WEBVTT - Robert Rock

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<v Speaker 1>the Son of Witch podcast. This week's guest. After just

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<v Speaker 1>what was an amazing US Open with Bryce and d

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<v Speaker 1>Chambeau as now the twenty twenty four US Open, I

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<v Speaker 1>caught up with Robert rock I had him on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast back in twenty twenty one. The Rocky played last

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<v Speaker 1>week at the USA. He qualified and it's a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>He had an almost twenty year career on the DP

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<v Speaker 1>World Tour twice a winner be Tiger Woods down the

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<v Speaker 1>Stretch in twenty twelve at the ABADABHSBC Championship, and he

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't play a lot of competitive golf these days,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has one of I mean, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best golf swings I've ever seen. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>golf swing if you are a golf nerd or golf

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<v Speaker 1>swing pervert, everybody loves his golf swing. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really I thought it was one of the really

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<v Speaker 1>cool stories last week. Didn't make the cut at a

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<v Speaker 1>really good first round, but the golf course was really,

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<v Speaker 1>really hard. I caught up with him on Sunday and

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<v Speaker 1>he had a lot of good things to say about

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<v Speaker 1>his week, about how he qualified, and I just think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a really cool story about a guy that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really playing full time to qualify for a major. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think there's a lot to learn from it. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing a lot of coaching now, he's still doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of playing. But one of last week's really

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<v Speaker 1>really cool stories. It's a really cool interview with Robert

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<v Speaker 1>rock Enjoy it. Rocky, we had you on the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>I think back in two thousand in one, but obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this stage your life and this stage of your career

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<v Speaker 1>for you to qualify for the US Open, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we'd get on and talk about the week and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously not the second round you wanted, but just the

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<v Speaker 1>impetus at this stage your career. I mean, you had

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<v Speaker 1>such a successful career on DP World. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>had wins, you'd be Tiger and Abadhabi, But at this

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<v Speaker 1>stage of your life, what was the reason why you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to try and qualify for.

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<v Speaker 2>A major again?

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<v Speaker 1>And then talk us through qualifying and getting to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest majors in our sport.

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<v Speaker 2>There's probably a little bit of a twisted experiment for

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<v Speaker 2>me really because I haven't haven't played hardly at all

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<v Speaker 2>in two years.

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<v Speaker 1>No for the people listening to this, Rocky, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you haven't really played competitive golf in

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<v Speaker 1>a number of years, I think is testament to the

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<v Speaker 1>game that you've always had. But I think it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to be just golf porn. Amazing golf swing.

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<v Speaker 2>That you've gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you I was on the

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<v Speaker 1>Pudding Green. I can't remember what day it was, but

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<v Speaker 1>you were on the Pudding Green and Tiger and his

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<v Speaker 1>son Charlie were there, and you know, he introduced you

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<v Speaker 1>to Charlie and I heard him say this, guy's got

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<v Speaker 1>the best golf swing in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, your.

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<v Speaker 1>Golf swing has always been for the for the golf

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<v Speaker 1>pervs like us. You are somebody I will watch hit

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<v Speaker 1>golf balls.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that you didn't really play competitively for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>And where did you try and qualify for the US Open?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? So? And why yeah, I've done the qualifier

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<v Speaker 2>at Walton Heath for the last oh god knows how

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<v Speaker 2>many years, which is a great of course, brilliant school.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a wicked day, right, So you go, you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Walton Heath, you played thirty six sols by both courses.

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<v Speaker 2>That people are just free to roam all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>They're walking their dogs, watching golves. It's a cool event, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as European Golf's concerned, it's probably one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best fields that we assembled for sure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is better than most tournaments. So it was a chant.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my last chance to enter at that stage.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'll enter US Open qualifying at regional stage,

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<v Speaker 2>which I mean, and I'll have to come over here

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. You still had status. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why i'd stays played right two years off,

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<v Speaker 2>but you've won on DP, so yes, I forget what

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<v Speaker 2>category made me enter, but I thought, while it's there,

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<v Speaker 2>i'll have a go. And two years two years I

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<v Speaker 2>played the open qualifier. Last year it was only one

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<v Speaker 2>shot out and I played really nice there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was first out in that qualifier and misjudged the scoring,

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<v Speaker 2>played the last role really cautiously and missed out by one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and the previous last year I played qualifier

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<v Speaker 2>at Warton Heath as well and sort of surprised myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round. I think I got it four

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<v Speaker 2>under at one point and then made a really stupid

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<v Speaker 2>course management era which was down to not playing right.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sharp enough and I just wasn't thinking well enough.

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<v Speaker 2>But a few weeks ago played Warton Heath again, got

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<v Speaker 2>to play with really good friend James Morrison. Good player,

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<v Speaker 2>great play. I used to used to coach James actually

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<v Speaker 2>until he fired me. Bless him, maybe we want to

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<v Speaker 2>hire you. And he played really nice right, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>having quite a good game. We were both well under par.

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<v Speaker 2>I messed it up a little bit. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance on a par five again made a stupid course

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<v Speaker 2>management decision because I wasn't thinking sharp, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>only I was only laser in the yardages. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>bother with the book. I just thought, I'm going for

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<v Speaker 2>a game out with James, have a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a laugh, see if I can put together

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of decent rounds. But I hit the ball

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant first day and hold a few putts and then

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<v Speaker 2>hit a three wood over the back of a par five,

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<v Speaker 2>which was stupid because it was just an eye on

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<v Speaker 2>to the front edge and two put right, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would have got me to five under for the day

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<v Speaker 2>on the first round, which I think with another par

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<v Speaker 2>five to go, I should have closed that round at

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<v Speaker 2>five or six under, which James did. James finished at five.

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<v Speaker 2>I finished at three, and I thought, oh, well, that

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<v Speaker 2>was good fun. That's my chance for a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm for the second round. Thought that's that gone, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just coach round with James because he's playing well.

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<v Speaker 2>He might in And then the second round I started off,

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<v Speaker 2>actually started for the first hole a bit sort of

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<v Speaker 2>casually thinking I'm just accompanying James because he's five underd

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<v Speaker 2>I'm three on you, not thinking you're gonna make it

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<v Speaker 2>no no furthest thing from mine at that point, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I almost thought, well, my back's not great. I'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>probably hobble in and just support him. So I messed

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<v Speaker 2>the first hole up, which was an easy short part

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<v Speaker 2>for missed a little pot on the second for a birdie,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I birdied the third. We'd gone me to

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<v Speaker 2>four under, and I think James had stayed at five.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I birdied. I think I birdied the next. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The next hole a luckie shot out of the heather

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<v Speaker 2>which rolled down to like six foot or six foot

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<v Speaker 2>ten foot to hold that. So I'm now five under, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying as James, and an hour ago I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's getting in Now I'm on the same score,

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<v Speaker 2>you ever know, right? And then I made a couple

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<v Speaker 2>more birdies and I got to eight underpart, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I started to realize that I actually was getting close

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<v Speaker 2>to getting in here, and I've got five those holes

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<v Speaker 2>to go, and that that dawned on me a bit too.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine shifts because we just had the last major with

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<v Speaker 1>the PJA at Valhalla and that famous duel where Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob May are playing on Sunday and everybody remembers that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember Tiger talking to me about that round

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<v Speaker 1>back when my dad was working with him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that there was a point late in the round

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<v Speaker 1>on that Sunday to where up until that point, Bob

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<v Speaker 1>May never thought he was going to beat Tiger Woods

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<v Speaker 1>in the final round of a major championship in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody thought that, Like the best players in the

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<v Speaker 1>world didn't. Bj Singh didn't think that, Ernie Els didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think they had a real chance to beat when he

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<v Speaker 1>was Bob May definitely didn't think, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was free wheeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember Tiger saying that there was a point

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<v Speaker 1>to where he had a putt for Parr and Bob May,

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<v Speaker 1>like Tiger said, I had like a six seven footer

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob May had hid it in there closer for Bertie,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I made mine. And he said his

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<v Speaker 1>father had told him watch other players as a junior,

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<v Speaker 1>watch player's routines, because if their routine alters, they're nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said he took one extra practice stroke and

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<v Speaker 1>one extra look and he missed the pot.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said he.

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<v Speaker 1>Knew that up until that point, he was just freewheeling it,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect it. But he said that was the first

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<v Speaker 1>put that he knew he needed to make, but he

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<v Speaker 1>expected to make and he missed it. And that mind

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<v Speaker 1>shift of you're freewheeling it. You've got no expectations, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so many people listening to this podcast will be

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<v Speaker 1>like that. They'll have a good score, they'll just be

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<v Speaker 1>freewheeling it, and then they make that mistake. I can

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<v Speaker 1>break ninety to day if I par in and that

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<v Speaker 1>can be really you got to avoids. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>qualify for a major. You've got no expectations, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you're like, I'm eight under with five

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<v Speaker 1>to play, So how did you handle the next five?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that can go one of two ways. Absolutely, I

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<v Speaker 2>was eight under and I'm standing on a par five

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<v Speaker 2>and I hit brilliant three with off the tea just

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<v Speaker 2>short of this fair way trap, which was the hard shot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got a five iron into this par five,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty easy flag, and I thought, hang on a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going nine under here right before of it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I pulled this five on, which was typical. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my typical shot when yeah, I pull it when I

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<v Speaker 2>get I'm a little bit nervous and a bit quick.

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<v Speaker 2>So I pulled it to left of the green, lagged

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<v Speaker 2>to put woefully short, and missed it. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>damn it, that's that's pretty much on queue with how

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<v Speaker 2>how I was feeling. I thought, right, I got to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to reevaluate quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you starting to get ahead of yourself at

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<v Speaker 1>that point to to thinking about the outcome? Because we're

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<v Speaker 1>always telling our junior golfers and people, listen, stick with

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<v Speaker 1>the process, don't think about the result. Don't think about

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<v Speaker 1>the outcome. That is really hard to do when you're

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<v Speaker 1>really and it is a skill that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to learn that skill.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the whole point of practicing horse management.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're not playing a lot for an elite player

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<v Speaker 1>like yourself, like you said, you make some sloppy boat

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<v Speaker 1>he's some sloppy mistakes because you're just not short because

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't had.

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<v Speaker 2>To think like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so four holes left in the qualify over the

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<v Speaker 1>US Open, you're eight under.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talk me through it. So I wasn't quite aware

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<v Speaker 2>that I was getting that tight, but the five iron

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<v Speaker 2>reminded me that i'd really put myself into the right zone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm if i'd a birdied that hole, which I should

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<v Speaker 2>have done dead easy, i'd i'd I'm nine under. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on the qualifying mark in my own head. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually looked at how many places were playing for because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really consider it as a qualifier. So so

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<v Speaker 2>i'm the next hole. I'm so I'm eight under. And

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<v Speaker 2>the next hole is a blind t shop sharply around

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<v Speaker 2>the corner. You can't see the fairway. And James went first,

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<v Speaker 2>and he showed me the lion right and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>driving it brilliant and I completely bailed out on this

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<v Speaker 2>t shot. Hit it right. I thought, damn it, that's

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<v Speaker 2>my chance gone right, both power and a par five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the in the row or the heather. I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fun while it lasted. This is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a bogie here, maybe worse. And I've got three holes left,

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<v Speaker 2>the reasonably hard holes to finish. Thought, oh well, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got ahead of myself. I deserve that i'd hit a

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<v Speaker 2>provision or found the first drive. They're both in the

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<v Speaker 2>same place. My only option was to chip it into

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<v Speaker 2>the green side bonker. I'd run it under the trees

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<v Speaker 2>into the bonker. I thought, well, smart play front, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a smart enough play. I thought, I've got away

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<v Speaker 2>with it, finding.

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<v Speaker 1>In the front bunkery somehow find a way to make

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<v Speaker 1>a park.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then that's then I'm going to need to

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<v Speaker 2>probably nick one coming in if that goes to plan

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<v Speaker 2>and hold the bon.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you were going to say that that's unbelievab Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was unbelievable. I was on the up slope. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been practicing. I hadn't been practicing bunker shots, but I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been rehashing this Bonker lesson. I got off Krista

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<v Speaker 2>Marco right off an op slope. I've told so many

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<v Speaker 2>people in the past month about how to hit these

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<v Speaker 2>up slow bunker shots.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, for all the listeners tell us how to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the upslide. So when it's on an up slope,

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<v Speaker 1>what did Krista Marco tell you what we played?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Can everyone listen? Yeah, I've known with christ Marco

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<v Speaker 2>in Abbadabbi guy must be ten ten or more years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>a right, neither of us were having a particularly good day.

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<v Speaker 2>He found the front bunker on a load of high

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<v Speaker 2>on the up slope to back pins, and he must

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<v Speaker 2>have here half a dozen of them. They're all just

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<v Speaker 2>pitched right by the hole, tapping in for pars and birdies.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've never seen anyone do it so well on

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<v Speaker 2>the up slope. On the up slide, which is a tough,

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<v Speaker 2>tough shot because.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to try and get your body in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to you got to somehow get distance on

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<v Speaker 2>it right. And there were thirty five yard bunker shots

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<v Speaker 2>that were brilliant. So at the end of the round

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<v Speaker 2>we're packing up bus stuff and I got mate, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm such a good day, but please tell me how

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<v Speaker 2>you played those right, because I need I need that

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<v Speaker 2>shot right. All of us need that shot. It's such

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<v Speaker 2>a hard shot. It it's easy. He's just hock them.

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Cowan talks a lot about I mean, I've spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time obviously around Brooks and the work

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<v Speaker 1>that he does with Pete Cowen. Pete talks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about hooking some chips and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the average golfer.

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<v Speaker 1>It can help all the rest of us, the non

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<v Speaker 1>tour players, to think a little bit like, but why

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<v Speaker 1>does that work?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he didn't explain in too much detail at the time, because.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know you went back and figured it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he as we do when we miscuts. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to get out of there, don't we. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thankfully I was smart enough to not ask

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<v Speaker 2>too much and piss him off. But I went back

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<v Speaker 2>and pondered it, and I thought, yes, it just makes

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<v Speaker 2>perfect sense. And when you when you're trying to draw

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<v Speaker 2>or hook something, you shift your path a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more into out, which generally makes the club follow the slope. Pies,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on an up slope, you're going from low to

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<v Speaker 2>high right and out to win path is high to line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easier to draw it off an uphill lie than

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<v Speaker 1>to try and fade it. Yeah, of course, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>eisier to have faded off of downhill.

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<v Speaker 2>I use the path on bunker shots a lot just

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<v Speaker 2>to follow that slope, and most of our most people

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<v Speaker 2>that try in that up hill lie bunker shot. The

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<v Speaker 2>hard part is to stop the club burying into the

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<v Speaker 2>sand so much, which takes out all of the energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all, and you have to hit them so hard

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to cut across them and That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I was guilty of at the time. Is it trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hit the ball so hard on a op hill

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<v Speaker 2>bunker shot with an open face cutting across it, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get it to go thirty yards. It's just it

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't happen, does it. It's just too hard. So

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as you start, you just shift the path

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<v Speaker 2>as much into out as you need to to make

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<v Speaker 2>it just skim the sound like a normal bunker shot,

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<v Speaker 2>And my bunker shots have been instantly bare.

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<v Speaker 1>Well because on the up slope that makes for everyone listening.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why that makes sense is when it's a

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<v Speaker 1>regular bunker shot, most players are doing the draw. They're

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<v Speaker 1>too shallow, the arc bottoms out, they hit behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>or they blade it. So we're always trying to have

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<v Speaker 1>players on. An easy fix for bunkers is to get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit steeper to get the club working more

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<v Speaker 1>up and down. But when it's on in upslope, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the death move because you're going to hit it straight

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<v Speaker 1>into the sand and you can't make a big enough

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<v Speaker 1>swing to offset it.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially with a face open as well. You kind of

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<v Speaker 2>slice in an open blade straight underneath the ball and

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing actually hitting the ball at that point is

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<v Speaker 2>other than the amount of sand you try and shift.

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<v Speaker 2>So probably since that day my bunker shots have got

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<v Speaker 2>miles better. And of course I've been sort of teaching

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<v Speaker 2>that bunker shot. I think I've done a session with

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Hall previously and a few hours that i'd seen

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<v Speaker 2>at the Belfry or it went with. I seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have done that lesson a lot, right, So I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what, you might as well actually sort of

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<v Speaker 2>practice what you peach a little bit here, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you haul the bunker gone. Now a panic even more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have three holes left your nine under it, and

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm in right, I can only mess up, So

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<v Speaker 2>now you can only suck it up. And I hit

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<v Speaker 2>a lovely drive on the next pulled my wedge thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>two put it, and then I pulled two drives in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. Actually know there was a part five which

0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.080
<v Speaker 2>was a really long Part five, but a really good

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<v Speaker 2>drive there. Good three would down it, but it went

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<v Speaker 2>in the heather, chipped it on leg this pot up.

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<v Speaker 2>Two pointed that and then I pulled it on the

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<v Speaker 2>next after tea and it went towards some trees. But

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<v Speaker 2>I knew there was there was space over there, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was obviously it wasn't intentional. Ran through the trees

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<v Speaker 2>like little clump of trees but not with rough round them,

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<v Speaker 2>and ran onto the I think it's the second tee

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<v Speaker 2>of the course we were playing, and I had eighty

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<v Speaker 2>yards left clear line at the flag. I thought, God,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so lucky here, right, do not do not mess

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<v Speaker 2>this up? Right? It's just a log wed. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>love web, a log wedge onto a green, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Twentier room to run it, lots of options, couldn't be easier.

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<v Speaker 2>So what option did you take?

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<v Speaker 1>Because with eighty yards you could either hit the low

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<v Speaker 1>runner of the one that checked, or you could carry.

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<v Speaker 2>The normal, normal full lob wedge for me goes eighty

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<v Speaker 2>one yards right, So I say, you couldn't ask for

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<v Speaker 2>a better break here? Number right? And I quit on

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<v Speaker 2>this swing like you wouldn't believe. I slowed down, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>I still struck it okay, but I thought, God, that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was like a slow motion. Where do you

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<v Speaker 2>have left for a park? Well, it somehow took a

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<v Speaker 2>bounce and popped up onto the green about not not

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<v Speaker 2>pin high, but it was about thirty four up over

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a corner of the green that was raised

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<v Speaker 2>by the bunker. Not my favorite part by any means,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hold that pot as well, right, and James

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<v Speaker 2>was like, James.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, yes, get in now you're ten under.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that got me to got me to

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<v Speaker 2>nine under. So now two holes left, one hole that

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<v Speaker 2>was the seventeen one hole left, pulled the three wood.

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<v Speaker 2>But playing partner James, he was class right because he

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<v Speaker 2>was still going first, he's gone on the last t.

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<v Speaker 2>I've gone, you up the laser. I haven't got a book.

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<v Speaker 2>And the cross bunker didn't know how far it was

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<v Speaker 2>away right, and it was a nice warm day. The

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<v Speaker 2>fairways are running fast, and I thought, driver probably gets

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<v Speaker 2>in that bunker, but I don't know for certain, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get as close as I can because

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<v Speaker 2>I need this to be an easy shark. Right. Him

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<v Speaker 2>and his caddy were talking out loud. Thankfully it's three

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<v Speaker 2>in this. I overheard him saying three twenty to the bonker.

0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought, right, driver does get in that, so three

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<v Speaker 2>would down the left a little bit, found a great

0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.720
<v Speaker 2>lie lob wedge eased off on it too much again,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, oh, please carry the bunker and the heather,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just about carried both and just trickled down

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.960
<v Speaker 2>fifteen foot. I thought, wow, I got fifteen foot now

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm in. I'm already in. I think this is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone else around me was acting like it was enough enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. I didn't have any spots. We were

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<v Speaker 2>playing for you make it? No, no, no. It was

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<v Speaker 2>such a weak week effort, but I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>three put that and regret.

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<v Speaker 1>How long was the wait to figure out if you

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<v Speaker 1>made it?

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the afternoon I had to do an interview

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<v Speaker 2>and stop, but I'll come in at second. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in second place at nine under, and then they said

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<v Speaker 2>there's nine places and there's a load of good players

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<v Speaker 2>behind me. Right, You're like, this isn't going to stare.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for all the praise on shooting nine unders, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I'm not sure this is in yet. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it drifted out a little bit. I finished fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was only one away from the playoff in

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<v Speaker 2>the end, so it was a long way. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of beers. I was so stressed right because

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a The last four holes just took

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.359
<v Speaker 2>me through it unbelievably it was that I'd forgotten what

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<v Speaker 2>it was like playing qualifiers.

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<v Speaker 1>And when's the last time you played a full schedule

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<v Speaker 1>on DP world?

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<v Speaker 2>What year? God like fall schedule. I don't actually know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I played fifteen events for the last three

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<v Speaker 2>years I was playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Whence the last time you played twenty events? Twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five events?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, ages, Ages, Maybe the first year back from COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>I might have gone twenty events. Yeah, the year before that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was slowing down. I was really struggling with my

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<v Speaker 2>back when I was playing loads of events, and it

0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was taking the fun out of it, right, because it

0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.719
<v Speaker 2>was hurting when I was practicing. It was hurting when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a tournament, so I was doing doing all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of time. When I was doing yoga, I was

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<v Speaker 2>taking loads of pills. I was even starting running, right,

0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't do that right just to that's great for

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<v Speaker 2>your back. I remember one tournament I just felt the

0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 2>urge to run down the fairway because I was my

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.800
<v Speaker 2>hips on my back were just felt so stiff. So

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that all the time. Rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the urge to run away from tour clars,

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel the urge to run the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>So I haven't played a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get here, you get to Pinehurts, and again

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<v Speaker 1>you've qualified for one.

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<v Speaker 2>That you know is going to be. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is an iconic, it's fiery, it's bouncy.

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<v Speaker 1>But for your game, you've got to love a place

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<v Speaker 1>like this, because this is a ball striker's paradise.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to control your absolutely is now I've been

0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.280
<v Speaker 2>here and seeing it, it absolutely is. Yeah. And the

0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.719
<v Speaker 2>excitement lasted for about a day for qualifying, and then

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it turned into shit, what have I got myself into here? Right?

0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>It would have been hard enough qualifying just for a

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.359
<v Speaker 2>regular event, thinking I am playing, I must still up

0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 2>for this, And then I thought US Open. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you're throwing yourself back in at the proper deepend

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<v Speaker 2>don't you do? You show up here? When did you

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<v Speaker 2>get here? It came Monday? Monday. I did loads of

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<v Speaker 2>loads of practice at home, just trying to build the swing,

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<v Speaker 2>get it into good or the expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, you go into trying to qualify for the US

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<v Speaker 1>Open with zero expectations. You qualify, then you show up

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<v Speaker 1>to the US Open. What were the expectations at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the week. Did you think if I can

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<v Speaker 1>make the cut, it's a good week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wanted to. Like I said at the start,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a little bit of a twisted experiment to

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<v Speaker 2>see whether just working on the things that I had

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<v Speaker 2>done with my swing over the last ten years or so,

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<v Speaker 2>whether I could just tap back to those quickly enough

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<v Speaker 2>get the swing looking like it used to look or

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<v Speaker 2>be a little bit slower, right, and see if those

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the notes and notes that I would have

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<v Speaker 2>had from tournaments and my swing thoughts that I relied on, like,

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<v Speaker 2>would they work two years later? Right? Would they still?

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<v Speaker 2>Could have still do it right? Could have still hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ball as well? Shut even part of the first round?

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<v Speaker 2>They obviously were. That's what I wanted to do, really,

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<v Speaker 2>was to come and see if I could. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>played in front of a lot of people, are they ever? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people, a lot of people, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people here this and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's potentially embarrassing. But the first few days here on

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<v Speaker 2>the range were great. Got to see a load of

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<v Speaker 2>people like yourself that I haven't seen in ages, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the cool thing was I were lovely to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I watched you. I mean you are a golf

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<v Speaker 1>pervert and a golf nerd like the rest of us

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<v Speaker 1>that are instructors. I watched you with your all access

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<v Speaker 1>badge when you weren't actually practicing yourself. You're standing on

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<v Speaker 1>seventy the first round. You played fantastic the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that like? So was it a carryover from

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<v Speaker 2>the qualifier? Obviously?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting, Rocky. The Walton Heath and this course

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<v Speaker 1>they're not miles apart in kind of how they're set up.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, driving wise, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very similar because why if you miss a fair

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<v Speaker 1>way there, you're making X if you're lucky to find it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and in Walton Heath, I remember the first time

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I played there. I snapped pooked a T shirt and

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<v Speaker 1>it's sitting in this ice plant.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can hit this easy, and I took a swing and

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>thing went sideway. You can get lucky here, Phil talked

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<v Speaker 1>about I talked about this on on my podcast last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil said that the hard part about this golf course

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<v Speaker 1>is if you get offline, it baits you into thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I can probably get this lie there. He said, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to lay up short and you can play this

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>course from the front of these greens. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>play from left, right or over the green.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I made that mistake a couple of times. Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>but Thursday, when I had some who'd you play with?

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<v Speaker 2>I played with Neil Shipley, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Neil Shipley for a college golfer. He played great,

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>played Braided Augusta and he's playing He's played good this week.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really good. Yeah, he's got good, good all around.

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<v Speaker 2>Get drove it lovely, putt it nice, seemed to smile player.

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Played with Nico. He was a good player too. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a rough start and battle back and played really

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>well Friday. So two nice lads to play with. But

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<v Speaker 2>I drove it really well on Thursday, right, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really in any bother I think I had most

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<v Speaker 2>of fair ways would you have to do around here?

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<v Speaker 2>Which couldn't have gone better really because my iron play

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 2>was good. I didn't miss many greens. I think when

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I missed a green, I was a little bit short

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<v Speaker 2>and I just put it up, And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>saved two pars from the bunkers on the right sides,

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:31.439
<v Speaker 2>which were easy bunker shots.

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<v Speaker 1>You were early late or late early early late early late,

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<v Speaker 1>which was I think the better draw this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Possibly? Yeah. Playing early was great for me having

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<v Speaker 2>just got in it because it was a little quieter,

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<v Speaker 2>It was a little softer.

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<v Speaker 1>Were as many people down the sides of the fairways'.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was being solely judged on every shot, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was it was so draining that first eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you enjoy it? I loved it. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I came in here, my back was sore when I

0:24:59.920 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>was finished. My head was hurting from the amount of

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>concentration right, because I hadn't tried that hard at golf

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<v Speaker 2>probably in nearly ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think everyone listening has any real understanding. It's

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<v Speaker 1>to how mentally taxing majors are. Augusta's mentally taxing in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way than US Opened. They set these up

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<v Speaker 1>to be a test of they're testing your game, your technique,

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but I think what the US Open always tests is

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<v Speaker 1>your mental strength because the way the USGA likes to

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<v Speaker 1>set these golf courses up, and especially here at Pinehurst

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<v Speaker 1>number two ruck these greens can sometimes be forty paces

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<v Speaker 1>deep and there might be ten paces for them to

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<v Speaker 1>put pins, So mentally it's very draining.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed that part. I missed the just to trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make the right decision right sometimes luckily on the

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<v Speaker 2>first round, some of the yard is that I had

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<v Speaker 2>once i'd realized that the ball was going quite far

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 2>as well Hot County, but the yardage is fitted into

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<v Speaker 2>me just hitting slightly under like they were at the

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<v Speaker 2>top end of a lower club. So I'd had hit

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of shots hard knowing that I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>I could get there, certainly wouldn't go over the back,

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<v Speaker 2>but they might not reach the green. But on the

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>first round I played loads of shots like that and

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 2>they all they all actually just went that little bit

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<v Speaker 2>further and made it onto the green right and made

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<v Speaker 2>it easy. And then in the second round, what'd you

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<v Speaker 2>shoot day two? Nine over nine?

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<v Speaker 1>And you told me after you came and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you after the ground, you said, I honestly didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>nine over today.

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<v Speaker 2>And so were you? After shooting even.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor in a major championship at a US Open on

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<v Speaker 1>a golf course like this, Rocky, you've had a you

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<v Speaker 1>know the math, You're like, Okay, I shoot anything even

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even two over the more, I'm yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make the cut. Yeah by miles, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get ahead of yourself? No? But I felt

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<v Speaker 2>different in what way I know, and it was I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I didn't. But I was very, very nervous the

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<v Speaker 2>first day, really really thinking sharp, like I was on edge,

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>and I was really thinking. The nervousness helped you help

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<v Speaker 2>me better, help me think be Yeah, what the hell happened?

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 2>On Friday? I warmed up really really well. I hit

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<v Speaker 2>it lovely on the range, and then the drive down

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to the tenth didn't really help. A bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>delay on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Tee, yeah, because by the time you seized up a

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit you hit here at Pinehurst, the way they've

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>got this golf course routed, the ninth is miles away

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>from the clubhouse, and the driving range here is miles

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<v Speaker 1>away from the first hall, so you've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the back of the range and then it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>about a eight to ten twelve minute yeah, drive out

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>to the tenth and then you walk back from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tenth, so you nearly go in half an hour before

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you too.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't hit a shot, and everybody in the practice rounds,

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<v Speaker 1>the two rounds that Brooks and DJ played and started

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>on ten during the practice rounds, they both hit it

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<v Speaker 1>sideways off the tee because they hadn't hit a ball

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>in thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's harder and our back to down that tenth

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>hole and the tenth hall is it's not an easy hole.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>It's a par five, but it's also not an easy hole.

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>But there's only two part of buyers out here. So

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>as a player, you know five and ten at Plaininghurst

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>number two, there are your only chances to make berdies

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<v Speaker 1>legit berdie proper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the only chance is where you can actually feel

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>late after a good drive. You've just got to end

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 2>up there. And I didn't play five or ten particularly

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>well this week unfortunately. But ten you need two straight shots.

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Basically you don't have to flush both shots. But you

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>got them straight and I went down the right, had

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>side both On ten, managed to a lovely shot actually,

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>and got it on the green two parted it and

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought, okay, that's all right, that's all right. I'm

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>off and running. But I wasn't feeling quite the same unfortunately,

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and then a bad drive off eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>But you said you were nervous on Thursday and it

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>helped you, and you said you felt different on Friday.

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like I felt that Thursday had proved

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>to myself that actually I'm still playing all right. Yeah,

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you're still agreed, still playing all right? Right, So I

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>should be able to handle this because I've teed off

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>on the cup mark on a Friday before and felt

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>nervous all the way from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, another thing that I don't think a lot of

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 1>people listening understand is, regardless of what the tournament is,

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>if you don't get off to a good start on Thursday, right,

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you know all day Friday you are going to be

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>right around the cut line, and so you know that

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>any bogie you make takes you one step away from

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the cut and it's stressful because it's hard to free

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.479
<v Speaker 1>wheel it in that situation. And it doesn't matter if

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you're the best player in the world, the number one

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>ranked player in the world, or the three hundredth ranked

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>player in the.

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>World when you're on the cut line. And at a

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Tour players their rookie year will always have that I

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't get off to a good start on Thursday. So

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it seems like four tournaments in a row now every Friday,

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm just struggling to make the cut and I'm on

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the cut mark. And that's that's hard from a decision

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>making standpoint, but I think it's also hard mentally well.

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's hard to swing like that because it's hard to.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Swing freely knowing that any mistake you make and it

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>can get you. I think into that mindset Rocky of

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>you're trying not to hit bad shots as opposed to

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to hit good shots.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And I've spent a lot of time in

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>tournaments doing that and sometimes just not hitting a bad

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.239
<v Speaker 2>shot is what you have to do, right, And when

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.239
<v Speaker 2>you're a little bit younger, you probably play. And I

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>was watching Neil Shipley just I think I wish I

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 2>was twenty five playing this round.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Today college golf. Just freewheelly.

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>He was enjoying it and he played some smart golf.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>But for those listening that maybe have played some pro

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>goal for events with cuts, right, this tournament and this

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>course is like playing the last hole when you need

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>to make a part to make the court on every

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 2>hole on hole, and it's a difficult hole, right, and

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>any mistake you make feels like it's going to send

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you home. Right. So, and I made two early doubles

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>on Friday.

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>You said that the doubles didn't come from really bad shots,

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing I think everybody that's.

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't have made a slightly poor rouen on

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>eleven where I've been hearing a nice little drawer with

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the driver, and I did all of Thursday, drove it lovely.

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And my last little look up when I was setting

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>up over the ball, I caught a glimpse of an

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>overhanging tree right, which is coming into that eleventh and

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>it is in the way right. But sometimes you hit

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.479
<v Speaker 2>teacherts like you don't notice, and your ball takes off

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and it just misses it, and you think, oh, well,

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't notice that. That was pretty close. But I

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>got away with that. And then I took one little

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>last look and thought that's tight there, and I hit

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it and I pushed it straight at this tree and

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>it missed it, but it must have caught some later

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 2>trees and it bounced down into the it missed the

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>waist area, and it ended up on the pathway. And

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>then I felt like I was a bit of an

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 2>amateur golfer at this point. Right. So I'm walking down

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>this pathway to my ball and my ball sitting on

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the path so I thought, I've got a clean light, right,

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>so that's something. And all I can see down this

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>pathway it's just a straight line through all the pine trees, right,

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and there's this big, well not big, there's this small

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>patch of light up in the trees. I'm like, oh,

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that looks good, and that's the only thing you start

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>focusing on. I thought, I'm going down there, and I

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>thought that'd be stupid. Right, it's the US. I think

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>this is not the time to think, you said me

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>after two years off right, So immediately start looking left.

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, God, this chip out's I think this chip

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>out looks harder. But it's hard not to see the

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>nemes glaring at me. But the chip out was off

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of sandy light. And I'm going across the fairway and

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got to carry the waist, and I think I've

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>got to spin it to make it stop before the

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>other bit of waste, because if you.

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Hit it too far, you're going to have the exact

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>same shot.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I thought that's a hard shot. I thought,

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>which one's harder thing? Pulling across the fairway? I thought

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 2>which one if I messed this chip out? Or if

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I've got two hundred yards for my third out of

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the waist. So that's not looking good and I didn't

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>fancy it. And then I looked down. I thought, well,

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>if I can get it through that gap, I'm now

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>probably only twenty yards away from the green, don't know where,

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm only going to be twenty yards away. I thought,

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>if I'm in the waist twenty yards away from the green,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I could probably get it on the green. So I hear,

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 2>what club did you hit? Seven? Iron?

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I needed a six to get on the green, But

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the window for this wasn't wasn't going to be sack.

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do it. So I thought, oh, come on,

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you're right, you're here. You're here to enjoy it as well. Right,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>So I thought, Saturday, let's have a go. And I

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>set up over this this boar and I thought, righte,

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>deep breath, and let's just give this a crack. And

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>some of the spectators just started moving a little bit

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.479
<v Speaker 2>further away. I think you should be all right, right,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's them down there that need to worry. And

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I hit this thing and I struck it perfect, and

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.959
<v Speaker 2>it took off. It went straight through the gap and

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 2>hooked through the gap, and I thought, oh my god,

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got where murder. I'm on agreen right, But it

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't go far enough, missed all the trees. It went

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>through like as pure as anything. I thought, Oh, I

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>hope somebody's video dictu I was lovely. But it came

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>down in the bonker. But on the joint of the bunker,

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>between the bunker and the waist down, I weren't really

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>sure where I was at, and I didn't strike this

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>chip like a little chip or pitch firm enough, finished

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>on the front of green and a three points. So

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>my best shot turned into a double anyway, right, thought,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>that's welcome, Welcome to the US Welcome to the US Open.

0:33:58.040 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Yet and then my next double was a really good

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 2>seven eye that landed where I wanted to land. It

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't keep the chip on the green.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>So do you think the difficulty has been around this course?

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And where is the borderline on golf courses like this,

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Rocky in your opinion on fair versus not fair? Because

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>they are tucking pins here this week in places that

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the only I guess the argument would be, if you

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 1>hit a good shot, you get rewarded, but you can

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>hit a good shot here and get screwed. So you

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>said to me earlier, you love the golf course, you

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>love the setup. But for you as a player, for

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a golf course like this, it happens. I think at

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.479
<v Speaker 1>golf courses like this, and it happens at the Open

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Championship when the weather gets bad. Where is the line

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>for you where it is fair but not fair?

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I think around the greens it's fair, right, because there's

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>always a shot to play. There's always a shot to

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>get it on the green, right. The score in this

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>environment is almost irrelevant sometimes, So when I missed the

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>green on the part three, I actually I went second

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to play. I followed Nico's seven nine. I was in

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>two minds whether an eight or seven. He at seven

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 2>on the green about fifteen foot away, thought, right, that's

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>a shot. I felt like it exactly the same shot,

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>probably landed a yard or two further than his onement

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>over the back. My mistake at that point was I

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>got a nice lie on the back, tried a open

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 2>faced b lood wedge, hopefully with a little bit spin

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>on it. I haven't been playing enough to know whether

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm really getting these things spinning properly or not. But

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>there was a shot there to play, and I hit

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>it tiny bit too hard and I probably went a

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit too straight. I was aiming right at the

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>flag for sure, because I was trying to just get

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>it on the green, but I was sort of on

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the boulder side trying to get spin rather than actually

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>just dump this on the green and see where it finishes.

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 2>There was certainly a shot to play, and then the

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>next shot was apart from the front edge, which was

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>easy enough, but I under hit it. So now I've

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 2>got I had eight for a bow with about three

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 2>foot slope swing on it right and a bit a

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>lovely ta shot, and I've felt like I've it my

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>chip all right. But if you hit it in the

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 2>wrong place, you've got to be smart enough to know

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>now's not the time. This is a four right, you're

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>on a path three and you've bet a lovely shop.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean you need a three right. You need

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a four and you need to not And I think that.

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Is something incredibly powerful for everyone listening that doesn't have

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the skill set of someone like yourself that has had

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>a career on on on tour. It's sometimes I keep

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 1>saying this and people that are listening are going to

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>get tired of this. The way your score is going

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to get better for the average golfer is to make

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>more bogies. It's not to make more birdies. It's not

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to make more pars. The average golfer that is listening

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that is just ten to twenty five if you made

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>more bogies for the rest of this year, as opposed

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to making doubles, triples, quads.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Your scores are going to plump it, and your ego

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 2>has got a lot to do with that massively. I'm

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 2>thinking I can hit this spinny chip that I've probably

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>done a few times right recently, but my short games

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 2>not in the sort of realms of where maybe Chefflers

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>or Jordan Speeds or everyone who's at the top of

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>their game right now has got full control of their

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 2>strike and their spin. And I've probably watched that shot

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>on TV Friday morning from over the back, seeing somebody

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>nip it nice and it checked and then just fed

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 2>down to take it. I can do that. I've done

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.919
<v Speaker 2>it beforpriately. I think I could do that right right now.

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether I can do it or not.

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>And most of my chips aren't going to come off

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.280
<v Speaker 2>as high spinning as I see them, so I should

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>have gone right. Just remember what you do in here

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and just somehow get this on the green.

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 1>And you're in the coaching world now like I am.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And for everyone listening, you shoot nine over for the tournament.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Missed the cut, yeah, but five over makes the cut.

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>The two doubles you make, you make pars there. And

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying this double bogies, big numbers or destructive

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:55.959
<v Speaker 1>and destroy your cord.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So not that out now, It wasn't you keep the

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 2>doubles off, which is your priority, especially on day one

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and two in this If I don't double bogie a whole,

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I probably well, I'm pretty sure I'd still be playing today,

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mind if I make double bogies on

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Saturday or Sunday. Right coming where from where I've come from?

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>So how do you grade yourself this week? What grade

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 2>would you give yourself? And how did you my first round? Yeah,

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>my first round really.

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Is in the first round seventy in a major Pinehurst

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>US Open. Does that make you go I want to

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 1>start playing again?

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>No, it makes me want to play more majors. It

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me want to play normal tournaments. Right, it

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>makes me want to I want to test my brain

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 2>making these decisions because regular golf.

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Again, how could they know? The average golfer doesn't realize

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>it's watching on TV. The difference between a regular tournament

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>of the nine days, This is golf on If there's

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>something else other than steroids, this is golf on that.

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is testing all your experience everything. You can't

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>say get around here. Now everything you know about your

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>own game, right, have you got the discipline to just

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 2>say to yourself, I can't do this shop right, but

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I can do that one and that one will get

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>me afore and that's all I need here.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>But this is also the equivalent of a fifteen to

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.479
<v Speaker 1>twenty handicapper going out and playing their home course which

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>has slow greens that don't have slope in every round

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>is a major for you.

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 2>It really is.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>And if you can think about it like that and say, okay,

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>today is a major. If I go out and don't

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>make mental mistakes today, I'm going to make some technique mistakes.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Everybody does. Yeh.

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 1>The best players in the worm Bryson d Chambeau Saturday

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>made a double coming.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>In nothing as well.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>But every round of golf, the everyday golfer that's listening

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to the pod, it is a major. Treat it like

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that and just say listen, think well, manage your game

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 1>with the skill set that you've got.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>You've got, yeah, because you can ease he watch somebody

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 2>tea off and go oh that drive looks nice. I'm

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>going to do that.

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>But what's the grade do you give yourself this week?

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I think my first round was certainly ride up there

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>as a plus. Yeah, I was really pleased with that.

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I could have shot under par and I got to

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the last hole with a pot for a birdie, and

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, underpart would have got me in the

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>top ten. And then I thought, well, don't be too greedy,

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 2>too greedy here, right? What am I going to feel

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>more pissed off at? Right? Am I going to feel

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>pissed off at one over? Or I'm going to be

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>super excited at one under? And I thought, I'll tell

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.879
<v Speaker 2>you what, the one over was going to hurt more? Right,

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>So I just lagged it off and thought, levels levels

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a great day out there, right, And I was just

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 2>so relieved that I managed to get round okay with

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>very little prep. Right, I hadn't and even played and

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 2>even played an eighteen old practice round basically so to

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 2>battle my way round with. I think I had my

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>fullest amount of energy on that first day, and I

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>might have been lacking a little bit second date. So

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm disappointing myself that I made the wrong choices. Friday

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a chance to had a chance to make the cook

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 2>because I was five over for the first nine and

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>then I played the first four really really well, hit

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>some great shots and a thinner pitching edge on the

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 2>fifth over the green, which I mean, it's just such

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 2>a standard shot, right. I wasn't even trying to do

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 2>anything special with it. I was trying to hit it

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe a little bit harder to make sure it got there.

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>But I was trying to play the shorter club and

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>not go over the back of thind it. I thought,

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:24.919
<v Speaker 2>may you come all the way to the US open

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>your thinner pitchingmage, I when that's pathetic, right? So I

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>boge you that, and that's what made me chase on

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the last few holes. Unfortunately, I think I could have

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 2>coasted it in, but you never knowd I could have

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 2>three pointed from nowhere. But I got to the same

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 2>position as Francesco did on the night needing hole in

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 2>one to make the coup, and my my seven, I

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 2>landed about two yards left a where his did and

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 2>I made a fire.

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Rockie, let's talk about the golf swing I

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 3>mentioned earlier in Tiger Woods.

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Brad Faxon stopped recording video your golf swing.

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>So many players were looking at your golf swing. I mean,

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>are you aware of the golf swing that you have,

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 1>you must be aware of it. I mean, you were

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>as close to a lot of people's idea of perfection

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>with the way that you move the golf club. But

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I know you're as critical as all golfers are of their.

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Own move.

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>How did you go about getting the golf swing that

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>you have? If anybody listening hasn't seen you hit a

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>golf ball, you can find it online.

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Go look at it.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>It is as close to aesthetically perfect as possible.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>But how did you come about that?

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>And what are the things that you work on that

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you think make your swing good? And what are some

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>things that you think make golf swings good?

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, I think it's important to know this isn't

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>my golf swing, right, my golf swing that I started with,

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>it might have looked okay, sort of tempo wise, but

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>when you started, yeah, and me, when I turned pro,

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like it. It didn't feel right to me.

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 2>It didn't feel like a swing. It felt like a

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>bit of a hit. It felt like a decent backswing,

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.280
<v Speaker 2>but I felt like my downswing just wasn't didn't feel easy.

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And when I watched some really good pros that I

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>admired when I was younger, all of them, basically, whether

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 2>it be Sevy Faldo, Nick Price, Tiger Hogan, snead on

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 2>the endless list of people to look at, isn't there?

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I think mine doesn't feel like that on the way down.

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Feels all right going back, but it doesn't feel right

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>coming down. It feels like something's not right. So I

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>set about in a pretty determined and relentless way of

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to change that. Rather than actually trying to be

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 2>super competitive in saying I just need what I need

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>to do to win tournaments or play good, that just

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>became my obsession. So I've got to make this feel

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 2>better for me because that's what I want to do.

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't a tournament pro at that time, right,

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I was just a local club pro. So I just

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>chipped away at that day by day, finally got a

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 2>picture in my head of what I wanted mustling to

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>look like, which was what which is pretty much what

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>it looks like now.

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, no, you have a My daughter just

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>graduated from Dartmouth and Roger Federer gave the commencement speech,

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was fascinating. He said, everybody looked at my

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>game and says it was effortless. But he said nothing

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was effortless, every shot, nothing was effortless. He said everything

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I did was my team, myself. There was work, there

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 1>was purpose and stuff. So when we look at your

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>golf swing, it seems very unencumbered by lack of excess movement.

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.720
<v Speaker 2>That's basically what I wanted to do. I wanted to

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.280
<v Speaker 2>to rip out all the bits that I didn't feel necessary.

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 2>They didn't give me that, you didn't need, I didn't need.

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't need that. I didn't like trying

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to repeat that, things that didn't make any sense to him,

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any logic to it, right. I just wanted

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to rip all of that out and see what I

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>ended up with, basically, which would be in essence, a

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>simple turn and minimal Yeah, and I suppose it all

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>balls down for me that I think the turn in

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the swing is quite straightforward, right, once you've got an

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>idea of you're trying to turn on a slight tilted

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>angle with your shoulders and things heading down towards the

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>ball without too much shift one way or another. But

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>obviously I don't try and stay perfectly still. I like

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 2>my head to move from side to side a little

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 2>bit and knowing when when it's okay to do that.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Then it's pretty much all about how your right arm

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.439
<v Speaker 2>folds on the way back right. So the left arm.

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 2>If you're going to accept that your left arm's going

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.240
<v Speaker 2>to stay pretty straight, it hasn't got to do anything.

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>So everything else is the right arm. So if you

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>fold the right arm in order, and you've trained yourself

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>to keep your turn on a thick sort of axis,

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>then you've got to got to bend your right arm

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and straighten it at the right time, in the right

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 2>order right.

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Because you teach now as well. I think what you're

0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>saying is, I think the average golfer has so much

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>much excess movement, and I think that movement Rockie comes

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>because we're static. I gave a lesson once and it's

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 1>something that's always stuck with me. I gave a lesson

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>once to a guy that had sold his semi conductor

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 1>company to the US government for a gajillion dollars, and

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.359
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to learn how to play golf. And when

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I tell you, this guy had no talent, he had

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>no talent. He could be one of the most unathletic

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>human beings I've ever met, So trying to teach him

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to play, even swing a golf club was very difficult.

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>But he said something in a break where he was

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>putting more band aids on his hands for the blisters

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 1>that has stuck with you. It was twenty years ago.

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>He said.

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>The hardest part about golf for me is I'm starting

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.399
<v Speaker 1>at zero energy. And I just went, Yeah, we put

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you in a position.

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 2>We tell you there's no other sport to generate.

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Tennis Tennis, you're serving, but you're serving because you're trying

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to make the other player move as a returner of

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>SERVI you're trying to guess where they're going. Yeah, Cricket,

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.959
<v Speaker 1>you're standing there, you don't know were the balls coming, baseball, whatever.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>That golf is.

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 1>We put you in a static position, and I think

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in an effort to get power. So many golfers move

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 1>in an effort to try and get power. And like

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you said, it really is can your golf swing For

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>people that watch it looks so simple, but you're trying

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 1>to make it simple.

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to. I don't feel like I'm anyway

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>a sort of talented or athletic sort of person. I've

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 2>got lots of evidence in other sports to suggest I'm

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 2>no good at stuff. Right. So one of my I

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 2>guess key beliefs was that can I build a swing

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that makes me all right at this right without relying

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>on any sort of talent I might not have? Right?

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 2>So if I can build a swing that it's a

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 2>ball in a direction quite reliably, then that's in one

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>part and it takes heedable movement. Yeah, And can I

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>understand it? Can I keep doing it? Can I learn

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.759
<v Speaker 2>when it falls apart on me? And then the other

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>bits for golf, like you're chipping and you're putting in

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 2>your Bonker shots. That for me is where there's no

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 2>avoiding a bit of talent, Right. You need to be

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>able to see these things.

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Your technique will get you to a certain point. Yeah,

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>but to become Sevy Patrick read exactly these Shane.

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Lowry, I don't see it.

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>The magicians and that that is the next level.

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 2>That's the next level onwards. And I think when people

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 2>ask me about talent in sport, I think you've only

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 2>figured that out at the end. Right, So I'm pretty

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 2>sure are it more balls than most? Right? Obviously, There'll

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 2>be some that have it more than me, but not many.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 2>But the frustrating part is when you get to the end,

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 2>you know I can't have done much more, and then

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you look at people like Shane and Rory and you think,

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, no matter what I did right,

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 2>my car just wasn't fast. They could have had two

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 2>years off like me and still beat me. Right. That's annoying, right,

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 2>But actually talent isn't it.

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>But you've got Tiger Woods who a lot of people.

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you know there's been a bunch of it. But

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the two main areas of Tiger's dominance were when he

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>worked with my father and he worked with Hank Haney.

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I think Hank gets maligned a lot because everybody likes

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 1>aesthetically maybe the golf swing that Tiger had with my

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>dad because of the positions, but the win rate and

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the majors, the golf swing that Tiger built with Hank

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Haney was as good, if not better. I'm biased because

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>when I look at Tiger's golf swing, I remember the

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>glory years that was kind of the model of the

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Adam Stott model. When Tiger Woods, who's in my opinion,

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't grow up in the Jack Nichols hera. But

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>when Tiger Woods tells his son he's got the greatest

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>swing in the game, does that register to you, Rocky?

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Does that make you go, that's fucking pretty cool?

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you go? No?

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 1>No, no, But you have to when somebody like that

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>says something, there has to be in an acknowledgment, Rocky

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 1>in your own head, in a quiet moment when you're

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 1>by yourself, to say to yourself, the goat just told

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>me that my golf swing is the best he's ever seen.

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>That must mean something.

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just lovely in there, because.

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.399
<v Speaker 1>For everyone listening, Tiger does not throw those bouquets out

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>at all. He spends the majority of his career telling

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 1>everybody they're no good. So when I actually heard that,

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I watched your reaction. You took it well, you blew

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 1>it off. But that has to mean some. Like Tiger

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:27.400
<v Speaker 1>has said to me, you know, I grew up with

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I watched him. I videoed the first golf lesson he

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>had with my dad. I've known him a long time

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'm by no means close to him.

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 2>But every now and.

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Again, over the last ten years, he has said to me, Hey,

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>good job with DJ, good job with Brooks. When he

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>says that I do the same thing as you, I

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>blow it off and say thanks man.

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>You know they're great players stuff. But in quiet.

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Moments by myself, I have said to myself, it makes

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 1>me feel like I made it when Tiger.

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>If Tiger says something to you about or Tiger says

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 2>than about anyone, Right, he's a man, isn't he He's

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a man. So the fact that Tiger actually even knows

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>who I am.

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, well, you smoked his as said an album, which

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:09.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen very often.

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 2>No, But I'm more than happy that I can remember

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.240
<v Speaker 2>being an assistant pro watching him when that first Masters

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>sat in the was actually in the bar in the clubhouse,

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 2>thinking wow, look at this dude. This is some golf

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 2>we're starting to see. Not my wildest dreams did I

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 2>think like twenty odd years later I would have played

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.720
<v Speaker 2>golf with him. I would actually sort of know him

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>to the point where I'm okay just going up to

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:39.359
<v Speaker 2>him saying, Hi, you're right. So yeah, It's just it

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 2>makes all the hitting the balls worthwhile.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 1>But as a golf pervert like I am, Ludwig Oberg

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how good is this kid's golf swing? And

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you've been around the game, you know that there's more

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 1>to the game than just a golf swing. But from

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a technique standpoint, this kid, it is so damn good.

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 2>So good, And when you just love to start your

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 2>career at that point like that, well.

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Last year at this time, I think this is right

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>around the time he turned pro. So the things that

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.839
<v Speaker 1>he's doing, second at the Master's, top ten in.

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>The world, Ryder Cup all I don't know.

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:18.759
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at his golf swings, what are

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the things you like about his move?

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.920
<v Speaker 2>And well, if I'd have had that swing when I started,

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have it. I would have it any balls,

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I think i'd I'd be probably two million balls better off,

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'll probably have a much nicer feeling back, right, And.

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I think the kids got an enormous runway, ye in

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a very long, long runway.

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Any hope he makes the right decisions, because we all

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 2>as golfers, we get to the crossroads sometimes where we're

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>tempted to make a choice and and and change something.

0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Most and nearly all the time, it's to get better,

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 2>isn't it right? And he doesn't need to do that.

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 2>If he can just wait patiently and see what that

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 2>game brings him over a twenty year live spanning golf,

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.800
<v Speaker 2>he'll be quite happy without the end, I'm pretty sure.

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>But he might get impatient and might go, tay, you,

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 2>what I need to be able to do this? I

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 2>need to be able to do that, And those are

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:10.359
<v Speaker 2>things you learned.

0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Climber won a major in the Players in the same

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>year as a fader of the golf ball. That was

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 1>his second major champions So he's got two majors and

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.959
<v Speaker 1>a Players Championship and he tried to draw the golf

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>learn how to draw the golf ball to win it

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 1>a gust.

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:26.759
<v Speaker 2>The problem is when you're playing really good, you think

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you're capable of everything, don't you. You never think you're

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>not going to play bad nah, And you think, well,

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 2>tell you what I can do all this? Alright, I've

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:33.360
<v Speaker 2>got all that ticked off, so I'm going to do

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>this as well. And it's that as well, this shot, yeah,

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and that adding that bit messes up with the stuff

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.799
<v Speaker 2>that you're already good at, right, And that's that's an

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 2>amazing If somebody can stop him doing that, that'll be brilliant,

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:45.760
<v Speaker 2>because he'll be awesome.

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Lastly, the complete one hundred and eighty degree opposite of

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 1>lud big Oberg and the complete one hundred and eighty

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 1>degree opposite of everyone out here.

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Bryson d Chambea love Bryceon, I mean absolutely love him.

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>So what do you like about it? Because here's my

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.399
<v Speaker 1>uncle Billy, my dad's youngest brother. There was a year

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 1>to where when in the heyday, when it's like two thousand,

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, and Tiger and Adam are out

0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.439
<v Speaker 1>at my dad's place in Vegas and they're both hitting balls.

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 1>It's two thousand and two thousand and one, and they

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.359
<v Speaker 1>both look like you can't swing the golf club any better.

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And my dad's youngest brother and uncle Billy said, you know,

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:25.359
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. Two of the greatest ball strikers of all time, Lee,

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Trevino Hailer. When Hale shut took it inside, came over it,

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>hit fades, Trevino wide open, took it outside, dropped it under,

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>hit draws. He's like, everyone is trying to teach, and

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody wants to swing like Tiger and Adam. No one

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>is trying to swing like two or three. Bryson nobody

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>is going to try and teach that or do that. Yeah,

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.360
<v Speaker 1>but what do you like about Bryson's golf swing? But

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:49.439
<v Speaker 1>and then what do you like about Bryson's game?

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember being in Abu Dabbi probably this might be

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 2>when Bryson was still an amateur, when he led the

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Masters at one point, so they the January before all that.

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm hitting balls in Abadabi, just normal hitting balls, young

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>lad hitting balls behind me, And how clear he was

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 2>his machine gun in these three woods. His caddies just

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 2>keeps turning them off right and he's and he's hitting them,

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think I've got relatively keen ear for strike

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 2>after about sort of a dozen of and I'm like,

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 2>here's a missed one. These are all awesome right out

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of the center right and the quick right be happening

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:25.799
<v Speaker 2>so fast it makes you listen. So turn around like

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 2>this dude. He's got the Hogan hat on. Yeah, who's

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:31.399
<v Speaker 2>this dude. He's got his coach with him, Mike Shy,

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and it's.

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Got the weird golf clubs of the grip.

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we just got chatting. And I met him,

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>So I met him a long long time ago, and

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.399
<v Speaker 2>we got chatting and they got a bit of golf

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 2>machine background with Mike Bryson dow a lot of stuff then.

0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 2>But he had a really nice looking swing at that point.

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Really liked it. I mean he's still there right. The

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>golf swing is.

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.839
<v Speaker 1>The golf swing has gotten better over since he won

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 1>it wingfoot. I mean, he's been on live for the

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.239
<v Speaker 1>last two and a half years, and so you know

0:55:58.280 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people going, oh, we haven't seen

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 1>him play. I mean I've I've been to every live event.

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I've watched the maturation of his game.

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>What we're seeing right now is not a surprise. He's

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 2>figured out.

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he went down the rabbit hole of the long

0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:13.800
<v Speaker 1>drive and all of that stuff. He realized that wasn't

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>sustainable and it wasn't manageable.

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 2>No, but he's added something to him and he hasn't

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 2>messed himself well doing it, and he still can hit it. Yeah,

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>three fifty three give and display yesterday it was incredible.

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>But he has some very unique things in his golf swing. Yeah,

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 1>and I think his superpower Rockie is first of all,

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:38.240
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't care what you think. No, in his head,

0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:42.720
<v Speaker 1>what he is doing, he believes. I've asked him before,

0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and my dad said to him once, what's with all

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.480
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, you know, trying to chip with a seven

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 1>iron and stuff like my But in his head, he

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 1>told me, listen, everybody thinks I'm crazy. I'm trying through

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.600
<v Speaker 1>all of this stuff that looks crazy to other people.

0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe this can make the game.

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Simple for me.

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's really horrid for people on the outside to

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 1>look at because all of the crazy, weird.

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Stuff he does.

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 1>But he's like, listen, I'm just trying to make it

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 1>as simple as possible.

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he's done it from a point where he

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 2>was actually really good in the first place too, Right,

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 2>so he's been really brave.

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 1>USM one tournaments, Ryder Cups, and then he goes on

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the long.

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Driver rabbit, tried everything with putting his iron players unique.

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.680
<v Speaker 2>He's driving is now unique. Right one irons now his

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 2>long driver driver that I don't know one else.

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Uses, agrees a loft on his driver rock.

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 2>And she showed it me on Tuesday. He showed me

0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 2>his six arm Tuesday, which actually looked like a short

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 2>three iron to me.

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But and the new irons have bulge and roll, so

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like a driver at the toe they're kind of going

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>away from you. But he in his head, he's like,

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>listen at the speed I'm hitting it. If I hit

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>it off the toe, I need to be able to

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>have equipment that keeps on. Yeah, He's like, that's just

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 1>designed around.

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>On the key parts in this game. I think is

0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>is your determination to to a plan and not have

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.920
<v Speaker 2>people talk you out of it. Right, If you're determined

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 2>that this is what you want to do, and you've

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 2>got a vision for how you see yourself playing a game,

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and you can stick to that path and every day

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>you get slightly closer to it, right, it keeps you

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 2>on the straight and narrow every day. That stops you

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 2>veering off on little tangents that can either derail you

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 2>completely or delay your progress for years. And I remember

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>when I was I was the only man on the

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 2>back of the range with my camera and my tripod,

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm mountain of balls and I'm playing rubbish and

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 2>people are judging what I'm trying to do in my swing,

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and luckily, luckily I stuck to it because I was

0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.560
<v Speaker 2>missing cuts. I was playing terrible, right, but I was

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>sure that if I hit the ball better and more

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.040
<v Speaker 2>reliable and the way you wanted to, and I did it.

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I would enjoy being a pro, I would have. I

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>would enjoy how my game felt. I would I was

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.720
<v Speaker 2>certainly enjoying the grind of trying to do it right.

0:58:57.760 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>That was what That's what got me up every morning,

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 2>right to keep working towards his swing. That I got

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 2>in my head and it was my plan for making

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>me a golf bro right, and thankfully it lasted me

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty years. Bryson does the same thing. He has a plan,

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>he's so determined. Yeah, and he's done it from such

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 2>a really good starting point, right. So he's obviously got

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 2>loads of talent. He's a smart kid, and he's brave

0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>enough to take a punt on what he thinks he's better.

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Hold you now forty seven forty seven And for everyone listening,

0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 1>this the last thing I'll set it because I know

0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got to go. I think you have one of

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the best golf swings I've ever seen, Thank you very

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of golf swings, and I think

0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the way that you swing the golf club is as

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.959
<v Speaker 1>good as it gets. But the last thing I will

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 1>say the hair, Rocky, you have the best hair in

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the game. You've never worn a hat because the hair

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 1>is so good at forty seven. Now the visor the

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>choice to wear the vison now because a couple of

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:57.880
<v Speaker 1>years ago I busted your balls because you had we'd

0:59:57.880 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>like the British and you had like a trill be

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of ha. I said, there's absolutely no way that's

1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:04.440
<v Speaker 1>going on your head, and you're like, I might put

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:04.720
<v Speaker 1>it on.

1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>You didn't put it on all week.

1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 1>If you wore a visor this week best here in

1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the game, talk me through the visor choice.

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.960
<v Speaker 2>The visor's purely for this this temperature, in this sun. Right.

1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I used to be able to do it all day long,

1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 2>sound the rain, just get somburned and just off and

1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.120
<v Speaker 2>not worry about it. But now it just gets you

1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 2>when you get older, don't it. And I feel myself

1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>going a little bit dizzy sometimes, and of course if

1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.560
<v Speaker 1>So forty seven are we looking at Senior Tour?

1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 2>We bet Champs Tour. Earlier we had a little bit

1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of joke because they've got the barber shopping here, aren't we, right,

1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:38.320
<v Speaker 2>And we thought, what about barber? What about a barber

1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:41.800
<v Speaker 2>on a driving range, right, because instead of having to

1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.480
<v Speaker 2>go into town as to get your hair cut. You

1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:46.200
<v Speaker 2>could just go and hit some balls, wait in line,

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:47.880
<v Speaker 2>get your hair done. We're quite cool.

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Don't dodge the question you're thinking about Champs Tour.

1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Champion Store is hard to get on it good, good enough.

1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I would love to play it, but going through the

1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Q school for just a few spots it's a big ask.

1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Last year at the US Open, we were on the

1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.040
<v Speaker 1>putting green and someone was talking about the Champs Tour

1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and DJ was putting and somebody said, DJ, you can

1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:10.560
<v Speaker 1>play the Champs Tour when you're old enough. And he

1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't say anything, and he just looked at all of

1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 1>us and he said, bro, a lot of shit has

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to go wrong in my life for.

1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Me to be Champ Camps Tour.

1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we are going to see you post

1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:27.160
<v Speaker 1>fifty winning golf tournaments on the Champs Tour. That's how good.

1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I think your act is rocky. Great to see you

1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:31.240
<v Speaker 1>this week. I think it's been a hell of a week.

1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's been one of the really cool stories

1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and always good to talk to you.

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, right a little bit, thank you.

1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>So that was Robert rock And, like I said, one

1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of the cool stories to come out of last week.

1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:44.640
<v Speaker 1>As I said earlier, Bryson Deshambeau, he's the twenty twenty

1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:47.280
<v Speaker 1>four US Open champion. I think that's one of the

1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:49.400
<v Speaker 1>best golf tournaments I've seen a long time. It's definitely

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the best majors I've seen in a long time.

1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>It was a tough one for Rory McElroy. And I'm

1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:56.640
<v Speaker 1>a Rory McElroy fan. I think he's one of the

1:01:56.680 --> 1:02:01.040
<v Speaker 1>best in the game. And it's tough, you know, when

1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you're on that side of things. I mean, I've been

1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.720
<v Speaker 1>on that side of things as a coach. I've watched

1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:10.160
<v Speaker 1>players in majors have chances to win and when they don't,

1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's tough. And you can see that Rory's feeling

1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it right now. But what a performance by Bryson Deschambeau.

1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think we are seeing a change in Bryson.

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I think he has matured a lot. But from a

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<v Speaker 1>game standpoint, this is not a surprise to me. I've

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<v Speaker 1>watched Bryson over the last two and a half years.

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched his game mature really over the last year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half. I've seen him play some unbelievable golf

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's a hell of a performance. Two time

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<v Speaker 1>major champion, now two US Opens, and he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a threat now moving forward in all the majors.

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<v Speaker 1>The confidence he's got and the way that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to perform. The shot he hit on eighteen I

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<v Speaker 1>think is under pressure. I think it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best shots I've seen under pressure in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Long, long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way he played down the stretch. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look on the thirteenth hole, Rory makes Berdie, Bryson makes

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<v Speaker 1>bogie on twelve, He's got a two shot lead, and

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<v Speaker 1>from then on in Bryson shoots won over and wins.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's going to be people asking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions about what happened with Rory, and this will

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<v Speaker 1>be a tough one. But what I will say is

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<v Speaker 1>I watched up close in twenty twelve. I was working

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<v Speaker 1>with Ernie Els at the time, and Ernie made a

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<v Speaker 1>lengthy harputt on the eighteenth hole, had a really really

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<v Speaker 1>good final round. I think he shot a couple under.

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<v Speaker 1>But Adam Scott bogied I think four holes coming in

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<v Speaker 1>and it was devastating. It was devastating to watch. It

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<v Speaker 1>was tough for Adam, but he won the Masters the

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<v Speaker 1>following I think the following year, so I think Rory

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<v Speaker 1>will be back. I think he's just too good of

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<v Speaker 1>a player. But yeah, it was it was fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was something that we needed. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson right now is moving the needle. Obviously, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>going to move the needle like Tiger Woods. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think Bryson has superstar status and he's won a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of golf tournaments recently.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he could could easily have won two majors

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<v Speaker 1>this year, finished second at the PGA and now the

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<v Speaker 1>US Open chairman. I think he's going to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the favorites as as we go into the Open Championship,

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<v Speaker 1>the last major of the year. But and here's the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing. You can watch Bryson play. You've always been

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<v Speaker 1>able to watch Bryson play since he made the switch

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<v Speaker 1>to come to live. That's what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to watch Bryson Deschambeau play golf, you

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<v Speaker 1>can watch it. You can watch him play live. You

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<v Speaker 1>can go to live events and watch the US Open

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<v Speaker 1>champion play golf. I think the brand of golf he plays,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the way he plays the game. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the way he has matured, I think the content that

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<v Speaker 1>he is putting out there, he's second to none really

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<v Speaker 1>in the professional game, and I think there are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of players looking at what Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>is doing and saying, Okay, can I do that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Live has allowed Bryson to come out of his shell.

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<v Speaker 1>He loves the team format, he loves the crushers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen a big change in Bryson from the

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<v Speaker 1>player he was when he turned pro.

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<v Speaker 2>He was he was awkward. I think he, you know, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was kind of, you know, the scientist, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>nutty professor. And I really have seen a change in

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<v Speaker 1>him and anybody that thinks this is an act. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of professional athletes, a lot of people in the

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<v Speaker 1>public eye. The person they are away from the golf course,

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, the court, the field, whatever, is different from

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<v Speaker 1>what the public sees. But I believe there's a genuineness

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I think Bryson is really, really smart, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like a lot of people, he is using

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<v Speaker 1>social media to his advantage. Absolutely, I one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>think he's doing that. But show me somebody that's not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do that now. Show me people in the

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<v Speaker 1>public eye that are famous, that are trying to use

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<v Speaker 1>social media for their own gain. Everybody is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. You can monetize social media now and you

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<v Speaker 1>can have an impact. So I'm here for it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here for the Bryson show. He's a hell of a golfer.

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<v Speaker 1>He hit some shots last week that nobody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Is going to hit.

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<v Speaker 1>And his putting is putting's joke right now. His short game,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the short game shots. I mean on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>he hit some short game shots that you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Channel guys are just hoping and the NBC guys,

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<v Speaker 1>they're hoping he doesn't get it up and down, and

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<v Speaker 1>he did, and it was fascinating. Where does y mclroy

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<v Speaker 1>go from here? I think he just goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>being Roy McElroy. He hit the golf ball last week

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<v Speaker 1>is as good as I've seen him hit the golf ball.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't drive the golf ball much better than he

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<v Speaker 1>drove it. Yeah, Okay, he had a couple of bad

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<v Speaker 1>drives coming down the stretch. I mean, Bryson was hitting

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<v Speaker 1>it all over the place and still managed to win. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna hit bad shots, You're gonna make bad swings,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna hit bad drives. But Rory is as good

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<v Speaker 1>as anyone in the game when he's on. He's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those players. I've said it loads of times. When

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<v Speaker 1>he's on, you're gonna make an argument that he's the

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<v Speaker 1>best player in the game, Scotty Scheffler when he's on,

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<v Speaker 1>in the way Scotty Scheffler has been playing, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>best player in the game when he's on. And didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have his best week last week. But the Bryson show

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<v Speaker 1>is real, and I'll keep saying this. Bryson plays on live.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to watch live golf. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to watch the PGA Tour. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you can't be a fan of the PGA Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to watch Bryson d Schambeau play golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you like the way he plays, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you like him as a person and you like all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that he's doing, he plays on live. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where he plays. And if you want to watch him,

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy tickets and go to the live events

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<v Speaker 1>and watch him. You watch it on the CW. You

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<v Speaker 1>can watch it on the app, you can watch it

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<v Speaker 1>on all the platforms that lives on. And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you can't be You can be a Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>D Shambeau fan and you can be a Roy McRoy fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You really can. And I've been saying this for two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years now. You do not have to

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<v Speaker 1>choose between the PGA Tour between Live, between DP World,

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<v Speaker 1>between the Asian Tour, between the Champs Tour, between the

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<v Speaker 1>LPGA Tour.

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<v Speaker 2>You do not have to choose.

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<v Speaker 1>You can watch golf wherever you want to. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>readily available. And I think Bryson is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of where professional golf is right now. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of where professional golf is going. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're now looking at two guys that have gone to

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<v Speaker 1>Live in the last two years that have won major

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<v Speaker 1>championships brooks Keepka, Bryson d Chambeau.

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<v Speaker 2>They play on live.

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<v Speaker 1>You make your own conclusions based off of that, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's where they play. And Roy McElroy plays on the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour, that's where he plays. That's where he chooses

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<v Speaker 1>to play. Bryson chooses to play golf on live, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was a hell of a performance. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with him today and you know, I'm proud

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<v Speaker 1>of him. I'm proud of the person he's become, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a hell of a golfer. Anybody that thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>Bryce it is in the real deal.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's got two major championships now and it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be incredibly interesting to see where his career

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<v Speaker 1>goes from here. I want to thank everyone for listening, rate, review, subscribe,

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<v Speaker 1>to you almost every Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back next week.