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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Well Shuler, Matt Williamson with you here for

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Speaker 2: the next two hours on a pretty quiet Wednesday in

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Speaker 2: western Pennsylvania. Man, not really much going on lately. Art

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Speaker 2: Rooney the Second, of course, team president of your Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 2: speaking this afternoon just a couple hours ago, the day

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Speaker 2: after the news came down that Mike Tomlin was stepping

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Speaker 2: down after nineteen years as the head coach of the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. We have got obviously plenty to discuss. I

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Speaker 2: figured two.

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Speaker 3: I no doubt there'll be any bombshells dropping during the

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Speaker 3: show to the level of yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Hey took us a back a little bit, it sure did.

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Speaker 2: Adam Feelin announced his retirement. I don't think that's quite

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Speaker 2: as much of a bomb shall as Mike Tomlin stepping

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Speaker 2: down after nineteen years, but that certainly deserves a mention

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Speaker 2: here before we get caught up and all the Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin and Art Rooney the second stuff. Big congratulations to

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Speaker 2: Adam Feeling on a great career and all the best

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: A pretty big fourth down conversion on Monday night in

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Speaker 2: that game. So yeah, all the best of him as

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Speaker 2: he gets into the next phase of his life. But

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Speaker 2: today it was Art Rooney the Second speaking, of course,

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Speaker 2: in the aftermath of Mike Tomlin's decision. Here was we

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Speaker 2: obviously a bunch of different comments and questions that we

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Speaker 2: want to get into here, and we'll do that to

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Speaker 2: start and probably into segment number two, I would imagine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But here was Art Rooney the Second's opening statement when

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Speaker 2: he began his press conference today.

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Speaker 4: As you know, yesterday Coach Tomlin and I met and

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Speaker 4: Mike informed me his decision to step down his head

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Speaker 4: coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and was an emotional day

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Speaker 4: for everybody in our organization yesterday. Mike's been a great

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Speaker 4: leader of our franchise now for nineteen years and led

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Speaker 4: us with toughness, integrity and always reflected the values of

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Speaker 4: our organization.

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Speaker 2: Not surprising something you and I made sure to make yesterday,

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Speaker 2: something that I hope isn't lost on people. I know

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Speaker 2: we've mentioned this and I'm sure we'll continue. It's a

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Speaker 2: cutthroat business. It's easy to look at coaches and players

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Speaker 2: like they're just football cards, and you collect them and

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Speaker 2: you trade them, and they come and they go.

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Speaker 3: It's football.

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Speaker 2: It's a Madden or a Fantasy football league, something like that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: but for nineteen years, everything that mister Rooney said there

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Speaker 2: was spot on about Mike Tomlin. And he leaves Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: with his head held high.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, a very successful mission that went on a long time.

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Speaker 3: And I kept saying, these last twenty four hours, folks

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Speaker 3: you got, including us, got a lot more smiles and

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Speaker 3: frowns out of it. I mean, that's for sure. It

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Speaker 3: was a heck of a good run. I think any owner,

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Speaker 3: any organization would take over a two decade two decades span.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, funny, you said that one of

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Speaker 2: one of the things that we'll that we'll hear from

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Speaker 2: from Art Rooney the second on here momentarily or in fact,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and let's go ahead and do it now.

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Speaker 2: He was asked about the timeline of the coaching search

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Speaker 2: and kind of the parameters. Okay, and it's it's funny.

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Speaker 2: We'll play the clip here, but you hear him mention, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'd take another bill Cower, I'd take another Mike Tomlin. Takay,

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Speaker 2: I'd take another Chuck Nol. So on on timeline and

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Speaker 2: parameters of what the Steelers are looking for, Here's what

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Speaker 2: Art Rooney the second said earlier.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to put an exact timeframe

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Speaker 4: and uh, you know, it'll take weeks at least, I

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Speaker 3: And so uh uh, as I said.

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Speaker 4: It'll it'll probably take at least a few weeks.

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Speaker 5: You guys haven't done this very often over the years,

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Speaker 5: but you've had a tight Does young Ulpter coming to

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Speaker 5: you expand that?

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Speaker 4: You know, for now, I don't want to sort of

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Speaker 4: put any real parameters around it. We're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 4: we look for and the uh you know, the list

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Speaker 3: Uh So, uh yeah, could I.

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Speaker 4: Sign up for another Chuck Nole or another Bill Kauer

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know somebody that we feel fits that mold

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Speaker 4: we're not gonna kind of narrow the box too much.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that surprises anybody, no, right, right, but

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Speaker 2: it's still good to hear. I I it was the

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Speaker 2: funny joke by mister Rooney of like I'd sign up

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Speaker 2: for the next Chuck Nole or Bill Cower. I think

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Speaker 2: any of us would. That means the next guy is

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Speaker 2: a lot of undred fifty plus games, right, bad division

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Speaker 2: titles and all those different things. But that, Matt, to me,

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Speaker 2: is the it's the answer I expected. I didn't expect

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Speaker 2: coming defensive coordinator like you heard the great pursuit of

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Speaker 2: there and that has been.

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Speaker 3: Or say exactly what they're looking for, like only looking

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Speaker 3: for offensive guy.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. I think that it's safe to

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Speaker 2: say that that is the archetype, archetype part of me,

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Speaker 2: of the type that the Steelers are looking for, but

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Speaker 2: offensive defensive no parameters in that regard. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's what you want to hear. Why a wide casting

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Speaker 2: open to any type of candidate search. That's about the kickoff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not giving him pursuit a tough time about

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Speaker 3: his question because I was asked the exact same thing.

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Speaker 3: But I do find it funny that people, rightfully so,

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Speaker 3: but think the Steelers have a type in terms of

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Speaker 2: Like they do this all the time.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. It's not like it's not like

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Speaker 3: the Browns or you know, some of these other teams

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Speaker 3: that you know consistently do this process. Three times, they've

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Speaker 3: had some defensive background in my lifetime, I mean before

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Speaker 3: my lifetime. I mean, so Chuck Nole was Don Shula's

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Speaker 3: assistant with the Colts. I don't know how that's at

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Speaker 3: all relevant to today's coaching search. Cower was mostly a

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Speaker 3: Tomlin has a defensive background, and twenty years ago they

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Speaker 3: were and they were all young for the job. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a little bit to go off.

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Speaker 2: Right, It'd be a little different, Matt if I was

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Speaker 2: speed dating, you know.

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Speaker 3: Or right, I want blondes and I want.

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Speaker 2: Blondehair, blue eyes, stay at home mom. You know, no,

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Speaker 2: oh shorter than five foot.

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Speaker 3: Eight or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, that's a consistent type. But you're right, it

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Speaker 3: I get a kick out of it. Well, they got

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Speaker 3: this certain type, like how do you know it's been

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Speaker 3: nineteen years, and how involved was mister Rooney in the

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Speaker 3: last hiring and how you know, like who a lot

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Speaker 3: of people to help make that decision are no longer

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Speaker 3: making that decision, and the league is changing rapid that it

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Speaker 3: has changed in the last twenty years. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: just find it funny that people think the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: I A. It's a very fair point to race because

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Speaker 2: maybe you could say it's gone the same way to

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Speaker 2: last three times, but that's over the course. That's also

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Speaker 2: over the course of like sixty years old. Right, it's

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Speaker 2: not it's not a tried and true formula in blueprint and.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, they were all young.

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Speaker 2: It's not you and I rocking up to the bar

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Speaker 2: and we know what type of beer we want to drink,

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Speaker 2: beer that we drink.

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Speaker 3: Like Harry doesn't he only drinks IPA's, you know, Like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well that's a type at least maybe it's not the

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Speaker 3: exact same brew. But you know, it's a little I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I think it's a little presumptuous all of

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Speaker 2: To put that's the right used to or even.

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Speaker 3: Though hire Mike McCarthy, who's doesn't fit that mold at all,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I don't know. I just think

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Speaker 3: that it's crazy to think that we know exactly what

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Speaker 3: type they're going to hire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna hire Kurt Signetti sixty three years old,

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Speaker 2: never had a never had an NFL gig. That's how

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Speaker 2: though really buck the cycle here, right, No, it's a

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Speaker 2: good point. When you've only made three head coaching highers

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Speaker 2: since nineteen sixty nine, since the Beatles were still on tour,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to say you have a type exactly, right,

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Speaker 2: Successful winning a Super Bowl is as has has you know,

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Speaker 2: has been their type.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the type is they hire good coaches at last. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's the type.

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Speaker 2: And with that, I don't think this will surprise anybody,

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Speaker 2: but Rooney the second saying and I quote it'll take

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Speaker 2: weeks at least end quote when he was asked about

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Speaker 3: But it shocked me a little that sounded look just

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Speaker 3: because well, there are parameters, there's the Rooney rule, there's.

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Speaker 2: Was it funny how he said there's parameters around these things?

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Speaker 3: What if it was perfect exactly?

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Speaker 2: What if he would have stopped and said, I don't

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Speaker 2: but it's called the Rooney rule.

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Speaker 3: I was saying, perfect opportunity to drop a joke, you know,

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Speaker 3: like it's a stand up you know, like.

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Speaker 2: I watch a lot of Thanks to my family, this

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Speaker 2: is going to take a little bit longer.

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Speaker 3: Not that I'm the most hilarious human being in the world,

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Speaker 3: but I watch a lot of stand up and sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'll be like, oh, you missed the joke there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's a perfect setup, you know. And I was sitting

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Speaker 3: that something in there to get a chuckle out of everyone.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, well, there's also a lot of these candidates

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Speaker 3: are still active trying to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: That's a great part of it.

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Speaker 3: I hate the coaching hiring process. I mean, we've never

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Speaker 3: had to go through it here, but it's so flawed

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Speaker 3: in that, like the best guys are all busy right now,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, or a lot of them,

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Speaker 3: you know, or and putting your staff together, and there's

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Speaker 3: advantageous uh situations for teams that hire first. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I just think that there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: goofiness to it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I kind of look at it

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Speaker 2: as the prism of and this is probably wrong to do,

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Speaker 2: but I compare it to college football, which is infinitely worse.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got coaches leaving Old miss before the

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Speaker 2: playoffs starts. Yeah, you know, you got you have assistant

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Speaker 2: have to get on top of the transfer portal of

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Speaker 3: The Niners defense coordinators are going to leave this week

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Speaker 3: before the game, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, uh so, a whole bunch more to get into.

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Speaker 2: On the Drive, West Hueler. Matt Williamson, It's Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here. I feel like Matt, like

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Speaker 2: It's like every time I think I know what we're

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Speaker 3: Is there any way you get both?

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Speaker 3: I think that's possible.

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Speaker 3: No, that's that, those are the names I wanted to hear.

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Speaker 2: That's a great cut the chase, great point to make,

439
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Speaker 2: and I think, you know a great recent example of

440
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: that is and I'm just completely plucking this out of

441
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: left field, but for years and years and years, everyone

442
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 2: was like, why isn't Eric b Enemy getting a head

443
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: coaching job? Why is an Eric b Enemy getting a

444
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: head coaching job? You didn't know how much the people

445
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: within the organization felt like he was really successful for

446
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and their offense and how they were winning.

447
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's someone.

448
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 3: Who's like Ganny Reid did the offense and he's a

449
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Speaker 3: running back coach, or you know.

450
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Speaker 2: Right, Sometimes there's someone behind the scenes who's not getting

451
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Speaker 2: nearly enough credit. Sometimes there's someone towards the four runt

452
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Speaker 2: who was maybe getting too much credit. And I'm not

453
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Speaker 2: saying that that was just the example most recent of like, yeah,

454
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: why is why is this coach not getting a head

455
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: coaching job? Why does this coach not getting a head

456
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: coaching jobs?

457
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Speaker 3: They won a ton of games and championships and he's

458
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Speaker 3: the next guy in charge, or shouldn't he go get guy? Right?

459
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean maybe not, maybe not. You never know, and.

460
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Speaker 3: I'm a pick it on the enemy. But like I heard,

461
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 3: he wasn't a particularly good interview. Okay, Okay, that adds up,

462
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 3: you know hey, And that again secondhand information. I don't

463
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Speaker 3: sit down on these interviews.

464
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Speaker 2: A million million different things that that go into these equations.

465
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Speaker 2: And another thing, I know this won't surprise you, and

466
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Speaker 2: we'll get back to in a second. But another thing

467
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: that Art Rooney the second said was when we interviewed

468
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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin in two thousand and seven, we weren't expecting

469
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Speaker 2: him to be our next head coach.

470
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Speaker 3: No.

471
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Speaker 2: I think I think everybody knows that. I thought or

472
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Speaker 2: Grim exactly right?

473
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Speaker 3: Were they knew better?

474
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: Exactly right? In fact, there were even there were even

475
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: people in Pittsburgh that were reporting that it was Russ Grim. Yeah, yeah,

476
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: before they announced that it was Mike Tomlin.

477
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Speaker 3: I got the impression it was a tough decision.

478
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Speaker 2: Without without a doubt, and this one will be two.

479
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: And I hope they have their list right, They've got

480
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: their top two or three names, and then they've probably

481
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: got the next group of people too, just as this

482
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: always goes. I hope that in that next group of

483
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Speaker 2: people there's someone that they think, yeah, let's interview this person,

484
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: let's talk to them. They'll be good to talk to,

485
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: good to chat with that comes in and blows their doors.

486
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Speaker 3: Off, and to be honest and to be frank, I

487
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Speaker 3: hope people wont take us the wrong way. But that's

488
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Speaker 3: a big reason the Rooney rule exists, is just to

489
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Speaker 3: get somebody else in the door. You know, both of

490
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: us are white men. If we're both interviewing for the

491
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Speaker 3: job and it looks like we're grimm and malarkey and

492
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Speaker 3: we're both highly qualified, well we've got to bring in

493
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Speaker 3: one more. And maybe they're in the second group, you know,

494
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Speaker 3: you think it's two horse race and they're like, oh,

495
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: this dude's incredible, sign me up. And I'm not sure

496
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Speaker 3: that's what happened with Tomlin, but I mean, that's get

497
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Speaker 3: me in the door. And that's why the Rudey rule exists.

498
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Speaker 2: I think absolutely. And that's what I like a two

499
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Speaker 2: names me to you start me too. And we also

500
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Speaker 2: know at this time.

501
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Speaker 3: And they are young, so maybe they are just gonna

502
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Speaker 3: take the young guy.

503
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe hey, if hey, if they're looking

504
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: for someone who's young, in their thirties and ascending in

505
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: their career, ye, look no further, you found them. I'm

506
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: doing a lot cheaper than these guys would. I'm just kidding.

507
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: But if I do that, then Matt Williams's coming with me. Okay,

508
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: he's getting a job too. Uh we I want to

509
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Speaker 2: get into some of some of mister Rooney's comments on

510
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Speaker 2: the coaching staff. On the current coaching staff, okay, but

511
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: what we do know now too, is that the Cardinals

512
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: have requested to interview Arthur Smith for their vacant head

513
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: coaching jobs. So he got a request from the Titans

514
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: a few days ago, now the Cardinals. So that's just

515
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Speaker 2: some some other moving and shaking.

516
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Speaker 3: I haven't heard the comments, but I wonder if the

517
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Speaker 3: Steelers will at least sit down with them.

518
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm looking for the exact quote here, of course,

519
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: it's somewhere in my notes, and I wasn't you know,

520
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: we're we're all over the place. I was planning on

521
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: going to this specifically in the in the next segment,

522
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Speaker 2: but but one of the things that he talked about

523
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Speaker 2: was how none of the current members of the coaching

524
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Speaker 2: staff will be uh in consideration for the head jobs.

525
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Speaker 3: Okay, so, which I'm perfectly fine with. I think that's

526
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Speaker 3: That's what I.

527
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Speaker 2: Was gonna say. I'm more and more excited about change.

528
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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's I'm happy for Arthur

529
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Speaker 2: Smith that he's getting these opportunities. And if the Steelers

530
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: were going to interview him, I wouldn't be kicking and

531
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Speaker 2: screaming and pulling my hair out. But I'm ready for it.

532
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: Also know him pretty well.

533
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Speaker 2: I'm ready for They know him pretty well, and I'm ready.

534
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Speaker 2: I'm ready for change.

535
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what they want.

536
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Speaker 2: I think that's what they want.

537
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Speaker 3: You and I because I mean, they've got the building.

538
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Speaker 3: Who knows, but they might.

539
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Speaker 2: And I hope they keep the radio network at least

540
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Speaker 2: going on. You and I had this conversation back in

541
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Speaker 2: July or August, early in training camp. I'm gonna harket.

542
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna real quick. When I say got the building,

543
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: I mean the coaching staff I'm not talking.

544
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Speaker 2: About like every you know, what he means is a remodel.

545
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: So if you run a construction company in western Pennsylvania,

546
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: not only do they want resumes for the head coaching job,

547
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: but if you could put in your plans to gut

548
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Speaker 2: the whole building. I'm gonna harken back to this for

549
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: you for a second here as we kind of continued

550
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: to zig and zago over there. Yeah, sure, I promise

551
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: we will get to what mister Rooney said on Mike

552
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Tomlin's future and Aaron rodgers future. I don't know if

553
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: you remember this, but let me harken back to this

554
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: for a second. When you and I, it would have

555
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: been late July early August, one of the first days

556
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: of training camp, we were having a conversation about all

557
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: the significant change the Steelers had had in their off season. Okay, yeah, yeah,

558
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: and you know, talk about Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Ramsey

559
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: and you know in Metcat Yeah, and you're still early

560
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: on in the relatively early and the Arthur Smith tenure. Here.

561
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Speaker 2: You know, we talked about real significant change for the

562
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: Steelers organization in the office or in this past this

563
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: past off season. Ahead of training camp, and you and

564
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Speaker 2: I butted head on one little point, and I don't

565
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: know if you recall this, but like I think you

566
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: had said something along the lines of, like, the Steelers

567
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: made about as much significant change as you could make

568
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: for an organization and an off season, which I agree

569
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 2: with you with in the most part. I mean, your

570
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: quarterback on down the line, a lot of key players.

571
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: But I said something to you along the lines of,

572
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: as much as the Steelers have really changed the organization

573
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Speaker 2: over this past offseason and in the years before, general

574
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: new general manager, new coordinators, new quarterback, lot of significant

575
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: that I don't feel like you can really turn the page,

576
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: you can really close a chapter, you can really start

577
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: a new book unless the head coach changes. Yeah, And

578
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: I remember you and I having that conversation of like,

579
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: if I own a restaurant, I can bring in new

580
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: I can bring in new line cooks and new bartenders

581
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: and new servers, and that's all significant, But until I

582
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: changed the chef. Yeah, that's that's really the the ultimate change.

583
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Speaker 3: You're still going to run practices the same way, and

584
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: travel and ice conference. I mean, there's all the stuff

585
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: that the head coach in charge of, you know.

586
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like, and we're still early in this process,

587
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: but that the Steelers are going to use this as

588
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: an opportunity to really affect widespread change, not just not

589
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: just one or two coaches, not just a significant portion

590
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: of the not a general manager, but along with the

591
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: head coach, we are going to usher in an entirely

592
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: new era. You had this conversation, you brought this great

593
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: point up when the Steelers acquired Kyle Duggar. You were like,

594
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: he can still play, don't you know. Don't let the

595
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: almost you know, Patriots getting rid of this guy what

596
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: they did with Jabrol Peppers. Because when you're really changing over,

597
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: when you're really ushering in a new era, sometimes there's

598
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: people that are good at their jobs that are just

599
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: you were part of the last regime. We're going a

600
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: different direction here, oh tons, and there will be tons

601
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: of people that are good at their jobs on the

602
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: Steelers coaching staff that move in a new direction here.

603
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: I think that's an exciting thing. Like I this is

604
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: the time for the organization for Heart or any of

605
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: the second in company to affect vast significant change.

606
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Speaker 3: And I think that's definitely coming. I mean, yesterday wasn't

607
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: the day to discuss that today is and I'm not

608
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: saying it's for the best, but I'm excited about it,

609
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: and frankly, I kind of do think it's for the best.

610
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm some of the day and I used

611
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: to talk about a lot was door number two or

612
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: go fish? Yeah, you know, like we'd be like, well,

613
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: this is a nice player, but I'm kind of interested

614
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: what door number two might be and that's an unknown

615
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: or let's go fish. I'm kind of excited to go fish.

616
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Speaker 3: You know, it might be much worse. I mean, the

617
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: standards are very high. It's going to be hard to

618
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: live up to that. But I think change is a

619
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: good thing in this instance.

620
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Speaker 2: I think there's a great chance that this team doesn't

621
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Speaker 2: win double digit games and win the AFC North next year,

622
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, I mean yeah, I think there's a solid

623
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: chance for the first time in nearly a quarter century,

624
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: the Steelers have a losing record next year.

625
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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, exactly, we'll spend quarterback is I was

626
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 6: just going to say, we don't need to do this now,

627
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 6: because we're going to spend hours and hours of coming

628
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 6: talking about the quarterback situation.

629
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Speaker 2: But for right now, if it's Mason Rudolph, if it's

630
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Will Howard, if it's a if it's a retread veteran,

631
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Speaker 2: that's not going to be Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers.

632
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: It's a first round pick.

633
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: And even if it's a first round pick that in

634
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: all likelihood is not going to be Fernando Mendoza. I

635
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: mean you, in all likelihood, it's more likely that you'll

636
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: take a step back in twenty twenty six before you

637
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: take a step forward. But that's all part of significant

638
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: wholesale change. And again, it we could we could be

639
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: here in three four years kind of banging our head

640
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: against the desks of like we're still trying to find

641
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: this right equation and get back to getting in the

642
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: dance every year and those double digit wins and division titles.

643
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: But there's there's a real chance that you know that

644
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: it is better. Absolutely. In fact, I say, I would

645
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: say it's it's even more likely that that's the case,

646
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: because that's just history tells us that that's what happens

647
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: more often than not.

648
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is true for all coaching changes, but

649
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: often an argument for not making a coaching change, And

650
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: I understand the Steelers did not fire coach Tomlin. He resigned,

651
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: But man, the guy Wrenny gets worse. Take the chance.

652
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you got you gotta roll the dice, you know.

653
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Speaker 3: I mean this is more suited towards the other organizations

654
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Speaker 3: you know in Miami. I know what this guy is.

655
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: He's a decent coach. I'm afraid that we're gonna get

656
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Speaker 3: worse at the position. So yeah, get you know, it

657
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean he has to be here for twenty years, right.

658
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Speaker 3: If he's terrible, yeah, they're rid of him.

659
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Speaker 2: The next coach doesn't have to be here for nineteen years.

660
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Speaker 2: You're right right now.

661
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: You're looking for the answer. No matter as long as

662
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Speaker 3: it takes, they'll get you a Super Bowl title.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. Plenty more to get into here

664
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Speaker 2: as we roll along. What did Art Rooney the second

665
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Speaker 2: have to say about Mike Tomlin's coaching future? What did

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Speaker 2: he have to say about Aaron Rodgers' future? Let's touch

667
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Speaker 2: on that when we returned West Shouler Matt Williamson. It

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Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here as we roll along, it's

673
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Speaker 2: a busy week. It's a busy time. And speaking of

674
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Speaker 2: NFL draft news, Dante Moore has decided to return to

675
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Speaker 2: Oregon for the twenty twenty sixth season. That's or shaking

676
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Speaker 2: right crazy. Yeah, because Dylan Riola, who's one of the

677
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Speaker 2: top quarterbacks in the transfer portal, just committed Nebraska. The

678
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Speaker 2: Nebraska the guy who's obsessed with Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, everything,

679
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Speaker 2: his dad.

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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: That's a great center.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's crazy because I thought for sure once

682
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Speaker 2: he made that announcement a few days ago, well that

683
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Speaker 2: means Dante, why would Oregon go out and pay big

684
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: money to a quarterback? Why would that quarterback want to

685
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: come there and sit behind Dante More Now, maybe that

686
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: throws reap. Maybe Riola wind up going somewhere else now, But.

687
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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's not like binding set in stone, like

688
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: he could get out of that now.

689
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: I believe so, I believe so so we uh we

690
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Speaker 2: willach every bark.

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Speaker 3: In the world had more going second overall or the

692
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Speaker 3: top three. The quarterback group is took a hit. I mean,

693
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Speaker 3: I'm just sorting about a particular NFL perspective.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be for Nana Mendoza number one. Yeah,

695
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: and then a lot of questions about how.

696
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: It shakes out, a lot of speculation, a lot of speculation,

697
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: and again I have a lot of work to do.

698
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: But I got some real doubts about Ty Simpson. Same

699
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: and if he's you're clear too, man, I mean he's

700
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Speaker 3: happy about it.

701
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Speaker 2: But all these guys, I mean, Carson Beck and Trinidad

702
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: Chamberliss should be happy about everyone not named for anyone

703
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: knows should be happy about this. And obviously we will

704
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: have plenty more on that as we were all along

705
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Speaker 2: with that significant surprising news jets not happen.

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Speaker 6: Maybe maybe that's the that's the reason why, and this

707
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 6: will be part of the I'm warming up bore.

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Speaker 2: To the uh Mason, Rudolph will Howard, some veteran quarterback

709
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: tread water for a year.

710
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Speaker 3: You're here to be talking about Maleek willis a lot.

711
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: By the way, that's fine.

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00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: Actually I would sign up for that. We'll say save

713
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Speaker 2: it West. We got plenty of time, plenty of time,

714
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of conversation, and you and I made

715
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: sure to mention many times yesterday that the Steelers did

716
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: not fire Mike Tomlin, which is important as it relates

717
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: to his rights. He's almost like an asset in a way,

718
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: still under contract for the Pittsburgh Steelers organization. When asked about,

719
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Speaker 2: you know, Mike Tomlin coaching elsewhere, if he could have

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Speaker 2: any opportunities this off season or only the second set,

721
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Speaker 2: and I quote that he indicated he did not anticipate

722
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: coaching at least you know, in the near future end quote.

723
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: Now that's obviously very open ended, right. Near future could

724
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: just mean.

725
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: Year, absolutely could do the Sean Payton one year in

726
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: the booth or whatever, you know.

727
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: But near future could also mean in the next two

728
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: or three years. And there's I don't know if you've

729
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: answered this on your Twitter or on some of the

730
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Speaker 2: podcasts that you do, but I've gotten some questions about

731
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Speaker 2: how does that work of do they have Mike Tomlin's

732
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Speaker 2: rights in perpetuity until he decides to come back from coaching?

733
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Speaker 3: Boy hoope West doesn't ask me that because I don't know.

734
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Speaker 2: Well, I know the answer, Oh good, because I went

735
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: and looked it up. The Steelers retain Mike Tomlin's rights

736
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Speaker 2: for two years regardless through the twenty twenty seven season. Okay,

737
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: So if Mike Tomlin spends the next two years doing

738
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Speaker 2: TV anything, doing anything, doing anything, the Steelers will no

739
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: longer have his rights. So if it's three, four, five

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Speaker 2: seasons from now until Mike Tomlin, anything more than two

741
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Speaker 2: years Mike Tomlin decides to return to coaching, you don't

742
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Speaker 2: have that same Sean Payton, we still retain his rights,

743
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: we can, we can trade him. It would have to

744
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 2: be ahead of that twenty twenty seven season, two years

745
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: from now. That's a significant wrinkle in this equation.

746
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Speaker 3: It is now at first I've heard that. But if

747
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: I'm an owner two years from now looking for a

748
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Speaker 3: coach and Tomlin has done nothing in the NFL and

749
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Speaker 3: he wouldn't have I would be a lot less attractive

750
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Speaker 3: than now we're a year from now.

751
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Speaker 2: It that is, you know what I mean. It almost

752
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: makes me chuckle when you stay it out. But yes,

753
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: taking a year off.

754
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Speaker 3: Especially if you're doing broadcasting and you're at games and

755
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: still you're not on the beach, you know, right right,

756
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: and you just take a step back or whatever.

757
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: Two years though, that's if you're doing.

758
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: Nothing related, you accepting some stuff on your own time and.

759
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: Right right, free agency classes.

760
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Speaker 3: You know nothing about Mendoza as a prospect or you know,

761
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 3: I mean, or in the next group, and all those

762
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: things you can get behind. His value to me as

763
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: an owner two years from now would be drastically less

764
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: than it is now, or even a year from now,

765
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: depending what he does in the meantime. Doesn't mean he

766
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't still get hired. But I also find it funny,

767
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: and I understand why it happens. But Sean Payton, for example,

768
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: and Tom It will be in an exact same boat.

769
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna use that over no right. And they're both

770
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame type coaches, and the Broncos are thrilled

771
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: it's a good deal for them. But I find it

772
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: funny because the coach has to say yes, I mean,

773
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: he's not just you can't just trade him like you

774
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: trade you know, Metcalf or Watt or whoever you're going

775
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: to Arizona. I don't want to go to Arizona. Well,

776
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: then either don't play anymore and not can pay it anymore.

777
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: But the coach has to at least say it, Yes,

778
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go be the head coach of the Raiders

779
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: or Rams or whatever. But you're taking something away from

780
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 3: his new team. And usually it's a pretty significant pick.

781
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: The first third for Chanpagne.

782
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: Right, boy, I'm really excited to be the raiders next

783
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: head coach. I was a lot more excited when I

784
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: had the first round pick or the second round pick

785
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: or what you know what I mean, like, you're stealing

786
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: from your new team.

787
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you're almost Yeah, you're you're cutting draft capital

788
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: from the team you're about to joint. It's a bizarre

789
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: it a world to be that coach.

790
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Right, it's a it's awesome, this new team loves me,

791
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: but I wish we had our picks.

792
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: And it's a heck of a testament to the Broncos

793
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: because they were in they were in cap hell Wilson

794
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: and had to give up some picks, yeah, and still

795
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: ended up making that thing work with Sean Payton. It's

796
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: a testament to hym.

797
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: And it often works. I mean, like got trade and

798
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: they wanted to see the right right. Yeah. Rarely it's like, man,

799
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: we threw a bunch of draft picks.

800
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: It's for good coach, Because it's for good coach. Yes,

801
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: that are established, do you see. I I am am

802
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: pretty confident that Mike Tomlin will not coach in twenty

803
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: twenty six, based off of what art Ny the second

804
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: said today, and based off what people like the Adam

805
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: Schefters of the world have reported, people that aren't just

806
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: willy Nilly I heard from a source like Schefter reported

807
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: Tomlin will not coach in twenty twenty six. He's not

808
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: gonna say that unless he's almost iron glad that he's correct.

809
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these insiders get stuff from agents mostly.

810
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: But what if it's a week from now. Okay, dustin

811
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: smoke has settled a little bit in a week, you know,

812
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: people have calmed down, they've slept on it for a week.

813
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: You know.

814
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring that bring that heart rate and that

815
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: pulse and that whole bleep factor down a little bit

816
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: from it's a week or two from now, and one

817
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: of these bad, desperate teams like the Arizona Cardinals or

818
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans, or the Giants or the Raiders still

819
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: don't have a head coach.

820
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Like the Raiders keep coming to mind to me because

821
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: they would do anything to be eight or nine win team.

822
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: And that's why they hired Pete Carroll one year ago

823
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: for the exact same reason that this didn't work.

824
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Speaker 2: I'm Tom Brady Okay. I'm with the Raiders ownership. I'm

825
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, and I call up Mike Tomlin's agent and

826
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: I say, we want to trade for him, but obviously

827
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: we need your sign off.

828
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: Here is Mike's so interested in coaching, we will give.

829
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: Him an extension that makes him the highest paid coach

830
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: in the NFL. That's saying we will give him full

831
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: autonomy over our roster and personnel decisions and his coaching staff.

832
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: That's that's why I sit here thinking like and if

833
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: you're the Steelers, it's like, yeah, Arizona, I'll take your

834
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: throat overall. Pick thank you very much. Like I wonder

835
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: if there's a scenario where that would where that would

836
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: still happen, where someone before the.

837
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: Draft stone that he's not going to coach, because he

838
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: might not even know that answer. I mean he might

839
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: be like, boy, a year off sounds great, I missed

840
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: my family. Maybe I will do some TV radio, whatever.

841
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: But again, these owners have so much money if they say, well,

842
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: what if I double your contract?

843
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: So it's okay, So is the highest paid coach in

844
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: the NFL at about twenty million dollars annually? Okay, Okay.

845
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: Sean Payton eighteen, and then it was thought that Tomlin

846
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: and Harbaugh were next in line. Again, these are not

847
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: exactly no, like.

848
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: You can go to like spot track and find.

849
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: It exactly right. But if they if someone like the

850
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Raiders or the Cardinals or the Giants says Mike, if

851
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: you come back this year, we'll give you everything, We'll

852
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: give you everything. Twenty five million dollars a year. Here's

853
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: your extension, all the autonomy you want over the staff

854
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: and the person. Be very interesting.

855
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: And I would understand it if I was especially a

856
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: perennial loser, totally again.

857
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: But if I'm the Steelers, I'm like, I want that

858
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick. I want that third overall pick from Arizona.

859
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: And then maybe it becomes less attractive to Mike tom

860
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: Win to go and take a job like that right

861
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: now when I'm not going to have the top five

862
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: pick that comes with it.

863
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: As you can imagine, I've been asked this a ton

864
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours, is well, can the

865
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: Steelers get one of these top two or three picks?

866
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I bet not, I bet not, But.

867
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Speaker 3: But I bet you get the first pick in the

868
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: second round and something else.

869
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: Maybe their first round pick in twenty two, yeah or.

870
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: Seven, So yeah, I mean two significant picks. Then I

871
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: don't think you're gonna get a top five. I don't

872
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: think you can get Mendoz out of it. You know

873
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: how many times I've been tweeted about Mendoza in the

874
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: last you know.

875
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh, then that's the that'd be the easiest. If Mike

876
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Tomlin is willing to get traded to the Raiders and

877
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: signs off on that and you get the first overall pick.

878
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: Why would Mike Tomlin want to go to the Raiders

879
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: if he's not going to have Mendoza.

880
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: Exactly, and it's too much to give up exactly.

881
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: It is exactly right.

882
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: And we'll get this out of the way. I looked,

883
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 3: double checked at Peyton was traded for. It was Peyton,

884
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry Peyton, and the second for a first

885
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: and a third, and I think the first rounder was

886
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: late from the broncos it was not a top five pick.

887
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: That's okay. Yeah, it wouldn't have been in terms of

888
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: the timeline there.

889
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: Because I think they were middle, middle of the middle

890
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: of the pack.

891
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: It was a decent pick. I mean it was first.

892
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: It was like the fifteenth figures.

893
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the twenty ninth. No, yes, it wasn't

894
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: top ten.

895
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: It was obviously weren't Super Bowl champions the pick they get, Yes,

896
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: but I think it was the Saints sent them a

897
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: second and they got a first and a third. I

898
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: think I know the second third thing was some.

899
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: Sort of swamp, but it was a yeah.

900
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think that's kind of the going rate.

901
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: It is the going rate, certainly. And yeah, I I

902
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: mean again, if we're if you and I are down

903
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: at Rivers Casino or whatever, like I'm putting my chip

904
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: down on the on Mike Tomlin taking at least a

905
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: year off. Yeah, but a week or two from now,

906
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: things can change very quickly in this league. What if

907
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: a job, what if a job like the Bills or

908
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 2: the Packers or something comes open.

909
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's kind of why, maybe why Harbaugh's

910
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: even hanging around.

911
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what if what if the Bills? What if

912
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: the Bills go to New England and lose by two touchdowns?

913
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: Three touchdowns? Right, and McDermott's out.

914
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: Mcdermot's situation is not much different than Harbaugh's end of

915
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: Ravens situation. You have the best ish quarterback in the

916
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: league and you can't get me to exactly where I want.

917
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Change would be nice, Yeah, I hear you. Or man,

918
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: maybe coach loves cam Ward, you know what I mean?

919
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Like no, whatever thinks of this, Like people assume, oh,

920
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: the Steelers pushed them out. Well maybe he looked at

921
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Steelers situation like I don't know how I can get

922
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: my next quarterback. But I look at Tennessee and be

923
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: like he's maybe I love Jackson dart or you know

924
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: what I mean, look at the Raiders right right, right right,

925
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: I can draft love Mendoza. You know, I'd love to

926
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: work with that young kid, you know, and he gets

927
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: a new lease on life and the Steelers get a

928
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: good pick out of it, and everybody's happy.

929
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know, And.

930
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: It's a lot of angles.

931
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: There's there's so much to dissect and analyze and it

932
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: could still go a million different ways.

933
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: And it'll be even interesting too. If Tomlin says tomorrow

934
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm working for NBC or Fox or whatever, Well all

935
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: year we're going to be like, don't forget that twenty

936
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 3: twenty seven draft. Yep, the Steelers do have an asset

937
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: that they can use, you know.

938
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: Yes, they do. You know, yes they do.

939
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Oh, how are they ever going to get their quarterback? Well,

940
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: they finished with a seven and ten record with the

941
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: new coach, and they have the twelfth pick in the draft.

942
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: It was funny, actually it was the twenty ninth. I

943
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: was like, it wasn't the twenty ninth overall.

944
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: Pictures later in the mid it.

945
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: Was the twenty ninth pick. The Saints received the Broncos

946
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three first round pick, twenty ninth overall, and

947
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: their twenty twenty four second round pick.

948
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm trying to that. What I couldn't understand, remember, is

949
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: why Denver end up picking twenty ninth because they must

950
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: have made it trade.

951
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: In that so they got a twenty twenty three first

952
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: and a twenty twenty four second and third. Okay, is

953
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: what the Saints got?

954
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I thought the Saints. I thought the bronc

955
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: or the Saints had to send a second or third

956
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: back with Peyton. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

957
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm reading this wrong. My reading comprehension strongs Okay,

958
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: Saints will received the Broncos first round pick in twenty

959
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty twenty four second round pick. Oh

960
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: and then the set. Sorry, you're right, the Saints sent

961
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: back the third round.

962
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yah, yeah, okay, okay, So there was a

963
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: Day two pick swap, Yes, and I knew it was

964
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: a late first, but I couldn't remember why Denver because

965
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: it wasn't like Denver was fourteen.

966
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: That kind of kibosh is the you know, the thing

967
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: in the sky scenario have ended up with a top

968
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: five pick or something like that.

969
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: I think that's unreally. Yeah, people need to get that

970
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: out of their head.

971
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: The last one here, Matt that that obviously warrants a

972
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: quick conversation is the future of Aaron Rodgers, and of

973
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: course our Rooney the second asked about if Tomlin's decision

974
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: to step down will impact Aaron Rodgers thoughts about a

975
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: potential second season with the team and continuing his career

976
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Aaron or part of me, Rooney said, and I quote,

977
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Aaron came here to play for Mike, so I think

978
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: it will most likely affect his decision. End quote. Okay,

979
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: that doesn't surprise us. I also think though, I also

980
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: think though when it wasn't even like mister Rooney attempted

981
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: to sugarcoat that and leave the door open, I think

982
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: that pretty much closes the book on Eric unless the

983
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: next head coach were to come in and say, I

984
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: absolutely want that guy. I think that probably about closes

985
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: the book.

986
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: Connection la Floor gets fired and you know something like that.

987
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: Maybe Rogers may have not thought he's not playing no

988
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: matter what. Maybe everyone in the organization knows. May it's

989
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: the worst Cup secret in the world, Like, I'm done, guys,

990
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: you know, I'm really only doing year. Who knows, But

991
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 3: Rogers did make it pretty clear. A huge reason coming

992
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: here is because of coach t You know, there's so

993
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: much respect for Tomlin around the league. Plus the Rogers

994
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: experiment worked out and better than I even expected. But

995
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: if we are talking about wholesale changes in terms of

996
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: what you were saying before about let's really make changes,

997
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: it's probably a good year to go a different direction

998
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: at that position too. Sure, you know absolutely running it

999
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: back would not be the same way of running it

1000
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: back at all, you know, and then most you get

1001
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: one year.

1002
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: Out of it.

1003
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: I am, which I would be really intrigued if Rogers

1004
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: sit in a quarterback room with a young pop I

1005
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: would love that. But yeah, I kind of thought after

1006
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: Tomlin resigned, the chance of Rogers coming back.

1007
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Is it's a new era, it's a new day.

1008
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you won't be the Vikings quarterback.

1009
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: Certainly them before, certainly a possibility, but I would be

1010
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: at this point in time, I would be shocked if

1011
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: he is back for a second season with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1012
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1013
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, hour in the books, another hour ago. We're going

1014
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: to continue to talk about this conversation, talk about this

1015
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: Steelers job. Maybe we'll get into some pros and cons.

1016
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: If you were one of the coaches interviewing with the Steelers,

1017
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: what would you like, what would you be concerned by?

1018
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: And we will talk to the great Chris Adamski. He

1019
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: was at art UNI the seconds press conference today. We'll

1020
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: get his thoughts in our number two as well. All

1021
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: that and more as we roll along halfway home on

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Speaker 2: the drive Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio netw