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Speaker 1: good one today. Tyler done, Who's been doing this for
Speaker 1: a while. Golongtv dot com covers the Packers also lives
Speaker 1: in Upstate New York. All over the dissension with the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. It's real. Regarding the head coach Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: There are those around the organization, including the Bills Mafia,
Speaker 1: disturbed by what they see inside deals on a team
Speaker 1: that appears to be great, but regressing the Bills, especially
Speaker 1: with Kansas City winning another title, what does that mean
Speaker 1: for them? Latest on Aaron Rodgers still think the Raiders
Speaker 1: make so much sense. I want to start with this though.
Speaker 1: So I was listening to a digital brief digital piece
Speaker 1: by JJ Reddick on a podcast, and he was defending
Speaker 1: modern day players and Jana specifically on how great he is.
Speaker 1: And you know, I collected baseball and NBA cards when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, but I'm not a sports romantic.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the reasons that I just
Speaker 1: don't spend a ton of time watching or talking about baseball.
Speaker 1: It's very much a rear view, mirror sport steeped in
Speaker 1: its lore and history. And you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things I like about the NFL Sunday is all that matters.
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way you know about the NBA.
Speaker 1: We don't spend a ton of time, although the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan Lebron debate certainly gets plenty of airtime. But clearly
Speaker 1: nutrition's better, training is better, the skill level is better.
Speaker 1: It's now much more of a global game. Europe is
Speaker 1: all in Asia, There's there's players everywhere. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, there are four or five things to me
Speaker 1: that make a great player an all time great. Your
Speaker 1: skill level, You can do multiple things. Your production. You
Speaker 1: have to be productive, you have to win. Great players win,
Speaker 1: your uniqueness, do you do things others haven't, and your replaceability.
Speaker 1: You know Tim Duncan the Spurs Greg Popovitch an all
Speaker 1: time coach. Spurs have been a disaster since he left.
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan is one of the twelve greatest basketball players
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I don't care about MVPs where you
Speaker 1: are in the scoring list. All the players I think
Speaker 1: are all time greats are productive, and four current players
Speaker 1: are part of the twelve greatest players I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And that's something when you consider how long the NBA
Speaker 1: has been going on. The first dynasty was George Mike
Speaker 1: and the Minneapolis Lakers. After that it was the Celtics
Speaker 1: in the sixties. In no particular order, the twelve greatest
Speaker 1: basketball players I've seen based on production, winning, skill level, replaceability, uniqueness, Lebron,
Speaker 1: Steph k D and Jannis are all in it. I
Speaker 1: think Jannis, if you look at guys of his size,
Speaker 1: his ability to bring the ball up the floor, hit
Speaker 1: a jumper, He's the best player in any given moment
Speaker 1: in the NBA on both ends of the floor. Steph,
Speaker 1: Lebron k D and Jannis. I think k D in
Speaker 1: a one on one tournament would be the greatest NBA
Speaker 1: player of all time. He could dribble past the bigs,
Speaker 1: he could shoot over Lebron or MJ. I think Katie's
Speaker 1: an all time talent. The others are Shack, Kobe, MJ, Wilt,
Speaker 1: Kareem Duncan, Bird and Magic. I didn't see Russell play live,
Speaker 1: he was limited offensively. Did not watch Oscar Robertson a
Speaker 1: Keem Barkley, Doctor j all very very good. But those
Speaker 1: are the twelve greatest basketball players I've ever played. But
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick's point is nobody is a perfect player. You know.
Speaker 1: Lebron's pretty darn close. He passes, handles the ball, defends,
Speaker 1: shoots at an all time level. He's not a great
Speaker 1: three point shooter. He's very streaky. But Michael Jordan was
Speaker 1: not a three point shooter. Kobe always had better range.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was a good ball hand a little bit
Speaker 1: of very average pass or. He didn't intend to pass
Speaker 1: very much, nor did Kobe. But the players are better today.
Speaker 1: I think we're very lucky, in my opinion, for the
Speaker 1: twelve greatest players in basketball are playing right now, And
Speaker 1: I don't think that is hyper. I don't think it's unrealistic.
Speaker 1: I think Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Lebron's arguably the greatest player. K D is the single
Speaker 1: hardest offensive player to stop who can also put the
Speaker 1: ball on the deck. Kareem not really. And then Janis,
Speaker 1: who is last four years to me, is elevated in
Speaker 1: the most talented basketball era now, the most global basketball era.
Speaker 1: Now he's the most dominant player. You know, esthetics do
Speaker 1: matter in sports because how we view games now is
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly on TV and not live. And you know, I
Speaker 1: do think it's easy to pick on the NBA because
Speaker 1: the seasons are very long. Like hockey, you're talking over
Speaker 1: eighty games, overnight travel, sleep deprivation, and the toll it
Speaker 1: takes on your body. Unlike football. You're not being tackled,
Speaker 1: but you get such a rest period after football games.
Speaker 1: Even the short Thursday games you play Sunday afternoon, you
Speaker 1: play Thursday night. You don't really hit in practice that week.
Speaker 1: That's the shortest between NFL games, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: four full days. But I do think, you know, I
Speaker 1: noticed this the other night when Boston, all five starters
Speaker 1: sat for their game against Milwaukee, and Jason Tatum there's
Speaker 1: an argument to be made of all the top NBA
Speaker 1: players between the minutes and games he played, he deserves
Speaker 1: a rest, but there are other games you could rest.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a classic example of here was
Speaker 1: a calendar game, a circlet on your calendar game. Celtics
Speaker 1: made it a close game, went to overtime before they lost.
Speaker 1: But it's a bad look and something that needs to
Speaker 1: be duly noted is the NBA negotiated nine days off
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season for the NBA All
Speaker 1: Star Game. I am not opposed to that, but if
Speaker 1: you're going to get nine days off, then you got
Speaker 1: you gotta play. If you're a Celtic starter in Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: you just gotta play. You just gotta play. I think
Speaker 1: some young fans don't realize that it wasn't that long ago, honestly,
Speaker 1: that players flew commercial. If you played in Boston and
Speaker 1: the next night you were playing in Miami or wherever Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you were often on the first flight in the morning
Speaker 1: on Continental airlines or United Airlines, you'd be sitting next
Speaker 1: to a Celtic. Now everybody's got their own team playing,
Speaker 1: So the luxuries of quadrupled the All Star break nine
Speaker 1: days for a majority of the players. And simultaneously, Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is playing hurt all through the playoffs. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is playing with like a Grade two level. I think
Speaker 1: it's a grade two level high ankle spring So when
Speaker 1: you have NFL players who are playing with the kind
Speaker 1: of ankle sprain that keeps players out, puts them on
Speaker 1: the injured reserve list, You're getting nine games off for
Speaker 1: an All Star game. I just think it's a bad
Speaker 1: look for the NBA. Yes, I think there are too
Speaker 1: many NBA games, but these have been negotiated. Do I
Speaker 1: really believe if he went from eighty two to seventy games,
Speaker 1: players wouldn't miss games. We ask more and more of
Speaker 1: our football players play another week, another round of a
Speaker 1: playoff game. The athletes are bigger and stronger, the hits
Speaker 1: are harder and come faster, and they still fight to
Speaker 1: get on the field. It's a badge of honor to
Speaker 1: play hurt. I thought that Milwaukee Boston game, and I
Speaker 1: know Jalen Brown had been hit in the face. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying everybody had to play. I thought that was
Speaker 1: such a bad look, as we're getting ready a week
Speaker 1: before a nine day layoff. For a majority of the Celtics,
Speaker 1: esthetics matter. This is a job on television discussed regularly
Speaker 1: by media. NFL guys fighting to get on the field,
Speaker 1: NBA guys looking for excuses not to play before a
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Speaker 1: he's been spot on on a number of Packers stories.
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Speaker 1: been writing about the Buffalo Bills. We have been highly
Speaker 1: critical of Sean McDermott on my radio and TV show.
Speaker 1: In an offensive pivoting league, they really feel like they're
Speaker 1: playing nineteen eighty three football. Let's first start, though, with
Speaker 1: your Green Bay updates. So there are certain things that
Speaker 1: are already out that the Packers are willing if Aaron
Speaker 1: wants out to move, they are happier today than a
Speaker 1: year ago. With Jordan Love. They would send him to
Speaker 1: the AFC, not the NFC. That stuff's all out. Mark
Speaker 1: Murphy said last week, we'd like him to give us
Speaker 1: a decision sooner than later. Those four things are all out.
Speaker 1: My take has been a pretty simple one that if
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is a B level quarterback, that this is
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. With an additional first round pick,
Speaker 1: maybe a third, Packers draft and develop at a pretty
Speaker 1: high level. They need an edge rusher, another tight end.
Speaker 1: They're pretty good. So any apprehension would lead me to
Speaker 1: believe they have huge concerns about Jordan Love. So let
Speaker 1: me start with this. From what I can tell, it
Speaker 1: does feel like they feel pretty good about Love as
Speaker 1: a potential starter. Is that what you go from? You know,
Speaker 1: recent discussions. You know, I've tried to talk to as
Speaker 1: many players as I possibly can these last couple of weeks, Colin,
Speaker 1: because it does harken back to two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight when Green Bay went from Brett
Speaker 1: Farr to Aaron Rodgers. They could make that move. Ted
Speaker 1: Thompson saw it every day in practice. And if anybody
Speaker 1: knows if Jordan Love is ready, it's those players. It's
Speaker 1: the teammates, It's it's who sees this quarterback day in
Speaker 1: and day out, because they haven't really seen much on
Speaker 1: game day. What they have seen has been really, really
Speaker 1: promising in that Philadelphia game, and to a man, player
Speaker 1: to player, guys who have been on the scout team
Speaker 1: have faced him in practice. They insisted Jordan Love as
Speaker 1: ready to be a starter in the NFL, and I
Speaker 1: guess it kind of dates back. Even a Jamal Williams
Speaker 1: who was just with him that that rookie season. He
Speaker 1: held up his hand when I saw him in Arizona.
Speaker 1: He's like, look at this pinky and it's all busted up, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's from Jordan Love. You know, he's sift it to
Speaker 1: my finger. There is a rookie they got. The guy
Speaker 1: can sling it. He's got some rare physical gifts. That
Speaker 1: that's the reason they drafted him. That that's what popped.
Speaker 1: But since that point forward, I think he's learned the
Speaker 1: offense and I think he's learned how to read defenses
Speaker 1: and he's putting it all together. You saw in that
Speaker 1: Philadelphia game he hit that back foot and the ball
Speaker 1: was out. He can run Matt Laclour's offense. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know there's concern in San Francisco that Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: it was reported this week, isn't as athletic as San
Speaker 1: Francisco hoped and he struggled with accuracy. My takeaway is
Speaker 1: Jordan Love right now is a more refined Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: He is athletic and he is accurate. Now does he
Speaker 1: have the juice the it? Very few do? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: that's like eight on the planet. I also believe, and
Speaker 1: I don't have this sourced. Um, I did see two
Speaker 1: different Packers at the Super Bowl. I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: go public with what one of them said yet. I
Speaker 1: may soon, so I'll hold off, but I'm not not
Speaker 1: ready to go there yet. But um, the Packers were
Speaker 1: an irrelevant franchise for most of the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: and I do feel like there's there's almost a fear
Speaker 1: in the building to be irrelevant. I I sense that.
Speaker 1: But I'm on the outside. You tell me you used
Speaker 1: to live there. You still cover them? This this feeling
Speaker 1: of oh, and I argue tie the NFC, even the
Speaker 1: two loaded rosters. Philadelphia has got so many free agents.
Speaker 1: Niners don't have the quarterback. Probably in September, this is
Speaker 1: the time to rip it off. This is this is
Speaker 1: not the AFC with five or six seven generational quarterback towns.
Speaker 1: Do you think that fear is just holding them from
Speaker 1: ripping the band aid off? I think it absolutely has
Speaker 1: been with held Mark Murphy, Matt Lafloor, Brian Goodikins, everybody
Speaker 1: back from just if moving on. And We've talked about
Speaker 1: this for two years. I thought they should have done it.
Speaker 1: You know that that first summer when Aaron is kind
Speaker 1: of dragging the team out to the public square and
Speaker 1: you know, dispatching his legion of surrogates and allies to
Speaker 1: flaw green Bay. I mean that for four or five months,
Speaker 1: all you heard is how could Green Bay let it
Speaker 1: get to this point? But they begged, they pleaded. Your
Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor at the podium is just every possible way
Speaker 1: begging Aaron Rodgers to come back. They have that meeting,
Speaker 1: they have some backdoor promises. They give him a seat
Speaker 1: at the table, They trade for a washed up Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: You know, they do all these things, give him what
Speaker 1: he wants. Because of that fear. I think they're terrified
Speaker 1: of life on the other side of Aaron Rodgers. And
Speaker 1: you do see a lot of teams that live in
Speaker 1: that purgatory. But I'd argue, I mean, look at the
Speaker 1: New York Giants hanging on to Eli Manning and maybe
Speaker 1: a year too long, the Pittsburgh Steelers hanging on to
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger year too long. That's the bigger mistake is
Speaker 1: it's just tricking yourself into thinking that this guy might
Speaker 1: pull off a Tom Brady. There's one Tom Brady. There's
Speaker 1: one quarterback who can go to forty five doing what
Speaker 1: he did, and we saw it last year with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: the inevitable physical decline. His legs really aren't there, his
Speaker 1: arm is average to maybe above average. He wasn't really
Speaker 1: willing to work with those young receivers until it was
Speaker 1: too little, too late. Hey look when Patrick Mahomes has
Speaker 1: bringing guys down to Fort Worth, what was Aaron Rodgers doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was good taking trips and hey,
Speaker 1: we can mock OTAs all you want. I talked to
Speaker 1: one player who said it would have been really nice
Speaker 1: to have Aaron Rodgers and OTA's working on stuff, because
Speaker 1: they got it. They turned a corner, but by then
Speaker 1: they were what three four games below five hundred. To
Speaker 1: answer your question, I'm shocked that it's taken this long,
Speaker 1: but I think that the court of public opinion has
Speaker 1: kind of changed. I think fans by and large are
Speaker 1: getting a little tired of Aaron Rodgers act and the
Speaker 1: drama and you know him saying, oh, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that this Darkness Retreat was really going to take off
Speaker 1: like it did. Get out of here. I think the
Speaker 1: fans are smart enough to kind of read through it,
Speaker 1: and they saw it most importantly, they saw what Jordan
Speaker 1: Love could be, just like they saw what Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: could be in that Dallas game in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it's kind of turned, you know,
Speaker 1: remember it's community owned, the fans owned the team. It's
Speaker 1: a little different with the Packers. The fact that that's
Speaker 1: kind of changed, I think it is going to kind
Speaker 1: of maybe get Murphy and Goudakinsina La Floor to a
Speaker 1: spot where they finally once and for all trade Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Maybe my egos too big, but I feel like words matter.
Speaker 1: And when Aaron said I'm going to go on a retreat,
Speaker 1: a darkness retreat, which is fine, meditations, fine, that will
Speaker 1: get me closer to a decision, that's kind of effing
Speaker 1: with people. That would be like telling my wife, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm either way in the marriage. I'm gonna go on
Speaker 1: a four day Vegas trip with the boys. That'll get
Speaker 1: me closer to a decision. She would say, bullshit, I
Speaker 1: want an answer when you get back. Like, we know
Speaker 1: Aaron's petty, we know he cares, he's thin skinned. That
Speaker 1: kind of feels like to me, Tye, he's kind of
Speaker 1: hafen with him. It really does. You would never tell
Speaker 1: somebody you were in business with. Hey, listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Mark Murphy came out publicly and said sooner the better,
Speaker 1: And You're like, yeah, I'm gonna go hide for four days.
Speaker 1: It'll get me closer. Like, to me, that's you've moved
Speaker 1: into poking in the ribs. That's what it feels like
Speaker 1: to me. It would align with previous action. I mean
Speaker 1: that this is what he's done for a few years now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have to read between the lines because
Speaker 1: he's kind of speaking in code and beating around the
Speaker 1: bush and nobody really knows and he's going on this
Speaker 1: darkness retreat. I had the same reaction as you. It
Speaker 1: feels like he's kind of messing with the team at
Speaker 1: this point, delaying it when you know, there's that scene
Speaker 1: in Seinfeld where George Costanza is telling you know that
Speaker 1: the girlfriend I invented the it's not you, it's me.
Speaker 1: That the team and Rogers are kind of going back
Speaker 1: and forth in this like, well, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really want to trade you, but I want to trade you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, but I kind of
Speaker 1: want to be here. Somebody's got to step up and
Speaker 1: be like enoughs enough the Packers. They have that power.
Speaker 1: They could go on the offensive here hell and do
Speaker 1: something talk to teams while he's on this darkness retreat.
Speaker 1: They haven't done it to this point. They're trying to
Speaker 1: be delicate that they know he's a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: He's been the face of the franchise. I get all
Speaker 1: of that, but at some point the lines were going
Speaker 1: to cross. Right. This isn't the first time that Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers has done some things that are have ruffled feathers
Speaker 1: and you know, made management think a certain way, coaches
Speaker 1: think a certain way. But he's been winning MVPs, he's
Speaker 1: been taken to the conference championship game. It's always been
Speaker 1: worth it. Now that ability isn't there, that talent isn't there,
Speaker 1: at some point, you don't tolerate it, right, I mean
Speaker 1: you tolerate it because he's so damn good and he's
Speaker 1: been good for so long. I think those lines have
Speaker 1: crossed now, and that management, if you know, if you
Speaker 1: read what Murphy has said with the team has said,
Speaker 1: with the kind of leaked to the media, it seems
Speaker 1: like they're ready to move on. And I say that
Speaker 1: gingerly because you never really know. But I think that
Speaker 1: maybe even the Packers are a little tired of this
Speaker 1: act and they are in a spot too, once and
Speaker 1: for all move on to a different quarterback. He's not
Speaker 1: as mobile as he was three years ago. He's also
Speaker 1: not quite as committed in the offseason. Has anybody inside
Speaker 1: the organization ever hinted or acknowledged to you that they
Speaker 1: do see a decline in his overall ability now turning
Speaker 1: thirty nine soon. No, it's hard to get people to
Speaker 1: that spot, you know, even even for background. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's been hinted that. And when they talk about
Speaker 1: Jordan Love and how excited they are about Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: how the ball just spins off his hand, how he's
Speaker 1: so athletic and fluid and as a command of the offense,
Speaker 1: because let's face it, teammates people in the organization. They're
Speaker 1: they're scared to say a negative word about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: because they don't want to be cast off to the cornfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're honest enough to say what you
Speaker 1: really think, hell to just relive your experiences literally, just
Speaker 1: say what happened in a game against the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers like a person you know very well.
Speaker 1: And Greg Jennings, he might just call you, call your names,
Speaker 1: call you this, call you that, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you've got Packer fans at your neck for the next
Speaker 1: five to ten years. So players, they tread very lightly.
Speaker 1: And that's apartment I do think though, And how excited
Speaker 1: they are about Jordan Love that kind of tells you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. You're working on a Rogers
Speaker 1: Jordan Love story. What is the angle on it? I
Speaker 1: think that the angle what kind of got me going on.
Speaker 1: This was a conversation with with Charles Woodson at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl actually, and and that point that he made. Look,
Speaker 1: we knew Aaron Rodgers was ready. We saw it. And
Speaker 1: I can remember being an intern out there at the time,
Speaker 1: a college intern cover in that summer, thinking are they nuts?
Speaker 1: Brett Farve just took you to an MC championship game,
Speaker 1: you were thirteen and three. He's on the cover of SI.
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. But they knew, they knew, they had conviction.
Speaker 1: They knew that Aaron Rodgers was ready, that he had
Speaker 1: the talent, that they could make this bold decision. And
Speaker 1: you know, Charles Woodson didn't know. He's not there every day,
Speaker 1: but they just kind of got the wheels turning on.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I should probably reach out to the
Speaker 1: people who do know everybody for you know, the practice
Speaker 1: squad to the starters. Is this a quarterback in Jordan
Speaker 1: Love who's ready to be the starter for Green Bay?
Speaker 1: And he was fascinating. I actually talked to his personal
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, Steve Calhoun, who has worked with some of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks ever. They do some wild drills this
Speaker 1: passtop season. He got Jordan to read the field with
Speaker 1: both of the eyeballs. He convinced me he can one
Speaker 1: eyeball looking wonder and I'm kind of looking in the
Speaker 1: other to see the whole field. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff that he talked about last summer came
Speaker 1: to fruition when we saw him in the exhibition games,
Speaker 1: when we saw him against Philadelphia. David Yost is his
Speaker 1: coach back in college. A ton of insights. So I'm sold, right.
Speaker 1: I thought that two years ago would have been smart
Speaker 1: to just take your unlimited picks and prospects and move
Speaker 1: on from Aaron Rodgers just because of everything he was doing.
Speaker 1: But now that Jordan Love is in a place three
Speaker 1: years in. Look, he needs game action. Look at all
Speaker 1: the ups and downs Colin that Tua Burrow, Herbert Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: all the other quarterbacks in his own draft have been through.
Speaker 1: He hasn't gotten those ups and downs. So that's what
Speaker 1: he needs. I mean, he just needs to get into
Speaker 1: the live game and learn on the fly now. Because
Speaker 1: he's done enough of the other stuff. He's ready to go.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this talking to people who know
Speaker 1: Jordan Love well, he wants to start, Like I think
Speaker 1: it's getting to the point of frustration. Whether it's in
Speaker 1: Green Bay or somewhere else, he wants to start in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So you live in upstate New York, right,
Speaker 1: so you you cover the Bills. I think two things
Speaker 1: are happening with the Bills. One, the Chiefs are relentlessly
Speaker 1: getting better. They're drafting better. They're rebuilding the offense receivers.
Speaker 1: They pay all of their receivers combined twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hills making you know that and more. Just with
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, they rebuild their old line an overnight.
Speaker 1: The Bills four or five years with McDermott still can't
Speaker 1: get the old line right, So that's part of it.
Speaker 1: And they're losing, right, So they're losing big games. But
Speaker 1: I really thought, and you have, you've been writing about this,
Speaker 1: the Skylar Thompson game in the two A game, and
Speaker 1: they both came to Buffalo, and they both ended the
Speaker 1: third quarter. In the fourth, you had a real game
Speaker 1: on your hands. Warm Weather, Miami, cold Weather, Buffalow Skylar
Speaker 1: Thompson game was bizarrely competitive in the second half. And
Speaker 1: I felt like in both games, Mike McDaniel worked Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: He was more clever, more of an identity. I still
Speaker 1: don't think the Bills have an offensive identity. I think
Speaker 1: they just called plays how They're winning a lot of games.
Speaker 1: But how much heat is on McDermott. I think the
Speaker 1: fear is that Sean McDermott is dy Schotenheimer, Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: you know a coach who is a good defensive mind. Yep,
Speaker 1: Chuck Nahawks. There's a good one, right, go right down
Speaker 1: the list where you know John Fox not a bad coach, right,
Speaker 1: He turned the defense around a big picture that that
Speaker 1: building needed to be fumigated. I mean, it got really bad,
Speaker 1: really fast with Rex Ryan, and so they did need
Speaker 1: a pendulum swing to somebody who was more of a disciplinarian,
Speaker 1: who wasn't wasn't gonna put up with, you know, certain
Speaker 1: types of players, certain type of personalities. So that that worked.
Speaker 1: They ended the drought, They build a winner, but at
Speaker 1: some point the franchise identity needed to change from Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott disciplinarian defense ball control to holy hell, we have
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, this transcendent talent that's six five, two forty seven,
Speaker 1: leaps over your linebackers and is something we've never seen
Speaker 1: at the position. And they're still kind of operating in
Speaker 1: that old mindset. Look at this, Look at every single
Speaker 1: playoff game that they've lost. I mean, the same stuff
Speaker 1: repeats itself over and over and over again. The AFC
Speaker 1: Championship game, the chip shot field goals. I mean, you
Speaker 1: kick a field goal from whatever it was, the one
Speaker 1: or the two before halftime to cut itto twenty one
Speaker 1: to twelve against the Chiefs, only to get waxed in
Speaker 1: the second half thirteen seconds the end of that game.
Speaker 1: I was told didn't want the squib, he wanted the touchback. Whoops,
Speaker 1: and then you have your dbs lined up in another
Speaker 1: zip code. It's it's varied not to lose. It's it's
Speaker 1: not aggressive, it's it's not a tenacious we're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game mentality. And then you saw it again against
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. They're gonna lose that game ten out
Speaker 1: of ten times they didn't calm ready to play. I
Speaker 1: just talked to a player today who said we were
Speaker 1: not ready, like we had no energy, we were lethargic.
Speaker 1: But Sean McDermott again, fourth down, end of the first half,
Speaker 1: a chance to get a two for one. You're in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's territory. Your defense can't stop anybody, but you have
Speaker 1: a chance on fourth down to go for it, score touchdown,
Speaker 1: to get the ball at the start of the third quarter,
Speaker 1: redctate the terms of this game into a shootout, and
Speaker 1: they punted and Joe Burrow almost Scott the midfield core rage.
Speaker 1: And then in the fourth quarter, fourth and two deep
Speaker 1: in your own end, you punt. I get it. The
Speaker 1: game ends right there if you don't get it. But
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get two stops in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: That isn't gonna happen. You haven't stopped the nosebleed all games,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean, for if the Bills
Speaker 1: are ever going to get over this championship hump, Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott has to change the way he coaches in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm worried it's not going to happen. I think that
Speaker 1: they left. They let the better coach in Brian Dable
Speaker 1: leave the building. I think Brian Dable will win Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: and Sean McDermott I have a hard time seeing him
Speaker 1: win one with the way he operates. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: look at offensive coaches in the NFL, it is remarkable
Speaker 1: how quickly they can patch up an offensive line. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of this year, the Niners line wasn't great
Speaker 1: outside of Trent Williams. By the end of the year
Speaker 1: is really good. If you watch how Andy Reid literally
Speaker 1: replaced his in one year, drafted, developed and replaced Trey Smith,
Speaker 1: creed Humphrey, and then he went and paid for Joe Tuney,
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown, Mike Tomlin, and Sean McDermott are on five
Speaker 1: years unable to fix the old line and develop a
Speaker 1: run game. Andy Reid rebuilds the old line, the receiving corps,
Speaker 1: and finds Isaiah Piceco in the seventh round overnight. And
Speaker 1: I don't think, listen, I don't think Sean Peyton leaves
Speaker 1: the Saints. They're nine and eight, and if the Niners
Speaker 1: don't beat the Rams in the overtime in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: remember that, then Sean Payton gets Andy Dalton, Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: Trevor Sime into the playoffs, he leaves, They're unwatchable. I
Speaker 1: think we have a cultural change. Even the defensive coaches,
Speaker 1: I like Tomlin MC they have no sensibility for it.
Speaker 1: They can't Ron Rivera can't pivot. Fourth place defensive coach, Bears,
Speaker 1: fourth place defensive coach, Jets, fourth place defensive coach, Washington,
Speaker 1: fourth place, Houston defensive coach, fourth place, Like at some
Speaker 1: point tie. This is not complicated. And if you ever
Speaker 1: really got offensive coordinator, he's gonna leave to become a
Speaker 1: head coach. That's because nobody's I mean, even this year
Speaker 1: the Colts go with an offensive coach. I mean, all
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Speaker 1: you know I said this today, if if you and
Speaker 1: your wife started discussing divorce, it's probably going to happen.
Speaker 1: The fact that people in Chicago now and according to
Speaker 1: multiple sources around the NFL, there's talk about moving off
Speaker 1: justin fields, Well, it tells you it's not a slam dunk.
Speaker 1: And I've always believed you can spot awful and great
Speaker 1: very quickly. You know in one half that justin Herbert's
Speaker 1: first start, he's it. First year, Joe Burrow before he's
Speaker 1: hurt through for over four hundred yards in one game,
Speaker 1: three hundred and three games, m Lamar Jackson first full
Speaker 1: year starting MVP, Mahomes first year starting full starting MVP.
Speaker 1: I think it was first year for Mahomes. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: middle of second year, a lot of wow, you can
Speaker 1: spot awful, Zach Wilson, EJ. Emmanuel early, you can spot
Speaker 1: great early, and I think Justin Fields is neither. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be somewhere between the twelfth best
Speaker 1: quarterback and the twenty second. Certainly good enough to start,
Speaker 1: but there's accuracy issues here. Also, the old line ranks fourteenth,
Speaker 1: Daniel jones O line ranks thirtieth. Daniel Jones has no
Speaker 1: tight end as good as Cole Commet. Darnell Mooney and
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool would both start for the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: So the old line is better, the tight ends better,
Speaker 1: the receivers are as good, and though they don't have
Speaker 1: a se Quon Barkley, the Bears have two very serviceable backs.
Speaker 1: I think there's real consideration to move him. Do you
Speaker 1: think if I said to you one, no way, ten? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: where do you think the discussion meter is at? In Chicago?
Speaker 1: They didn't draft him, This GM didn't draft him. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say that right as history tells us
Speaker 1: if a head coach and a GM or charge and
Speaker 1: they didn't draft this quarterback, if it's not their guy,
Speaker 1: you're out there ice like you're you're looking for your guy,
Speaker 1: and they would They're absolutely going to do their due
Speaker 1: diligence on all of these quarterbacks, right C J. Strout
Speaker 1: included Bryce young Levis. I mean, they'd be they'd be
Speaker 1: stupid not to to do everything they can to see
Speaker 1: any of these guys is a franchise quarterback. I tend
Speaker 1: to think though, that the Bears are looking at their
Speaker 1: roster and they're seeing holes everywhere. It was a week offense,
Speaker 1: it was a weak defense. They need everything that they
Speaker 1: can play their hand in a way to really sell
Speaker 1: the fact that they that they want a quarterback, whether
Speaker 1: they do or they don't, and trade down because you've
Speaker 1: got three or four teams in the top ten that
Speaker 1: need a quarterback and everybody knows they need a quarterback
Speaker 1: that you can have. You can get them basically fighting
Speaker 1: each other to the death for that first overall pick
Speaker 1: and get a bounty to rebuild your team. That just
Speaker 1: seems really enticing to me. If I'm Ryan Poles to
Speaker 1: know that, Okay, do we know if Justin Fields, a
Speaker 1: guy we don't know. As you just said, you can
Speaker 1: go either direction. You can look at him as he's
Speaker 1: a thousand yard rusher, he's athletic, he had a big
Speaker 1: armed Ohio State. Maybe we just have to put the
Speaker 1: weapons around him and he can make that Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: kind of kind of ascension here in year three. Or
Speaker 1: maybe the accuracy is something he's never going to learn,
Speaker 1: but you at least give him a shot for a year,
Speaker 1: because I think that ability to sell the fact that
Speaker 1: you want a quarterback could lead to a ton of
Speaker 1: picks because somebody's gonna fall in love with Bryce Young
Speaker 1: out of that group, so somebody's gonna really view him
Speaker 1: as the savior, and that could let you three or
Speaker 1: four starters for all we know. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Houston, because they're at two and has holes to fill,
Speaker 1: will stay there and draft a quarterback. I could see
Speaker 1: the Colts, who I think draft four or five. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's five. I could see them saying, listen, our scouts
Speaker 1: think Bryce Young special will give you our first round pick,
Speaker 1: will take yours. I don't think you'd have to give
Speaker 1: up a bounty. You'd probably have to give up a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds. I don't know what it would be,
Speaker 1: but if I'm only moving up four spots, I think
Speaker 1: Bryce Young's the most talented. I think Richardson from Florida
Speaker 1: is the most tantalizing. I think Will Levis feels like
Speaker 1: there's a ceiling, but I like his talent and I'm
Speaker 1: not sold on CJ. Stroud. I think he's as good
Speaker 1: as the team he inherits. I do think Bryce Young
Speaker 1: has special qualities. I think his ability to see the
Speaker 1: field is better than justin field right now. I think
Speaker 1: he sees the field. I saw him playing high school.
Speaker 1: I watched ten fifteen games in college. I think Bryce
Speaker 1: Young's sort of accuracy, awareness and ability to see the
Speaker 1: entire field. I think it's really unique. He's just tiny,
Speaker 1: so I can see. I don't think Houston would move
Speaker 1: up because I don't I could see the Colts on
Speaker 1: draft Day making a move. I really could. They're not
Speaker 1: going to play their hand early, but I could see
Speaker 1: on draft day Chicago getting because by the way, if
Speaker 1: Chicago moves down to the fourth or fifth pick, they
Speaker 1: can still get to rush end, which they need. And
Speaker 1: as we know with these gms, it's always an exercise
Speaker 1: of survival. So I get it. Like if you draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback, if you're Ryan Poles the Chicago Bears, you're
Speaker 1: resetting the rookie contract, right, You have a quarterback on
Speaker 1: a rookie deal. Every team wants that. But you're on
Speaker 1: the clock as at GM. Now your fate is tied
Speaker 1: to this guy. Usually, where if you go go with
Speaker 1: Justin Fields for another year, maybe trade down, you get
Speaker 1: all kinds of picks. You keep it. If it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, if he falls flat on his face, then
Speaker 1: you got a shot the next year. You kind of
Speaker 1: buy yourself a little bit more time to say, well,
Speaker 1: that wasn't our guy, but we're still going to find
Speaker 1: our guy, and we have all this other stuff that's
Speaker 1: going really really well. Look at Joe Douglas with the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. They've done a lot of other stuff
Speaker 1: well around on the quarterback position, but they haven't out quarterback.
Speaker 1: But they're still there. So I think that he's good
Speaker 1: enough to where you can talk yourself into him being
Speaker 1: the guy and him having a future. I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if the Bears took a quarterback. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to entertain offers and if there's if they had the stampath,
Speaker 1: they take somebody else. Yeah. Bryce Young's interesting. He's smaller.
Speaker 1: He's played in California and the South, so he's never
Speaker 1: played in cold, windy weather. And there's always been a
Speaker 1: feeling that in these Pittsburgh's, Baltimore, Chicago's now Minnesota obviously
Speaker 1: plays indoors, but Farvan Rodgers both had strong arms. There's
Speaker 1: always been a feeling up north. Flacco had a big arm.
Speaker 1: Burrows certainly got a good enough arm that you you know,
Speaker 1: it never made sense it. Bryce Young may not make
Speaker 1: physical sense now in indian a dome or Houston, he does.
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't draft. They're just certain guys that
Speaker 1: are like Teddy Bridgewater would never be a guy I
Speaker 1: draft a Northern team. Put him in New Orleans, put
Speaker 1: him in Miami. That sounds crazy. But certain guys don't
Speaker 1: have the big arm Justin Fields does. But even Justin
Speaker 1: Fields remarked this week I saw a quote He's like,
Speaker 1: I hope we get a dome in Chicago. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a Georgia kid. He's like, I would love to
Speaker 1: play a dome. Now. He played at Ohio State, obviously,
Speaker 1: but the NFL season's much longer. You know, you play
Speaker 1: in Chicago, those last four games at home. It's it's wendy,
Speaker 1: it's rough. You're right on, You're not far from the lake.
Speaker 1: You know. I've been around that stadium. I've jogged around it.
Speaker 1: I've been around it ten times. So Bryce Young is
Speaker 1: not the physical athlete. I don't think he has quite
Speaker 1: the arm strength of Justin Field. So for that reason,
Speaker 1: I could see them saying we're gonna give it one
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