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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollie. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt we we've got a couple

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Speaker 2: of days of OTAs here. Ye about it in the

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Speaker 2: books and uh, well, Tuesday was a fun day. They

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Speaker 2: had a bunch of former Steelers down there. But I

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Speaker 2: think this I was told the number was around thirty alumni.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Visiting the practice on Tuesday in clinting Troy, Paula Malo

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Speaker 2: and Casey Hampton. Casey Hampton looks like half of Casey Hampton.

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Speaker 3: Really lookod for him. Yeah, he's like you might not

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Speaker 3: recognize him walking past them, you.

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Speaker 2: Would recognize him. He looks like Casey Hampton. He's not

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Speaker 2: as big as Casey Hampton. He's not a linebacker.

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Speaker 3: They gaping and taking on double teams anymore.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of those guys down there. It's good

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Speaker 2: to see some of those guys.

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Speaker 3: And you said Troy was down there too, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: very cool. So they get sets the tone for the

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Speaker 3: young pups. Yeah, sure, that's not an accident.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you're a young guy like I don't know

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields, or you're one of one of these rookies

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Speaker 2: and you're like.

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Speaker 3: Even betting from last year. Right right, that's Troy wall

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Speaker 3: I used him.

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Speaker 2: I'm maddener.

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Speaker 3: I watched him growing up or right right, I mean, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure every I would have been looking over my shoulder.

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Speaker 3: There's Troy Palm. That's cool, you know, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: very good.

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Speaker 2: So I just gives you. I think it gives some

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Speaker 2: of the younger guys an idea. So I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's an accent what the Steelers are about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're new around here. This is what was older

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Speaker 3: around here. And it was pretty good, you know for

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Speaker 3: those guys.

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Speaker 2: For these guys, a day like that is like the

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Speaker 2: you know, the seventy five Steelers showing up at your practice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly right. I mean it was. We interact with

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Speaker 3: a lot of former Steelers, especially a camp, and when

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Speaker 3: Mel Blunt was there, I turned into fanboy, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was like that's Melbowe. Oh my god, you know

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Speaker 3: I was six watching him. You know what a stunt,

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Speaker 3: you know, So yeah, that stuffs real And that's the

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Speaker 3: beauty of the game and the sport and the legacy

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Speaker 3: and this team and not everyone has that kind of

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Speaker 3: you know legacy. Obviously there's the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that was cool. We got to see, uh,

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Speaker 2: we got to see you know, those quarterbacks on the field.

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Speaker 2: We're getting to see some some different things on the

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Speaker 2: offensive line. But yeah, I mean, all in all, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers getting some work in and yet the biggest

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Speaker 2: one of the things, one of the biggest questions that

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlan was asked on the first day of camp.

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Speaker 2: He spoke after practice on the first day, what's the

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Speaker 2: situation with Cam Hayward? Are you are you upset that

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Speaker 2: he's not here? It's a volunteer. Even if Cam Hayward

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Speaker 2: shows up with this ot A, Mike Tomlin is not

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Speaker 2: putting him on the field. The guy had surgery on

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Speaker 2: his growing for months ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I mean he's not.

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Speaker 2: Why the hell would you put him on the field

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Speaker 3: And why does he even need to be there? I mean,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't. He doesn't and it's solely up to him.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's had some communication with the team. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's going to tom He spoke to him

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Speaker 3: twice on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Other people we.

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Speaker 2: Were trying to blow this up into a big deal

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Speaker 2: are the people who try to blow everything up in

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Speaker 3: There's just not much to talk about this time of year, so.

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Speaker 2: You're going to try to make this into something it's not.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, are they going to get Cam Hayward's side.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe he's not an OTV sessions. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised people aren't, like, oh, maybe they'll trade Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 3: He's unhappy. I don't think he's unhappy one bit. He's

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Right, here's the you know, I can remember when OTAs

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Speaker 2: first started back in the early two thousand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they were like hardly even reported on back then.

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Speaker 2: Right, you went, you watched practice and maybe you talk

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Speaker 2: to some guys here and there, but you didn't you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I s you're saying to the players, right right,

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Speaker 2: Right? It's a non mandatory event. It's it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: you know, if somebody said hey, if if our boss

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Speaker 2: came to us and said hey, Matt and Dale, we

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Speaker 2: want you to do some practice. We'd like you to

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Speaker 2: do some practice. Radio shows, podcasts. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: be broadcast anywhere, right, you're not going to get paid

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Speaker 2: for them. We to practice these podcasts.

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Speaker 3: We we could talk about Strawberry Shortcake and rainbows or

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Speaker 3: whatever too, right, don't about.

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Speaker 2: How many people would actually go to those things, right?

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Speaker 2: Do that? Yeah, as you're saying.

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Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean even his surgery aside, that is

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Speaker 3: going to be more for louder Milk and Leoo.

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Speaker 2: And the dude they drafted.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean one of the huge things

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Speaker 3: about these OTAs across the whole league is teaching young

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Speaker 3: a step further, is teaching them how to practice as

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Speaker 3: Steelers pre you know, I mean, we we take this

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Speaker 3: very seriously, but we're not gonna blast each other. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna hit quarterbacks. We're gonna go hard, but

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Speaker 3: there's a pace to it. You know, this is almost

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is kindergarten. I mean, this is teaching

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Speaker 3: kids how to use the crayons. You know, ABC's yet.

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Speaker 2: But the bigger, the bigger fish here the white whale

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Speaker 2: that you have to you have to knock off in

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Speaker 2: this OTA session is everybody's learning the new offense. Well

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Speaker 2: tofense can go do whatever they're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Very few changes on defense. A couple of new faces,

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Speaker 2: It hasn't changed any of the defense. You've got a

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Speaker 2: whole new group of guys learning a new offense. That's

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Speaker 2: where all the emphasis has.

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Speaker 3: To be placed. Absolutely, and again Cam being here or

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Speaker 3: not is not even doffect matter one bit. So Yeah,

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Speaker 3: two new quarterbacks and a whole new offense. Even if

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Speaker 3: it was the same offense, you have two new quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of adjustment for the new quarter Well true, true,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the two quarterback room. Is is new.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if you had the same offense but

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Speaker 3: a whole new quarterback room, the Pickings and Austin's of

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Speaker 3: the world would be adjusting, you know.

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Speaker 2: Let alone.

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Speaker 3: Now everybody's you know, learning the verbiage and everything different

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Speaker 2: Here's one thing I did like today, Matt or over

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Speaker 2: these first few days. What receiver do you think you know?

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Speaker 2: How they do it? They always have a pecking order. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this guy goes first, that guy goes second, and it's

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of times based on seniority or talent

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Speaker 3: Like nause he takes first reps with the running backs,

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Speaker 3: you know, right, So who do you.

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Speaker 2: Think in the drills is running first? Is doing the

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Speaker 2: drill first at the wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Would help Pickens?

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Speaker 2: You would be wrong.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the excuse the best of the players.

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Speaker 2: Calvin Austin is out there taking the like the little

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Speaker 2: tip of the tip of the hat to Calvin Austin.

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Speaker 3: That's stepping up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good.

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Speaker 3: He was considered a very hard worker. I think a

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not just speed with him good. I'll

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Speaker 3: frankly have been worried about him, not like is he

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Speaker 3: make it, And I didn't think that was a wonderful

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, Russell Wilson brought his name

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Speaker 2: up a couple of times. Really you know, just talking

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Speaker 2: about you know, the guys are out there work and

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Speaker 2: they're following Calvin's lead.

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Speaker 3: And oh cool, okay, And you know, I often look

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Speaker 3: at it like, boy, the room got crowded, some of

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Speaker 3: the incumbents could get pushed out maybe tither way around.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know, they think he's clearly better than all

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Speaker 3: those dudes and they're all fighting for it, you know,

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Speaker 3: and maybe they look at Austin like he could be

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, yeah, you know, if he

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Speaker 3: And I think he goes in the first fifty picks

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Speaker 3: if he's it's just taller. But he isn't. But he's

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Speaker 3: it would be monsters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the other stuff. The two quarterbacks spoke

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday. It's the first time we had an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to speak to Justin Fields, and he said Pittsburgh was

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Speaker 2: was one of the places he said, look, this is

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Speaker 2: Bears and said this, you know this, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to trade me, this is one of the places I

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Speaker 2: want to go.

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Speaker 3: So the Bears GM Ryan Poles took some heat for

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Speaker 3: this from some and some praised him for it that

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Speaker 3: and frankly, I didn't know if I believed it or

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Speaker 3: not that he kind of said, we send Fields to

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh even though we had better offers on the table,

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Speaker 3: because that's where Justin wanted to go. Yeah, And like

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Speaker 3: I immediately thought, if I'm the owner, do I want

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Speaker 3: my GM doing that or.

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Speaker 2: I rather get a round earlier pick.

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Speaker 3: I think there's just way it depends on the player, right,

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Speaker 3: because he was super popular, he's starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You wanted to do him a solid, like, hey, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a tip of the cab. Hey, we screwed things

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Speaker 2: up for you here.

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Speaker 3: We didn't give you it.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do it. We didn't do it. And so

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Speaker 2: they did not do their end of it.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean from the day they drafted until the

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Speaker 3: day they traded him.

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Speaker 2: There was actually a reporter there from the Chicago Sun

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Speaker 2: Times yesterday. Oh really when when when Fields spoke and

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Speaker 2: he asked him, Hey, did you know did you feel

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Speaker 2: like you were supported well enough by the Bears? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: front office, He's I'm not, I'm really that there's no

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Speaker 2: reason for me to answer that now.

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Speaker 3: But I find it kind of humorous that Arthur Smith

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Speaker 3: and Fields can look back at their old team and

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Speaker 3: be like, so, now you go out, like where was

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins when I was there?

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Speaker 2: Was Ketan Allen when I was there? You know? Right? Like, okay,

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Speaker 2: thanks a lot, you know, but I think there is

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lawley. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: And uh Matt. One of the other things that Mike

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Speaker 2: So he was asked about the situation about not picking

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Speaker 2: And you know, I honestly think and and Harris was

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Speaker 3: I could certainly see that, so a couple more years

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Speaker 2: Basically by doing that year. It's a weird since you're

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, and that's happened, but it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's Paulie, you got hit by lightning, bare right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at least have flexibility if you can write the contract,

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Speaker 2: If it's you know, if you if you just give

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I very much believe that. But I

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Speaker 2: Let's add a year to it or two right, let's

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't have to overpay this guy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: stuff at the right time.

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Speaker 2: Is that you believe analytically driven mm hmmm, Because then

441
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: now the Steelers get a lot of pushback. Well, they're

442
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 2: not very analytically driven. I do know they use analytics.

443
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I don't think they have as large

444
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,920
Speaker 3: of an analytics department as most teams from what I've

445
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 3: been told. That doesn't mean they ignore them by any stretch.

446
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 3: And it's a hard question to answer, because analytics just

447
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,160
Speaker 3: means numbers, right, you know what I mean, Like.

448
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: There are one hundred and fifty running backs drafted in

449
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 2: the last ten years, right, this is how many of them,

450
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, whatever.

451
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's a shock since Omar

452
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 3: has been the GM that they drafted tackles, you know.

453
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a shortage and it's really worked

454
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,199
Speaker 3: out well. They traded up for one, you know, and

455
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 3: then the other one fell in their lap.

456
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even trading up for Project Jones. Are they

457
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 2: only gave up a fourth round pick.

458
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 3: They did go far. I mean that was nothing just

459
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 3: to jump the Jets, just to make sure they got

460
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: them or whatever. But yeah, I mean, but I mean,

461
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 3: a center is not an analytically driven pick in the

462
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 3: second round in terms of just you know, where you're.

463
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 2: Putting some money. Basically, a those tackle right two years ago,

464
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: right right?

465
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 3: Right?

466
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: So it took a center and a those tackle in

467
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: the second round and back to back drafts.

468
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean so, I think the old school

469
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 3: physicality winning the trenches is still very much a part

470
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 3: of who this team is and probably always will be

471
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 3: if the same people are owning them, and along with

472
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 3: let's allocate our money as smart as possible. And right now,

473
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 3: they don't have a quarterback making fifty million. I mean

474
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 3: two was about to sign for fifty million. I'm golf

475
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,479
Speaker 3: just signed for fifty million. You know, like that's the

476
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 3: water that every team swimming into some regard, and the

477
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: Steelers are going to don't aren't there now?

478
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: So let's put the Falcons are paying Kirk Cousins for

479
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 2: what he.

480
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 3: Was, yeah, not for what he might be this year

481
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: and hoping he's that same guy.

482
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: But the the Jets are in the same bread with

483
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, right, you know, you gave up a bunch

484
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: of draft capital and money just coach signed Aaron Rodgers,

485
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: let alone all the friends of Aaron that you had

486
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: to go out and sign.

487
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the mortgage in your future for the I mean,

488
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,239
Speaker 3: if they're if they drafted a quarterback two years ago

489
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 3: as opposed to signing Rogers, they wouldn't have signed Tyron Smith, right,

490
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 3: you know, they probably were still drafted a tackle, but

491
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have draft. You wouldn't trade for Morgan Moses

492
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Speaker 3: and Tyron Smith. I mean, you wouldn't get all the

493
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, the.

494
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: Old guy can.

495
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: They might all win one together and right up in

496
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 3: the sunset, that's the plan. But you know, every team's differently,

497
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 3: so I think this goes out saying, but there's thirty

498
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 3: two teams out there, and all thirty two of them

499
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 3: are running.

500
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: Thirty two teams in the NFL or thirty one teams

501
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: in the NFL, And then there are the Pittsburgh.

502
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: Steelers and they're all run differently. You know, they all

503
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: and they all want to win, but they all have

504
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 3: different timelines too, you know, Like the Russell Wilson Seahawks

505
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: were the perfect example. Before they signed them, they could

506
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: go get any defensive player they wanted and they had

507
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: a rookie deal. And like again I bring up the Cowboys.

508
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: They blew the Dak contract at d time when he

509
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: was super cheap because they had overpaid Romo. And they're

510
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: still they still at expensive quarterbacks even though they're they're

511
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: starters not making any money.

512
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: I think he had one year in that in that

513
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: where they're started with their quarterback room wasn't making any money.

514
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: Insane.

515
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: It was like I think the whole room was making

516
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: like four million dollars.

517
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifth round in his third year or fourth year.

518
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: You know, then you you're also paying DeMarcus Lawrence, and

519
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: you're paying Tyron Smith, and you're you know, you're paying

520
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: these offensive line like yeah you just Ezekiel Elliott was

521
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: making way more money over.

522
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Speaker 3: Oh, for most runners, for most running backs, or the

523
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Speaker 3: Niners are a great example. Brock Party makes one million

524
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: dollars a year and he's given them what Tua gives

525
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: the Dolphins at least, and two was about signed for

526
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: fifty million a year, you know what I mean, Like.

527
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Speaker 2: That's gonna be interesting to me. What did the Niners

528
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: do with brock Party?

529
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think a lot of people told me

530
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 3: that Miami's already done with two. They're gonna they're gonna

531
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Speaker 3: give him golf contract. Yeah. Fine. If I'm Shanahan, though,

532
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: I'd rather have the Trent Williams. I mean the days

533
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: of Trent Williams and McCaffrey.

534
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: And signed Yvon Hargray exactly.

535
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 3: Every year they go get a shiny new toy that's

536
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: done real soon, you know, unless you're gonna trade party

537
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: would ever?

538
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean really after this season, I think they're done now. Yeah,

539
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: because this is year three. You don't have the fifty

540
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: year option. You got to you got to him after

541
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Speaker 2: this season. He's asked for fifty because he'll be a

542
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: restricted free agent at very least you have to pick

543
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: up the contract. Yeah, and you probably put a first

544
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: round tender on him, right, and that still doesn't stop

545
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: in somebody else from signing him.

546
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Speaker 3: Because if I'm picking thirty second, I need a quarterback,

547
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: I'll give you a first round pick for party, you know,

548
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: or somebody like that, right, I mean.

549
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: It's it's established or I know what he is.

550
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: I know what he is. And the Niners, more than anything,

551
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: the league get, like you know, coaches pillaged from them.

552
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a thousand coach in the league. Like

553
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: I walked, I work with Brock, I'll work with him

554
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: again for you know, I'll give you a fifth fourth

555
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: or whatever.

556
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, a year, steal them away from the

557
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: division rival. Yeah, and then they're on their own.

558
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I mean, this is what you're

559
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: hoping for in a way, but the golf to a

560
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: party level ones are tough. I mean it's easy at

561
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 3: pay borrow and Herbert and let alone my homes.

562
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: But that's a no brain.

563
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's coming someday for the Steelers, or the

564
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: ability to go get one of those.

565
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: That's a but that's a good problem.

566
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: That's a good problem.

567
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I wish Kenny Pickett was the best quarterback in

569
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: the league for the Steelers right now. And so today

570
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: the day they took them, you know, and they're having

571
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: this contract in you know conversation, they can extend picket

572
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Speaker 3: for fifty years.

573
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah right. You know what the quarterback situation has done

574
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: this year has allowed the Steelers. They bought a free year,

575
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: they really did.

576
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a free year of quarterback. Yeah,

577
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: you know, like we can scrap both these guys and

578
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: trade up the first overall, or you know, do whatever

579
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: we want, you know, I mean, or bring them both back,

580
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: bring neither back, bring one back. You know, but we

581
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: have a whole year to assesssion. Yeah, two pretty exciting

582
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: players and see if we want them to not in.

583
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: The meantime, we've also been able to supplement the roster

584
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: they build. Anne, you go out, you build an O line. Yeah,

585
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: you were able to go sign a Patrick Queen.

586
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: You know they're not losing people you didn't want, right,

587
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, they've really they've done really good jobs of

588
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: their contracts too, that it's been a couple of years

589
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: in a row where it's not like, oh man, you've

590
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: rough up Hargrave. Boy, Hardgrave's up.

591
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: You know that was the key, that was the situation.

592
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: Then you know they would keep him. Now you've got

593
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: a Ben roethlis Ben Roethlisberger's under contract, you're paying Cam Heyward,

594
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Speaker 2: you're paying stuff on to it, big money. Yeah, at

595
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: that point you couldn't afford Javon Hargrave. Yeah, he's a

596
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: nose tackle.

597
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean hypothetically, if Benton was a year or two older,

598
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: they would probably extend him now where.

599
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to then that wasn't it wasn't Yeah, right,

600
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: It's not that they didn't like Jevon Hargrave.

601
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Speaker 3: He's the one that always comes. I always think about

602
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: of if they could have had it, if they could

603
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: keep everyone they truly wanted to keep, if it had

604
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: been top of.

605
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Speaker 2: That, they had known what was going to happen with

606
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: Steph on to it too, they would have kept.

607
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: They would have kept him right, right, and how would you?

608
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: And there was no reason to move on from to it? No,

609
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: right right?

610
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: The year the year he played, that that year before

611
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: he stopped playing maybe his best season.

612
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. Yeah, he was a foundational player.

613
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: I think he was one of like five players in

614
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: the league who got the double digits in sacks. Are

615
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: that was the year holding was legal?

616
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was a three hundred

617
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: pound or two, you know. And you had to love

618
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: the succession plan of he's just old enough behind Cam,

619
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: you know, I mean like that.

620
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: Was like he would just be getting really he would

621
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: just be getting to thirty now, right, Like he'd still

622
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: be in his prime.

623
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: Still be his prime, right, and maybe a den draft

624
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: one next year, who's the same gap. Yeah, you're to

625
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: stay super strong.

626
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that that kind of it's kind of

627
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: the Shazier thing all over again. So except they've been

628
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: able to find a guy there inventing yep.

629
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: And again it's all luck and circumstance and we all know,

630
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: I mean he had things that happened off the field

631
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: that you know, you know, messed with step on to

632
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: it obviously. But if all those things would happen to

633
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: you earlier to point, hard Graves probably still steeler. Yeah,

634
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: you know, just bad.

635
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: Luck, bad luck. Yeah, uh, making of bad luck. Cole

636
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: holkom mmm. Mike Tomlin was asked about him today. He said, look,

637
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: he's uh, I've heard very little about him.

638
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: Off.

639
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: He's out there, he's out here working hard. He was

640
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: actually he didn't take part in the practice, but he's

641
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: working off on his own.

642
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so he's not just standing around doing nothing.

643
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: And Tomlin said, he feels like he's uh making some

644
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: progress here, and you get the vibe him.

645
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: I can hold you to it. But do you think

646
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: he's wearing a helmet and pads and latrobe? I think

647
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean trending that way, Yeah, I think

648
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: so great. I mean that could be a real position

649
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: strength imagine that.

650
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: Imagine if they get him back, because they don't have to,

651
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: they don't have to move on from him.

652
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: No, not at all. I mean you could field offers

653
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: for him if you wanted. I mean, but you could

654
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: also devise some schemes with three of those guys out

655
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: there at a time, you know.

656
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean they all run well enough. Or Roberts in

657
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: the middle, how fast the middle of the defense, right,

658
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: I mean.

659
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of options there, and you have

660
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: to think, you know, knock on wood that the end

661
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: of lack year is almost impossible to happen, now, you know, yeah,

662
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: because he go guys, he.

663
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: Got five that have experienced well you four Wilson that yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

664
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Speaker 2: I would say Wilson was one of the four.

665
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: Like that wasn't counting on Robinson. But I mean he

666
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: played for you last year, right, you spend this year

667
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: three and.

668
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: This year this is year three, moving into year three,

669
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: he was he was a year away when they drafted

670
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: because he had been a running back in college. You

671
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: only played linebacker for a season. Well, now he's three

672
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: years into this linebacker thing. We know he's not afraid

673
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: to go hit people. No, he shows up, sure, you know.

674
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: Now it's just learning the other nuances of the game.

675
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: If he if he turns into a land In Roberts,

676
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: you're happy.

677
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: That'd be a home run.

678
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the seventh round draft pick.

679
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: Then yeah, people get that, like.

680
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a bust. What are you talking about?

681
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: There are those things seventh round bus. I mean, Spencer

682
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: Anderson is not a bus.

683
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Basically, anybody taken after Day two can't be a bust

684
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: in my book.

685
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: You know, Like I've heard people complain that in the

686
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Picket Draft they just threw away that seventh round pick.

687
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: The chances of getting something out of that guy, no

688
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: matter what position it was, is slim. And it's hard

689
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: to develop talent at this point. And Okay, they didn't

690
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: get anything out of the quarter the second quarterback they drafted.

691
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: But seventh rounds, right, it's not that big a deal.

692
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: No, it's not. And again I keep going back to

693
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: they had signed mitchter Bisky and free agency, they then

694
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: drafted Kenny Pickett. If I'm the agent of a young quarterback,

695
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then Steelers call me up. I'm like,

696
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: I got three other offers that I actually have a

697
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: chance to make that team.

698
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: I should know this. But it's his name, philom the

699
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: dude they signed under the UDFA they signed this.

700
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Year, Plum.

701
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, there's no way he would sign

702
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: with the team that year. No, I mean, this is

703
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: the worst I'd rather sign with the Chiefs. Right, I'm

704
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: not going to beat out Mahomes, but at least I'll

705
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: get some reps and get in preseason.

706
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you can learn from Mahomes a little bit and

707
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: it'll help me down the road.

708
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: Right, Like you can't even get in preseason games because

709
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: they want Trubisky and root Off and pick it all

710
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: to get every rep they can. Yeah, and we watched

711
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: them in camp and even like throw a football hard.

712
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: It was a new offense, a new.

713
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Offense too, right, like best of luck.

714
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you luck with that.

715
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: So we drafted you and trapped you. You know, you're

716
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: stuck with us, you know.

717
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: You know, and if if you know, they I think

718
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: their hope was that they could get him onto the

719
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Speaker 2: practice squad.

720
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Speaker 3: You know, seventh time picked and probably won't league much longer.

721
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: Different than Darius Rush not winding up as a Steeler.

722
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: Good point, Yeah, you know that that kind of stuff happens.

723
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just constant fluid at the bottom of the

724
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: roster and.

725
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: For but if they can get a hold of them

726
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: back healthy, way, this defense could be scary. Yeah.

727
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: Front seven looks real good. I like the Elliott edition.

728
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Get you've got, You've got you know, speed depth.

729
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: Especially considering what they're playing with the linebacker and saying,

730
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: my goodness, I mean just anybody, any warm body they

731
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: could find, you know, that be really hard to get

732
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: to that point, deaf con three or whatever. You know.

733
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, you know when he got hurt last year,

734
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: he was really starting to come into it, like yeah, start,

735
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: you could see he was starting to understand the defense.

736
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: Better, yes, and playing fast, and.

737
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: You know, I really think that he got hurt was

738
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: a look at it. He's I mean he's playing fat,

739
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: he's hustling down the field and you know, friendly fire.

740
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: And we talked about this a ton, you know, that

741
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: free agency period when he got signed. But it's a

742
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: lot long time ago. Like people don't realize if you

743
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: pull up his combine numbers, he's very very athletic, and

744
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: there's a misconception that he's not. That he's a smart guy.

745
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: That isn't you know, super speedy and all that. No,

746
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: he flies around the field very actually, Peyton Wilson like, yeah,

747
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: in terms of what they're physically, how they're built, how

748
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: they move, all that type of thing.

749
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Speaker 2: Make every tackle. I mean it was two years ago.

750
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: I guess whenever he was new and we were broadcasting

751
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: from mini camp his first year, that one year ago,

752
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: two years ago, last year, yeah, this last year at

753
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: this time, I remember he was sitting at him and

754
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: sat down and he the words out of his mouth

755
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: after one of us asked him, was, oh, I've been

756
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: on play action all the time. When I was you know,

757
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: like you guys right, I just got manipulated all over

758
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: the field. I was. I was a puppet to the

759
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: Shanahans of the world. Takes a while, and he was

760
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: and I think he's hitting that vortex where my athleticism,

761
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: in my mind are both that they're kind of their peak.

762
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: They're crossing, you know, and we're starting to see it

763
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: when he got hurt.

764
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's he's a good player. That was something

765
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: you know that Keith Butler used to talk about. Of course,

766
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: Keith coach linebackers, was a linebacker in the league. He said, really,

767
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: it takes about a linebacker four or five years before

768
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: they really, yeah, you know, learned. They still have the athleticism,

769
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: but now they've learned the tricks of the trade. Health

770
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are trying to an offensive coordinators trying to manipulate

771
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: them and then they become their best their best self.

772
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: So that's what they're getting out of Patrick Queen. Yes,

773
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: that's what That's where Cole Holcombe was at in his

774
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: career exactly.

775
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: They're about that same age where the athleticism's there and

776
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: people overdraft athleticism. You know, uh, Devin Bush, but especially

777
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Devin White. I mean Devin White flies around the field,

778
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: but never really showed that ability, you know, to process

779
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: and do all those things. And maybe they will at

780
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: this stage of their career or just get washed away,

781
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: you know. So investing in first round linebackers has proven

782
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: to be rough, you know, because they live on athletic

783
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: You're not going to draft on without great traits and

784
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: who has great traits and a great mind? As a

785
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: twenty one year old enter in the league against Shannana

786
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: McVay and all those dudes, good luck.

787
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were just you were drafted in the first

788
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: round basically off of your athleticism. Yeah.

789
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: It used to be the smartest move was grabbing tight

790
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: ends after their first contract. Yeah, and now I think

791
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: linebackers are that position where let someone else groom them

792
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: and you know, do all the hard stuff and we'll

793
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: take Queen now, Yeah, not that queen wasn't this player

794
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: three years ago.

795
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of having Peyton Wilson as well, is

796
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: that you don't have to play him this year, right,

797
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 2: This could be a completely a red shirt season for him.

798
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: They could find ways to use him. But even if

799
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: they don't, you don't have to. You don't have to,

800
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: and then next year maybe he's he's a much better

801
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: player than he would be if you just threw him

802
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: in there.

803
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: Now, very possible and I should know this, but I

804
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: don't know Hulkam and Roberts contract status. Are they up

805
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: after this year?

806
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: I think Holme Holcome signed for another year. I think

807
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Roberts is up.

808
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so that would add up too. It would be

809
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: a spot right. So no, it's a great situation. That's

810
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: good news.

811
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: But hold absolutely, let's get to another break. He is

812
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

813
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with

814
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

816
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

817
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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

818
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lollie, he is

819
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Speaker 2: he Matt Williamson and Matt changing gears up a little

820
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: bit here, talk a little league stuff here. Yeah, and uh,

821
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: Jeff Chediah on the NFL dot Com put together a

822
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: list of the seven teams he thinks could knock off

823
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs this year to win the Super Bowl. See

824
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: how much you agree with that if it's seven or

825
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: if there are other teams in there. Yeah, I think

826
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Speaker 2: I didn't notice that this morning. So okay, number one

827
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: on there he is the forty nine Ers. Yeah, no surprise,

828
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: no surprise. I mean even like.

829
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Speaker 3: A lot of a lot has talked, especially around here.

830
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: Why I mean they're drafting peersaal they're going to trade

831
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: debo or ayuk. I know they're trying to win everything

832
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: they possibly can. Back to our earlier discussion with them

833
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: one million dollar quarterback while they can. And one of

834
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: the not one of the big things they had a

835
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: problem in the Super Bowl was Deebo's not great beating

836
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: man coverage. Well, Pearcel's a really good man coverage beater.

837
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like, what can we do to get over

838
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: the hump?

839
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Is it? It is interesting though, the peer you say

840
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: peer saw is the man coverage beater. Ayuk is now currently.

841
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: The question right when they when they play a lot

842
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: of man teams, I start fantasy. Yeah, I mean, and

843
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: he does it all. But I mean he's their best

844
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: man guy by far.

845
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: Uh the second team one here the Baltimore Ravens. Can

846
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: the Ravens win it this year?

847
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of our listeners who are

848
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: lightly biased Lamar will never win in the playoffs. That

849
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: guy's you know, overrated. He's a regular season dude. I

850
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: don't believe that. I don't either, you know, but I

851
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: think they took a step backward.

852
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: I do question their offensive line right now. Yeah, I

853
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: think they have plenty of I think it's a big,

854
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: big question. You know. They they lose Patrick Queen. They're

855
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: going to replace him with Trenton Simpson, who was but

856
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 2: he was a third round draft pick last year.

857
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: Promising young guy, but a.

858
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: Fly around the field guy. Maybe he works out, Maybe

859
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: he does. I don't know, right right right, you know,

860
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: we're not there to see him practice every day to

861
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: see what he's done.

862
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they lost the coordinator too, and Weaver, who

863
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: they would have liked.

864
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: I think to bump up he went.

865
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Speaker 3: He went to become Baltimore's court or the Dolphins coordinator.

866
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: There's a lot of change, and they have a couple

867
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: of things going for him in that. I noticed this

868
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: from the This is a Warren Sharp thing that they

869
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: have the most rest advantage of any team in the

870
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: history of the league.

871
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: Stanley.

872
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: But the beginning the schedule is really hard. Yeah, and

873
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: so could they win it all?

874
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? They could.

875
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably would not if if they put Vegas

876
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: odds in front of me, that probably wouldn't be my pick.

877
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't know that defensively, And I said

878
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: to the same thing last year and was wrong. We

879
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: were very wrong about their clash. But I don't know

880
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: if defensively they're going to be quite as good as

881
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: they were. And I have major questions about that offensive line.

882
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a big I forget who we're talking

883
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: to today. I was talking about Derrick Henry. I'm like,

884
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: I thought he'd fall off a cliff every each of

885
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: the last three years and he hasn't. But if he does,

886
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna lean on him pretty heavy.

887
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Number three on here, the Detroit Lions.

888
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: They belong they belong, Yeah, they belong to They're I

889
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: think they're a real contender. I don't think they're a

890
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: flash in the pan.

891
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: And and being in the NFC gives him a better

892
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: sure opportunity.

893
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

894
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Number four on here another AFC North team, the

895
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals.

896
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean if Borrows at his best.

897
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to me, I like Cincinnati's chances better

898
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: than Baltimore. Yeah.

899
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: You've said that a few times, and I don't have

900
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: a stance one way or another. Schedule that too. You said

901
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: you're probably going to pick the Bengals win the division. Yeah,

902
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: I see that. I mean we're really nitpicking. But if

903
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: it's the AFC Championship game, I'll take Andy Reid over

904
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: their coaching staff. But I'll take him over all the

905
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: ones we've talked about too.

906
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: Probably they've also won that game before, that's true.

907
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know there's two quarterbacks have beaten Mahomes

908
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: in the postseason as Brady, who's not gonna do it

909
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: again in Burrow. Yeah, so they've at least been down

910
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: the road.

911
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've at least been there and done that. Yes,

912
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Mike Toman likes to say, Uh, the Philadelphia Eagles Number

913
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: five on this list kind of that same NFC thing. Yeah,

914
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: but it was a rough year last year. It was

915
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: rough to trust her.

916
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: I mean I think there, I know they're going to

917
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: rebound and play better than they did those last six

918
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: games or eight games, because it was they weren't the

919
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: worst teams of elite.

920
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they would beat anybody. They were bad, bad, bad.

921
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: And I think their coordinator chains will go a long

922
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 3: way because they didn't have a lot. People figured them

923
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: outs comatic and they didn't have answer.

924
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: And they changed defensive coordinators mid season. Yeah, like and

925
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: he changed the scheme like they what do you do?

926
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff up in the air there.

927
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: My reservations aren't Are they going to be good or not?

928
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: Is if it comes down to hurts versus mahomes.

929
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: But they've also had success. I mean they hurts one

930
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: of Super Bowl hurts against Burrow. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

931
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean, can you outdoor?

932
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Auto Party and those guys

933
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: and most of the NFC dudes, but versus Allen or

934
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: Burrow or whatever, I'm going to lean the other way.

935
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaking of Allen, he has the Buffalo bills on

936
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: here next and I don't see that this year.

937
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: You would have to be the best player in the

938
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: league by far by head and sho. You would have

939
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: to have as good as Mahomes, you know.

940
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: Forty five touchdown passes, the runaway m VP. Six interceptions, Yes,

941
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: and that's just on him. The interceptions will always be

942
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: higher than that. I mean, could he be far and

943
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: away the fantasy quarterback one? Absolutely, because he'll run for Yeah.

944
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know eight or ten.

945
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: Scores that he could single handedly, you know, take them

946
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: to a lot of victories. But it's not really how

947
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: the league works.

948
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: They lost an awful lot He's not Michael Jordan, not

949
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: just on players on the field, but they this offseason

950
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: lost an awful lot of experience.

951
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: Tons Mitch Morse and both safeties and guys who don't.

952
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Think Stefon Digg. Yeah, to the devious White team. And

953
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: they has played you know much lately, and you know.

954
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: This is the second chapter, Yeah, the beginning of the

955
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: second chapter. I don't think they can win the Super Bowl.

956
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they can't either. I think they take

957
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: a little step back. I still think they can win

958
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: their division.

959
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm not sure who will pick that division.

960
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one, but you know

961
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna be tough. And the seventh team he has

962
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: on here is the Houston Texans. Can the Ess win

963
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl?

964
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: Boy, history shows when you take that biggest step forward,

965
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: you take one back.

966
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: You know, I think they can win division.

967
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I probably dominate that division. And I like their offseason

968
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: and they think they're good enough to win now. And

969
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: back to our earlier conversation, Stroud's making number two money,

970
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 3: but he's not making fifty so they can go get

971
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Digs and Daniel Hunter and guys like that, which is great.

972
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: But man, I mean, a second year head coach and

973
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: a second year quarterback win the whole thing against Mahomes

974
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: and the AFC. Even I lean towards talk to me

975
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: next year at this time. Yeah, yeah, So we've talked

976
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: about this team and I'm not predicting it, but I

977
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: would put the Jets on there because if the.

978
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: Question is can they win the Super Bowl? I mean

979
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: will they?

980
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: I don't think, But can that team be the best team.

981
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: In the league?

982
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: And I could write a scenario. I could write a

983
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: script for Broadway that everybody stays healthy.

984
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: If Tyron Smith gets hurt, you plug the first round

985
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: pick in and you can live with it. And the

986
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: defense is really good.

987
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is three years ago Aaron Rodgers and he's winning,

988
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: you know, league MVP and right now, how about that.

989
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: I also don't know that coaching staff's tremendous either. I mean,

990
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: and the guy in charge is the one taking the

991
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: snaps too. But could they win the Super Bowl? I think,

992
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I could write the story that's

993
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: not too unbelievable. I don't know anybody else.

994
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: Dallas, Yeah, it's interesting. Dallas isn't on there.

995
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if they went backwards, but they didn't

996
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: go forwards this offseason.

997
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: Miami not on there.

998
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't.

999
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they can have football.

1000
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: I think I think that can be.

1001
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: I think defensively they're lacking the Browns.

1002
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Say Browns and Steelers, but I see them not being

1003
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't need to see more from Watson

1004
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: to you throw them on that list.

1005
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the thing, here's the thing. I mean,

1006
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: you've got a quarterback now with the Steelers who's actually

1007
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: been to a couple of Super Bowls. There aren't many guys,

1008
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: not just in the league now in league history. Yeah,

1009
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: whose quarterback teams twice to Super Bowls?

1010
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: Or I mean, how many players active have more playoff

1011
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: wins than Russell Wilson.

1012
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: It's a short list.

1013
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: Homes and you know, Rogers and probably a couple more,

1014
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: maybe at most, you know, not many. That stuff matters

1015
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: doesn't have.

1016
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: That he didn't have that, he hasn't played, He hasn't

1017
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: gone into Kansas City in you know, in early February

1018
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: or late January and tried to you know, beat the

1019
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Chiefs in their building.

1020
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they beat the Browns in round one.

1021
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: It's a good start at home. At home. You have

1022
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: no question, you know, unless they unless they're the number

1023
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: one seed, at some point they get to leave the Dome. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1024
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: I was questioned Dome teams like that.

1025
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: I do too. I say, I was about to say

1026
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: the same thing, like go into New England versus Brady,

1027
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: I mean, like Manning had a hard time with it. Yeah,

1028
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: I mean they just did. I mean, you were built

1029
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: to win in the Dome with Freeny and Harrison and

1030
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: they're not Rabel and McGinnis, and you know their speed guys,

1031
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: you know, and they slow down in the Snow, you know,

1032
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 3: anyone else I can't see the Rams.

1033
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so it's probably too early for

1034
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: Green Bay.

1035
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 3: Dallas might be on that list.

1036
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: Dallas, I could. I could again write a script where

1037
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: they get it.

1038
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could run away with the division, get the

1039
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: number one seed. I don't think anybody else in either

1040
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: South except for the Texans. I don't think Miami, the

1041
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: AFC West outside of can't the city is not.

1042
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So that's about us. A short eleven team list.

1043
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: I'd probably pull the Bills off and put the Jets on, Okay,

1044
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: I mean just of who can do it. Yeah, I

1045
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: don't think the Bills can.

1046
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could write it. I think I could write

1047
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: an easier scenario where Cleveland or Pittsburgh drinds it out

1048
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, because you and you know, Nick Chubb comes

1049
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: back at mid season and he's and things like that.

1050
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: Looks good and looks good. And yeah, because their style

1051
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: will play.

1052
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they playing there. Their style of play is set

1053
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: up for playoff football. Yeah.

1054
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if they have O lines and D lines,

1055
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: they could beat anybody you know on the right day,

1056
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, Yeah, I could see that. I mean,

1057
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: maybe there's another team along those lines.

1058
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: And they both have defenses.

1059
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: That's the other That's kind of why I like Detroit

1060
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: because even though they're the dome team, they might have

1061
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: the best O line in the league now and now.

1062
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: They have Reader and they'll play physically there.

1063
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: You know, they play hard even though they're a dome team.

1064
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: You know, I think they'll travel well.

1065
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, although they weird thing is I think they play

1066
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: the first eleven games in domes this year and fifteen

1067
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: of their seven eventeen games when domes.

1068
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: Yea, like they go to Green Bay and Chicago and

1069
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: it's like it yeah right.

1070
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's going to do it for our number one

1071
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: one of the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt

1072
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: and I will be back with our number two right

1073
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: after this