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Speaker 1: Well, well, well, well, well, hi everybody, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Rene stup Center's podcast. Before Hannah got on, I said,

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Speaker 1: don't say anything, because I want to keep everything for

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Speaker 1: the listeners, tennis people, tennis fans. I have Hannah Burner

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Speaker 1: back on the show today because and some of you

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Speaker 1: might be thinking, who's Hannah Burner? Well, if you don't

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Speaker 1: know Hannah Burner is, get out from under your rock,

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Speaker 1: because Hannah is everywhere. May I just say I like

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Speaker 1: doing this before you get on We ride at Dawn

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Speaker 1: on Netflix. If you still haven't seen that, get on it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, one of the two funniest people on Giggly Squad.

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Speaker 1: Of course I give Page all the love on that one.

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Speaker 1: You are just finished a None of Your Business tour

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Speaker 1: which you were on the road. Every time I talk

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Speaker 1: to you, I was like, where the fuck are you now?

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Speaker 1: You're in some god forsaken city all over the place.

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Speaker 1: You've been killing it, Hannah. And on June fifth, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure we say this at the end

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Speaker 1: June fifth.

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Speaker 2: You've got a specialist.

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Speaker 1: Man, got another special coming out on Hulu. You are

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Speaker 1: just everywhere, But more importantly, you love tennis ladies. Hannah Burner,

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Speaker 1: who watches more tennis than me.

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Speaker 2: It is. I'm so grateful to be on to talk

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing with my favorite person and an icon

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Speaker 2: a legend. V RS renee rs doesn't hit as well

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Speaker 2: as I thought it would, but no.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. Knows you can throw my middle name in

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Speaker 1: a Patricia. What's your middle name?

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Speaker 2: Lucy?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I mean you were you were made to be

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Speaker 1: a comedian obviously, right.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't think of me differently.

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Speaker 1: Well, mine's Patricia.

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Speaker 2: I know. I didn't want I was. I wasn't gonna

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Speaker 2: say anything about that. Hannay, let's move forward.

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Speaker 1: That's that's cute.

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Speaker 2: See me preparing for this part. I literally was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: tell me, well, I always have it on. I always

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Speaker 2: have to channel on. But I was like, because sometimes

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Speaker 2: I'm watching too many of the girls matches, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what are the boys doing?

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Speaker 1: Well? If you listen to my podcast, Caitlin and I

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Speaker 1: usually go want while, let's talk about the guys. Wait, no, sinner,

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Speaker 1: who cares? It's insane?

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Speaker 2: But okay, tell me what happened with Zverev this morning?

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Speaker 2: Because you were texting me and I was out and

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Speaker 2: about and a love set for a man is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well it's crazy, Hannah. You actually text me and you said,

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Speaker 1: is he tanking? And actually scary, No, he was not

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Speaker 1: tanking the third he was definitely not tanking. He just

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Speaker 1: this is how I describe him. We have a particular

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Speaker 1: name for him that I will not say on this pod,

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Speaker 1: but we do use it on a friendship basis with

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Speaker 1: you know, several of us, including Caitlin and pet Co

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Speaker 1: and I just I find him to be such a baby. Right,

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Speaker 1: So he had match points in the second set. He's

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Speaker 1: playing against this Italian you know, you get. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've played in Italy, I've played in Rome. It's a

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Speaker 2: And I feel like you're a gladiator with a tiger

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's such a pussy on the biggest points.

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Speaker 1: And may I just say, like, I did write down

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Speaker 1: a couple of things because instead of like going for winners,

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Speaker 1: he like, he's such a whiss. He had a passing

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Speaker 1: then and then he just missed in the third and

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Speaker 1: the guy was like hanging in. It was too love

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Speaker 1: to Daderi and he was forty love on his serfs

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Speaker 2: echelon after Sinner, that he's like with Alcarez. And one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And you cannot. Not only can you not

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Speaker 2: And he I have a question for you. Would you

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Speaker 2: but never have that nightmare when you go to sleep

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I think I would go

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Speaker 1: with getting there and knowing that I was I woshed out,

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Speaker 1: but I know that there's a potential that I could

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Speaker 1: just that would just mean ill wasn't very good, you

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Speaker 2: I would say what about me? Because I agree with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think it makes you more interesting when

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Speaker 2: you've messed up. But I think it's Vera's Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: very interesting how that match still is tattooed in my

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Speaker 2: how he feels. But that's sport, and some of your

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Speaker 2: But he's he's teetering, he's still there, like he still

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Speaker 1: All over and he has a chance. If Sinner does

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Speaker 1: But then but see, this is what bothered me and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would have said, look, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think his biggest problem is that he has his

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Speaker 1: to say, either you step up here or I'm out

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Speaker 1: as you know, Hannah, when you're bad, technically it's all downhill.

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Speaker 2: Are we pulling your fingers now?

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know if there was a match that

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Speaker 1: clearly hasn't left your brain, because yeah, what's the worst

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Speaker 2: Oh? God, well, you know what, one of the worst ones.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's more of the feeling. I had a match.

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Speaker 2: Oh this was dark, but college dark is getting was

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Speaker 2: so crazy and it was every week and you're just like,

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Speaker 2: and you're just fighting for your life. You're waking up

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Speaker 2: at six am every morning. And I definitely have bad

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Speaker 2: ADHD and that didn't help. But I'm not making excuses.

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Speaker 1: Hence the comedy.

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Speaker 2: I showed up and I'm playing Northwestern and I in

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Speaker 2: the first set six three, I'm up six three three two,

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Speaker 2: and I'm playing. Well, everything's good.

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Speaker 1: I help me out here. Let me I'm gonna break

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Speaker 1: out a badger hat for you.

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Speaker 2: Goody be edgeres, cool be edgers, goopy edges.

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Speaker 1: For those of you can't see because this is a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm I just put on a Where did you even

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Speaker 1: get that my neighbor? I told you my neighbors are badgers.

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Speaker 1: You went to school at the same time together.

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Speaker 2: They're everywhere.

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Speaker 1: They just had a baby. Come on, Hannah, carry out,

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Speaker 2: So this is so college tennis story. I break my string,

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Speaker 2: I go back to get a racket. I realize all

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Speaker 2: grabbed broken string rackets clearly like I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: on top of it. I'm not organized, and that's how

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Speaker 2: And I'm always teetering with the anxiety. So like now

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Speaker 2: like heavy racket. I'm double faulting and I just have

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Speaker 2: unorganized and this is a result, but like this is

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Speaker 2: and it's because I forgot my racket. I've forgotten shoes

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Speaker 2: a lot. I always forget my shoes. I show up.

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Speaker 1: I think every tennis play has done that. I mean

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Speaker 1: Coco did it recently, right, she went on the court. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he shoes, I've done that. I've done that.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff you have to carry around,

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Speaker 3: supposed to wear the red shorts and the weight shirt.

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Speaker 1: This is what keeps me up at nate ADHD at

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Speaker 1: its best. I actually one time funny enough that you

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Speaker 1: said that I played a final in Madrid at Madrid

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Speaker 1: in I wish it was Madrid. In Mildura, Australia. It

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Speaker 1: was a grass court title. It was a twenty five

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Speaker 1: and my string breaks, and this is like before you know,

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Speaker 1: you'd have like five rackets in your bag, like strung

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Speaker 1: There is no expense. I had to pay for mine,

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Speaker 2: The match with Christia? She was up six two three two.

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Speaker 2: Her erratic mode where like every shot seems like why

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Speaker 1: your eggs, they're freezing your ranking, Like there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that are going on. They're really trying to

435
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Speaker 1: help out.

436
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: But yes there is man freeze my wrist, freeze my brain.

437
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's been great to see her.

438
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Speaker 1: She had a great when he's you know, relatively easy

439
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 1: over Osta Penco today, which is always interesting. What are

440
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Astera Pinco us.

441
00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 2: The Pinko loves the clay as pink Oh loves the clay.

442
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: I think she's a great personality for tennis.

443
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: Don't you think it's funny?

444
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 3: Though?

445
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: When now she doesn't have any umpires or any linesman

446
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: yell at and look at.

447
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, she still definitely keeps the attitude,

448
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 2: which is important for her. And you can't look away.

449
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: You can't look away. But it's never her fault. She's

450
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: never made a mistake.

451
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: No. I know it because I was coaching a player

452
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: that played with her in doubles last year and the

453
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: absolute Russian night, like like they were speaking, she was

454
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Speaker 1: speaking Russian. On mean, she's not Russian, but speaking of

455
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 1: that language to her coaches and stuff. And one of

456
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 1: my player's friends was Russian. And I said, what did

457
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: she say? And she said, you don't want to know?

458
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: And I said, no, no, I want to know. She goes, well,

459
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: let's put it this way, there's not a lot of

460
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: positivity going on the other side of the net for

461
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: her partner. And I was like, oh my god. She's like, yeah,

462
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: she's blaming her for everything. I'm like, did she not

463
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: just see the three volleys she missed on top of

464
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: the net, Like she is so unaware of what she

465
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Speaker 1: does do on the tennis court. Sometimes it makes me

466
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: I just it's just the delusion is unbelievable. But it's

467
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: also what made your friendship.

468
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: Opens you a grand slam. It's also people to make

469
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 2: fun of, like Medvedev's technique, but if you look at

470
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: her technique, it's crazy. It's like this chicken wing forehand.

471
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: It's it's jerky, the footwork's not there, but her hands

472
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: are incredible, and she gets it so flat and gets

473
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Speaker 2: all her body weight into it, so you always.

474
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Speaker 1: Don't know where it's going. And she's one player, She's

475
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: literally one player that I've coached again, so I go,

476
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't know. I don't know where

477
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: the ball's going half the time, which is a rarity

478
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: because I'm usually pretty good at picking people's tendencies. But anyway,

479
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: so Sabalanca is not looking great and also having a

480
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: bit of a back issue apparently, so that is not

481
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: good going into a major and not having the success

482
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Speaker 1: that she would have wanted to have on grass and

483
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: on clay, and then also going on grass. If you

484
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: got a back problem, it's gonna be a bit of

485
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: a plane in the ass no offense, because plane on

486
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: grass is the worst on your butt and your back.

487
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: It's funny you're competing against the rest of the field,

488
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: but you're also competing against your own body, and it's

489
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: a double whammy. But I in terms of like who

490
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: I think is the favorite, it's hard. I mean, you

491
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: gotta always keep an eye out for Rebakner Yep, agreed, Brabeque.

492
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: And I also think Ego was looking good.

493
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeahs, Yeah, it's interesting. I think that. I think that, look,

494
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: she looked real good yesterday against Osaka, And I think that,

495
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a possibility that if she can

496
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Speaker 1: win this tournament in Rome, which she's done so many times.

497
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, she won a final six love, six love,

498
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: which is insane. If she can get that sort of

499
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: feeling back again and win Rome, I think she got

500
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: For me, she goes into the to the French, believe

501
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: it or not, not having the success that anyone's expected

502
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: or had she's had in the past. I think she

503
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: still goes in with a bit of an edge of

504
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: winning the French because she's done it so many times

505
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: and you have to.

506
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: And her sheention. So that does help my question to

507
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: you about Coco, because you know we have to get

508
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: to Coco.

509
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: Yep.

510
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: How can she emotionally survive?

511
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: I don't know.

512
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't know to win every match.

513
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, and I'll tell you yeah, honestly, Hannah,

514
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about it over the last few weeks.

515
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: The thing that it's it's sort of getting it's upsetting

516
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: me the most about watching her, and I adore her,

517
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: like I just I love her as a human being.

518
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: I think she's an incredible ambassador for the sport. She

519
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: does all the right things, she says all the right things,

520
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: she supports all the right causes. She's getting really pissy

521
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: pants on the court a lot, Like I feel like

522
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: she lost the match in the previous week when she

523
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: was up I believe for one and the third, and

524
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: we talked about on the podcast last week, and she's

525
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: winging at her her player's box, and I'm like, your

526
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: opponent is literally ready to walk off the court. She's done.

527
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: It was Nskova, and Nuskova is ready to go. She

528
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: was done. She was like, all right, get me out

529
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: of here, especially with her type of attitude, you know,

530
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: but she's also somebody if you let back in a

531
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: little bit, she can actually hit you off the court,

532
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: which is exactly what happened. So I'm like, why would

533
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: you show any negative emotion even if you feel like shit,

534
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: don't show it.

535
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: Now. I identify with Coco for the only reason why

536
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: is because my weaknesses and my tightness would come out

537
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: in my forehand and my second serve. So I like

538
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: watching her because I feel like I know that ptstains. Yeah,

539
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: and I like watching her fight through it because it

540
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: makes me feel like a kindred spirit. But as someone

541
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: who's experienced this at a much lower level, I've had

542
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: points where I'll win a bunch of matches brutally, just

543
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: through my teeth, and then eventually you're like, I can't

544
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: win ugly anymore, Like I don't have anything left. I

545
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: can't do this. It's frustrating. And I think she's coming

546
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: for her box because she's not Kampedia gets the girl

547
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: across from her. She's competing herself, and she knows that

548
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: each day she's she's battling a lot of these performances demons.

549
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: And the it's but it's performance demons. But I mean

550
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: you tell me, because yeah, you know you're saying about.

551
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: Is this technique.

552
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, I think technique. And when she's nervous,

553
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: is then overtaking what she wants to do mentally mentally

554
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: I guarantee you. Mentally, she's saying, Okay, you can do this.

555
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 1: Hit it this way, you know, finish the forehand, you know,

556
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: go for the serve. I think she's telling herself all that,

557
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, as you got to

558
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: do it, and you know this because you played, and

559
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: just like I do. When you know your technique is

560
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: not good and you get a little bit nervous, it's

561
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: what breaks down and you and you and you can't

562
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: help it. Because when you're nervous, you're if your technique

563
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: is not right, it doesn't I don't care who you are,

564
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how, I don't care how mentally strong

565
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: you are. And she is incredibly credible strong strong. She

566
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: can't take it strong.

567
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: She's eating girls like with her second serve and her

568
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: forehand awry, that's how mentally strong she is. But while

569
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: other girls are flying through matches, she's having to play

570
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: these like four hour chess matches to be girls in

571
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: the top fifty and her long term career. I want

572
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: her to be happy. I want to have some easy wins.

573
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: I want her to just hit some people off the

574
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: court like I.

575
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: Don't think she can. That's the problem. She her fuehand.

576
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: She cannot hit people off the court. She can't.

577
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: It's funny because when she hits it really right, it's

578
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: really good, and when she hits it really bad, it's

579
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: so bad. There's too much of a range of what

580
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: the forehand can be. And look, I relate to it.

581
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: That's how I play too. But I just wonder for

582
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: her longevity because I know she wants to be the

583
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: greatest of all time. You have to have some six

584
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Speaker 2: two six two wins.

585
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you want to be the gratest

586
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: of all time, you got to be like Serena and

587
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: beat Maria Sharpover in the finals of the Olympics like

588
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: one in love, Like that's got to be. You've got

589
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: to be stepfie Graff and beat Natasha's Verereva in the

590
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: finals of the French Open six love, six love and

591
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, like if you want to be the greatest,

592
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: you've got to crush people like that. And on a concert,

593
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: I still think she.

594
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: Could pull it out against anyone, but she is does

595
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: probably have an insane three set record, But again, your body,

596
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: your mind can only go so far, especially when you're

597
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: making it to the finals and you've been out there

598
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: for so long.

599
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I don't know how she I said that.

600
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know when I said it, but I did

601
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: say it on the pot of a little while ago.

602
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: It's like, mentally, like how much can you keep putting

603
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: yourself through this where you need to take like a break.

604
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to take the break after

605
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: the US Open last year and really work on those

606
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: technical flaws and not. And then she went and won

607
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Wuhan or whatever, and everyone's like, oh, what are you

608
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: talking about. I was like, well, because it's for the

609
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: long it's for the long range goal. It's not about

610
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: winning Wuhan. Who's the fuck Nobody even remembers to win.

611
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: A dozen Grand Slams? Like that's where she wants to be.

612
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: And I think she knows. She's frustrated when she's in

613
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: a third set, even if she's winning, Like I shouldn't

614
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: be in this third set if I want to be

615
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: the greatest? How did I get here? Again? But it's

616
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: I would play. When I would play, I would be

617
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: tight in the beginning, and I almost whenever i'd play

618
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: a good player, I'd always lose the first set, to

619
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: the point that it didn't even affect me. I was like,

620
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: assume you're gonna lose the first set, Okay, now let's start.

621
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of those you know, two

622
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: six six three sixty three love six six two sixty two.

623
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: That was just how I played as well. But it's

624
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: really hard, like you.

625
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Want to easily win and physically and honestly physically, like

626
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: right now, she's young, right, so right now she's gonna

627
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: get away with this and she's gonna bounce back. But

628
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: when she gets to twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty thirty one,

629
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: if she's playing that long, those matches start to take

630
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: their toll on your body. Right, and as fit and

631
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: fast and as great an athlete as she is, and

632
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: as she's young, and the more miles she puts on

633
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: her body on the tennis court under pressure, because stress

634
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: affects your body differently, Yeah, when she gets to thirty,

635
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the knees will start getting a bit sourer, the hip

636
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: starts to get a little bit tighter, the shoulder starts

637
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: to have to work a little bit too much. So

638
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: those are also things that she needs to really think

639
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: about going forward. And yeah, I mean listen, for me,

640
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: I've pointed out a few things technically that I mean,

641
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: there's one thing I don't know if you ever noticed

642
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: this when she's serving, if you watch where her hand

643
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: is on her grip, so it goes like I have

644
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: my rope and a remote control, so she has her

645
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: finger like up her grip. You can't see it in

646
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: the pod, but she has her finger up her grip

647
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: like she's like pointing on the grip and I'm like,

648
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: get that thing down so you get a little bit

649
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: more wrist action. There's a little technical things. So I mean,

650
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: I know she's working with Gavin macmillan. Love the guy.

651
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. He's obviously done terrific things to

652
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Sabalanca serve. But that's the one little thing that I

653
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: wish that she would change on her serf. And you listen,

654
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: injuries get to everybody, So hopefully that's not the case

655
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: something that happened to Amanda anissam mo Ova. She's had

656
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: to pull out what a great year that she had

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: last year, and she's struggling this year physically the wrist, you.

658
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Know, and mentally now that she's a favorite. It's a

659
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: situation on the court. I do just say shout out

660
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: to our friend Chelsea Handler. He did. She did amazing

661
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: on the roast, and I was in LA and went

662
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: to her show.

663
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I know I missed you. I was in La because

664
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: I was on a movie set. Hannah, She's a star.

665
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: You were busy on set.

666
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Let's just put it this way. I'm gonna it's gonna

667
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: come out eventually, but I'm already out. So this was

668
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: not a surprise. But my first my first scene in

669
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: this movie is going to be euro cheek kissing. Charlie's

670
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: thereon stand back, everybody, stand back, shut up. I swear

671
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: to god. I just discussed this off camera.

672
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: I was talking about to my podcast, how Charles Theron

673
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: is the last real movie star. She is so iconic,

674
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: so gorgeous, like she glows, they don't make them like

675
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: her anymore.

676
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Is the hottest human being literally literally, Oh my god.

677
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: She was so fucking nice and so cool and drops

678
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: more F bombs than me, and that, my friends, makes

679
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: me love her. She drops an Africa. She's from Africa.

680
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: She has a very American accent when she speaks English,

681
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: but mate, she drops the F bomb more than me,

682
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: and that just makes me think you're cool.

683
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: She's a real one, she's a leader.

684
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm an aries we got along. I know you're jealous, Yeah,

685
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: I am just this's why we get along anyway. So

686
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: I missed you.

687
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: Miss Chelsea's stand up and Chelsea's you know, she has

688
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: amazing friends. And after the show there was like a

689
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: little get together in the lobby actually got quite big.

690
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people and I see this like

691
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: very tall woman standing there and it's Maria. Cheerful of it,

692
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: and he goes I went to the Hall of Fame

693
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: last year and I watched her through the whole thing.

694
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: Never bothered her. I'm bothering her. And then we get

695
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: to the place and I'm I'm talking to all these

696
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: random comics and singers that are there, and I freak

697
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: out and I see Maria and my friends don't understand,

698
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: and they're like, just say hi to her if you

699
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: like her, and I go, no, this is like she

700
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: raised me. She's everything this you know in your head.

701
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't how we were supposed to meet.

702
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm not approaching her in a busy, loud party with

703
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: Chelsea handler. I'm like, I have to wait, And I'm

704
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: like Renee would be so disappointed. In me that I

705
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: didn't get the balls, but like, I just didn't feel

706
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: like it was the right time. You didn't say hi,

707
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: I didn't even We even made contact a couple times

708
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: because I think she knows of me, But I was like,

709
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: I can't do this.

710
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, todd Ley's Ysasha, did you did a Sasha?

711
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: I just didn't want to, like, God forbid it. The

712
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: interaction was awkward. Then I'm like, I've ruined Rashia.

713
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta make that happen for you. I'm gonna

714
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: click this one bit off and I'm gonna send it

715
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: to He'm gonna texted her and me like this is

716
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: what Hannah's.

717
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Having a peaceful night. And I was like, well, also,

718
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: what am I going to say?

719
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Like, hey, Marie, few of you I was. I'm a

720
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: big I was a big fan. Love your tennis. She'd

721
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Hannah, I love your stuff. And then

722
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're best friends. This is how

723
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: it works. Let me teach you how to do that, Sannah.

724
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: I'll teach you.

725
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm actually so bad. I'm so I.

726
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Would have thought you were so backwards and coming forwards

727
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: right now.

728
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: Speak I only get like this with athletes. Yeah, truly

729
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 2: get like this with athletes. Literally the biggest movies sound

730
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: the world. I'd be like, love your work, But when

731
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: I met Roger Fretter, I just cried in his face

732
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: and then walked away.

733
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Most people listening to this podcast can totally relate to you.

734
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, I would have done the

735
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: same thing, because she's like.

736
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: A goddess, Like she's a physical and mental, like she's

737
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 2: on a different league of existence.

738
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: As soon as you said this tall person, I was like,

739
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: I knew how it was Maria Shupp speaking of goddesses

740
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: or gods or legends. I want your thoughts on no

741
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: Jokovic because man, he's not playing at all. I said,

742
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: go back to listen to my pods. I thought the

743
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: Austrain Open was going to be his last Grand Slam,

744
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: but he's hung around, but he hasn't really played, so

745
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I want to know what his end game is. Clearly,

746
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: he only gives a shit about playing the Grand Slams.

747
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: But I don't care who you are. You have to

748
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: play matches before a major and get wins under your

749
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: belt before you think you can go dominate. Clearly, we

750
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: saw what he did isustrain and open speaking of beating

751
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: Sinner in which nobody predicted that, which is also given.

752
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: I think mister Sinner a bit of a kick up

753
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the ass to get things going again this year. But

754
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: what's going on with Novak? And I mean losing to

755
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, a qualifier from his own country, Like that's

756
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: got a hurt, that's like, what's going on?

757
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: What do you say? He did he make any statements

758
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: like he wanted to end at like no cup or

759
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: like Olympics, no.

760
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Something, no, but he did listen. I did an interview

761
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: with him a couple of years ago at the US Open,

762
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: and I remember asking him a specific question about playing

763
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: at night and how do you get up for these

764
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: matches and time and time again, something.

765
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: Along and older.

766
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: I kind of sort of said something along those lines,

767
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: but obviously a little bit nicer, and he looked at

768
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: me and he goes, yeah, I don't know, I don't

769
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: know how I do it. But it was It wasn't

770
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: those exact verbatim words, but the way he said it,

771
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: the way he answered the question, was like, Oh, he's

772
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: getting he's getting tired of this. This is it starts

773
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: to weigh on you and at thirty seven, thirty eight

774
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: years of age thirty nine to win a major title

775
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: over best of five sets against the Alcres and Centers.

776
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: While he's lucky at the French because he doesn't have

777
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: to go through Alcres. And maybe he does get that

778
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: win over Yannick, but I don't know. It gets harder

779
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: and harder man to to keep coming back without matches

780
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: under your belt. I mean, look at Serena when she

781
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: tried to come back the last couple of years. I mean,

782
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: you've got to play matches, and then if you get matches,

783
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: you can win because you're getting match fit again. So

784
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: what's going on with Novak?

785
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: I do feel like we've been doubting him though every

786
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, Like we're like, he's not gonna he's not

787
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: gonna be and he keeps making the semis, which is incredible.

788
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: I do think the French it's long points, it's a grind.

789
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: He's going to be physically pushed to the limit. I

790
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: just want him to bow out graceful respect. Yes, I

791
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: don't want it.

792
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Like who I think maybe maybe maybe you were so open.

793
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: It's going to be this last anyway. Listen, Hannah, we're

794
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: going to take a really quick break, and I'm going

795
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: to ask you about this young Raphael number two after

796
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: we get back from the break. So hang on, okay,

797
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: So Hannah, what about mister Raphael number two. He's still

798
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: in the tournament in Rome. There's a young kid that's exciting.

799
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: I saw his interview this morning. He speaks really good English,

800
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: like he's a fun, fun younger. I mean, it's nice, right.

801
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: We need these young guys to start winning matches because

802
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: men's tennis has been boring right now.

803
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to imagine some of these guys

804
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: who like came up with Alcarez, are like if he

805
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: could get so big, like I can make a dent

806
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: in professional tennis. And these young guys. You look at

807
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: his body. He's not filled out. He's like literally growing out.

808
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: He's so skinny, and I'm like this, this guy has

809
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: so much growth. So I love when these kind of

810
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: new people come in and they have this kind of

811
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: like delusion of like they're not, you know, been on

812
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: the road for a while. They're just like I love

813
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: tennis and I'm playing well right now, So shout out

814
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: to him. He'll be smoking a cigarette next year.

815
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: We'll seem in the back courts, like having a cigarette

816
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: and like be like, oh man, this.

817
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: Life is not for me, but I love the new energy.

818
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. And it really is a fresh name.

819
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, not a lot of people had heard of

820
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: this kid before Madrid, and so the fact that he's

821
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: reached two back to back, you know, quarters of Masters

822
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: one thousand is just it's awesome. It's amazing to see

823
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: someone get through. And you know, I had written down

824
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: like interesting enough, and he's a uva guy. It's a

825
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: college go oh yeah, So I think he was going

826
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: there and then I don't don't know how much he played,

827
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: and then he's you know, now he's pro and he's

828
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: like see, yeah, fuck that college life. I do want

829
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: to ask you about college tennis actually, because it's been

830
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: coming up. Of the last couple of podcasts, Patrick McEnroe

831
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: has been talking about it, like give me your thoughts

832
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: on that, like the international players, how many were on

833
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: the team for you with the international players, and what

834
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: do you think about these college tennis programs getting shafted out?

835
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I feel like college tennis is

836
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: finally getting respect at the pro level where everyone's seeing

837
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: like benefits.

838
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially men, especially the men.

839
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: Yes, and when you watch the top NC DOUBLEA girls,

840
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: you're like, this is extremely high level and it's a grind.

841
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: But I also feel like the problem is is we

842
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: were never a revenue sport. And I remember when they

843
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: started talking about athletes getting paid not to age myself

844
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, I remember thinking, yeah, but they'll never

845
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: pay tennis the same because we're not selling out stadiums

846
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: even though we are working as hard and we are

847
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: as good in our sport. And then there was a

848
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: lot of issues with you know, if someone took prize

849
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: money they can't play is complicated. On my team, I

850
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: think I was one of maybe four Americans and there

851
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: was like six people from all over Singapore, India, Russia.

852
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: But I do think I know right now the team

853
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: currently has only two Badgers. They only have I think

854
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: two or three Americans.

855
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's the problem. I think that's that's where

856
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: we really got to start looking at it, because I

857
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: guess the bottom line is, and Kitlon was saying, well,

858
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: is it are you having college sports to make money

859
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: or are you having college sports to make students better

860
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: people overall? Because sports, as you know, Hannah, you know

861
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: it's helped you so much in your life and your

862
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: work ethic. And you know your success now doing what

863
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: you do on TV and comedy and commercials and all

864
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: the things you're doing that was from your work ethic

865
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: of being an athlete. So you know what is what

866
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: is college athlete athletics for? Is it to make someone

867
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: a full person? Or is it just to make money

868
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: for the college?

869
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: Yes, that's such a valid point because especially you can't

870
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: tell one athlete that they're so much more valuable than

871
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: the other athlete, even though we're doing the same amount

872
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: of hours, the same responsibilities. It's just yeah, we don't

873
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: play in a stadium, and it's not that kind of sport.

874
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: And I haven't thought this through, but I was thinking

875
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: about like the USCA and how how the caayers in America.

876
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: I know that, especially during my time, they were obsessed with,

877
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, like who's the next big pro and they

878
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: pick people at a young age to like really help throughout.

879
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if now they've like because some people,

880
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: like look at Jesse Pagoula, like at sixteen, she started

881
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, popping off. More like there's some not everyone

882
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: is a nine year old prodigy. And I think working

883
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: more on developing Division one players maybe instead of just

884
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: like maybe just more of a system of like let's

885
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: get girls into.

886
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: Let's get them into division and then who.

887
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: Knows once they get there, instead of just thinking like

888
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: does this girl look like she can win a Grand

889
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: Slam in fifteen years when she's twenty one? Instead, because

890
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: I feel like in Europe specifically, there's such a better

891
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: like lower tier below.

892
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: Pegradoes, Yeah, club tennis.

893
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: Club tennis, and that creates just like all these great

894
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: Division three, two and one players, where in America it

895
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: feels very like either you're at the top or like

896
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: you're kind of left four dead.

897
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no's that's really well. I mean in Australia,

898
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: we don't have any of that. So you guys are

899
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: lucky in this country to do that. For Australians, for example,

900
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: we got to travel overseas. It's brutal for us to

901
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: get the competition that we knew see or a lot

902
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: of Australians do come maybe and play college centers. But

903
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thought. I think that's

904
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: a thing that USD should think about. How can we

905
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: cipher these kids through our college systems? To a gift

906
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and education. But b it's great practice. You have physios,

907
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: you have trainers, you're like working on. I mean, I

908
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: think about Lisa Raymond, my old doubles put I talk

909
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: about her all the time, who was the top junior

910
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: in the country in her age, and she wasn't mentally

911
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: or physically she was never really mentally ready. But she

912
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: that was a joke. But you know, she decided to

913
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: go to Florida for two years and she dominated in college.

914
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: She won two NC double as the team won the

915
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: title for the first time, and then two years later

916
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: she was like, Okay, I'm going to go pro. But

917
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: she'd already played some slams already and gotten that experience

918
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: and had done really well. So it's like, why not

919
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: cipher them through rather than put in a junior program

920
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: all the time? Really think, no, no, this is actually

921
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: stone and this school is really good, and this school

922
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: has great coaches. And then because in I think about

923
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: the Czech Republic, how many women do you know in

924
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: the top one hundred of the Czech Republic. I mean,

925
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: they just ciphered them through every five years. It's like unbelievable, there's.

926
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: A new one. It's perfect because they played heaviest ball.

927
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: But they play club tennis against each other all the

928
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: fucking time. They play each other all the time, so

929
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: they're playing their best players in the world against each

930
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: other every single week when they're not playing on the tour.

931
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: So it's crazy to me that we're not figuring out

932
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: a way to filter our young juniors into a system

933
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: where they're playing against each other and making each other

934
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: better on a on a daily basis. What's really funny.

935
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this story. This guy's

936
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: name's Yakim Joakim Almeido. He won the Marty Fish Invitational.

937
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: It was a fifteen thousand. He was twenty eighth on

938
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: the qualifying acceptance list. Okay, I think he played college tennis.

939
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: And then he's hanging around. It's kind of like a

940
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: scene from Challenges. You know, where you sleep and in

941
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: the car hoping you get into the tournament. He gets

942
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: into qualifying of a fifteen thousand, he's not even ranked.

943
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: He gets in, he gets through qualifying, he beat JJ

944
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Wolf in the tournament, and he wins the tournament. I mean,

945
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: for me, of all the stories of last week that

946
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: happened last week, this literally happened like yesterday or the

947
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: day before. This kid from Brazil, one of fifteen thousand

948
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: getting through qualifying. It's not even ranked. Those are the

949
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: stories that I want to see. That's the real challenges story.

950
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: He's probably having an affair with somebody as well, but

951
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: you should look it up. I'll send you the video.

952
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. So I wanted to give that

953
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: out on the pod because that was an awesome, awesome story.

954
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to get to I'm going to

955
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: get to a couple of questions. There's only one or

956
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: two that I ask We always ask at the end

957
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: of the pod our Lovely with listeners write in, and

958
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: I asked the questions, and then someone said, can you

959
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: comment on Anissimova's wrist injury? I heard of all the

960
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: comments on Carlos. Also, how does a player show up

961
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: for a tournament with injury and practice and pull out

962
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: just before they go on the court?

963
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: Ooh? As in mentally like how that works?

964
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it's physically. They're probably like, why would you

965
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: try and play if you think you're injured?

966
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because you hope that that morning

967
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: your body woke up and was like oh, we're good enough,

968
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Like you've got an aftimism. I feel like that because

969
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, you never know when it gets better, and

970
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: you're like, it could be tomorrow morning that I suddenly

971
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: start feeling a new.

972
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you also think, maybe if I get through

973
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: this one match, yeah, it'll feel better tomorrow. Maybe I

974
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: just need some matches. And you know, she's panicking a

975
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: little bit right now because she hasn't played for a

976
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: while and she's going into the first, you know, second

977
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: major of the year without any matches. So I think

978
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: that's why they try and go on the court. They

979
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: probably feel eighty five percent in practice. Then they think

980
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I can get through this match, maybe in a match

981
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: at eighty five percent, and they get out there and

982
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: they're not playing as well or it's hurting them a

983
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: little more at more, and they pull the plug. I

984
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: think if it was, you know, five weeks before the

985
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: French Open, she would have not played. So I think

986
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: that's why, all right.

987
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: There's so much pressure. Yeah, there's so much pressure on

988
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: you to win and make money that it's like, even

989
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: if it is horrible, you try to trick your mind

990
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: to be like, no, it's not that bad.

991
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that bad. You'll be fine. Just get

992
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: over it. Put it in a cast after the game.

993
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: All right, So our loyal listener Phil in the win,

994
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: he says, is eager back from her matches in Rome,

995
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: killing it on her last two matches. Well, far as

996
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: Hannah Berner's concerned, yes she is.

997
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: I always believe in eger because once you show the

998
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: kind of greatness she's shown, it doesn't disappear. And I

999
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: think it's hard to keep up the like dominance, but

1000
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it's there, it's always right there, and

1001
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: I think she's always capable of beating everyone.

1002
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially on Clay. I think this is a good

1003
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: this will be And I've always said this prior to

1004
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: going into the French Open. The people that win Rome

1005
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: for me are always the favorites. Madrid is an outlier.

1006
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: It's at altitude, it is fast, it supports big servers,

1007
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: big hitters of the ball, people that hit the ball flat.

1008
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: It's not usually an indicator. I mean, because I think

1009
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: Raphael and Nadal one Madrid maybe once or twice. Hello,

1010
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: he won every other. He won Rome and.

1011
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: With some sand on it.

1012
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: It's exact at altitude, so good one, I mean servan

1013
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: volleyer should be winning. That's why Roger won Madrid more

1014
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: than RAF I think so, yeah, yeah, okay from Jeff Bernstein,

1015
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: this is a good question for you, Hannah, I have

1016
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: a question for you renee In and Hannah. I'm going

1017
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: to add, how can the NCUBA charge twenty two dollars

1018
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: for general admission to tennis championships and expect a good

1019
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: crowd and grow the sport? Eighty five dollars for the

1020
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: four day pass are savings of three dollars. Well, first

1021
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: of all, that's ridiculously what the fuck. It should be

1022
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: three days for sixty bucks or something like that, but

1023
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: four days for sixty bucks. But I didn't even know

1024
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: they charged.

1025
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: What the fuck I didn't I didn't know they charged.

1026
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: It's almost Yeah, that seems crazy. Also, they're making money

1027
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: off of being on TV, right, Like, are they making

1028
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: that much money by charging eighty bucks to people who

1029
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: love tennis? I don't know. I don't think that's worth it.

1030
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: I feel like, take money from the football team if

1031
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: you need.

1032
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: Money, exactly exactly, because I think.

1033
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: It should be open admission and that's get the money

1034
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: from other sports that are already profiting.

1035
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: All right, we're sending that into uh, we're sending that

1036
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: into the NC.

1037
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: Double a's and we're causing drama today.

1038
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: What causing drama wants you to bring the deans as

1039
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: the Danes of college tennis? We say, well, usually Caitlin

1040
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: and I are ripping on the WTA adp at Usta.

1041
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: You know we had tennis is Charlie whoever it is.

1042
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: But today we're gonna rip on the NC double A

1043
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: which we have done in the past because I.

1044
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Don't even know the rules anymore. Now they just play

1045
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: like first to five points wins. Like I don't even

1046
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: know the rules anymore. They've changed a lot. We used

1047
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: to play old school tennis deuces and everything.

1048
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not anymore now. Trying to shorten everything up.

1049
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: But I will say, if you do love tennis, and

1050
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: this is what Caitlin said, go and watch college tennis.

1051
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: It is fun, incredible.

1052
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: It's fun and it's aggressive and everyone's yelling at each

1053
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: other and the teams are on it. It's just it's

1054
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I did like some volunteer coaching

1055
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: down at USF for a year or two, and I

1056
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: loved going out and watching the matches.

1057
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: And girls getting pumped up, and you'll find yourself watching

1058
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: like the sixth Court and getting so into this match

1059
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: because everyone is like, it's fun watching two people who

1060
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: are at the same level fight.

1061
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it out. They're literally fighting for their last breath

1062
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: and each other and each other exactly. Well, okay, so

1063
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: last question for you, Hannah, give me your who do

1064
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: you think is gonna win the French Open Men's and

1065
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: women's Oh wait, quick.

1066
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: Shout out. Okay, shout out to Haley Baptiste.

1067
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got to give Haley. Unfortunately she lost

1068
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: in Rome, but I think she's getting loan and you're buddy,

1069
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: Jesspagoula is still.

1070
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: In Rome, and Jess, who's quietly with her flat strokes,

1071
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: just getting through the clay. Oh, I'm going to say Eager. Okay,

1072
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so boring and say Ego and Cinner.

1073
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah I I I don't think I'll disagree with you.

1074
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Speaker 1: I think that that could be the case again. I

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Speaker 1: just have I think if Eager wins Rome, she's my

1076
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Speaker 1: favorite to win in Paris for sure. So I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a break. I'll wait till after Rome at least too.

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Speaker 1: You can, you know, text it to me, and I'll

1079
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Speaker 1: let the world know that you actually changed your mind

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Speaker 1: if you did. But I don't think you're going to

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Speaker 1: change your mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'll stick with it.

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Speaker 1: Let's stick with it, all right. So, Hannah, you got

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Speaker 1: June fifth, right, June fifth.

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Speaker 2: June fifth, my new special on Hulu. Everyone watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean I'm so. I'm so freaking proud

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Speaker 1: of you. We met years ago, you came on my

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00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: old Amazon show and we bonded.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you're the reason I know Jen Welsh from my

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Speaker 1: padded podcast. I've been on their podcast. If you don't

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Speaker 1: listen to their past podcast, you're missing out. Jen and

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00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: Pumps are the funniest two people talking politics now. And

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Speaker 1: we love tennis, and we love tennis well sadly, Jen,

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Speaker 1: you know, likes pickleball as well, so that's fine.

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Speaker 2: We don't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get you playing a little paddle, Hannah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm into pattern. I'm just not green off the

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Speaker 2: wall yet. I'm not great up the wall because there's

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Speaker 2: like science to it. There's like physics, like you have

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Speaker 2: to know where to stand, it doesn't matter how fast

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Speaker 2: you are. But everything else I like a lot I

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Speaker 2: a little lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be really strategic. I really love it. Yeah, poach,

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Speaker 1: let's play, let's play, let's play. I got to play

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Speaker 1: out in Long Island City anytime you want. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: all right, everyone, thanks for joining us this week. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to my very special guest Hannah Burner, who's very very

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Speaker 1: busy right now, so I appreciate it. Although she was

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Speaker 1: playing fucking tennis this morning, so I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear it. So she plays more tennis than I do.

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Speaker 1: When a weeping again, I need to get out to

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Speaker 1: the Long Island to play with me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll do that.

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Speaker 1: I'll do that very soon. Anyway, all right, guys, we'll

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Speaker 1: see you and hear you all next week.

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Speaker 2: Next h