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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Democrat Analyzia Majia has won the

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Speaker 1: special election in New Jersey's eleventh district to replace Mikey Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you to die

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Speaker 1: that Jim Acosta shows. Jim Acosta stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: about Trump's market manipulation. Then we'll talk to actor director

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Speaker 1: Ben McKenzie about his new documentary on crypto Everyone is

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Speaker 1: lying to you for money. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Somali, the Supreme Court has just ruled in favor of

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Speaker 2: oil companies. Many people are saying it's the most predictable

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Speaker 2: rule in the history of that kind.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just am very impressed with their consistency.

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Speaker 1: It's like you didn't even really need to guess that

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Speaker 1: they were going to do that, Like you just knew

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Speaker 1: that was coming, right. It's like, who, I mean, I guess,

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Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense that they would find for

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Speaker 1: the oil companies because this Supreme Court is filled with

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Speaker 1: partisan hacks. But they do like Louisiana because it is

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Speaker 1: a red state. So that was the only reason why

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Speaker 1: I thought they might, but in fact they are just

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Speaker 1: partisan hacks, and so very unsurprisingly, there we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So one of the laws of Trumpism is

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Speaker 2: that there's always a tweet that will contradict what he's

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Speaker 2: presently saying. And so now as he's considering giving twenty

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Speaker 2: billion dollars to the Iranians for uranium, Iranian for uranium,

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Speaker 2: real tongue paster, we're dowlerting with this crypt was all about.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he just got over his skis and

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Speaker 1: is now trying to pay them off like a angry

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Speaker 1: ex wife. I mean, I don't know that this was

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Speaker 1: ever him playing three dimensional chess. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: trying desperately to get out of this world.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I was implying.

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Speaker 2: I was implying that when we were wondering with some

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Speaker 2: of the motivations to rush in like fools here, I

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Speaker 2: think we're starting to see it's the uranium, That's what

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to infer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't agree. I think it's

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Speaker 1: probably just that he thought he could do lots of

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Speaker 1: it didn't work. That's my guess, but I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure it'll play out in the deep

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Speaker 2: investigative reporting over the next few months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is all gonna but the reality is, Look,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is in a nightmare scenario for him. He

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Speaker 1: started a war he cannot end. We got all of

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Speaker 1: these troops over there waiting around. You've got the Iranians

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Speaker 1: blocking the straits. Now Trump blocked the straits. Now Trump

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Speaker 1: is saying the straits are open. It's a Friday and

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Speaker 1: the markets are open. Do you think the traits are

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Speaker 1: going to be open all weekend? I do not. I

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Speaker 1: think this is maybe market manipulation, maybe just like wish casting. Look, Dodd,

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Speaker 1: Trump has gotten really are on just lying to people

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Speaker 1: and having it work out for him. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of evidence to support this supposition that that's what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. Just more and more of that. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a real chance that I mean, maybe

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Speaker 1: they have a deal, but maybe they don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe none of this is true, right, Like why would

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Speaker 1: it be. I mean, I think there's a real chance

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Speaker 1: at all this is bullshit and that this just might

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Speaker 1: keep going. So you have to just assume that there's

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Speaker 1: a non zero thirty percent chance at all this is

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Speaker 1: just made up. And you know, because we've seen this before,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, will you know, get peace or this will

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Speaker 1: happen and it'll be bullshit. So I would not give

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Speaker 1: him the benefit of the down here.

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Speaker 4: Nope.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Johnson one of the worst people at their

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Speaker 1: You got to respect it, though, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, I love a lack

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Speaker 3: To getting good better at your job. Yeah, piz Overnew.

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel like with a Republican majority like this

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Speaker 3: And yet Mike Johnson has found a way to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know you're going to be surprised to hear this,

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Speaker 1: but a backbencher who has no cred no relationships, and

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Speaker 1: this coming. Discharge petitions are not supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: discharge petitions. That's because Mike Johnson is not in control.

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Speaker 1: And what we have right now is a Congress that

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Speaker 1: are this is this fies a renewal situation. Fis as

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Speaker 1: we all know, is the government spying on us, something

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Speaker 1: And so this is a really good moment for a

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Speaker 1: there are certainly centrist Democrats who love a war powers

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Speaker 1: get the past the finish line.

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Speaker 4: But he can't.

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Speaker 1: So they did another two week renewal. Look, this situation

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Speaker 1: is untenable for Mike Johnson and we're coming into a midterm,

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Speaker 1: but we have a summer of fuckery. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say saying which is going to make people mad

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Speaker 1: at me, because that's what I do. Here. If Democratic

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Speaker 1: and be like, you want five million dollars for your reelect,

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Speaker 1: here's five million dollars for your reelect. I mean, like, Hakeem,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, I know there are two

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Speaker 1: or three Republicans you could flip right now. You go

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Speaker 1: this up because there is no reason that Republicans should

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Speaker 1: control the House right now. Donald Trump is pulling I

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Speaker 1: saw polls in the low thirties today. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they're right, but like that's crazy numbers. Like you

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Speaker 1: go to those Republicans, you go to that Thomas Massy,

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Speaker 1: you say, become an independent caucus with us, and we

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Speaker 1: will support your reelect. There is no reason that this

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Speaker 2: Well, I did see that the five said that you

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Speaker 2: can't judge him by his approval rating because he's not

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Speaker 2: so she'd he should have exception to that.

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Speaker 1: Wait, who said that one.

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Speaker 3: Of the hosts of the Five. I believe it was Gutfeld.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Gutfeld. I love gut Felt. Give me some Gutfeld. Greg.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to see you die on this Hell happy

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Speaker 4: Greg.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of people who, man, you know, would you

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Speaker 2: hear reports of somebody going to the hospital from Stephen

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Speaker 3: Are you shocked to hear that they quit their job?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, this is my favorite. So it turns out

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Speaker 1: this is not a very fun place to work, even

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Speaker 3: Wait, ice isn't a fun place to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. As much as like this crew loves doing crimes

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Speaker 1: and loves, you know, hurting American people, they also hurt

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Speaker 1: each other. That's because her people hurt people, Jessey, that's.

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Speaker 2: True, and todd Lyons and Stephen Miller are hurt. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's why todd Lyons is out.

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Speaker 1: They even heard todd lions. People don't want to work

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Speaker 1: So now he's leaving and quite frankly good, like these

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Speaker 2: So one of the things we've seen is a lot

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Speaker 2: and one of those big, big wins for both him

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Speaker 2: and Kathy Okle is that the Trump administration, after losing

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Speaker 2: in court, has finally agreed to end the funding freeze

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Speaker 2: of a blow to Russ vote.

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Speaker 3: Who was going to you know, cross out this type

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Russ vote. You know this. We're

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Speaker 1: looking at the numbers right now in this administration is

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Speaker 1: spending more on defense than on social services. Did you

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Speaker 1: see that article like theytare, Yeah, there's some I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a graph like you can't fucking believe. I looked

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Speaker 1: about cutting spending. This was always about cutting services to

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Speaker 1: this coming a mile away. In fact we did was

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Speaker 1: miles away. It's good that the second the funding is

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Speaker 1: have is is it too late? Because American people are

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Speaker 1: one point, oh about like a radicalized alt right. But

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Speaker 1: treated by this government that it's just we can't even

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Speaker 1: quantify it. Jim Acosta is the host of Substacks of

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Speaker 1: The Jim Acosta Show and the author of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestseller The Enemy of the People, A Dangerous

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Speaker 1: Time to Tell the Truth in America. Jim Acosta, welcome.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Hello, I'm back. Nice to see you and hear you.

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Speaker 1: You have to come back a because I really like you,

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Speaker 1: and mostly because I really like you. Oh, it is peace,

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Speaker 1: but only during trading hours. The straits of Vermouth open.

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Speaker 4: The Strait of Vermouth is open. It's market manipulation Friday,

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Speaker 4: but it's really great. Every day is market manipulation day.

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Speaker 4: You know, to those who celebrate so.

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Speaker 1: And to the rest, none will be given.

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Speaker 4: Which is basically Donald Trump and the people on Wall Street.

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Speaker 1: But what you're seeing is like he needs part of

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Speaker 1: for trump Ism to work. People have to. Lucy has

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Speaker 1: to hold the football and you know Linus or Charlie

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Speaker 1: Brown has to run for it.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Brown, right.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Brown. Sorry, I got confused Charlie way too many

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Speaker 1: times then, But Lucy has to hold the football and

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Speaker 1: Charlie Brown has to run for it. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work if Charlie Brown doesn't run. And what it seems

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Speaker 1: like with Donald Trump's polling is that Charlie Brown is

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Speaker 1: starting to be like, maybe that no tax on tips

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Speaker 1: isn't gonna make up for the fact that gas is

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Speaker 1: now five dollars a.

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Speaker 4: Gallon, right exactly, And that door dash grandma might be

446
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Speaker 4: getting the shaft. I mean, that's just all the door

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Speaker 4: dash grandma's everywhere getting the shaft.

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Speaker 6: The door dash grandma who has also be a person

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Speaker 6: that the RNC that the Republicans used to testify on

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Speaker 6: other staff probably just a coincidence they couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Find a legit door dash granny because I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of old people who do have to take second

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Speaker 1: jobs to pay for their husband's cancer treat Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I have a breaking news bulletin. The oligarchs don't

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Speaker 4: give a fuck about door dash Grandma. That is the

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Speaker 4: long and the short of it. And that's just how

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Speaker 4: it is. And I'm sorry, but like you would be

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Speaker 4: policies being put forward by these characters, you know, this

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Speaker 4: group of characters that we've been dealing with for the

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Speaker 4: last what ten years of Donald Trump. They're all about

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Speaker 4: grinding down the door dash. Grandma's the people who are

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Speaker 4: struggling to make ends meet right now with prices. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump was just out in front of the cameras, I

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Speaker 4: think it was on Thursday, and was asked about the

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Speaker 4: high price of gas and he lost his shit. And he's,

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Speaker 4: first of all, so well, they're not that high, and

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Speaker 4: then the reporter goes, oh, it's four dollars a gallon,

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Speaker 4: and then he proceeded to go against your go off

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Speaker 4: on ABC News. Yeah, and you know that those are

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Speaker 4: revealing moments. I wish, you know, the press would show

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Speaker 4: these moments more and more because it tells us exactly

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Speaker 4: who he is and where he's at. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: wish somebody would ask him the question, when's the last

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Speaker 4: time you pumped some gas?

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Was it before or after nineteen ninety?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think he's ever pumped gas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and someone who was not pumped a lot of gas

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Speaker 1: in my life as you live in New York. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I also think he has

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Speaker 1: a driver or whatever. But like, I'm not convinced that

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Speaker 1: he's ever pumped gas.

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Speaker 4: No, I would be I would be willing to put

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Speaker 4: on the prediction markets that he's not ever pumped gas,

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Speaker 4: but but or that it hasn't happened since at least

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Speaker 4: home alone too, that he has that's.

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Speaker 1: Right before after Mark but iconic, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, to me, the Jordash Grandma moment said

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Speaker 4: a lot, because you know, first of all, there was

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Speaker 4: the you know, the fact that I mean, the economics

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Speaker 4: of it are just appalling and what we do to

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Speaker 4: basically the the you know, prototype prototypical Trump voter in

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Speaker 4: terms of economics of this. They're the ones who get

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Speaker 4: the hose the most and they keep coming back from

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Speaker 4: more and it's it's it's very depressing. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 4: a it's a tough nut to crack. But at the

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Speaker 4: same time, I mean, he was also trying to like,

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Speaker 4: you know, use these other talking points on her.

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Speaker 1: She was just like that was amazing. So she was

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Speaker 1: like well, what do you think about girls and men's

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Speaker 1: bore women and men? Yeah yeah, men and women's sports?

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Speaker 4: Go on, I do. He's down to these like, he's

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Speaker 4: like down to four or five sad, pathetic, krusty, the

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Speaker 4: clown talking points, and.

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Speaker 1: It's it's want to take away your cheese.

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Speaker 4: Hugging the pilet at the very end at the intercom

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Speaker 4: in Vegas. This is where we're at right now. And

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Speaker 4: he repeats these same talking points and doorda ash Granma

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Speaker 4: was like, I know what the fuck you're talking about? Man?

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Speaker 4: You know this is not a Wendy's or this is

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Speaker 4: a Wendy's or however that goes.

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole you know the fact that Republicans

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because it I mean, we're going to

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Speaker 1: segue now to my mayor's or a Mondani who said, right,

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Speaker 1: who has this piano tear tax? And so he has

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Speaker 1: this piano tear tax? And it will be if you

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Speaker 1: own a second home, second home, not a first home.

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Speaker 1: So if you're if you have a big if you

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Speaker 1: only have one mansion that's over five million dollars, you're okay.

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Speaker 1: But if you own a second home that's over five

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Speaker 1: million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And there's a lot of this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of if your second home is over

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Speaker 1: five million dollars, So that means like Ken Griffin just

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Speaker 1: bought a third apartment at seven and forty Park. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: then you and I actually think Ken Griffin is as

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Speaker 1: good as the as that kru goes. He's much much

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Speaker 1: much better than a lot of the people in that world,

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Speaker 1: much better than Elon. He like runs a real business.

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Speaker 1: He's doesn't treat he treats his employees relatively speaking well,

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Speaker 1: but he uses Mandami uses him as example. Uh, if

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Speaker 1: your second home is over five million dollars, you will

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Speaker 1: have to pay some kind of piano tear tax if

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Speaker 1: you don't live in it. So the idea here is

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Speaker 1: to target all of these apartments that are and houses

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Speaker 1: that are worth millions and millions dollars of dollars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody giant skyscrapers in midtown where we're like, who

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Speaker 4: the fuck owns these things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and that's actually a real phenomenon. And I

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Speaker 1: know people who live in buildings where there's nobody.

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Speaker 4: There's nobody there, right, because they're all owned by foreign investors.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're just plant. They're just a plant your money.

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Speaker 1: Because if you're you know, if you are in a

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Speaker 1: country and you're stealing, I mean, I think of the

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Speaker 1: Russians are a good example of this. You're stealing money

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Speaker 1: from your government, and you need to park the money

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Speaker 1: somewhere that you know nobody can take and you can

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Speaker 1: buy it in an LLC. It's like putting ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars in the bank right exactly exactly, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so you should have to pay the city for that.

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Speaker 4: I think some of these policies are right on the money.

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Speaker 4: I think you know, this is I mean, this is

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Speaker 4: kind of the natural progression from this second Gilded Age

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Speaker 4: that we're in the middle of right now. And this

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Speaker 4: mom Donnie proposal sounds a lot like you know, Elizabeth

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Speaker 4: Warren's billionaire tax and or billionaire taxes that have been

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Speaker 4: proposed by others. I don't want to just give her credit,

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Speaker 4: but you know, it seems to me that that is

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Speaker 4: that is kind of the moment we're in right now.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I hate to break it to you know,

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Speaker 4: some of these oligarchs who are just like, hey, we're

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Speaker 4: running Donald trumpfort now we'll dump him off on the

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Speaker 4: side of the road when he's when we're done with them,

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Speaker 4: and then we'll pick up JD. Vans or whoever. You know,

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Speaker 4: the public is ready to tear them a new asshole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They and the policies that are coming down the pike.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, they're not this ship. And yeah, they've

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Speaker 4: they've primed, they have primed the environment for these kinds

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Speaker 4: of policies. And so Mom, Donnie, you know, people will

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Speaker 4: always a socialist and they'll they'll rail against him on

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Speaker 4: Fox and stuff for proposing this kind of thing. But

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Speaker 4: people at home will be like, it's a second home.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like they've got the money to pay additional

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Speaker 4: tax revenue. Yeah, okay, that's fine. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 4: that's no brainer.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what's going on. And it strikes

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Speaker 1: me that the Republicans are not quite understanding, Like I

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Speaker 1: think of what happened last week, and it was not

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Speaker 1: such a reported story, but last week, guys through a

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Speaker 1: mazel top a malotof cocktail, a Malotov cocktail that was

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Speaker 1: nozzle to.

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Speaker 3: A molot.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, right in the Gaspajo police, we like Marjorie Tayler

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Speaker 1: Green now I take no pleasure to report Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Resistance, Marjorie Taylor Green. But through in the at

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Speaker 1: the home of Sam Alman, and Sam Altman thinks that

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Speaker 1: this maybe was because this person didn't understand that he

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Speaker 1: had a family. But but that's not why I think

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Speaker 1: this person did it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why this person did it. I

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Speaker 4: mean it may have something to do with this.

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Speaker 1: Sort of either they were in rage. I mean they

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Speaker 1: killed they killed the seal of United Healthcare, and a host,

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Speaker 1: a television host, was like, this is bad, and the

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Speaker 1: group of people in the audience refused to say it

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Speaker 1: was bad. They started booing him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, honestly, you know what we're gonna need

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Speaker 4: in very short order is a competent democratic party that

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Speaker 4: has figured out a message. Leaders of that party who

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Speaker 4: have figured out a message. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 4: none of them have on it.

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Speaker 1: Huh is on it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's on it. I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: got to hear it. But I do think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: and this is why I've been saying for a very

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Speaker 4: long time that I don't even know if we're seeing

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Speaker 4: who the twenty twenty eight nominee is right now. I

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Speaker 4: think somebody's going to come out of the woodwork. They're

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Speaker 4: going to start talking about these kinds of ideas that,

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Speaker 4: you know, to tone down sort of this I mean

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Speaker 4: mentality these days where folks are like, people want to

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Speaker 4: tear these folks a new asshole. They just do, and

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Speaker 4: you're going to have to come up with a panoply

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Speaker 4: of policy proposals. Sorry for the alliteration. No no, I

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Speaker 4: like at the end of the week that that go

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Speaker 4: to all of these feelings. I don't see how anybody

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Speaker 4: can get out on the campaign trail and talk about

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Speaker 4: ICE without talking about abolishing it. There are two stories

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Speaker 4: out today. Apparently there were some eighty five year old

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Speaker 4: French grandmother who marry this American gi over here in

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Speaker 4: the US, the American gi guide. She gets picked up

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Speaker 4: by ICE. This is New York Times today. ICE finally

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Speaker 4: got her out of the country and they deported her

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Speaker 4: and she lands in France and she's still wearing her

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Speaker 4: prison garb and she's eighty five years old. The stories

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Speaker 4: that are just coming out, and people are sick and

630
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Speaker 4: tired of this crap. They've they've killed two American citizens

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Speaker 4: or three American citizens already that we.

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Speaker 1: Know of with way more. Because that is.

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Speaker 4: If you're not talking about that, get the fuck out

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Speaker 4: of here. If you're not talking about national health care,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. It's just you're gonna have a really hard time.

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Speaker 4: You're just gonna have a hard time in the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Party running for president. I know Rob Emmanuel wants to

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Speaker 4: have the moderate lane, and he's gonna he's gonna go

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Speaker 4: into different events, he's gonna stream with people about how

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Speaker 4: they're they're blowing themselves up and they're not going to

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Speaker 4: win the presidency.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, I just the future.

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Speaker 4: I just don't. I just don't. Shot. But I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying that that I do not think that is where

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Speaker 4: people are going to be over the next three years.

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Speaker 1: And you, for yourself, I like, I like a centrist,

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Speaker 1: radical centrism. Someone think of the very very very wealthy.

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Speaker 4: What about that Elon Mush And maybe you know, watch

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Speaker 4: maybe Elon will come out and be like, I'm a

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Speaker 4: Democrat now and you know, let's I'm going to give

651
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Speaker 4: two hundred fifty billion dollars to rama Manuel and we'll

652
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Speaker 4: make him president.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, Ela, that will make that will really.

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Speaker 4: And I forgive me for being a nerd, but like.

655
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Speaker 1: You never have to ask forgiveness for being a nerd here,

656
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Speaker 1: I know.

657
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Speaker 4: And what happened in Hungary this week, yes, has been

658
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Speaker 4: absolutely extraordinary. And my favorite thing that has happened all

659
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Speaker 4: week is that this new is it magiar The new

660
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Speaker 4: prime minister went on the Hungarian state television and he

661
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Speaker 4: told them off to their faces for shitting on him

662
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Speaker 4: in the last several years, Yeah, not having them on,

663
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Speaker 4: and when they did talk about him, they were shitting

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Speaker 4: on him and his family. And he got in that

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Speaker 4: presenter's face and he just he just gave it right

666
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Speaker 4: to her, and I just absolutely and he talked about how,

667
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Speaker 4: you know, we're going to get rid of you. We're

668
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: going to get rid of all these assholes who have

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Speaker 4: been running this country to the ground, and we're going

670
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Speaker 4: to have a strong independent media that you know is

671
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: not perfect, but it is going to be doing what

672
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Speaker 4: the media should be doing, which is telling people what

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Speaker 4: the truth, what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, powerful people do account right.

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Speaker 4: If they can do it in Budapest, they can do

676
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Speaker 4: it here for Christ's sake. And maybe you know, instead

677
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: of Sea Pack having conferences. Maybe it'll be net Roots

678
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Speaker 4: or the pod Bros or whoever or anyone, or you

679
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Speaker 4: and I can have a conference in Hungry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will have the Yes, Jima, you and I

681
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Speaker 1: will be in Hungry.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could do a lot better than match Flap.

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Speaker 4: I've never been to Budapest, and I've always wanted to go,

685
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Speaker 4: and I've been told when you go, you're asked Buddha

686
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 4: or pest like that's like it's a thing.

687
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Speaker 1: Ben McKenzie is the actor known for his work in

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Speaker 1: the oc Southland Gossam, and he is also the director

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Speaker 1: of the documentary Everyone Is Lying to You for Money. Hi, Ben,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Vast Politics.

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Speaker 4: I'm really good to see you, as always.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. So tell me about this movie.

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Speaker 7: So this movie is Everyone Is Lying to You for Money.

694
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Speaker 7: It's kind of roughly based on the book that I

695
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 7: wrote with Jacob Silverman, but it's my investigation into crypto.

696
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Speaker 7: It's a comedy about how fucking stupid cryptocurrency is and

697
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 7: how mean and awful and moronic many of the people

698
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 7: the men involved in this are. And so it includes

699
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Speaker 7: interviews with Sam Bankman Fried and this guy Alex Mashinski,

700
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Speaker 7: both of whom are in jail right now for running frauds.

701
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Speaker 7: It includes testimony to the Senate that I did in

702
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Speaker 7: the aftermath of them going to jail, and then it

703
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Speaker 7: includes you know, interviews with victims and some of my

704
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Speaker 7: home life, so my much more famous wife, Mariam.

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Speaker 4: And it's a fun movie. It's like Michael Moore Louis Theireau.

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Speaker 7: But for the burning generation, where like we all know,

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Speaker 7: the Republicans sock obviously, but there's many members of the

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Speaker 7: Democratic Party and I'd love to talk to you about

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Speaker 7: that in terms of crypto, many members of the Democratic

710
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Speaker 7: Party that should be held accountable as well when it

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Speaker 7: comes to crypto.

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Speaker 1: I love your much more famous wife. She is a

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00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: delight and very adorable. I want you to talk about

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Speaker 1: that because we've talked about your book and about the movie. Now,

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Speaker 1: there is a regulation problem in both the Democratic and

716
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Speaker 1: the Republican Party.

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Speaker 7: Why because the crypto industry has made so much money

718
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Speaker 7: and where do they make that money from their customers?

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Speaker 7: Right right, They've made so much money, billions and billions

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Speaker 7: of dollars that in order to keep the scheme going,

721
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Speaker 7: they have to create new.

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Speaker 4: Rules for themselves.

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Speaker 7: Special rules so they're not treated like securities, so they're

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Speaker 7: not treated like banks, so that they're not even treating

725
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 7: like commodities. Really, so there was this terrible piece of

726
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Speaker 7: legislation that was passed last year called the Genie Act,

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Speaker 7: And knowing this Congress, if it's called the Genius Act,

728
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 7: it's got to be stupid, and it's really bad. It

729
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Speaker 7: allows corporations to issue their own currency, their own money

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Speaker 7: in the form of a stable coin, which is a

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Speaker 7: crypto that's supposedly tied to the dollar, so it's literal

732
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Speaker 7: corporate money.

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Speaker 4: It allows corporations to issue their own money.

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Speaker 7: If you think that's a good idea, first of all,

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Speaker 7: I question whether you're a Democrat or not. But secondly,

736
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Speaker 7: we have tried this before. We tried it in the

737
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Speaker 7: nineteenth century. It was called the wildcat banking era. We

738
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Speaker 7: allowed banks to issue their own currencies. It was bad,

739
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 7: there was a lot of fraud, and we scrapped the

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Speaker 7: system ultimately and went with a central bank. So we

741
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Speaker 7: tried it before, and it's a bad idea. But here's

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Speaker 7: what really pisses me off. Of course, the Republicans are

743
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Speaker 7: going to vote for it, but one hundred Democrats voted

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Speaker 7: for it as well, including Chuck Schumer, including Hakeem Jeffreys,

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Speaker 7: including my Congressman Dan Goldman, who is a rich dude

746
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Speaker 7: who inherited a lot of money and certainly should know better.

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Speaker 7: He is supposedly an anti corruption guy, right, That's how

748
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Speaker 7: he made his bread and butter. Politically is like doing

749
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Speaker 7: the impeachment trials against Trump, So what is he doing

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Speaker 7: voting for the Genius Act. I am supporting Bradlander in

751
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Speaker 7: the tenth and I would encourage people who are as

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Speaker 7: outraged about this crypto corruption as I am to support

753
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Speaker 7: him as well.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about the Genius Act, because

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Speaker 1: the Genius Act, I'm not even going to talk about

756
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Speaker 1: it because whatever, all this is like low key grift.

757
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Speaker 1: But I want you to talk about why you think

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Speaker 1: Democrats have had such a tough time standing up too,

759
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Speaker 1: Because I think crypto is part of a triumphran which

760
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: includes AI and also just all tech writ large. There's

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Speaker 1: corruption there, So I'd love you to talk about the

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Speaker 1: how and why of it.

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Speaker 7: Sure, it's the complacency, complicity, and corruption of certain members

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Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party. They are terrified of the crypto

765
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 7: lobby having hundreds of millions of dollars to spend either

766
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Speaker 7: on their behalf to support them or against them, to

767
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 7: try to defeat them, and sometimes they succeed. They spent

768
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 7: forty million dollars defeating share Brown and Ohio. He was

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Speaker 7: the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee when I testified

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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two. Obviously, you know, at least in

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 7: my opinion, he's a fantastic It was a fantastic senator,

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Speaker 7: very much supporter of the working class, and the crypto

773
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 7: lobby spent forty million dollars defeating him and supporting a

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Speaker 7: literal car salesman, Bernie Moreno, who is now the senator

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Speaker 7: for one of the senators from Ohio.

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Speaker 4: So they're afraid of him, I mean what I'm hearing

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 7: So there's another piece of legislation that's pending called the

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Speaker 7: Clarity Act, and the Clarity Act is a market structure

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Speaker 7: bill that would basically put crypto under the supervision of

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Speaker 7: the CFTC rather than the SEC. The CFDC is a

782
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Speaker 7: much weaker regulatory agency, and it has been a long

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Speaker 7: ban a goal of the crypto industry. In fact, when

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Speaker 7: I was interviewing Sam bankman freed. Back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 7: there was a bill on Capitol Hill that was affectionately

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00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 7: called Sam's Bill that would have effectively done the same

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Speaker 7: thing and put this thing under the CFDC.

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Speaker 4: So the crypto.

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Speaker 7: Industry is dangerously close to work. It's already far worse

790
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 7: than it should be given how corrupt crypto is, but

791
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 7: it's working its way into our regulated financial system. If

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Speaker 7: and when it achieves this, at some point, there will

793
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Speaker 7: be a reckoning. When the markets fall. Crypto falls the hardest,

794
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 7: the fastest Historically, that's what happened in twenty twenty two.

795
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Speaker 7: And you know I documented in the film. If crypto

796
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Speaker 7: is further tied into our regulated system, this can be

797
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Speaker 7: another subprime crisis. We can be bailing out all these jerks.

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Speaker 7: And you're absolutely right. It's not just crypto, it's AI,

799
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Speaker 7: it's prediction markets. It is the bastard child of Citizens

800
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 7: United and all of this money, this corporate money that

801
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 7: is just flowing into politics and corrupting our democracy, and

802
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 7: we have to stand up to it. Twenty twenty six

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Speaker 7: and twenty twenty eight may be our last chance is

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Speaker 7: to do so, because if we can't stem the tide,

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Speaker 7: this stuff is just going.

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Speaker 4: To get worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: So one of the ideas behind crypto was that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't tied to the financial markets. Right, Originally it was

809
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Speaker 1: like this, but it turns out it wasn't tied to

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Speaker 1: the dollar, and it was right, and it had its

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Speaker 1: own sort of decentralized currency. But that's actually not true,

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Speaker 1: is it.

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Speaker 7: No, No, it's highly centralized. I mean words in cryptocurrency

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 7: often mean the opposer or are the opposite of what

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00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 7: they say, right, the centralizes. Centralized currencies aren't currencies. Stable

816
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 7: coins aren't stable. It's nonsense. It's just total frickin nonsense.

817
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Speaker 7: And one obvious question is if you say the libertarians, oh, crypto,

818
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 7: it's not tied to any government, We're like, wooh, we're

819
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Speaker 7: not under the influence of this evil, supposedly democratic government

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Speaker 7: that we live in.

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Speaker 4: So where's the money come from.

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Speaker 7: If it doesn't come from the government. Well, they don't

823
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Speaker 7: like to talk about this, but it's corporations. The answer

824
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 7: is corporations, right, literal corporations in the form of world

825
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Speaker 7: liberty financial But even it's true of bitcoin. Most of

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Speaker 7: the bitcoin, the vast majority of the bitcoin that is

827
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Speaker 7: mined currently is mined by multi billion dollar corporations, many

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Speaker 7: of which are publicly traded. And so if you like

829
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Speaker 7: the idea of corporate money, then God bless you and

830
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 7: feel free.

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Speaker 4: To vote for crypto.

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Speaker 7: But if you're a Democrat, if we don't stand for

833
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 7: anti corruption, I don't know what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: I do not know what we're doing.

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Speaker 7: This is why people think we are the same as Republicans,

836
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 7: because some of our people like Dan Goldman, like Kakeem Jeffries,

837
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Speaker 7: like Chuck Schumer, vote that way.

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Speaker 4: What I'm hearing right.

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Speaker 7: Now is that Schumer is trying to influence though there's

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Speaker 7: a working group within the Senate Banking Committee that includes

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Speaker 7: people like Reuben Diego, who I like but has gotten

842
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 7: ten million dollars from the crypto lobby.

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Speaker 4: So we redisposed to like the.

844
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Speaker 7: Crypto lobby and Warner as I think, leading it. And

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Speaker 7: Warner has been kind of back and forth on this

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Speaker 7: issue quite frankly, He's been good in the past at times,

847
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Speaker 7: and now he's hedging and Schumer is trying to influence them.

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Speaker 4: This is what I'm hearing. To make a deal so

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Speaker 4: that the Clarity Act can pass. What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: What is the Clarity Act.

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Speaker 7: The Clarity Act is going to put Crypto under the

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Speaker 7: supervision of the CFDC, this weak agency that has historically

853
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 7: been much more favorable to crypto. It's going to treat

854
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 7: it as a commodity rather than a security. The reason

855
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 7: that crypto doesn't want to be treated like a security

856
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 7: is that securities laws are predicated on disclosure. You have

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Speaker 7: to disclose who you're giving your money to, what they're

858
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 7: doing with that money. Crypto doesn't want that.

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00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: Right.

860
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Speaker 7: If you knew where who owned all of the bitcoin,

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Speaker 7: if you knew who owned all of the trump coin,

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00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 7: if they were quarterly reports, if they had to follow

863
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Speaker 7: all these rules, then the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Might fall apart yet again.

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Speaker 7: So they're terrified of that, and so there's this whole

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Speaker 7: battle going on. And interestingly enough, the Clarity Act battle

867
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Speaker 7: is actually between the banking lobby and the crypto lobby,

868
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 7: because the crypto lobby basically wants to have they want

869
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 7: to act as banks without having bank rules.

870
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 4: And so you know you're in a bad place when

871
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 4: the banks.

872
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 7: Are the right side of history, right where the banks

873
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 7: are the ones who are actually trying to enforce some rules, right,

874
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 7: it's a very dark place we're in, and I'm very

875
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 7: worried they're going to try to jam through the Clarity

876
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 7: Act before the midterms.

877
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: The clock is taking they have to do it very,

878
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 4: very quickly.

879
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: The Clarity Act would prevent state regulation because it seems

880
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: as if there's this crazy thing that the FEDS want

881
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: to do, which is prevent regulation at the state level,

882
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Like the FEDS want to prevent state rag and this

883
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: is we just had somebody on Morning Toe to talk

884
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: about cal She and how cal she everybody's trying to

885
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: prevent state rag because they say it's a patchword of regulation,

886
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: but the but really it's because it's any regulation, right exactly.

887
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 7: And you would have states like you know, maybe California

888
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 7: or New York or whatever that would actually have regulation

889
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 7: with teeth and god forbid, the industry you know, had

890
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 7: to face any regulation with any you know, spawn to

891
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 7: it or any substance to it. So yeah, you flip

892
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: wildly back and forth because it's like, oh no, we

893
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 7: believe in states rights. Oh no, we believe in federalism

894
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 7: or you know, or believe in the federal government, like

895
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 7: you know, this is all just it's all just race

896
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 7: to the bottom of what can we get away with next? Right,

897
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 7: crypto doesn't have a product, Right, it's a security without

898
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 7: a product.

899
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: What are they selling you.

900
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 7: They're selling you lines of code on a blockchain that

901
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 7: bear no relation to any real world asset. So what

902
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 7: is that in sort of basic economic An investment scheme

903
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 7: with no product is a Ponzi scheme?

904
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: I do not know what to tell you. Yes, this

905
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: one has gone on a very long time.

906
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 7: Yes, it has gone up and down, and it was

907
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 7: up and now it's down a bit, but it's still

908
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 7: up from.

909
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: Where it was in twenty twenty two, sort of barely.

910
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 7: But these Ponzi schemes can go on a very long time.

911
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 7: And what's really dangerous is if the Ponzi scheme becomes

912
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 7: a part of the overall structure of the economy. This

913
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 7: has actually happened before in Albania. In Albania, they came

914
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 7: out of the rule of.

915
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: The non democracy, non affluent country Albania.

916
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, so they get out of the from under

917
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 7: the thumb of Russia. They don't know how free market

918
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 7: economy works, and a ponzi scheme takes hold and eventually

919
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 7: the government gets involved in it and it ultimately ends

920
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 7: up contributing to a civil war inside of Albania.

921
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: Fascinating little piece of history. But we are at such

922
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: a divisive time already in this country.

923
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 7: The last thing we need is people to trust this

924
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 7: is some less and for politicians to contribute to that

925
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 7: voting for corrupt legislation, right, no question.

926
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: So clearly you have money on one side, and you

927
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: have members of Congress who don't want to legislate on

928
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: the other. Is there any sort of civil action that

929
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: people can take when they've lost like there clearly has

930
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: been a lot of stable coin loss like huge losses.

931
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Is there any civil avenue for people have lost money

932
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: on crypto?

933
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: Oh? Definitely.

934
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 7: You can file class action lawsuits. There's many lawsuits. I mean,

935
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 7: there's so many lawsuits that have been filed across the board.

936
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, those are those

937
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 7: are reactive, right, I mean, in order to be proactive,

938
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 7: we have to have real legislation. And so you know,

939
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 7: if you're asking me what we actually should do, what

940
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 7: we have to do is we have to define all

941
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 7: of the speculative cryptocurrencies, which are all of the non

942
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 7: stable coins like bitcoin, ethereum, trump coin, fart coin, malania coin, whatever,

943
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 7: come coin, whatever it is, like they have to.

944
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 4: I think that's real coin com rocket, excuse me, com Rocket.

945
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: It's petareal, that's really, that's real.

946
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: Why I don't make this stuff up?

947
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Molly, come on, this is I thought you were kidding

948
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: because I thought that's so stupid. There's no way that's real.

949
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry. That's every day for may.

950
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: By the way, I have a bone to pick with you.

951
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 7: You put us on social media a while back that

952
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 7: we can't possibly be in a stupider time, and I

953
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 7: was like, Molly, you cannot say that out loud right now.

954
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: In the last two weeks, a lot of steps.

955
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 7: So here's what we have to do so that the

956
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 7: speculative cryptos, they have to be regulated like securities, because

957
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 7: just outlawing it's not going to work. It'll just go underground,

958
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 7: it'll just exist. The non speculative ones, the stable coins.

959
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 7: Those are cryptocurrencies that are pegged one to one with

960
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 7: the US dollar. They're supposedly worth the dollar, but they're

961
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 7: not actually backed by the full faith and credit of

962
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 7: the United States, and they operate sort of roughly outside

963
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 7: the banking system. So what is that to me? That

964
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 7: is a counterfeit dollar. That is a dollar that is

965
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 7: trading off of what we've built up over generations, if

966
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 7: not hundreds of years, the full faith and credit of

967
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 7: the United States government, the most powerful country in the world,

968
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 7: that Donald Trump is doing his best to destroy, but

969
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 7: right now still hanging on and they are working around

970
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 7: the rules. And what they'll do is if they get

971
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 7: their hooks into the regulated system, we're going to end

972
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 7: up bailing all these mfrs out. We're going to end

973
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 7: up bailing them all out again, which is exactly why

974
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 7: crypto was supposedly introduced in reaction to the subprime crisis.

975
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: It will have recreated the same thing that it was

976
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 4: supposedly against.

977
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: Right, you have an asset that's like subprime mortgages, though

978
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: used more broadly by retail investors in a way that

979
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: subprimes never were. And if you have a crash, because

980
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: it's the least stable, it will be one of the

981
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: worst hit too. Right, because there's no intrinsic value.

982
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's no intrinsic value, at least with subprime. Not

983
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 7: to defend subprime, but at least aspirationally, the stated goal

984
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 7: was to give people more homes. Right, So at least

985
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 7: at some point if you squint it hard enough, there

986
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 7: were homes in there somewhere.

987
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: Right. The over financialization was obvious. But the other thing with.

988
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 7: Crypto that's different from subprime is that there is so

989
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 7: much is hardcore criminal activity that is financed via cryptocurrency.

990
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 7: There is a crypto firm that released a study recently

991
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 7: that found or estimated in twenty twenty five, one hundred

992
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 7: and fifty billion dollars of illegal activity was facilitated due

993
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 7: to cryptocurrency one hundred and fifty billion dollars in twenty

994
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 7: twenty five alone. And that's a crypto company that's estimating it.

995
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 7: So I'm going to guess that's on the lower end

996
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 7: of the actual range. So you're talking about international criminal

997
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 7: cartels to give you an example of how fed up

998
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 7: this can be. So it's things like Russian oligarch selling

999
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 7: sanctioned oil to the Chinese via cryptocurrency in exchange for

1000
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 7: drones that they then send to Ukraine. It's an international

1001
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 7: it's like a it's a quasi form, it's a black

1002
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 7: market form of money, these stable coins, and it has

1003
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 7: become so big that is involved in almost every despicable

1004
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 7: activity you can think of it is isis it is

1005
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 7: North Korean hackers. Half of the North Korean nuclear program

1006
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 7: was fund did via hackers stealing cryptocurrency and selling it.

1007
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 7: It is a lot of child sexual abuse material. Jeffrey

1008
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 7: Epstein was originally one of the funders of bitcoin with.

1009
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: Of course he was a money launderer and international blackmailer.

1011
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: Of course he loved cryptocurrency.

1012
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 7: So these are I'm sorry, not the retail trading traders.

1013
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 7: God bless them. I think they're wrong. But if they

1014
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 7: want to wager their money and we offer them protections,

1015
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 7: then fine, it's a free country.

1016
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 4: Gamble with your money.

1017
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 7: But there are really bad dudes behind this stuff who

1018
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 7: are doing really bad stuff, and we have to put.

1019
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: A stop to it.

1020
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about Sam bankman Fred for

1021
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: a minute, because you interviewed him. Talk us through that guy.

1022
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: Sure, So I was spring up twenty twenty two.

1023
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 7: Five months later his empire would collapse and he would

1024
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 7: be arrested for this fraud. But at the time he

1025
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 7: was sort of he was not just hanging on. He

1026
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 7: was the top dog in crypto. He's the cover of

1027
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 7: Fortune magazine.

1028
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: Always a good sign.

1029
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1030
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 7: The guy that was interviewing him before me in the

1031
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 7: hotel conference room that I had booked. He would be

1032
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 7: on the cover with the with the headline the next

1033
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 7: Warren Buffett.

1034
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 4: Question mark right. And at the same time I'm interviewing him.

1035
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 7: And if you see the movie, I mean, I think

1036
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 7: you're gonna laugh your ass off at how well it's

1037
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 7: both funny and terrifying that this.

1038
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 4: Guy was in charge of this. Yeah.

1039
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 7: So he's this like thirty year old kid who's supposedly

1040
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 7: one of one hundred wealthiest people in the world.

1041
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 4: He's being fitted all over the place.

1042
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 7: He's just done a conference in the Bahamas that Bill

1043
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 7: Clinton was at that Tony Blair was at.

1044
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah not great. Look for Bilkln.

1045
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: Notice great or Tony, I would say.

1046
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Tony and Bill both make appearances. Yeah, exactly good.

1047
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 7: So I sit down with them and I'm look, I'll

1048
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 7: be honest in retrospect, I should have been even tougher

1049
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 7: on him, but I was asking him basic questions.

1050
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: What does it do?

1051
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 7: Tell me something that it does that's a value, And

1052
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 7: the only thing he could say there was remittances, the

1053
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 7: ability to send money overseas and not pay the transaction

1054
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 7: fees from like Western Union or money Gram or whatever.

1055
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 7: I had just been to El Salvador. El Salvador. The

1056
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 7: economy is built on remittances. It's a quard of the economy.

1057
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 7: They tried it with bitcoin and crypto didn't work. Nobody

1058
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 7: used to I show. It's a very funny segment in

1059
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 7: the movie where I walked through a market trying to

1060
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 7: pay for things in bitcoin and they look.

1061
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: At the screen and they're like, well, what are you

1062
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: talking about, dude. We need dollars.

1063
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 7: We need cash the dollars, right, So I said, bulloney.

1064
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 7: He couldn't answer. He then tried to like sell me

1065
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 7: on a coin that he owned a lot of called

1066
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 7: a salana.

1067
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: It was a mess, dude.

1068
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 7: And then the most freaked out that he got was

1069
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 7: when I asked him, well, how much money did he

1070
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 7: get into politicians? Because he was talking, he was growing

1071
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 7: on and on about how much money he was given

1072
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 7: away all these like good good causes like mosquito nets

1073
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 7: to prevent you know, the next COVID or whatever. I mean,

1074
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 7: there's all money that he stole from his customers.

1075
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: We would later find out, So, yeah, here's that.

1076
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 7: But like when I asked Hi about the politicians, he

1077
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 7: liked Froatz. He just couldn't answer the question, which at

1078
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 7: the time was really bizarre because it was public knowledge

1079
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 7: he was one of Biden's biggest donors. But the way

1080
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 7: I understand it now is that he didn't want to

1081
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 7: tell me. What would later come out is that he

1082
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 7: was running a secret straw donor scheme. There was one

1083
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Speaker 7: hundred million dollars allegedly, and one of his colleagues went

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Speaker 7: to jail for where they were secretly giving money to.

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Speaker 4: The Republicans through cutouts.

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Speaker 7: So you know, it was the most one of the

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Speaker 7: most bizarre, is the most bizarre hour.

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Speaker 4: Of my life.

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Speaker 7: And it's one of the sort of culminating moments in

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Speaker 7: the documentary, and I hope everybody sees it. There'll be

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Speaker 7: a clip that'll be released prior to the release of

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Speaker 7: the film so people can watch most of it beforehand

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Speaker 7: to get a taste. Thank you, Ben, Thank you Molly.

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Speaker 1: No moment perfectly, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: My So we keep seeing immigrant deaths and ice facilities.

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Speaker 2: So in the most Trumpian policy decision possible, you know,

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Speaker 2: if they've decided we're going to just try to hide

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Speaker 2: those statistics from you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are definitely people dying in ice facilities. We

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Speaker 1: just don't know. We just don't have transparency on it.

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Speaker 1: We just don't that's it. There are people dying in

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Speaker 1: ice detention centers. We know this to be true. We've

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Speaker 1: seen some reporting on this, but really we don't know,

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Speaker 1: and we don't know who's We don't know. So they're

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Speaker 1: reporting some immigrant that detainnees deaths, but there's certainly a

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Speaker 1: lot more. And it doesn't surprise me. We've seeing people.

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Speaker 1: Here's a thirty six year old man from Nicaragua with

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Speaker 1: you can trust them, can you trust them? I don't

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Speaker 1: know that you can trust them. I mean, just like

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Speaker 1: with Trump, Like once people have squandered your trust, why

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Speaker 1: would you ever trust them again. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: reason to ever take what this administration says literally or

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Speaker 1: physically or psychologically or any which way. You know. That's

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Speaker 1: Thursday and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics

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Speaker 1: make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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