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Speaker 1: I love sharing my drugs too. I love giving them away.

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Speaker 1: My whole tour is basically about me traveling around the

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Speaker 2: That's so great. You're the pied piper of microdosing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to think of myself as a Shirpa's unexpected,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming from me, But That's where I'm at

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Speaker 1: in my life.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to SNAFU, the show about history's greatest screw ups,

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Speaker 2: or shall we say the real eye opening disasters that

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Speaker 2: kind of show us who we really are. I am

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Speaker 2: your host ed helms and my guest today, and I

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Speaker 2: honestly don't know any other way to say this. She's

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Speaker 2: just a fucking badass.

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Speaker 3: She's a hilarious stand up actor, writer, TV host, podcaster, producer,

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Speaker 3: and just general force of nature. She's written seven number

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Speaker 3: one New York Times Best which is like, honestly obscene,

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Speaker 3: Like how do they even allow you.

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Speaker 3: Her latest book is I'll Have What She's Having, which

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Speaker 3: is yet another expression of her raw, honesty, power and

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Speaker 3: zero tolerance for bullshit. She hosts the incredibly popular advice

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Speaker 3: podcast Dear Chelsea, and her latest Netflix special was Chelsea Handler,

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Speaker 3: The feeling she's one of the funniest people on the planet,

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Speaker 3: and you probably know who I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Chelsea Handler.

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Speaker 4: Hi, good afternoon, good evening.

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Speaker 3: Yes to all of our listeners. Whatever time of day

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Speaker 3: you are downloading this. What's happening?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm well, thank you, ed. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty splendid, I have to say.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the world is burning down, but I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to stay positive. I'm in this like deep state of denial,

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Speaker 1: I too, am also trying to remain positive. But yes,

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I find myself dipping out, dipping in

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Speaker 4: That I can. Then it's a vicious, vicious cycle. I

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Speaker 1: I'm much better suited to handle the issues when I'm

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Speaker 1: not reading about them all day. When so many people

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a good thing to be optimistic.

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Speaker 4: There's that.

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Speaker 3: I also feel like when you dip into things by yourself,

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Speaker 3: if you kind of engage with other people, or if

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's very comforting to know other people, especially

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Speaker 1: people in other countries, when they're as concerned. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: in Canada right now, I spend a writer here in

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Speaker 1: the winter and pee Canadians immediately and whenever I'm at

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Speaker 1: going what is going to happen? And I'm like, but

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Speaker 1: it makes me feel it's heartwarming to know so many

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question how you feel, Chelsea Handler.

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Speaker 3: I know that's part of what's amazing about you.

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Speaker 2: You crush it in so many different disciplines.

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Speaker 3: Does any particular kind of outlet come more easily to

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Speaker 1: You know, if I do the same thing over and

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Speaker 2: Is touring hard? Is it fun? Is it like? I'm

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Speaker 3: This one's pretty epic and memorable. Today we're going to

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Speaker 3: take a ride on the Hindenburg. Oh yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: It is the most phallic snafu in the repertoire. What

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Speaker 1: Oh god, The Hindenburg is a German ship that was sunk.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're used for all kinds of things that they can.

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Speaker 3: You just brought up such a cool little nugget of

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Speaker 2: Hocus, he's probably wearing.

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Speaker 1: Fucking hokahs. Honestly, it's enough with the hookahs. I can't

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Speaker 1: It was the It was one of the best shows

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Speaker 3: Yah, that's awesome. I'm so glad to hear that. That's

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Speaker 3: All right, well, let's get a little more specific about

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Speaker 3: those are both significantly lighter than air. However, only one

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Speaker 3: Germany used Zeppelins as bombers and scouting craft during World

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Speaker 3: New York Times ran an article titled, right sees no

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm not scared of any sort of height

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Speaker 4: The higher the better, is my theory.

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Speaker 2: I was researching this story and I got so into

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Speaker 2: how you get tickets to ride on the good Year blimp?

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Speaker 4: Probably seven hundred and forty seven feet okay.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, the Hindenburg and the Titanic, which well, how

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Speaker 4: We're talking Okay, great.

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Speaker 4: Who was trying to control the helium?

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Speaker 4: People were just using that at parties to get their

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Speaker 4: Oh, I like that body type you do, all right, corpulent.

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Speaker 4: But that is but that is that is very long.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing that they were able to get that

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Speaker 3: And here's it's such a cool piece of engineering. You

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Speaker 4: So the guy who's the pilot is outside?

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00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: Well, he's in that little gondola, but is he is?

445
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: Dangloss?

446
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's like a little cabin that's that's.

447
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: Hanging from under there.

448
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy is just flying free while everybody

449
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: else is okay wow.

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: And then there there were a series of bladders throughout

451
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: the airship filled with with the gas. But there were

452
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: catwalks and various ways that crew could kind of like

453
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: maneuver around inside the Zeppelin itself, which is really cool,

454
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 3: and they would get to You can also see the

455
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 3: engines the propellers off the side here, which were big

456
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: diesel engines, and the crew could actually climb out onto

457
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: those things and perform maintenance while in flight. So it

458
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: was a really cool just feat of design and engineering.

459
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: Sounds like a great place for a birthday party.

460
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah right, It's like, do you want a helium balloon

461
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 3: for your birthday party? Or do you want to ride

462
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 3: in a fucking balloon? Do you want to ride in

463
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: a giant one? Yeah, come on, let's do it. So

464
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: we're going to get to the disaster in a second.

465
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Speaker 2: But a lot of.

466
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: A lot of people forget that the Hindenburg actually made

467
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: a lot of successful flights before it actually crashed. So

468
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty six, the ship flew round trip across

469
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: the Atlantic seventeen times, including trips to both the US

470
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: and Brazil. That same year, the Hindenburg made an appearance

471
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: at the Berlin Summer Olympics. Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Garibles

472
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: thought it would be a powerful symbol of German strength

473
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: and technological superiority, which is an interesting take given how

474
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: this story ends. All this brings us to May of

475
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty seven. The Hindenburg sets off on a routine

476
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: flight from Frankfurt, Germany, to Lakehurst, New Jersey. On board,

477
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 3: we have ninety seven passengers and crew. Now you might

478
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: be wondering how much does a ticket cost. It was

479
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty dollars in nineteen thirty seven, which

480
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: in today's dollars is about ten grand.

481
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

482
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost exactly how much I'd like to pay

483
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: for a flight.

484
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: It's like a lot of first class tickets on airplanes

485
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: are in that zone. Yeah, even like those. I haven't

486
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: been on one yet, but I'm I want to. I

487
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: want to fly on one of those, like Immirates cabins.

488
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, where you.

489
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: Just get your own frickin' hotel room, bathroom.

490
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: You get a shower and bathroom, and then you get

491
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Speaker 1: a bedroom in your room.

492
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: Like, I just want to make a round trip exactly.

493
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: I don't even want to get off the day.

494
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: I want to even go to Singapore. You just want

495
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 4: to fly there and then fly back.

496
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: I love long flights me too.

497
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: I love There's nothing that gets any more excited than

498
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: a ten plus hour flight.

499
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it.

500
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: We're weird that way, I don't know, I mean it's

501
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: pretty luxurious.

502
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 3: I also think in this case on the Hindenburg, if

503
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: you're dropping ten grand on a ticket, you shouldn't have

504
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: to ask.

505
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: But will it explode?

506
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: Which that's not the intention of the flight to have

507
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: an explode, So obviously you know nobody is going to

508
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, there's a good chance this will explode.

509
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it should. You should have a reasonable expectation

510
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: that you're not going to explode.

511
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: I feel like for that ticket price or in reasonable

512
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: ext eppectation that you'll be landing when you're on a

513
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: plane and people clap when they land when nothing untoward

514
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: has happened, yes, and you're like this is an unnecessary

515
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: reaction to what was supposed to be in this.

516
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: Right, So you're not you don't support clapping for a

517
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: pilot for a successful landing.

518
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: Not unless you're landing on the Hudson like Sully. Its

519
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: all interesting, and then then that deserves a.

520
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: Round of a flow.

521
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, before we get off the plane, I

522
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: just want to get get in a round of applause

523
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: for Sully. Thanks.

524
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

525
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: Well we're standing on the wing that's floating in the

526
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: Hudson River.

527
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: I still think any any airplane landing is like kind

528
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: of a miracle.

529
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: It's like I'm I'm for, I'm all for, like.

530
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: You're for the clapping, Yeah, for the clapping.

531
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: So May sixth, nineteen thirty seven, the Hindenburg arrives in

532
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: lake Hurst Naval Air Station and the weather is garbage.

533
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: There's thunderstorms. Delays the Hindenburg circles for a while. This

534
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: is it's nothing unheard of, but the vibes are definitely off.

535
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: So finally at seven twenty five PM the ship comes

536
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: in to dock. It's an interesting process. In this instance,

537
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: they were going to drop ropes from the Zeppelin that

538
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: would then be attached to winches and they kind of

539
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: pull it down to the ground gently. It also has

540
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: ballast tanks inside of it full of water which it

541
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: can drop to change its sort of buoyancy in the sky.

542
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: It's very cool technology. Anyway, it's coming in for the landing,

543
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: it drops the winch cables and then something just goes

544
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: horribly wrong and.

545
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: It's like the sky itself explodes.

546
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 3: In just thirty four seconds, the largest airship ever built

547
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: turns into a catastrophic inferno as it's still in the

548
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: sky and it collapses down onto the airfield in a massive,

549
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: massive explosion. It is truly an incredible thing to watch.

550
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: You can google the newsreel footage. It is wild. We

551
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: can look at a photo here. Oh yeah, you.

552
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: Know what that reminds me of the Challenger Space shuttle

553
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: watching that implode.

554
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: Ye yes, yes, wow.

555
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 3: So in this picture it looks like it's crashing into

556
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: a tower that's actually just in the foreground. The Zeppelin

557
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: is way in the background of this photo. It's just

558
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: simply exploding. This, I believe, is the same photo that

559
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: Led Zeppelin used on their first album cover, which is

560
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: yeah really yeah, And apparently the Zeppelin family estate was

561
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 3: outraged by this and tried to sue led Zeppelin or something.

562
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is the beginning of the explosion. It

563
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: then sort of drops and hits the ground and the

564
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: whole thing is enveloped in flames. There are a lot

565
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: of harrowing first hand accounts of what went down. One

566
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: passenger was thrown out a window by his mother and survived.

567
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: A cabin boy was miraculously saved by a ruptured water

568
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: tank which ended up tipping over and drenching him so

569
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: that he could then kick open a hatch and escape

570
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: without burning.

571
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: And did he survive.

572
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: He did.

573
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: There's a really famous radio recording of Herb Morrison was

574
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: recording a broadcast during this. It became one of the

575
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: most iconic disaster broadcasts of all time. It's where we

576
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: get the phrase, oh the humanity. This is what he

577
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: shouts in real time as he's watching the Hindenburg crash.

578
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: It's a really wild recording. I suggest googling it because

579
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: it's just such a fascinating little nugget of history. But

580
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: he's he's sort of narrating in a very calm like, oh,

581
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: here we are in Lakehurst, New Jersey, with the famous

582
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: Hindenburg dirigible.

583
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: Coming in Verlin.

584
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm making this up. But then all of

585
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: a sudden he's like, oh no, oh.

586
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: The fire starting. What is this? This is the worst

587
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: catastrophe in humanity?

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: And then he says, oh, the humanity, And that's like

589
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: something people say to this day.

590
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

591
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting that that's how it was coined, oh, the humanity,

592
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: because it's oh, it's almost the opposite of humanity.

593
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: What he thought he was witnessing was total loss. He

594
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: thought everyone on board the Hindenburg was just scorched. He

595
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: was so mortified that he thought he was just witnessing

596
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: a mass death. As we will learn, there were a

597
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: lot of survivors, which is incredible if when you watch

598
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: the footage, it's totally incredible.

599
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I would credit that with it not being a plane

600
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: in the sky. Don't you think the proximity to the

601
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: ground is a major factor.

602
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: You could actually jump out.

603
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And it's a much more gentle process.

604
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: The landing of Zeppelin is like just sort of like

605
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: a balloon fall coming down, and so it's it's inherently

606
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: more like there's no there's no high speed. All the

607
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: things that make air travel so much more inherently dangerous.

608
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Now disaster happens and there's no there's no decency, a

609
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: moment of decency where anybody can hold back their comments

610
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: or actually mourn for the loss of a life. Yeah,

611
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: it's just an attack. So yes, God, I never thought

612
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I would want to be around during the Hindenburg, but

613
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: now you're making me melancholy and nostalgic.

614
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: Well that's what we do here at SNAFU.

615
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even know exactly what the Hindenburg was when

616
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: we started this podcast.

617
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: So look how far I've already come.

618
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: I know.

619
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Speaker 2: This is the fun. You get to come on and

620
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: learn something, maybe have a few chuckles.

621
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I might tug at your heartstrings a little bit,

622
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: who knows.

623
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: Here's the wild part.

624
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: Despite the scale of this disaster, which was huge, out

625
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: of the ninety seven people on board the Hindenburg, only

626
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: thirty five were killed. That's thirteen passengers and twenty two

627
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: crew members. Now there was also one of the groundworkers

628
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: also perished, which brings the total to thirty six. Now,

629
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: this is obviously still very tragic, but honestly it's astonishing

630
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: given that photo we just looked at, right.

631
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty incredible that many people survived.

632
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: Wow, I would never have guessed that.

633
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's totally incredible. So what actually happened? Why did

634
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: it explode? The investigations that followed were murky. The US

635
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: and Germany both had strong incentives not to take the blame.

636
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: Germany pushed sabotage theories, quietly pointing to crew members. Others

637
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: float to the idea that Hitler himself might have ordered

638
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: it as a way to punish Hugo Eckner for being

639
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: openly anti Nazi. Most historians today agree there's no solid

640
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: evidence for sabotage. No single cause was ever proven beyond doubt.

641
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: The leading theory is that a static charge from the

642
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: storm ignited and a hydrogen leak somewhere in the zeppelin itself.

643
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Well, what was their reasoning for using the hydrogen rather

644
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: than the helium? Because they didn't have access to the helium.

645
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we wouldn't give them any heliums.

646
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, So it wasn't a secret that they used

647
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: the hydrogen.

648
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they definitely chose to use the high hydrogen.

649
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: And they you know, they thought they had enough safety

650
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: protocols in place, and to their credit. They had a

651
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: lot of successful transatlantic flights with this thing, right, Okay,

652
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: so they just thought they could manage the risk, and

653
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: it turns out they couldn't. Really if you do some

654
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: real deep dives on it. There are some really interesting

655
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: theories on what might have caused the spark. All it

656
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 3: would take is a spark. The prevailing theory is that

657
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: it was a static charge from the storm. So in

658
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties a former NASA scientists argued that it

659
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: may not have been the hydrogen at all, but in

660
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: fact the flammable outer coating. That idea has some merit,

661
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: but most scientists are skeptical of that. However it started.

662
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: The result was that the Hindenberg permanently killed the dream

663
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: of airship travel, and not because it was the first

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Speaker 3: zeppelin to burn. The lots had gone up in flames before.

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Speaker 3: This one was just too big and too hyped and

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Speaker 3: too public. It was like such a massive thing all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the public is like, we ain't getting

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Speaker 3: on those things anymore.

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Speaker 4: Tell me this if you have the answer to this.

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Speaker 1: Ed So, in terms of flight and air travel, this

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Speaker 1: was happening while planes were also starting to be built

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Speaker 1: or regular planes like you know what we know as jets.

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Speaker 4: Or it was this the prelude to air travel.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of parallel development going on because.

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Speaker 1: That would have been a totally different way to travel

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Speaker 1: than what we're doing. I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: long it would have lasted before, you know, there was

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Speaker 1: another incident or but I mean it's an airship we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and we're talking about a blimp, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like a whole different kind of air philosophy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and I still kind of hope that

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Speaker 3: it comes back. I mean, there are some companies that

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Speaker 3: are trying to develop modern airships. They do have certain advantages.

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Speaker 3: They are extremely efficient. They can be very effective in

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Speaker 3: disaster recovery because they can deliver things very gently to

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Speaker 3: you know, horrible disaster areas or remote areas. I personally

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Speaker 3: hope that it starts to become passenger travel again because

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm just so fucking psyched to ride blimp.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you are very passionate about it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not disagreeing with you. It kind of sounds like,

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Speaker 1: I just why worry about the alacrity with which you

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Speaker 1: can get there?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, ye would you?

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Speaker 1: Why would you opt for that when you can get

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Speaker 1: somewhere in half the time.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the slowness is the point, right, Like that's

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Speaker 3: we were just talking about how how long we love

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Speaker 3: long flights to me, like, I don't know, two or

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Speaker 3: three days to get to Hawaii or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'll take it. I'll just chill out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be an interesting survey to see how

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Speaker 1: many people would be willing to forego. People want to

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Speaker 1: go to Hawaii, right, they want to go for seven days.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to go for three days.

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Speaker 1: If it takes you three days there and three days back,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you just use it on the outbound and

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Speaker 1: then you take a regular plane on the way home.

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Speaker 4: It's very retro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so that's that is a essentially the

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Speaker 3: Hindenburg story. It's an Icarus story. We flew too close

711
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Speaker 3: to the sun and we just we crashed and burned.

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Speaker 3: Are there any modern comparisons? I weirdly think that AI

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Speaker 3: is like our modern Hindenburg. Right, It's like this awe

714
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Speaker 3: inspiring marvel. It's wildly hyped, it's insanely powerful. But maybe

715
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Speaker 3: it's rolling out a little faster than anyone understands, and

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Speaker 3: everyone's everyone insisting that it's safe while it's quietly cutting corners.

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Speaker 4: I think the.

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Speaker 1: General consensus around AI is that we know it's not safe,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a lot of upside

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of downside, and no one has

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Speaker 1: really you know, obviously, without any regulation, it's just going

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Speaker 1: to be a shit show. But I would also say

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Speaker 1: traveling to space is probably similar to this, Like all

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Speaker 1: these flight travels that everyone wants to take to go

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Speaker 1: to the moon, And I mean, I don't have any

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Speaker 1: desire to go to the moon. Do you have a

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Speaker 1: desire to land on the moon?

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it turns out that like big, comfortable, like

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Speaker 3: space cruise ships are a thing in my lifetime, then

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Speaker 3: like that could be cool. I would love to be

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Speaker 3: in zero gravity. That seems like like a ton of fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I like adventure. I like to bounce around.

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Speaker 1: I just went to Antarctica, so that that was a

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Speaker 1: really fun adventure.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. Did you get on a ship or.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, on a vessel.

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Speaker 1: We crossed the Drake's Passage, which was another example of

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Speaker 1: getting taking three days to get somewhere. Yeah, it's about

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Speaker 1: three days to get you have to pass sixty degrees

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Speaker 1: latitude to get into Antarctica, and then so you're there

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Speaker 1: for like two and a half three days, and then

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Speaker 1: it's three days travel back and forth. And all I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do was be in Antarctica, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 4: I was like, is there another way to return?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't really need to be on that ship

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Speaker 1: crossing Drake's Passage for another three days.

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Speaker 3: Which is Drake's Passage is notorious supposed to be like

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Speaker 3: a super rough crossing.

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Speaker 4: Was it? Yeah? Turbulent for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean people and you're walking around the boat and

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Speaker 1: you're everyone's falling all over the place holding on to

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Speaker 1: the railings. You know, it's it's kind of a hot

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Speaker 1: mess situation. And so anybody who has a weak stomach

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Speaker 1: or gets seasick should.

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Speaker 4: Not be taking that trip.

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Speaker 2: Did you get sick?

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Speaker 4: I did not? Well, no, not from the seasick mass.

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Speaker 2: Oh god.

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Speaker 3: So there's another kind of trip that I feel like

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Speaker 3: you're an expert in that I just am not. And

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Speaker 3: I want to know more about Will you sell me

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Speaker 3: on microdosing hallucinogens.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's you know what, the best

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Speaker 1: way to describe it is, We just took some LSD

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Speaker 1: me and my friends when we went to these ice

768
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Speaker 1: caves in Pemberton, and I would say the best way

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Speaker 1: to describe it is it puts an exclamation point on

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Speaker 1: whatever experience you're having. So if you're outside, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're in some sort of cool nature environment. We were

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Speaker 1: in a glacier, in a cave underneath a glacier, so

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Speaker 1: that was pretty cool, and it just kind of makes

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Speaker 1: you really sit and appreciate whatever experience you're having.

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Speaker 4: It adds a little giggle too to the situation, which

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Speaker 4: is always welcome for me.

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Speaker 1: I like to laugh and like to not be, you know,

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Speaker 1: taking myself too seriously. But it's just an accentuation of

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Speaker 1: life and it kind of makes you have a little

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Speaker 1: bit extra gratitude, which is one of the aspects that

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Speaker 1: I don't think people.

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Speaker 4: Talk about enough.

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Speaker 1: It makes you really grateful to be exposed to the

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Speaker 1: things that we're exposed to. Even if I go skiing

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Speaker 1: for an afternoon with my girlfriends up here, you know,

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Speaker 1: and if I take a microdose, it's like I spend

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Speaker 1: more time looking at the trees, looking at the view

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Speaker 1: looking at all the beauty that's surrounding me rather than

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Speaker 1: just you know, kind of being in your head. You

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Speaker 1: kind of it gives you a release. So I feel

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Speaker 1: like the whole world needs a microdose.

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Speaker 2: I am very interested in this.

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Speaker 3: Now. Would you also advocate the occasional macro dose?

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Speaker 4: I would?

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 1: It really depends on your personality and how much you

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Speaker 1: can handle. But those years of me and the macro

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Speaker 1: dosing that was like years and years ago. Now I

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Speaker 1: like just a little punch, like like I like a

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Speaker 1: little an.

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Speaker 4: MDMA they do.

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Speaker 1: Everything's a microdose now, so you don't have to be

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Speaker 1: scared to do it, you know. And also I would

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Speaker 1: like to say, you know, not everybody gets along so

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Speaker 1: well with drugs.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: We have a good working relationship, so I know what

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Speaker 1: my limits are. I've done lots and lots of testing,

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Speaker 1: so I know exactly what's going to work for me

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Speaker 1: and what isn't. And in Canada they have the cleanest drugs,

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Speaker 1: so that's so yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a big advocate of that.

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Speaker 1: I think it helps a lot of people and helps people,

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Speaker 1: you know, in more serious ways, and it's helping me

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Speaker 1: and I love sharing my drugs too.

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Speaker 4: I love giving them away.

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Speaker 1: My whole tour is basically about me traveling around the

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Speaker 1: world handing out LSD to strangers.

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Speaker 2: That's so great. You're just you're like the little I'm

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Speaker 2: the healer, You're the pied piper of my career.

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Speaker 4: I like to think of myself as a sherpa.

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Speaker 1: I do not expect it, you know, coming from me,

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Speaker 1: but that's where I'm at in my life.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, you're so transparent in everything that you think,

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Speaker 3: feel and believe, and I I think in many ways

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Speaker 3: you are like an aspirational figure for a lot of

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Speaker 3: people because of how just how much you just how

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Speaker 3: in touch you are with yourself, which I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of people are.

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Speaker 2: But then you are also.

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Speaker 3: Just an open book and like you don't hold back

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Speaker 3: when it's when you've got something like difficult to say,

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Speaker 3: and you also don't hold back when you have like

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Speaker 3: these sort of joyful, fun expressions and it's it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Ed, I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: So this tour coming up very exciting news. I'm hoping

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Speaker 3: to catch you on the road.

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Speaker 1: I'm currently on the high and mighty tour you guys,

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Speaker 1: so you can get your tickets at Chelseahandler dot com.

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Speaker 1: I will be coming to a city near you.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Well, thanks for being on SNAFU. Is super fun

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Speaker 2: to have you.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for my learning lesson today. I mean, now

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go.

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Speaker 4: This was such a nice way for me to start

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Speaker 4: my day.

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Speaker 1: I'm much more well informed about the Hindenburg than I

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Speaker 1: was when I started this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm more informed about microdosing, so exactly, it's

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Speaker 3: a trader. You have it all right, Thanks Chelsea.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks take care.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm