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Speaker 1: the Son of Witch podcast. This week's guest. After just

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Speaker 1: what was an amazing US Open with Bryce and d

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Speaker 1: Chambeau as now the twenty twenty four US Open, I

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Speaker 1: caught up with Robert rock I had him on the

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Speaker 1: podcast back in twenty twenty one. The Rocky played last

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Speaker 1: week at the USA. He qualified and it's a great story.

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Speaker 1: He had an almost twenty year career on the DP

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Speaker 1: World Tour twice a winner be Tiger Woods down the

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Speaker 1: Stretch in twenty twelve at the ABADABHSBC Championship, and he

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Speaker 1: but he has one of I mean, it's one of

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Speaker 1: cool stories last week. Didn't make the cut at a

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Speaker 1: I think back in two thousand in one, but obviously

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Speaker 2: I still struck it okay, but I thought, God, that

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Speaker 2: and I hold that pot as well, right, and James

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Speaker 2: No, I think that got me to got me to

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Speaker 2: I need this to be an easy shark. Right. Him

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Speaker 2: I thought, right, driver does get in that, so three

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't have any spots. We were

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Speaker 1: How long was the wait to figure out if you

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Speaker 2: Most of the afternoon I had to do an interview

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Speaker 2: it was like playing qualifiers.

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Speaker 1: And when's the last time you played a full schedule

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Speaker 2: What year? God like fall schedule. I don't actually know.

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Speaker 2: sorts of time. When I was doing yoga, I was

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Speaker 2: taking loads of pills. I was even starting running, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't do that right just to that's great for

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Speaker 2: your back. I remember one tournament I just felt the

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Speaker 2: urge to run down the fairway because I was my

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Speaker 2: hips on my back were just felt so stiff. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like that all the time. Rocket.

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Speaker 1: I feel the urge to run away from tour clars,

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Speaker 1: I feel the urge to run the other way.

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Speaker 2: So I haven't played a lot.

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Speaker 1: So you get here, you get to Pinehurts, and again

443
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Speaker 1: you've qualified for one.

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Speaker 2: That you know is going to be. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is an iconic, it's fiery, it's bouncy.

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Speaker 1: But for your game, you've got to love a place

447
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Speaker 1: like this, because this is a ball striker's paradise.

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Speaker 2: You have to control your absolutely is now I've been

449
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Speaker 2: here and seeing it, it absolutely is. Yeah. And the

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Speaker 2: excitement lasted for about a day for qualifying, and then

451
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Speaker 2: it turned into shit, what have I got myself into here? Right?

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Speaker 2: It would have been hard enough qualifying just for a

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Speaker 2: regular event, thinking I am playing, I must still up

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Speaker 2: for this, And then I thought US Open. Yeah, it's

455
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Speaker 2: like you're throwing yourself back in at the proper deepend

456
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Speaker 2: don't you do? You show up here? When did you

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Speaker 2: get here? It came Monday? Monday. I did loads of

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Speaker 2: loads of practice at home, just trying to build the swing,

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Speaker 2: get it into good or the expectations.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you go into trying to qualify for the US

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Speaker 1: Open with zero expectations. You qualify, then you show up

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Speaker 1: to the US Open. What were the expectations at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the week. Did you think if I can

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Speaker 1: make the cut, it's a good week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to. Like I said at the start,

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Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a twisted experiment to

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Speaker 2: see whether just working on the things that I had

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Speaker 2: done with my swing over the last ten years or so,

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Speaker 2: whether I could just tap back to those quickly enough

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Speaker 2: get the swing looking like it used to look or

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Speaker 2: be a little bit slower, right, and see if those

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Speaker 2: you know, the notes and notes that I would have

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Speaker 2: had from tournaments and my swing thoughts that I relied on, like,

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Speaker 2: would they work two years later? Right? Would they still?

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Speaker 2: Could have still do it right? Could have still hit

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Speaker 2: the ball as well? Shut even part of the first round?

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Speaker 2: They obviously were. That's what I wanted to do, really,

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Speaker 2: was to come and see if I could. I haven't

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Speaker 2: played in front of a lot of people, are they ever? Right?

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Speaker 2: But this is a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, a lot of people, two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand people here this and.

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Speaker 2: It's potentially embarrassing. But the first few days here on

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Speaker 2: the range were great. Got to see a load of

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Speaker 2: people like yourself that I haven't seen in ages, right.

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Speaker 1: And the cool thing was I were lovely to me,

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Speaker 1: and I watched you. I mean you are a golf

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Speaker 1: pervert and a golf nerd like the rest of us

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Speaker 1: that are instructors. I watched you with your all access

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Speaker 1: badge when you weren't actually practicing yourself. You're standing on

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Speaker 1: the range looking at golf swings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Watching the players.

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Speaker 1: seventy the first round. You played fantastic the first round.

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Speaker 2: What was that like? So was it a carryover from

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Speaker 2: the qualifier? Obviously?

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, Rocky. The Walton Heath and this course

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Speaker 1: they're not miles apart in kind of how they're set up.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, driving wise, so.

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Speaker 1: It's very similar because why if you miss a fair

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Speaker 1: way there, you're making X if you're lucky to find it.

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Speaker 1: And and in Walton Heath, I remember the first time

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Speaker 1: I played there. I snapped pooked a T shirt and

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Speaker 1: it's sitting in this ice plant.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Can hit this easy, and I took a swing and

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Speaker 1: thing went sideway. You can get lucky here, Phil talked

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Speaker 1: about I talked about this on on my podcast last week.

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Speaker 1: Phil said that the hard part about this golf course

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Speaker 1: is if you get offline, it baits you into thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can probably get this lie there. He said, You've

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Speaker 1: got to lay up short and you can play this

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Speaker 1: course from the front of these greens. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: play from left, right or over the green.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I made that mistake a couple of times. Friday,

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Speaker 2: but Thursday, when I had some who'd you play with?

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Speaker 2: I played with Neil Shipley, and.

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Speaker 1: I mean Neil Shipley for a college golfer. He played great,

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Speaker 1: played Braided Augusta and he's playing He's played good this week.

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Speaker 2: He's really good. Yeah, he's got good, good all around.

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Speaker 2: Get drove it lovely, putt it nice, seemed to smile player.

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Speaker 2: Played with Nico. He was a good player too. He

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Speaker 2: had a rough start and battle back and played really

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Speaker 2: well Friday. So two nice lads to play with. But

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Speaker 2: I drove it really well on Thursday, right, I didn't

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Speaker 2: wasn't really in any bother I think I had most

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Speaker 2: of fair ways would you have to do around here?

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Speaker 2: Which couldn't have gone better really because my iron play

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Speaker 2: was good. I didn't miss many greens. I think when

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Speaker 2: I missed a green, I was a little bit short

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Speaker 2: and I just put it up, And I think I

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Speaker 2: saved two pars from the bunkers on the right sides,

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Speaker 2: which were easy bunker shots.

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Speaker 1: You were early late or late early early late early late,

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Speaker 1: which was I think the better draw this week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Possibly? Yeah. Playing early was great for me having

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Speaker 2: just got in it because it was a little quieter,

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Speaker 2: It was a little softer.

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Speaker 1: Were as many people down the sides of the fairways'.

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Speaker 2: Like I was being solely judged on every shot, right,

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Speaker 2: but it was it was so draining that first eight.

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it? I loved it. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I came in here, my back was sore when I

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Speaker 2: was finished. My head was hurting from the amount of

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Speaker 2: concentration right, because I hadn't tried that hard at golf

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Speaker 2: probably in nearly ten years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think everyone listening has any real understanding. It's

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Speaker 1: to how mentally taxing majors are. Augusta's mentally taxing in

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Speaker 1: a different way than US Opened. They set these up

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Speaker 1: to be a test of they're testing your game, your technique,

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Speaker 1: but I think what the US Open always tests is

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Speaker 1: your mental strength because the way the USGA likes to

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Speaker 1: set these golf courses up, and especially here at Pinehurst

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Speaker 1: number two ruck these greens can sometimes be forty paces

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Speaker 1: deep and there might be ten paces for them to

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Speaker 1: put pins, So mentally it's very draining.

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Speaker 2: I missed that part. I missed the just to trying

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Speaker 2: to make the right decision right sometimes luckily on the

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Speaker 2: first round, some of the yard is that I had

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Speaker 2: once i'd realized that the ball was going quite far

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Speaker 2: as well Hot County, but the yardage is fitted into

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Speaker 2: me just hitting slightly under like they were at the

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Speaker 2: top end of a lower club. So I'd had hit

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Speaker 2: a lot of shots hard knowing that I didn't think

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Speaker 2: I could get there, certainly wouldn't go over the back,

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Speaker 2: but they might not reach the green. But on the

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Speaker 2: first round I played loads of shots like that and

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Speaker 2: they all they all actually just went that little bit

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Speaker 2: further and made it onto the green right and made

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Speaker 2: it easy. And then in the second round, what'd you

578
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Speaker 2: shoot day two? Nine over nine?

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Speaker 1: And you told me after you came and I saw

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Speaker 1: you after the ground, you said, I honestly didn't see

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Speaker 1: nine over today.

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Speaker 2: And so were you? After shooting even.

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Speaker 1: Poor in a major championship at a US Open on

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Speaker 1: a golf course like this, Rocky, you've had a you

585
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Speaker 1: know the math, You're like, Okay, I shoot anything even

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Speaker 1: maybe even two over the more, I'm yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make the cut. Yeah by miles, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you get ahead of yourself? No? But I felt

589
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Speaker 2: different in what way I know, and it was I

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Speaker 2: wish I didn't. But I was very, very nervous the

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Speaker 2: first day, really really thinking sharp, like I was on edge,

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Speaker 2: and I was really thinking. The nervousness helped you help

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Speaker 2: me better, help me think be Yeah, what the hell happened?

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Speaker 2: On Friday? I warmed up really really well. I hit

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Speaker 2: it lovely on the range, and then the drive down

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Speaker 2: to the tenth didn't really help. A bit of a

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Speaker 2: delay on the.

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Speaker 1: Tee, yeah, because by the time you seized up a

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Speaker 1: little bit you hit here at Pinehurst, the way they've

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Speaker 1: got this golf course routed, the ninth is miles away

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Speaker 1: from the clubhouse, and the driving range here is miles

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Speaker 1: away from the first hall, so you've got to go

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Speaker 1: to the back of the range and then it's probably

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Speaker 1: about a eight to ten twelve minute yeah, drive out

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Speaker 1: to the tenth and then you walk back from the.

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Speaker 2: Tenth, so you nearly go in half an hour before

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Speaker 2: you too.

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Speaker 1: You haven't hit a shot, and everybody in the practice rounds,

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Speaker 1: the two rounds that Brooks and DJ played and started

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Speaker 1: on ten during the practice rounds, they both hit it

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Speaker 1: sideways off the tee because they hadn't hit a ball

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Speaker 1: in thirty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's harder and our back to down that tenth

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Speaker 2: hole and the tenth hall is it's not an easy hole.

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Speaker 1: It's a par five, but it's also not an easy hole.

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Speaker 1: But there's only two part of buyers out here. So

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Speaker 1: as a player, you know five and ten at Plaininghurst

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Speaker 1: number two, there are your only chances to make berdies

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Speaker 1: legit berdie proper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only chance is where you can actually feel

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Speaker 2: late after a good drive. You've just got to end

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Speaker 2: up there. And I didn't play five or ten particularly

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Speaker 2: well this week unfortunately. But ten you need two straight shots.

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Speaker 2: Basically you don't have to flush both shots. But you

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Speaker 2: got them straight and I went down the right, had

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Speaker 2: side both On ten, managed to a lovely shot actually,

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Speaker 2: and got it on the green two parted it and

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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, that's all right, that's all right. I'm

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Speaker 2: off and running. But I wasn't feeling quite the same unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: and then a bad drive off eleven.

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Speaker 1: But you said you were nervous on Thursday and it

632
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Speaker 1: helped you, and you said you felt different on Friday.

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Speaker 2: It was almost like I felt that Thursday had proved

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Speaker 2: to myself that actually I'm still playing all right. Yeah,

635
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Speaker 2: you're still agreed, still playing all right? Right, So I

636
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Speaker 2: should be able to handle this because I've teed off

637
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Speaker 2: on the cup mark on a Friday before and felt

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Speaker 2: nervous all the way from the.

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Speaker 1: Also, another thing that I don't think a lot of

640
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Speaker 1: people listening understand is, regardless of what the tournament is,

641
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Speaker 1: if you don't get off to a good start on Thursday, right,

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Speaker 1: you know all day Friday you are going to be

643
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Speaker 1: right around the cut line, and so you know that

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Speaker 1: any bogie you make takes you one step away from

645
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Speaker 1: the cut and it's stressful because it's hard to free

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Speaker 1: wheel it in that situation. And it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: you're the best player in the world, the number one

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Speaker 1: ranked player in the world, or the three hundredth ranked

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Speaker 1: player in the.

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Speaker 2: World when you're on the cut line. And at a

651
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: lot of.

652
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Tour players their rookie year will always have that I

653
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: didn't get off to a good start on Thursday. So

654
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: it seems like four tournaments in a row now every Friday,

655
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm just struggling to make the cut and I'm on

656
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the cut mark. And that's that's hard from a decision

657
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: making standpoint, but I think it's also hard mentally well.

658
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: And it's hard to swing like that because it's hard to.

659
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: Swing freely knowing that any mistake you make and it

660
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: can get you. I think into that mindset Rocky of

661
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: you're trying not to hit bad shots as opposed to

662
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: trying to hit good shots.

663
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I've spent a lot of time in

664
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Speaker 2: tournaments doing that and sometimes just not hitting a bad

665
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 2: shot is what you have to do, right, And when

666
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 2: you're a little bit younger, you probably play. And I

667
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: was watching Neil Shipley just I think I wish I

668
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: was twenty five playing this round.

669
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Today college golf. Just freewheelly.

670
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: He was enjoying it and he played some smart golf.

671
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: But for those listening that maybe have played some pro

672
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: goal for events with cuts, right, this tournament and this

673
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: course is like playing the last hole when you need

674
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: to make a part to make the court on every

675
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: hole on hole, and it's a difficult hole, right, and

676
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: any mistake you make feels like it's going to send

677
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: you home. Right. So, and I made two early doubles

678
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: on Friday.

679
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: You said that the doubles didn't come from really bad shots,

680
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: and that's the thing I think everybody that's.

681
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have made a slightly poor rouen on

682
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: eleven where I've been hearing a nice little drawer with

683
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: the driver, and I did all of Thursday, drove it lovely.

684
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: And my last little look up when I was setting

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: up over the ball, I caught a glimpse of an

686
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: overhanging tree right, which is coming into that eleventh and

687
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: it is in the way right. But sometimes you hit

688
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: teacherts like you don't notice, and your ball takes off

689
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: and it just misses it, and you think, oh, well,

690
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that. That was pretty close. But I

691
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: got away with that. And then I took one little

692
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: last look and thought that's tight there, and I hit

693
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: it and I pushed it straight at this tree and

694
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: it missed it, but it must have caught some later

695
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: trees and it bounced down into the it missed the

696
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: waist area, and it ended up on the pathway. And

697
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: then I felt like I was a bit of an

698
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: amateur golfer at this point. Right. So I'm walking down

699
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: this pathway to my ball and my ball sitting on

700
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Speaker 2: the path so I thought, I've got a clean light, right,

701
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: so that's something. And all I can see down this

702
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: pathway it's just a straight line through all the pine trees, right,

703
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: and there's this big, well not big, there's this small

704
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: patch of light up in the trees. I'm like, oh,

705
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: that looks good, and that's the only thing you start

706
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: focusing on. I thought, I'm going down there, and I

707
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: thought that'd be stupid. Right, it's the US. I think

708
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: this is not the time to think, you said me

709
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: after two years off right, So immediately start looking left.

710
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, this chip out's I think this chip

711
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: out looks harder. But it's hard not to see the

712
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: nemes glaring at me. But the chip out was off

713
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: of sandy light. And I'm going across the fairway and

714
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: I've got to carry the waist, and I think I've

715
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: got to spin it to make it stop before the

716
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: other bit of waste, because if you.

717
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Hit it too far, you're going to have the exact

718
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: same shot.

719
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought that's a hard shot. I thought,

720
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: which one's harder thing? Pulling across the fairway? I thought

721
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: which one if I messed this chip out? Or if

722
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: I've got two hundred yards for my third out of

723
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: the waist. So that's not looking good and I didn't

724
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: fancy it. And then I looked down. I thought, well,

725
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: if I can get it through that gap, I'm now

726
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: probably only twenty yards away from the green, don't know where,

727
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: but I'm only going to be twenty yards away. I thought,

728
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: if I'm in the waist twenty yards away from the green,

729
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: I could probably get it on the green. So I hear,

730
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: what club did you hit? Seven? Iron?

731
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Speaker 3: Right?

732
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: I needed a six to get on the green, But

733
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: the window for this wasn't wasn't going to be sack.

734
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. So I thought, oh, come on,

735
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: you're right, you're here. You're here to enjoy it as well. Right,

736
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: So I thought, Saturday, let's have a go. And I

737
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: set up over this this boar and I thought, righte,

738
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: deep breath, and let's just give this a crack. And

739
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: some of the spectators just started moving a little bit

740
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 2: further away. I think you should be all right, right,

741
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: but it's them down there that need to worry. And

742
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: I hit this thing and I struck it perfect, and

743
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: it took off. It went straight through the gap and

744
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: hooked through the gap, and I thought, oh my god,

745
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: I've got where murder. I'm on agreen right, But it

746
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: didn't go far enough, missed all the trees. It went

747
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: through like as pure as anything. I thought, Oh, I

748
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: hope somebody's video dictu I was lovely. But it came

749
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: down in the bonker. But on the joint of the bunker,

750
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: between the bunker and the waist down, I weren't really

751
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: sure where I was at, and I didn't strike this

752
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: chip like a little chip or pitch firm enough, finished

753
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: on the front of green and a three points. So

754
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: my best shot turned into a double anyway, right, thought,

755
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: that's welcome, Welcome to the US Welcome to the US Open.

756
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: Yet and then my next double was a really good

757
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: seven eye that landed where I wanted to land. It

758
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: couldn't keep the chip on the green.

759
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: So do you think the difficulty has been around this course?

760
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: And where is the borderline on golf courses like this,

761
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Rocky in your opinion on fair versus not fair? Because

762
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: they are tucking pins here this week in places that

763
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: the only I guess the argument would be, if you

764
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: hit a good shot, you get rewarded, but you can

765
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: hit a good shot here and get screwed. So you

766
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: said to me earlier, you love the golf course, you

767
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: love the setup. But for you as a player, for

768
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: a golf course like this, it happens. I think at

769
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: golf courses like this, and it happens at the Open

770
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Championship when the weather gets bad. Where is the line

771
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: for you where it is fair but not fair?

772
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: I think around the greens it's fair, right, because there's

773
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: always a shot to play. There's always a shot to

774
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: get it on the green, right. The score in this

775
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: environment is almost irrelevant sometimes, So when I missed the

776
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: green on the part three, I actually I went second

777
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: to play. I followed Nico's seven nine. I was in

778
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: two minds whether an eight or seven. He at seven

779
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: on the green about fifteen foot away, thought, right, that's

780
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: a shot. I felt like it exactly the same shot,

781
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: probably landed a yard or two further than his onement

782
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: over the back. My mistake at that point was I

783
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 2: got a nice lie on the back, tried a open

784
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: faced b lood wedge, hopefully with a little bit spin

785
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: on it. I haven't been playing enough to know whether

786
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm really getting these things spinning properly or not. But

787
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: there was a shot there to play, and I hit

788
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: it tiny bit too hard and I probably went a

789
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: little bit too straight. I was aiming right at the

790
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: flag for sure, because I was trying to just get

791
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: it on the green, but I was sort of on

792
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: the boulder side trying to get spin rather than actually

793
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: just dump this on the green and see where it finishes.

794
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: There was certainly a shot to play, and then the

795
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: next shot was apart from the front edge, which was

796
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: easy enough, but I under hit it. So now I've

797
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: got I had eight for a bow with about three

798
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: foot slope swing on it right and a bit a

799
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: lovely ta shot, and I've felt like I've it my

800
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: chip all right. But if you hit it in the

801
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: wrong place, you've got to be smart enough to know

802
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: now's not the time. This is a four right, you're

803
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: on a path three and you've bet a lovely shop.

804
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you need a three right. You need

805
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: a four and you need to not And I think that.

806
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: Is something incredibly powerful for everyone listening that doesn't have

807
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: the skill set of someone like yourself that has had

808
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: a career on on on tour. It's sometimes I keep

809
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: saying this and people that are listening are going to

810
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: get tired of this. The way your score is going

811
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: to get better for the average golfer is to make

812
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: more bogies. It's not to make more birdies. It's not

813
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: to make more pars. The average golfer that is listening

814
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that is just ten to twenty five if you made

815
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: more bogies for the rest of this year, as opposed

816
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: to making doubles, triples, quads.

817
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: Your scores are going to plump it, and your ego

818
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: has got a lot to do with that massively. I'm

819
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: thinking I can hit this spinny chip that I've probably

820
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: done a few times right recently, but my short games

821
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: not in the sort of realms of where maybe Chefflers

822
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: or Jordan Speeds or everyone who's at the top of

823
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: their game right now has got full control of their

824
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: strike and their spin. And I've probably watched that shot

825
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: on TV Friday morning from over the back, seeing somebody

826
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: nip it nice and it checked and then just fed

827
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: down to take it. I can do that. I've done

828
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: it beforpriately. I think I could do that right right now.

829
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: I don't know whether I can do it or not.

830
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: And most of my chips aren't going to come off

831
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: as high spinning as I see them, so I should

832
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: have gone right. Just remember what you do in here

833
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: and just somehow get this on the green.

834
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: And you're in the coaching world now like I am.

835
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: And for everyone listening, you shoot nine over for the tournament.

836
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Missed the cut, yeah, but five over makes the cut.

837
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: The two doubles you make, you make pars there. And

838
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I keep saying this double bogies, big numbers or destructive

839
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 1: and destroy your cord.

840
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: So not that out now, It wasn't you keep the

841
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: doubles off, which is your priority, especially on day one

842
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: and two in this If I don't double bogie a whole,

843
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: I probably well, I'm pretty sure I'd still be playing today,

844
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: And I don't mind if I make double bogies on

845
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday. Right coming where from where I've come from?

846
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: So how do you grade yourself this week? What grade

847
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: would you give yourself? And how did you my first round? Yeah,

848
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: my first round really.

849
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: Is in the first round seventy in a major Pinehurst

850
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: US Open. Does that make you go I want to

851
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: start playing again?

852
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: No, it makes me want to play more majors. It

853
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: doesn't make me want to play normal tournaments. Right, it

854
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: makes me want to I want to test my brain

855
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: making these decisions because regular golf.

856
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: Again, how could they know? The average golfer doesn't realize

857
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: it's watching on TV. The difference between a regular tournament

858
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: of the nine days, This is golf on If there's

859
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: something else other than steroids, this is golf on that.

860
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is testing all your experience everything. You can't

861
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: say get around here. Now everything you know about your

862
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: own game, right, have you got the discipline to just

863
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: say to yourself, I can't do this shop right, but

864
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: I can do that one and that one will get

865
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: me afore and that's all I need here.

866
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: But this is also the equivalent of a fifteen to

867
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: twenty handicapper going out and playing their home course which

868
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: has slow greens that don't have slope in every round

869
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: is a major for you.

870
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: It really is.

871
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: And if you can think about it like that and say, okay,

872
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: today is a major. If I go out and don't

873
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: make mental mistakes today, I'm going to make some technique mistakes.

874
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: Everybody does. Yeh.

875
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: The best players in the worm Bryson d Chambeau Saturday

876
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: made a double coming.

877
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: In nothing as well.

878
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: But every round of golf, the everyday golfer that's listening

879
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to the pod, it is a major. Treat it like

880
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: that and just say listen, think well, manage your game

881
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: with the skill set that you've got.

882
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: You've got, yeah, because you can ease he watch somebody

883
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: tea off and go oh that drive looks nice. I'm

884
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: going to do that.

885
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: But what's the grade do you give yourself this week?

886
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: I think my first round was certainly ride up there

887
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: as a plus. Yeah, I was really pleased with that.

888
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: I could have shot under par and I got to

889
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: the last hole with a pot for a birdie, and

890
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: I thought, well, underpart would have got me in the

891
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: top ten. And then I thought, well, don't be too greedy,

892
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: too greedy here, right? What am I going to feel

893
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: more pissed off at? Right? Am I going to feel

894
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: pissed off at one over? Or I'm going to be

895
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: super excited at one under? And I thought, I'll tell

896
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: you what, the one over was going to hurt more? Right,

897
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: So I just lagged it off and thought, levels levels

898
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: a great day out there, right, And I was just

899
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: so relieved that I managed to get round okay with

900
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: very little prep. Right, I hadn't and even played and

901
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: even played an eighteen old practice round basically so to

902
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: battle my way round with. I think I had my

903
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: fullest amount of energy on that first day, and I

904
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: might have been lacking a little bit second date. So

905
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm disappointing myself that I made the wrong choices. Friday

906
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: a chance to had a chance to make the cook

907
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: because I was five over for the first nine and

908
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: then I played the first four really really well, hit

909
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: some great shots and a thinner pitching edge on the

910
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: fifth over the green, which I mean, it's just such

911
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: a standard shot, right. I wasn't even trying to do

912
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: anything special with it. I was trying to hit it

913
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit harder to make sure it got there.

914
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: But I was trying to play the shorter club and

915
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: not go over the back of thind it. I thought,

916
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: may you come all the way to the US open

917
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: your thinner pitchingmage, I when that's pathetic, right? So I

918
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: boge you that, and that's what made me chase on

919
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: the last few holes. Unfortunately, I think I could have

920
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: coasted it in, but you never knowd I could have

921
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: three pointed from nowhere. But I got to the same

922
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: position as Francesco did on the night needing hole in

923
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: one to make the coup, and my my seven, I

924
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: landed about two yards left a where his did and

925
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: I made a fire.

926
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, Rockie, let's talk about the golf swing I

927
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier in Tiger Woods.

928
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Brad Faxon stopped recording video your golf swing.

929
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: So many players were looking at your golf swing. I mean,

930
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: are you aware of the golf swing that you have,

931
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: you must be aware of it. I mean, you were

932
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: as close to a lot of people's idea of perfection

933
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: with the way that you move the golf club. But

934
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I know you're as critical as all golfers are of their.

935
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Own move.

936
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: How did you go about getting the golf swing that

937
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: you have? If anybody listening hasn't seen you hit a

938
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: golf ball, you can find it online.

939
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: Go look at it.

940
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: It is as close to aesthetically perfect as possible.

941
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: But how did you come about that?

942
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: And what are the things that you work on that

943
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you think make your swing good? And what are some

944
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: things that you think make golf swings good?

945
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: Right?

946
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I think it's important to know this isn't

947
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: my golf swing, right, my golf swing that I started with,

948
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: it might have looked okay, sort of tempo wise, but

949
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: when you started, yeah, and me, when I turned pro,

950
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. It didn't feel right to me.

951
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: It didn't feel like a swing. It felt like a

952
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: bit of a hit. It felt like a decent backswing,

953
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: but I felt like my downswing just wasn't didn't feel easy.

954
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: And when I watched some really good pros that I

955
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: admired when I was younger, all of them, basically, whether

956
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: it be Sevy Faldo, Nick Price, Tiger Hogan, snead on

957
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: the endless list of people to look at, isn't there?

958
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: I think mine doesn't feel like that on the way down.

959
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: Feels all right going back, but it doesn't feel right

960
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: coming down. It feels like something's not right. So I

961
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: set about in a pretty determined and relentless way of

962
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: trying to change that. Rather than actually trying to be

963
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: super competitive in saying I just need what I need

964
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: to do to win tournaments or play good, that just

965
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: became my obsession. So I've got to make this feel

966
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: better for me because that's what I want to do.

967
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: And I wasn't a tournament pro at that time, right,

968
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: I was just a local club pro. So I just

969
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: chipped away at that day by day, finally got a

970
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: picture in my head of what I wanted mustling to

971
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: look like, which was what which is pretty much what

972
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: it looks like now.

973
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, you have a My daughter just

974
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: graduated from Dartmouth and Roger Federer gave the commencement speech,

975
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: and it was fascinating. He said, everybody looked at my

976
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: game and says it was effortless. But he said nothing

977
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: was effortless, every shot, nothing was effortless. He said everything

978
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I did was my team, myself. There was work, there

979
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: was purpose and stuff. So when we look at your

980
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: golf swing, it seems very unencumbered by lack of excess movement.

981
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: That's basically what I wanted to do. I wanted to

982
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: to rip out all the bits that I didn't feel necessary.

983
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: They didn't give me that, you didn't need, I didn't need.

984
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't need that. I didn't like trying

985
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: to repeat that, things that didn't make any sense to him,

986
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: didn't have any logic to it, right. I just wanted

987
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: to rip all of that out and see what I

988
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: ended up with, basically, which would be in essence, a

989
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: simple turn and minimal Yeah, and I suppose it all

990
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: balls down for me that I think the turn in

991
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: the swing is quite straightforward, right, once you've got an

992
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: idea of you're trying to turn on a slight tilted

993
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: angle with your shoulders and things heading down towards the

994
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: ball without too much shift one way or another. But

995
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: obviously I don't try and stay perfectly still. I like

996
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: my head to move from side to side a little

997
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: bit and knowing when when it's okay to do that.

998
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: Then it's pretty much all about how your right arm

999
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 2: folds on the way back right. So the left arm.

1000
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: If you're going to accept that your left arm's going

1001
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: to stay pretty straight, it hasn't got to do anything.

1002
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: So everything else is the right arm. So if you

1003
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: fold the right arm in order, and you've trained yourself

1004
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: to keep your turn on a thick sort of axis,

1005
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: then you've got to got to bend your right arm

1006
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: and straighten it at the right time, in the right

1007
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: order right.

1008
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: Because you teach now as well. I think what you're

1009
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: saying is, I think the average golfer has so much

1010
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: much excess movement, and I think that movement Rockie comes

1011
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: because we're static. I gave a lesson once and it's

1012
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: something that's always stuck with me. I gave a lesson

1013
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: once to a guy that had sold his semi conductor

1014
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: company to the US government for a gajillion dollars, and

1015
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: he wanted to learn how to play golf. And when

1016
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: I tell you, this guy had no talent, he had

1017
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: no talent. He could be one of the most unathletic

1018
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: human beings I've ever met, So trying to teach him

1019
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: to play, even swing a golf club was very difficult.

1020
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: But he said something in a break where he was

1021
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: putting more band aids on his hands for the blisters

1022
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: that has stuck with you. It was twenty years ago.

1023
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: He said.

1024
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: The hardest part about golf for me is I'm starting

1025
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: at zero energy. And I just went, Yeah, we put

1026
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: you in a position.

1027
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: We tell you there's no other sport to generate.

1028
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: Tennis Tennis, you're serving, but you're serving because you're trying

1029
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: to make the other player move as a returner of

1030
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: SERVI you're trying to guess where they're going. Yeah, Cricket,

1031
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: you're standing there, you don't know were the balls coming, baseball, whatever.

1032
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: That golf is.

1033
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: We put you in a static position, and I think

1034
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: in an effort to get power. So many golfers move

1035
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: in an effort to try and get power. And like

1036
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: you said, it really is can your golf swing For

1037
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: people that watch it looks so simple, but you're trying

1038
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: to make it simple.

1039
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to. I don't feel like I'm anyway

1040
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: a sort of talented or athletic sort of person. I've

1041
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: got lots of evidence in other sports to suggest I'm

1042
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: no good at stuff. Right. So one of my I

1043
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: guess key beliefs was that can I build a swing

1044
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: that makes me all right at this right without relying

1045
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: on any sort of talent I might not have? Right?

1046
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: So if I can build a swing that it's a

1047
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: ball in a direction quite reliably, then that's in one

1048
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: part and it takes heedable movement. Yeah, And can I

1049
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: understand it? Can I keep doing it? Can I learn

1050
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: when it falls apart on me? And then the other

1051
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: bits for golf, like you're chipping and you're putting in

1052
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: your Bonker shots. That for me is where there's no

1053
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: avoiding a bit of talent, Right. You need to be

1054
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: able to see these things.

1055
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: Your technique will get you to a certain point. Yeah,

1056
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: but to become Sevy Patrick read exactly these Shane.

1057
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: Lowry, I don't see it.

1058
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: The magicians and that that is the next level.

1059
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 2: That's the next level onwards. And I think when people

1060
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: ask me about talent in sport, I think you've only

1061
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: figured that out at the end. Right, So I'm pretty

1062
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: sure are it more balls than most? Right? Obviously, There'll

1063
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: be some that have it more than me, but not many.

1064
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: But the frustrating part is when you get to the end,

1065
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: you know I can't have done much more, and then

1066
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: you look at people like Shane and Rory and you think,

1067
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, no matter what I did right,

1068
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: my car just wasn't fast. They could have had two

1069
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: years off like me and still beat me. Right. That's annoying, right,

1070
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: But actually talent isn't it.

1071
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: But you've got Tiger Woods who a lot of people.

1072
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Obviously you know there's been a bunch of it. But

1073
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: the two main areas of Tiger's dominance were when he

1074
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: worked with my father and he worked with Hank Haney.

1075
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: I think Hank gets maligned a lot because everybody likes

1076
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: aesthetically maybe the golf swing that Tiger had with my

1077
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: dad because of the positions, but the win rate and

1078
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: the majors, the golf swing that Tiger built with Hank

1079
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: Haney was as good, if not better. I'm biased because

1080
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: when I look at Tiger's golf swing, I remember the

1081
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: glory years that was kind of the model of the

1082
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: Adam Stott model. When Tiger Woods, who's in my opinion,

1083
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up in the Jack Nichols hera. But

1084
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods tells his son he's got the greatest

1085
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: swing in the game, does that register to you, Rocky?

1086
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Does that make you go, that's fucking pretty cool?

1087
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: Do you go? No?

1088
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: No, no, But you have to when somebody like that

1089
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: says something, there has to be in an acknowledgment, Rocky

1090
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: in your own head, in a quiet moment when you're

1091
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: by yourself, to say to yourself, the goat just told

1092
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: me that my golf swing is the best he's ever seen.

1093
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: That must mean something.

1094
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just lovely in there, because.

1095
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: For everyone listening, Tiger does not throw those bouquets out

1096
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: at all. He spends the majority of his career telling

1097
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: everybody they're no good. So when I actually heard that,

1098
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: I watched your reaction. You took it well, you blew

1099
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: it off. But that has to mean some. Like Tiger

1100
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: has said to me, you know, I grew up with

1101
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: I watched him. I videoed the first golf lesson he

1102
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: had with my dad. I've known him a long time

1103
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: and I'm by no means close to him.

1104
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: But every now and.

1105
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Again, over the last ten years, he has said to me, Hey,

1106
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: good job with DJ, good job with Brooks. When he

1107
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: says that I do the same thing as you, I

1108
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: blow it off and say thanks man.

1109
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: You know they're great players stuff. But in quiet.

1110
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: Moments by myself, I have said to myself, it makes

1111
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: me feel like I made it when Tiger.

1112
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: If Tiger says something to you about or Tiger says

1113
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: than about anyone, Right, he's a man, isn't he He's

1114
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: a man. So the fact that Tiger actually even knows

1115
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: who I am.

1116
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: Right, well, you smoked his as said an album, which

1117
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often.

1118
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: No, But I'm more than happy that I can remember

1119
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 2: being an assistant pro watching him when that first Masters

1120
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: sat in the was actually in the bar in the clubhouse,

1121
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: thinking wow, look at this dude. This is some golf

1122
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: we're starting to see. Not my wildest dreams did I

1123
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: think like twenty odd years later I would have played

1124
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: golf with him. I would actually sort of know him

1125
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: to the point where I'm okay just going up to

1126
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: him saying, Hi, you're right. So yeah, It's just it

1127
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: makes all the hitting the balls worthwhile.

1128
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: But as a golf pervert like I am, Ludwig Oberg

1129
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, how good is this kid's golf swing? And

1130
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: you've been around the game, you know that there's more

1131
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: to the game than just a golf swing. But from

1132
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: a technique standpoint, this kid, it is so damn good.

1133
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: So good, And when you just love to start your

1134
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: career at that point like that, well.

1135
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: Last year at this time, I think this is right

1136
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: around the time he turned pro. So the things that

1137
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: he's doing, second at the Master's, top ten in.

1138
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: The world, Ryder Cup all I don't know.

1139
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: But when you look at his golf swings, what are

1140
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: the things you like about his move?

1141
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: And well, if I'd have had that swing when I started,

1142
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have it. I would have it any balls,

1143
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: I think i'd I'd be probably two million balls better off,

1144
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: and I'll probably have a much nicer feeling back, right, And.

1145
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I think the kids got an enormous runway, ye in

1146
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: a very long, long runway.

1147
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: Any hope he makes the right decisions, because we all

1148
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: as golfers, we get to the crossroads sometimes where we're

1149
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: tempted to make a choice and and and change something.

1150
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Most and nearly all the time, it's to get better,

1151
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: isn't it right? And he doesn't need to do that.

1152
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: If he can just wait patiently and see what that

1153
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: game brings him over a twenty year live spanning golf,

1154
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: he'll be quite happy without the end, I'm pretty sure.

1155
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: But he might get impatient and might go, tay, you,

1156
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: what I need to be able to do this? I

1157
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: need to be able to do that, And those are

1158
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: things you learned.

1159
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: Climber won a major in the Players in the same

1160
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: year as a fader of the golf ball. That was

1161
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: his second major champions So he's got two majors and

1162
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: a Players Championship and he tried to draw the golf

1163
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: learn how to draw the golf ball to win it

1164
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: a gust.

1165
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: The problem is when you're playing really good, you think

1166
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: you're capable of everything, don't you. You never think you're

1167
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: not going to play bad nah, And you think, well,

1168
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: tell you what I can do all this? Alright, I've

1169
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: got all that ticked off, so I'm going to do

1170
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: this as well. And it's that as well, this shot, yeah,

1171
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: and that adding that bit messes up with the stuff

1172
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: that you're already good at, right, And that's that's an

1173
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: amazing If somebody can stop him doing that, that'll be brilliant,

1174
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: because he'll be awesome.

1175
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Lastly, the complete one hundred and eighty degree opposite of

1176
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: lud big Oberg and the complete one hundred and eighty

1177
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: degree opposite of everyone out here.

1178
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: Bryson d Chambea love Bryceon, I mean absolutely love him.

1179
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: So what do you like about it? Because here's my

1180
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: uncle Billy, my dad's youngest brother. There was a year

1181
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: to where when in the heyday, when it's like two thousand,

1182
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and Tiger and Adam are out

1183
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: at my dad's place in Vegas and they're both hitting balls.

1184
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and two thousand and one, and they

1185
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: both look like you can't swing the golf club any better.

1186
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: And my dad's youngest brother and uncle Billy said, you know,

1187
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Two of the greatest ball strikers of all time, Lee,

1188
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Trevino Hailer. When Hale shut took it inside, came over it,

1189
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: hit fades, Trevino wide open, took it outside, dropped it under,

1190
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: hit draws. He's like, everyone is trying to teach, and

1191
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: everybody wants to swing like Tiger and Adam. No one

1192
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: is trying to swing like two or three. Bryson nobody

1193
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: is going to try and teach that or do that. Yeah,

1194
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: but what do you like about Bryson's golf swing? But

1195
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: and then what do you like about Bryson's game?

1196
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: I remember being in Abu Dabbi probably this might be

1197
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: when Bryson was still an amateur, when he led the

1198
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: Masters at one point, so they the January before all that.

1199
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm hitting balls in Abadabi, just normal hitting balls, young

1200
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: lad hitting balls behind me, And how clear he was

1201
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: his machine gun in these three woods. His caddies just

1202
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: keeps turning them off right and he's and he's hitting them,

1203
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: and I think I've got relatively keen ear for strike

1204
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: after about sort of a dozen of and I'm like,

1205
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: here's a missed one. These are all awesome right out

1206
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: of the center right and the quick right be happening

1207
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: so fast it makes you listen. So turn around like

1208
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: this dude. He's got the Hogan hat on. Yeah, who's

1209
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: this dude. He's got his coach with him, Mike Shy,

1210
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 2: and it's.

1211
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: Got the weird golf clubs of the grip.

1212
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we just got chatting. And I met him,

1213
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: So I met him a long long time ago, and

1214
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: we got chatting and they got a bit of golf

1215
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: machine background with Mike Bryson dow a lot of stuff then.

1216
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: But he had a really nice looking swing at that point.

1217
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: Really liked it. I mean he's still there right. The

1218
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: golf swing is.

1219
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: The golf swing has gotten better over since he won

1220
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: it wingfoot. I mean, he's been on live for the

1221
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: last two and a half years, and so you know

1222
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people going, oh, we haven't seen

1223
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: him play. I mean I've I've been to every live event.

1224
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: I've watched the maturation of his game.

1225
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: What we're seeing right now is not a surprise. He's

1226
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: figured out.

1227
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went down the rabbit hole of the long

1228
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: drive and all of that stuff. He realized that wasn't

1229
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: sustainable and it wasn't manageable.

1230
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: No, but he's added something to him and he hasn't

1231
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: messed himself well doing it, and he still can hit it. Yeah,

1232
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: three fifty three give and display yesterday it was incredible.

1233
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: But he has some very unique things in his golf swing. Yeah,

1234
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: and I think his superpower Rockie is first of all,

1235
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't care what you think. No, in his head,

1236
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: what he is doing, he believes. I've asked him before,

1237
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: and my dad said to him once, what's with all

1238
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, trying to chip with a seven

1239
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: iron and stuff like my But in his head, he

1240
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: told me, listen, everybody thinks I'm crazy. I'm trying through

1241
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: all of this stuff that looks crazy to other people.

1242
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: I believe this can make the game.

1243
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: Simple for me.

1244
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: And that's really horrid for people on the outside to

1245
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: look at because all of the crazy, weird.

1246
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: Stuff he does.

1247
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: But he's like, listen, I'm just trying to make it

1248
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: as simple as possible.

1249
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's done it from a point where he

1250
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: was actually really good in the first place too, Right,

1251
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: so he's been really brave.

1252
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: USM one tournaments, Ryder Cups, and then he goes on

1253
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: the long.

1254
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: Driver rabbit, tried everything with putting his iron players unique.

1255
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: He's driving is now unique. Right one irons now his

1256
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: long driver driver that I don't know one else.

1257
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Uses, agrees a loft on his driver rock.

1258
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: And she showed it me on Tuesday. He showed me

1259
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: his six arm Tuesday, which actually looked like a short

1260
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: three iron to me.

1261
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: But and the new irons have bulge and roll, so

1262
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: like a driver at the toe they're kind of going

1263
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: away from you. But he in his head, he's like,

1264
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: listen at the speed I'm hitting it. If I hit

1265
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: it off the toe, I need to be able to

1266
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: have equipment that keeps on. Yeah, He's like, that's just

1267
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: designed around.

1268
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: On the key parts in this game. I think is

1269
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: is your determination to to a plan and not have

1270
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: people talk you out of it. Right, If you're determined

1271
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: that this is what you want to do, and you've

1272
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: got a vision for how you see yourself playing a game,

1273
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: and you can stick to that path and every day

1274
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: you get slightly closer to it, right, it keeps you

1275
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: on the straight and narrow every day. That stops you

1276
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: veering off on little tangents that can either derail you

1277
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: completely or delay your progress for years. And I remember

1278
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: when I was I was the only man on the

1279
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: back of the range with my camera and my tripod,

1280
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: and I'm mountain of balls and I'm playing rubbish and

1281
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: people are judging what I'm trying to do in my swing,

1282
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: and luckily, luckily I stuck to it because I was

1283
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: missing cuts. I was playing terrible, right, but I was

1284
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: sure that if I hit the ball better and more

1285
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: reliable and the way you wanted to, and I did it.

1286
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: I would enjoy being a pro, I would have. I

1287
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: would enjoy how my game felt. I would I was

1288
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: certainly enjoying the grind of trying to do it right.

1289
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: That was what That's what got me up every morning,

1290
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: right to keep working towards his swing. That I got

1291
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: in my head and it was my plan for making

1292
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: me a golf bro right, and thankfully it lasted me

1293
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: twenty years. Bryson does the same thing. He has a plan,

1294
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: he's so determined. Yeah, and he's done it from such

1295
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: a really good starting point, right. So he's obviously got

1296
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: loads of talent. He's a smart kid, and he's brave

1297
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: enough to take a punt on what he thinks he's better.

1298
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: Hold you now forty seven forty seven And for everyone listening,

1299
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: this the last thing I'll set it because I know

1300
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: you've got to go. I think you have one of

1301
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: the best golf swings I've ever seen, Thank you very

1302
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of golf swings, and I think

1303
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: the way that you swing the golf club is as

1304
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 1: good as it gets. But the last thing I will

1305
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: say the hair, Rocky, you have the best hair in

1306
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: the game. You've never worn a hat because the hair

1307
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: is so good at forty seven. Now the visor the

1308
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: choice to wear the vison now because a couple of

1309
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: years ago I busted your balls because you had we'd

1310
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: like the British and you had like a trill be

1311
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of ha. I said, there's absolutely no way that's

1312
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: going on your head, and you're like, I might put

1313
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: it on.

1314
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: You didn't put it on all week.

1315
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: If you wore a visor this week best here in

1316
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: the game, talk me through the visor choice.

1317
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: The visor's purely for this this temperature, in this sun. Right.

1318
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: I used to be able to do it all day long,

1319
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: sound the rain, just get somburned and just off and

1320
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: not worry about it. But now it just gets you

1321
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: when you get older, don't it. And I feel myself

1322
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: going a little bit dizzy sometimes, and of course if

1323
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: I don't.

1324
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: So forty seven are we looking at Senior Tour?

1325
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: We bet Champs Tour. Earlier we had a little bit

1326
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: of joke because they've got the barber shopping here, aren't we, right,

1327
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: And we thought, what about barber? What about a barber

1328
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: on a driving range, right, because instead of having to

1329
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: go into town as to get your hair cut. You

1330
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: could just go and hit some balls, wait in line,

1331
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: get your hair done. We're quite cool.

1332
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: Don't dodge the question you're thinking about Champs Tour.

1333
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: Champion Store is hard to get on it good, good enough.

1334
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: I would love to play it, but going through the

1335
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: Q school for just a few spots it's a big ask.

1336
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: Last year at the US Open, we were on the

1337
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: putting green and someone was talking about the Champs Tour

1338
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: and DJ was putting and somebody said, DJ, you can

1339
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: play the Champs Tour when you're old enough. And he

1340
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, and he just looked at all of

1341
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: us and he said, bro, a lot of shit has

1342
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: to go wrong in my life for.

1343
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: Me to be Champ Camps Tour.

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01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we are going to see you post

1345
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: fifty winning golf tournaments on the Champs Tour. That's how good.

1346
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: I think your act is rocky. Great to see you

1347
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: this week. I think it's been a hell of a week.

1348
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's been one of the really cool stories

1349
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: and always good to talk to you.

1350
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, right a little bit, thank you.

1351
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: So that was Robert rock And, like I said, one

1352
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: of the cool stories to come out of last week.

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01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, Bryson Deshambeau, he's the twenty twenty

1354
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: four US Open champion. I think that's one of the

1355
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: best golf tournaments I've seen a long time. It's definitely

1356
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: one of the best majors I've seen in a long time.

1357
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: It was a tough one for Rory McElroy. And I'm

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: a Rory McElroy fan. I think he's one of the

1359
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: best in the game. And it's tough, you know, when

1360
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: you're on that side of things. I mean, I've been

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01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: on that side of things as a coach. I've watched

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: players in majors have chances to win and when they don't,

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01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. And you can see that Rory's feeling

1364
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: it right now. But what a performance by Bryson Deschambeau.

1365
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: And I think we are seeing a change in Bryson.

1366
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: I think he has matured a lot. But from a

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01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: game standpoint, this is not a surprise to me. I've

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01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: watched Bryson over the last two and a half years.

1369
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: I've watched his game mature really over the last year

1370
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Speaker 1: and a half. I've seen him play some unbelievable golf

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a hell of a performance. Two time

1372
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: major champion, now two US Opens, and he's going to

1373
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: be a threat now moving forward in all the majors.

1374
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: The confidence he's got and the way that he was

1375
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: able to perform. The shot he hit on eighteen I

1376
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: think is under pressure. I think it's one of the

1377
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: best shots I've seen under pressure in a.

1378
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: Long, long time.

1379
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: And the way he played down the stretch. I mean,

1380
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: look on the thirteenth hole, Rory makes Berdie, Bryson makes

1381
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: bogie on twelve, He's got a two shot lead, and

1382
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: from then on in Bryson shoots won over and wins.

1383
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's going to be people asking a lot

1384
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: of questions about what happened with Rory, and this will

1385
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: be a tough one. But what I will say is

1386
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: I watched up close in twenty twelve. I was working

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: with Ernie Els at the time, and Ernie made a

1388
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: lengthy harputt on the eighteenth hole, had a really really

1389
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: good final round. I think he shot a couple under.

1390
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: But Adam Scott bogied I think four holes coming in

1391
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: and it was devastating. It was devastating to watch. It

1392
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: was tough for Adam, but he won the Masters the

1393
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: following I think the following year, so I think Rory

1394
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: will be back. I think he's just too good of

1395
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: a player. But yeah, it was it was fun to watch.

1396
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: I think it was something that we needed. I think

1397
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: Bryson right now is moving the needle. Obviously, no one's

1398
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: going to move the needle like Tiger Woods. But I

1399
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: think Bryson has superstar status and he's won a lot

1400
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: of golf tournaments recently.

1401
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: He had a chance.

1402
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he could could easily have won two majors

1403
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: this year, finished second at the PGA and now the

1404
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: US Open chairman. I think he's going to be one

1405
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: of the favorites as as we go into the Open Championship,

1406
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: the last major of the year. But and here's the

1407
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: other thing. You can watch Bryson play. You've always been

1408
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: able to watch Bryson play since he made the switch

1409
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: to come to live. That's what you want to do.

1410
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: If you want to watch Bryson Deschambeau play golf, you

1411
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: can watch it. You can watch him play live. You

1412
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: can go to live events and watch the US Open

1413
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: champion play golf. I think the brand of golf he plays,

1414
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: I think the way he plays the game. I think

1415
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: the way he has matured, I think the content that

1416
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: he is putting out there, he's second to none really

1417
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: in the professional game, and I think there are going

1418
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: to be a lot of players looking at what Bryson

1419
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: is doing and saying, Okay, can I do that. I

1420
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: think Live has allowed Bryson to come out of his shell.

1421
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: He loves the team format, he loves the crushers, and

1422
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: I have seen a big change in Bryson from the

1423
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: player he was when he turned pro.

1424
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: He was he was awkward. I think he, you know, it.

1425
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: Was kind of, you know, the scientist, kind of a

1426
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: nutty professor. And I really have seen a change in

1427
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: him and anybody that thinks this is an act. A

1428
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: lot of professional athletes, a lot of people in the

1429
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: public eye. The person they are away from the golf course,

1430
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: the stage, the court, the field, whatever, is different from

1431
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: what the public sees. But I believe there's a genuineness

1432
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: to it. I think Bryson is really, really smart, and

1433
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: I think, like a lot of people, he is using

1434
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: social media to his advantage. Absolutely, I one hundred percent

1435
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: think he's doing that. But show me somebody that's not

1436
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: trying to do that now. Show me people in the

1437
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: public eye that are famous, that are trying to use

1438
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: social media for their own gain. Everybody is trying to

1439
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: do that. You can monetize social media now and you

1440
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: can have an impact. So I'm here for it. I'm

1441
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: here for the Bryson show. He's a hell of a golfer.

1442
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: He hit some shots last week that nobody else.

1443
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: Is going to hit.

1444
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: And his putting is putting's joke right now. His short game,

1445
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: some of the short game shots. I mean on Sunday,

1446
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: he hit some short game shots that you know, the

1447
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: Golf Channel guys are just hoping and the NBC guys,

1448
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: they're hoping he doesn't get it up and down, and

1449
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: he did, and it was fascinating. Where does y mclroy

1450
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: go from here? I think he just goes back to

1451
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: being Roy McElroy. He hit the golf ball last week

1452
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: is as good as I've seen him hit the golf ball.

1453
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: You can't drive the golf ball much better than he

1454
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: drove it. Yeah, Okay, he had a couple of bad

1455
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: drives coming down the stretch. I mean, Bryson was hitting

1456
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: it all over the place and still managed to win. Right,

1457
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna hit bad shots, You're gonna make bad swings,

1458
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit bad drives. But Rory is as good

1459
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: as anyone in the game when he's on. He's one

1460
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: of those players. I've said it loads of times. When

1461
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: he's on, you're gonna make an argument that he's the

1462
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: best player in the game, Scotty Scheffler when he's on,

1463
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: in the way Scotty Scheffler has been playing, he's the

1464
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: best player in the game when he's on. And didn't

1465
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: have his best week last week. But the Bryson show

1466
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: is real, and I'll keep saying this. Bryson plays on live.

1467
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: If you want to watch live golf. It doesn't mean

1468
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: that you don't have to watch the PGA Tour. Doesn't

1469
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: mean that you can't be a fan of the PGA Tour.

1470
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: If you want to watch Bryson d Schambeau play golf,

1471
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: and if you like the way he plays, and if

1472
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: you like him as a person and you like all

1473
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: the things that he's doing, he plays on live. That's

1474
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: where he plays. And if you want to watch him,

1475
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: you can buy tickets and go to the live events

1476
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: and watch him. You watch it on the CW. You

1477
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: can watch it on the app, you can watch it

1478
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: on all the platforms that lives on. And it doesn't

1479
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: mean that you can't be You can be a Bryson

1480
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: D Shambeau fan and you can be a Roy McRoy fan.

1481
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: You really can. And I've been saying this for two

1482
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: and a half years now. You do not have to

1483
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: choose between the PGA Tour between Live, between DP World,

1484
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: between the Asian Tour, between the Champs Tour, between the

1485
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: LPGA Tour.

1486
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: You do not have to choose.

1487
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: You can watch golf wherever you want to. It's all

1488
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: readily available. And I think Bryson is a big part

1489
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: of where professional golf is right now. I think he's

1490
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: a big part of where professional golf is going. And

1491
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: you're now looking at two guys that have gone to

1492
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: Live in the last two years that have won major

1493
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: championships brooks Keepka, Bryson d Chambeau.

1494
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: They play on live.

1495
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: You make your own conclusions based off of that, but

1496
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: that's where they play. And Roy McElroy plays on the

1497
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, that's where he plays. That's where he chooses

1498
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: to play. Bryson chooses to play golf on live, but

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Speaker 1: it was a hell of a performance. I got to

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Speaker 1: catch up with him today and you know, I'm proud

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Speaker 1: of him. I'm proud of the person he's become, and

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Speaker 1: he's a hell of a golfer. Anybody that thinks that

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Speaker 1: Bryce it is in the real deal.

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Speaker 2: He is the real deal.

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Speaker 1: And he's got two major championships now and it is

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Speaker 1: going to be incredibly interesting to see where his career

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Speaker 1: goes from here. I want to thank everyone for listening, rate, review, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Son of a Butch comes

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Speaker 1: to you almost every Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back next week.