1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: and he Armstrong and Getty. Federal agents open fire in Portland. 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: We don't know the status of the victims in Portland. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: We're told they're a married couple who are hospitalized and 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: later arrested. 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: They are live. 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: We're calling an ICE to halt all operations in Portland 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: until a full and independent investigation can take place. Our 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: community deserves answers, our community deserves accountability, and most of all, 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: our community deserves peace. 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Another ICE shooting in a different town. As I say, 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: gents just go around America shooting down apparently married couples 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: for no good reason. That's my understanding, just sheer meanness. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the news report agents opened fire on 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: a married couple. Well, here's a news nation with the 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: layout of what actually happened yesterday afternoon in Portland. 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 4: Portland Police say that received a call about a shooting 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 4: involving federal agents Thursday afternoon. Soon after, police found a 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: man and a woman with gunshot wounds, and Das says 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 4: that the driver attempted to run over law enforcement during 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: a targeted stop, and fearing for his life and safety, 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: the agent fired a defensive shot. They say the passenger, 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: a Venezuelan national in the country illegally, was the target 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: who allegedly has ties to the gang Trende or Ragua 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 4: and was involved in a recent shooting in Portland. Portland's 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: mayor says that the city is not a training ground 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 4: for militarized agents. 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: You need to have an investigation, and you need to 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: figure out whether it was a justified blah blah blah, 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. I'm not for just going 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: around shooting people, but if you got two people connected 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: to one of the worst gangs in the world, that's 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: not exactly the same as open fire. You're on a 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: married couple. 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: Right, And the idea that ICE must suspend all of 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: its operations during this investigation, why would that be. Name 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: another federal agency that ought to suspend all of its operations. 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: If there's a single incident, that's probably fine, But we're 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: gonna look. 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: Into that's ridiculous and these people are like children. Well, 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit ago, the Sheriff of Philadelphia said 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna start arresting ICE agents. So let's hear a 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: little bit of that. 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 5: This should not have happened, but we're here today. 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: Let know that law. 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 5: Enforcement professionals, real ones, not the fate. 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Made up ice. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 5: Probably Trump's a new army to attack citizens of the 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 5: United States. 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Wow. Did you hear what I said? Wow? 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 5: No law enforcement professional wears a mask. 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: None. 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 5: None. And so we stand here today with all those 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 5: who stand against made up fake what you can call 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 5: ICE professional law enforcement. 57 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: I don't call them none of that. 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 5: I call them made up fake want to be law 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 5: enforcements because what they do is against not only legal law, 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: but tomorrow law. 61 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: If any of. 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 5: Them want to come in this city and commit a crime, 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 5: you will not be able to hide. Nobody will wish 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 5: you off. You don't want to smoke, because we will 65 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 5: bring it to you. 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: That's the Sheriff of Philadelphia. That's unbelievable. ICE agents are 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: fake law enforcement, and we'll enrest them for enforcing the 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: well for you know, coming in here and trying to 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: do their job enforcing federal immigration law. 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: I almost want to hear that whole thing again. That's 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: the sheriff. 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Holy cow. We got to hear from the mayor. We've 73 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: got to go to her boss. Well, listen, we've got 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: to do this. 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 5: Let me hear you all saying me oh G. 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: S mes. That explains a lot, That explains a lot. Wow. Wow. 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: This whole ice stands for immigration Customs enforcement. We have 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: immigration laws and then if you break them, you have 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: to arrest people and punish them. Wonder whatever the law is. Now, 80 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: if you want to get a do away with those laws, fine, 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: let's have a voter or you know whatever. But the 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: idea that those federal laws don't count, as I've been 83 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: saying for a long time, what other federal what federal 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: laws could I decide I want to ignore in the 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: town I live in, Like I'm very pro gun, let's 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: decide we have all kinds of different rules for what 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: you get to do with guns than what the federal 88 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: laws are, because I just like it better this way. 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being sieved from through taxes. So 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: we're a no tax saying Stuary city, Yeah, you're in 91 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: Joeville one. Yeah, no federal income tax sanctuary. 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: And these fake Treasury cops coming here are gonna be 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: arrested trying to abduct me in a tax sanctuary city. 94 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't even think they're real cops. They're fake cops 95 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: and they don't want my smoke here in Joeville. How 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: is that not the same thing. That's effing insane what 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: we just heard it really is, Holy cow, this country 98 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: is breaking apart. Did you hear what I said? I did, 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe it. Still trying to comprehend it, 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: calling a ICE agent's fake law enforcement where we will 101 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: arrest them. Wow, Okay, what was that thing saying nobody 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: know how gotta go down? Not go what? There's a 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: part right in the. 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Middle of it that was And look, I understand she's 105 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: trying to resonate with the the people of the street. 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: She's trying to sound off. 107 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Did she say here comes the judge at one point 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: or did I just don't know she didn't. No, not 109 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: that she said you don't want this smoke. You don't 110 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: want this smoke. That's a good one. Yeah, I'm going 111 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: to play that again on the aunor now but soon. 112 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: On the other hand, you got Chicago PD soup. Larry 113 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Snelling said this clip forty seven Michael. 114 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 6: Federal agents ICE HSI are officers. They are agents of 115 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 6: law enforcement. If you box them in with vehicles. It 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 6: is reasonable for them to believe that they are being 117 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 6: ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation, 118 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 6: and it's reasonable for them to use force based on 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 6: those conditions. Do not box in any law enforcement officer. 120 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 6: You are breaking the law when you do that, and 121 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 6: you were putting yourself in danger. 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 123 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: The words of that superintendent should be heard nationwide, no 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: matter what you think, no matter what you believe. 125 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: He's right, a grown up. We just spotted a grown 126 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: up with binoculars from a distance. I think we have 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: the we have the North American grown up. You see 128 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: isn't that something you rarely see it in your book? 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: Market in your book? I see them. Yeah, you box 130 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: in cops. They have every reason to think they're being 131 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: ambushed and a bunch of people are about to shoot them. 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Jack. We're the fair hearing show, though the 133 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: we listen to both sides show, and so I think 134 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: we ought to highlight clip forty six. Please, Michael, this 135 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: is trans influencer tes FuGO with a different point of view. 136 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I watched the video. The news is gonna say she tried. 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 5: To ram them. 138 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: She most certainly did not. 139 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 7: They ran her car, holding on to their guns, and 140 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 7: then they shut her when she tried to drive away. 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: She wasn't trying to ram anyone. She was trying to 142 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: get away from a dangerous situation. 143 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 7: Dad, If you are okay with the fact that they're 144 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 7: gutting people down in the streets in the suburbs of Minneapolis, 145 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 7: then you're not afraid of fighter. 146 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 5: You're nothing. 147 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: That person is capable of doing anything. Yes, they are 148 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: absolutely true. Yeah you might. Maybe that'd be a good 149 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: transition to this hour, that whole uh conspiracy white people 150 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: go down that road, get so worked up thing. Oh yeah, 151 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: because yeah, we're in a strange place, particularly with women, 152 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: whether they're trans women or actual women. No, no, dude, 153 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: fella is the term for what that person is. Man. 154 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: But the the just over the top, out of control 155 00:08:54,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: emotions of these things is just unseen and my lifetime. 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: And you don't want to smoke. How about that difference 157 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: between the Sheriff of Philly and the Chicago PD. He's saying, Look, 158 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: you boxing federal agents. They have every reason to think 159 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: they're being ambushed and they're going to have to re 160 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: respond with force. Don't do it. You're putting your life 161 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: in danger, and her saying we're and him starting with 162 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: they're officers, they're federal agents, They're allowed to be here, 163 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: and her saying we're gonna arrest them, their fake cops. 164 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to exercise my rights, my American rights as 165 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: the co host. If indeed the Philadelphia PD gets in 166 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 1: a gunfight or the Sheriff's Department gets in a gunfight 167 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: with Ice, this is going to be the clip of 168 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: the year. Play forty eight again, Michael. 169 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 5: This should not have happened, but we're here today. 170 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Let know that law. 171 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 5: Enforcement professionals, real ones, not the fake, made up ice, 172 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 5: probably Trump's new army to attack citizens of the United States. 173 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: Wow, did you hear what I said? Yes? 174 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, No law enforcement professional wears a mask. 175 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: None. 176 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: None. 177 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: And so we stand here today with all. 178 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 5: Those who stand against the made up, fake what you 179 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: can call ice professional law enforcement. 180 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't call them none of that. 181 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 5: I call them made up, fake want to be law enforcements, 182 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 5: because what they do is against not only legal law, 183 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 5: but tomorrowl law. 184 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: If any of them want. 185 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: To come in this city and commit a crime, you 186 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: will not be able to hide. Nobody will wish you off. 187 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 5: You don't want this smoke because we will bring. 188 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: It to you a major American city. Somebody that high 189 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: up in law enforcement telling her constituents that this is 190 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: a fake army put out there by the President who's 191 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: a Nazi. I mean. 192 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: Luckily Trump will respond by taking time for everybody to 193 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: calm down and reaching out the hand of friendship. 194 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. 195 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, this could turn to some serious ass. 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I 222 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: don't feel like this Philly sheriff is getting the attention 223 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: that it should get. I mean, it happened this morning, 224 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: but that is the lefty media knows. Oh my god, 225 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: that's a lunatic. We get. Let's soft pedal that, let's stop. 226 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: Do you hear what I said? Yes, Trump's own private 227 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: army that are a fake cops are coming to town 228 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: and we'll arrest them. What I can Philadelphians take that seriously. 229 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: There will be an incident that is remembered for decades. 230 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: You're right, good, lord, hope not that is ugly. Okay, 231 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: we got not ugly on the light to stay here 232 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: arm Strong. 233 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: A couple of follow ups on the last segment where 234 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: the Minnesota sheriff has declared war more or less on 235 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: ice and brought on a new shooting war between federal 236 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: and local authorities. 237 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: From her own website. 238 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: There's a cop of the Mask doing their job in 239 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: Philadelphia from her own website. Secondly, if the American media 240 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: were to have reported the end of World War Two, 241 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: the American forces surrounded the home of the vegetarian Austrian 242 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: artist and his newly wet bride and so terrorized. 243 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Them that they were forced to commit suicide. Oh is 244 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: that good? I'm co writing credit to Mike the attorney 245 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: in Chicago, vegetarian artist and his newlywed bride. Yeah, they're 246 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: forced to commit suicide. That is fantastic. 247 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: If ABCNBCCBS news had reported Hitler's So, I just came 248 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: across the story in the New York Post, and they're 249 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: very New York centric and it's about something that happened 250 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: at a Broadway play that doesn't matter to any of us. 251 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: But it was a couple of women were being really 252 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: loud during a play, and apparently the crowd turned on 253 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: them and somebody yelled at them, and it became a thing. 254 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: And it just reminded me of a couple experiences I 255 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: had over the last several weeks where we went to 256 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: various shows that also kind of happened at the World 257 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: War Two Museum, where people are talking really loud when 258 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: there's some sort of performance going on, whether it's a 259 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: film or a musical performance or whatever. What is it 260 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: with you people? 261 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 5: Jeez? 262 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't Why are you? I always what I always wondered. 263 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to say out loud, I should say out loud. 264 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: I have yelled at people before who were loud in concerts. 265 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: I have done it. But I want to say why 266 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: are you here? I go tap on the show and 267 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: say I got a question for you. Why are you here? 268 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: You're not paying any attention to the music, You're really 269 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: loud having a conversation. You clearly want to talk to 270 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: you each other. Why don't you go somewhere else where 271 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: you could have an easier conversation than with a loud 272 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: band blaring in your ear. And, by the way, something 273 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: the rest of us paid money specifically to hear this. 274 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Not you, you. 275 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: Jackasses, right, Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. I've seen 276 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: it many times myself. 277 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: I think part of it has to do with the 278 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: whole life style of you. You're never paying attention to 279 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: anything entirely. You're always having a two screen experience. I've 280 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: sat down with at least one of my offspring. We 281 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: decide we're. 282 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Gonna watch something, a movie, for instance. We sit down, 283 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: they're flipping through the phone. I'm like, I thought we 284 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: were gonna watch the movie. I am. So you're there 285 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: at the World War Two museum or the concert or 286 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: the movie or whatever. You're also doing something else, Yeah, 287 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: maybe a conversation, maybe do them scrolling whatever. 288 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 289 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: It's a good way to coast through your life and 290 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: never experience anything worth experiencing. 291 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: But to each their own. The other thing I don't get, 292 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: and this is a museum thing I've complained about before. 293 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Why are you're taking your young kids there? They're bored 294 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: to death, you're annoyed, they're miserable. What are you trying 295 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: to accomplish there? God, the number of parents that I 296 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: saw and they got like four year olds, five year 297 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: olds are running around and you know, while people are 298 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: like reading about the Holocaust or whatever, or they're you know, 299 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: the dad's come on paying attention. Be quiet. You don't 300 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: want to be quiet because he's a five year old 301 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: boy who doesn't understand what any of this stuff is 302 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: or care. Why did you bring him now? Or you 303 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: don't get a sitter and come on your own if 304 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: you want to see it. But he's not enjoying it. 305 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I needed a baby. He does need to know they're there. 306 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know why you're there with the baby. The 307 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: baby has no idea they're even at the museum. They're 308 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,479 Speaker 1: just crying really like, well, because. 309 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: I want to go and I have a baby, but 310 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: I need to talk to an electrician, maybe my old 311 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: buddy rich the electrician. I need to know the exact 312 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: amount of voltage that I can like use in a 313 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: little cattle prod at museums that will, you know, get 314 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: people's attention, but not hurt them. People who specifically lean 315 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: over like the plow everyone wants to read. 316 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I want to hit them with just enough voltage 317 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: to maybe buckle their knees and get them out of 318 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: the way, because if you do that, I hate you, well, 319 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: I hate you to the depths of my soul. The 320 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: other one that's even worse because this actually does some damage. 321 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: We went to the big aquarium there in New Orleans, 322 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: which is really amazing, and the kids running around and 323 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: pounding on the glass with all the giant signs that 324 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: say don't hit on the glass because it bothers the 325 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: octopus or the fish or whatever. Climbing up on this 326 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: and throwing things everything like that was driving my son crazy. 327 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: I said, I know, I've had to try to get 328 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: used to it over the years. It's just like, what's 329 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: what the parents, well, how do you not? How do 330 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: you let your kids do that? Well, they suck and 331 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: their kids suck. 332 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: Suck is genetic that scientists prove that, here's my new 333 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: suk is passed down through the genes. 334 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: I explained this to my son. This is how I've 335 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: gotten through it. Recently, I realize this was going on 336 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: before I got here. It'll be going on after I 337 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: Leave'll be going on tomorrow and all year long when 338 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm not there. It's always going on at Joe's Aquarium. 339 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna have security and they're gonna know their jobs. 340 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: I love it. Lot, still working on getting fished, Armstrong 341 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: and Getty three receivers bots of the left. Becka's looking 342 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: that way's still looking, still looking. Tucks out fighting Pason 343 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: back with his legs, puts Miami on top. Put a drive. 344 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: So I watched when Miami beat Ohio State that game 345 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: while we're on vacation. They're pretty impressive and they were 346 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: the number ten seed. Miami. Now they're gonna be in 347 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: the championships. Yeah, that's why they play the games. That's 348 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: why they played. Oh you said that, You're absolutely right, 349 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: so so much gets the winner of Indiana Oregon tonight. Yeah, 350 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: which ought to be a great yea couple of high 351 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: powered offenses. Blah blah blah. 352 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: Anyway, so a couple of news items for you, and 353 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: then they more cerebral discussion. As we all are just 354 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: trying to figure out the modern world. It keeps changing 355 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: too fast. 356 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: You're figuring it out? 357 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably right, clem. Anyway, here's the headline for you. 358 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: The Buffalo Helmet guy, the q Andon Shaman has turned 359 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: against Donald Trump and says he's running for the governor 360 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: of Arizona. 361 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: All right, did he go to jail? Did Buffalo Helmet 362 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: guy go to jail or not. He actually had. 363 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: The toughest sentence handed out on the riot prosecutions, which 364 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: to me is absolutely ridiculous because of his head where yeah, yeah, 365 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, the prosecutors called him the public 366 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: face of the Capitol riot. It's got nothing to do 367 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: with the criminal code, now, man, I hated January sixth, 368 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: what happened. 369 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Then. I hated the over prosecution of a lot of 370 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: people who just wandered through open doors when they were open. 371 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I've walked through the United States Capital many, many times 372 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: and nobody arrested me. 373 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 6: You know. 374 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: It was just ugly on all sides. Anyway, don't want 375 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: to get hung up on that he's pissed off at 376 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: Trump because Trump is in the thrall of the Jews 377 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: in Israel and he's abandoned in America and isn't good 378 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: enough on the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. So old buffalo head, 379 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: it's about the Jews in Epstein. Ah, right, Moving along, thought, 380 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: this was really really interesting writer by the name of 381 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: Claire Layman who was writing about the women of January sixth, 382 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: and it's a new book and it's about two gals 383 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: in particular who were participants in the riot, and one 384 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: of them was sentenced to two and a half years. 385 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: Another person convicted and sentenced I don't know how long, 386 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: and I don't actually know what specifically they did at 387 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: January sixth, which is not the point Anyway. 388 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: I got a friend of the family. You probably remember 389 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: this if your listening time, friend of the family that 390 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: was walked into the capitol that day. She was in Washington, 391 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: d C. And she walked in and she got charged 392 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: with some sort of misty me or something or other. 393 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: But she's a full on qan on person. 394 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: Interesting. So in this book, well, so the article starts 395 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: with the description of this woman who is more or 396 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: less a cult leader. Galactic beings would come for. 397 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Their bodies, blah blah blah. 398 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: She was one of many online influencers who specialized in 399 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: spiritual themes and conspiracy theories, a crossover that has come 400 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: to be known as conspirituality. 401 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know about this. 402 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: It's handy because it actually works as a portmanteau, I 403 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: believe is the term for two words put together into one. 404 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: In the new. 405 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: Book The Conspiracists, the California researcher Noel Cook takes us 406 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: into the murky depths of conspiratuality and shows how these 407 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: beliefs hijack people's lives, and she focuses on these two gals, 408 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: Yvonne and Tammy. Yvonne was actually following the new age 409 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: glitter space aliens. 410 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Check who died? Excuse me, oh my allergies? 411 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: Oh, and was following this crazy woman who died and 412 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: they left their body laying around forever waiting for the 413 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: galactic beings to come and collect her. She was covered 414 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: in a glitter and she died. Her skin was blue 415 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: from ingesting large quantities of colloidal silver, which she thought 416 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: was a remedy for all ailiments. Anyway, turned out it wasn't. 417 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: It turns out it wasn't and the galactic beings never 418 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: showed up. Maybe they got bad directions anyway, So the 419 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: gal who who believed in all this turned to like 420 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: quanani stuff and ended up at January sixth. 421 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: In all and this other gal is also highlighted. 422 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: As I mentioned, the result is a highly readable case 423 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: study of female vulnerability in middle age and how easily 424 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: that vulnerability can be captured by online cults along with 425 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: their conspiratual beliefs. Yvonne and Hamy shared a number of similarities. 426 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: Both the women in their fifties. Their histories are marked 427 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 2: by significant trauma, including molestation or rapist children and abuse 428 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: and intimate relationships when they were adults. Cook, the author 429 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: describes their conspiratorial beliefs as an elaborate coping mechanism. 430 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: It is easier to endure. 431 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: Despair when one can enter a fantasy world online, particularly 432 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: one that casts the believer is an active participant in 433 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: the eternal struggle between light and dark. In this sense, 434 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: conspiratuality offers meaning, community and purpose. 435 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: Wow. I thought that was a wow moment too, And 436 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: what is striking to the portrait. What I like about 437 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: that is that helps explain to those of us who 438 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: don't have trauma in our backgrounds or whatever. It might 439 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: help explain why, you know, we're not looking for a 440 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't need a worldview that makes me feel comfortable 441 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: or fixes my life because I don't have that sort 442 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: of traumatic background trying to make sense of everything or whatever. Right, 443 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: So you know, so I don't feel susceptible to that 444 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and so I can't understand how other 445 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: people are. But that explains how they are so okay. 446 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've got to admit it was fairly late 447 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: in life that I was introduced to the concept that 448 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: people who have endured various traumas well sometimes do things 449 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: that seem counterintuitive. It's to regain a sense of control. 450 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: I've actually dealt with that a little bit with with 451 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: my kid, who is autistic and has a couple of 452 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: other issues, partly because it was so hard growing up 453 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: like that. The having the sense of control of I'm 454 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: running this even if it's being running poorly. 455 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Is being run poorly? Is? It's very very important. Yes, 456 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with that concept. Yeah, that is something. So 457 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: here's a little more though. What's striking about Cook's portrait 458 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: of Yvonne and Tammy is how little conventional politics actually 459 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: colors their views. Despite having stormed the Capitol on January sixth, 460 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: both women appear relatively uninterested in politics outside of sharing 461 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: memes about Democrats on Facebook. Their primary commitments are spiritual 462 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: rather than ideological. Donald Trump functions less as a political 463 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: leader than as a deity within a broader New Age cosmology, 464 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: and one is left with the impression that neither woman 465 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: would have been particularly interested in politics at all. Had 466 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: online communities not adopted Trump as a symbolic figure. And 467 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: this is one thing. It's funny. 468 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier in the show that I actually answered 469 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: the Emerson College poll. 470 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: Yesterday. It's pretty interesting. 471 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: They asked a bunch of different questions on the sort 472 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: that you generally seen in the newspapers as a recent 473 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: poll says. 474 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: How did they contact you? Text? They texted you and said, hey, 475 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: were Emerson, would you like to be polled? Yeah? And 476 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: you'd be willing to participate? And you believed they weren't 477 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: fraudsters trying to get here. 478 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's pretty clear they weren't. And I've actually 479 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 2: done it a couple of times. I'm not sure if 480 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: it was the emer some cool, but I've answered a 481 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: handful of pollse. 482 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: And it's funny. 483 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: One of the questions was do you consider yourself very conservative, 484 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 2: somewhat conservative, blah blah blah, somewhat liberal or very liberal? 485 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: And I answered very conservative because I am in the 486 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 2: classical sense. But these days very trumpy is often called 487 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: very conservative absolutely, which is interesting. 488 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: Oh. 489 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: The reason I launched into that screed was this. The 490 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: next couple of sentences, despite being described as right wing, 491 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: their beliefs are not conservative in any meaningful sense. Yvonne 492 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: and Tammy do not adhere to traditional religion, nor do 493 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 2: they conserve families, homes, or institutions. They are instead immersed 494 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 2: in a belief system populated by star seeds ascensioned into 495 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: five D, the divine, feminine, soul, contracts, and other New 496 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: Age concepts. Such ideas gained popularity in the twenties century 497 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: alongside feminism, environmentalism, and alternative medicine, movements that have never 498 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: been associated with the right, But in twenty twenty a 499 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: cultural shift took place. The pandemic ultimately served as a 500 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: super spreader of conspiracy theories. Reflecting on the Conscious Life Expo, 501 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 2: a New Age conference she attends in twenty twenty three, 502 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: I've been to an RV expo. 503 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: I haven't been to one of these, the Conscious Life Expo. 504 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: I'd actually like to go to it, she the author 505 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: observes that a program once dedicated to a nutrition and 506 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: environmentalism was now dominated by anti vaccine and anti government activism. 507 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: COVID drove both men and women to conspiracism. Men were 508 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: more likely than women to see COVID as a Chinese bioweapon, 509 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: a byproduct of five G technology, or a hoax cooked 510 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: up to make Donald Trump look bad. Well, women were 511 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: more interested in conspiracy theories involving children. 512 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: Let me jump in on a term you used that 513 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: got my attention, and so I just asked chat GPT 514 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: about it. Okay, soul contracts. Yes, it's believed to be 515 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: in a agreement made before birth between souls, laying out 516 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: certain experiences, relationships, or challenges will happen during a lifetime. 517 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: People who believe in soul contracts usually mean certain people 518 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: were meant to meet partners, parents, rivals, teachers, whatever that 519 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: was predestined. Doesn't sound like a lot different than some 520 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: like pretty mainstream religious beliefs. 521 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: So when I sold my soul to Satan at the 522 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: Crossroads at midnight to make me a mediocre guitar player, 523 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: that was not a soul contract. I should ask for 524 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: great guitar players. Just didn't occur to me at the time. 525 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Repeating life patterns are pre planned lessons as part of 526 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: your soul contract. So if you keep doing stupid things 527 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: over and over again, you can't help it. You got 528 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: you signed the soul contract. You should have asked a 529 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: lawyer that's interesting. I've never heard of that term before. Yeah, 530 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: it's part of New Age spirituality. Yeah, people are searching. 531 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: Chad GBT actually says at the end of this, there's 532 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: no evidence these contracts actually exist. Oh, thank you, that's funny. 533 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: And then this will sound familiar to anybody whose friends, 534 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: loved ones, etc. Or maybe you yourself have gotten caught 535 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: up in this. Much like the drugs that induce psychosis, 536 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: conspiratuality itself also functions like an addictive substance. When under 537 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: its spell, the capacity to enjoy ordinary life gradually narrows 538 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: relationships with people who are not users or followers fray, 539 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: and the world outside the obsession loses its poll People 540 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: addicted to online worlds, whether video games, online activism, or 541 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: elaborate fantasy belief systems, often experience the same contraction of life, 542 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: retreating into spaces that promise meaning and transcendence while quietly 543 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: turning away from everything else. 544 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: Oof. So these troubled people turning to these conspiracy things 545 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: to make them feel conspirituality make a sense all of 546 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: all it When traditional religion was bigger, would that have 547 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: been the solve for this? 548 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 7: Some? 549 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, which is not an indictment of religion, per se. 550 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't meant to be ill. No, I wasn't using 551 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: it that way though. No, no, hmm. But for whatever reason, 552 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: you're convinced by society that that's dumb, you go with this. 553 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: Wow, there's some really troubling stuff in this. But I 554 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: think it's been troubling enough. I need to find it 555 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 2: out on my soul contract. She's got to be a loophole, surely, 556 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: you just I don't know. Can I like buy my 557 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: way out of it? My soulmates a pain in the ass. 558 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: I shouldn't assigned the contract, should have gotten a lawyer. 559 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: That reminds me of something I saw Louis c K 560 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: say yesterday about relationships. I'll share that when we come back. 561 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, and I wonder how many 562 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: people feel that way. I hope not very many. 563 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: Among other things we'll talk about on the way stay here. 564 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 6: Oh. 565 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: I was just reading through New York Times review of 566 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: the Consumer Electronics Show. I want to talk about a 567 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: little bit of that. So it's the most interesting review 568 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: I've read so far. But this just came up in conversation. 569 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: I was watching Louis c K special The comedian who 570 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: I find I find him absolutely hilarious. I think he's 571 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: really brilliant at that craft. But some of his opinions 572 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: culturally and politically I hate so much. I have to 573 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: overlook those that one of those habits with coworkers too. 574 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: But man, he bounced back from that. Fine. It took 575 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: a while, took a couple of years, but the fact 576 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: that he would ask coworkers, do you mind if I 577 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: masturbate in front of you? And they'd say, well, you're 578 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: my boss, so I guess so, and then he would 579 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: he would do it anywhow He's bounced back, and but 580 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: he had this routine about I. 581 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: Do mind, just in case anybody's thinking of asking around here, 582 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: I mind A great deal back to. 583 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: You about being divorced and and that sort of thing. 584 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: And he said, there are two stages. There are only 585 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: two stages. You're either single or you're in a s 586 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: relationship I'll say crap relationship. So those are the only 587 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: two things that exist. And we all know it. You're 588 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: either single or you're in a crap relationship. Oh, I 589 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: know some of you and there in love. Just wait 590 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: your love now it'll turn into a crap relationship. They 591 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: all do. That's part of the cycle. So you're either 592 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: single or in a crap relationship. And I thought, what 593 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: an incredibly well wrong but just so negative, sad. Yeah, 594 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I thought. I said, Well, that's said. 595 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: I thought, that's just said. You're like your mid fifties 596 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: and you actually believe that, and that's what your your 597 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: kids are hearing. Wow, that's horrifying. How many people believe that. 598 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: In the crowd is laughing, and I thought, I hope 599 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: you all don't actually believe this. 600 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: That's yeah, maybe they're just laughing at how shocking it 601 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: is for him to say that. 602 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. The Consumer Electronics Show first, this 603 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: from the New York Times, which I thought. We actually 604 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: had a friend say that once essentially, and I know 605 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: his wife, and I was like, oh right, yeah, and 606 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not kidding. So he actually is in 607 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: a crap relationship. 608 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, but that he thinks that's the Yeah, 609 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: well some people specific, but he saw the beginning of 610 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: a relationship and. 611 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Said, you're doomed. I'm like, wow, that's rough. Yeah, that's rough. 612 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: So the Consumer Electronics Show is going on in Las 613 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: Vegas and people bring out their new products, and they're 614 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: usually like oftentimes like the very very earliest iteration that 615 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: nobody's even really gonna buy. It's kind of just introducing 616 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: the concept to the world, and then maybe five years 617 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: later everybody will be using them. But twenty twenty six, 618 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times, was the year of 619 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: the bad robot. At the Consumer Electronics Show, all kinds 620 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: of bad robots not quite doing what they claimed they 621 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: were going to be able to do. I was gonna say, look, 622 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: I bought a robot massage therapist. 623 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: It broke five of my ribs. The one that was 624 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: sticking out of my skin was. 625 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: The one that really bothered me. But they'll work on it. 626 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: You know. Trade a Testing tried to give you a 627 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: happy ending, and he yanked it right off. Oh boy, 628 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: thanks Louis c K. You had to go there. The 629 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: bad robot, or at least the very clunky one is 630 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: brands including Switchbot, LG sharpa Unitree showed off robotic machines 631 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: that could fold laundry clumsily, deal cards, slowly, play table 632 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: tennis inexplicably, and do mixed martial arts weirdly. Well, that's finally, 633 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to play table tennis for myself. I 634 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: can add my robot to it for me. Right, what 635 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: your companion, but I don't care what the price is. 636 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: I'll take two. Have you seen the mixed Martial arts one? 637 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 6: Though? 638 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: I just saw a clip of cole Beart making fun 639 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: of it last night. This guy is dancing and they're 640 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: doing mixed martial arts, just like the exercises, not fighting 641 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: each other, kick, swing, kick, whatever, and they turn. The 642 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: robot turns and kicks the guy right in the junk. 643 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: So it's unbelievable that it wasn't on purpose, but it 644 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't seem like it was on purpose. Oh, bad robot, 645 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: go to your charging station or something like that. But 646 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: in our four, which if you don't get the podcast 647 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Armstrong and get you on demand an hour four, I'll 648 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: get to the New York Times stuff that they thought 649 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: actually was good and worth taking a look at, and 650 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: maybe you'll buy this year and a couple of them 651 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: I think about. I'm definitely gonna look into so the 652 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: Year of the Bad Robot. We're just not quite there yet. 653 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: My ribs, my ribs, and we were on a tea 654 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: a table tennis partner. 655 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 2: And yeah, when I'm through scrolling through the internet because 656 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't have any real human interactions, I'll play table 657 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 2: tennis with my robot Oof and we'll meet the lifelong 658 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 2: farmer who's running for the Senate, Narcan saw Hayley's never 659 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: cared about anything but farming. At least that's the image 660 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: they're trying to sell. Okay, the truth about Haley the farmer. 661 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 2: It's pretty freaking hilarious. 662 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: And we got the end of the year lists that 663 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: we never got to at the end of the year. Yes, 664 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: that we're going to get to an hour four today, 665 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: so Ben, it's a huge hour four. If you don't 666 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: get to get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand, 667 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: you should subscribe. Then you'll just get it every day automatically. 668 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: That's the way to do Armstrong and Getty.