WEBVTT - Ep. 110: High Performance Muzzleloaders with Arrowhead Rifles 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.880 Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today's 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.959 guest is the owner of Airhead Rifles, Luke Krok. Arrowhead 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.560 is known for smoke with muzzloaders. They're getting more into 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.120 that custom center fire rifle and then also muzzlover components. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.400 How things going, Luke? Great? 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.840 Yeah, I just got back from a cow el con 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.639 over in New Mexico. So back at the grind, but 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.320 feeling feeling refreshed. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.040 Yeah. Nice. Nice. It looks like you and your dad 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.320 have been going out there for maybe a couple of 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.760 years doing the cow All cut. Yeah. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.080 He actually he went last year. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.080 He bailed on me this year because he's got He 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.479 drew on Range Rix in March and he's a kind 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.000 of a Midwest home body, so getting him out for 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.600 two hunts and the seas and is kind of tough. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.840 But yeah, yeah, so I took a buddy over this year. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.000 It looks like you guys were successful according to Facebook. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.640 uh you got you got to do any other hunting 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.800 or has that been it for the fall? Yeah? 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.800 Actually, Jim over there at Marsupial Gear. I went on 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.400 impromptu Angelo punt with him over in New Mexico as 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.360 well back in late August and got you know, like 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.600 a seventy inch buck had a fun hunt over there, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.640 and then I'll, uh, I'll head down to Mexico for 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.320 coups there in January. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.360 Yep, yep. We were just talking talking about that a 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:27.720 little bit ahead of the show. You know, we've been 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.680 you know Darr really well, and I've been going with 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.520 you know, Jay and Darr down there and it's it's 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.399 a it's a really fun hunt there south of the border. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.600 So this would be my first year not going in 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.880 four years. I'm a little a little sad that decided 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.640 to take on and help coach our high school boys basketball. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.160 So it'll be another little fun, fun adventure. But that 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:44.720 January hunt is going to get in the way of 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.920 that somehow take a year off. But yeah, So back 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.280 to like how how I got ahold of you? How 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.880 I you know, I guess introduced, you know, through me 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.800 just buying stuff because I didn't know what I was doing. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.880 I had bought a seven hundred ultimate muzzle order you 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.680 two years ago, Washington State where I live, changed the 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:08.000 ignition system law. Finally, you know, we had went from 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.520 we had number elevens and muskets, we went to two 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.960 on nine's were legal as long as they were open 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.720 and breached, and then ultimately they went to all modern 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.079 ignition system I believe, And don't quote me on any 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.359 of these, you know, to our listeners, don't quote me 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.240 on those. But I remember, like I shot just a 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.280 Northwest Traditions muzzli er forever because I knew I was 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.400 safe with muskets. And then I went right from that 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.640 gun to to the ultimate. And you know, I probably 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.000 do things wrong because I jump on the internet and 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.920 start reading, you know, and there's there's mixed reviews. But 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.720 one thing that started to jump out as I was 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.280 developing loads for this this ultimate was you can't load 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.119 too much, you know, black Horn two nine, because you're 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.800 gonna you know, I guess I'm gonna describe it way 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.799 worse than you can, but basically you're gonna start to 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.399 gas vent and gas cut your breech plug right right. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.360 So the yeah, these higher you know, higher performance muzzle loaders. Uh, 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.960 if you if you have leakage one time, generally you 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.360 get gas cutting, which is just you know, the the 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.400 gas escaping from the ignition, but it'll actually like burn 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.920 a channel through your breach plug. And you know you 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.120 may slow it down, but once once it leaks, once 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:23.800 it's just gonna get worse. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.359 Worse, worse, and keep cutting cutting back. So me, being conservative, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.200 didn't have time to mess with it. I I load, 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.480 and once again, don't check my math because I was 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.400 just doing it by volume. So I said, all right, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.480 one hundred grains by volume, which I think converted like 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.440 seventy three grains by weight, like a very mild load. Yeah, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.440 So I jumped down to just two hundred and fifty 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.000 grain federal borlock bullet. It was easy to load. I 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.760 got it to shoot well out to one hundred and 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.760 went hunted and killed an elk with that. But then 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.520 the more I read, the more I'm like, man, this 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.560 really intrigues me. These guys are getting you know, I'm 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.160 we're gonna put a disclaimer on all of these, like 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.480 my load data that we're going to talk about stuff 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.120 that Luke may talk about, like you need to work 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.360 up to all of those, like don't just take a 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.240 number and go put in your gun, because there's pressure, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.160 there's differences, like you need to make sure that works 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.040 in your gun, and it could be dangerous to go 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.680 out and do those. But you know, so you know, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.280 my mom always says, I'm the hardest guy to ever 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.000 buy for for Christmas. What do you want? I said, Well, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.840 if you can get me an arrowhead like Gen two 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.000 breach for this gun and some modules like that, that'll work. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.359 Like we'll we'll go with that. And so I didn't 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.960 have any intention of muzzloader hunting this year. Got lucky, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:35.920 drew a tag and realized that the muzzloader season I'm 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.320 not going to get in all the conditions of my tag. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.320 It's very complex, but basically I had to switch over 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.320 to a muzzloader on September twenty eighth, which I thought 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:42.960 I was gonna be able to use my modern rifle, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.760 but since there was a general mussloader season in that unit. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.360 So I'm like I was in a rush, you know, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.680 I was installing the and then you know we you know, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.360 thankfully the Gen too. You got pretty dialed. It worked, right, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.520 you know, the little go no gay gauge worked. I'm like, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.919 all right, got that by and went and developed a 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.280 and you know kind of was, you know, worried about 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.599 ordering bullets. I ordered some furry bolts from you, some 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.200 three hundred and twenty grain theories and got it all 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.359 set up, but I made some posts about it. And 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.840 the reason I've got you on as a guest is 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.520 I didn't realize how many questions there are about muzzloaders. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.599 It seems like nowadays, you go to order a custom rifle, 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.359 you pick a yeah, you pick a caliber that you like, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.880 you know, pick a stock that the gun builder recommends, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.119 and you're on your way. Where muzzleloaders there's it seems 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.800 to be like there's a little more unknown. And I 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.719 had a ton of questions about my setup, and I 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.080 realized at that point right there, I was not the 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.240 right guy to be answering those questions, and so I 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.760 wanted to bring you on. You know, I know there 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.760 are you know, some other builders out there, but arrow Head, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.159 you know, by far is is kind of the leading 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.920 you know, aftermarket muzzleoader component manufacturer, And that's why I 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.560 wanted to have you on, so you can answer all 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.040 these questions that have been brought to me, and you know, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.880 hopefully hopefully answer them a lot better than I can. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:57.840 Yeah. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.520 There, I mean, there's I think a lot with the 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.560 like you said, as center fire, it's kind of simplistic 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.520 relative to a muzzloader. And then there's just so many 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.440 variations of muzzleloaders out there, yep. And then you've got 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.640 just a load of different projectiles and powders, and I 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.680 can definitely get overwhelming. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.720 Yeah. And when I started, so I cut my teeth 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.000 muzzloder hunting, and it was my dad's way to extend 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.560 his season. I think is why I got because growing up, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.240 elk hunting was the right of passage. You could deer 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.240 hunt with a rifle when you were young, but elk 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.680 hunting was for the men. You know. They they would 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.119 go out. I live in an area with nothing but timber, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.040 so they would glass clear cuts for the first twenty 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.560 thirty minutes and then they were in the timber all day. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.400 And they didn't want to deal with a you know, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.400 a fifth or sixth grader. You know, I don't even 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.080 know how old for the traders are now, you know. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.080 So Dad would let me muzzloder hunt. It would extend 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.560 his season. We get the elk hunt more. But I 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.360 can remember back in the old days, we had lots 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.280 of opportunities, but you know, bad hang fires guns that 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.560 just wouldn't go off with three or four percussion. You know, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.679 you would try to reload and the gun just wouldn't 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.080 go off. I live in this you know, super wet Northwest, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.440 and so like my experience with muzzloaders originally was like 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.880 this is this sucks, like you can't you know. And 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.880 uh So as time goes on, the rules change, Washington rules, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.200 I would say, lax, whether you like them or not, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:19.000 they've allowed you know, more uh, you know, efficient, which 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.840 I do. Like, we're not hang firing and shooting an 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.680 elk and the you know, the wrong shoulder, the back, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.840 you know, whatever it may be. We're more accurate. But 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.320 I will say that these more modern mussloaders are definitely 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.840 more efficient and are probably allowing hunters to take more game. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.480 But I you know, at least we're not wounding them 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.880 or making bad hits. So now that was my original 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.360 introduction to muzzloaders was hang fires guns that just didn't 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.000 go off, or guns that weren't as accurate because we 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.960 were you know, maybe getting eighteen hundred feet per second, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.360 you know, sevente hundred fet per second out of the 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.720 barrel on these old you know, drop two pyrate ex 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.120 pelts down and stuff a bullet in, and so that 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.840 leads us to today. You know, the ultimate muzzloader seemed 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.640 to be like a big undertaking than you guys have 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.280 taken it, you know, way way farther with was smokeless, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.120 with you know, forty five caliber conversions even on the 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.600 black powder and black powder substitutes. Like where how fast 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.760 has like muzzleoader technology kind of changed, you know, from 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.520 I would say twenty to ten to even now, like 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.760 it seems to be a pretty you know, a pretty 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.160 quick developing I guess niche within in hunting market. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.480 Yeah, well, I think I started Arrowhead in two thousand 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.440 and eleven and that kind of came out if I 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 was started bought a I think it was two thousand 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.680 and six, two thousand and eight. Somewhere in that time, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.960 I'd bought the Savage ten mL two, which was, I 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:43.360 guess to this point, the first and only commercially available 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.760 smokeless powder capable muzzleoader, and there were some quite there, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.080 there were some deficiencies with that, and we'd started to 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.160 rebarrel them to forty five cow with a with a 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.240 premium aftermarket barrel. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.199 So you know, early on it was we kind. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.800 Of called it like the the Flying Hardware Store, because 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.880 like people are trying to figure out how to get 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.040 sabos to shoot well with the higher pressure and stuff 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.240 and washers and sub bases in there and all that stuff. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.760 So I feel like it's plateaued a little bit in 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.960 the last couple of years as far as the performance. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:24.959 But yeah, i'd say like from well, what it's been 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.199 thirteen years now since I started arrowhead, Like back then, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.960 two hundred yards was still kind of considered a longer shot, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.360 and you know now that's you know, we go straight 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.240 to four or five hundred yards. I still you know, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.120 people hear that four to five hundred yards and start 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.400 wringing their hands, the traditionalists do, which I mean, I 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:51.160 understand that, but I tried to pump the brakes on 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.160 people go into four or five hundred yards for hunting. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.080 I mean it, it's definitely doable, but guys are factoring 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.960 in wind drift and stuff like that. So we still 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.960 we'll see a lot of guys totally with you. You know, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.840 you need to just like any firearm bow whatever, you 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.640 had to get out there and put in your time 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.760 after range and and whatnot. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.559 But yeah, it's in the last decade. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.680 It's I mean, like I said, two hundred yards, which 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.520 used to be I'd rebarreled that Savage ten mL two 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.920 to forty five calend I had a bunch of antler 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.120 list tags. I was living back in Iowa at the time, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.920 and I think I killed three or four year in 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.280 like two to two hundred and fifty yard range, and 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.480 I was like hot. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:33.680 I thought it was hot stuff. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.640 I was definitely strutting around bragging all my buddies after that. Now, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.800 you know, two hundred yards, you know, you know that's 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.640 kind of considered average at this point. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.600 Yeah, And I remember my first my first experience with UH, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.520 with the Ultimate muzzleloader, which I know they make, you know, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.240 better aftermarket musslos or custom built, but I remember going 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.080 to New Mexico and my buddy loading up. I think 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.640 back then he was running like one hundred and three 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.000 greens by weight. You know. We'd sit there at the 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.480 little powder measure. I'm like, what are we doing all 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:03.920 this for? Like, we don't do that back home. You 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.720 just drop some pellets down, and then I went and 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.560 shought a I believe it was like a three shot 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.200 group of four hundred yards. Back when New Mexico didn't 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.640 have the limitations they do now, and we shot like 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.360 a four inch group at fo hundred yards and I 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.400 was just blown away. I'm like, this gun literally shoots 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.280 better than most factory rifles can shoot at that time. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.199 And that was you know back. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.360 Then, right, and even you know, like you take just 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.480 a factory Remington Ultimate or Night. You know, they've all 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.120 made off and on over the years, great muzzle oders 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:38.240 where you know, accuracy wasn't even necessarily the issue downrange. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.160 It was it was energy. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.800 Like we you know, I recalled tons of stories over 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.880 the years where somebody would have a buck at big 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.680 old Iowa white tail at two three hundred yards and 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.440 you know, their gun would shoot subma, so they'd line 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.960 it up and shoot and maybe they made a great shot, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:56.839 but you know a lot of times they didn't find 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.200 the year till next spring because the energy is is 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.720 petering off, like they're never getting an exit at that distance. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.320 So oh, we are pushing stuff a lot faster where 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.160 it's a lot more ethical to on the on the 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.160 killing side where you're actually getting exit wounds at three 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.239 four hundred yards so you recover those animals. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.600 Yeah, and that's where. You know, when I built my chart, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:20.760 I went and put it all in there, and then 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.360 I checked, like all right, at some point you're in 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.880 a out of energy, you're in an out of speed, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.560 and like, let's limit you know, anything to you know, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.400 three point fifty and in. Yeah, And my biggest limiting 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.640 factor is in my state is you're trying to do 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.079 all this with the one X scope and that red 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.280 dot SI has to get really big, you know, out 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.240 there at three hundred or you know, whatever it is. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.280 And and that was my limiting factor because the gun 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.959 and the load that we developed, we were we were 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.559 only getting you know, we were almost getting a little 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.280 over twenty one hundred feet per second I think out 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.880 of that three twenty. But it's a big bull. It's 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.319 got a BC a point two six, and so I 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.000 would just look, I'm like, all right, you know, this 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.560 is where we should cut it, and this is where 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.320 my scope with you know, one one rotation of the turret, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.400 like I'm out of elevation. So we went out there. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.280 You know, I've got a really good rifle range right 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.240 here in my backyard, Like confirmed, I could hit a 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.600 you know, eight by I think it's an eight by 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.119 ten rectangle at three hundred and thirty yards like consistently 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.080 every shot. It does take a little dancing, like moving 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.840 the dot. Are we on the target? You know, left 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.600 right up, down, like you're trying to dance that little loophole. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.800 I use a loophold red dot, you know, trying to 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.160 dance the size of that and can you still see it? 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.800 And you know, the gun, as long as I had 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.079 a good rest and could take my time, you know, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.120 the gun was capable of three hundred thirty yards all 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.080 day long. The limiting factor was just that stinking you 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.320 know one x. I had no magnification, and so you're 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.840 just you know, trying to make that work. And that's 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.719 where I say, everything kind of dialed and I can 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.240 shoot that far. I can dial that far. The energy 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.040 is still good there. But you go much farther, I'm 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.040 gonna have to, you know, either find a newer load 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.640 that's pushing faster, a lighter bullet. And then that's when 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.240 you know, we had talked a little bit like well, 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.720 maybe you know, if you really want to get more, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.240 you know, go down to forty five. And I think 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.679 that's because you can get your speeds up and keep 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.960 the energy up a lot longer or a lot farther 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:56.440 out there. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, more more speed and then higher blistic coefficient. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.160 So yeah, it maintains them further out. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.400 So that'd be like the next step, you know, if 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.720 we didn't want to shoot the stock fifty kel remonton 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.080 now or I've got to ask, are there in like 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.320 once you add your guys as a breach. You know, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.640 we've got the stock, Remington barrel. I've had a little 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.360 bit of trigger work done just by like a local 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.840 local gunsmith. You'll lighten it a little bit for me, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.480 cut the spring, and then you know, put it back together. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.720 Is there anything else that like, you know, it's probably 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.720 good enough for ninety nine percent of the muzzliter hunters 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.200 out there at that point, right once you put the 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.960 breach and can push it a little farther, or there's 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.440 some inherent like is there a bad stock? Is the stock? 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.400 You know? Are there some things that you would say. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.800 Yeah, I mean, well, like yours that the Remington Ultimate, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.480 I think they have two flavors of it. One in 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.600 a laminate woodstock. There's no aluminum pillars in the woodstock 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.080 or anything like that, so you I mean they're like 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.920 if you were going to break it down from an 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:59.160 inherent accuracy thing, you know, pillar betting that stock would 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.800 potentially improve things for you. I mean as a you know, 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:07.480 the fundamentals of accuracy between like a rifle and the 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:12.800 muzzle that are still there. So whether those changes are gonna, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.120 you know, on a stock gone like that, if you're 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.000 even gonna you know, see an measurable improvement, you know, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.440 as questionable. But I mean those are like if you were, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.800 you know, a hobbyist and just had time to putts 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.200 around and wanted to ring the absolute most accuracy out 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.520 of it, that's something you could do. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:31.040 I mean. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.560 The other stock they have is Bella Carlson the M forty. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.680 It's got the the integral aluminum block and it I 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.280 haven't I mean, you can skim bed those as well, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.800 but I haven't really seen much benefit to doing stuff 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:44.240 like that. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:49.400 Gotcha? Gotcha? Okay, Well we're gonna jump into some listener questions. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.440 Those are brought to you by Pendleton Whiskey. They sponsor 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.200 our question and answer segment. 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They used to be two 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.960 hundred and eighties. I believe ordered the two eighty fives. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.760 And of course, once again I go back to the 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.920 internet reading and they're like, oh, not that the two 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.840 eighty fives are inaccurate, but people tend to have better 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.680 luck with the three twenties, like flying more consistent so 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.760 I that's why I called you guys up. Hey, I 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.280 just put an order and I think it's wrong. Can 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.240 you send me the three twenties or can we we 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.239 redo This'm shooting a three hundred and twenty grain universal 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.440 fit Fury, which we're going to get into that universal 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.680 fit here in a little bit. I want to ask 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.159 all of questions about, like, you know, bullets that are 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.480 fit to the barrel, how you how you accomplish that? 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.680 But mine was the universal fit. It's got a little 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.800 plastic disc on the back of the fury, and I'm 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.840 going to speculate. Luke can correct me if I'm wrong. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.280 It's probably slightly oversized so that it can fit everything 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.840 from like a five OHO two barrel down and it 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.240 probably deforms us a little bit as you're loading it, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.399 so it makes sure to get that gas seal. Is 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:29.879 that correct? 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.479 Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's correct. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.960 And then I'm shooting black Horn two O nine and 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.840 I'm shooting one hundred and six grains by weight, And 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.560 once again, I'm going to say it again, don't put 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.439 that in your muzzleoder if it's not you know, set up, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.080 or it's not recommended with your breach for your gun, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.440 and your gun can handle those type of pressures, but. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.000 Mine as a manufacturers recommended Yeah, yeah. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.359 So that is that is a Remington Ultimate muscloader with 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.200 luke and arrowheads, upgraded breach and their ignition system which 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.639 uses a I'm using cc I two fifties, you can 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.320 use Federal two fifteens whatever, basically a large magnum rifle 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.720 primer in your guys' modules. And that's really all I 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:15.560 have done to the gun. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.280 Yeah, and like you, you're seeing great accuracy out of it. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.119 Out of that, I mean, what we've really found is 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.720 a lot of the factory mussloaders out there, Remington Knight, you. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.320 Know, build a good, good mussloader. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.320 Like the barrels are generally very accurate, Like where they're 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:41.520 often deficient is the ignition system. So we you know, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.159