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Speaker 1: They're bringing up these eyewitnesses again, what did they see?

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Speaker 2: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Laura Engel is one of those folks boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: She and I agree one hundred percent that you gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Seventy two hours ago, she was standing in the quote

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Speaker 1: That's about it. That's the gold standard. Laura started out

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Speaker 2: Laura Ingle, thank you for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say I appreciate you not

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Speaker 3: Hi, Cheryl, thank you so much. That's a very nice

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Speaker 1: Well it's heartfelt because you and I have had conversations

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Speaker 2: What do you think this is?

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Speaker 1: The very first thing I saw when you sent me

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Speaker 1: Sure nobody wants an innocent person to go to prison. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: Then pack up in that same van with blood all

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Speaker 3: And that's and that's where I was, That's where all

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Speaker 1: So that also tells you this kidnapper, this stranger, how

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Speaker 3: came to the to their screen door, and I said,

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00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: you know what's going on? Like, what did you see

433
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: that day? What happened? And they said, well, Scott came

434
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: over and knocked on my door and said, had I

435
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: seen Lacey? And I said to Scott, well, no, I haven't,

436
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: But you know, where were you? It's Christmas Eve? Like

437
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: where were you?

438
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: He said?

439
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: I was playing golf. Now this is Christmas Eve. She's

440
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: been reported missing. The searches begin. We know that the

441
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: story changed. I just always found that interesting that that

442
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: was another furtherance of that tale. Was he stressed out, sure,

443
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 3: but I'll never forget it.

444
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: But he misspoke a lot and he said things that

445
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: were weird, right like when he's talking, I think it's

446
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: Diane Sawyer and he refers to her in past tense.

447
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Was he misspeaking then or was that subconscious? Because he

448
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: knew she was dead. And here's the other thing. You

449
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: and I are both married. I will tell you Walt

450
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: McCollum is a lucky man.

451
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: Yes he is.

452
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm so easy to get along with, you.

453
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Know, never a cross word. I don't need anything at all.

454
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: I'm just a joy constantly. Any man that refers to

455
00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: his marriage as glorious, could there be anything more creepy,

456
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: more ill advised to say?

457
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 2: More odd?

458
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll joking aside. I think we have a

459
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: great marriage. We've got two fantastic children. I think we've

460
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: done right by each other. I would never use the

461
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: word glorious.

462
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: When he said that.

463
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that just didn't get a uh feeling.

464
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what stock out to me during

465
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: those interviews. He only granted a few interviews, but it

466
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: was the interview with Gloria Gomez, who was a local

467
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: reporter in Sacramento, and she's been a part of a

468
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: couple of documentaries because she got one of the interviews

469
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: during this time before he was, before the bodies were found,

470
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: before the arrest happened. And I think one of the

471
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: biggest questions in that interview that people have pointed out

472
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: is She's sitting down similar in the in the living

473
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: room in Scott's house and they're talking and the phone,

474
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: his phone is ringing, and he doesn't get up to

475
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: pick up the phone, and she goes, do you want

476
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: to get that and he goes, no, that's okay.

477
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: One h oh, my gosh, it could be the call.

478
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: And that was a big problem for a lot of people,

479
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: Like when we watched that and rewound it and watched

480
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: it again, and you know, let me play Devil's advocate

481
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: for a minute, because that's what I do. I play

482
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: it down the middle. Maybe maybe he said he handed

483
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: his phone to somebody and said, if my phone rings,

484
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, pick up the call for me. But it

485
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: was his phone. It rang. She's missing. Somebody could have

486
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: called and said we've got to leave.

487
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the other horrendous action. He sold

488
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: her car and tried to sell their house. So let's

489
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: just say she had a medical event hit her head,

490
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: had some amnesia.

491
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: When she gets better, she's going to walk up to

492
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: the front door and hey, don't live.

493
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: There, right right. Yeah. It's a lot of people have

494
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: looked at that and just pointed to guild, I don't

495
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: recall I'm trying to think of what the reasoning was

496
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: of just needing the money.

497
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sister in law, I think, said he needs

498
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: money to pay bills. But again, he didn't sell his

499
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: own car. He sold hers. He didn't sell the boat,

500
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: he didn't sell the golf clubs. He sold her car.

501
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: That's a move that anyone should question. So here's the deal.

502
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: You show up day one, you're in front of the home.

503
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: For the next twenty years, you go back to the home,

504
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: you talk to family members, you talk to witnesses, you

505
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: talked to law enforcement. I know you're middle of the road,

506
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: but what do you see today unfolding with the Innocence

507
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: project with the families. Because I can't help but think

508
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: of Sharon Roacha that she is once again having to

509
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: deal with this devil. He just will not go away.

510
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: And I think about that. I mean, there's there's a

511
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: couple of things that have come you know, obviously this

512
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: I was working on. I was working on Rex Huerman

513
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: in the Long Island serial killer case in the office

514
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: in New York when this story broke and somebody came

515
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: banging on the door and they said, lor something happened

516
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: with Scott Peterson, do you want to come out here? Said,

517
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: And I immediately think of Sharon Roacha because I read

518
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: her book, which is the most devastating book of you know,

519
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: it's a it's a loving tribute to her daughter, but

520
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: her heartbreak is so tangible and has been from the

521
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: beginning that I can't help but think of her and

522
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: Brent and Amy and the rest of the family. Her partner,

523
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: Ron Gransky has since passed away, and I just I

524
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: just remember seeing the grief, then seeing it in the

525
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: interviews after and they've, you know, they they have not

526
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: to me. I mean, I've I've reached out, and they've

527
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: I think they're done talking about it. And they they

528
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: chose not to go through another trial when his death

529
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: penalty was overturned, and you know, and that tells you something.

530
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: They just they can't do it. They don't want to

531
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: do it again. It's too hard. I mean, Connor Peterson

532
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: would be going to college, he would be tall, he

533
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: would be handsome, he'd have his own car, he might

534
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: have a girlfriend, you know, And that's what I think

535
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: about when I that's like kind of the first wave

536
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: that hits me when something comes up about Scott Peterson,

537
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: and my heart breaks, and I keep the victims' families

538
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: in my heart, and that includes the Petersons. I think

539
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: about his parents, his aging parents, and his mother passed away.

540
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: Lee is still around his dad, the family that still

541
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: believes in him.

542
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I know.

543
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: I know what you're going to say to those listening,

544
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm just saying that they loved Lacey too, Okay.

545
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 3: And then you've got the girlfriends, the best friends from

546
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: high school, and so you've got that first wave. Everybody

547
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: has to live through this again. Then you dig into

548
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: the document and you go, all right, what are we

549
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: dealing with here? And when I heard about the van,

550
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: and there's just a couple of things I want to

551
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: point out. These pictures that we talked about, the picture

552
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: of the orange van up against the blue wall that's

553
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: in a tow yard. When you look in the back

554
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: of the van. My husband actually pointed this out. There

555
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: are cinder blocks in the back of the burned out van.

556
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: There are these gas canisters in the back of the

557
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: burned out van. And then when I scrolled through the

558
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: document of the declaration of the fire investigator and what

559
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: he wrote down in the reporter, the producer who ended

560
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: up going and finding this guy. He opened the door

561
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: and he said to the producer, I've been waiting ten

562
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: years for somebody to come and ask me this, or

563
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: maybe more, he said, I've been I've always wondered why

564
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: this wasn't checked out. And everybody initially heard this report

565
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: and said, where was this guy? Where's this guy been? Well,

566
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: if you go through the La Innocence Project and you

567
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: read his declaration, he was right there. He describes going

568
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: with a police detective to the yard where this van

569
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: had originated from. It belonged to a rigging company and

570
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: a guy named Terry Bowden that's who it was registered to.

571
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: They did go and interview him. He said, I think

572
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: the van was stolen and all of my employees had

573
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: access to that van. Talked about Bobby Riggs, the last

574
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: guy that had access to the van. Checked out Bobby Riggs.

575
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: Bobby Riggs said, yeap, I borrowed the van and I

576
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: put it back on December twenty seventh. Well, the van

577
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: was found burning in flames on Christmas morning, so there

578
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: was an investigation done, there was evidence taken, and in

579
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: this declaration it describes Brian Spotowski as the fire investigator

580
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: and he describes, you know, going to the yard and

581
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: talking to the van owner, going back, and it was

582
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: towed to a tow yard and then somebody realized along

583
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: the way this could be evidence. They take it to

584
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: the Medesto Police Department warehouse. They and they actually had

585
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: the sense to cover it because all of us were there.

586
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: Now we learn that they covered this with a tarp,

587
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: put it on a flatbed and towed it to the

588
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: Modesto Police Department out of our prying eyes to see

589
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: what's what. And they do test it, and they do

590
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: realize that there is blood after they remove a gas

591
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: canister that's in the middle of the mattress. They pull

592
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: up the gas canister and there's the stain and everybody goes,

593
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: oh my god. And they test it and so there's

594
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: just more there's just more information, and it's just still

595
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: a question. It was tested, it seemed, you know, came back.

596
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: They put it in a tube. You would know more

597
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: than that than me that they put something in a tube.

598
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: It turned blue and that showed it was human blood.

599
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: And then it went to the Department of Justice. But

600
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: then what happened Now we could find out that they

601
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: did the Department of Justice tested it and it wasn't

602
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: Lacey's and that's it? Or did they did they test it?

603
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 3: Is DNA technology today so advanced that we could learn

604
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: something more from that piece of mattress cloth that was cut, preserved, logged.

605
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Let's test, that's the idea. Let's test it and find out.

606
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: And then when I talked to the detective now retired

607
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: Al Borkini, I said, he goes, Look, it's not going

608
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: to be Lacy's blood. He goes, and if it's somebody's blood,

609
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: whose blood is it? Maybe there's another crime we need

610
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: to be talking about here.

611
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: Here's the reality. For me, Arson most often is to

612
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: cover up another crime. So whatever happened inside that van

613
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: should be paramount to law enforcement. And you can take

614
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson completely out of that equation and it should

615
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: still be paramount.

616
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: With that amount of blood.

617
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Most people do not have five cans of gasoline in

618
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: the back of their van. This means to me somebody

619
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: had to go get cans, go get gasoline, come back,

620
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: and then do the arson. So they went to great

621
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: links to try to cover up whatever was inside that van.

622
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: The photograph you sent me, there's a clear pattern on

623
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: that cloth and it looks rectangle. It looks like the

624
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: blade of a knife laying flat being cleaned off, is

625
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: what it looks like to me. I need somebody to

626
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: clarify what we're seeing. And there's a second thing, Laura,

627
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Virgin Mary statue.

628
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: Well, in this La Innocence Project document, there are a

629
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: lot of sworn declarations, and I found it really interesting

630
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: that the declaration from Susan Medina. Remember she's the wife

631
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: that lived across the street at the Medinas. They actually

632
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: found out this week when I was in Modesto that

633
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: they do still live in the neighborhood. They just don't

634
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: live in that house. But neighbors I spoke to said

635
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: they're still here. They just live, you know, down the

636
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: road they stayed. They just moved out of that house.

637
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 3: And the declaration of Susan Medina talks about the when

638
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: the police came over. Obviously the world is, you know,

639
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: right there on Covina, and she talks about being in

640
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: the house and looking around at all the things that

641
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: are out of place, and she said that there was

642
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: a Virgin Mary statue that had been moved during the

643
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: burglary of her home. And she says that she pointed

644
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: it out to investigator, said, you know, they clearly touched that,

645
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: and she said, they didn't touch it, they didn't fingerprint it.

646
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: She offered them to take the French doors that had

647
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: been kicked in in the back of her house because

648
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 3: there was a footprint, and she said, take the doors.

649
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: You just go take a screwdriver, unhinge the hinge and

650
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: just take it. And she says they didn't. Now it'll

651
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: be interesting, Cheryl to find out if we can get

652
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: the records, you know, what is the police version of that.

653
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: Did they take something else that we don't know about

654
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: that wasn't recorded. You know, I don't want to you know,

655
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: you don't want to say, well, the Modesto Police Department

656
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: did absolutely nothing, but they obviously they Bueller. Detective Bueller

657
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: told me. He said, this was the most well investigated

658
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: home burglary in the history of Modesta or California. Like,

659
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: we went up and down and we test, you know,

660
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: we checked out everything.

661
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: We got the guys.

662
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: But when you hear it from Susan Medina, who was

663
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: the eyewitness who opened her doors after coming home from

664
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: Christmas and said, oh my gosh, somebody has ripped through

665
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: my house, stolen our safe, took out you know, there's

666
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: a hammer that somebody took out of my my husband's

667
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: shop and they used it for something. Can you take

668
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: the hammer and can you Can you fingerprint that? She

669
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: says they didn't.

670
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: You know, I have a mantra and it's every test

671
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: on every case, every time. And the reason is if

672
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: you fingerprint the doorknob and get a decent print off

673
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: a perpetrator, that's great. But if you have more than

674
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: one perpetrator and you don't fingerprint the Virgin Mary statue,

675
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: you may not get the second person inside that house.

676
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: Do all of it. There's no excuse not to do

677
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: all of it.

678
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: It's thirty seconds at the most to fingerprint that little statue.

679
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: And the question is if if true? What's the reason

680
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: I want to read you a couple of just a

681
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: quick passage. Well, I'll read you the end of this

682
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: declaration of Susan Medina. What's interesting about Susan Medina. She

683
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: talks about how the neighborhood was very close knit. Our

684
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: neighbors all looked out for one another and would take

685
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: notice when something was amiss in the neighborhood. I recall

686
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: instances of seeing Lacey interacting with people out on the street.

687
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: In one instance, I was inside my home and recall

688
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: Lacey yelling at some teenagers who were in her yard

689
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: and telling them to get out of her yard. I

690
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: also recall having a conversation with one of our neighbors,

691
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: Lil Erkind, about an incident she witnessed involved Lacey. Lil

692
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: told me she witnessed Lacey confronting and yelling at some

693
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: people who were fighting in the street on Covina. I

694
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: believe that conversation occurred after Lacey's disappearance, doesn't make sense.

695
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: We both commented on how Lacey was feisty and protective

696
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: in that way. Lil, who was herself Portuguese, commented that

697
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: it must be the Portuguese and Lacey. I recall another

698
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: occasion when I was outside my home pruning some of

699
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: my plants. Lacey spotted me and came up to me

700
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: because she saw I was doing a terrible job of pruning.

701
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: She told me, in a polite way, I wasn't pruning

702
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: my plants correctly and there was a better way to

703
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: do it if I wanted to help them grow better.

704
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: I recall that while thinking Lacey was very polite. It

705
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: was also very bold of her to come and tell

706
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: me how to do my pruning. Talking about the presence

707
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: of homeless and transient people increasing when the Modesto Gospel

708
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: mission opened at the corner of Yosemite and Rafino Avenue,

709
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: I recall that every morning, around six am, the shelter

710
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: would close and the occupants would have to leave for

711
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: the day, many of them traveling on foot through our neighborhood.

712
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: With the increase in foot traffic, we also started to

713
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: have more people digging through our trash and recycling on

714
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: a regular basis. We started taking added precautions when we

715
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: noticed an increase in foot and bicycle traffic on our street.

716
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: On December twenty fourth, two thousand and two, we were

717
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: in the final stages of constructing a covered patio in

718
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: our backyard. The covered patio was on the south and

719
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: east side of the house, as depicted by the shading below.

720
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 3: I've got the diagram, it's in the document. They saw somebody.

721
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever heard this part, Cheryl.

722
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: They left their home at ten thirty am on December

723
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: twenty fourth to go out of town to visit relatives

724
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: over the Christmas holiday. We locked the gate to our

725
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: backyard before leaving. As we were driving down Covina, Rudy

726
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: pointed a man out to me that looked suspicious. The

727
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: man was wearing a flannel shirt and was slowly riding

728
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: past our house on a bike while heading north on

729
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: the east side of Covina. He was not actively peddling

730
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: when we passed him, but was kind of slowly walking

731
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: his bike. He was a white man and the look

732
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: of him made me feel uncomfortable. He looked out of place,

733
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: and something about him made me nervous. So we circled

734
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: the block by turning right on Encina, on Santa Barbara,

735
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 3: right on Highland, right on Edgebrook, and right on Covena.

736
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: It would have only taken us less than a minute

737
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: to circle the block. I did not see the man

738
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: when we drove back by our home on Cavena. With

739
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: the way Covena is situated, he had taken the path

740
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: into the park. We would have seen him by the

741
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: time we circled back, but we did not see where

742
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: he went. When we returned from our trip from La

743
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: December twenty sixth, we were shocked by the presence of

744
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: so many media on Covina. After showing urds to Covena,

745
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: we approached our house. I remember Rudy noticing our Dolly

746
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: in the front yard as we pulled in. Rudy entered

747
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: the back doors of our house, which had been kicked in,

748
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: and had me wait outside. Rudy then came running out

749
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: of the house and announced that we had been robbed. Immediately,

750
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: the police, which were focused on the Peterson's home, started

751
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: coming over to us and our residence and we reported

752
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: the burglary. The detectives were going back and forth between

753
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: the Peterson residence and our house. I remember being concerned

754
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: that with all the media there, that the reporters were

755
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: going to think that we were suspects in whatever had

756
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: happened at the Peterson home since the police were now

757
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: looking at our house. I was also concerned because they

758
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: were not wearing shoe coverings when going back and forth

759
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: between the houses, and I was concerned about cross contamination

760
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: of evidence. At some point, I remember Doug Lavelle coming

761
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: over to our residence. He was working with the Modesto

762
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: Police department. I knew Doug's wife, Peggy through work. I

763
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: recalled Doug coming into our house to look at evidence.

764
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: I walked him and the detectives through the house, pointing

765
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: out things that were out of place. I had just

766
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: cleaned the house ahead of our trips, so I could

767
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: tell what had been touched by the burglars. I recall

768
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: offering to the police that they could take the French

769
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: doors if they needed them as evidence. I remember they

770
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: had been kicked in and there was a footprint on

771
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: the doors. They declined to take the doors. I remember

772
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: when we entered our master bedroom, Rudy's hammer from his

773
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: shed and one of his work gloves were on our bed.

774
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: The head of the hammer was wrapped in the glove

775
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: in such a way that made me think it was

776
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: being used to suppress the noise of using the hammer

777
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: to hit something. I do not believe the police collected

778
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: either the hammer or the glove. I cannot recall whether

779
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: they swabbed or checked them for fingerprints. Also on the

780
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: bed was a statue of the Virgin Mary, which had

781
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: been on top of the safe. Again I recall pointing

782
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: out to the police so they would know that the

783
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: burglars touched that. Next to the statue was an envelope

784
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: that I kept our monthly allowance of cash in I

785
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: recall there being about four hundred dollars in the envelope

786
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 3: when we left. When we returned, the envelope was missing

787
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: the majority of the cash. When I suggested the police

788
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: fingerprint items in our home that had been touched or disturbed,

789
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: the detective told me that I quote watched too much CSI.

790
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's where the La Innocence Project

791
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: is concerned and wants to know what happened with some

792
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 3: of these items. And she ends this in her last

793
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: statement sworn declaration July twenty ninth, twenty twenty three, just

794
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: last year, ending with I have always been bothered by

795
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: the lack of investigation of the burglary of our home

796
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: and the possible connection to Lacy's disappearance and murder, Signed

797
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: Susan Medina.

798
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: When you have an opportunity to take five more minutes,

799
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: do it. Take the statue, take the doors, throw fingerprint

800
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: powder all over that place, measure everything, make the victim

801
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: feel like that you are doing everything possible. And let

802
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: me address the TV comment for one moment. That is

803
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: what people know, that's where they get their information. So

804
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: when you say to somebody, why can't fingerprint a brick

805
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: and you want to move on. Take the brick. You

806
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: can get DNA from it. Don't tell them what you

807
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: can't do. Take five more minutes, not even to pick

808
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: the brick up, Put it in a bag, tag it

809
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: and take it with you and see if you can

810
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: run some test to make them feel like you have

811
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: literally done all that you can do, because you did.

812
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: I do believe your job is so important. And I

813
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: tell people this all the time. In small towns, your

814
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: police department may not have a drone, but your TV

815
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: station does. And if you've got a child or an

816
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: elderly person missing, ask for their help.

817
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Get that drone in the air.

818
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: If they cover it, fine, but use the tools that

819
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: are available to you. I agree with you one hundred percent.

820
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: There was nobody better to get on this thing quicker

821
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: to search for her than the media.

822
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: And the media that gathered at the Redline Hotel and

823
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: that you know, got the flyers record, you know, and

824
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 3: we see the we see the desperate panic and grief

825
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: on the faces of Sharon Roache. I mean, if you

826
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: just if you just go back and you look at

827
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: the difference of actions of just even just the look

828
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: on their face, and everybody handles things differently, and we

829
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: have to keep saying that over and over again, especially

830
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: with this case. But that desperate grief, that is that

831
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: guttural feeling that you experience when you listen to Sharon

832
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Roache at the microphone, Please please, if you have her,

833
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: bring her back, and you hear Lacy's biological father break down,

834
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: and then you know, you see And then people would say,

835
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: but look at Scott Peterson. He's walking his dog, he's going,

836
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, he's handing out a few flyers and he's leaving.

837
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: That was what was so suspicious in the beginning as

838
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: well to many people, and people wanted to know, why

839
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: aren't you driving down the street. I recall having somebody

840
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: in my life missing for a few hours, and I

841
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: got in my car and I rolled down both windows

842
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: and I went up and down the streets screaming that

843
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: person's name. And I knew I looked like a maniac,

844
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: but I was so desperate that that person was injured,

845
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: had fallen, might be unconscious. I remember that fear, and

846
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: it is real when it happens, and we saw it

847
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: unfold in real time in front of our cameras and microphones.

848
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: During that time and when you watch you know, just

849
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: the different side of that. It's hard to wrap your

850
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: head around it. We just have to listen to his

851
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: explanation on that he's in prison. Jerry found him guilty.

852
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: But that's something that always stuck out to me.

853
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, you've been on this case twenty years, and

854
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: I worked Natalie Holloway for seventeen eighteen and I've watched

855
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: her mom and most recently with your hand taken a

856
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: play when I sat with her mama years ago in

857
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: front of a chapel in Aruba. It was me, Beth

858
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: and Nancy Grace and it had been all that time,

859
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: seventeen years, and we were just sitting in silence, letting

860
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Beth just take it all in at the chapel where

861
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: she first felt any piece at all. And she turned

862
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: to the two of us and she said, I know

863
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: you think I'm crazy, but I brought Natalie's passport just

864
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: in case, And I know you feel this way. There's

865
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: a time where you stop being a reporter and you

866
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: stop being a crime saye investigator and you're a mama.

867
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: And I know with Sharon Rocha and with Beth Holloway,

868
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: you and I have both had that experience where after

869
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: you have that baby, something happens to you where you

870
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: can't hear about a missing child or a murdered child,

871
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: or where you're not affected so deeply and so differently

872
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: that yes, you can still, you know, do your job professionally,

873
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: but there's part of you that now just kind of

874
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: has this overlay and it's different.

875
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: It's more personal to you.

876
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 3: And when you're involved in a story like this one,

877
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: or Natalie Holloway, or the use so many murders which

878
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: I covered, or the Connecticut home invasion story that I

879
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: did every day of that trial too, you just you

880
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: have to compartmentalize while you're doing your job. But at night,

881
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: when the lights go out, I see their faces. I

882
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: want to help bring answers, and I know that victim's

883
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 3: family members, and I don't blame anybody who doesn't want

884
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: a camera in their face asking them how. You know.

885
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: That's the thing, Cheryl. When I covered the trial of

886
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Scott Peterson, and I was outside of that courthouse every

887
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: day waiting for my press pass and getting a seat

888
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: in the courtroom, and I watched the family members come in.

889
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: There was something about Sharon Roache that reminded me of

890
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: my own mom, and I didn't I didn't want to

891
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: chase her. I didn't want to put a microphone in

892
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: her face, and I didn't need to ask her how

893
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: she felt because I could see it. I could see it,

894
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 3: and I could describe it. And as a radio reporter,

895
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: I felt comfortable in my reporting abilities that I could

896
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: talk about watching her go up, go up, and go

897
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: out into that courthouse, and I just never I never

898
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: felt the need to do that. I didn't want to

899
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: do that to her because she was already just being

900
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: annihilated with media.

901
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: Laura, will you.

902
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: Describe for us Lacy in the jumpsuit photograph and what

903
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: the prosecutor did During the trial.

904
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: We had a lot of exhibits in court, and one

905
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: of the most powerful exis amples of a double life

906
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: that Scott Peterson was living was when Lacy Peterson would

907
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: to a Christmas party by herself and she was dressed

908
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: up in this kind of ruby colored beautiful jumpsuit with

909
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: jewelry and a big broad smile, sitting in a chair

910
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: because she was pregnant and her doctor had told her to,

911
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: you know, stay off of her feet. According to testimony,

912
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: we heard about that. So there she is sitting at

913
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: a Christmas party by herself, and they put up on

914
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: the other side of the screen a picture of Scott

915
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: Peterson and Amber Fry the same night, and that's what

916
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: he was doing. And it was, oh, it was hard.

917
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: It was hard to see that and look over at

918
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: the family and think about what that felt like for them.

919
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: Chances are they've already seen the photos, but now we're

920
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: seeing it publicly in trial, and it just made you

921
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 3: want to start crying. It was it was so hard.

922
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: To see that.

923
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: How could you let her go to that party? How

924
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: could you let her look that beautiful and pregnant and

925
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: hopeful while driving down ninety nine to go to Fresno

926
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: and go to another Christmas party with somebody else. Happens

927
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: all the time, though this we know adultery affairs, but

928
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: to see it in vivid color on a huge screen

929
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: inside of a courthouse courtroom is painful.

930
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I

931
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: always do, with a quote I would have liked to

932
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: personally have prosecuted Scott Peterson, Nancy Grece. I'm Cheryl McCollum,

933
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: and this is Zone seven

934
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Speaker 3: Nine