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Speaker 2: all of you guys had an incredible week. Here's a

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Speaker 2: So with the Nerd, says guys Logan and Carson, We're

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Speaker 2: So the Bucks are three and seven since dock Rivers

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Speaker 3: So I think this team is great. I still slightly

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Speaker 3: for anybody to beat Boston and out East, there are

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Speaker 3: lot more questions. I love the Knicks, but for them

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Speaker 3: to beat Boston, you would need Julius Randall to play

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Speaker 3: He is like one of the great playoff droppers of

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Speaker 3: Dynamics are different there because they have so much more

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, with Randall in

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Speaker 3: You can't play a Dame and Pat Bev lineup against

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Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics like you're just gonna get bullied. So ultimately,

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Speaker 3: everybody else's flaws to me are just more significant. And

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Speaker 3: this Boston team is crazy talented.

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Speaker 1: They are crazy talented. They're big, they're physical, they're athletic

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Speaker 1: But Carson, I think you point to the fatal flaw

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Speaker 1: in hypothetical matchups against teams, they can kind of get.

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Speaker 1: In theory, the Celtics are so dominant physically and athletically

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Speaker 1: to those outside shots. But I do think this is

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the biggest challenge for Boston to overcome.

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Speaker 1: The Knicks are my favorite contender outside of them, but

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe in Julius Randall enough for them

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Speaker 1: to see Boston's offense be a little more dynamic, but

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Speaker 1: they're just too talented for me to bet against them.

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Speaker 2: So I'm as So you're taking Boston over the field

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Speaker 2: Warriors because all these other teams we kind of knew

432
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: more about way earlier in the season, and like we're

433
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 2: almost evaluating the Warriors from the perspective of like where

434
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: we would normally evaluate a team at the end of November,

435
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: because we're just like, Okay, we got like a good

436
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: fifteen game sample size of like this group of guys

437
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: playing a certain brand of basketball, And so I guess,

438
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: let's zoom out for a second. How do we feel

439
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: about the Warriors? Do you view them as like a

440
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: traditional contender, just a really good playoff team or something

441
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: less than that. Where are you at with the Warriors logan?

442
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: Right outside of real contender status? I can't imagine a

443
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: world where the Golden Eight Warriors win the NBA Finals.

444
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: It's it's really hard for me to imagine. This last

445
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: stretch has been very, very encouraging for the Warriors. Like

446
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: they are undersized, but this is they're a super switchable,

447
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: versatile lineup that's the most athletic they've been in a

448
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: minute I've really liked the Dubs in transition, just the

449
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: way they get up and down the floor with ease,

450
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: Like you know, Draymond starting the break. Draymond is so

451
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: great at just getting the ball out immediately. And they've

452
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: got other athletes like if it's Wiggins connecting it to Kamingo,

453
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: who's finishing, uh, you know, the fast break whoever. It is, like,

454
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: they move really well up and down the floor. They're fast,

455
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 1: they're athletic, and on offense, I mean, they really spread

456
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: defenses out, you know. I think that's been a big

457
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: key for me, is without Looney out there, you know,

458
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: you don't have a I mean, Draymond's also been hitting

459
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: threes an insane rate too, which I don't know if

460
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: we can expect to keep up. You know, that's a

461
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: big part of it too. All season, true, I'm crossing

462
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: my fingers. Dra has been insane And so that's a

463
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: big component is they are really spreading and stretching defense

464
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: is out. It's it's really an optimized offense for virtually

465
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: every lineup without Looney at the five. You know, if

466
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: it's Dra at the five, if it's sar Rich, if

467
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: it's tjd All of those guys are high IQ, good

468
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 1: decision makers who can stretch the floor. And I mean

469
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: you see it with a lot of the double screens

470
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the key, and the Warriors run

471
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: so many different actions out of that. I love it

472
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: where you know, if it's Kamingo on a back door cut,

473
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: if it's Clay relocating, they just run so many actions

474
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: out of that that it's really hard. You know, it

475
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: keeps a defense on its heels because of how many

476
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: different things they can do out of those sets. The

477
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: one thing that scares me about the Doves, and it's

478
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: really similar to Boston, Actually, three point shooting is still

479
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: going to be the biggest variants in the biggest swing

480
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: factor for the Duves. You know, this is still a

481
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: very perimeter oriented team. And that's the thing that scares

482
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: me the most about Golden State is the volatility of

483
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: the three point shot. Forty percent of their shots are

484
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: coming from three this season, that's the fifth highest percentage

485
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and just twenty seven percent of their

486
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: shots come at the rim, that's the lowest percentage in

487
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: the league. They just don't exert a ton of pressure

488
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: on the rim. So what does that mean that means

489
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: that Dray is gonna have to have a great shooting run,

490
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Wiggins is gonna have to have a great shooting run,

491
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: Clay is gonna have to swing series, and on top

492
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: of that, Kaminga is gonna have to play like a

493
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: legit number two when those guys aren't at their best offensively. Like,

494
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: I really like what Golden State's done, but just considering

495
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: those factors, the fact that I think all of those

496
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to reach a different level offensively

497
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: and are gonna have to shoot the lights out, the

498
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: fact that in a lot of these matchups, I think

499
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: they're at a huge, massive athletic and physical disadvantage. Jason,

500
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: you talk about the game the other night where they're

501
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: getting out rebounded down the stretch. That scares me in

502
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: any series against any team out West, you know, or

503
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: the Dove's gonna be able to hang on the glass. Uh.

504
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: It just it seems like for me that a lot

505
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: more needs to go right than to go wrong. And

506
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: it scares me that in a rock fight, in one

507
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: of these grimy games, you know, Golden State just goes

508
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: cold from the three point line and their offense completely

509
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: he disappears. You know what I mean. They don't have

510
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: these like Carson, like you were saying with Christops in Boston,

511
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a guy that can really break up

512
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: these It's Kuminga at this point. And that's just a

513
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to put on a young guy's shoulders.

514
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: Like that to me, where I think everybody's gonna have

515
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: to play beyond their means. You need Comena to play

516
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: like a star. Yeah, they're just at major physical disadvantages

517
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: and I think they're at a little overly reliant on

518
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: the three point shot. I love the Warriors. It's I'm

519
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, guys. I love watching the Warriors play.

520
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: They're one of my favorite teams to ever watch in

521
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: basketball history, and I enjoy watching them on a night

522
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: to night basis. It's gonna break my heart if they

523
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: get knocked out in the playoffs, man, because it's gonna

524
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the end of an era. But

525
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: I there's really no world in which I see Golden

526
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: State hoisting the trophy at the at the end of this, Man,

527
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: there's just too many factors that I think need to

528
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna need to go right in the playoffs.

529
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Speaker 3: I agree, but I do think that they are really good.

530
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: I think that they are a scary first round draw

531
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs now in a way that they weren't

532
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: a month ago. And I think that they are clearly

533
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: now tapping into their ceiling as a basketball team. I

534
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: think that they are unlocking that athleticism on the perimeter.

535
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: I just don't think that Looney was playing at a

536
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: level this year where you could justify giving him twenty

537
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: something minutes a game starting him like you did last

538
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: year's playoff run, when obviously he was awesome, especially on

539
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: the glass. But now the spacing is so much better,

540
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: as Logan mentioned, and that offensive congestion, having the sort

541
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: of too big approach to just obvious non shooters with

542
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: how Draymond was shooting the ball last year, really shrunk

543
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: the floor for them. And I do still wonder in

544
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: a playoff setting. There's no question that it's a better

545
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: situation now, and really everybody on the floor can handle

546
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: and everybody can knock down an open jumper. I still

547
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: worry if Draymond sustains this level, if Kaminga sustains the

548
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: necessary level as a three point shooter. Wiggans obviously has

549
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: been super volatile this year, Like, those are guys who

550
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: in the regular season you respect as floor spacers. In

551
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: a playoff chess match, I worry a little bit about

552
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: having a few guys who, yeah, can knock down those

553
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: shots but consistently aren't necessarily great three point shooters. But overall,

554
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: I just think it's so much better basketball Offensively. Draymond

555
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: does unlock so much with his playmaking logan you mentioned

556
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: pushing the tempo pods has been awesome there too. What

557
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: Draymond does facilitating those split actions, like, it's just really

558
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: pretty basketball. They look like the Warriors right now. They're

559
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: doing their stuff, and when Draymond comes back, he changes

560
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of those dynamics. Not only does he

561
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: allow them to play these sort of small ball looks

562
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: because he's such a freak defensively, he really does do

563
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: so much to unlock everything that this team can do

564
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: in terms of the creativity away from the ball, and

565
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: they've just been way better when he's on the floor.

566
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: When he plays, they outscore opposing teams by six points

567
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: four hundre posessions. They're legitimately a really good basketball team,

568
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 3: and we're seeing that right now, particularly with the small

569
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 3: ball lineup that has Pods in there with Clay, Curry, Wiggs,

570
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: Kaminga and they've still been good. But when you put

571
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: Pods in there instead of Clay, that is a plus

572
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: twenty six net rating, not a huge stample size, but

573
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: we've seen them legitimately run that lineup with good volume

574
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: over this last ten plus game stretch with Ray at

575
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: the five, and they're just killing people. So I think

576
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: that if you are looking at a matchup against say

577
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: the Clippers, as we saw a couple days ago, they

578
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: easily could have won that game, or the Suns, who

579
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: they did beat, like these teams who don't have these overwhelming,

580
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: super physical, big front lines, then I think this team

581
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: can run and gun, and I think that they can

582
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: hold up defensively in those matchups, and I think that

583
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: they give themselves the best shot at an upset where

584
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: I get concerned about it. The reason I can't say

585
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: that I could see them winning the title is that

586
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: means you have to find a way to beat the

587
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: Denver Nuggets, and the Denver Nuggets are going to be

588
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 3: way way bigger than you, stronger than you, and still

589
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 3: have this tremendous offensive skill, still have this unbelievable perimeter

590
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: shot making, have all this continuity, have the best player

591
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: on the floor, and that's a really tough mountain against

592
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: the Clippers. Also, I think like you should play small

593
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: against them. That gives you your best chance. But also

594
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: they just have more of those star level shot creators,

595
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: and that's what concerns me. Logan, you mentioned the reliance

596
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: on the three. It's the Golden State Warriors. They've always

597
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: been relying on the three. They're an outlier because they

598
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: have the greatest shooter of all time and the second

599
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: greatest shooter of all time. Like, that's not what concerns me.

600
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: What concerns me is the lack of a second guy

601
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: who can really threaten defenses with the ball in his hands.

602
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: They don't have obviously what Kevin Durant did, but they

603
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: also don't have Jordan Poole in twenty twenty two, who

604
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: was awesome in that playoff run. They don't have a

605
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson who was more comfortable putting the ball on

606
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: the floor, like at least was a capable athlete, right,

607
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: And that, to me is the one thing that they

608
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: had to find a way to acquire at the deadline.

609
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: Kaminga of course brings you some of that on ball

610
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: scoring with his mismatch attacking, but it's different. And I

611
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: do worry a little bit about guys in playoff settings

612
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: who are so specifically reliant on athletic tools and don't

613
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: necessarily have that skilled shot making. So they are playing

614
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: so much better. They have found the best version of themselves.

615
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: But against like the best teams in the West, it's

616
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: kind of the same thing where it's like, all right,

617
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: can they hang physically and do they have that second

618
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: star that all of these other teams are gonna have?

619
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: And I'm still not convinced on those fronts.

620
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: So I put the Warriors based on everything I've seen

621
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: in this last month or so, basically right in the

622
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: same tier with all of those teams that are below

623
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: Denver and the Clippers, which is I think they're really

624
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: good playoff teams that have big red flags. And you

625
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: can say that about literally every team outside like whether

626
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: it's the thunder just being kind of small and inexperienced,

627
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: whether it's the Timberwolves having issues with late game offense

628
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: and execution, whether it's the Suns with their lack of physicality.

629
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: You know, we can go on and on down the list.

630
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: They all have their issues, and so first there's a

631
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: lot of good one eight of their last ten, the

632
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: Steph Draymond Kmingo Wiggins line up up regardless of who

633
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: it is at the two are plus sixteen net one

634
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: twenty offensive rating. That's awesome, one oh four defensive rating.

635
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: That's awesome. But they have in my opinion, three major issues,

636
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: and these three issues are specifically bothering them at the

637
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: end of games. Although there is some one of them

638
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: in particular is kind of stretching into other elements of

639
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: the game. So, first of all, on the offensive end

640
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: of the floor, they incredibly they're incredibly dependent, specifically on

641
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: Steph's shot making at the end of games. I went

642
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: back this morning, even though I watched the games live,

643
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I just wanted to just look over the film a

644
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: little bit closer at all the Warriors offensive possessions as

645
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: they kind of blew things light against Utah and then

646
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: as they blew things late against the Clippers, and it's

647
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: just like it's Steph running around in circles until he

648
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: can get a shot. That's literally what it is, and

649
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: like when it goes in, it looks good and when

650
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't, they just don't really have another option. And

651
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: like here's the thing. Steph throughout most of the season,

652
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: with the exception of like these last two games have

653
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: been a little bit on the rougher side, but like

654
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: he's he's made a lot of those shots. But the

655
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: problem is is even with Steph making almost fifty percent

656
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: of his shots, you know, well over forty percent of

657
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: his threes in these clutch situations over the last fifteen games,

658
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: the Warriors have gone to crunch time eight of those

659
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: fifteen games, and they have a one to h five

660
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: offensive rating. So regardless of Steph making a good amount

661
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: of these shots, it's not amounting to points on a

662
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: per possession basis. And like one of the things I

663
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: talked about, you had mentioned rock fight. I think it

664
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: was Logan who had brought that up. When you get

665
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: into these rock fights, like a lot of times those

666
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: jumpers do miss because guys are just tired. And that

667
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: that That's not to say Steph won't make some of them.

668
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: He's the best shooter of all time. But like this

669
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: is why, like you know, early in the season, we

670
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: were preaching, like go get a Siakam because like he's

671
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: a guy that can turn his back to the basket,

672
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: bully his way close to the rim, and try to

673
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: make something happen there. And like, honestly, like this is

674
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: where I have some more Like both of you guys

675
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: are really low on the Warriors as a championship contender.

676
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I like I said, I

677
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: put them in that tier below the Nuggets and the Clippers,

678
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: but I think they have as good of a chance

679
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: as any of those other teams. And the main reason

680
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: why some of these problems are fixable, for instance, like

681
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: throw some variety in there at the end of the games. Offensively,

682
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: don't rely only on Steph. If you can find a

683
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: way to give some of those possessions to Kaminga on

684
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: post ups or Wiggins on ISOs, or even just running

685
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: more of your motion stuff and getting the ball in

686
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: Pajemski's hand, who's done a really nice job of kind

687
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: of hoeing that line of aggression and keeping the ball movement.

688
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: Like if you do something like that, you buy some

689
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: more time for rest for Steph where he might be

690
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: able to make more of those shots. The second big

691
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: piece of it is the defensive end of the floor

692
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: they have in those eight clutch games over the last fifteen,

693
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: they have a one to thirty Dick's defensive rating. It

694
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: has been a consistent issue this year, and that even

695
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: extends to fourth quarters at large. Now again, I was like,

696
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: let's go look at the tape. So I was looking

697
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: at the tape specifically of the Clippers game, and I

698
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is fixable. This is not

699
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: a group that has bad defensive personnel. Draymond Green is

700
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: one of the very best back line anchors that you

701
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: can have for defense in the NBA. Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kaminga,

702
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Gary Payton, Brandon Pitziemski. That is a good core of

703
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: perimeter defenders. They are capable of being a much better

704
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: defense than they have been. And one of the big

705
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: things that I've noticed, and this is on Steve Kerr,

706
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: they have been a little bit like the old Raptors

707
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: teams under Nick Nurse, where they're just overly aggressive and

708
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: unnecessarily overhelping the Norman Powell's left corner three, the one

709
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: that bet Brandon Pitzemski ran over his head and then

710
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: he kind of pumped baked and leaned in and shot.

711
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: It was a possession where they basically for no particular

712
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: reason at all, double teams Paul George on a pick

713
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: and roll when they didn't really need to, and it

714
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: left an easy skip pass because Pazemski had to tag

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: the roller. There was a play where Norman Palell made

716
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: a three in the right corner. This is the one

717
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: where Draymond Green went flying past him and swiped over

718
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: his head and missed and Norman Palall made the three.

719
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: Jonathan Kaminga was guarding Russell Westbrook in the dunker spot

720
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: and it was in a great position to help on

721
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: James Harden's drive on Brandon Pazemski and Draymond Green vacated

722
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: the strong side corner to overhelp and gave up an

723
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: open three when he was not the right person to

724
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: help there, and in general should not help out of

725
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: the strong side corner, especially off of basically the best

726
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: spot up shooter in basketball right now at is execution based.

727
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: Steph Curry overhelped on a Russell Westbrook drive out of

728
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: the right side corner. Like it's been a consistent issue,

729
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: and then so I look at it as some fixable

730
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: stuff on defense that's just execution. And then we talked

731
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: about the Steph Curry focus on the offense late in

732
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: the games, which I think has kind of led to

733
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: some diminishing returns. And then, last, but not least, they

734
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: are a dog shit rebounding team. Like it is a

735
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: big problem now. They've been a good rebounding team for

736
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: most of the season, in large part, like you mentioned, Carson,

737
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: going with bigger lineups playing more of Kevon Looney. But

738
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: this is a crazy stat. First of all, let's start

739
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: big picture, Steph, Draymond Kmingo Wiggins. That main lineup, even

740
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: with as dominant as they've been, only a sixty nine

741
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: point eight percent defensive rebounding percentage. That's not good. Here's

742
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: another crazy stat for you. In the Jazz and Clippers games,

743
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 2: in crunch time seven minutes of crunch time, they gave

744
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: up an offensive rebound on eighty seven point five percent

745
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: of their opponent's misses in those two games. Think about

746
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: how crazy that is. If you were watching the Get

747
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: Jazz game and it felt like every single time they

748
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: missed they tapped it out and got an offensive rebound,

749
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: it's because they did. They finally got one stop at

750
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: the end of the Clippers game. It was a James

751
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: Harden step back three at the top of the key.

752
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: Nobody boxed out Russell Westbrook. He got an offensive rebound.

753
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: And again, if you look down the roster, if you

754
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: look at Draymond Green, you look at John Kamika, you

755
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: look at Andrew Wiggins, that's a lot of athleticism and

756
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: long arms. They just have to do a better job.

757
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: And so like some of it is like like you

758
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: mentioned Carson, like there are gonna be certain matchups like

759
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: Denver's just bigger and more athletic than them on the

760
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 2: front line, even with those guys, and so there's gonna

761
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: be some limitations in the bigger picture. But I do

762
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: think some of this is fixable. There is some better

763
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: offensive process. Can they beat the can they match some

764
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: of the firepower that other teams can bring to the table. No,

765
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: But I think I don't think there are a one

766
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: to oh five offensive rating clutch team either. I think

767
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: there's some room for improvement there defensively again not overhelping,

768
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: and then as a team doing a better job rebounding.

769
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: So again, they're just like any of these other teams.

770
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Their fate depends on their ability to address their weaknesses

771
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: and reach their individual ceiling, and so I do put

772
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: them in that tier. I just think there are a

773
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: lot of things that have to go right. Are you guys,

774
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Let's go back to go back to you guys really quickly, Logan,

775
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: what are you guys noticing in your time watching the

776
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: late game off and stuff with the Warriors. Is it

777
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: something that you think is fixable or are you more

778
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: concerned about it?

779
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: No, I definitely think it's fixable, and I think you

780
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: make a great point of what the Warriors could be doing. Differently,

781
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Steph Curry has the weight to the world on his shoulders. Man,

782
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 1: he's atlas. He is holding up this team in any

783
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: scenario you talk about him running around, Jason, I thought

784
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: about that game.

785
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: I think it was.

786
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: Double ot versus the Lakers. He scores that one bucket.

787
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: The two games actually, the one against the Lakers and

788
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: then the one against Phoenix. He literally drives on Anthony Davis,

789
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: runs all the way to the hoop, dribbles back out

790
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: to the right elbow, gives him a hesitation, and luckily

791
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis opens up the gate so Steph Curry can

792
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: go in and get that lay up to tie the

793
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: game up, sends it to Ot late in the game

794
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: against the Suns, Bradley Beal bites on an inbounds pass

795
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: and leaves Steph wide open for that deep, game winning three.

796
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: He is the league game offense. I think he is

797
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: a much better job of, like you said, alleviating the pressure,

798
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: giving him a breather. I mean, if anybody, and I

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: think they have guys that they can turn to. It's

800
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: like you guys said, it's Wigans is not at the

801
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: level he was during the run. They don't have a

802
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: guy like Jordan Poole, but they have guys that they

803
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: can rely on, like if it's kaminga being physical and

804
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: just like you said, get touching the ball in the paint.

805
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: It's not even about getting the shot down there. It's

806
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: about creating the advantage, drawing the attention to the paint

807
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: and that'll open up everything else with the team. And

808
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: I think they should lean on Pods more too, like

809
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: they have personnel. I think it is about execution. But

810
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: STEP's a goat. But I don't think he can carry

811
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: them single handedly through the playoffs in these big moments.

812
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: It's just too much pressure on his shoulders. But I

813
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: do think it's fixable. I think they have the personnel

814
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: in place to make it happen.

815
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: It's tough. I'm honestly not super confident about this team's

816
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: clutch offense specifically, and this year they have had like

817
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: a comedy of errors and of mind blowing losses. Obviously,

818
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: they're twenty seventh and fourth quarter net rating like it's

819
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: and the Pistons, that's who they're hanging around with. It's

820
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: crazy some of the games they've lost late this year.

821
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: So it's not that things are disastrous to that extent forever,

822
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: but I do think this was a bad clutch offense.

823
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 3: Last year they were twenty fourth in clutch offensive rating,

824
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: and then out of sixteen playoff teams, they were thirteenth

825
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: in clutch offensive rating. And the reality is, when you

826
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: have one high level shot creator on your team, and

827
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: that guy is particularly reliant on pull up jump shots,

828
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: it's tough to manufacture a good clutch offense. Like there

829
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: are ways to make the most out of the attention

830
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: that Steph demands, but generally it's more like structured ato

831
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You think about that clay game winner,

832
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: where Steph is a super effective diversion. At the end

833
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: of the day, though you're probably not gonna run a

834
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: lot of actions where it's like, all right, can Steph

835
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: get open away from the ball in these last ninety seconds,

836
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: or maybe he draws a second defender that opens up

837
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: something for somebody else. It's like, you're gonna probably mostly

838
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: put the ball in Steph's hands and the defense is

839
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: gonna know that, and he might have to take a

840
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: tough pull up. So I'm not super optimistic about that

841
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: because I really think when you don't have another guy

842
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: who can threaten defenses with their shot creation, and I'm

843
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: just not sure in clutch spots Kaminga is that guy,

844
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: there's kind of a ceiling to what you can do.

845
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again when it comes to the Kamingo Wigan stuff,

846
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: the idea there would be you're not scoring right now anyway,

847
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: running everything through Steph like it's yeah, and it's not,

848
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: And it's not a Steph issue. It's just a simple

849
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: matter of like like like Logan put it, You're you're

850
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: at liss, You're doing everything, and it's just specifically when

851
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: you're relying on pull up jump shooting, your legs come

852
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: into the equation a lot more. Again, if we could

853
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: just cut his usage down a little bit that could

854
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: go a long way towards him being more efficient. And

855
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: and then again just part of the issue too is like,

856
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: because they lean so much into Steph, when another guy

857
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: gets an opportunity to even like look at the rim

858
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: that they won't they'll turn and look for Steph. Because

859
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: it's like it's almost it's almost become like the it's

860
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: like you better not like you better get that ball

861
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: back to Steph. He's our one hope here. And it's like,

862
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: I think in general, even though the Wiggans possessions might

863
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: lead to some frustration and the Kaminga possessions might lead

864
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: to some frustration, his jumper, by the way, is gone

865
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: right off of the ledge after it was red hot

866
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: there for a little while. Like that's one of those

867
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: things where you are more unpredictable offensively. If we come

868
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: out of the time out and it's like, well, are

869
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: they gonna post up Kaminga, Are they gonna use Steph

870
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: as a screener to try to get one of these

871
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: guys downhill or are they gonna run this action for Steph?

872
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Whereas if it's like it's gonna be Steph, you know,

873
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: and it's like okay, We're gonna switch the ball screen

874
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: with put Anthony Davis on, and we'll live with the results.

875
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: Like that's it just becomes it just becomes really predictable.

876
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's agree, go ahead.

877
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: I think that that is absolutely correct, and I think

878
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: that leads to marginal improvement. I'm just not sure that

879
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: it solves the fundamental issue of Steph is the scariest

880
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: guy on the floor by so far in all those situations.

881
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: For sure, No one hundred percent agree Logan or not.

882
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna start with you, Carson, who do you believe

883
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: in more the Thunder or the Timberwolves as a championship contender.

884
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: This is a tough one, and we've had this conversation before.

885
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: I think that OKC has a lot of advantages. I

886
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: think that in this series, they pretty clearly have the

887
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: best player on the floor. SGA is playing at an unbelievable,

888
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: consistent superstar level. I think that they clearly have the

889
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: higher level of overall offensive perimeter skill. When you just

890
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: consider that they're going to play five out a whole

891
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: lot of time, and so many dudes can handle. So

892
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: many dudes are quit good athletes. The spacing is just

893
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: clearly better, whereas Minnesota, although Kat is obviously super skilled big,

894
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: they still are running these two big looks with a

895
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: very conventional offensive five, and they are really just like

896
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: a quick athletic team. I'm looking forward to seeing them

897
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: with Gordon Hayward when he debuts after the All Star break,

898
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: because to me, the biggest red flag about this team

899
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Arguably at the very least, there's a

900
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: couple other ones experience as we talked about strength, physicality

901
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: in the front court, but particularly playing Josh Kitty twenty

902
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: five minutes a game just doesn't do it for me.

903
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: I think that when you have a guy who is

904
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: not a plus athlete, not a plus touch shot maker,

905
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: certainly not a plus defender, and then really struggles to

906
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: knock down open catch and shoot jumpers like that guy's

907
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: just gonna get played off the floor in a playoff series.

908
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how snazzy, how sick of a passer

909
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: he is. There's too many exploitable weaknesses there, particularly against Minnesota.

910
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: We saw the Minnesota Simberwolves do what any Rudy Gobert

911
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: Anchor defense loves to do more than anything in the world,

912
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: which is park Rudy and the paint have him as

913
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: a full time helper. Say let's put him on the

914
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: weakest shooter on the team who can just sit in

915
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: the corner, and Rudy doesn't have to guard that guy,

916
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: And that's what they did against Josh Gitty. If it's

917
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward, who brings all the same good traits, the playmaking,

918
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: the ability to create in those driving kick situations, to

919
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: handle out of pick and roll, he does all of that,

920
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: but he's better in terms of the scoring on ball.

921
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: And then he also will actually knock down forty percent

922
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: of his catch and choot jumpers. So maybe seeing that

923
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 3: realized changes my opinion on this, because I have concerns

924
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: about Minnesota.

925
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: Jason.

926
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: Last time we were on with you, or maybe the

927
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: time before that, you harped on Minnesota's clutch offense, and

928
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: that has become more and more of a concern to

929
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: me as of late. It really matters that you're a

930
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: damn good half court offense if you want to make

931
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: a deep playoff run, and they just aren't, and in

932
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: the clutch in particular, they haven't been. But ultimately I

933
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: still think they are a much more mature basketball team.

934
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: In terms of playoff experience, they are much more physically mature.

935
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean, they are just so much stronger and more physical.

936
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: I like the depth for both of these teams, so

937
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily a huge difference maker for me, and

938
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: I really do believe that this defense is going to

939
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: be elite regardless of the matchup. I wonder a little

940
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: bit if like the Thunder could attack cat and space

941
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 3: because they have so many quick guys who can handle

942
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: the ball and they can run, and really those four

943
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: perimeter players at all time lineups, and then chet at

944
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: your five who are super skilled from the perimeter too.

945
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: But you mentioned the Rock Fight, and it does feel

946
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: like in those hyper physical environments, Minnesota still just fares

947
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: a little bit better, and they've been there before. But

948
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's really close for me here because Okay,

949
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: See is pretty clearly the better offensive team, and I

950
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: don't necessarily see that changing, but I do think Minnesota

951
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: can kind of grind people down with elite defense and

952
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: then just enough of that half court shot making from

953
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: from Att and Kat.

954
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: It's very close between these teams, and Minnesota does scare

955
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: me in some hypothetical matchups like five out against the Clippers,

956
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: five out against the Warriors, five out against the thunder

957
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: of Gordon Hayward, you know, is really effective in those lineups.

958
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: Like I think that's the kind of way to beat

959
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota is to draw them out. But I do just

960
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: have more confidence in Minnesota, and they've been really impressive

961
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: and their last ten they're number one in net rating,

962
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: they're number five offensive rating, number one in defensive rating,

963
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: and they do just have physical advantages where like you know,

964
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: in those scenarios offensively and in certain possessions, like the

965
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: Warriors do scam me, but they're gonna crush them on

966
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: the glass, like go bear seven to one, seven nine wingspan,

967
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Towns seven foot, seven to four wingspan. McDaniels is somewhere

968
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: between six nine and six eleven within your seven foot wink.

969
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: They're huge. Anthony Edwards is a tank, you know what

970
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean. They're just they're big and physical, and I

971
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: think their track record's kind of proven this regular season.

972
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: They're twenty and eleven on the road. They have the

973
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: best record in the league versus teams that are above

974
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: five hundred. Like, yeah, I do worry about this offense

975
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: stalling out in a half court setting spacing issues because

976
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: with Rudy Gobert, Karl Anthony Towns disappearing on a big stage.

977
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Right now, they're twentieth and clutch offensive rating one oh

978
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: seven point nine. That's the fifth lowest of any current eight,

979
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: top eight seed, any current playoff team that's in there.

980
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: And okay, see that's not a problem. They have the

981
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: number one half court offense in basketball. They have the

982
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: number three much offensive rating this year, like okay, so

983
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have those offensive weaknesses Minnesota does. But

984
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: I like their track record. I like their defense more.

985
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I like their continuity. And I don't know, man, I

986
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: I kind of like the vibes of this team. I

987
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I like the I like the vibes

988
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: in Minnesota right now, to say the least, you guys,

989
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: did you guys see the shirt that Mike Conley was

990
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: wearing the other night, the finchy shirt. I don't know, man,

991
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: I like the I like the energy of Minnesota a lot.

992
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: Is a bit of a cop out. Minnesota is huge,

993
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: and that ultimately is the distinction to me. I believe

994
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: in the defense. I believe in their physical and athletic

995
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: and advantages in a grimy, nasty playoff environment where it's

996
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: tough to get a bucket. I think Minnesota is is

997
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: equipped to deal with those environments.

998
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: So this is gonna come off as like, okay, C slander,

999
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: which I don't intend it to, because here's the thing,

1000
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm super super high on Oklahoma City in the big picture.

1001
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: I even love the Gordon Hayward pick up. I mean,

1002
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: to put it simple, He's just a way better basketball

1003
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: player than the Josh Giddy and so and so. You

1004
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: basically turned what was a weak fit guy in your

1005
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: best five into essentially a guy who's arguably perfect. Maybe

1006
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: not positionally, but at least in terms of like veteran

1007
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: guy who could do all the little things well in

1008
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: terms of like a connectivity type of piece. Like, I

1009
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: think it just makes a ton of sense. I also, like,

1010
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: I was literally thinking about this last night. This this

1011
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: thought hit me randomly because our next question we're going

1012
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: to be talking about Kendrick Perkins and his mythological superstar

1013
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: trade that he says is going to happen this summer.

1014
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this last night. I was like, man, like,

1015
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: what if the bucks just go up in flames in

1016
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: like a really ugly way. And then next year they

1017
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: tried again and it's just as bad. And then all

1018
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the Bucks look around and they have

1019
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: no assets in a bunch of old role players. And

1020
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: then Yiannis goes like I want to out of here.

1021
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: You know who's getting them?

1022
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Right?

1023
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is like they're they're throwing seven or eight

1024
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: first round picks at him, and and like that's literally

1025
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: the position they need so bad? Is that that power

1026
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: forward position, and like that that's where it could get really,

1027
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: really scary. And obviously, who knows, maybe jannest would prefer

1028
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: a bigger market, But like, I just look at it, like, man,

1029
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that last night. I was like,

1030
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: oh god, that could be completely terrifying. But to put

1031
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: it simply within the lens of this season, I think

1032
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: the Timberwolves are a significantly better playoff threat. And I'm

1033
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: before I even go any further, I'm just gonna spit

1034
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: it back to you guys. Let's quit looking at this

1035
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: as Minnesota versus Oklahoma City, Carson. Which team has a

1036
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: better chance to beat Denver? Yeah? Minnesota, Like it's they

1037
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: they match up so much better physically. Like again, like

1038
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: I Oklahoma City has had some advantages in the regular

1039
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: season against Denver, but Denver has been kind of a

1040
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: mediocre regular Like they're going through another one of the

1041
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: those like kind of patches right now, or they could

1042
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: give a shit on any given night, and like guys

1043
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: are hurt, and like, I think Denver would eat Oklahoma

1044
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: City alive in a playoff series personally, Logan, would you

1045
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: take Minnesota or Oklahoma City against Denver?

1046
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: Oh? Easily Minnesota.

1047
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that, like, let's just stop beating around

1048
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: the bush here for a second. Like, like Carson you

1049
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: actually said earlier when we were talking about the Warriors,

1050
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: like everything has to be looked through the lens of

1051
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: how do we beat Denver? And I just don't. I

1052
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: just don't think Oklahoma City has anywhere near the physical

1053
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: presence they need to hang in that series for seven games.

1054
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: And I mean we literally just saw Minnesota, Like as

1055
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: much as the issues that they can have offensively at

1056
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: the end of games, they also have the ability to

1057
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: just completely lock up the other team lat in games.

1058
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: We literally just saw this against the Clippers the other night.

1059
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: And even with some of their half court offense stuff,

1060
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: there's a physical imposition to where it's like, oh, you

1061
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: finally get a stop at Rudy Gobert just tapped the

1062
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: ball out. They have another offensive rebound, they can have

1063
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: another go at it. There's a look at like there's

1064
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: a pretty consistent theme. I'll be it in only two series.

1065
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: But like Anthony Edwards, his athleticism just translates to a

1066
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: really really good NBA playoff player. I it just and

1067
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 2: then and then then there's always just the NBA history

1068
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: part like it, like it would you rather have the young, inexperienced,

1069
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: small team that has a ship ton of talent or

1070
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: the big, strong, veteran team that has a shit ton

1071
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: of talent, like like, let's just let's just let's just

1072
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: get down to the to the nitty gritty here. So

1073
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: like I I I think I think I would take

1074
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: Minnesota over them, And and to be clear, I'm not

1075
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: I am so high on Oklahoma City long term. I

1076
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: just think I think they're a really really good team

1077
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: that is that is lacking some specific things that I

1078
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: think are necessary to succeed in the NBA playoffs. Did

1079
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: you guys have any follow ups? There? Can we move

1080
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: on just real quick?

1081
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: I mean literally, nobody guards the nugget better than the

1082
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 3: Minnesota Timberwolves because they have the perfect formula of cat

1083
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: can hold up physically as a post defender with Jokis.

1084
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 3: That's not to say that he's gonna make them like

1085
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: actively uncomfortable, but he holds up better than like most

1086
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: teams number one post defense option, which then allows Gobert

1087
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: to disrupt things as help to disrupt all of those

1088
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: lobs and bounce passes to Aaron Gordon. They have the

1089
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: athletes on the perimeter, So I do think that that's

1090
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: ultimately what it comes down to. Like Jokic would take

1091
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 3: Okac's lunch every single possession. He literally said, like Chet,

1092
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: you need to get fatter, and that's very real for

1093
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: that specific matchup. So I agree definitely on that everything's

1094
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: gonna go through Denver. In Minnesota, it would still be

1095
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: a long shot, but they just have a better formula.

1096
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: Logan any follow ups, I completely agree.

1097
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that they the physical imposition.

1098
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Minnesota is one of the most physical and athletic teams

1099
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: in the league. It's just it's gonna if there's one

1100
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: thing that's been proven to I mean that's gonna directly

1101
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: translate to good on playoff basketball, and I think they

1102
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: match up well physically against and any team that gonna

1103
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: run into too. And yeah, I wouldn't pick it, but

1104
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: I can definitely see Minnesota giving him giving him trouble.

1105
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: All Right. So I saw something on Twitter the other

1106
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: day from Kendrick Perkins talking about how he is not

1107
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: supposed to tell anybody, but there is a there is

1108
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: a star that's going to be a Los Angeles Laker

1109
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: after next year. I I am almost certain that he's

1110
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: referencing Trey Young. I had been hearing some stuff behind

1111
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: the scenes kind of hinting in this direction for a while.

1112
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: I had heard that Trey Young and Clutch are really

1113
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: really have no interest in Trey being in Atlanta for

1114
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: a rebuild or reboot or anything along those lines, obviously

1115
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: him being a Clutch client. It's a name that we've

1116
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: seen mentioned in reports in terms of guys that the

1117
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: Lakers would potentially be targeting. We even had a report

1118
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: that I saw, and I can't even remember who put

1119
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: this out there, but that the Hawk are considering rebuilding

1120
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: around Dejante Murray. And I was like, okay, yeah, like

1121
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: this is this is the clearly direction this is going

1122
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: so I have my thoughts as it pertains to the

1123
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: Lakers making a Tray Young trade this summer, and it's

1124
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: it's really this simple to me. If I'm Atlanta, I'm going, okay, cool,

1125
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: I want all three of your first round draft picks.

1126
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: I want Austin Reeves, I want Max Christy, and I

1127
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: want Jared Vanderbilt, basically every positive asset that the Lakers have.

1128
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: And I also think that you could see a team

1129
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: like a potentially a like a Utah getting involved, although

1130
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: like County George had a really nice game last night,

1131
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: so maybe they're they're higher on him in the long term,

1132
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: but like San Antonio is a team that I could

1133
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: see getting involved. And there are just a lot teams,

1134
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: a lot of teams that have more to offer, but

1135
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: you know how clutch can be in the way that

1136
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: they can kind of flex their muscles to try to

1137
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: get Trey in a certain spot. And so I think

1138
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: that if you went to LA, that's what the deal

1139
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: would look like. And maybe if you're lucky, Rob could

1140
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: fight to keep Vanderbilt in a deal like that, but

1141
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: it's hard to say. And so then I think about

1142
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: Trey Young, D'Angelo Russell, Lebron James at age forty and

1143
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis, and I don't see that team as being

1144
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: really that much of a threat for the same reason

1145
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: this year's team has some issues the lack complete and

1146
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: total lack of two way perimeter talent. So from there,

1147
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 2: I look at it more as like a future move

1148
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: for the Lakers, like, hey, we need a post Lebron

1149
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: all star to partner with Anthony Davis to make sure

1150
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: that he's willing to stay and basically venture into this

1151
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: next era of NBA basketball. And even then, I don't

1152
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: necessarily like this idea for the Lakers based on the

1153
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: simple fact that I'm not sure that an Anthony Davis

1154
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Trey Young duo is all that highly placed in the NBA,

1155
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: which puts us in a perfect situation to brank NBA duos.

1156
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do. Logan, you're gonna go first.

1157
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 2: I want you to give me your rundown ranked one

1158
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: through whatever of every NBA duo, ending with where you

1159
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: would put an Anthony Davis and Trey Young duo.

1160
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: I kind of like the thought of a Tree Young

1161
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: a d pairing. I would go Yo Kitchen Murray one.

1162
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I would go KD D Book two, I'd go Kawhi

1163
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: and PG three. I think I'd go Stephen Draymond four,

1164
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Bam five, Luca and Kyrie six, and then

1165
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: Trey and A D probably seven. Do you guys think

1166
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm too high on them?

1167
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry?

1168
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: Did you say Jannison dam in there somewhere?

1169
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: Screw d?

1170
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want me to say, Dude.

1171
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

1172
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: I was, I was like, is this a mistake? Like,

1173
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: what's going on? I'm confused, dude.

1174
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: Mogan literally thinks that the Bucks are going to be

1175
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: the first team in the history they'll get demoted, They're

1176
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 3: going to institute the Premier League system and send them

1177
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: down to the G That isan, Dame.

1178
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm high. I'm I'm a huge Steph fan too, but

1179
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: Stephan Draymond is not as also agreed, also agreed.

1180
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: Outside of that, Jimmy and Bam in a playoff setting,

1181
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: it's like they're capable of really good things. But I

1182
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: certainly think that ad Tray has higher upside. If you

1183
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: get like Ad who decides he wants to be aggressive offensively,

1184
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: and then we know that BAM's offense can wax and wane.

1185
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: Jimmy has consistently elevated his level, but I don't know how.

1186
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to bet against it, ever, but it's like,

1187
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: we know what Trey can do caring an offense with

1188
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: just every single possession, I can get us a good

1189
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: shot out of pick and roll. So for my list,

1190
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: I agree with Jokich Murray, I agree with Katie Book,

1191
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: Johannison Dame I think is a no brainer. Then I

1192
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: think you start to get into the territory where you

1193
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: can kind of argue with theoretical tray and ad over anyone.

1194
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: I think that Luca and Kyrie are playing unbelievably well

1195
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: this year, and I think that of course Luca is

1196
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: having a historic season and is the best he's ever been,

1197
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: but Kyrie is all doing an awesome job of floating

1198
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: that offense in non Luca minutes, of complimenting Luca like

1199
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: just hyper efficient, crazy shot making, good playmaking all the

1200
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: things that he does. I also think embiid MAXI is

1201
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: at least on the fringes of these conversations because we

1202
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: kind of gotta see MAXI do it as that number

1203
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: two option as the number one perimeter guy in a

1204
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: playoff environment. But I do think that he's pretty awesome.

1205
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: I think he's a pretty legit efficient, twenty five point

1206
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: per game score improved playmaker who at least has more

1207
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 3: tools to defend at the point of attack than like

1208
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: a Trey Young. But those two are both pretty close.

1209
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: And then to me, you have to have Trey and

1210
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: AD because I think that they do complement each other's

1211
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: games pretty well. I think that you would probably get

1212
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: the best version of AD playing with Trey, just because

1213
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: he's never played with a guy who spoon feeds him

1214
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: looks like that out of pick and roll, Like Lebron

1215
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: has never run pick and roll at that sort of

1216
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: volume with the Lakers.

1217
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Like because they just switch it.

1218
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they switch it. Whereas now you're going to

1219
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 3: be looking at teams in drop and Trey's just gonna

1220
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: toast them and he's gonna hit those lobs AD all

1221
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: game and it's gonna be really easy for him offensively

1222
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: and then defensively, eighty is the best defender on the

1223
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: planet still to me, and so he can hide Tray's

1224
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: issues better than a whole lot of other teams. And

1225
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: I want to be clear Trey does still have issues

1226
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: just because we've seen like the whole Trey Young is

1227
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: a good defender narrative brewing. I don't know if you've

1228
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: seen that, Jason, but it's a real hot topic these days,

1229
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: and I think that we have a real struggle collectively

1230
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: between separating improved from good. Trey Young is an improved

1231
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: defender who is playing with more effort, who is making

1232
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: more plays with his hands. All of that is fair.

1233
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: He is still six foot one, one hundred and sixty

1234
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: pounds with a negative wingspan, a six to two wing span,

1235
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: like he's one of the most physically limited NBA athletes,

1236
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: and so he's never going to be able to be

1237
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: a plus defender in his career. But eighty as a

1238
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: back line guy would do a lot to cover that up.

1239
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: So I like it. I think it's fringe top five.

1240
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: So there's obvious basketball fit stuff, the simple fact that

1241
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: Ad and Trey you're gonna have to guard in some

1242
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: sort of traditional pick and roll coverage. If you switch that,

1243
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot of bad results on

1244
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: both ends. Offensively, I think it would be a match

1245
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: made in having. Defensively, again, if you had to construct

1246
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: a defense around Trey it would require someone the likes

1247
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: of Anthony Davis on the back line. I'm not sitting

1248
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: here and pretending like it wouldn't be a very successful

1249
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: duo in the league. My thing is, like, basically what

1250
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm pitching here is when you start to look around

1251
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: at the other duos around the league, and then also

1252
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: the timeline stuff, Like Anthony Davis is, you know, like

1253
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: he by the time this trade takes place, he could

1254
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: be what thirty one, thirty two years old, So like

1255
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: we're getting in is a guy with some injury history.

1256
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: And so the question is whether or not because I

1257
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: have heard things like Donovan Mitchell has some interest in

1258
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: playing in a big market one day, you know, like

1259
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: there's some other guards around the league that are in

1260
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: smaller markets playing really good basketball that maybe in a

1261
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: few years would be more interested in playing in a

1262
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: bigger market. The question is whether or not the Lakers

1263
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: should wait for a bigger fish. And then when you

1264
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: really look at it, it's like, are you gonna have

1265
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: issues on offense with an Austin Dilo backcourt? Probably not so,

1266
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: at least not in the regular season. And so that's

1267
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: where I kind of look at it as an opportunity

1268
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: to wait. Now my list, I have Jokich Murray number one.

1269
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: I actually put dam Jannis too. I did this bit

1270
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: on my show yesterday, but I actually would pick you

1271
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: Honest to win MVP this year. I think he's been

1272
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: the best regular season player in the league. Not by

1273
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: some large margin over Jokics, but by some very small margin.

1274
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: Why Paul George, I think is clearly better than Anthony Davison,

1275
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: Trey Young, like the way you put it as perfect Carson,

1276
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: these are guys you could argue, but I but like

1277
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: like Tatum and Brown, Like that's Tatum is like probably

1278
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: right around the same level as Anthony Davis. And you know,

1279
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Jalen Brown for all of his flaws, like that, like

1280
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: is a guy that's relatively close to a Trey Young.

1281
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: He's in that same conversation. Jimmy and Bam is who

1282
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: I had at five, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker at six.

1283
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: I think that's a group that you could argue at

1284
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: an ad Tray is better, but I would personally rather

1285
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: have Katie and Devin Booker. I personally think Luca is

1286
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: better than Anthony Davis. And in terms of the playoff context,

1287
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Kyrie as my number two than Trey personally,

1288
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: just because especially in that the like kind of supplementary,

1289
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: supplementary kind of playmaking role, like the way he's partnered

1290
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: with Luca. Again, we got to look at it's kind

1291
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: of like the Jokich Murray thing, Like, it doesn't really

1292
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: matter how good Murray is stacked up to the other guards.

1293
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: It's how valuable he is to the Nuggets, And the

1294
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: two of those guys are more valuable than all of

1295
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: these other groups. Like a Luca Kyrie duo, in my opinion,

1296
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: as a better basketball duo than a Trey Young Anthony

1297
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: Davis duo. I even put Embiid Maxie over that group.

1298
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: I think Joel Embiid has the potential to be a

1299
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: wrecking ball that destroys everyone in the NBA playoffs. I

1300
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: don't think Anthony Davis has that potential, So like that

1301
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: to me is the swing factor. I do think Trey

1302
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: Young is better than Tyre's Maxie right now, but who

1303
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: knows in a few years, you know what I mean. So, like,

1304
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, I would probably take those

1305
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: eight duos over Anthony Davis and Trey Young, And so

1306
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: from that standpoint, especially given the Lakers and the way

1307
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: that they're consistently a group that is at the top

1308
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: of the list for stars when they're just gruntled and

1309
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: want to get out, I would lean. I would lean

1310
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: towards passing on Trey and waiting on a bigger fish. So,

1311
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: now that we've discussed the duos, given those lists, would you,

1312
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,479
Speaker 2: if you were the general manager of the Lakers, would

1313
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: you target Trey as the next guy to partner with

1314
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis? Or would you hang tight and wait for

1315
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: something better to develop.

1316
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: I just want to say this. When the Bucks get

1317
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: bounced in the first round, I'm gonna come right back

1318
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: to this. I'm gonna come right back to this.

1319
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: All right, man.

1320
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: When the Indiana Pacers beat the Bucks, as you've prophesied,

1321
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: and Dame spish fifteen on ten percent from the field

1322
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: and Doc calls a timeout they don't have in the

1323
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: last thirty seconds to lose possession and give the other

1324
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: team a free throw. Yeah, and I give you reason

1325
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: forgets how to dribble it. Yeah, Johanna starts taking logo threes.

1326
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1327
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: If it's Indiana, I definitely wouldn't pick that I do

1328
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: think the Bucks are cooked. I would do it, actually,

1329
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: and I think that Trey and Ad would have great chemistries.

1330
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: Carson mentioned like Trey's an exceptional passer out of pick

1331
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: and rolls. I just think about the in between game,

1332
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: the floaters, the pull up, like. I think these are

1333
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: two guys that really compliment each other and would work together.

1334
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: And I think the crucial point of this is to

1335
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: just not waste whatever time you have left of Lebron James.

1336
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: And I think this is probably their biggest need. I

1337
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: don't think the roster is there, and I wouldn't the

1338
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: Lakers to knock off the Nuggets or to make a

1339
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: finals run. I think they need bigger, more athletic, two

1340
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: way guys, point blank period. But I also think they

1341
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: need another secondary shot creator, another guy from the perimeter

1342
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: that can carry this offense. They can open up things

1343
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: for them. And that's the biggest thing to me is

1344
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: just whatever time we have left of Lebron James. You

1345
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: have to maximize that. And I'm not saying that it

1346
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: fully opens the championship window. We don't have a gust

1347
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: coming through here, but there's a breeze, there's a little

1348
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: bit of breeze with that championship window that I buy

1349
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: into enough with tray Lebron and Ad and it's La man.

1350
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: You know, there's a reason that we always theorize these

1351
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: big superstar trades to La Los Angeles makes stuff happen.

1352
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: They make trades, they make crazy deals. So it's not

1353
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: impossible that one offseason we could see a dramatic, crazy

1354
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: roster overhaul or turn around that makes the Lakers legit.

1355
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't predict it because I think I put

1356
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: the cart before the horse this season by taking the

1357
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: Lakers in my championship favorite early this year.

1358
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: Not over yet. There's a breeze there too.

1359
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: Look, it's kind of stuffy in here, fellas. I don't

1360
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: know about y'all. If they get Trey, I kind of

1361
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: like the I like the championship window breeze that I

1362
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: would get with that trio, I would pull the trigger, man.

1363
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what what bigger is Donovan Mitchell? Mitchell the

1364
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: bigger fish, And I understand going for Donovan Mitchell, But

1365
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: I just here's my thing. If Trey Young became available,

1366
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: I would jump at the opportunity to go and get him.

1367
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really the question for me, is would I

1368
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: rather have Trey or Donovan Mitchell in this particular situation.

1369
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: And it's sort of tough because I almost feel like,

1370
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 3: for the last year or two of Lebron, I would

1371
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: rather have Donovan just for a couple reasons, Like I

1372
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: think that Trey is the better manufacturer of team offense

1373
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: single handedly, but you know that Donovan Mitchell like can

1374
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 3: be your number one option for long stretches. We've seen

1375
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: the playmaking from him this year has been very legit

1376
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 3: and then and he is more of a guy who's

1377
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: willing to give you catch and shoot attempts at like

1378
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: a higher volume, and he doesn't singularly dominate the ball

1379
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: in that same way in.

1380
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: Defense season of his career.

1381
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's I mean, right, a much better athlete

1382
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: who maybe isn't like that much taller, but he's got

1383
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: a six to nine wingspan, longer, more athletic, has played

1384
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 3: within like a really good team defense. He has some

1385
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: of that discipline, and Trey has never played on a

1386
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: good team defense in his life. So for those reasons,

1387
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 3: I like Mitchell more for that immediate window. Long term, though,

1388
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 3: if I'm thinking just specifically about how those guys compliment ad.

1389
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: I really do love the offensive fit between Trey and Ad,

1390
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 3: So I think it's honestly gonna depend on, like, if

1391
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: either of those two are available, I would probably take

1392
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: the one who's available. If they're both available, then I

1393
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: think I leaned on of a Mitchell. But to me,

1394
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 3: either way, you need to add that star guard creator

1395
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be imperfect either way, but it's gonna

1396
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: make you a more serious contender because you need that

1397
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: sort of offensive pop and guy who can carry the

1398
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 3: load when Lebron just isn't gonna do that for a

1399
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 3: full thirty six minutes at forty years old.

1400
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would in the context of like a bridge

1401
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: move that gives you a better chance to win next

1402
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: year with Lebron while also having a person to partner

1403
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: with Anthony Davis. It's Donovan Mitchell every single time. For me,

1404
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: I'd much rather have him. I think you could build

1405
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: with Donovan Mitchell. I think you could build a like

1406
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 2: a legitimate championship defense him and Anthony Davis with a

1407
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: you know, if you could maintain a Jared Vander built

1408
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: in a deal like that, Like, I think there's enough

1409
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: athleticism on the perimeter between a guy like Donovan and

1410
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: a guy like Jared to kind of make that functional

1411
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: in a big way. But I do think the Lakers

1412
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: are starting to get to the point where, like, if

1413
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: you're starting to make decisions this summer based on the

1414
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: Lebron version of the team, that gets tricky because he's

1415
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: going to be forty next year. I think I think

1416
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: it's you know, last summer it was very much like, hey,

1417
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: we need to give it one last shot with Lebron.

1418
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 2: We got to try to do something, and by the way,

1419
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: they didn't not, but like, there is a case to

1420
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: be made that we're officially encroaching on that territory now

1421
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: where it's like, what are we gonna do when this

1422
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: guy does, you know, either fall off significantly or experience

1423
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: an old guy injury that takes him out for a

1424
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: season or whatever. It is like, what are we going

1425
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: to do? And that is where I would not like

1426
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: a Trey Young trade if I was running the Lakers,

1427
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: would be like keeping Austin, keeping all of these young players, Ruie,

1428
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: Jared Vanderbilt, retain D'Angelo Russell, and just be this really fun.

1429
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Basically the team you saw in Utah the other night,

1430
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: like a really fun team with a bunch of offensive

1431
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: talent around Anthony Davis, and just wait and wait and

1432
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: wait until a legitimate top ten player becomes available that

1433
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: you can jump on, and within a couple more seasons,

1434
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: you'll have a couple more picks. And that would just

1435
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: be the direction that I would go if I was

1436
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: running the Lakers. If Donovan Mitchell comes available this summer,

1437
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 2: pounce on him. If it's Trey Young, I'd wait and

1438
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: see if if a bigger fish comes available. All right,

1439
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: before we get out of here, we're gonna have to

1440
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: go somewhat quickly here. I want to just do a

1441
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: quick little round the table on each of the top

1442
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: three picks in last year's draft. So we'll start with you,

1443
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 2: Carson Victor Webbin Yama. Are you higher or lower on

1444
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,919
Speaker 2: him than you were when he was drafted?

1445
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: Tough to believe, but I think that I'm a little

1446
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 3: bit higher, and he was universally acknowledged the best prospect

1447
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 3: that we've seen in the last two decades. I think

1448
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: that he is the best rookie that we have seen

1449
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: this century, since the guys coming straight out of high

1450
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: school into one and done era where we weren't getting

1451
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 3: finished products. We weren't getting twenty two year old grown

1452
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 3: men like Tim Duncan anymore. I think that he's the

1453
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: best that we've seen, and on a per minute and

1454
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: per possession basis, what he's been doing offensively since moving

1455
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: to center is ridiculous. He's scoring twenty seven and a

1456
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: half points per seventy five possessions, which is a pretty

1457
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: good estimate of like what a star player should be

1458
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: playing in a normal game. He's just only been giving

1459
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: you twenty seven minutes a night, so he's outscoring like

1460
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 3: every other rookie that we've seen this century. He's doing

1461
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: it with legitimately good efficiency now over fifty nine percent

1462
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: true shooting, and he's just transformed. He took a full

1463
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 3: on lead mid season to where now playing at the

1464
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: five is just better for him because the spacing is

1465
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 3: better in his situation that was really rough offensively still

1466
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: rough because of the guard play, but now he does

1467
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 3: also have Trey Jones who is just more capable of

1468
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: setting him up, so he's getting some more of those

1469
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 3: manufactured looks around the rim where he is a physical

1470
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: outlier like we haven't seen in sixty years. It's ridiculous.

1471
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 3: Put the ball up there and he'll finish it. He's

1472
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 3: the best transition scoring big in basketball. More outlier athleticism there,

1473
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,839
Speaker 3: He to me, has been more decisive and assertive attacking

1474
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,480
Speaker 3: the rim and a bit more comfortable with NBA physicality.

1475
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 3: He's shooting way better, Like he's just playing like a

1476
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 3: bona fide star right now and he's barely twenty years old.

1477
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,879
Speaker 3: And he's the best defensive rookie that we've seen this century.

1478
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: That to me is the separator between him and any

1479
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 3: other candidate that you could have in that conversation. He's

1480
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 3: averaging six per seventy five possessions Like, he's far and

1481
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: away leading the league in steels and blocks combined in

1482
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 3: twenty seven minutes per game. He just has physical tools

1483
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 3: We've never seen seven to four with an eight foot

1484
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: wingspan and can also move this fluidly and has these

1485
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 3: sort of instincts and IQ at this age, it's unbelievable.

1486
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: He recks games defensively in ways that like you almost

1487
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 3: can't conceive of until you see it in the NBA,

1488
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 3: Like you can't really conceive that a physical outlier to

1489
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 3: the extent that Wenby's can actually exist and blending that

1490
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 3: with basketball skill. He's been playmaking better. He's everything that

1491
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: we expected, and I think even a little bit more.

1492
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the skill, the physical ability, the IQ. I couldn't

1493
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: believe it. Like Carson said, I mean, he's the most

1494
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: highly touted guy we've seen since Lebron, and I think

1495
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: he's even better than we expected. He's I said this

1496
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: on the show, our last show, and Carson laughed at me,

1497
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: like he's a baller. And what I meant by that

1498
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: is just he's focused on the game. He is all

1499
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: about some and that's my favorite type of players, the

1500
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows of the world, the guys that are getting

1501
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: to bed early. They're focused on their craft. They're focused

1502
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: on the game, and it really is you can talk

1503
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: about the skill when you can talk about the physical

1504
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: imposition in the traits. His IQ is off the freaking charts. Man,

1505
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: The way he sees the floor is insane. And I

1506
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: think if we opened up the conversation to other guys

1507
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: like I do. Think Carson did a great video, a

1508
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: great breakdown on Victor and why he's the best rookie

1509
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: this century on our YouTube channel. I mean, I think

1510
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: you could expand that conversation. We're gonna do an all

1511
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: time rookie draft later, and I'm really intrigued to see

1512
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: where Wemby goes. I mean, I think you could make

1513
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: the case that Victor is, you know, one of the

1514
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: best rookies in NBA history, point blank period.

1515
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: Dude.

1516
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:49,799
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. And yeah, he's exceeded my really lofty

1517
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: expectations too. Man, He's one of the best rookies ever.

1518
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I'm hiring him as well. And it's

1519
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: really the simple to me, Like I didn't expect him

1520
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,879
Speaker 2: to fight be this impactful at the NBA level this quickly.

1521
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: Like I like Wenby, I think the ceiling is more

1522
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: or less exactly where it was when we talked about

1523
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: him all summer long. We knew he had this type

1524
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: of potential. I just didn't think it would happen this quickly.

1525
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: I mean, like you had mentioned Carson, he literally underwent

1526
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: a leap in the middle of the season. Yeah, and

1527
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: you know you had one of the things that stands

1528
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: out to me because I'm trying to get some some

1529
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: more time with the Dallas Mavericks in the film sessions,

1530
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: because I'm going to try to hit them early next week,

1531
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: and I was watching the Maverick Spurs game from the

1532
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:42,480
Speaker 2: other day and like, his first shift was fucking outrageous,

1533
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, like and you know,

1534
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: there's one guy that I can remember having this type

1535
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: of athletic impact as a rookie in it's Lebron, and

1536
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: even at a lower level, but similar in the sense

1537
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 2: that like, because Jannis had this two in like twenty eighteen,

1538
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, but he didn't have it early in his career.

1539
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: But where like when you watch an NBA game that

1540
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: has twenty eighteen Yannis in it, or rookie Lebron or

1541
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: rookie Victor wembin Yama, it looks different than other NBA

1542
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: games because there's an athlete on the floor that doesn't

1543
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: even resemble any of the other athletes that are in

1544
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: the league. And you actually see established NBA players be

1545
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: like flustered by some of the things that they run into.

1546
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, with Giannis and Lebron, it was like the transition,

1547
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: like holy shit, he caught it with three dudes in

1548
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: front of him and somehow, just with a live dribble,

1549
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: just raced past all of them and dunked it. Or oh,

1550
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: I threw this pass to the wing and they jumped

1551
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 2: this passing lane and they just shot like a canon

1552
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: the other way and transition for a dunk or whatever.

1553
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: It is like they just had this like like crazy

1554
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: combination of straight line speed and power to do it.

1555
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: But Victor just does it with the absurd link and

1556
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: and that's what it is for him. Is like every

1557
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: time I'm watching a game with Victor win min Yama,

1558
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: it just you can tell there's like an initial phase

1559
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: of every single one of these games, because a lot

1560
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: of these Spurs games have looked like that MAVs game has,

1561
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: where like in the first shift, the other team is

1562
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: just completely shell shocked because they don't know how to

1563
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: handle what Victor does. And then finally they kind of

1564
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: settled down and they were like, oh, yeah, we're way

1565
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: better than this team, and they kind of figured it

1566
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: out and they go along the way. But like, yeah,

1567
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: it's just he he has a truly a truly unprecedented

1568
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: physical profile that other teams don't know how to handle.

1569
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 2: And it's and to me that has impacted winning at

1570
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 2: the NBA level level much faster than I expected. Logan,

1571
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: you're first on Brandon Miller.

1572
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: I was really high on Brandon Miller coming into the draft.

1573
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: I wanted the Hornets to take him second. Overall, I'm high.

1574
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: We all did right. Yeah, yeah, I believe.

1575
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon has also exceeded my expectations. Like, first of all,

1576
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: he's an all time shooter. I think the way he

1577
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: shoots off movement at these different speeds, at the different distances.

1578
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: And one thing that sticks out two is his foot placement,

1579
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't really matter where Brandon's feet are. Again,

1580
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: from any distance, he can just put it up and

1581
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: he's just got such a buttery smooth stroke. Man' that's

1582
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: the term that I use with Brandon Miller. Man butter smooth.

1583
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: He just has a smoothness and a fluidity to his game.

1584
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: It's really elegant and beautiful and beyond his years, something

1585
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: that you don't really see with rookies. He's a great athlete.

1586
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: He is a great defender. He's a good defender now,

1587
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be great as it goes

1588
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: along in terms of positioning on ball, off ball as

1589
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: a help side guy. He's got great length and physical

1590
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: tools too. Like, Brandon's everything to me, and he's got

1591
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: an advanced handle in IQ. I think Brandon is the

1592
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: building block cards And I know put a poll out

1593
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: on our YouTube and on Twitter as well, who would

1594
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: you rather build around through the Hornets, Lamello or Brandon Miller.

1595
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: For me, it's wholeheartedly Brandon Miller, and I think it's

1596
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: kind of got lost in the shuffle, you know. I

1597
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: feel bad for guys like Brandon Miller, for guys like

1598
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: Chet Holmgren, because they're in a rookie class of Victor

1599
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: Win Boniamas, and we're also enamored with him that he

1600
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: can kind of get lost in the shuffle a little bit.

1601
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: Brandon's also one of the most advanced rookies that I've

1602
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: seen this century in terms of winning and winning impact

1603
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 1: and in terms of versatility. I think Brandon's a future superstar.

1604
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: I love Brandon Miller, and I would say that with him,

1605
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 3: I'm probably a little bit higher too, Like he looks

1606
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 3: pretty darn similar to what I expected. And it's funny.

1607
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: Like the hilarious quote from Brandon Miller was when he

1608
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 3: said over the offseason that Paul George was his goat,

1609
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: but like, my god, he's got so much Paul George

1610
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: in him, Like there's a little bit of a different

1611
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 3: level of athleticism with PG. But when you're talking about

1612
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 3: six nine dudes who just have like seely smooth handles,

1613
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: crazy comfortable pull up shooters, the ability to excel both

1614
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 3: on and off the ball, to defend multiple positions, it's

1615
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of the same stuff in there.

1616
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: And I think that he's just in an archetype that

1617
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: really translates to winning anywhere. And Jason, I remember when

1618
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 3: you came on our draft show with Colin two and

1619
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: we were talking about the number two pick. We were

1620
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: all in agreement that it should be Brandon, and one

1621
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: of the things that you pointed out is that the

1622
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 3: archetype of hyperathletic downhill guard like Scoot Henderson is one

1623
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 3: that people often become enamored with but doesn't always translate

1624
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 3: to like winning at the highest level. Whereas this versatile

1625
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: wing like a Brandon Miller, two way shot creator, off

1626
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: ball shot maker with some playmaking chops like that guy

1627
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 3: is always going to have a spot as a star.

1628
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: And I thought that that was very true.

1629
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 3: I also think that Miller was just a slightly better

1630
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: prospect and a better fit alongside LaMelo, but he's delivering

1631
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: his last ten games, he's averaging twenty three point eight

1632
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 3: points per game on forty eight forty two eighty nine splits.

1633
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 3: And I agree that his pure shot making is unbelievable,

1634
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: but the other things that stand out to me, he

1635
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: really does have a rare handle for a guy at

1636
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: this size, at this age, and his feel and pace

1637
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 3: out of pick and roll is pretty exceptional, Like he

1638
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: will trap people on his back, he's got the hostage

1639
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 3: dribble down, he can get to the flowida arrange, but

1640
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: he can also playmake out of those situations. And it's

1641
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 3: just very atypical, especially from a guy who does have

1642
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 3: that sort of scoring skill. Wing playmaking development generally is

1643
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 3: something that takes several years, and guys come into the

1644
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: league much more score first, and then they realize, Okay,

1645
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,959
Speaker 3: to be the best offensive player, I need to weaponize

1646
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: my defensive attention to create for others. And I think

1647
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 3: that Brandon's already on a very good trajectory there, and defensively,

1648
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 3: he's in Charlotte, so you can only be so good.

1649
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: Like I would say he's been a good defender. He's

1650
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 3: a rookie in Charlotte, But I think you see that

1651
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 3: he cares more than the other guys. I think you

1652
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: see that he has all the tools. He's super mobile,

1653
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: he guarded oftentimes the opposing team's lead guard at Alabama,

1654
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 3: but then he was also this impactful rebound and secondary

1655
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: rim protector. The guy's just a stud. I think he's

1656
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: going to be an all NBA kind of guy. I

1657
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 3: don't know that he'll be like superstar top five player,

1658
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 3: just because again, like a PG does have that athletic

1659
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 3: advantage over him, Brandon doesn't have a great first step

1660
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: and he's slight, so getting to the rim for him

1661
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 3: was an issue in college and it remains an issue

1662
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 3: in the league. I think he's outside the top one

1663
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 3: point fifty in the league in terms of restricted area

1664
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: makes per game. That's the one thing. But he is

1665
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: like a dream number two on a contending team to

1666
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 3: me for years.

1667
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think him or Scoot really have like

1668
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 2: top five player in the league potential, which is you

1669
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: know that that would be the one thing that could

1670
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: have made that more complicated in terms of the two

1671
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: archetypes in whether or not you take one at two

1672
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: or at three. I've noticed the same thing in terms

1673
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 2: of like the first step in just his overall physical

1674
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: strength and like ability to get to his spots. I

1675
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: think you see that in Iso in particular when he

1676
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: tries to beat people straight up. But like it's extreme.

1677
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 2: I have to dig into it. But like, I can't

1678
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: remember a player walking into the league and being this

1679
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: good of a pull up shooter as a rookie, Like

1680
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't even think of a guy off

1681
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,520
Speaker 2: the top of my head that's in the same conversation,

1682
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 2: he's already one of the best pull up jump shooters

1683
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: in the league. There are sixty six players that have

1684
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: attempted at least one hundred and fifty. He's nineteenth on

1685
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,799
Speaker 2: that list in efficiency and over a point per possession

1686
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: at one point zero three. Like, it's just there aren't

1687
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: that many guys in the league, regardless of age, that

1688
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: are are like efficient pull up jump shooters, and he's

1689
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 2: doing it as a rookie. It's extremely rare. Carson, you

1690
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: mentioned the pick and roll kind of like feel I

1691
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: that like, and Logan you mentioned the footwork. The handle

1692
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: and footwork stuff has been what's most impressive to me,

1693
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the most important parts of

1694
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: really dynamic scoring in the NBA is the ability to

1695
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 2: get to a pull up jumper out of many, many

1696
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: different kinds of footwork and dribble combinations. And that's the

1697
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: thing is, like none of these look alike he's doing.

1698
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: He can do it. He can square up in mid air,

1699
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: he can do it off a step back, you can

1700
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: do it off a side step. He can. He's got that.

1701
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: Like one of the ones that he has that's really

1702
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: nasty is he's got that like really aggressive dribble in

1703
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: one direction and then just rise up and then while

1704
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: the defender's doing the defensive slide, he's already getting up

1705
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: into his shot. He like, there's some really really high

1706
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: level stuff there. There was a play at the end

1707
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: of the Pacers game Crunch Time Possession, where he ran

1708
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: a ball screen and the pacer switched it and he

1709
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: ended up with Miles Turner in a straight iso at

1710
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: the top of the key, and he like dusted him

1711
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: with a dribble move to a pull up jumper at

1712
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: the elbow where Miles Turner just wasn't even in the

1713
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: frame anymore when he rose up, and I was like

1714
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 2: that was disgusting, and like again, that's you know, it's funny.

1715
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: He's been better as like a mid range shooter than

1716
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 2: anything else in these pull up situations, which a lot

1717
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: of times people look at as a downside, but like

1718
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: in my opinion, those are often the best that you

1719
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: can get in rock fights, and so having a guy

1720
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: that can that feels comfortable rising and firing at a

1721
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: different combinations in footwork at fifteen feet is just super

1722
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: super valuable. He's also been one of the best plus

1723
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: minus guys. They're five points better per one hundred possessions

1724
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 2: when he's on versus one. He's off all right, Carson,

1725
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: really really quickly before we get out of here, Scoot

1726
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: Henderson higher or lower than you were after the draft.

1727
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit lower on Scoot, And really that

1728
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 3: to me just boils down to I thought that he's

1729
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: insane athleticism, like the combination of first step and really

1730
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: being a strong guard and having this balance, Like I

1731
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 3: thought that he would just have a little bit more

1732
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 3: easy offense on the back of that, and he hasn't. Really.

1733
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: I think that he's a guy who settled for a

1734
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: lot of tough jumpers and wasn't a very good jump

1735
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 3: shooter for Ignite, Like he has these stretches where he

1736
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 3: really gets in a rhythm from mid range, but he's

1737
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 3: erratic even there, and then from three he was a

1738
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 3: poor shooter for Ignite, and he's like thirty one percent

1739
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 3: this year, and at the rim, I think you've seen

1740
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 3: that he can't physically dominate against NBA guys immediately like

1741
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: he could those younger or just lower level athletes that

1742
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 3: he was facing. So he's shooting fifty one percent inside

1743
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 3: of three feet, so it's just been like a sort

1744
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: of erratic, rocky start for him. The efficiency numbers will

1745
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 3: look awful. I think that to some extent, like we

1746
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 3: have moved the goalpost too far for guards, where we've

1747
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 3: had some guards in recent years who are like really

1748
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: immediately ready to produce at least with good volume and

1749
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 3: like respectable efficiency, like what Trey and Luca did in

1750
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 3: the same class, what Jaw did. That's not normal Normally

1751
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 3: rookie guards are super inefficient, they're super turnover prone, like

1752
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: and maybe they make some improvements mid season and anything

1753
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 3: that Scoot has taken some strides as of late, so

1754
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 3: I still see a really athletic guard who I think

1755
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 3: plays with some good pace out of pick and roll himself,

1756
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 3: who has playmaking chops, who I think, if he wants

1757
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 3: to be, can be a plus defender. But he's certainly

1758
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 3: further behind on the trajectory compared to a guy like Brandon,

1759
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 3: who it's like, yep, he's delivered everything and even a

1760
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 3: little bit more than I expected. Scoot, It's like, I

1761
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 3: still see all the tools, but in terms of production,

1762
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 3: he obviously hasn't delivered this year.

1763
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm pretty aligned with Carson here. I had slightly higher

1764
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: expectations out of the draft. I have been a little disappointed,

1765
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: but I think Scoot has legitimately gotten better during the season,

1766
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to contextualize. I know that

1767
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: Brandon's not in a winning situation either. This year for

1768
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: Portland kind of is hey, Scoot, go out there and

1769
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: show us what you can do. Man, You know what

1770
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: I mean? This is really a year for him to

1771
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: just get reps and to get better. That being said,

1772
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: you know, I think his jump shot was a question

1773
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: mark heading into the draft. It doesn't look busted, it

1774
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: doesn't look ugly. I like the shots that he generates.

1775
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: I think that Scoot can tend to get off balance

1776
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit with his pull up jumpers,

1777
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: and I think he needs to work on that, but

1778
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, like mechanically, it doesn't look busted, it doesn't

1779
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: look ugly. And I did think, like you said, Carson,

1780
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 1: I did think he was gonna be able to physically

1781
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: impose himself a little more with his athletic traits. But

1782
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: the thing that I really like is his change of

1783
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: pace and his ability to hunt space when he gets

1784
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: a screen, like, Scoop is really good at finding the

1785
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: open area and just navigating and getting into the lane right.

1786
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: And so for that, to me, that's really encouraging. It's

1787
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: going to take time. More of these tough shots are

1788
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: gonna fall, He's going to produce better looks, he's gonna

1789
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: develop better feel for the game, and that's ultimately it

1790
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: for me. I really like the way that Scoop navigates

1791
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 1: the half court as a ball handler. He's really good

1792
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: at hunting space, and while he hasn't been crazy dominant athletically,

1793
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: when he catches defender's flat footed, damn, Scoop can just

1794
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: blow by somebody and get into the lane. So I'm

1795
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: a little lower on Scoop, but I really do think

1796
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a. I think Scoot's going

1797
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: to be a really good player one day. I just

1798
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: think it may take a little bit longer for him

1799
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: to get there.

1800
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm a lot higher on him than I was a

1801
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 2: couple months ago, I'll tell you that much. I was

1802
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: really really disappointed the start of the season. The one big,

1803
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, kind of silver lining early on was it

1804
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: was clear, kind of similar to what we talked about

1805
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,879
Speaker 2: the Anthony Edwards, that he can get to his spots,

1806
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: like in terms of his athleticism, it is difficult for

1807
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: guys to really bump him off his line and get

1808
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 2: him away from from where he wants to get on

1809
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 2: the floor. But the shooting was just so bad early

1810
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: in the year. But there have been some really encouraging

1811
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 2: trends there, Like he's made twenty five pull up threes

1812
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: this year at thirty five percent. That's not bad. That's

1813
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: over a point per possession. He's an eighty two percent

1814
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: free throw shooter, that typically, you know, kind of bodes

1815
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: well in terms of a player's you know, touch. He's

1816
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: actually been a pretty good pick and roll shot creator

1817
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 2: this year's zero point nine to eight points per possession.

1818
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: That's really not bad for a for a young guard

1819
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: like him, and he's shown some higher level passing shops

1820
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: than I think a lot of us were expecting. And

1821
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 2: I think again, one of the things that I I

1822
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 2: think is important to acknowledge here too is Portland's kind

1823
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: of a weird team in the sense that he's not

1824
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: really getting handed the keys and like, hey, go lead

1825
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 2: this bad team for eighty two games, like the Blazers

1826
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: were like putting him out there with a bunch of

1827
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 2: guys who like to get buckets, like like DeAndre and

1828
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 2: he loves to take his little face up jump shots

1829
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: and have his post touches. Jeremy Grant like it in

1830
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 2: his in his dream world, would be a twenty point

1831
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: per game guy on a bad team.

1832
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1833
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Simons is like literally a more, a more further

1834
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 2: along in his career version of like a high usage

1835
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: guard like Malcolm Brogden has been a guy that they've

1836
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 2: leaned on in crunch time a lot of situations, like

1837
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: they they they have not just straight up given Scoot

1838
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: the keys and been like, hey, go go get these reps,

1839
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: and so I do. I think here's the thing. I

1840
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: my opinion of Scoot Scoots like ceiling hasn't changed at all.

1841
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, this season has definitely been a little bit disappointing,

1842
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: just in the way that it's gone down. That said,

1843
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: I do think Brandon Miller at number two is the

1844
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 2: right choice, and I think Charlotte is satisfied with their

1845
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 2: decision there. All right, guys, we've gone for about an

1846
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: hour and a half, so I think it's about time

1847
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: to call it. God blessed Paul, our producers probably getting

1848
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 2: frustrated by the scenes. Thank you all for supporting the show.

1849
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here. Actually, Logan and Carson,

1850
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 2: thank you guys for donating your time today always means

1851
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: a lot to me. Can you guys shout out some

1852
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: of the work you've been doing lately.

1853
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. Well, first of all, thank you for

1854
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 3: having us. I don't know if I would call it

1855
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 3: a donation. It's more fun than that. But yeah, so

1856
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 3: you can find all of our stuff at the nerd

1857
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Sasha YouTube channel. Logan mentioned Actually, I specifically have done

1858
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 3: video breakdowns on two of the guys that we just

1859
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 3: talked about, going more in depth, like ten twelve minute

1860
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 3: video film breakdowns on both Wemby and Brandon Millers. So

1861
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 3: we're doing that. We also have all of our full

1862
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 3: shows over there with video talking now all MBA, but

1863
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 3: we do NFL stuff when that is in season, and

1864
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 3: then we do some trivia con on our YouTube channel

1865
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,520
Speaker 3: and also across social media, TikTok at Nerd Sash, Instagram

1866
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 3: is the same, and Twitter is a Nerd underscore Sash.

1867
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: I am a huge basketball fan and I could not

1868
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 2: possibly care less about the All Star Weekend? Do you

1869
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: guys give a shit at all?

1870
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 3: I agree, I think All Star Weekend is not in

1871
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 3: a good place. But then I think about it and

1872
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 3: I compare it to where like the Pro Bowl is at,

1873
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, things could be worse because

1874
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 3: I literally haven't watched a second of the Pro Bowl

1875
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 3: in a decade because they're playing flag football, like they're

1876
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 3: not even playing the sport.

1877
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, go ahead, logan.

1878
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: There's just been very few things. It's disheartening as a

1879
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: football fan to watch the Pro Bowl fall as far

1880
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: as it has. Man, last Pro Bowl I enjoyed was

1881
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: when they played it on Madden. So yeah, at least, yeah,

1882
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: at least the All Star Game hasn't dipped that low man.

1883
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy because like if Paul texts me the

1884
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: other day. He's like, Hey, I need you to record

1885
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 2: a video, like a forty five second video, like with

1886
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: your picks for like who's gonna win the three point content?

1887
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 2: And like I did it, but it's like we have

1888
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 2: done no other All Star content, and I have no

1889
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 2: intention of doing any other All Star content. Like, like

1890
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I thought the dead giveaway was when they did the

1891
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 2: elam ending and they got like two really good games

1892
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: out of it. The Lebron won like fadeaway game and

1893
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 2: then the one where Anthony Davis won on the free

1894
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: throws and Giannis was like, you know, the blocking Lebron,

1895
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Lebron is ripping Yiannis. That's they got a couple of

1896
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 2: good games out of it. And then they quit on

1897
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 2: the elam ending too, and they started playing how did

1898
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 2: they do that? I I well, but to the league's defense,

1899
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 2: the last couple ones were bad though. Yeah, but like

1900
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 2: I think I put it on the players. Yeah, yeah,

1901
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: I guess.

1902
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 3: But like the two best All Star games that we

1903
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 3: had gotten since that one. I can't remember exactly the year,

1904
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 3: but there was that one really fourth quarter when Kobe

1905
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 3: was still in there. Maybe it was like twenty twelve

1906
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 3: or something. But then outside of that, it's like, we

1907
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 3: got two good All Star Games and they were both

1908
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 3: with the elam ending.

1909
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it got bad.

1910
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 3: But I just think they need to be decisive, like

1911
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 3: they're changing everything up now. We're back to East West,

1912
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 3: which I'm good with. But then why did we do

1913
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 3: drafts for a half decade? Why did we do the

1914
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 3: elam ending for a few years and then abandon it.

1915
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 3: It's just all it's weird, it's too inconsistent. They don't

1916
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 3: know what they're doing. But yeah, it's not great. I'm

1917
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 3: not very excited how.

1918
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Speaker 2: Carson Carson's take how the league has managed the All

1919
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: Star Game the way Darvin ham has managed the Lakers.

1920
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Speaker 2: All right, guys, that is all we have for today.

1921
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Speaker 2: Like I said, we appreciate you guys supporting the show.

1922
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Speaker 2: We're gonna take the rest of the weekend off and

1923
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: we'll be back next week with some contender talk with

1924
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 2: Sam Messini, some power rankings, and a mail back. Make

1925
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: sure you get those mail back questions

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Speaker 1: In the volume.