WEBVTT - "FEELING THORNY!" w/ LAUREN GUSSIS! 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.840 Hi you guys, It's me Arden. I hope you little 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:06.640 bunnies are doing okay out there. I know it was 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.600 another week with no main episode. Thankfully we have got 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.120 you covered. And if you guys are really jones ng 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.040 HBO Max right now is airing Bachelor in Paradise Australia 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.599 season one, which in my opinion is the greatest season 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.560 of the Bachelor I have ever watched. And uh, we 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.400 did it on Patreon with Brian Sofie. If you go 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.720 on our Patreon page. Um, it's down at the It 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.000 was like one of the very first episodes we ever recorded. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.360 It's the very first episode with it is called Writing 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.480 the Bipolar High with Brian Sofie in two seventeen. So 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.040 just go if you if you're interested and you're like 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.360 art and I need to be watching a narrative because 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.400 Bachelorette is now not coming out until mid October. And 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.600 if you're jones ing, you can join our Patreon. You 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.160 can go on Bachelor in Paradise Australia season one, you 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.759 can listen along. And we're still doing new things. We're 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.680 still doing Bachelor in Paradise bet Uh sorry Bachelortte New Zealand. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.840 We're doing Real Housewives of New York. So we're doing 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.559 six episodes a month of new content and then there's 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.880 all the old archives. And I gotta tell you the 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.600 Bachelor in Paradise, Australia one is fantastic. Um, we have 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.319 another episode of Feeling Thorny, and I really appreciate everything 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.160 that you guys have been reaching out with and I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.560 just wanted to say, we're gonna be back next week 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.880 with a new episode. We're gonna be breaking down the 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.800 Nick Vial Bachelor Best of Season with your boy Jerry 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:42.039 Trainer and uh, your new fave Miles Gray, and we 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.679 have Alison Rosen joining us, so that'll be really fun. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.000 And in the meantime, I'm gonna read two emails and 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.800 some of the reviews if you want to. And you guys, 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.360 thank you so much everybody who's been ordering the book. Um, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.880 it comes out. It'll be almost a month from today. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.960 It comes out September twenty nine. And my goal is 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.559 if I get on a New York Times missseller lists, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.760 I'm going to throw a show in my mom's yard 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.040 in Rhode Island. I'm gonna make my brother let me 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.160 do it, and I still have that offer that we uh. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.120 I paired up with UM Premier Collectibles where you can 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.160 get the hardcover book and you can get a signed 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.720 book plate and you can get a little Miss Compton 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.440 canvas tote, all for the price of just the book. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.360 It's the first two d and fifty people who ordered 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.919 get that, and then the second two fifty just get 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.040 the sign book plate. And then I have another special 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.440 exciting thing I'll tell you at the end of this. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.520 So here's some funny emails we got UM. This is 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:48.080 from Nicole Richet and it's Houston's and a long lost Hello, 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.280 dear art m Hi. I've been meeting to write you 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.120 an email forever like over a year. But what prompted 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.520 me to finally do it is because I have a 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.240 mutual shared love for Houston's. I used to live in Boston. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.440 I went to the Hughes into Fante Hall all the time. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.639 They've since closed it, which is heartbreaking, but man, it 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.680 was a good time. I'm not sure to remember me, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.680 but we've actually met a few times before. Back in 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.359 the nine two thousand, I was a casting assistant in 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.160 l a and I worked for Mallie Finn Malle adored 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.120 you and you were always on her list. Yeah, Mallie Finn, Yes, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.320 Mallie Finn. You came into the office several times for auditions. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.520 I mentioned you to a friend of mine Andrew Mudge, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.120 and um, you're always in nice and I followed your 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.359 career and of course Instationable. I absolutely love your podcast. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.040 I've been listening to it for a few years. It 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.760 brings me a lot of joy. It makes me laugh 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.000 so much, whether you're talking about the Bachelor franchise or 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.720 life in general. It is fantastic. Thank you for being 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.120 so open about your life and it's a blast to 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.000 hear someone I kind of know. I know Quarantine has 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.040 been rough for everyone, but you've been really a bright 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.160 spot for me. Thank you for your honesty and humor. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.400 I just wanted to say you're doing a great job 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.040 and I'm always rooting for you. I follow you on Instagram. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.080 I love your post, especially dancing in the kitchen after 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.560 getting highlights. Can we to keep listening. I'm halfway through 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.320 the episode with Wells and it's a lot of fun. 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.480 I hope you're well. Have a nice and thank you 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.840 for being so fabulous. Sincerely, Nicole Riche Nicole, I just 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.560 wanted to say and to all of our fans that 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.720 email in Truly, it means so much to me. It's 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.520 so like, I love this, I loved Molly fan, I 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.680 love like I feel like we're all in this together. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.719 I mean, look, as you know which from listening to me, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.279 this is a freaking journey and it takes a village, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.200 and even if it's like an audio virtual village, you 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.760 guys are the sweetest, sweetest group of people around and 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.440 I have felt all of your support personally over the 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.160 last few years, and I hope you feel my support 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:44.520 now because I've made it through some craziest things and 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.599 I'm just telling you this this at some point in time, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.480 we will get through this. This two shall pass. This 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.440 two shall pass, and it may not be your best 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.480 year ever, but you don't need to make it your worst. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.560 It's okay. You can still have a little bright spot. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.280 Here's one more email that to made me laugh so hard. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.440 This is called the subject is Mesnick and the Past 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:10.120 and the Passion Bucket. Rebecca Germano emailed us and she says, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.839 I recently high Art and Katie, Tanna and the rest 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.839 of the Real Excepts group I recently said, listen to 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.640 your fabulous Rocky tribute episode recapping the Jason Mesnick got 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.679 three hours slog no ship that these are long man. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.600 The new Rookie crew was on fire, but the discussion 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.600 as to whether or not Jason Mesnick was attractive reminded 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.159 me of a time in twenty Town when I was 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.680 suffering through working at the Gap Let's not get into 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.200 that in a Seattle suburb, my coworkers started freaking out 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.760 because the bachelor was in the store. Not having watched 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.240 the show at the time, I was shocked when I 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.719 saw him, as he discussed he was one short, but 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.640 two he seemed to be exuding no sexual energy. So 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.920 I was really confused as to why my female co 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.400 workers were all a twitter. Given that Arden once proclaimed 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.760 herself the chief Unich Inspector, which I don't remember but 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.080 is incredible, she probably would have a better read on 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.320 the situation, but I thought I would share those first 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.920 impressions during the episode. I kept waiting for art And 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:06.919 to bring up one of the best tweet of the 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.479 weeks ever, which happened on the Aread finale episode after 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.839 Chris Harrison said it looked like Jason's passion boocket is full. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.760 The hero listener tweeted, passion book itt is what Jason 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:26.520 calls his wife's asshole. Ah so good. I really listened 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.719 to that episode of your podcast. I confirm I was 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.120 remembering correctly, and I ended up bursting out laughing again 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:38.400 numerous times. It's so so freaking bunny. And if my 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.279 voice wasn't burned out from doing a eight podcast today, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.360 it would sound like a heartier left. It's so funny 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.040 to me. Paget and Aaron are amazing, as well as 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.120 Art and Katie and Tanna. And the last thing Aaron 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.360 said on the podcast was, you know, I like a 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.000 good low hanging ball on my clavical. Now, whenever Jason 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.320 has brought up on your show or your podcast, I 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.159 immediately think of Passion Bucket and the gap. You and 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.520 your friends and really except this Rose crew are truly 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.120 a goddamn delight, and the Mary Ship show you put 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.279 out is a joy. The humor in it, in the 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.120 words of the new Rookie Trio, makes me feel seen 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.840 and heard and representation matters. I cannot wait to receive 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.680 my copy of Little Miss Little Comptent, and please keep 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.800 up the lord's work. This world of Ding Dong's needs it. Rebecca. Also, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.520 I would again once again like to shamelessly nominate myself 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.480 for the Listener episode that you have been teasing. Okay, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.160 you guys, it is next week. This is it. You 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:36.040 guys officially have two days to email us. Okay, So 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.080 this is coming out on Friday. We're going to decide 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:44.080 on Sunday, whatever the next rookie episode is. We're going 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.320 to have three guest fan fan co hosts that are 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.880 gonna zoom in and do the podcast with us. So 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.239 if you want to nominate yourself for a friend because 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.200 people have been doing it, you've got two more days 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:02.960 to do it, okay. Um. Also, I gotta tell you, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.440 I asked you shamelessly. We're trying to get over a 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.240 thousand likes on iTunes. I know it's dumb. It shouldn't matter. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:18.640 I agree with you. Sadly, people seem to care about it. So, um, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.760 here's the deal. You have been doing it and we 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.600 appreciate it, and all of the like like numbers are 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.960 going up, all the review numbers are going up, so 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.200 like that is awesome. And so if you have it 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.480 and you just go just go click click, go perfectly 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.400 a five star review. That's awesome. Go click the review 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.480 thing And if you want to leave an actual review, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.680 Chef's Kiss They're so good, here we go. So here's 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.160 a review. We only got one actual review, so if 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.080 you want to be read, it's a pretty guaranteed thing 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.400 that you're gonna be read if you leave us an 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.240 actual review. This week five stars. Lori is my queen 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.920 by stay at home Dog Mom. This podcast is single 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.199 handedly getting me through the pandemic arden undertake on the 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.760 Bachelor franchise of the laughs that keep me from crying 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.600 during this roller coaster of a year. Yes, honey, that's 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.960 what we're here for. Although we have come to realize 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.000 that we have little control over anything during this dumpster 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.800 fire every year, this podcast is one of the few 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.960 things that bring a small amount of consistency and routine 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.480 to my week. I find myself laughing out loud to 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.959 her and her co hosts response, and I'm always in 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.720 awe of Laurie's supreme historical knowledge of Bachelor Nation. This 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.000 podcast is a gem of a show has protected my 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.680 heart during troubled times, and We'll always have my rose 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:41.240 stay at home Dog is a beautiful podcast review. Thank 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.719 you so much. UM. So here we are, Here we are. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.720 I'm gonna give you an intro. I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.160 leave you with one final exciting thing that's coming up. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.720 We've been doing the in depth, intimate feeling thornis where 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.760 we get to know people and this was inspired by 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.280 me writing my book Little Miss Little Compton as comes 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.760 out in a month. UM. We've done one with Rob Benedict. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.640 We did one with Um the star of Wrong Missy 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.559 and Orange his new Black, Lauren Lattis. We did one 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.320 with Wells Adams Um from the Bachelor franchise, and I'm 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.040 really excited this one was I. I was so excited 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.400 to sit down with this person. UM, I don't. I 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.560 was on this show on Netflix called Instaable for the 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.960 last two seasons and it was the first time that 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.679 I had a female showrunner. It was created by a woman. UM. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.400 Most of the directors were either women or gay men. UM. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:40.240 We had mostly female producers and it was such a pleasure. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.400 It was so inspiring. I loved this woman so much. UM. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.120 I talked to today our creator and our showrunner and 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.520 the brilliant writer Lauren Gusus and she wrote on Dexter 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.880 I think for the entire run that it was on 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.200 for like for like five six seven years. I mean, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.240 she's a terrific writer, and she's brave and she's fearless, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.320 and she was a fun boss and she unapologetically was 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.800 a woman in charge in a way that was like 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.560 a joy to be witness and fun to work for. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.679 I always wanted to do a good job for her, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.880 and I always felt free and accepted enough to take 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.160 chances and take risks. And I felt like if she 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.120 picked you, she thought you were talented and she let 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.080 you do your thing. And so you know, as a 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.280 writer myself, um, it was really fun for me to 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.560 sit down and pick the brain of somebody that you know, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.040 I get nervous when I pitched things. I contend to 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:43.160 doubt myself. I get my little weirdo social anxiety, and 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.720 to talk to somebody that seemingly so effortlessly has just 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.800 shown up for herself. And so I'm so excited for 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.080 you guys to hear this and so much of me talking. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.920 But here's the final thing. I'm really excited about this. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:00.320 But um, we're doing kind of like a virtual book 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.920 party like a book release party, like a show. And 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.679 it's the same place that we did the live UM 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.199 Draft Picks the Dynasty Typewriter, which is such a cool theater, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.840 and they're doing all these virtual shows and so that 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.720 means you can from any time zone you can come 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.160 to the show. And what's cool about it is five dollars, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:23.960 so you know, you don't have to fly in, you 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.920 don't have to get a hotel like and even if 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.640 it wasn't like COVID times, you know, this is a 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.160 five dollar commitment and even if you're not available, the 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.920 link is good for a full week afterwards, you can 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.560 watch it. UM. So we're doing our show. It's gonna 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.920 be me and Lauren Laz. It's a book party. I'm 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.880 gonna do UM and it's before the book comes out, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:49.480 like the weekend before. It's UM Saturday, September at five 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.920 pm Pacific time. Uh, and it's gonna be me and 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:59.600 Lauren Laciz. People can email in any questions and you 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.079 can order a book through there where you can get 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.319 a customized book plate. So if you want to give 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.080 it as a gift to somebody and you want it 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.560 written out to them, or if there's a certain like 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.280 if you want it written out to yourself you can 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.160 get if you buy it. If you order the book 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:16.800 through you don't have to get a book. You can 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.280 just come for the show. But Skylight Books, which is 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.400 a super cool bookstore in Los Angeles, is partnering with it, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.360 and you can get the book with a special like 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.640 custom message, which is kind of fun. And so this 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.440 is my book release party and I hope you guys 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.440 will come. I'm sure we'll talk some Bachelor stuff. So 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:39.480 that is um September at five pm. So much talking. Okay, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.880 we'll be back next week and breaking down um Nick 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.000 File season with the Rookie. All right, you guys have 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.640 a good time. I'm sorry I chewed your ear off. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.719 I hope you guys are all doing okay. I hope 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.760 you're all hanging in there. I hope everybody with kids 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.000 it's back to school and it's still at home or 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.320 not at home, or if you know, if you have 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.680 any six loved ones or you're not doing well, like 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.319 just know that your little friend Arden is just I'm 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.520 sending you lots of love and I'm thinking about you, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.400 and I know everybody's doing the best. That they can 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.679 and um, I appreciate your time and your well wishes. Okay, bye, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.800 Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:21.400 I Heart Radio. You know what time it is. It's 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.800 time for hard to get a little close and a 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:33.280 little thorny. Woa, Wellton's gonna go one on one, gonna 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:38.120 be hot, energy, fun convos are gonna be super real, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.600 and she wants to get with you and all the 0:14:40.720 --> 0:15:04.440 fields feeling thorny, feeling whoay, feeling thorny? We're not Marie? Yeah, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:08.920 Oh my god? Have you probably never heard this? I'm 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:15.160 an idiot. Oh my gosh, I made this So were 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.920 you accepted me inviting you to my podcast and making 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.200 you a little I'm gonna a close? Oh my god? 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.000 Can you yeah? I commissioned, I had a vision. Oh 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:34.880 my god, is it right? Oh my god, Oh my god, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.760 I can think you're so much. Oh my god. Welcome 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.520 to a very special bonus podcast. If we accept this Rose, 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:47.600 we're in our offshoot. Feeling thorny. Okay, my friend who 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.760 is here has never heard that song and the look 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.760 on her face, why, like I felt like I just 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.600 gave you the gaft. It was like half joy and 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.000 half Wildest Comfort is exactly right. Well, when I had 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.320 a vision for this, just a little backstory on this podcast, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.200 I'd never watch I didn't watch much reality TV. I'd 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.840 never watched The Bachelor or anything, and like four years ago, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.520 I somebody made me watch it and I was like, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.400 I'm not a garbage person. I have like better things 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:24.600 to do, Dan Martin and and I watched it and 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.800 I was like, oh my god, Like I don't watch 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.920 sports or anything, but I became obsessed with like the 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.280 gaming of it. And then I saw on Twitter that 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.640 all of my favorite people like that, all these funny 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.080 people watch it, and I was so I had this 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.040 fever dream on a mountain in Vermont New Year's Eve, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.880 like sledding one year, and I was like, I need 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.240 to make a podcast so I can talk about it 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.240 with people. And I feel like I finally had a 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.120 hobby for the first time of my life. And so 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.720 I commissioned. I hired Mark Rivers, this genius who writes 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.680 for like adult swim and stuff. I was like, I 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.560 need you to write me a song that feels like 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.800 very white slash, like a homeless man is jumped out 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.480 of a bush and like breathe on your neck and 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.680 just on your feet, and I feel like he executed 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.280 that nailed at Um, you are hearing the voice of 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.760 a person. And part of the reason I'm expanding the 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.560 podcast right now, um is outside of the Bachelor franchise, 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.440 is that I am a person with social anxiety who 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.280 built this podcast, and I thought it was just going 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.160 to be me sort of joking around about The Bachelor, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.359 and what I found is as a nervous, awkward human 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.480 who seems an outgoing but it's actually like a super freak. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.720 I've been able to get to know people, and I've 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.639 had so much fun and it's been so good for 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.040 me as a human being that I started taking more 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.480 chances in life and eventually I sold a book, and um, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.920 this is leading up to my book. You preorder now 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.320 on Amazon, little Miss Little Compton. But um, it's it's 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.359 sort of I wanted to bring people in and a 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:58.679 lot of my book is dealing with, um, you know, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.600 my parents married on a dare. They weren't dating, and 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.199 they weren't you know, they were never a couple and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.080 they stayed married for fifty years. And um, so my 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.200 roadmap was a little bit off and so I wanted 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.760 to bring people in who I respect and I admire 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.400 and who I feel like live their lives very authentically 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.159 and who might have also had sort of quirky roadmaps 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.840 and just talked to them about themselves. So with me today, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.160 a long introduction. UM, as you know, I talked about 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.040 it all the time. I'm on this show and stage 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.560 of a lot Netflix, which is my favorite job I've 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.600 ever had. And I probably you've I talked about you 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.800 actually a lot in the book, But UM, I I know, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.760 I really I've never been on a show. Um, I've 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.480 never been on a show run by women or a woman. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.879 Um I've and I've just to you know, they always 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.639 say like you can't it's hard to be it if 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.119 you can't see it. And just like watching you navigate, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.119 birthing the show, defending the show, and then being the 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.760 joy of like the captain of the show within my perspective, 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.479 with like a strong but light touch, like it's yours, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.160 but it's I feel like people have room to play. UM, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.200 and I just wanted to bring you on our creator, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:17.560 our showrunner, Lauren Guess. It's nice to you. It's true. Um, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.040 I feel like our show really has a lot of 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.680 like just the seeds of the creation of it are 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.679 it feels like you gave your voice to your inner teenager, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.680 like my inner A lot of stuff like my inner shames, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.480 sort of like the shadow self. And I don't know, 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:35.760 there's a lot of stuff in the show that I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.600 felt like when I say shadow self now in the 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.439 Stay and Age, then I have to qualify that by 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.840 saying it's things that probably I shouldn't have had shame 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.760 about did, like what like the lgbt Q stuff. Clearly 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.159 there's no shadow of that, but the shadow self was 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:51.480 a part of me that felt like I needed to 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.360 keep that in the shadow. Well, I can also say 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.520 from me growing up, you know, when I think about 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.080 a lot of my friends who didn't come out till 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.680 after college, like no one was out, There was no 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.399 There was not one person out in my high school. 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.440 There was one person in my high school, and I 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.240 think they came out the year after I left. Guy 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.800 or a girl. Guy, how did how did people treat him? 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.840 I think fine. I think it was like not a secret, 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.720 so people were fine. But I can't tell you like 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.520 most of my close group of friends came out, including 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.320 my boyfriend by the way came out in somewhere or 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.480 another after we left. It's an interesting thing just talking 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.240 about shame. When I think about, you know, like when 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.160 I when I wrote the proposal from my book, um 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.879 a lot of it. I think I think it was 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.280 more negative, like I had my my dad was tough 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.440 growing up them and like on the one handle, lot 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.360 of my family was really fun, but like my dad 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.560 is pretty nasty, and I think I had so much, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.440 like shame was such a huge part of my identity. 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.480 I think I still struggle with it. It's sort of 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.800 my default if I'm tired, if I'm not checking in 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.879 with people, like it just washes over me. But I 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.680 recently literally recently, meaning in the last probably thirty six hours, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.840 had a therapist tell me that my relationship to shame, 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.400 like the shame is the whole mansion in my life, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.000 Like it's a mansion. And she said, you need to 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.119 make it a closet. And I said, perhaps not the 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.520 best analogy considering my history. And literally she goes, if 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.000 I was closer to you, I would poke you with 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.600 my foot. Let's make it a condo instead of a 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:26.440 giant man. Um. Yeah, I honestly think and then I 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.119 mean not to be super dark, but like just and 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.959 I don't believe in accident. So they literally I've been 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.320 trying to sell this book for years and the day 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.679 that the offer came in was the day of my 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.880 mom's funeral, which is so crazy. They were like, hope 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.080 you're having a great week. It's like, not really. But 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.840 do you say that though, because that's the thing, you 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.840 can say anything. But I was recently having a conversation 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.880 with somebody about that, like the social norm of when 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.639 someone says how are you, you don't really you're not 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.200