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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So tonight one of my friends and fellow researchers, Philip

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Speaker 2: and Sella with us. He's been here before. He and

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Speaker 2: his twin brother, Ronnie. They're just great people. They're on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the pond and it's always so

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Speaker 2: nice that they're here. Now. Philip now has a new

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Speaker 2: book out called Terrestrial Trespassers, the Grays, Abductions and Areas

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Speaker 2: of High Strangeness. He's going to talk about that, of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, and say, hey, it's out there. But we're

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Speaker 2: just going to talk in general about grays and abductions

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Speaker 2: and things like that. So Philip, I want you to

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Speaker 2: go ahead and come in. Welcome back once again to

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Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 3: How are you hi, Connie. It's great to be here

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Speaker 3: and I'm very honest. Yeah, I'm fine, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we had some strang First of all, let's

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Speaker 2: get a background on you. I'm looking at your bio

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Speaker 2: and it must be i don't know, three pages long.

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Speaker 2: So what would you like to say about yourself that

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Speaker 2: you would like people to know.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just a regular guy looking for the truth.

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Speaker 3: Like most people, I think, you know, I didn't really

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Speaker 3: want to come into this subject, but when you are

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Speaker 3: touched by this singularity, it changes you because we operate

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Speaker 3: by a system which informs us that UFOs don't exist,

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Speaker 3: cryptozoology doesn't exist in life after death, and I wanted

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Speaker 3: to explore these areas and it was only on the

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Speaker 3: onslaught of what people would termine an alien of duction

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Speaker 3: that occurred to me in the winter of nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: nine here in England that set the ball rolling for

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Speaker 3: me to understand that the phenomena, it's far more complex

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Speaker 3: than we've been led to believe. So really, I'm just

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Speaker 3: like everyone else, just trying to find the truth the

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Speaker 3: answers and yeah, sure, that's why we hear Connie, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's why, yeah exactly, that's why we're here

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Speaker 2: right now. But you're an author, and you're in and

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Speaker 2: you're a psychic, in medium, clairvoyant, you do all that

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Speaker 2: kind of thing. And of course, what do you call yourself?

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Speaker 2: Do you call yourself an experiencer or an abductee or

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Speaker 2: contact d or.

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Speaker 3: I've tried to ask that question about myself for decades.

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Speaker 3: What am I?

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Speaker 2: What are you, Philip.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a great alien, I can assure you

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Speaker 3: of that, but I think you know, looking into this,

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Speaker 3: you know certainly with regards to the phenomena, it's multi complex,

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Speaker 3: and you know, the area that interested me was this

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Speaker 3: part of the abduction and the grays. And of course

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Speaker 3: we know through the media cartel that you know, Hollywood

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Speaker 3: sensationalized the whole thing and makes out it's this or that.

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Speaker 3: And I think, Connie, this is the problem. I think

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Speaker 3: with regards to a lot of these subject matters, they've

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Speaker 3: been decompartmentalized into certain categories and this is why we

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Speaker 3: can't make any distinction between one and the other. We

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Speaker 3: know the phenomena is real, and of course the problem

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Speaker 3: is a lot of people have their own thoughts which

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Speaker 3: are correct to them. I suppose you can't tell them

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Speaker 3: you know what is what, But this is the problem.

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Speaker 3: And what we've been trying to do is create patterns

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Speaker 3: or connection links to trying to understand what the Grays are,

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Speaker 3: where they come from, their modus are Brandy and this

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Speaker 3: kind of like opened up other areas that kind of

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Speaker 3: reminded me about there are connection distinctions to be made

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Speaker 3: between other areas such as sasquatch and dogman and elements

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Speaker 3: of paranormals. So, you know, I think it's really interesting

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Speaker 3: and fascinating, but we have to look outside the box.

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Speaker 3: I think we have to be a little bit more

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Speaker 3: open to conjecture rather than being forced into a certain

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Speaker 3: mental attitude that I think most of us have been

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Speaker 3: led into because we still don't know what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: So this is where we're at at the moment with

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about I'm going to get right

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Speaker 2: into it. How do you feel about people that are

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Speaker 2: just they just throw it at you like this is

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Speaker 2: just not real, You're not This is ridiculous to me.

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Speaker 2: Why are you even here? Why are you even in

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Speaker 2: our circle? If that's how you're going to talk, because really,

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Speaker 2: go somewhere else, you know, let us discuss it. We

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Speaker 2: didn't invite you to come over here and be angry

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Speaker 2: at us. We want to talk about it, learn it,

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Speaker 2: and learn more about what it is. And I believe

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Speaker 2: the people that are like us are our people that

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Speaker 2: have experienced it, seen it for ourselves, and that's why

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Speaker 2: we want to dig deeper. We don't need the people

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Speaker 2: It's like, wait a minute, we're not here to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, fight you on it. We want to get

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Speaker 2: it is. You feel the same more? What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I think through conscious dissidence what's occurred is

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Speaker 3: that we have a major problem on our hands, and

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Speaker 3: that is through centralized programming from a system that we

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Speaker 3: look up to to inform us of truths, and of course, recently,

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Speaker 3: as you know, within your great country in the Pentagon,

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Speaker 3: with situations surrounding David Grush, and that with the regards

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Speaker 3: to the disclosure that we want, you'll always get those

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Speaker 3: who will tell you that there is no such thing

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Speaker 3: as UFO's life after death, or you know, strange creatures

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Speaker 3: now because a lot more reports are being cited if

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Speaker 3: we go back into the past, I mean, if we

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Speaker 3: think about it, consciousness has been centralized anyway through most

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Speaker 3: organized religions, and of course in the heyday, what was

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Speaker 3: the caring was that people were not allowed to think

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Speaker 3: outside the boss. And what we're discovering is that the

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Speaker 3: mind is far more powerful most people have been led

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Speaker 3: to believe because people just believe, or they've been led

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Speaker 3: to believe that you live and you die. That's fit.

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Speaker 3: But there is purpose behind your existence, I think. And

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Speaker 3: this is very interesting because when we look at the

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Speaker 3: UFO phenomena, especially you know, with regards to certain beings,

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Speaker 3: most notably the ones. I've been researching the graves that

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Speaker 3: have been around for a while.

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Speaker 2: But you love those little grays, You love those little grays.

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Speaker 2: Come on, there's tall ones, there are short ones that

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Speaker 2: are some are a little bluer than others in little greener,

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Speaker 2: little grayer. Tell us about the grays, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are all sizes there. It's do you believe that

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Speaker 2: are some sort of artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting and one of the areas that I've been

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Speaker 3: looking into with regards to the research, and especially with

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Speaker 3: the patterns that have been made with regards to the

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Speaker 3: abduction phenomena, indicates there's two parts of this and as

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Speaker 3: or consciousness. And what's interesting is that my argument was, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, these grays seem elusive. They seem to defy

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Speaker 3: our laws of physics. Most people believe that they're you know,

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Speaker 3: physical in anatomy, but we don't have any proof that

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Speaker 3: they're around physically. You know, with all the research that's

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Speaker 2: I've heard some stories of people that have in regressions

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think until that this is interesting

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Speaker 3: through certain research areas that they've been interested in hybridization. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting when you talk about the physicality of them,

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Speaker 3: because I believe that, you know, when the grades come

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Speaker 3: They're able to read people's minds. They're very powerful when

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Speaker 3: it comes to overriding an individual. And what I believe

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Speaker 3: timeless space of domain, as it were. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: it's demonstrated clearly that there were two parts of this.

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Speaker 3: One occurred on the physical level of integration and the

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Speaker 3: that grades are interested in what makes us tick as

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Speaker 3: because we understand the grades are not individual. And sure,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you they come across with some kinde

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Speaker 3: I think in the AI that we're aware of. In

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Speaker 3: terms of a technical level, they're interested in reproduction, They're

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Speaker 3: interested in hybridization. Why is this the species that itself

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Speaker 3: they were interacted with me, and the whole experience was

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Speaker 3: really bizarre. And you know, most people when they had

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Speaker 3: an abduction, most of their memories were secreted. I could

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Speaker 2: To well that you know of right, I mean you remember,

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Speaker 2: like you may say, I remember every bit of it,

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Speaker 2: but then you remember what you remember. You never know

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Speaker 2: there might be some things you don't remember at all, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, because you wouldn't even know, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean certainly through the past. I mean, you know

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Speaker 3: all our experiences, I think, you know, cataloging these experiences,

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Speaker 3: the UFO phenomena, abductions and all the rest of it

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Speaker 3: have been decompartmentalized. There's no way for us to make

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Speaker 3: I think we're restricted within our viewpoint of what we're

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Speaker 3: looking at. So within your apology, we go around in

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Speaker 3: circles because most people believe and you know, that they

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Speaker 3: but there seems to be several components which are quite

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Speaker 3: interesting with regards to UFOs themselves or now UAPs strange

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Speaker 2: No no stick with the UFOs. Please please just say UFO, please,

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Speaker 3: Please change interestingly, for you know, a subject that's not

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Speaker 3: meant to exist and it's been given a more earthlier title.

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Speaker 3: But with UFOs, so when the UFOs come into our

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Speaker 3: the abduction of phenomena occurs, what happens that these grades

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Speaker 3: that point is that the grades then you come into

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Speaker 3: And this is where the interaction is possible. If you

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Speaker 3: look at then their death experience for instance, and people say,

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Speaker 3: oh no, I only believe in the UFOs, but not

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Speaker 3: And it feels that this program has been an ongoing

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you think they're here for?

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Speaker 3: Well, there is something about the humans that they're interested in.

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