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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pasovic.

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Speaker 4: Christ is King.

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Speaker 5: The Carlos Brown, the man charged in the death of

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Speaker 5: and competent to stan schrial. Now, according to court records,

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Speaker 5: his defense attorney is asking to delay a key hearing

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Speaker 4: The US and Iran plan to hold talks this weekend

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Speaker 4: in Islam a bad vice President Vans leading those as

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Speaker 4: President Trump says, US forces will remain in the region

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Speaker 4: until a lasting peace agreement is made. He wrote this quote,

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Speaker 4: all US shifts aircraft and military personnel with additional ammunition, weaponry,

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Speaker 4: and anything else that is appropriate and necessary for the

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Speaker 4: lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantial degraded enemy

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Speaker 4: will remain in place and around Iran until such time

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Speaker 4: as the real agreement reached is fully complied, with Irani

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Speaker 4: and state media saying oil tankers have now been halted

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Speaker 6: Iran closing the straight, blocking oil tankers from going through.

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Speaker 6: As Israel unleased a sprawling attack on Lebanon, President Trump

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Speaker 6: saying Lebanon is not included in this ceasefire deal, calling

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Speaker 7: Dozens of consecutive strikes on Lebanon by Israel have rocked

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Speaker 7: in the strikes on Wednesday, according to Lebanon's health ministry,

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Speaker 8: Why is there not a rally around the flag event

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Speaker 8: for Donald Trump? In fact, you look at these numbers,

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Speaker 8: they're absolutely bonkers. There's been the opposite of a rally

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Speaker 8: around the flag event. Look at this approval change due

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Speaker 8: Carter saw his netaproof rating jump up by thirty two points.

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Speaker 8: There was a massive, massive rally around the flag event.

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Speaker 8: But look at this Trump's nataprool rating, it's actually down

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Speaker 8: it's actually down one two, three, four points four points

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Speaker 3: And indeed, you can look at.

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Speaker 8: Wars during the last thirty five years in the Middle

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Speaker 1: Ladies and John and welcome to board today's edition of

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Speaker 1: Human Events Daily. We're here live on Real America's Voice.

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Speaker 1: Today is April ninth, twenty twenty six. Anno domine folks.

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Speaker 1: The Grand Deal, and that's what I want to lay

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Speaker 1: out a little bit here today. People talking what's going

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Speaker 9: Is the ceasefire happening?

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Speaker 1: Is it really going on as President Trump planning to

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Speaker 1: go back to war with Iran? Are we going to

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Speaker 1: see the strikes continue or we're gonna see boots on

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Speaker 1: here is getting the pieces in place for the Grand Deal.

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Speaker 1: And I've been talking about the Grand Deal for a

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Speaker 1: tell me that Trump wasn't working on a deal, that

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Speaker 9: Ground invasion of Iran.

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Speaker 1: They said, we need American troops, we need American muscle,

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Speaker 9: President Trump said, We're gonna do what we can.

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Speaker 1: We did it from the air, and then he got

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Speaker 9: Not going to need it.

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Speaker 1: And those people are now very very upset, and they're

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Speaker 1: very very much in their feelings, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 9: I tried very hard to be, but I'm just not.

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Speaker 9: I'm really just not because.

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Speaker 1: I've always told you that this is the negotiator in

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Speaker 1: chief right here. He's building the greatest deal that America

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Speaker 1: Events Daily was the first place that you heard the

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Speaker 1: Vice President would be involved in these talks, He's going

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Speaker 9: The Board of Peace? And he said yes.

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Speaker 1: And he said, because you need Russia and China together,

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Speaker 9: These are the other two big dogs in the world.

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Speaker 1: All right, America is the biggest dog, but these are

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Speaker 1: the other two big dogs. And that's what President Trump

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Speaker 1: is structuring everything around our relationship with Russia and China.

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Speaker 1: We know a Kamala Harris would have wanted, she would

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Speaker 1: World War three. President Trump wants the deal. So what

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Speaker 1: do you do. Well, if you want to constrain China,

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Speaker 1: That's the sit down with Beijing, who's backstopping the Iranians

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Speaker 9: He's the people's pundit. Rich.

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Speaker 1: You know, we usually have you on to talk polling,

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Speaker 1: And I've been walking through you know, Iran, and of

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Speaker 12: And Jack, Look, this is another thing about you know

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Speaker 12: We need Greenland, we need it, Jack. We're forty trillion

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Speaker 3: Look, we were talking about this the other day.

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Speaker 3: In anyone like that.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. We need people's pard to hear. Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily.

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Speaker 11: Be right back, influences. These are influences and they're friends

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Speaker 10: Jack, Jack.

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Speaker 1: Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We're on with Rich Barris,

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Speaker 1: the People's Pundit. We're talking about the shifting balance of

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Speaker 9: But look, do you want America. It's real simple, folks.

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Speaker 1: So Rich, let's walk through that some more. Does it

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Speaker 12: right now, with.

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Speaker 3: A power which I referenced in the last section.

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Speaker 12: We don't have to love, we don't have to share

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Speaker 12: full morality with the Ukrainians are deeply corrupt. This is

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Speaker 12: we act like this is somehow a moral country and

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Speaker 12: Russia's the big bad guy. The NATO was not there

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Speaker 12: for us. We're entrenched in a war in Eastern Europe,

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Speaker 12: Ladies and gentlemen. NATO was created to balance the Warsaw Pact.

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Speaker 3: The Warsaw Pact has been dissolved.

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Speaker 12: It has not evolved in its mission in any significant

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Speaker 12: way since the end of.

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Speaker 3: History after the Cold War. This will forever.

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Speaker 12: If we continue operating in this system, we will continue

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Speaker 12: to bleed our resources, to bleed our blood, our treasure

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Speaker 12: out in other people's ventures, which we get nothing back

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Speaker 12: for in return. Right, did they come to our aid

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Speaker 12: jack the way we came to their aid in Europe?

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Speaker 12: It wasn't you know solely that we were helping Ukraine.

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Speaker 12: We were helping other Western countries who are afraid of Russia, France, Germany?

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Speaker 3: Did France? Did the French come and help us?

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Speaker 12: Know?

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Speaker 3: They vetoed us at the Security.

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Speaker 12: Council, the norms, the institutions again, I mean, it's really

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Speaker 12: there's no better there's no better example of this expression.

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Speaker 3: This is all fake and gay. It's unnecessary.

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Speaker 12: The NATO powers are absolutely useless and they're just draining us.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, while while they do, we allow.

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Speaker 12: Them to engage in these experiments like social uh, you know,

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Speaker 12: like democratic socialism, right, and we allow them to flourish

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Speaker 12: and pretend like that kind of a system can work

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Speaker 12: without the US subsidizing it.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 12: I mean, the entire point of Maga who is not

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Speaker 12: to pull back and be isolationists. I know a lot

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Speaker 12: of you know people who have been you know, voices,

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Speaker 12: you know, at the front of the mega movement for

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Speaker 12: for ten years.

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Speaker 5: O G.

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Speaker 12: Maga, who are okay with empire as long as it's

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Speaker 12: empire that suits us, as long as it's realistic, right,

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Speaker 12: as long as it allows us to deal with our

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Speaker 12: own stuff in our own backyard and again our own hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: We make light of the Greenland situation.

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Speaker 11: Jack.

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Speaker 12: We need Greenland. We can't be we can't afford to

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Speaker 12: mess around in Eastern Europe. We should be on better

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Speaker 12: terms with Russia. They should be helping to balance China

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Speaker 12: while we deal with Greenland, while we take Greenland, while

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Speaker 12: we take back whatever else we.

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Speaker 3: Want to take back. But this system is designed it.

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Speaker 12: This is the the I don't think people understand that

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Speaker 12: the way Rich will train us.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, Rich on that on that point real quick. Being

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Speaker 1: United States already has Greenland, it is even about taking

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Speaker 1: it back because who was it that this Greenland in

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Speaker 1: World War Two dair military distinction from the Germans when

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Speaker 1: they were going to get it and they were going

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Speaker 1: to they took over Denmark.

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Speaker 9: They occupied Denmark.

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Speaker 1: And who was it that went in and prevented the

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Speaker 1: takeover of green It was the United States military And

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Speaker 1: it was the United States that did that. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry when you took territory in war time that actually

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Speaker 1: used to mean something.

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Speaker 12: I'm just saying, we're the only ones who give things back, Jack, We're.

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Speaker 3: The only ones who do this. Yes, and this is

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Speaker 3: this post World War two order.

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Speaker 12: Was designed at a time when we were one of

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Speaker 12: only two remaining standing superpowers, and we decided, not that

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Speaker 12: the Russians did. We decided that it would be okay

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Speaker 12: for us to export a little bit of our wealth,

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Speaker 12: a little bit of our treasure, a little bit of

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Speaker 12: our blood, a little bit of our way of life

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Speaker 12: in order to keep.

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Speaker 3: The rest of that world stable. Well, this really hasn't worked.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the truth of it.

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Speaker 12: People would argue that NATO has been a stabilizing force.

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Speaker 12: NATO's been an aggressor in the interest of the European

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Speaker 12: powers who.

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Speaker 3: Don't come to our aid when we need them.

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Speaker 12: So this entire thing, it was never designed to continue forever,

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Speaker 12: because of course, we don't have finite power to lend

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Speaker 12: to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: We're an enormous debt. We need to lock down our

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Speaker 3: own system.

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Speaker 12: We need to make sure that we're still competent at

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Speaker 12: balancing the real threat, which is of course the Chinese.

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Speaker 12: And it's time to move on from this old, stale

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Speaker 12: way of thinking. And unfortunately, again, this is generational. It's

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Speaker 12: why you hear people like Lindsay Graham constantly bring up Munich, right,

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Speaker 12: and all of these other myths of empire. They're stuck

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Speaker 12: in this generational mindset. And it's not their fault. You're

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Speaker 12: defined by your generation in many ways. But the world

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Speaker 12: changes and if our leaders don't change with it, then

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Speaker 12: it's time for new leaders. Donald Trump understood that, he

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Speaker 12: understood the world needed to go in a different direction. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 12: these systems are strong. They don't want to go right.

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Speaker 9: So Rich.

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Speaker 1: You can, That's what and as the new system is

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Speaker 1: being created, that's why he's trying to put the United

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Speaker 1: States in the most.

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Speaker 9: Powerful spot that he can.

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Speaker 1: As these negotiations for the new system, as I call it,

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Speaker 1: the Grand Deal, take place, Rich Barris, where can people follow?

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Speaker 9: Your brother?

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Speaker 12: Best placed on locals all the best people's pundentot locals

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Speaker 12: dot Com Thanks Jack.

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Speaker 3: Talk to you guys all.

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Speaker 9: Right, back with the great Michael Knowles here Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, where's Jack?

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Speaker 13: Where is he?

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Speaker 2: Jack?

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Speaker 7: I want to see you.

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Speaker 4: Great job, Jack, Thank you.

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Speaker 9: What a job you do.

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Speaker 12: You know, we have an incredible thing.

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Speaker 14: We're always talking.

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Speaker 10: About the fake news and demand, but we have guys

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Speaker 10: and these are the guys.

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Speaker 11: Should be getting Bullasuski.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Selwick, we're back live here Human Events

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Speaker 1: Daily and we've got huge breaking news. So there's been

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Speaker 1: this story, this narrative running around all.

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Speaker 9: Over Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: It's about a meeting that took place all the way

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Speaker 1: back in January of this year regarding Cardinal Pierre, the

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Speaker 1: then people nuncio to the United States. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: the ambassador, if you will, from the Vatican to the US,

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Speaker 1: and a meeting that he held with Elbert Colby, who

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Speaker 1: is the Undersecretary of War for policy.

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Speaker 9: And there's been this narrative in left wing meeting.

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Speaker 1: That there was this huge clash between them, that it

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Speaker 1: was this just you.

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Speaker 9: Know, barn burner of a meeting.

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Speaker 1: And yet the photos that have come out that have

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Speaker 1: just now been released minutes ago by the Pentagon, well

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Speaker 1: that they don't appear to be caustic at all their

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Speaker 1: photos and if we can get them up, guys there

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Speaker 1: they're sitting down politely. There's photos of them smiling and

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Speaker 1: shaking hands, and you know they're they're pointing out that

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Speaker 1: this was sort of a get to know you kind

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Speaker 1: of meeting. It wasn't a argument or a debate or

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Speaker 1: you know, anything like the media has been.

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Speaker 9: Trying to say.

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Speaker 1: It was actually a quite cordial meeting and as they say,

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Speaker 1: a respectful and reasonable discussion. And the Pentagon rites, we

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Speaker 1: have nothing but the highest regard and welcome continued dialogue

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Speaker 1: with the Holy See. So I want to get on

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Speaker 1: someone to I'd heard that this was going to be

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Speaker 1: coming out. I reached out to the Pentagon to see

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Speaker 1: what's going on with this story. I mean, it felt

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Speaker 1: like left wing, you know, media op. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what's going on here. But I wanted to reach out

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Speaker 1: to noted Catholic Michael Knowles to bring him on here

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Speaker 1: because he is a Catholic. He has been so in

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Speaker 1: public and if I understand correctly, Michael, are you now

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Speaker 1: a Catholic?

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Speaker 14: You know I am now a Catholic.

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Speaker 13: Jack I saw the other day that everybody on Twitter

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Speaker 13: was becoming Catholic. It was on Easter Sunday, actually, and

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Speaker 13: I said, why I go. I want to get in

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Speaker 13: on this. I'm feeling left out, so I tweeted, I said,

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Speaker 13: I am now Catholic.

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Speaker 14: I was also Catholic yesterday.

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Speaker 13: I was Catholic the day before that too, But I

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Speaker 13: am now one as I believe, are you?

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Speaker 9: Indeed?

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Speaker 1: I am now Catholic. I was Catholic yesterday, I was

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Speaker 1: Catholic in Easter. I was Catholic when I was. I'm Polish,

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Speaker 1: like we pretty much only come in one flavor. So

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's kind of par for the course.

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Speaker 1: But break down your just reaction. I know these photos

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Speaker 1: have just been released, but we've been sort of living

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Speaker 1: through this narrative of you know, a war between the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon and the Vatican, and it was all about this

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Speaker 1: meeting and gosh, I mean, look at the fireballs being

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Speaker 1: thrown in this in this meeting.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it just it's it's.

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Speaker 1: I understand that these view these are graphic photos, and

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Speaker 1: I want to be very careful if anyone has small

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Speaker 1: children at home, I should have put up a viewer

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Speaker 1: discretion and be advised warning, because I mean, you look

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Speaker 1: at the the fangs, just that, the fangs and the

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Speaker 1: you know of of Elbridge Colby.

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Speaker 13: Just hiding behind the smiles and the handshakes. I'm sure

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Speaker 13: there's a fang in there somewhere. Yes, when it comes

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Speaker 13: to any story about the Trump administration, because he has

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Speaker 13: because the whole administration has been the target of so

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Speaker 13: many lives, I always have to consider the source. When

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Speaker 13: you add religion, and specifically the Catholic Church into that.

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Speaker 14: The Catholic Church.

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Speaker 13: Also the subject of many a media op all of

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Speaker 13: a sudden, my vigilance is turned up to eleven. And

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Speaker 13: so when I saw this story going around, I looked

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Speaker 13: at who was promoting it. And one of the chief

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Speaker 13: guys promoting this story, even if he didn't publish it initially.

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Speaker 14: Is this guy a Christopher Hale I think his name is.

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Speaker 9: Who is a leftist guy. He's a huge literary, He's

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Speaker 9: a huge lib.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, you can't.

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Speaker 13: I mean leftist Catholic is a contradiction in terms. And

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Speaker 13: so when I see a lib or a heretic, or

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Speaker 13: a liberal heretic promoting some story about the government and

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Speaker 13: the church, already I'm really really skeptical of it. But

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Speaker 13: then I saw the pictures and I say, okay, I'm glad.

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Speaker 13: I was skeptical because if if the story is right,

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Speaker 13: and the Trump administration we're threatening to, I don't know,

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Speaker 13: depose the pope with an anti pope, send the papacy

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Speaker 13: to Avignon as it was in.

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Speaker 14: The Middle Ages. You know.

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Speaker 13: It sure doesn't look that way from the photos of

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Speaker 13: this meeting. However, it does bring up and enduring an

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Speaker 13: important topic, which is namely that the spiritual authority and

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Speaker 13: the secular authority have always been in a little bit

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Speaker 13: of tension with each other. I mean this, this doesn't

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Speaker 13: just go back to the Francis era or the Benedict era.

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Speaker 13: This goes back to the fifth century. And so there's

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Speaker 13: a famous Catholic maxim, which is duo sunt duo sunt

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Speaker 13: comes from a papal letter family Vestre Piatts, which was

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Speaker 13: written by Pope Galacias the first. It was written to

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Speaker 13: the Byzantine emperor to say, hey, look, we have different

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Speaker 13: roles here. And so the spiritual authority is superior to

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Speaker 13: the secular authority because the spiritual authority looks at eternity,

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Speaker 13: whereas the secular authority looks at the temporal world. However,

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Speaker 13: we do have different areas of competency. You see this

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Speaker 13: debate play out later in the Middle Ages. Dante famously

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Speaker 13: was a little tough on the pope. He puts a

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Speaker 13: couple of popes in Hell. He sides with the emperor

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Speaker 13: when it comes to the pope, even though he's part

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Speaker 13: of the political party that supports the pope over the Empire.

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Speaker 13: All of which I say not as fun church political trivia,

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Speaker 13: but to point out there's always been a little bit

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Speaker 13: of tension, especially in Western Christendom. And so the idea

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Speaker 13: here that this free press story promoted by liberals is

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Speaker 13: going to suggest that the US is going to go.

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Speaker 14: To war with the Holy See. It's just totally laughable.

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Speaker 13: It's historically illiterate, and it seems to be dishonest, judging

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Speaker 13: by what the Department of War just put out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the story was dishonest, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I also sell people trying to, you know, try to

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Speaker 1: I think use this as a wedge of you know,

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Speaker 1: putting it between the Pentagon and the Trump officials and

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Speaker 1: the Pope, because obviously we're in the midst of or

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Speaker 1: at the time had been in the midst of a war.

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Speaker 9: We're currently in the midst of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: So people who really supported the military effort wanted to

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Speaker 1: try to, you know, pit these people against it. And

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Speaker 1: they said, well, Pope Leo's come out and talking about

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Speaker 1: war and all that. I said, Guy's news slash. Popes

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Speaker 1: generally in the modern era are not pro war, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what the war is. Pope John Paul the Second,

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Speaker 1: one of the last things that he did on the

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Speaker 1: world stage was speak out against this start of the

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Speaker 1: Iraq War.

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Speaker 9: So this isn't something new.

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Speaker 1: It's not really a new trend, and it's not really

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Speaker 1: something that you know, is gonna I think, break the

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Speaker 1: news cycle and you know, you know, shocker, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: church leader calls for peace. It's not exactly something new.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think I was so confused when

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Speaker 1: I saw people bringing it up. I said, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: the popes are generally always like that.

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Speaker 9: That's that's pretty much what they go for. And to

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Speaker 9: your point, right, they have different different goals in mind.

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Speaker 13: You know, some people are using this to attack the

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Speaker 13: Trump administration as being anti Catholic.

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Speaker 14: Which I think is pretty laughable.

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Speaker 13: We have the first practicing Catholic vice president we've ever

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Speaker 13: had in American history. Some of the officials in that

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Speaker 13: room actually the Pentagon or Catholic, so that to me

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Speaker 13: is a total joke. And then some people, as you

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Speaker 13: point out, Jack, are using this to attack the Pope.

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Speaker 13: Some are claiming that Pope Leo the fourteenth is a

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Speaker 13: liberal or something like that, And I think this speaks

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Speaker 13: to an understandable ignorance of what the Pope is and

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Speaker 13: what the Catholic Church is. The Pope, whether we're talking

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Speaker 13: about Pope Leo or we're talking about pretty much every

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Speaker 13: other the Pope is much more conservative than basically any

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Speaker 13: American politician in either party, when it comes down to

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Speaker 13: the litany of issues, whether we're talking about life, whether

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Speaker 13: we're talking about marriage, whether we're talking about sexual ethics.

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Speaker 13: Even when we're talking about hot button issues like abortion,

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Speaker 13: on which Pope Leo has a relatively moderate and I

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Speaker 13: think even slightly conservative view, when we get down to

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Speaker 13: issues like war again, in which Pope Leo I think

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Speaker 13: has a pretty moderate view, the Pope is very conservative.

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Speaker 13: You cannot map the left wing political paradigm onto an

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Speaker 13: institution such as the Catholic Church. Let's not forget the

728
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Speaker 13: left right political paradigm was established at the beginning of

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Speaker 13: the French Revolution to distinguish between the people who supported

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Speaker 13: the Church, who sat on the right side of the

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Speaker 13: National Assembly, and the people who hated the church and

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Speaker 13: wanted to destroy it, who sat on the left. You

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Speaker 13: can't map these things on the only institution in the

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Speaker 13: West to survive since antiquity, the Catholic Church is by

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Speaker 13: deaf anition, very very conservative, and I think people are

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Speaker 13: to your point, they're trying to gin up divisions where

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Speaker 13: none exist.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I've said, look, if you

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Speaker 1: want to, you know, if he's popping off about immigration

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Speaker 1: or something and we want to get into that, all

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 9: I do it myself as a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's, you know, much better, by the

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Speaker 1: way than Pope Francis has been on that hot button issue.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he said some things that you know

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Speaker 1: that I you know, are concerning to me. But we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen the same level of I think abrasion between

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Speaker 1: himself and conservatives that we saw under Pope Prinsis, and

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Speaker 1: Pope Leo has actually called for communion with the Latin

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Speaker 1: right with the Latin Mass, which I think is phenomenal.

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Speaker 9: We had my brother on the other day.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this just after after Easter Sunday,

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Speaker 1: because this has been that was I mean, it felt

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Speaker 1: like a burgeoning schism within the church almost this idea

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Speaker 1: that the Latin Mass Catholics and the Novus Ordo Modernist

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Speaker 1: Catholics were in totally you know, different camps on this,

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Speaker 1: and it was going, it was getting it was bubbling

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Speaker 1: up to the point where it could have gotten ugly,

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Speaker 1: and it looked like an ugly situation. And here we

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Speaker 1: have the Pope coming in and saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we have to find a way to bridge the divide.

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Speaker 1: If you feel pulled towards the traditional right of Mass,

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Speaker 1: then we should not try to stamp that out.

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Speaker 9: We should respect that. And by the way, those are

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Speaker 9: the types of Catholics.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that in the next segment here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Those are the types of people that are

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Speaker 1: flocking to the church among jen Z quick Break, Jack

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Speaker 1: Michael Knowles.

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Speaker 9: Here is our guest. We're doing a little.

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Speaker 1: Catholic talk talking about the Vatican here on Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 9: This the Jack Pisobappreciation Hour.

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Speaker 6: I can say confidently I believe I think Josh Shapiro

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Speaker 6: would be the vice presidential nominee.

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Speaker 9: It wasn't for Jack Pisobic, and that is I'm becauest.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pisovic, We're back live Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: We're on with Michael Knowles, and Knowles I had to

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Speaker 1: ask you because you know, we're talking about vat again,

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Speaker 1: we're talking with the Pope, We're talking about Catholicism and

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Speaker 1: in America as as sort of this you know, or

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Speaker 1: other differences between you know, the presidency and.

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Speaker 9: The Holy See. Uh obviously, but there's this huge.

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Speaker 1: Narrative going on, and we've kind of been talking about

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the show this week already about

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Speaker 1: this gen Z. You know, is it a trend? Is

786
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Speaker 1: it a fad? Is it here to stay? This movement

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Speaker 1: towards Catholicism? And I think all those questions are valid.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you, because I know you talk

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Speaker 1: about this a lot, what do you think is driving

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Speaker 1: what do you think is underpinning this? Because you know,

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Speaker 1: when when gen Z really first started coming online a

792
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, you know, I think of shows

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Speaker 1: like Euphoria and like Zendaia and Sydney Sweeney and these

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Speaker 1: types of things, And that doesn't lead me to think,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's tough to draw a line from that

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Speaker 1: to the Holy Roman Church, so Roman Catholic Church that

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, how did how did this

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Speaker 1: start in the first place.

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Speaker 13: So three things I think when it comes to the

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Speaker 13: gen Z conversions, and gen Z really is driving this,

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Speaker 13: especially young men. The first one is the Holy Spirit,

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Speaker 13: I believe what's driving it.

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Speaker 1: But that's exactly that's exactly what brother said when I

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Speaker 1: asked him that question first smart.

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Speaker 13: So the second part is transgenderism, and the third part

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Speaker 13: is COVID. I think those are the those are the

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Speaker 13: immediate reasons that we're seeing this happen right now. Now,

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Speaker 13: this of course has been building for decades and even

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Speaker 13: centuries in my estimation. But what trans did was it

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Speaker 13: denied the importance of the body.

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Speaker 14: It said that you are not your body, and your body.

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Speaker 13: Is really has no connection to your true identity. So

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Speaker 13: you can look like a man but be a woman.

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Speaker 13: You can chop up your body, but that's not really you,

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Speaker 13: and that's just not true. We all know that we

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Speaker 13: are our body we're also spirit, but we are our body.

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Speaker 13: And so people I think are drawn to religion that

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Speaker 13: deals with the body. A lot of modern religion doesn't

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Speaker 13: really deal with the body. It's a motivist, it's a personalist.

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Speaker 13: But you know, you need to be drawn to liturgical

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Speaker 13: or sacramental religion if you're going to deal with the body.

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Speaker 13: And the Catholic Church does that more perfectly than any

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Speaker 13: other institution. That's in fact, many religious groups have defined

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Speaker 13: themselves against that, and so I think that's why you're

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Speaker 13: seeing a Catholic surge there. And then the other one

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Speaker 13: is COVID, because COVID participated in much the same social problem.

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Speaker 13: It alienated us. It told us we could live our

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Speaker 13: lives virtually on screens.

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Speaker 14: So it said, you know, you can.

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Speaker 13: Say goodbye to Granny in the hospital on a screen,

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Speaker 13: not in person, it said, and you go to school

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Speaker 13: on a screen. It said that your whole social life

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Speaker 13: can exist locked up in a cube as long as

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Speaker 13: you can be present.

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Speaker 14: In the virtual world and satisfied by that.

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Speaker 13: We want to touch people, We want to hug people.

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Speaker 13: We want to go out and get a drink, smoke

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Speaker 13: a cigar, roll baseball, and so I think people are

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Speaker 13: therefore once again drawn to the sacramental and liturgical aspects

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Speaker 13: of the Church. And then the final little coda to

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Speaker 13: those top three is that the new atheism was spent.

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Speaker 13: The new atheism that said that only dummies are religious

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Speaker 13: in the two thousands, and that had a particular hatred

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Speaker 13: for the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 14: That was a joke.

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Speaker 13: It was really a deceit because the only reason it

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Speaker 13: became popular was that they exploited the nine to eleven

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Speaker 13: terror attack, which was perpetrated by Muslims to try to

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Speaker 13: attack Christians under the guise of attacking religion.

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Speaker 14: Generally.

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Speaker 13: It was a sleight of hand, It was a little trick,

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Speaker 13: and it ran out. People realized that religions are in

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Speaker 13: fact different, and that man is a religious creature, and

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Speaker 13: the eternal questions don't just go away because Sam Harris

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Speaker 13: made some dumb point on a podcast or something. So

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Speaker 13: that part, I think was all bound to happen. But

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Speaker 13: we're beginning to live in a world where young people,

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Speaker 13: especially want something that is sturdy, that is solid that

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Speaker 13: they can touch physically, and that is solid intellectually and spiritually.

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Speaker 13: And so when I say that this problem goes back

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Speaker 13: hundreds of years. I mean, I'm going back to Descartes here,

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Speaker 13: who screws up Western philosophy by saying that basically the

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Speaker 13: only thing that we can know is within our own minds,

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Speaker 13: that we can't ever really access the real world literally,

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Speaker 13: and the medieval tradition and the ancient tradition says, no,

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Speaker 13: you can.

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Speaker 14: You actually can know things.

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Speaker 13: We can know things for certain, we can come to conclusions,

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Speaker 13: we can have confidence in authoritative teaching. And the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 13: contrary to most of modern religion, says there are dogmas,

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Speaker 13: there are doctrines, we don't leave everything up to private judgment.

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Speaker 13: There's a role for private judgment, but there's a role

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Speaker 13: for magisterial teaching too. All of that I think has

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Speaker 13: finally come back because of young people in particular having

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Speaker 13: a dissatisfaction with the failures of the alternative.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and it also explains whether there's

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Speaker 1: the connection more so in with the traditional rights of

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, because they don't want the novis ordo,

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Speaker 1: they don't want the modern church with the guitars or

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Speaker 1: you know, these these newer churches that you know, it's it,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we drive past a couple of those

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Speaker 1: churches to go to where we go to Mass every Sunday,

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Speaker 1: where we attend Mass, because I don't want.

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Speaker 9: To go in a you know, go to a.

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Speaker 1: Church or take my kids to a church that looks

886
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Speaker 1: like a YMCA that's got a cross up, right right.

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Speaker 1: I want my kids to go to a church in

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Speaker 1: a place that looks different, that looks like it's from

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Speaker 1: a different world, that has a direct connection to the

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Speaker 1: spiritual where you're conducting all the liturgical rituals, where you've

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Speaker 1: got the stained glass and the pillars and the artwork

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Speaker 1: and incense and all of it, and you need those things.

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Speaker 9: You absolutely need those things.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that speaks to gen

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Speaker 1: Z because when you're doing those not in a performative way,

896
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Speaker 1: but in a robust, spiritual and humble, right, an incredibly

897
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Speaker 1: humble mindset as you are approaching God, you know, these

898
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Speaker 1: distinctions like communion on the hand versus communion on the tongue,

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Speaker 1: they become very important if you're actually looking at it

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Speaker 1: from that perspective. And I think it's that authenticity that

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Speaker 1: the traditional right has that is actually attracting so many

902
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Speaker 1: people from gen Z because it's authenticity that they are

903
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: searching for so much. Because I'm just going to say it,

904
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Speaker 1: so much of the modern world is fake and gay.

905
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Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, I mean what you're getting at is this

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Speaker 13: old Latin expression lex randi lex credendi, which is the

907
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 13: way that we worship is going to imply something about

908
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Speaker 13: the way that we believe. And so you mentioned receiving

909
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 13: the Holy Communion on the tongue kneeling as is traditional,

910
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 13: versus the more modern way where you receive our Lord

911
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 13: in your hands.

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Speaker 14: Both are valid. The Vatican is okay with both.

913
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Speaker 13: However, I think a lot of young people are looking

914
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 13: at and saying, well, hold on, If I really believe

915
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 13: that this is Jesus really and truly present body, blood, soul,

916
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 13: and divinity in the Communion host in the Eucharist, then

917
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 13: I don't want to touch it with my unconsecrated hands.

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Speaker 13: I want to receive in a very reverent way, kneeling

919
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 13: before the Lord. It's not to say that you're not

920
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Speaker 13: allowed to do the other. It's just that our behaviors

921
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 13: imply something about our belief. And so I think young

922
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Speaker 13: people in particular, living in this disenchanted world where we're

923
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 13: told we can't believe anything, and nothing's true and nothing's meaningful,

924
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Speaker 13: and they know that that's a lie. They're going to

925
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Speaker 13: look for the expressions of religion, the practice of religion,

926
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Speaker 13: that are full of expression.

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Speaker 14: I mean, you even mentioned Jack.

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Speaker 13: We've all had this driving past the ugly suburban church

929
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 13: that looks like a dairy queen. And it's no knock

930
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Speaker 13: on simplicity. You can have a beautiful, cheap and simple chapel.

931
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Speaker 13: You can, in fact, a lot of the really traditional

932
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Speaker 13: masses or pushed to the margins on the outskirts in

933
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 13: the bad neighborhood with the chapel that's too small. But

934
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Speaker 13: it's beautiful and it's adorned nonetheless, And this isn't a

935
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Speaker 13: prejudice that's irrational. Most people realize that there's a relation

936
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Speaker 13: between beauty and truth and goodness. These are the transcendentals

937
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Speaker 13: and they have relation to one another. So, you know,

938
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Speaker 13: if we are longing for a beauty that is beyond

939
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Speaker 13: this world, if we're longing for transcendence, if we're longing

940
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Speaker 13: for objective truth and moral goodness, we're going to recognize

941
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Speaker 13: that these things are all going to have something to

942
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Speaker 13: do with one another.

943
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Speaker 14: And people don't want to just go.

944
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Speaker 13: To the same sorts of places that we go every

945
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Speaker 13: other day of the week. You know, if I want

946
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Speaker 13: more of the world, if I want to be entertained

947
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Speaker 13: by a priest who's facing me doing a stand up

948
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Speaker 13: routine like an actor in a vaudeville show, I don't know,

949
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Speaker 13: I'll just go to some entertainment venue. But if I

950
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Speaker 13: want to be led in the worship of the true God,

951
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Speaker 13: to have my eyes lifted up to Heaven, I'm going

952
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Speaker 13: to go to a place that looks and feels a

953
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Speaker 13: little different from worldly things. I think it's perfectly rational,

954
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Speaker 13: and I in this regard, I think the kids are

955
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Speaker 13: all right and the older generations have something to learn

956
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Speaker 13: from them.

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Speaker 9: No, I think it's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's like what they say, you know,

959
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Speaker 1: and you and you fought by the way, and you

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Speaker 1: find the younger priests, I.

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Speaker 9: Wish, I wish you had more time to talk about this. Well,

962
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Speaker 9: have to do it the next time.

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Speaker 1: You find these younger priests, and they're like so on fire,

964
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Speaker 1: so conservative. I mean, it's like bumer priests. They're on

965
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: their way out and these younger ones coming up like

966
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: they're just great, Michael Knowles working people go.

967
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Speaker 11: To follow you.

968
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Speaker 13: They can go to Michael Jnoles dot com or to

969
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 13: any of the various social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, MySpace, zanga,

970
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 13: live journal, I don't know whatever other ones there are.

971
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Speaker 9: You still love a senga?

972
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Speaker 11: Does that exist?

973
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Speaker 9: Is that allowed? Is that Legal's?

974
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Speaker 14: Gosh?

975
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Speaker 1: Actually, I actually found all of GeoCities in a zip

976
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Speaker 1: file one somewhere off to tell you about it later.

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Speaker 9: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: As always, you have our elder millennial permission to lay ashore.