1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein bragged, I blackmailed powerful men and we can't 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: come up with a client list. 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I guess that's one way to put it. 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: A client list, powerful and wealthy clients that abuse little 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: girls like Virginia Giffrey. This as we also learn that 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: between Virginia Geoffrey and Jeffrey Epstein, they have brought. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Down the royal family. 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Thousands and thousands and 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: thousands of pages of files. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: They couldn't quote a suicide because it looks too much 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: like a homicide. 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: This you say, cover of us. If it's proportions. 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: They're trying to make your look like the suicide. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: If he was never making it out alive. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: All of you naysayers, all of you doubters who don't 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: believe Virginia Giffray's story Israel, guess what word on the street. 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew is going to be summoned to the US 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: to testify, to testify regarding Epstein's so called client list. 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: Now look at this picture. 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: He's said he has never met Virginia Giffrey, that he's 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: never been in Jelaine Maxwell's home. That was a fake hand. 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: He's got wrapped around that teen girl. And it goes 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: on and on and on. In the last days as 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: we go to air tonight, bombshell out of the Blue. 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Wow, what timing? 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: Virginia Giffray's book drops posthumously. Yes, she committed suicide. There's 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: Nobody's girl. And coincidentally, the night before ish the book drops, 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles. 31 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: Timing, timing, timing. You know, I've got so much to cover. 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: But right there, I've got to go straight out to 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: p R Guru joining Us, Rob Shooter. 34 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: He is the guru to the celebs and he's from 35 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: Great Britain. What about that? 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Your Prince Andrew is getting listen. I really don't know 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: how to say it, but he They're going to try 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: to summon him to the US. 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, Royalty doesn't like to be summoned anywhere. 40 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: All around the timing of this book dropping, Rob Shooter, 41 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: host of Naughty but Nice. 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: He is the author of a. 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: Brand new novel. It started with a whisper, and it's 44 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: climbing up the charts for a good reason. He's at 45 00:02:54,040 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: robshooter dot substack dot substack dot com. Rob Pandemonium in 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace because of Virgin Jr. Frey who was abused 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: by Epstein. 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is a bombshell. This book has literally 49 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 5: blown the roof of a story that we know about 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 5: for some time. However, having it in her own words, 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 5: there's the book in her own words, it's absolutely shocking. 52 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 5: I've got hold of a book. I've been pouring through 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 5: it over the last twenty four hours, and let me 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 5: be honest here, there are not many new accusations about 55 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 5: Prince Andrew in the book. However, to have them all 56 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 5: together in one place, told through her voice she's no 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: longer with us, It's almost like she's talking to us 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 5: Nancy from the grave. To have all that together in 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 5: one book, it's devastating. He's already lost his titles. He's 60 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 5: still a prince, he's no longer the Duke of York, 61 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 5: and he's no longer his royal heart. 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: It excuse me, you know, he's lost all his titles. 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: He's living ret free, and the royal lodge of his 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: others die. May she rist in peace. I want to 65 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: hear about any of his suffering. Virginia Jeffrey, you know what, 66 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me. She is the 67 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending sex 68 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: abuse and exploitation of girls and women. Prince Andrew, he 69 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: should be out making a living like everybody else and 70 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: quit living off the royal dime the taxpayers. 71 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: After this, he should actually be in jail. That's where 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: he should be. 73 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: And he's whining his getting stripped of his titles. Virginia 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: Jeffrey and others lived a lifetime of torment, of suffering 75 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: because of Jeffrey Epstein and his clients. 76 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: Finally, Nancy, I have spent a day on Capitol Hill. 77 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: We are getting ready for a lot that is going 78 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: to drop because it's survivors and victims. Not only have 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, all around our country were waiting for some 80 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: sort of closure on all of this accountability. And you 81 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: know what, they were fatigue, they were angry. But you 82 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: know what, with this book, there's new interest on let's 83 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: see those in charge, those of wealth and power. So 84 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: we are in Washington. We are demanding transparency. We are 85 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: demanding that Prince whatever his title is now Andrew be 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: brought before everybody to give us a clear picture. We 87 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: know Virginia Duffrey was never lying. She was made out 88 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: to be crazy, she was made out to be depressed, 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: she was made out to be just cast aside. And 90 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 3: you know what, people knew about all of this for years, 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: for decades. But finally that picture of her with Prince 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: Andrew with his hand around her, Midri, he Bear, Midric 93 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: and Glane in the pictures that came forward during that 94 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: need to movement, and it just sparked a movement. But 95 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: now what we're waiting for. We're waiting for names. And 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why we're waiting for names, because there 97 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: are a lot behind the scenes. There is a list. 98 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: We know the list. We've seen the list. We can't 99 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: prove it, but we want those names brought forward in 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: front of Congress and demand accountability for all survivors and victims. Again, 101 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: not only have Jeffrey Epstein and Gallinne Maxwell, all the 102 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: other complicit people involved. This is a good. 103 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: Day, you know what. 104 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: Speaking of all the other complicit people involved, joining us 105 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: is Barry Levine. He is the author of The Spider 106 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Julane Maxwell. 107 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: He's a veteran investigative reporter and editor in print and TV. 108 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Barry, you know what, that. 109 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: Picture completely schees me out. And I think Juri would 110 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: feel the same way, because can I see the picture 111 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: of Andrew with his hand wrapped around eighteen girl Virginia 112 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: a danity and girl Virginia Jeffrey? 113 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: Because what is so off putting? 114 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: Look how everybody's smiling like it's all okay. 115 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Look at Julie Maxwell smiling. It's raw. It's as if 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: it's okay, it's accepted. It's not. 117 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: And why is it it takes a book like this 118 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: and the victims marching on Washington. 119 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: To get the client list. I don't get it, Levine. 120 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 6: Listen, Nancy, the book was so difficult to go through 121 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 6: because even though I had gone through thousands of pages 122 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 6: of deposition documents or papers and other confidential information about 123 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 6: Virginia's story, hearing her in her own words was so revolting. 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 6: As a father, It just absolutely disgusted me. And what 125 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 6: disgusted me even more, Nancy, was her disclosure in the 126 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 6: book that the FBI sat down with her in twenty 127 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 6: eleven and they showed her photos of all the men 128 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 6: that she had referenced. I had count eleven men that 129 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 6: she referenced in her book. What happened after that FBI 130 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: interview in Sydney, Australia. What actions were taken by the 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 6: FBI to coroborate her stories and to interview these men. 132 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 6: We don't know that that information, that confidential information is 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 6: likely sitting in the FBI files that the government is 134 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 6: still refusing to release after saying that there was no blackmail, 135 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 6: that there was no clientless. 136 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: It is ludicrous. 137 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 6: We need to find out what action was taken by 138 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 6: the FBI to coroborate her stories. I named the men 139 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 6: in my book. I went through each of them. Many 140 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 6: of them I named under legal threat legal letters that 141 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 6: I received in my publisher receiver. But the fact of 142 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 6: the matter is these men, three of them are dead. 143 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: But the remaining men need to be subpoenaed by the 144 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 6: government by the Oversight Committee. They need to be brought 145 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 6: forward and answer questions as to what their relationship with what. 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: It's so disturbing and I'm going to throw this to 147 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: Elena Sharrazzi, joining US senior political reporter with Dailymail dot Com, 148 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: who has been on this from the very beginning. Elena Sharozzi, 149 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know, I was 150 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: just hearing Barry Levine talking about getting these legal threat 151 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,119 Speaker 2: letters from the people he named in the book lawsuit 152 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: fat chance not happening? Why because Levine could go to 153 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: court and call them. Unlike in a criminal case, when 154 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: you cannot call a criminal defendant, you can call the target. 155 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: In a civil case, Levin could walk into court if 156 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: they sued him, and the first thing. 157 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: He would could could do is call the alleged. 158 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: Person on the client list and put them on the 159 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: stand and cross examine them as a hostile witness. You 160 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: think they're going to sign up for that. That's not happening, 161 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: Elena Shirazzi. What's happening? Has Virginia phrase book? Nobody's girl 162 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: moved the dial at all? 163 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: What do I have to do stick at Dynamite. 164 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: Under Bondi's rear end to get this client list? Because 165 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: there is a client list? 166 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean in Amy Wallace said the Ghost Rita, 167 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 7: she calls it a catalog of horrors, And I mean 168 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 7: as for the people involved, she did mention right in 169 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 7: the book a former prime minister, and if you look 170 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 7: at the document dumps. It actually does mention former Israeli 171 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 7: a prime minister, hud Barock, and well, Emmy Wallace says 172 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 7: she can't exactly rebuild the names for several reasons, right 173 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 7: because Virginia she wanted to protect, you know, just her sanity, 174 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 7: her children. There's a lot of reasons as to why, 175 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 7: you know, when people say, well, why don't you just 176 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 7: release all of the names, she just wanted to be 177 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 7: okay for a minute, she was obviously struggling. She committed 178 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 7: suicide before this book came out, so she was just 179 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 7: looking for a little bit of that sanity. But as 180 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 7: you just with the pieces together, you can see some 181 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 7: of these names start to come to fruition. And a congress, right, 182 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 7: I mean Prince Andrew, so much information has come out 183 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 7: about him. Representative Stephen Lanche told the BBC that the 184 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 7: House Oversight Committee is going to be questioning him. They're 185 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 7: interested in hearing from him. So we certainly see a 186 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 7: lot of this start to unravel, and I think that 187 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 7: it's only a. 188 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Matter of time before all of this comes out. President 189 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: Trump said he campaigned on this. 190 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 7: He said that he would release the Epstein files, he 191 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 7: would release the list so people are still waiting for 192 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 7: that to happen, and Maxwell is still sitting pretty in 193 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 7: this nice prison hoping for a pardon from the president. 194 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: You know what, I want to follow up on what 195 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: you're saying. 196 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: For some reason, the client list, the files have not 197 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: been made public, and I was hoping, against hope that 198 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: the publication of Jeffrey's book would. 199 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: Move the need on that happening. 200 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: To Spencer Couvin joining as chief legal officer Gold Law, 201 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: who has represented at least nine Epstein victims. Your clients 202 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: know the names or the names of some of the 203 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: people that abuse them, nine now adult women. 204 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: And as I've told many mini juries. 205 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: Look at all these people testifying against him. You think 206 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: they all got together, separated in time and space, and 207 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: made up an. 208 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Incredibly similar story. 209 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: The same thing happened every time they get called to 210 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: the mansion, They get told they're going to give them 211 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: massage to Jeffrey Epstein, They meet with Gilain Maxwell, Maxwell 212 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: goes in the room with them. Maxwell's strips Epstein's naked, 213 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: same story, over and over. 214 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: You know what, if that was my. 215 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: Child, I swear I would burn down the courthouse because 216 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: nothing is being done. 217 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: What about your clients, nine of them. 218 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: Last count that know the names of their predators. Why 219 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 2: have they not been released? Why aren't you releasing them? 220 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 8: Well, that's a very good question, but the more important 221 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 8: question is why hasn't the government released them? My clients, Now, 222 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 8: this dates back to two thousand and seven when I 223 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 8: first started representing these young girls. We're going on almost 224 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 8: twenty years where this investigation began, and back then my 225 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 8: clients interviewed with the FBI and gave them all of 226 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 8: the information. 227 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: Now, you've got to understand, these young girls fifteen sixteen 228 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: years old at the time, were surveiled and harassed ruthlessly 229 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: by the Epstein team. Epstein hired private investigators to follow 230 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: them around in vans and trucks, take pictures of them, 231 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: interview their family members, interview their boyfriends about sexual positions 232 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: that they had done in their life. These girls are petrified, 233 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 4: even though Epstein is dead. They are so afraid because 234 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: the system has let them down time and time and 235 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: time again over these almost twenty years. So as a result, 236 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: they're relying on the federal government to do their job. 237 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: And more importantly, as I've always said, the information is 238 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: contained not just in the list but more importantly, in 239 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: the videotapes that the government has seized at all three 240 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: mansions at. 241 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Episode can Cavean. 242 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back because you didn't answer, You 243 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: sidestepped it. Why is it that you and your clients 244 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: do not release the list of your clients' predators. 245 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Just just give me an answer. What is it? 246 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 8: They're scared, they're petrified for their lives if they release 247 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 8: any enditions. 248 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: Hold on, there's another way to get this list, man, 249 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: there's another way to get list. I don't expect the 250 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: list to be lying there in gold leaf. 251 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: You have to read the files. 252 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: You and I have come through enough boxes of documents. Boy, 253 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: when I was a fed I lived coming through boxes 254 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: and documents. And from those documents you get names. It 255 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: could be on an email, it could be on a 256 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: phone log. It could be on a flight log. It 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: could be communications back and forth. It could be an 258 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: appointment book where you get names. That's the client list. 259 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: The names are there. There's no way the names are 260 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: not there. Your client's no names. The women that are 261 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: marching on Washington no names. But yet nothing is happening. 262 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: You know what's very interesting? Back to Barry Levine, hold 263 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: on Dr Bethany. I'm coming Barry Levine right now. There 264 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: is an Arizona congress person. She won in September. But 265 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: they are refusing. Washington is refusing the Speaker. 266 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: Of the House. 267 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: You don't like what I'm saying, Speaker, come and get me. 268 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: The Speaker of the House refuses to swear her in. 269 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: Why because she is going to vote for the files 270 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: to be released. She hasn't been sworn in. It's almost November. 271 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: She was elected duly elected in September. And I don't 272 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: care what she is if she's a Republican, a Democrat, 273 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: a Greeney don't care. They are keeping her out from 274 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: being sworn in because she is going to cast that 275 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: vote for the Epstein files to be produced. 276 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 6: It's absolutely correct, Nancy. They're trying to sweep this under 277 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 6: the rug, but it just won't go away. And in fact, 278 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 6: we know that Representative Thomas Massey, who's a Republican who's 279 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 6: been pushing to get these files released, he said that 280 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 6: he knows the names of nineteen men. Okay, so Virginia. 281 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: Virginia cited eleven men in her book. He knows the 282 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 6: names of eight additional men. We now have a list 283 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 6: at least he do, of nineteen men. Why isn't the 284 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 6: FBI all over this? Why isn't BONDI directing the FBI? 285 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 6: Cash could tell to go through those nineteen names, for 286 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 6: God's sakes, bring We know three of them are dead, 287 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 6: and maybe some of the eight that he referenced could 288 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 6: be dead also. But the fact is those that remain 289 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 6: alive need to be brought in. They need to be questioned, 290 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 6: and they need to have the heat turned up on 291 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 6: them as to what their relationship was with Virginia, with 292 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein, with Maxwell. 293 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: You know what, I'd also like to find out. 294 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: I'd like to find out not only the names of 295 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: these predators that aren't rolling in money, power, prestige, that 296 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: have been living their lives like nothing happened, Doctor Bethony Marshall. 297 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: They're that arrogant, They're that convinced they'll get away with it, 298 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: and so far they have and I'd like to know. 299 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 2: And I guess it's going to take a Watergate type proceeding. 300 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: To find out what's been. 301 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: Said in Washington that has stymied this investigation. 302 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, this whole group psychology is like the 303 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 9: family where a little girl's being molested. Mommy looks the 304 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 9: other way because she wants to hang onto the love 305 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 9: of daddy. In this case, mommy being the government, daddy 306 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 9: being all these rich, powerful men, the little girl being 307 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 9: Virginia Jeffries. 308 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: You know what's so sad. 309 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 9: What I read in this book is that she was 310 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 9: molested by her own dad when she worked at Mira Lago. 311 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 9: She was so excited to have this new job. Gilan 312 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 9: Maxwell Waltz is in looking All Fancy promises her to 313 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 9: learn massage. In that very same day she's listed, Do 314 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 9: you don't, Nancy. She was so brutalized on the Lolita 315 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 9: Express that she feared for her life. This is not 316 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 9: just sexual abuse like giving oral sex or being penetrated 317 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 9: or fondled. This is older, rich, powerful men and women 318 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 9: brutalizing her. I think we really need to cast a 319 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 9: spotlight on that. This is sadism, This is cruelty, This 320 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 9: is beating her up. 321 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: We keep staying back in her sex tracks with Bethany. 322 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: It was tolerated, it was condoned, it was encouraged. And 323 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: can't you imagine Jeffrey and so many other girls like her, 324 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: teen girls as young as twelve at Lolita Island with Epstein. 325 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: You couldn't get off the island. You can only get 326 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: there by a fairy With all of these old guys, 327 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: can you imagine if they're smiling for the camera that 328 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: it's all okay? 329 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: Imagine the environment right there in that compound. 330 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, the word sex trafficking and sex abuse 331 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 9: has almost lost its meaning. We've used it so many times, 332 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 9: so let's use another word. Gang rape, gang brutality, torture, 333 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 9: mob violence. These are also very salient words. You know 334 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 9: that that picture where Prince Andrew has his hand around 335 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 9: her waist. Do you know that Gillan Maxwell told Jeffries 336 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 9: that morning, this is going to be a great day. 337 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 9: This is according to the book. Get up, this is 338 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 9: going to be a great day. You're going to meet 339 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 9: a prince. She was so excited because she bought into 340 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 9: the fairy tale. So she brought her little point and 341 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 9: shoot camera and she said to Gillan Maxwell, will you 342 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 9: take a picture of us? Poor little thing. She thought 343 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 9: she was meeting a prince who would treat her like 344 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 9: a princess. And Gilan Maxwell then plays a game that 345 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 9: she did with all the perpetrators. Can you guess how 346 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 9: old for Jenna Jeffries is according to the book and Drew. 347 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 9: Prince Andrew replies seventeen. I know because I have girls 348 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 9: who are just a little bit younger. So all of 349 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 9: this they didn't know how old the girls were. They 350 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 9: did because Gilan Maxwell loved the game of guessing the 351 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 9: girls ages before they were raped, tortured, and penetrated. 352 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 10: Virginia writes she was instructed to have sex with Prince 353 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 10: Andrew on three separate occasions. Maxwell told her their first 354 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 10: meeting would be just like Cinderella, though. 355 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: Virginia says Andrew behaved. 356 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 10: Like it was his birthright to have sex with her, 357 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 10: though they only spent about thirty minutes together behind closed doors. 358 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: Virginia repeats the claim Andrew visited. 359 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 10: Her in New York just a month later, and also 360 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 10: describes a third orgy on Epstein's Island with the Prince 361 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 10: and other young girls. 362 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: Release the files. 363 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 8: Teens of thousands of documents related to f saying are 364 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 8: refusing to release. 365 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 9: No, we've got the administration telling us look the other way. 366 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: We got orange blops. 367 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 9: We got a guy who looks like you know, he 368 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 9: supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels. 369 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Please. 370 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: In the last days, Virginia Giffrey's book Nobody's Girl has 371 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: been released. Will it make a difference? We earlier heard 372 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: it guest describing her suicide. But you know what too, 373 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: Elina Scherazzi, joining a senior reporter with dailymail dot Com. 374 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: There are estimates. 375 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I've counted six people that committed 376 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: suicide connected to Epstein, including Epstein, Giffrey, Epstein's supplier out 377 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: of France. 378 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: Jean Luke Brunelle. 379 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: He committed suicide much like Epstein, behind bars several of 380 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: the child trafficking victims, and doctor Bethany and Lynn Shaw 381 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: can explain why victims adult victims of child sex abuse 382 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: go on to commit suicide. 383 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: But it's quite the coincidence. 384 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: Don't you think that so many people just before they 385 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: are to testify, commit suicide. I feel like I'm in 386 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: Russia and someone's going to get thrown out the window 387 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: or poisoned just before their testimony. You just heard Spencer Couvin, 388 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: who is a high profile lawyer, chief legal officer Gold Law, 389 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: who represents going on twelve of the child victims of Epstein. 390 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: Saying they're afraid they should be. 391 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: Afraid the victims are dropping like flies, Elena. 392 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean you always say timing, timing, timing, right, Nancy, I. 393 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 7: Always hear you see that, and you have to think 394 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 7: about that. The timing of these suicides certainly is something 395 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 7: to be examined for these young girls who have just 396 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 7: been through so much for so many key figures involved 397 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 7: were obviously keeping an eye as well on Gillne Maxwell 398 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 7: to see what happens to her in that Texas prison 399 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 7: which has a ton a ton of security, but also 400 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 7: the timing of other things like Prince Andrew and when 401 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 7: he decided he would relinquish his title the Duke of York. 402 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 7: He still is a prince, but people are pushing for 403 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 7: that further. 404 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: Just one moment, the way you said that, I don't 405 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: like it. 406 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said. And I'll tell 407 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: you why. 408 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Rob Shooter, that Andrew is still insisting 409 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: that people say your Highness and that he holds onto 410 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: some type of title. 411 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: Absolutely behind the scenes. I know a lot of people 412 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 5: in the Palace who work at the Royal Lodge. They're 413 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 5: saying that behind the scenes, he's still is still Prince Andrew. 414 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 5: His staff at the house, his euthy room mansion, that 415 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 5: he's not paying any rent for it. 416 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: I have a staff, Andrew has a staff. He doesn't 417 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: get his brush, his teeth and wipe. 418 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: Is why does he have a staff? Why are they? 419 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: You know what, if the Brents want to pay for it, 420 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: you know that's on them. So Elena Shirazzi, I don't 421 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: know that he volunteerily relinquished his title. I think he 422 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: got called in, summoned into a meeting with Charles and 423 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: William and he got a spanky spanky and they swipped 424 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: him off his titles. 425 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: That's what I think. 426 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 7: They want nothing to do with it. It's such a 427 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 7: big distraction from the Buckingham Palace and certainly the first 428 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 7: time we put a gagging order on Virginia, he claimed 429 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 7: that he was thinking about the Queen. I mean, the 430 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 7: entire royal family wants to separate themselves as far away 431 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 7: from this as possible. And Prince William, we know as 432 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 7: well from our reporting, he wants to separate himself from 433 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 7: his uncle. There's been so many events just this past 434 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 7: week with the royal family where they even did put 435 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 7: out a statement saying, you know, we want to focus 436 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 7: on what we're doing. We don't want to focus on 437 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 7: things surrounding that. And obviously they meant this, so this is. 438 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: A bad look. This is a horrible look. Elena. 439 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: Remember just recently there was a big royal funeral, not 440 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: within the British royal family, but another royal family, and 441 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 2: everyone attended and it was this special moment and then 442 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: all of a sudden here comes to Andrew lurking In 443 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: trying to have a conversation on camera with William who 444 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: looked a him and went, oh, it is like a 445 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: dark cloud over them and they represent like it or not, they. 446 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Represent great Britain. 447 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: He should not be walking free popping up at royal events. 448 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: It's a huge distraction. The situation has festered. 449 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 11: They thought that by. 450 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 7: Having him put out a statement in his own way, 451 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 7: our reporting shows saying that he would voluntarily relinquish his 452 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 7: title of Duke of York, which, as we talked about Nancy, 453 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 7: was certainly not the case. 454 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 9: It was a sort of pr outreach. 455 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 7: On that end, but him trying to come out with 456 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 7: the statements in that way, they think it's going to 457 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 7: just go away. No, it actually put even more attention 458 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 7: on the Royal family. So no matter what were you 459 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 7: try and. 460 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: Interesting the way you said that, Elena, the more is try, 461 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: the more they try to sweep it under the rug, 462 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: it festers. 463 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: It boils up. 464 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: And that's the same thing that's happening here with these 465 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: Epstein files. And it's not just Democrats trying to bring 466 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: down the White House, is Democrats and Republicans because. 467 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: They know that this is wrong. I mean, you know, 468 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: uh shooter, it'll be. 469 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: A cold day in HTUBL that Andrew volunteerily says, here 470 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: have all my titles and all the pop and all 471 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: the circumstances that did not happen. 472 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: Didn't happen, And even a statement actually says that. In 473 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 5: the statement he uses the word we. We have decided 474 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 5: that I will step away from these titles, not I. 475 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 5: So there's more than him in here. My sources are 476 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: telling me this is William. Williamy is disgusted what happened 477 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 5: at the Duchess of Kent's funeral that you reference. Nancy 478 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: is disgusted at having Andrew around. And this is the 479 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 5: problem they have. The Royal family is a family business. 480 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: They want him out of the business, but he's still 481 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 5: a blood member of the family. So they've tried to 482 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: walk this difficult path of letting him come to family events, funerals, Christmas. 483 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 5: Now they decided no more after that display at the Duchess. 484 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: I've got bigger problems than whether Andrew celebrates Christmas at Sandringham. 485 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't care. 486 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: What I want is this client list, and I want 487 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: the predators put behind barge. Jeffrey lived her whole life 488 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: destroyed by what had happened to her, just like. 489 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: All the other little girls now women. I just want 490 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: nobody likes to let their mind go there. 491 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: But you have to imagine, Levine, isn't it true? Girls 492 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: as young as. 493 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: Twelve years old. 494 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: We're being brought to Lolita Island, which is under US jurisdiction. 495 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: They're in the US Virgin Islands, brought They're flown in 496 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: from the stands, from Turkey, from France. Little girls, some 497 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: as young as twelve, they are flown there. They are 498 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: taken off the plane, they're put on a ferry. They're 499 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: taken over to the island and they are sex abused. 500 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: What does sex abuse mean? They are raped, They have 501 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: sex with Epstein and his clients. And if we sit 502 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: back and let this happen. Jeffrey is dead. Everybody keeps 503 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: saying suicide. I'm not sold on that, or Epstein committing suicide. 504 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: That said, who's going to fight now? Who is going 505 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: to stand up to Bondye and others that refused to 506 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: seek justice. There has to be evidence, Leveine, the fairy workers, 507 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: the pilots, the people that prostess their travel for Pete's sake, 508 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: There is a trail about what. And you know what, 509 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: there's more evidence. There's got to be a hospital record 510 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: of this. Listen, Levine, if you can stomach it. 511 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 10: Nobody's girl touches on a harrowing medical emergency at age seventeen, 512 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 10: when Virginia woke up in a pool of blood with 513 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 10: stabbing abdominal pain. She was heavily sedated when Epstein took 514 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 10: her to the hospital, and afterwards he told her she miscarried, 515 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 10: but Virginia later learned she likely suffered a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. 516 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 10: The memoir also claims Epstein and Maxwell broached the idea 517 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 10: of Virginia acting as a surrogate for them, aligning with 518 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 10: newly released emails between the couple discussing fertility testing. 519 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: What did I just hear, wait a minute, that she 520 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: was even Virginia Giffrey was even considered carrying as a 521 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: surrogate the baby of Epstein and Max. Will talk about 522 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: Rosemary's baby. Oh you remember Rosemary's baby with me and Fara. 523 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: Remember that Levine and me and Farrah had the Devil's baby, 524 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: the Devil's baby. They were considering using Virginia Giffray, this 525 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: little teen girl, to carry their baby as a surrogate. 526 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: If that baby did not come out with horns and 527 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: a tail, you know, strike me down, Lightning. But there 528 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: has to be evidence of that topic pregnancy, save where 529 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: Virginia Giffrey went to the hospital to bolster her testament. 530 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: Of course, she can never testify now she's dead. 531 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're all happy about that, because that's one 532 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: last witness they've got to deal with. 533 00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Levigne. 534 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 6: Listen, Nancy. There were cover ups not only in the US, 535 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 6: but in the virgin Islands where his island was in England. 536 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 6: I mean, I know from researching my book. Epstein had 537 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 6: doctors and nurses on his island to deal with the 538 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 6: issues of these girls that were raised as young as 539 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 6: eleven and twelve years old. John Luke Brunell brought over 540 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 6: blew Over at least a thousand girls to Epstein under 541 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 6: the guise of they're going to be models, We're going 542 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,239 Speaker 6: to make them models. And he brought them from all 543 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 6: these different countries, and they were abused. One girl even 544 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 6: tried to she was so frightened, a young girl, she 545 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 6: tried to think about swimming off the island the shark 546 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 6: confested waters off the island, only to have Jeffrey Epstein's 547 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 6: security detail bring her back and shamee her up in 548 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 6: her bedroom. This is a cover up of massive worship. 549 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 6: The Attorney General in the Virgin Islands, the former Attorney 550 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 6: General Denise George, after Epstein's death, once an investigation, she 551 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 6: was sickened by what she found from information, as you said, 552 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 6: from the people who worked at the airport, Girls as 553 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 6: young as eleven and twelve were getting off planes. What 554 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 6: the what Epstein would do? Would he would have them 555 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 6: dress up in college university sweatsher in an attempt to 556 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: make them look older as if they were in college, 557 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 6: but in fact these were children up. 558 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 5: Planes. 559 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: You know what, You just gave me chills all over 560 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: because that's kind of detail I look for when I 561 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: am trying to assess a witness's credibility again, to wear 562 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: out a phrase, it would be a cold day in 563 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: HGDVI L that I would put a witness on the 564 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: stand that I did not believe. But what you just 565 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: said that it was Epstein's idea to dress the little 566 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: girl some eleven twelve is when I heard you said 567 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: eleven in college sweatshirts and T shirts to make people 568 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: think that they were college aged. 569 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: I he just make up a fact like that. I 570 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: believe that. 571 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is information that the Attorney General turned up 572 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 6: in her investigation. And you know she said that the 573 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 6: state Epstein's estate, which he finally got to force a 574 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 6: compensation fund for the victims, that it was a criminal 575 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 6: conspiracy in terms of what went on over there. You 576 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 6: have to remember that after he received that slap on 577 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 6: the wrist conviction down in Florida in two thousand and eight, 578 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 6: he wanted to conduct his sex trafficking away from the 579 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 6: eyes of police in Florida and New York, and he 580 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 6: primarily moved his operation to the Virgin Islands, where he 581 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 6: had all these international fixers put these young girls on planes. 582 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 6: It is a cover up of massive proportion, and nobody 583 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 6: wants to investigate this except for a very few in 584 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 6: the government like Thomas Massey and Senator Roy Wyden, who 585 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 6: is going down a financial trail to try to determine 586 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 6: who Epstein paid from one billion dollars worth of wire 587 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 6: transfers that he turned up. So, you know, this is 588 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 6: something that still needs investigation, and we need to find 589 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 6: these men who are overseas. We need to find the 590 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 6: men who put these young girls on plane. 591 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 10: Virginia Geffrey's posthumous memoir Nobody's Girl, describes an excruciating detail 592 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 10: how Gallane Maxwell recruited her into Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring. 593 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 10: Virginia speaks to the reader, urging them to continue despite 594 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 10: the frequently stomach churning content. Virginia explains the content of 595 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 10: this book is crucial. It is imperative that the truth 596 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 10: is understood and that the issues surrounding this topic are addressed, 597 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 10: both for the sake of justice and awareness. 598 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: Theyved it. There's thousands of thousands of ages. 599 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: We've been told over and over and over that what's 600 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: in those files is shocking. 601 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: We're going to get rid of the deep state. We're 602 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: going to show you all of the files? Why not 603 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: release them? Lies? Lies? Lies? 604 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: What are they hiding? 605 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: What are they hiding? 606 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: Why not release the files? How many people have to 607 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: die by suicide before anyone pays attention to what happened 608 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 2: to these young girls? How are these clients still shrouded 609 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: in mystery, the editia of reliability and respectability? 610 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: How are they going about their lives like nothing happened? 611 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 2: I was speaking to Barry Levine, author of The Spider 612 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein, and Delaine Maxwell 613 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: about hardproof like a hospital visit with Jeffray's topic pregnancy, 614 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: But what about this? 615 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 10: One email includes a two thousand items spreadsheet detailing gifts 616 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 10: Epstein financed for powerful associates. 617 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: And his victims. 618 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 10: Some of the gifts include a fifty thousand dollars Steinway piano, 619 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 10: a sixty thousand dollars diamond necklace and earring set for Maxwell, 620 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 10: a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus for Epstein's lawyer's wife, 621 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 10: and a thirty five thousand dollars watch for one of 622 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 10: Clinton's apes. Maxwell also documents gift cards to lingerie shops, flowers, chocolates, 623 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 10: laptops and education and red payments made to victims. 624 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 625 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 2: Sidney Summer joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter looks like 626 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: the victims, the little girls. We're a lot cheaper to 627 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: buy off lingerie. Who needs another pair of underwear, flower chocolate, 628 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: a laptop, pay the rent. When a presidential aid got 629 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: a thirty five thousand dollar watch, someone else got a 630 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 2: Steinway piano, a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus, that's just 631 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 2: a tip of the iceberg. Sydney Sumner who was paid off, 632 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 2: got bribes, got so called gifts that were enabling child 633 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: sex trafficking. 634 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: Sydney. 635 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 11: Yes, that spreadsheet is just a staggering document to go through. 636 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 11: The records are just it's horrible looking at how easily 637 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 11: these young girls were paid off or appeased in some 638 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 11: way to continue performing what they performed for Jeffrey Epstein. 639 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 11: Their rent payments, payments for SAP classes, a laptop, and 640 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 11: there's other things, off road vehicles to the tune of 641 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 11: almost one hundred thousand dollars for a minor. These gifts, 642 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 11: we don't know how many of them were accepted. And 643 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 11: Clinton aide who was identified in those emails, denies that 644 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 11: he ever received that thirty five thousand dollars. Watch, but 645 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 11: it is just staggering how far Jeffrey epstein reach extended, 646 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 11: and Gallaine Maxwell facilitated and bought most of these gifts herself. 647 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: The two of them, the devil and his hitch person, 648 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: literally make me sick. 649 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: Listen to this that we've discovered about emails between the 650 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: two of them. 651 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 10: Ghlaine Maxwell insists she was not close with Epstein after 652 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 10: two thousand and three, but nearly six hundred and fifty 653 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 10: emails between the financier and socialite begged to differ. They 654 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 10: discuss his initial sexual abuse case gifts to both powerful 655 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 10: contacts and the miners they abused, plans to discredit women 656 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 10: raising allegations against Epstein and. 657 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: Shared fertility procedures. 658 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, right there in emails, gifts were being given 659 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 2: to the so called clients aka. 660 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: Dirty old men, and they're victims. 661 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: Why were these expensive gifts A fifty thousand dollars Steinway, 662 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: a seventy one thousand dollars Lexus and more and more 663 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 2: being given to the clients that the little girl then 664 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: little girl victims actually name? How can the US attorney 665 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 2: turn the other way. 666 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: It's such a sham. 667 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 2: I'm very curious the way that is being portrayed to us, 668 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 2: as if there are no files, there's nothing to see 669 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: while a monarchy is under siege. I'm talking about Fergie. 670 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: Listen. 671 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 10: Prince Andrews' ex wife, Sarah Ferguson is exposed and leaked 672 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 10: emails showing that while the Duchess of York publicly apologized 673 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 10: for her Epstein association, she privately apologized to him weeks later, 674 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 10: calling him a supreme friend. 675 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: In a twenty eleven interview, Fergie. 676 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 10: Says it was a gigantic error in judgment to accept 677 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 10: money from Epstein as she abhors pedophilia, but weeks later, 678 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 10: in a private email to Epstein, she humbly apologizes. Insiders 679 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 10: say Epstein threatened a lawsuit and Fergie sent her email 680 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 10: to appease him. Leaked email showing a fifteen year history 681 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 10: of money and friendship with Epstein is costing Sarah Ferguson 682 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 10: as at least seven major organizations cut ties with the Duchess. 683 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: Rob Shecheter joining as host of Naughty but NIC's podcast 684 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 2: and author of a new hit book. 685 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: It started with. 686 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: A whisper shooter. I loved Fergie from. 687 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: The get go. She and Diana my total favorites. 688 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 2: But now we know Fergie's gotten hundreds of thousands of 689 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 2: dollars from Epstein. He's been bailing her out of financial 690 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 2: woes for years, and she's still living the Champagne caviar lifestyle. 691 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute. 692 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 2: I don't know if they say this in the UK, 693 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 2: but here we say it when you don't know a horse. 694 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 2: Look at her track record. We know Fergie the Duchess 695 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 2: of York. Sarah Ferguson was caught on video in a 696 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 2: sting where she was accepting tens of thousands of dollars 697 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 2: to introduce somebody to Andrew. 698 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: So we know she will use her position and get 699 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: money for it. 700 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know what she was doing with all 701 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 2: of Epstein's money, but she gave this public apology. Oh, 702 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 2: I had no idea he was a pedophile and secretly 703 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 2: riding him. I'm so sorry I said that you're my 704 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 2: supreme friend. 705 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: What a load of bs. 706 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's grotesque, Nancise, absolutely grotesque, And it's another example 707 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 5: of rich and powerful people saying one thing publicly and 708 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 5: another behind the scene. I think, like you, I really 709 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 5: liked Fergie. I've met her several times, and now we've 710 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 5: realized the person that we thought she is she simply isn't. 711 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 5: And it's just another example of these awful people tricking us, 712 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 5: not just said victims, but all of us. This has 713 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 5: been a mass cover up and one that has been 714 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 5: really successful until now, and now, thankfully finally nice having 715 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 5: to change. 716 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 2: You know, we've got the Tian commandments, right, but there's 717 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: also the seven Deadly sins, and one of them is gluttony. Gluttony, 718 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 2: all the champagne, all the caveat, all the chauffeur limos 719 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,959 Speaker 2: waiting outside for eighteen twenty hours until she decides she's 720 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 2: not going to go. The mansions, the gifts, the stationary, 721 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 2: the clothes, what was She's spending millions of dollars on herself? 722 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: Nancy herself. 723 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 5: She made no money as a royal. She's living rent 724 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 5: free in her ex husband's house. She doesn't even have 725 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 5: her own apartment. She's staying with her ex husband. The 726 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 5: mistake we make when we think we know royalty is 727 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 5: we think they're really, really wealthy, and a lot of 728 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 5: them are, but many of them are not Nancy. They 729 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 5: live this fabulous life, but if you check in the 730 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 5: bank accounts, it's not a lot of money. And so 731 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 5: Sarah here was using people like Jeffrey Epstein to get cashed, 732 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 5: and in exchange, he was getting access to power and 733 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 5: access to cover ups. 734 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 2: She and Andrew were perfect for each other, feel so 735 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 2: bad for their daughters, Beatrice and Eugenie. Doctor Bethony Marshall, 736 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 2: her Spencer Coon and say his clients are afraid. I 737 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 2: guess so, because you've got Prince Andrew and the Duchess 738 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: of your cozying. 739 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: Up with Epstein. 740 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: Who's going to believe them over the British royal family 741 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, and presidents and wealthy individuals, CEOs of companies, 742 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 2: and these little girls were saying, hey, raped me. 743 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 9: Yes, these girls feel so disadvantaged. 744 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 5: You know. 745 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 9: One of the things I read in the Book of Virginda, 746 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 9: Jeffrey's book is that she would travel around the United 747 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 9: States with her ghostwriter trying to find people who would 748 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 9: corroborate the fact that she had been on the island 749 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 9: because she was so desperate to have some acknowledgment and 750 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 9: some justice. And then we see this vast cover up 751 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 9: that you're talking about this vast machine against which she. 752 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: Had no power. 753 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 9: She had no chance, Nancy, And that's what makes me 754 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 9: so sad about this. You know, a detail that I 755 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,720 Speaker 9: think is quite interesting because you were talking about evidence, 756 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 9: is that in her book she writes that she was 757 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 9: called to give a massage to a very wealthy, powerful 758 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 9: man whose wife was pregnant. It was at a hotel, 759 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 9: fancy hotel. She gives the wife a normal massage, the 760 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 9: wife goes to bed, she starts to give the husband 761 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 9: a massage, and then she realizes it's an abusive massage. 762 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 9: So she was sex trafficked. Once again. There that's yet 763 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 9: another story that you cannot make up. Who was that wife, 764 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 9: what did she know? Why is that person not coming forward? 765 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,760 Speaker 9: Is she covering up from her husband? People are covering 766 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 9: up for so many reasons. And all those gifts Jeffrey 767 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 9: Fstein gave. It's not only to pay people off, but 768 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 9: once they accept the gift, then they're complicit. 769 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: And we saw this with p. Ditty. 770 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 9: He would do things to make people complicit in his 771 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 9: crimes so that then they would not turn him in, 772 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 9: like taping them having sex with minors or whatever, and 773 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 9: then he would have that tape as evidence. So the 774 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 9: gifts are a way to get people into the full, 775 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 9: to get gifts back from them and to buy their silence. 776 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: A case is being built. 777 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 2: There are people that are fighting for these victims. If 778 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 2: you know or you think you know anything about this 779 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 2: case Epstein, Maxwell, the clients, or the client list, please 780 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 2: dial to zero two two two five three four six five. 781 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 2: Repeat to zero two two two five, three four six five. 782 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: Yes it's a Washington, DC number, but don't. 783 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,959 Speaker 2: Be afraid to zero two two two five three four 784 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: six five. We wait and pray as justice unfolds. And 785 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 2: now we remember an American Hero Officer, Lauren Craven le 786 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 2: Masa p D just twenty five, killed in the line 787 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 2: of duty, leaving behind as you can imagine, grieving parents 788 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 2: Karen and David American Hero Officer Lauren Craven Nancy Gray 789 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 2: signing off goodbye friend,