: bit of that. Like he's probably not a game breaker

777
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: in terms of the speed, but he's got that ability

778
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: to get open at the top of routes.

779
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 4: I just got to get Damian Martinez in there. He's

780
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: another one I enjoyed watching from Miami. Tackle breaker, chain mover,

781
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: kind of guy, runs hard, those my style. I just

782
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: I'm with you guys, though, I find myself wondering, like,

783
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: what are they looking for? Are they looking for an

784
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: all around back? Do we want to go back to

785
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: having a big back and a catching back?

786
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: Hard to say.

787
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: I mean, you see all these teams are running back

788
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 6: goes down and they're able to just plug and play somebody.

789
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: But also Oli Gordon Oklahoma State thirteen touchdowns, eight hundred

790
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 6: and eighty yards.

791
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: Good player.

792
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, he got a little boxton in twenty four because

793
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 6: they weren't as good team, but as twenty three tape

794
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 6: was really good, so that'd.

795
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: Be another player.

796
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: But he basically was the offense. And sometimes, and I

797
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: know Evan talks about the workload with some of those guys,

798
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: But when you're the focal point. That's why genty I

799
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 5: think was so impressive. When you're the focal point and

800
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: you still find a way to crank out one hundred

801
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: yard game after a hundred yard game, there's something to

802
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: be said from that. You're not you're not sneaking up

803
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: on anybody, You're not taking advantage of light boxes. Everybody

804
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 5: is geared to stopping you, and you still produce those

805
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: Those are the guys that can play.

806
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ali Gordon, if they're going to go for that

807
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: early down running back, I think Oli Gordon might be

808
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: their guy. Somewhere in the fourth round would make sense

809
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: for him. Damian Martinez is another one of those guys

810
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: in that mold.

811
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: The couple of guys that I like that probably too

812
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: rich for the Patriots, you know, like Dylan Sampson, Jordan James.

813
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: I just probably too early because you guys are right,

814
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 5: it's probably gonna be a day three.

815
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: I think Jordan's back.

816
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: Jordan James will probably go a little bit later.

817
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 5: I like, I mean, I just like those organ guys.

818
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, it might be, you know, one of

819
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: those things. It's kind of an irrational like you know,

820
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: earlier when we were talking about wide receivers, Tease brought up,

821
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: you know, the Ohio State guys and they have that

822
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: they've hit. You know, it's like those those little guys

823
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: from Oregon seem.

824
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: To be good players.

825
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're not all the mo you know, physically,

826
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 5: you know, they're not gonna you know, be the most

827
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 5: imposing guys, but they find a way to produce. And

828
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: I've watched Jordan and James a little bit. I think

829
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 5: he could do some some of those things in the

830
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels offense.

831
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he could be available on Day three, honestly,

832
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: and and and be there for them. Dylan Samson's my

833
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: one of my draft crushes out of this running back class.

834
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: I love him. I think he might go right between

835
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: pick thirty eight and pick sixty nine. And I just

836
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: don't know how the Patriots are gonna, yes, second exactly

837
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: how we're familiarow, yeah, how they're going to figure that out?

838
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Good joke. But he's he's awesome and I you know,

839
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: really good runner. Kind of reminds me a little bit

840
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: of Brian Westbrook back in the day, like good, you know,

841
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: a good shifty runner. But but he's what I like

842
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: so much about him is that he's really efficient, Like

843
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: he's not just trying to dance to dance, Like he

844
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: makes a cut and then it's up the fields, right,

845
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: and it's really a fishing on the tracks. They don't

846
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: really throw to their running backs much. Alvin Kamara, So

847
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: like when you get to the league, I think he's

848
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: going to be able to catch more passes than he

849
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: did at Tennessee. I just don't know if the Patriots

850
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: are going to be in a spot to take him,

851
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: but they met with him throughout this process, and I

852
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: think he'll definitely be on their board.

853
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

854
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 4: Well, if I had to place a bet, I would

855
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: say the Patriots are going to draft a running back.

856
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: I think we just rattled off about twenty names. It

857
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: felt like that all intrigued. So place your bets now.

858
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: Running back probably going to get taken. And that leads

859
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: us to our final positional preview here of the spring.

860
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: It's the tight end position. Last year, I remember we're

861
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: so all about the tight ends. It was a great

862
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: class two years ago, felt like it was a great

863
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: you know, there's always they always think this is a

864
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: pretty good I'm pretty solid class right now, and I

865
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: think for me, I wonder, you know, where are the Patriots.

866
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: We brought back Aston Hooper, have Hunter Henry, two veterans there.

867
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: You know, last year you brought in Jahean Bell as well.

868
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: Developing behind the scenes, You've got Jack Westover in some

869
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 4: of the I mean, you got a bunch of names

870
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: in there to any of these guys intrigue them enough.

871
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 4: Probably again and probably not at the top with Tyler

872
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: Warren and Colston Loveland.

873
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Loveland with some injury issues, but.

874
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: I mean Tyler Warren in a perfect world, he seems

875
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: like an ideal kind of patriot, I mean, and do

876
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: it all tight end.

877
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: Brings a little swag to it.

878
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: If you watch college football, which even I did this year,

879
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: you couldn't miss him.

880
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: He was outstanding.

881
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does a lot of things. Well, I've talked

882
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: to some people that are familiar with the program, as

883
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 5: you know, and they just they rave about him. You know,

884
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: He's just one of those guys that just always wants

885
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 5: to get better. He does a lot of different things.

886
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 5: Play even played some quarterback. Obviously those are things that

887
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 5: you're not necessarily going to ask him to do smart

888
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 5: though in the NFL, but just it speaks to his

889
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: versatility as an athlete. I'm not saying that I would

890
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 5: take him with the fourth overall pick, but I think

891
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 5: he's in whatever you want to say a dozen players

892
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 5: that you put him in a bucket, and depending on

893
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: what you need, you might say Will Campbell, you might

894
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 5: say Jalen Walker. You might say Tyler Warren.

895
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: He's that good.

896
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably one of the cleanest prospects in the

897
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: draft period, just on the field, off the field work ethic,

898
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: but also just the prospect himself. He does a lot

899
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: of things really really well, and it kind of gives

900
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: him like a nice floor of this is gonna be

901
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: a starting tight end in the NFL. Do I think

902
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna be Gronk or Travis Kelcey or I mean,

903
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: maybe not, but he's going to be a starting tight

904
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: end in the league. And I think the best thing

905
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: that he does to me, though, is his versatility and

906
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: his ability to move around the formation. And those guys

907
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: are interesting, but they're also you know, you have to

908
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: have a plan, you know, of how exactly we're gonna

909
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: make this guy a focal point of the offense. But

910
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: certainly he carried Penn State's offense on his back last year.

911
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: He was the focal point there. I like that. I

912
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: like that he's already had that on his plate at

913
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: that position. It's not always that way in college football.

914
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: They'd often underutilize the tight end, but he was the

915
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: offense at Penn State, so he knows what it's like

916
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: to have to be the number one guy. I would

917
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: say that in terms of his receiving ability. You know,

918
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: he's got that gronk to him where he can just

919
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: be a center on the basketball team and just out

920
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: muscle you, whether it's at the catch point in the

921
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: red zone, run people over after the catch. You know,

922
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: he's a physical guy. He can do those types of things.

923
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: He's got a little bit of burst in his routes.

924
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: Probably not as much as Colston Loveland, but like has

925
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: a little bit of that too. But I say the

926
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: best trait that he has is that he's just a beast.

927
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: You know, he's six six two and fifty five pounds.

928
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: He can block. He's a very good all round player.

929
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: Do you think he's anything on Loveland?

930
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 6: Not much on Loveland actually, but I have no love

931
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 6: for Loveland. But talking about the tight ends, Chris and

932
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 6: I and our joint mock, we've had Gunner Helm in

933
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 6: the fifth just kind of a do it all all

934
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: around tight end. Evan had a Hunter Henry comp there.

935
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 6: I don't think the Patriots are going to take a

936
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 6: tight end too early, So maybe that fifth round is

937
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 6: the sweet spot.

938
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: A lot of athletes in this seat.

939
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean Mason Taylor. Of course, we know great geans

940
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: for him, look like a he's a good player, you know,

941
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: running a combine.

942
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 4: I know he's kind of underutilized a little bit lsu

943
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 4: a little bit of a projection there.

944
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing a few names out there. Elijah Royo

945
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: coming off an acl Harrold fan and.

946
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: Junior is another one I liked just you know, fifteen

947
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: hundred yards ten tds this year.

948
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: But all athletic guys. I mean, it seems that that's.

949
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: Where I think I struggle a little bit with, Like,

950
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: who do you get? I mean, is you're going to

951
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 4: draft in the day two, day three tight end weapon

952
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 4: good enough to knock Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper down.

953
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: Hard to see that projection.

954
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: That's why I'm a little bit lower on this overall class.

955
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: For the Patriots.

956
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm kind of with you. I think it's

957
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: a good tight end class. Certainly, those two guys at

958
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: the top are really good prospects. And we talk a

959
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 3: ton about Loveland. He's definitely in the donut right, He's

960
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: definitely right there in the first round doughnut. But he's

961
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: probably the closest thing to Brock Bauers in this draft

962
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: in terms of the play speed and the dynamic route

963
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: running ability, but he had the injury. He doesn't have

964
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: the production that Tyler Warren had, but he's younger, and

965
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: he's faster, you know, and he's more dynamic. So if

966
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: there are teams out there that have Close and Loveland

967
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: as the number one tight end over Tyler Warren, I

968
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 3: won't be surprised at all. Like, I think there's definitely

969
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: a case to be made. But to your point about athletes,

970
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: like that's typically what translates at the position to the

971
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: league is the raw athletes. It's one of those positions

972
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: where like things like the combine is still holding up

973
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: in terms of translation. So you know, Terrence Ferguson from

974
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: Oregon had a great combine, had good college production. Was

975
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: used more of like as like a safety valve at

976
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: Oregon than a downfield receiver. But you think there might

977
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 3: be some untapped potential there. You know, Elijah Royo, same thing,

978
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: can't really block, but it can run routes and can

979
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: make plays down the field as a receiver. And the

980
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: gunner Heelm I comped to Henry because he's kind of

981
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: more of like that old school, like, you know, just crafty,

982
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: good at the top of the route, uses his body well,

983
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: uses his physicality well. Can run the scene, but probably

984
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: not his best thing, but he can do it. Blocking

985
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: can do it. Not his best thing, but he can

986
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: do it. I think that Gunner Helm's going to be

987
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: a quarterback's best friend. He's going to be very quarterback friendly,

988
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 3: big target in the middle of the field, and he'll

989
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: help you move the chains.

990
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: You know.

991
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: Those other guys maybe a little bit more explosive. But

992
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: if I had to pick one of these guys out

993
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: of this group, you know, if you want to go upside,

994
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: I'd probably say Ferguson probably has the highest ceiling just

995
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: because the athletic profile, but Helm is probably the steadiest.

996
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Like he's probably the easiest to project.

997
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Else.

998
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: I got Luke Lache, Lashie Lache. You just got shout

999
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 6: out all the Iowa tight ends. I mean, it's a

1000
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 6: great program for that.

1001
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: You'd be wrong to overlook them. And you know another

1002
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: you know NFL name right in Ronde Gatston. You know

1003
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: the same kind of thing at Syracuse you.

1004
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: Always look for that.

1005
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 5: You know, we talked about Mason Taylor with the blood lines.

1006
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 5: It's a lot of bloodlines at that position. But I

1007
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 5: agree with you, Mike in terms of the Patriots. I

1008
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 5: don't think when you you have Hunter Henry and then

1009
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 5: you re sign Hooper, you're more than likely forget the doughnut.

1010
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 5: You're more than likely not really interested in drafting that

1011
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 5: position unless it's like a Day three flyer.

1012
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's one of those things the way

1013
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 6: the board plays out too, Like if if a gunner

1014
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 6: Helm is there and like that's the best player, why yeah, he.

1015
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: Belt to offering, you know, just give us some time

1016
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: to development. Don't know, an athletic guy.

1017
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: It's tough to I've kind of cooled off on the

1018
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: tight ends a little bit for the Patriots because of

1019
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: the reasons that Paul brought up, Like it's already a

1020
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: position that's slow to develop as it is, and you

1021
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: have two really steady veterans and Henry and Hooper. So

1022
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: if there's your team like the Patriots, you want your

1023
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: early picks to play like you want those guys to

1024
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: have a path to the field and to play early

1025
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: and to contribute early and as good as you know,

1026
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: as appealing as some of these names are at tight end,

1027
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Like if you draft Mason Taylor, who I think might

1028
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: be a really good player two to three years from now. Like,

1029
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: you're not really in a position as the Patriots to

1030
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: wait around for your draft pick in the top one

1031
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: hundred to make an impact, Like you need guys to

1032
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: come in that can help you today, you know, right now.

1033
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: And I just don't know if this group necessarily is

1034
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: going to do that for them unless they go like Warren,

1035
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, in the first round, if they're going to

1036
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: really have that out of the group. So are you

1037
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: willing to just use a pick on a stash, Like

1038
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: are you willing to stash a Terrence Ferguson and develop him?

1039
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: Are you willing to stash Mason Taylor, you know, younger

1040
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: prospect and develop him and then kind of pass on

1041
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 3: having a top one hundred pick play as a rookie.

1042
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily the best use of

1043
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: that asset.

1044
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 4: All right, Well, that's gonna do it for this episode

1045
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 4: of Patriots Draft Countdown presented by Bud Light. Just one

1046
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: week to go until the NFL Draft, But don't worry,

1047
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna be back with one more live episode day

1048
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 4: of the Draft, one pm Eastern Time. Will be here,

1049
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 4: wrap things up, maybe do a mock draft, have a

1050
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: little fun trying to pass.

1051
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: The time before the draft that night. So we'll catch

1052
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Speaker 2: you then