1 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: It's time for the b a q a A the 2 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: b a q A the b a qa Brian Ambition 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: Question and Answer. You know, once a week. We'd like 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: to jump on here and just do a que a 5 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: quick b a q A me a manager are geared up. 6 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: If you have a question on which you know you do, 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: we love to hear them. You can send it to 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: us via Instagram. 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Okay, folks, 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to I saw a really cute email Brandabission 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: podcast at gmail dot com is our email again. Really 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: cute email from listener Kirsten who listened to last week's 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: be A, Q and A, which y'all should go back 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: and listen to if you missed it, No, no worries, 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: you can still catch it wherever you listen to podcasts 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: where we talked about black women and the struggle that 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: you can feel when you were a black woman and 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: an introvert. So I just wanted to shout her out 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: and read this little message as she said that she 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: sent us. So she says, hey, thank you for talking 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: about introversion. I grew up in a super white community. 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes I was the only black student at school, and 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: I struggled a lot with identity and my young adult years. 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm now in my mid to late thirties, and it's 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 2: only recently that I've come to realize that I often 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: don't feel black enough because they were such limited representation. 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: Black women are expected to be witty, quippy, and funny. 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: Of course, even better if you can sing and dance 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: and me the life of the party, an assumption that 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: clearly has its roots in Minstrelly. In Minstrelly and wait 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: minstrelsy and I don't understand that yet. This caused much 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: stress to my young self because Moesha and Brandy was 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: probably the most famous young black woman on TV, at 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: least in my community. So anyway, I felt seen. I 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: wish my teen self had known you, barn Ambishen were 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 2: out there. Thank you for the good show, the excellent discussions. 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm starting to dig into Tiffany's book, Get It with Money. 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: It's going to change my life. I'm excited for your 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: new venture. Mandy, and you're both such an inspiration. 52 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Oh, Kirsten as a Tello girl who literally like a 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: super white community where I was oftentimes to the only 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: black girl in school. I remem my husband first met me, Mandy, 55 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of the I've got a 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: lot more soul in my voice now. He thought that 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: I was putting on an accent because I used to 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: sound like this, Hey my name, I can't even do 59 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: it m m oh no, yeah, my name is Tiffany, 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, so how like it was. But it was 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: I was putting on. It was just I grew up 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: in this neighborhood and that's what I sounded like. He 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: was like, when are you gonna stop talking like that. 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, like what he's like, like, like that is 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: that how you talk? For real? No, he's the literally 66 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: have people come over with you, come eat her talk 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: say something. I'm like, first of all, so because of 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: my husband who he is, and living in New York 69 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: for so long, I got like a lot more soul 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: in my voice, you know, just because you know who 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: you're around. You kind of like acclimate too. But I 72 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: understand like because Mosha was, you know, that was the 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: closest that I could see to like yes, like a 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: black kind of like woman superhero where I was like, oh, 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: I feel similar, you know. 76 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well Mosha was on a tainable goal for me, 77 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: at least now that it's like at least there's various 78 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: different black like versions of black teens and versions of 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: I was just talking to Tiffany about this movie, this 80 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: new movie Vivo on Netflix, which is so cute if 81 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: you have kids or not even with kids. I watch 82 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: the Bout myself with a nice bottle of wine. 83 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: And it was it was so cute. 84 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: Well, when I loved about it was a central character 85 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: as a young girl who is alternative. She's like very punk, 86 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: she has bright pink, purple hair, and the whole movie 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: is around how she does not want to conform to 88 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: the other kids and she her Her signature song is 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: Bounce to My Own Drum, and it's about bouncing to 90 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: her own drum and it is such a banger. 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: You have to lis this song. 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: I have been dancing to it all day. 93 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: But I was like, look at this. 94 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: She's not the cute she's not like the shy, quiet introvert. 95 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: She's not like you know, she's not awkward. She's just 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: who she is. And she's like, I think I'm a 97 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: fabulous I don't need a lot of friends. I just 98 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: want to be here with my drum and my magical 99 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: monkey all playing my music. So I love this and 100 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you Kirsten for sharing that with us. 101 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: That was really sweet. So we do have a quick 102 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: question from Tracy in the d MB. Tracy, did you 103 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: come see me sis because I was in your area 104 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: this past weekend. Anyway, Hey, ba, is it a good 105 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: idea slash even possible to open an IRA for my 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: son who will be a college freshman in a few weeks. 107 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: Thanks in advance, Tracy the DMV thanks to you. I 108 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: know what that means, and it's not the Department of 109 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: Motor Vehicles. 110 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: You know what, remember when I got this all confused 112 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: before and thought that I could open an IRA for 113 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: my toddler son. But little fine print there is that 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: they have to be working age and able to earn 115 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: an income at least, So I think, yeah, she should 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: be able to open a if he's working IRA. 117 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: That's the key he has to because an IRA is 118 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: for those who don't know, it's an individual retirement account. 119 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: And so you can only have a retirement account if 120 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: you're actually employed. And so for example, like super Gris 121 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: is fourteen and so Angelie who was my amazing financial 122 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: planner certified financial planner, we're like, she's like, okay, what 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: things does Alyssa do for the Vaginista? Because we can 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: start setting aside, we can open ANGELI suggested a actual 125 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: a wroth IRA for did she say a wrath ira? 126 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: I don't remember her say that. Either way, an IRA 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: wrath iras is money that she set aside after taxes 128 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: are taken out, and the IRA is money you set 129 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: aside in retirement before taxes are taken out. So anyway, 130 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: she told me to set up an IRA, and then 131 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: we can put up to I think I want to 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: say six thousand dollars a year. I believe this is 133 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: six or sixty five hundred, I don't know, because this 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: is last year was six thousand. Sometimes they some of 135 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: years they raise it. But basically I could put up 136 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: the maximum a year, which at that time was six 137 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year into a list of my stepdaughter's 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: retirement account because she was actually working. So that's really 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: the key is that, like if your child is working, yes, 140 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: and she's at the time she was like, you know, twelve, 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: so the age is not as much of a factor 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: as is that child's working. 143 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. So if they're like a kid model or something 144 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: like that, that baby on TikTok who eats food. 145 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: And that baby is working, honey. 146 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: But I would just say, if he's going to be 147 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: a college freshman in a few weeks, make sure he's involved, 148 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: because you know, they should understand he shouldn't because the 149 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: only thing is if he if he doesn't know what 150 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: you're doing, he can't appreciate the gains over the years. 151 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: So maybe involve him, show him a little something. He 152 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: might roll his eyes. I don't know, Maybe he'll be 153 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: into it, but try to involve at least in the 154 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: opening and explaining what or let him choose what he's 155 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: going to invest in, you know, through. 156 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: His account for sure. 157 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: All right, Tiff, Now this questions a doozy. 158 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: A doozy. I'm like, I'm tracking. 159 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: I need to do a shoulder roll. It's a lot 160 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: of words, yes, but I want to help her. So 161 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: this is an anonymous b a q A question, and 162 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to read this slowly and thoughtfully, but it's 163 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: a student loan versus investing kind of question. All right. 164 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: So this listener says, I am currently renting out a 165 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: condo that I bought when I was single and netting 166 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: just under five hundred dollars a month. I want to 167 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: maximize and leverage my profits. I'm considering a few options 168 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: and need some help. I don't have any debt except 169 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: for student loans and two mortgages, one on my main 170 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: home and one on my rental. I owe about forty 171 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars on my student loans, and I was 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: silly and I refinanced out of my federal loans for 173 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: a lower rate in twenty nineteen. My goal is to 174 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: pay off my student loans asap. My payments are seven 175 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty dollars a month, but I'm considering refinancing 176 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: again for more breathing room. So here are some options 177 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: she's considering again. Her goal is to pay off her 178 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: loans asap and try to leverage that five hundred dollars 179 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: a month that she's getting from that rental all right, 180 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: So she thinks she has four options. Option one, don't 181 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: refinance the school loan. Take three hundred dollars from her 182 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: rental profit and put that on top of her student 183 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: loan payment, so she'd be paying about one thousand dollars 184 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: a month instead of seven thirty. Number two, don't refinance 185 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: a student loans. Take that three hundred dollars profit from 186 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: her rental company and help that help to subsidize her 187 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: seven thirty payment, which means three hundred dollars of that 188 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: seven thirty would come from her rental profit and four 189 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: hundred dollars would come out of her regular income. You 190 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: still with me, all right? Number three, refinance to a 191 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: payment around four to five hundred dollars a month. So 192 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: she's talking about refinancing again to get a lower monthly 193 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: payment and then invest three hundred dollars a month for 194 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: a couple of years and attempt to bank a lump 195 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: sum payment on her loans down the road, and for 196 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: four say f them loans refinance to a payment around 197 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: four to five hundred dollars a month, and then invest 198 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: that three hundred dollars a month profit to save up 199 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: and pay cash for my next car in a few years, 200 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: I should add, she says that my husband and I 201 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: are planning to start a family, but struggling with infertility treatments, 202 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: so there's no guarantees. Also, I appreciate Tiffany's transparency so much. 203 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: I never thought i'd cry during a finance podcast. You know, 204 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: we laugh, we cry, We make money. 205 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Girl, all the things over here around here, with all 206 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: the things, so all the things, I do you have 207 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: a do you have a? Do you have? What you 208 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: think of? What you want? What you want? What you 209 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: want to say? 210 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean, where do we start? So she's already in 211 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: the situation she is, where she's refinanced her federal loans 212 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: to get the lower rate. 213 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: So let's just start there and just tell people like, well, 214 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it's my opinion that for the most part, I really 215 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: suggest people and this is no shame to you. We're 216 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: gonna call you Brenda because Brenda had a baby and 217 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: you gonna get that baby, Brenda. Okay, So for Tupac, 218 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: for you, Tupaca Loves Branda had a baby. That's the 219 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: song anyway, So Brenda. So this is no shade to you, Brenda. 220 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: But this is a good lesson for everyone. One of 221 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: the reasons why Mandy and I and Mandy, I've heard 222 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: you say, well, I say this that I really don't 223 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: like for people to refinance out of federal student loans, 224 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: even for a lower rate. Oh, because although the lower 225 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: rate is very attractive, that there are some rules in 226 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: place that protect you with federal student loans that you 227 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: can't get that same protection with a private loans. So, 228 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: for example, now we have this moratorium where for over 229 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: a year now you haven't had to pay any interest 230 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: or any payment on your student loan. That does not 231 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: apply to private student loans. This is only federal student loans. 232 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: That's where that's where the federal government has agency over 233 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: And so I just put that out there. So, I mean, 234 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I understand why you did it. You know, like you know, 235 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: you wanted to lower your payments so I just want 236 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: to put that out there first. 237 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, if she only just read, it 238 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: sucks because you can only do You can make decisions 239 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: based on the information that you have at the time. 240 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: So in twenty nineteen, it probably felt perfectly fine to 241 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: refinance her student loan out of federal debt with a 242 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: private loan at a lower rate. But you know, if 243 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: she had just waited till the pandemic hit and the 244 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: White House, you know, stopped student loan payments on federal 245 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: loans and also stopped interest from occurring, that would have 246 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: been nice. But hey, she didn't. She is where she is. 247 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: I would just wonder, you know how much I would 248 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: do the math and you don't stay here. If you've 249 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: actually shopped around refi rates, you actually can. I think 250 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: a lot of refic sites will actually let you do 251 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: a soft credit check to see what your rate might be, 252 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: so see if you can actually save and get a 253 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: lower rate. It's only been a couple of years, but 254 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: we all know rates have been falling, you know, since 255 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: the pandemic. So maybe you have such a substantial you know, 256 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: savings that it would make sense for you to refinance again. 257 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: But it sounds like she wants to not just refinance 258 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: for a lower rate, but actually refinance and stretch out 259 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: to a longer repayment term, because by stretching out the 260 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: number of years she has to repay the debt, she 261 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: could reduce her monthly payment, which would then free up 262 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: an extra three hundred bucks which she could then put 263 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: toward an investment or you know, her save up for 264 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: her car in the future. Right, h So do you 265 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: think about that if. 266 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: It was me, Because you know, we're not financial. We're 267 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: not your financial advisor, nor are we financial advisors. Were 268 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: just two girls, two financial girlfriends. Okay, So if this 269 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: was wa, I'm giving advice to not Brianda, but Tiffany, 270 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: I would say, hey, tiff girlhead girl, you already refinanced 271 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: out of the federal student loans, so we hear now, 272 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: I would go ahead and refinance again because why pay 273 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: more when I can play less? Hello? So I would 274 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: refinance now. I would check to see I'd be hesitant 275 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: to refinance for a longer term, but I would you know, 276 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: I'd be open to refinancing for the same length of 277 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: time and if I can save, you know, like an 278 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: additional one hundred and two hundred dollars. That would be awesome. Now, 279 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: I because student loans typically, especially if you're refinancing, Because 280 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: student loans, the interest rates are typically reasonable. And I'm 281 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: assuming if you left federal student loans to go those 282 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: private student loans, they're fairly reasonable. Because federal student loan 283 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: interest rates are fairly reasonable, not double digit interest. Then 284 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: I would not, honestly, part of me says Part four 285 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: at them loans partially meaning like sis, you're not getting 286 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: no more than me than this minimum. Because girl, I 287 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: have life to live. I would be giving my student 288 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: loans this money. I would set it and set I 289 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: forget it. I would use the excess money to grow wealth. 290 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even like, you know, like you know your car, 291 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: that's cute, But honestly, I'd be using this excess money 292 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: to grow wealth. You already have one investment property, maybe another, 293 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe put into the market. So that's what I would 294 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: be doing. I would say, you know, I'm going to refinance. 295 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to give the loans whatever it's minimum is, 296 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm going to use This is what 297 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: I did as a budgetista as well as Tiffany. I 298 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: had was really aggressive with paying off my credit card debt, 299 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: paid them off. I'm talking about aggressive all the money 300 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I had, and then I was like, dang, I really 301 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: don't want to live in this room. I'd been renting 302 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: a room because that's all I could afford. I don't 303 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: want to be living in this room for the next 304 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: another four or five years because I want to be 305 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: aggressive with paying off student loan debt. That's not my ministry, 306 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: and Brenda, I don't believe is yours as well. So 307 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: instead of what I did was I paid the minimum 308 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: to my student loans, I automated it, and then I 309 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: focused my time, energy and the rest of the money 310 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: I had left over on growing wealth. And in that 311 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: same five years, I could have been living in that room. 312 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: At the end of five years, I had my lump 313 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: sum plus some so I was like, ooh, I have 314 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: a business. I've got the mine was fifty two thousand. 315 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: I have the fifty two thousand dollars plus an additional 316 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: probably a hundred thousand dollars I think I had saved 317 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: by then, so I had all the things. So I 318 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: never think that focusing on debt is the right place 319 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: to place your energy, because where your energy goes that's 320 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: what grows, and so refinance, Tiffany. I'm not talking about 321 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: ID because you know, we don't get financial vices in 322 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: that way. Tiffany, I would refinance. I would take that 323 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: extra money. I would use it to grow wealth, and 324 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: over time, as I got my lump sum, you know 325 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: that I could pay it off because I'd have My 326 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: assumption is I'm going to have additional money, not just 327 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: the lump sum for the student loan debt. Yeah, I agree. 328 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean I think the key here is that if 329 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: you've refinanced to a longer term to lower your monthly 330 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: payment and say you're actually doing something with that extra 331 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: money and not just you know, pocketing it for for 332 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: to you know, sustain your lifestyle or to improve your lifestyle, 333 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: but saving it, investing it. Like you said, I don't 334 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: know so much about like investing for a car that 335 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: you're going to buy in the next few years. That's 336 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: a I mean, that's a long ish but it's not 337 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: quite long enough for me to say, yeah, maybe put 338 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: that money in the market. But you know, you can 339 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: set part of that aside for your you know, in 340 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: a cash savings account for your new car and be 341 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: ready for that in a couple of years and then 342 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, invest the rest into a brokerage account. And 343 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: there's my child screaming in the background. But I think 344 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: this is a This is a real complex and fascinating 345 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: conundrum that I think a lot of people are in. 346 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: But the key, like Tiffany said, is put that money 347 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: to work and don't just use it to you know 348 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: that that's the kind of thing where if you don't 349 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: automate it, like Tiffany said, the money can easily disappear. Yep, 350 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: three hundred bucks is like three you know, nice dinners 351 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: out and I mean you'd be surprised how quickly you 352 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: can go. So really really being yeah, really being thoughtful 353 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: and putting that money into work is going to be 354 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: the key here. 355 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: And make the plan ahead of time. I tell this 356 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: to everyone that I'm actually reading this book Atomic Habits 357 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: right now. You've heard of it, right Mandy by James 358 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: hor Are. 359 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: She's reading another book, I know. 360 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: I just finished David and Goliath by Malcolm Glad. Girl. 361 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: I think all I can do to read my email. 362 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: After this six weeks, I'm a change. Look at my 363 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: skin glowing gla This six weeks off has changed me. 364 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, so I'm reading Atomic Habits, which is awesome. Well, 365 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: Tracy always shades me. She said, you're not reading it, 366 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: it's being read to you audible read girl. I hate 367 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: it's always go they hate. 368 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: Get her audiobooks reading. 369 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: I hate trace the hater. Anyway, So I'm reading Atomic Habits. 370 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: And one of the things that he said that I 371 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: thought was really powerful. We can kind of like close 372 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: on this is that people think that you have to 373 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: have this like herculean discipline, right, And what they found 374 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: with people who are quote unquote super disciplined is not 375 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: that there's so disciplined, is that they have learned to 376 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: create environments where they don't have to exercise discipline as much. 377 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: You know. So it's not like, oh my god, you know, Mandy, 378 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: you know you're you're so good at writing, You're such 379 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: a disciplined writer. Yes you are, But you created your 380 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: she shed cave, your she cave where then the zend 381 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I was like, what's the damn name? You created? What? 382 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: You created a zen den? Which so if you have 383 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: if you were, like say, writing at the dining room table, 384 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: then you'd be less likely to write. But you've created 385 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: an environment that's like, this is just for Mandra and 386 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: this is this is a creative space where my juices 387 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: can flow. So what I will say to you, Brenda 388 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: and anyone listening, is that to before any money or 389 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: or whatever comes in, to create the plan ahead of 390 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: time and then set that automation up so you don't 391 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: actually have to be as disciplined. You know that literally, 392 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: automation is the new discipline. And Brenda, I'll say this 393 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: because I know how hard, like you know the journey 394 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: is with IVF. I mean, you know, I'm on my 395 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: last last run as it is right now, and so 396 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: I mean you're allowed to feel bad and terrible about it. 397 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: You know, people will tell you like, oh, you know, 398 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be all right, and I mean, I can't 399 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: promise that it's gonna work out. I don't know, but 400 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: I do know that, you know, lean into your partner, 401 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: lean into your family and friends, and you know, do 402 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: what's right for you. Because people are like, well, why 403 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: don't you just adopt I'm like, you know, everybody gonna 404 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: tell you their own opinion, and I just say that 405 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: do what's right for you. You are allowed to feel 406 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: however you want to feel about it. But know that 407 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: it is not I've learned this from myself, that it 408 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: is not a condemnation of your character. There's nothing wrong 409 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: with you. Quite honestly, it's a little bit troubling in 410 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: that people don't talk about it, but human beings, fertility 411 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: of human beings is down significantly, I mean men and 412 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: women like I mean when I go to the clinic, 413 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: I see women who are twenty six all the way 414 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: up to forty something like me. You know, and my 415 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: doctor said, literally, you know that fertility doctor around the 416 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: around the world are like puzzled by, like wow, that 417 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: it's not that people are just having less kids. You 418 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: are way less fertile than your grandmother was, way less fertile. 419 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: And so you know, you're not the only one struggling. 420 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: When I found out that Michelle Obama both her kids 421 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: were I U I, which is instead of I you 422 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: I IVF, it's kind of like the Turkey baseder method. 423 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: Not to be so graphic, right, but you know that 424 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: so many women you'd be surprised, You're like, really so 425 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: and so many women are struggling. So you're not alone 426 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: in it. And that's why I talk about it. Even 427 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: though that one girl said to stop boo boo and 428 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: the boo Boo's still doing it. No, I don't do 429 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: that just to be funny, because you know, I don't 430 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: care what she has to say. But Brenda, you know 431 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: I am a sister in fertility struggle, and you know 432 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: what will be will be, and you will still be 433 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: this amazing woman either way. And keep your money. Sist 434 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: them government. People can't get it when you good and 435 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: ready f them. Loon. Oh that's a good one. Oh, 436 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: should be loans. 437 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: S them loans. 438 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: That's the cue. 439 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: All right, y'all, Well, thank you for your questions. 440 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Again. 441 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 2: Hit us up Brownhambision Podcast at gmail dot com, or 442 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: you can hit us up on G on I G. 443 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: We are at Brown Ambition Podcast on the Gram. 444 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: And if you have not shared this episode yet, stop 445 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: what you do when and share. Share, Share, get the link, 446 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: share browne Pitsion podcast dot com the link, share with 447 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: at least three different people. 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