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Speaker 1: invested in bringing social change to Hollywood through his art
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Speaker 1: Jordan recently reprised the role of a Donnis Creed in
Speaker 1: Creed three. I'm a big Rocky fan, so when Creed drop,
Speaker 1: you knew I had to see it, which had the
Speaker 1: biggest opening weekend for a Creed film and biggest domestic
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Speaker 1: As you're listening on watching today, Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Michael B.
Speaker 4: Jordan.
Speaker 2: Mike, it's great to have you.
Speaker 4: Very appreciate it, Man, that introduction is great. I just
Speaker 4: carry you around with me everywhere I go and just
Speaker 4: introduce me places. But no, I appreciate it. Thanks for
Speaker 4: having me man.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to add also, like in the few
Speaker 1: moments we've spent together, even just walking in, you know,
Speaker 1: if I can add to that intro, you know, extremely humble,
Speaker 1: gracious and like thoughtful, like it's it's almost a nice
Speaker 1: meeting that and I and I love that this platform
Speaker 1: is a space that can come out and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about that. You were saying that you know,
Speaker 1: you've almost been looking for a space where you can
Speaker 1: share that because.
Speaker 2: You don't do a lot of press.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: You know, it's seasons for it, you know, obviously, you
Speaker 3: know when you have a project coming out or something
Speaker 3: you need to promote. You know, there's it's a part
Speaker 3: of that, that news cycle. But for me personally, I
Speaker 3: try to you know, kind of say to myself a
Speaker 3: little bit and and very cautious of how you want
Speaker 3: people to get to know you, you know, when you
Speaker 3: have opportunities to speak and share things about yourself and
Speaker 3: not kind of you know, be a part of sometimes
Speaker 3: other people's agenda.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So so that's uh.
Speaker 3: But but been a big, big fan of yours for
Speaker 3: for a long time and the work that you've done
Speaker 3: and you are currently doing, and it felt like this
Speaker 3: was a good good time to you know, to get
Speaker 3: out and talk and and uh, you know, share some
Speaker 3: things about me. I guess you know, I've a it's
Speaker 3: been it's been a journey. You know, it's been it's
Speaker 3: been a journey. So uh, you know, this is a
Speaker 3: nice little check in point.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I love that well, I appreciate the
Speaker 1: trust and I love that checking point because it must
Speaker 1: be fascinating to look back at something and then think
Speaker 1: about where you were in life, what was going on
Speaker 1: in your mind. So I wanted to start with there
Speaker 1: was this one thing you said in an interview, and
Speaker 1: we were talking about this earlier, this idea of written
Speaker 1: versus being able to explain, and there was this great
Speaker 1: point you made that I think people wouldn't recognize with
Speaker 1: the amount of success you've had, the hits you've had.
Speaker 1: You know, I think people want to know about you
Speaker 1: and learn about you. But you said, when you come
Speaker 1: from where I come from and everybody doesn't get those
Speaker 1: breaks that luck, you start to question why am I
Speaker 1: successful in life? Why did I go this way and
Speaker 1: everybody went that way? And I just thought that that was,
Speaker 1: you know, again extremely humble and also representative of where
Speaker 1: you grew up, how you came up, Like which way
Speaker 1: did everyone go and where did that luck begin for you?
Speaker 3: You know, I think coming up in North New Jersey,
Speaker 3: coming up in that environment, and you know, having you know,
Speaker 3: when you're younger, you know you're living life. You know
Speaker 3: you're taking it a day at a time. You know
Speaker 3: you're going a boat, well practice, you're going to school,
Speaker 3: you know you're going to church, you know you're you're Yeah.
Speaker 3: For me, it was you know, taking a lot of
Speaker 3: trips to New York City, going on auditions at a
Speaker 3: really really young age and just figuring out what what
Speaker 3: what that is? Having having parents pretty aware, you know,
Speaker 3: and and very present in my life, you know, growing up. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, that was that was rare amongst my family,
Speaker 3: amongst my friend group, you know, having both parents that
Speaker 3: was there and very present and aware of my environment
Speaker 3: as well. You know what what uh, you know, being
Speaker 3: told to look out for these things and uh make
Speaker 3: good choices, to be disciplined, to be focused on things,
Speaker 3: you know, get your school, you know, all the the
Speaker 3: you know, the the positives and in growing up in
Speaker 3: an environment like that, and you know, hats off to
Speaker 3: my parents and to uh to sacrifice so much to
Speaker 3: make sure their kids, you know, were safe and grew
Speaker 3: up and you know, and you know, grew up in
Speaker 3: an environment ain't easy making ends meet, you know, grew
Speaker 3: up very poor, but didn't.
Speaker 4: Feel like it. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 4: very you know, I think they did a good job
Speaker 4: at hiding those things. You know. I think as we
Speaker 4: get older, we look back.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh man, we went through that or
Speaker 3: that's why we slept in the kitchen at one time
Speaker 3: with the oven open, or oh, that's when we stayed
Speaker 3: at Grandma's house for like, you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks when you you know, so you get that reflection
Speaker 3: of how we kind of grew up. And and I
Speaker 3: think for me, you know, always having a you know,
Speaker 3: a bigger purpose, I think, or just you know, just
Speaker 3: that optimism.
Speaker 4: You know that that I was a big dreamer as.
Speaker 3: A kid, and I think, you know, you start to
Speaker 3: not just to focus on the just the work of
Speaker 3: it all. But since I was working such a young age,
Speaker 3: that's the thing that I can kind of point to of,
Speaker 3: you know, booking auditions and getting this job and traveling
Speaker 3: to this place and experiencing these things and coming back
Speaker 3: home with these experiences and not having a lot of
Speaker 3: people who could relate or could you know, I could
Speaker 3: soundboard off of. And I think in feeling like that,
Speaker 3: you don't want to alienate those people, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think, and this is all I guess, in hindsight,
Speaker 3: you don't share these stories as much. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: you should because you don't want somebody to feel like
Speaker 3: inadequate or you know, not being able to have that
Speaker 3: experience that you might have had. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: that's snowballs. As you get older and from stepping stone
Speaker 3: to stepping stone, as as I continue to be successful
Speaker 3: at at at a young age, you start to question
Speaker 3: why am I being so successful? And the people that
Speaker 3: look just like me, that are right next to me
Speaker 3: and these everyday things aren't necessarily doing that or not
Speaker 3: choosing to you know, just didn't have those options that
Speaker 3: were laid out to them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I think it you start to doubt yourself for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, or feel guilty for.
Speaker 2: The things that you may or may not have, even.
Speaker 3: Though you know, our parents were people of service, you know,
Speaker 3: block parties or you know, cooking church dinners or.
Speaker 4: You know whenever.
Speaker 3: You know, my house was the house that everybody came
Speaker 3: to at some point, whether we were going to get
Speaker 3: pizza that night, or Dad was going to take everybody
Speaker 3: camping or going to these things like it was that
Speaker 3: was kind of my house, within within my neighborhood and community.
Speaker 3: And and so I think for me being a person
Speaker 3: of service kind of because you know, it's kind of
Speaker 3: comes from how I was raised. And and those are
Speaker 3: the examples that I knew growing up. I always felt
Speaker 3: lucky too. As you become more successful and you you
Speaker 3: see less people look like you that are being successful
Speaker 3: in this in this realm, and you end up being
Speaker 3: the one guy that looks like me that successful or
Speaker 3: the couple guys that are the usual suspects that you
Speaker 3: see in the audition room or in things of that nature.
Speaker 3: You know, you start to sometimes question.
Speaker 4: Why, why why are you now? I can?
Speaker 3: I feel as though it was my It was my path,
Speaker 3: you know, it was my purpose and spirituality and growing
Speaker 3: up in a in a household that was very focused
Speaker 3: on you know, you know, church and spiritual and meditation
Speaker 3: and and and just being.
Speaker 4: Aware of the world that we live in.
Speaker 3: You know, I felt I was destined for for something,
Speaker 3: not knowing what that was, but just something.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I'm when I'm hearing that, it
Speaker 1: sounds like I love what you said. You were like
Speaker 1: you know, they hit we were poor and we didn't
Speaker 1: even see that. But this idea of like you sound
Speaker 1: So when I when I see you talk about your family,
Speaker 1: and for those of you're watching, you can see it
Speaker 1: on Mike's face. But there's so much joy and there's
Speaker 1: bliss and there's like a there's like a happiness when
Speaker 1: you're looking back on that time, Like I can see
Speaker 1: it's a positive experience because of how you feel you've
Speaker 1: been loved and cared for and supported, even though the
Speaker 1: resources may not have been there or the access or opportunities.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering when I was listening to you, like,
Speaker 1: is there a memory or an experience from your childhood
Speaker 1: that you think defines who you are today? Like, was
Speaker 1: there a memory or a story that you have in
Speaker 1: your mind of an experience you went through that you
Speaker 1: think brings out maybe that service element or brings out
Speaker 1: that purposeful element.
Speaker 3: And I think there's this blissedness, this this appreciation for
Speaker 3: how I grew up comes in hindsight, you know, like
Speaker 3: you know the first time you have a moment where
Speaker 3: you're like pick up the phone, you know, one morning
Speaker 3: you just call your mom and be like thank you.
Speaker 4: I get it, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for for being that kid at some point,
Speaker 3: and I'm so sorry for not understanding.
Speaker 4: I totally get what you guys are going through.
Speaker 2: Sheesh. I love you guys.
Speaker 3: You know, like you have those moments when you get older,
Speaker 3: you know that you just can't really have that perspective
Speaker 3: when you're When you were a kid, and I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I was very mischievous, you know as well.
Speaker 3: And I think there were moments when my dad disciplined me,
Speaker 3: you know, for for for whatever the you know, whatever
Speaker 3: I did at that time, and then my mom would
Speaker 3: have a conversation around the why and then being also
Speaker 3: forced or pushed and nudged into a space where you
Speaker 3: had to acknowledge your siblings also, you know, in that
Speaker 3: situation and the importance of family and what that means.
Speaker 3: You know, my parents have different upbringings, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying from you know, uh, and different families structures
Speaker 3: growing up, but one thing they've always provided us with
Speaker 3: is just a sense of like family over everything, you know,
Speaker 3: and how important that is, and that just kind of
Speaker 3: kept the groundedness to me throughout. So I think just
Speaker 3: the experiences of just family.
Speaker 2: I like your point of behind sight.
Speaker 1: I've definitely made that call to my mom for sure, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made that call to my mom when we were
Speaker 1: on the same age. So for me, it's like I've
Speaker 1: made that call and I think I made it probably
Speaker 1: like twenty five. It was probably around them when I
Speaker 1: finally made that call, And not that I did love
Speaker 1: my mom before that, of course I did, but it
Speaker 1: was like that honest understanding of just how hard it
Speaker 1: was to do what she did because she was raising
Speaker 1: two kids, she was dropping us to school, picking us up.
Speaker 1: She was the breadwinner of the family. She made us breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner fresh every day. And you don't recognize that
Speaker 1: as a kid. You don't realize the sacrifice, the hustle
Speaker 1: and always making you feel loved on top of doing
Speaker 1: all of that. It's hard work. You've talked to you
Speaker 1: said that now you feel you've got to a place
Speaker 1: that it's your path. What was that switch for you
Speaker 1: that went from like I don't deserve this God, like
Speaker 1: I feel out of place, I'm lucky, to being like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: now I see it as this was meant to be
Speaker 1: my path because I think a lot of people and
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners will be there, like a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like they're making moves and maybe
Speaker 1: their first person in their family to go to college,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're the first person who started up a
Speaker 1: business as an entrepreneur, or maybe one of our listeners
Speaker 1: is trying to break generational trauma and they're the first
Speaker 1: person to spot it. Yes, but then they all live
Speaker 1: in that space like can I do this? Like am
Speaker 1: I the one to do this? And so what was
Speaker 1: it that made that switch from like I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I'm the guy, but oh it is my path.
Speaker 3: It's the sum of all things leading up into that point.
Speaker 3: I think it's all the doubt. It's the impostor syndrome.
Speaker 3: It's the blessings that you can't really accept fully. And
Speaker 3: you listen to other people's who are successful, or you
Speaker 3: see examples that you kind of feel connected to, like man,
Speaker 3: that that kind of feels like me, or what he
Speaker 3: just said or what she just said. I kind of
Speaker 3: I resonate with that, you know, I feel like that
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know other people who are looking at you saying, no, Mike,
Speaker 3: this is what you have, this is what you can be, this.
Speaker 4: Is what you are. Nah, nah, I can't know that.
Speaker 4: That's too good.
Speaker 2: No, that ain't me.
Speaker 3: You know, your own presence in a situation where you
Speaker 3: have to step back and look at yourself.
Speaker 2: And be like, am I this guy right now? Like,
Speaker 2: oh man, there's a room.
Speaker 3: Full of people who showed up because it's something I'm
Speaker 3: doing and they're in service or in support of my idea,
Speaker 3: my thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, that looks and feels like I'm the guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're in I'm in the industry where you know,
Speaker 3: you're the success of your work and your art has
Speaker 3: been you know, dictated and validated by other people's opinions,
Speaker 3: and whether those opinions are factual or projected on you
Speaker 3: from their own individual perspective. I think it's it was
Speaker 3: a combination of all those things. And I've always been
Speaker 3: curious and walked towards the how do I make myself better?
Speaker 3: What are the things that I need, the tools that
Speaker 3: I need in order to improve myself the way I think,
Speaker 3: the way how do I maximize myself? You know, so
Speaker 3: from I think getting a you know, an executive coach,
Speaker 3: you know who talks to executives all day and and
Speaker 3: and you know how to create healthy conversations, the right
Speaker 3: type of conversations that have as you're building a team
Speaker 3: around you, because.
Speaker 4: You know, as you know, it's not just us, you know,
Speaker 4: we have an.
Speaker 3: Entire team of people that surround us that help us
Speaker 3: achieve our dreams and get the big idea done. A
Speaker 3: spiritual advisor, a spiritual coach that I have who you
Speaker 3: know helps me, uh do my energy work, my spiritual work,
Speaker 3: and and and and help sift through the noise and
Speaker 3: and and and find those things. And I think it
Speaker 3: wasn't until I had, you know, roles that challenged my
Speaker 3: spirit and myself in a real way that that that
Speaker 3: that and the weight and where the attention was so
Speaker 3: loud that it was you know, it was deafening, and
Speaker 3: it was and I couldn't you know, see clearly. And
Speaker 3: you know these champagne problems, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, you know that like you know, we're blessed,
Speaker 3: so but the weight is so heavy, you know, and
Speaker 3: people sometimes think and they see what we have or
Speaker 3: what you know, or what we're you know, what we're doing,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, just be grateful, you know, or
Speaker 3: just you know, what are you complaining about?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And and you know most people wouldn't be to walk,
Speaker 3: you know, a block in our shoes, you know, with
Speaker 3: with this stuff. And I think it was and you
Speaker 3: have moments where you you resent things and you're angry
Speaker 3: at you know, the feelings that you accumulate for not
Speaker 3: being clear or or not understanding you know why this.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of wise and you're not going to
Speaker 3: get all the answers, but you want to, you know,
Speaker 3: be able to get to a place where you're you're clear.
Speaker 4: So to answer a question, when did I decide? When
Speaker 4: did I like, you know, when did I feel like that?
Speaker 3: Maybe two years ago, maybe a year ago. You look
Speaker 3: at where your family has come from, and shit, look
Speaker 3: at your bloodline. You know you look you look at
Speaker 3: you know your community. You're like, man, there's a cycle
Speaker 3: there from generation to generation that happens when you get
Speaker 3: to yourself.
Speaker 2: And you're like, man, can I stop this?
Speaker 4: Can I change this?
Speaker 2: I could do this.
Speaker 3: Once you it's like once you, once you know better,
Speaker 3: you got to almost do better. Once you see it,
Speaker 3: you can't unsee it. And I refuse to ignore it.
Speaker 3: I refuse to see it an opportunity that I had
Speaker 3: to change things and act like it didn't exist. And
Speaker 3: I think that was the thing for me that I
Speaker 3: was like, nah, I gotta, I gotta If that's my purpose,
Speaker 3: if that's my path is to just see it and
Speaker 3: I can see the pieces and that if I can
Speaker 3: just continue to do this, or if I stay down
Speaker 3: the pathway on that and I might be able to
Speaker 3: make a big difference in my nephew's life or my
Speaker 3: my future children's, my future grandchildren's life. I gotta do
Speaker 3: that because there's been so many people that might that
Speaker 3: didn't that that it wasn't the perfect storm for them
Speaker 3: to have that opportunity.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the right time in the world.
Speaker 3: Technology wasn't there, the resources, the right social conversations are
Speaker 3: being had for for us to have these platforms and
Speaker 3: speak and be successful the.
Speaker 4: Way we are. You know, you gotta you gotta do it.
Speaker 3: And I think that was a big part of it,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, understanding my own mortality, you know,
Speaker 3: and understanding you know, you know, life isn't you know,
Speaker 3: isn't a forever thing. And I think that happens when
Speaker 3: you get older too, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, just turned thirty seven, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 3: I vividly remember, you know, fifteen, I vividly remember twenty one.
Speaker 3: I remember vividly remember twenty five, thirty, you know, And
Speaker 3: I used to look at thirty five thirty seven like
Speaker 3: like ancient you know, what I'm saying, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh man, we're here, and it's like, you gotta do
Speaker 3: what you gotta do while you're here and make an impact.
Speaker 3: You gotta fulfill your You got to fulfill yourself whatever
Speaker 3: that may be, you know.
Speaker 4: And uh and I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that that moment for me where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I can do this. I can Maybe a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, I think it was like right as I
Speaker 3: was stepping into directing Creed three and the weight of
Speaker 3: that and being the captain of the ship the first
Speaker 3: time being the captain of the ship in the you know,
Speaker 3: I've made movies before, you know, I've done that. I
Speaker 3: know what that's like, but I've never ever been the director,
Speaker 3: you know, the captain of the ship. And I think
Speaker 3: that responsibility, that pressure that you know, I'm not a dad,
Speaker 3: you know, but being everybody's looking to you for the answer,
Speaker 3: for the solve, for the leadership. And I think that
Speaker 3: really thrust me into a mindset of of leadership that
Speaker 3: I never quite had the opportunity to do before.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much in that great I like it.
Speaker 1: I prefer it that way because I'm connecting all the
Speaker 1: dots as you're speaking, and there's a I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many things I want to unpacked with that. One
Speaker 1: of the things that really resonated is this idea that
Speaker 1: you had to challenge yourself, you had to do something
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone, in order to even recognize
Speaker 1: that you could become, that you could be, and that
Speaker 1: you could develop. And often we're waiting to become before
Speaker 1: we take on the challenge. But it's the challenge that
Speaker 1: makes us become that person. And I think we resist
Speaker 1: even what you said earlier about the opportunities, this idea
Speaker 1: that if you have opportunity, and there's an Eastern spiritual
Speaker 1: teaching which talks about if you have opportunities and you
Speaker 1: don't take them, that's a disservice to humanity because they're
Speaker 1: opening up to you without your even without your will.
Speaker 1: Sometimes right like there's some of us and we'll sabotage
Speaker 1: ourselves because we'll say, oh, well, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't ask for that. I didn't I didn't know that
Speaker 2: was for me.
Speaker 1: And so I love the idea of anyone who's listening
Speaker 1: or watching what Mike saying, I love the idea of
Speaker 1: leaning into that opportunity that is opening up for you.
Speaker 2: And even if you.
Speaker 1: Don't have the skills and you don't have the talent yet,
Speaker 1: or you don't have all of the tools and the abilities,
Speaker 1: it's going to.
Speaker 2: Force you to develop them for sure.
Speaker 1: And you talk about the coaching, I want to go
Speaker 1: back to then and ask you about that, because you
Speaker 1: want to be better mentally, physically, spiritually. It's it's a
Speaker 1: big part of who you are. And even the projects
Speaker 1: you take on which I want to dive into that
Speaker 1: you said roles that challenge your spirit, Even that idea
Speaker 1: that you're looking at a role not as oh, what's
Speaker 1: the next movie to get me the thing, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's going to challenge my spirit. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: what has been your best habit or tool uniquely that
Speaker 1: you've developed for your body, your mind, and your spirit individually.
Speaker 1: What have been things that you've done with your coaches
Speaker 1: in different areas that you think has brought about new epiphanies,
Speaker 1: opportunities and ideas. What have been those tools and hacks
Speaker 1: that maybe people could lock into as well.
Speaker 3: I think there's this woman, Ramona Oliver, that have known
Speaker 3: me in my entire life. You know, she's my spiritual
Speaker 3: advisor and coach. And you know, I think starting the day,
Speaker 3: you know, in meditation, you know you're taking a moment
Speaker 3: to clear yourself and prepare yourself for the day. It's
Speaker 3: so important to step out of your home with intent
Speaker 3: and intention. A lot of times it's what are you
Speaker 3: projecting on a situation to help it manifest instead of
Speaker 3: negatively thinking about things that can help block your blessings.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a big thing, you know. So so
Speaker 3: I think, I think and we all have moments of negativity.
Speaker 3: That's part of it. You know, it's ying yang. You're
Speaker 3: never going to fully get rid of that. But to
Speaker 3: practice those things in the morning, I think was a
Speaker 3: big help for me.
Speaker 4: You know, you shoot movies and you're doing things, you're
Speaker 4: walking out.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's there's your stories of people that
Speaker 3: just can't get a break sometimes and and for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: it could be from stepping off the curve, twisting the
Speaker 3: ankle to you know, the parking ticket, to the thing
Speaker 3: to the oh, I just can't get a break. And
Speaker 3: there's certain people that carry this cloud, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think some of that can be contributed to the
Speaker 3: thought process and the thinking and.
Speaker 4: The energy that you're putting into these things. And and
Speaker 4: it's sometimes easier said than done.
Speaker 3: But to stop up and to reframe and to clear
Speaker 3: yourself into you know, no, I'm walking in this light today,
Speaker 3: and see how much of a difference that can make.
Speaker 3: And more on the structurally side, this guy Drew Coogler,
Speaker 3: who no relation to Ryan Coogler, who was a uh,
Speaker 3: you know, executive coach and and you know, as my
Speaker 3: ambitions grew from a production company to brand marketing consulting
Speaker 3: companies to you know, just the products and the businesses,
Speaker 3: you know, the conversations I need to have with the team,
Speaker 3: you know, and leadership and the everybody's coming from different backgrounds,
Speaker 3: and how do you speak everybody's love language because everybody
Speaker 3: You have to speak differently a little bit to everybody
Speaker 3: so they could receive it the way you meant it,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think having the quality of conversations
Speaker 3: is something that was really helpful for me, meaningful conversations
Speaker 3: and giving people the space to hear me and also
Speaker 3: hold them accountable to the things that I need to
Speaker 3: hold them accountable for. I think though the combination of
Speaker 3: the two allowed me to look at situations and opportunities
Speaker 3: differently for people to look at me differently, because it's
Speaker 3: also a troubling thing when you're walking around as talent
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 2: That's how they see you, you know, and have an identity,
Speaker 2: have an identity.
Speaker 3: That's how that's what they're So there's this there's these
Speaker 3: kid gloves that come along with that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying that is it's not everybody's fault. That's
Speaker 3: everybody's in a role. You have to sometimes just step
Speaker 3: back and look at the thing that we're in, you know,
Speaker 3: like we're in an industry you know that has generations
Speaker 3: and generations of taught behavior and practices that any positive
Speaker 3: disruptor has to understand those things in order to disrupt
Speaker 3: them in a way and evolve them. You know, and
Speaker 3: things are evolving, you see it. You know, the things
Speaker 3: are evolving in a way, and if you can look
Speaker 3: at it in it, you know, in a higher way,
Speaker 3: I think you can find your way through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that resonates. There's a You remind me of
Speaker 1: this beautiful statement from Mark Twain where he said that
Speaker 1: history never repeats itself, but it always rhymes. And I
Speaker 1: find like when you were talking about the industry. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about how if you don't study history, you
Speaker 1: have the rhyme happening in your life. But then you
Speaker 1: can't interrupt the patent. So if you were a young star,
Speaker 1: which you were. I love The Wire as well. I've
Speaker 1: been a fan of the show. It's like, so you
Speaker 1: start in this industry early, and then you could spend
Speaker 1: years trying to figure out why you still have the
Speaker 1: kid gloves on. Yeah, because you haven't studied that. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, that's what happens that unless you disrupt the pattern,
Speaker 1: present yourself differently, show more of yourself, people are always
Speaker 1: going to say he's talent, he's an actor, that's that's
Speaker 1: what he does, as opposed to oh he's a director,
Speaker 1: Oh he's an entrepreneur, as he's an investor. Right, I
Speaker 1: know you have lots of investments all again in the
Speaker 1: healths space, like sports teams, and we're talking about mass
Speaker 1: as well. So it's it's interesting how much if you
Speaker 1: don't study the history of our industry, we get locked
Speaker 1: in the identity of the role we've played.
Speaker 2: In that space, correct forever, correct, And it's so.
Speaker 1: Easy for us to get used to feeling and often
Speaker 1: we do it to ourselves because it's comfortable playing the
Speaker 1: same role and there's a familiar feeling of when I
Speaker 1: play this role. And I felt that in my own
Speaker 1: small way, like when I went from having to create
Speaker 1: content to get my message out there, even though I
Speaker 1: wanted to do TV or film or whatever and couldn't
Speaker 1: get a break, and so I went to content and
Speaker 1: then I launched a podcast and I told you about
Speaker 1: why we launched this podcast earlier, and then I wrote
Speaker 1: books and it was like every time it was like, oh, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we thought Jay was this, Oh he's actually there. Oh,
Speaker 1: And I've had to go through that. I've realized the
Speaker 1: hardest part is you letting go of.
Speaker 3: That identity and reinventing yourself, allowing yourself right Yeah, no, no, definitely,
Speaker 3: Like I mean have you ever like, you know, has
Speaker 3: the podcast been something you always wanted to do And
Speaker 3: this is me just just curious or is it something
Speaker 3: that you had to read you forced yourself to read
Speaker 3: to reinvent yourself in a way, because this isn't it
Speaker 3: for you? Yeah, And you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 3: know it's not you know that this is this is
Speaker 3: a stop for you. This is this is a chapter
Speaker 3: in your book. Did you ever think I have to
Speaker 3: reinvent myself or is that a product of the things
Speaker 3: that we're telling you no or the things that was challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. I think it's a mix
Speaker 1: of them all. But the thing that kind of like
Speaker 1: supersedes all of them, which I try and tap into,
Speaker 1: which I think you resonate with, because I think that's
Speaker 1: the conversation we're having, is having a connection with your intuition.
Speaker 1: Like for me, it's I'm not looking at like what's
Speaker 1: the next trend or like how do I disrupt myself?
Speaker 1: Because to me, those things are still following other patterns, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Whereas it's intuitively going like what is what is the
Speaker 1: thing that I bring or what do I want to do?
Speaker 2: What is the.
Speaker 1: Missing piece of the puzzle that I believe I have
Speaker 1: a unique qualification to fill because if I'm always looking around,
Speaker 1: there will always be a million things. Like I always
Speaker 1: say to people, if you go to a real estate conference,
Speaker 1: you'll realize you don't invest enough in real estate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you go. If you go to a cryptocurrency conference, you'll
Speaker 1: feel like, oh crap, I didn't do this and if you, like,
Speaker 1: if I sit with a group of actors, I'll.
Speaker 4: Be like, oh, man, I should have said.
Speaker 1: You're always going to feel the deficiency of the trend
Speaker 1: that you study, correct, And so if you live that
Speaker 1: way around, it gets really complicated because then you're like, well,
Speaker 1: do I do this or do I do that? Like
Speaker 1: whereas when you go inward, it's like, oh, I feel
Speaker 1: alignment with this right now because it lets me express myself,
Speaker 1: lets me connect with people in a certain way. I
Speaker 1: feel I'm at the right evolution in my journey where
Speaker 1: it can manifest as opposed to like, oh, let me
Speaker 1: just figure out what the next big thing.
Speaker 3: Is that if that makes so much sense, bro, And
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is, is like your alignment
Speaker 3: with where you you feel truthful, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 3: that always doesn't mean you're going to be financially okay
Speaker 3: as well. You know, you know, you can feel inspiraucally
Speaker 3: in line and everything and mortgagees do you know rent
Speaker 3: is due?
Speaker 2: You feel?
Speaker 3: I mean, so there's that element of it as well
Speaker 3: that you have to find your your way through. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that that that intuition that that north star is what
Speaker 3: is something that has led me all types of places
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't trade in for the world. You know,
Speaker 3: just that feeling of this feels right, and I know
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. Probably there's probably some other things on
Speaker 3: paper that that seems like the better option or choice,
Speaker 3: but this feels right and and you know, more often.
Speaker 4: Than not, you know it's it's been the right move. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love what you were saying earlier about how the
Speaker 1: thought process is such a powerful way of breaking out
Speaker 1: over the cloud of your head. And I think we
Speaker 1: all have moments where the cloud feels like it's never moving,
Speaker 1: it's constantly raining on you. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are listening may feel that way, Like.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in that place?
Speaker 1: And how have you What has helped with your thought
Speaker 1: process is you've been tuning that what's worked for you
Speaker 1: at least.
Speaker 4: That's your moment, that's your moment.
Speaker 3: It's not that all is lost when you're feeling the
Speaker 3: most trapped and down and nothing can't go right. I
Speaker 3: feel like those are the moments that define you, those
Speaker 3: of those character canon moments that are like what am
Speaker 3: I going to do now? You know, how do you
Speaker 3: respond to that?
Speaker 4: And thinking your way, feeling your way working your way
Speaker 4: through those things.
Speaker 3: On the other side, it's like, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know who said the saying, but like usually you know
Speaker 3: you're the closest to getting what you want. It's always
Speaker 3: the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready
Speaker 3: to you know, people give up right before they get
Speaker 3: what they've always want.
Speaker 4: Wanted to get. People quit and they give up.
Speaker 3: And I will not be the person who quit before
Speaker 3: I got what I wanted or what I needed or
Speaker 3: what I felt I was supposed to have, you know,
Speaker 3: Like and if that wasn't for me, it wasn't for me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep grinding. I'm gonna keep knocking on the
Speaker 3: door until I get what I feel. That's been something
Speaker 3: I've always felt, having the name Michael Jordan and understanding
Speaker 3: that there's another guy out there named Michael Jordan and.
Speaker 4: That was the best ever to do something.
Speaker 3: And being teased and picked on about that, and and
Speaker 3: and and made me for a moment not wanting to
Speaker 3: play sports. But then it was like, nah, I'm actually
Speaker 3: gonna make sure I'm competitive. I'm gonna compete. At least
Speaker 3: I'm gonna compete. You're gonna at least see me. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be somebody that it's not gonna be. Oh his
Speaker 3: name is this, it's gonna be Oh no, but he
Speaker 3: can play, or oh no he can Oh he had
Speaker 3: he has something about him, something that is formidable, that
Speaker 3: is above average, that is that is unique to him.
Speaker 4: And again gave me a healthy chip.
Speaker 3: You know, so so and And for the people who
Speaker 3: are listening, who you know, who do have you know
Speaker 3: that doesn't feel like they can change the circumstances with
Speaker 3: the way they think or they feel, just hold on,
Speaker 3: Just endure, endure, you know, look at things differently. Challenge
Speaker 3: yourself to look at things as the glass have full.
Speaker 3: Challenge yourself to think four steps ahead, think your way
Speaker 3: through it. Like now, we have so many tools, we
Speaker 3: have so much information. There's a lot of misinformation out there,
Speaker 3: but there's so much information too to be curious. Find
Speaker 3: something that you that does resonate with you, even if
Speaker 3: it's not in the world that you ever thought you
Speaker 3: would be in. Find something that you align with. And
Speaker 3: because everybody aligns with something, that's not an excuse. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm willing to take from anybody you know, align
Speaker 3: with something and find your find your positivity, find your
Speaker 3: intuition within that thing, and and be obsessed about it.
Speaker 2: What have you been obsessed with lately?
Speaker 1: Like, what would you say is the thing you're most
Speaker 1: obsessed with right now or that you have been in
Speaker 1: the past couple of years that it's kind of just.
Speaker 3: Man, I've been obsessed with getting my team right. I've
Speaker 3: been obsessed with getting the right personnel on the right
Speaker 3: brain frequency and getting everybody on the same page to.
Speaker 4: Accomplish these things that we need.
Speaker 3: To go accomplish because I truly believe it's going to
Speaker 3: be better for everyone.
Speaker 4: I think it's really going to make an impact, you know.
Speaker 3: And so there's there's a there's a obsessiveness that you
Speaker 3: got to have to over communicate, to follow up, to
Speaker 3: be redundant, to be consistent you know that you need.
Speaker 3: And I'm obsessed about it, you know, Strengthening my family,
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed over it, you know, to lead by example,
Speaker 3: you know, and break generational trauma and curses over it.
Speaker 3: And I'm obsessed over every project that I lend myself to.
Speaker 3: So this next movie that me and Ryan's doing, I'm
Speaker 3: literally you know, I'm growing on my stuff out you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, my air and stuff that now
Speaker 3: I'm becoming obsessed with it, you know, and that character
Speaker 3: and it's it's a it's an addictive feeling to have
Speaker 3: a thought and see it come to fruition, to create
Speaker 3: something out of out of you know, out of an
Speaker 3: from an idea, and to be persistent and to see
Speaker 3: it and to manifest it, you know, manifestation.
Speaker 4: You love it, you know what I mean. It's cool.
Speaker 3: So so that's something that I've been I've been really
Speaker 3: really locked in with, and I think it's also something
Speaker 3: that it's going to help people. You know, there's there's
Speaker 3: always a I don't want anything that's not multi hyphening.
Speaker 3: I want I want anything that I'm involved in it.
Speaker 3: It has to have layers to it, you know. How
Speaker 3: do you help? How do you educate? What's to leave behind?
Speaker 3: What blueprint am I leaving for the next generation? You know,
Speaker 3: I got a nephew now, you know that is looking
Speaker 3: up at me constantly, Yes, because of height, but also
Speaker 3: because of the example, you know, and he's mimicking everything
Speaker 3: I do. He're mimicking anything. I can say something, do something,
Speaker 3: I can sit a certain type of way.
Speaker 2: Doing it too.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So it clarifies your intention when you do things because
Speaker 3: you want it to have you know, purpose and intention,
Speaker 3: you know. So those are the things. And I'm obsessed
Speaker 3: with being the best version of myself and that's a
Speaker 3: daily thing, you know, And some days are better than others,
Speaker 3: finding myself in.
Speaker 4: A world where there's so many.
Speaker 3: Seen opinions about yourself, when everybody's telling you who and
Speaker 3: what you are, you know, learning how to live, you know,
Speaker 3: growing up in it, like and it's so wild. I've
Speaker 3: been doing this for twenty five years straight, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's a wild thing to think about. The man,
Speaker 3: more than half of my life has been my identity
Speaker 3: has been through the work that I've been doing and
Speaker 3: growing up and with you know, social media what didn't
Speaker 3: exist and now it does at a point where I'm
Speaker 3: old enough to understand what that can do. So I'm
Speaker 3: obsessed with finding myself now after and not having to
Speaker 3: prove anything to anybody other than myself and my family,
Speaker 3: you know, but really myself, and realizing that that is enough,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like that, like giving your
Speaker 3: best is enough, and sometimes we lose track.
Speaker 4: Of that, you know, And and yeah, so for anybody
Speaker 4: out there, you know you're enough.
Speaker 2: Man, absolutely, let's let's toast, just toasted. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: shake it up, it out, yeah man.
Speaker 3: And this is the pure So we have three flavors
Speaker 3: right now, the mango, ginger, the pomegrant.
Speaker 4: But this is the wet appreciation.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm excited to dry it. Oh that's good. That's easy, easy,
Speaker 2: it's easy.
Speaker 3: And anybody else had like fresh yeah sea moss in
Speaker 3: the past, they might not have. They might not had
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Speaker 3: tried to clean it and process it themselves. Smooth, smooth,
Speaker 3: don't taste like the ocean. But it tastes a little
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a little heightened.
Speaker 2: Like it's refreshing. It's smooth, and it's easy. That's how
Speaker 2: I feel about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like and it's a great mixture, you know.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if you know you want
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 3: We call them moss tails, but like if you want
Speaker 3: to do like mocktails moss tails, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Or if you want to mix them like with drinks,
Speaker 3: like with with the spirits and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 3: a really good Uh yeah, man, I just this this
Speaker 3: this is five years of obsession.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know obviously when you know, health scares all over
Speaker 3: the place, people, you know, not a lot of information
Speaker 3: on what's really going on, what can help, what cannot help.
Speaker 3: I was, you know, finishing up a movie in Berlin,
Speaker 3: and you know, doing my own stunts, not sleeping a
Speaker 3: lot in a feig place.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Food was really wasn't really my thing as much, and
Speaker 3: I was looking for something to kind of just help
Speaker 3: me get through my shoot days. And I was just
Speaker 3: chug se mars, like I mean, by the jar, just
Speaker 3: because I mean I was up. It's got to be
Speaker 3: doing good. I know it's doing good, you know, just.
Speaker 4: By the jar.
Speaker 3: And and and then you know, almost the flight home,
Speaker 3: it was like, it's got to be a better way.
Speaker 3: So I started making smoothie, started you know, blending them in.
Speaker 3: And my sister was pregnant with my nephew, Lennox at
Speaker 3: the time, so you know, at that point, everybody was
Speaker 3: in their own bubble, you know, and you know, you know,
Speaker 3: it wasn't able to kind of visit many people, so
Speaker 3: we would just blend up smoothies, drop them off at
Speaker 3: the front door.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: That was my little care package that I would do.
Speaker 3: I would do I would do sea moss, and I
Speaker 3: would do like a you know, a homemade little pasta.
Speaker 3: And that was my active service for my.
Speaker 4: Family, you know.
Speaker 3: So so so that that labor of love, that that
Speaker 3: that kind of uh it started from a place of
Speaker 3: just trying to help my family just like, you know,
Speaker 3: stay healthy during the pandemic, and it slowly evolved in
Speaker 3: something that I wanted to get you know, make it
Speaker 3: accessible to everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for people who don't know the benefits of seamos,
Speaker 1: what are some of the things and the properties.
Speaker 3: It's that cognitive brain, you know, it's that clarity, uh,
Speaker 3: your your your immune system. So being able to harvest
Speaker 3: them in a way that that gets those nutrients inside
Speaker 3: of this drink in your daily dose of moss is
Speaker 3: something that I was really really exciting me about. Just
Speaker 3: like making a beverage about.
Speaker 2: It is great too. It's just there, you know, it
Speaker 2: makes you want to drink more of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and yeah it's good man, it's good and
Speaker 3: and it's it's uh yeah, I'm proud of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, proud of congratulations. Now we know we got to
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Speaker 1: We love to do a mostel now with it's Junia
Speaker 1: must Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I love it because Aswanda, we got a Swanda
Speaker 3: in ours as well and gin sync, so I mean
Speaker 3: you got all the adaptogens in it, so that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been a labor of love for us too. It's
Speaker 1: like me and my wife always talked about it as
Speaker 1: our COVID baby. It's like, there's what we were working
Speaker 1: on because we were the same. We've been addicted to
Speaker 1: tea our whole lives and we did a hot tea
Speaker 1: as well. But we were like, you know, for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, their hot drink is coffee, and we're like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what if your soda could mean healthy
Speaker 1: for you and good for you? And you know, how
Speaker 1: can we do it where it has you know, zero
Speaker 1: grams of sugar, Like how do you still get it
Speaker 1: to taste great with no sugar? Because me and my
Speaker 1: wife are both off of refined sugars and trying to
Speaker 1: be healthy and.
Speaker 2: All the rest of it.
Speaker 1: And then you realized that all the sodas you're drinking
Speaker 1: a full of it, So how do we make it
Speaker 1: easy for people to understand these herbs.
Speaker 2: And these adaptogens?
Speaker 1: And you know, because a lot of people we grew
Speaker 1: up with it. We were lucky in our culture and
Speaker 1: Indian culture. You grow up with a lot of these
Speaker 1: herbs and spices in your daily food exactly. But a
Speaker 1: lot of people have access to that. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you make it easy when people may not
Speaker 1: have in their kitchen? So yeah, man, I'll send you
Speaker 1: some to try later.
Speaker 4: Please do you got that guy in there and everything?
Speaker 4: And I love this, man.
Speaker 1: I was loving what you were saying about the building
Speaker 1: of teams because and something you said was like, how
Speaker 1: do you keep everyone on like the same frequency and
Speaker 1: like attract those people? And I went I went through
Speaker 1: a big thing for that in a certain part of
Speaker 1: my work around two years ago. A lot of people
Speaker 1: that are in my sphere today, some of them have
Speaker 1: been around since the beginning and some of them came
Speaker 1: on in the last two years. And it has been
Speaker 1: life changing, like absolutely life changing from an energy standpoint,
Speaker 1: from a spirit standpoint, and from a productivity effectiveness standpoint.
Speaker 1: How have you been trained or what do you how
Speaker 1: do you sense beyond like someone being able to do
Speaker 1: the job obviously, How have you been able to learn
Speaker 1: how to sense or understand whether someone's on that same
Speaker 1: brain wave and as you said, or brain energy as
Speaker 1: you are, and has that same value you said that
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of conversations and and and
Speaker 3: sometimes trial and error. I think my my intuition and
Speaker 3: my gut is the first you know, litnus tests is
Speaker 3: the first kind of line of defense. You know that
Speaker 3: I that I have like energies, vibe, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like okay, that that that that you feel
Speaker 3: on par how you know, how you answer a question?
Speaker 4: What are the things that you're saying? You know? Are
Speaker 4: you speaking from ego? Are you speaking about you know what?
Speaker 2: What is the what is the thing?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: You you know, we're used to we meet so many people.
Speaker 3: We have to use quick judgments and who gets our time?
Speaker 3: You know, who do you open up to?
Speaker 4: Who do you not? And I think when it comes.
Speaker 3: To building into a team, especially nowadays, you're coming into
Speaker 3: something that's that's well oiled. You're coming into a machine already,
Speaker 3: So you have to fit not just with me, but
Speaker 3: you have to kind of fit with everybody. You know,
Speaker 3: you have to know how to communicate the things you
Speaker 3: need to know how to communicate to you have to
Speaker 3: The ego is something that can get in a lot
Speaker 3: of people's way when joining a team and joining something
Speaker 3: that's already really established. And I think, I think I'm
Speaker 3: coming to a place of learning and listening is really
Speaker 3: important and not taking things personally, I think, I think, uh,
Speaker 3: and then it's something to the people that's already been
Speaker 3: in the team to understand that there's gonna be additions
Speaker 3: and there is a process of there's an onboarding, there's
Speaker 3: a welcome, there's a thing that you have to to
Speaker 3: bring people into the fold in a way to get
Speaker 3: the best out of them. So I think there's been
Speaker 3: there's been those learning things along the way that's really
Speaker 3: that really helped me identify people who that fit and
Speaker 3: work well within the circle, you know. And and uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's been my my kind of process thus far.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I always want to create environment where
Speaker 3: people want to be. You know, you're not here for
Speaker 3: a check. You're here because you believe in what we're
Speaker 3: doing and what we want to do. And I'm pretty
Speaker 3: transparent about those things, you know, so so I think
Speaker 3: I think just being extremely transparent and forward with those
Speaker 3: things and and know that there's nothing personal. This doesn't it,
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm the best, I'm the I'm a
Speaker 3: god that's always going to give you a great recommendation,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I want I want
Speaker 3: people to win, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I want people to win, and seeing somebody in their strengths,
Speaker 3: you know, and being like, Okay, I can use that that, this, this,
Speaker 3: this would be helpful in this way, and if that
Speaker 3: works out, it works out, and if not, then man, man,
Speaker 3: I want to see you do well.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We I remember years ago I was listening to Eric Schmidt,
Speaker 1: who is the Sea of Google for a bit and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how they were looking for smart
Speaker 1: creatives and I love that that. They had two words
Speaker 1: that kind of summed up what they looked for. They
Speaker 1: look for people who are smart creatives, and for me,
Speaker 1: it became humble champions.
Speaker 2: I was like, I want humble winners. I want I
Speaker 2: want the people who.
Speaker 1: Can who want to win and have that ambition, but
Speaker 1: are able to put their ego aside, because then we're
Speaker 1: going to speed up getting there because the thing that
Speaker 1: slows you down from winning is ego, Like the thing
Speaker 1: that stops you from passing the ball is ego, or
Speaker 1: you know, bowing out and saying it's your turn is
Speaker 1: ego and so. But but you still have to have
Speaker 1: that champion mindship because it isn't just about oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you do it your thing like and that was a
Speaker 1: big thing.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that worked for me was
Speaker 2: I was like, I need to work.
Speaker 1: With people that I could go to breakfast, lunch or
Speaker 1: dinner with If it didn't work together, Yes, man, who
Speaker 1: I actually want to go to breakfast, lunch and dinner
Speaker 1: with this person because I probably will be when I'm
Speaker 1: traveling or on the road. That means I like spending
Speaker 1: time with them, which means I'm haby to coach them
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to learn from them exactly whereas if
Speaker 1: I don't want to. And initially I was like that
Speaker 1: I used to just hire people who are great at
Speaker 1: what they did. We didn't really have chemistry, like, we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't we couldn't hang out. And that wasn't because
Speaker 1: they were wrong. It was also because I wasn't aware gotcha.
Speaker 1: And then of course, yeah, the mission, the purpose is
Speaker 1: I mean, that's core and central and.
Speaker 3: Because even for you, I mean you spend time from
Speaker 3: your family. You know, your team becomes your extended family.
Speaker 3: They absolutely they are your family, eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's there's a part of you that
Speaker 3: you know, it has to feel like I'm getting a
Speaker 3: little bit of my family here.
Speaker 4: And if it's not that, you know, it's really hard
Speaker 4: for me. You know.
Speaker 3: And obviously, like you know, you have a bigger company
Speaker 3: and there's employees and you're not going to be as
Speaker 3: personal with everybody within the company. You know, you don't
Speaker 3: have a brefluence to dinner with everybody. But but there's
Speaker 3: a there's a there's a feeling of you know, I
Speaker 3: don't mind on a Sunday everybody at my house watching
Speaker 3: the game, spending time because that's when not the nine
Speaker 3: to five time to be creative or the nine to
Speaker 3: five time to do the job, that's the that's the
Speaker 3: extra mile. That's the Oh I had this idea and
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, oh, oh, we're looking at something
Speaker 3: together and this would be great. The best ideas sometimes
Speaker 3: come from those just hangout moments and those moments where
Speaker 3: you're just spending time with with with people that you
Speaker 3: work with.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that, Yeah, you're right, that's that's
Speaker 4: really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Before the obsession point that came up, which which was fascinating,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I asked you that and you went you
Speaker 1: went into it. You're talking about like, you know, you
Speaker 1: live in an industry, and you talked about social media
Speaker 1: where people having a pin interview people even an opinion.
Speaker 1: It's that people have a lens because they've seen you
Speaker 1: in a particular light. And I was wondering, like, what
Speaker 1: do you think something that people get right about you?
Speaker 1: And what's something that people someone's get wrong about you? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you feel like when it comes to that, Like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine, Like I feel like for me,
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that I get like often
Speaker 1: because of what I teach and what I'm sharing and
Speaker 1: what I'm guiding. It's like, oh, well, Jay must get
Speaker 1: everything perfect all the time, and like you know, it's
Speaker 1: like super deep and like always just saying profound things.
Speaker 1: And that's not true obviously, because as much as that
Speaker 1: is who I am and that is my heart I'm
Speaker 1: not always like that, Like I have, I have bad days,
Speaker 1: I have bad moods, I have off days.
Speaker 2: I have days when I'm not feeling that way right.
Speaker 1: And so that's something that people get wrong about me
Speaker 1: sometimes in that perception because but I'm dedicated to this work,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with being better. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't remove me from having flaws and weaknesses.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, you should do.
Speaker 4: Alo you should do. I'll take real of those moments. Yes,
Speaker 4: your team catch you in these little moments, and you
Speaker 4: should pull one out. That'll be fun. That'll be fun.
Speaker 4: I like that. I like that, that'd be a good one.
Speaker 3: I think for me, it is like I think I've
Speaker 3: intentionally stayed out the way so much where I'm not
Speaker 3: giving anybody any anything to go off of other than
Speaker 3: what I want you to know. You know, I think
Speaker 3: I think that's been it for a long time. I've
Speaker 3: always had the approach of like not speaking on things
Speaker 3: and not giving them life. You know, there's there's there's
Speaker 3: going to be perspectives and there's things about you that
Speaker 3: just aren't true. Uh do you do you care to
Speaker 3: correct somebody or not? You know, because most of the time,
Speaker 3: people's minds are made up. No matter what you say,
Speaker 3: it is what it's going to be. You know, stay
Speaker 3: out the comment section, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 3: get some great entertainment in there, but then you can
Speaker 3: get a lot of stuff that is just people who
Speaker 3: want to project the thing that's going to get the
Speaker 3: most attention. And the issue that I have with a
Speaker 3: lot of that is they can be completely false. And
Speaker 3: we have an industry of we were talking earlier, the
Speaker 3: lack of journalism, the skill of that that will run
Speaker 3: with those things knowing that there is.
Speaker 4: No basis to them.
Speaker 3: But now that's a narrative that's attached to you that
Speaker 3: you have to be strong enough and strong minded enough
Speaker 3: to ignore knowing it's not true, or this human nature
Speaker 3: feeling of wanting to know that's not true.
Speaker 4: I want people to know this about.
Speaker 2: Me, and I've always walked on that line of.
Speaker 3: You know, not caring, trying not to care, and knowing
Speaker 3: that I'm enough and knowing my truth and the people
Speaker 3: who know me know me. You know I am about
Speaker 3: my community and my people, you know, wholeheartedly, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the choices that I make and the things
Speaker 3: that I want to do and be a part of
Speaker 3: is in service of that bigger picture, you know, of
Speaker 3: helping that you know, my community in a big way.
Speaker 3: So I think the biggest thing sometimes if they ever
Speaker 3: feel like that they're not my top priority, is maybe
Speaker 3: one of the biggest misconceptions, you know, the love I
Speaker 3: have for my community. Regardless of people's approach. I think
Speaker 3: everybody has a different strategy and approach to how they
Speaker 3: affect and make change everybody. It doesn't all look the same.
Speaker 3: And because it may not be typical or the average voice,
Speaker 3: because the package is different and the craft and my
Speaker 3: field is different. So I have a different set of
Speaker 3: boundaries that exist in my lane that I maneuver without
Speaker 3: in and out of. Like I love playing chess, I
Speaker 3: love I love I love strategy, I love I love
Speaker 3: reverse engineering and building things. So I think I think
Speaker 3: that's one of the biggest things. And you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: ignorance and a laugh or a joke or a like
Speaker 3: or a thing we've we've encouraged the behavior of negativity
Speaker 3: and things and.
Speaker 4: Loudest is the thing, and that's just not what That's
Speaker 4: not what I'm into. I'm into the love of things.
Speaker 3: I'm into the humanity and bringing people together the best
Speaker 3: way and been awesome human No.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I mean I also think we've put a false pressure
Speaker 1: on the definition of authenticity, meaning you share everything with everyone,
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure I vibe with that definition because
Speaker 1: I think authenticity, by nature is you sharing what you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with each person. That's what it means to
Speaker 1: be authentic. And you could argue that authentic just means
Speaker 1: being however you want to be in any given situation.
Speaker 2: And so I think there has become a false pressure of.
Speaker 1: Oh, you gotta show you're authentic by showing every part
Speaker 1: of yourself. And I don't know if that that triggers
Speaker 1: anything for you. Is like, what's the definition of authenticity
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: Or for me? That's what it is, but what is
Speaker 2: it for you?
Speaker 3: I think it's But then in hindsight, there's a there's
Speaker 3: a piece of it that not even just to go back,
Speaker 3: but there's there's also like maybe that's my insecurity framing.
Speaker 3: What the loudness of the things that I'm most sensitive
Speaker 3: of is this noise somehow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it triggers us for a reason. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Some stuff that you just go, oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's like that's just like man, like why why
Speaker 2: does that bother me so much?
Speaker 3: Like there's something that there's something about that that because
Speaker 3: I know what that does in the bigger like, I'm
Speaker 3: always thinking bigger picture. It's very rarely that I really
Speaker 3: focus on the thing. It's always about what's the cause
Speaker 3: of that in a bigger conversation.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The authenticity to me.
Speaker 3: Is being able to sleep in night, being able to
Speaker 3: go talk to my mom, and knowing that the people
Speaker 3: that know me every fiber of my being, my intention,
Speaker 3: knows my heart through and through that they see the
Speaker 3: same person. They're able to connect with the same energy
Speaker 3: and the same vibe in the same spirit. My energy
Speaker 3: has never changed, you know. I think being authentic to
Speaker 3: that frequency is super important to me. No matter where
Speaker 3: I go, no matter how I evolve and have to
Speaker 3: mature and grow up, I want my energy to always
Speaker 3: feel the same. That's the way when you meet certain
Speaker 3: people and it's been years that go by and you
Speaker 3: pick right back up where you left off, it feels
Speaker 3: like no time is lost, that energy is never It's
Speaker 3: always the same. And I love when people I haven't
Speaker 3: seen in a long time or come and like man,
Speaker 3: oh it feels you know, it's the same, and that
Speaker 3: that just lets me know that I'm not losing myself
Speaker 3: and I'm not losing track of you know, who I
Speaker 3: am and where I come from. And I am always
Speaker 3: going to be an agent of change, Trojan horse or not,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And and yeah, you're just
Speaker 3: and continue to lead by example, you know, I know,
Speaker 3: I know the path that I'm on isn't easy. You know,
Speaker 3: sometimes you may look easy, you know, uh for the
Speaker 3: successes or whatever, but but it's behind closed doors I'm
Speaker 3: doing I'm doing the work. So the future generations have
Speaker 3: it a little bit easier or have a little bit
Speaker 3: more tools to use, and they can ask for certain
Speaker 3: things that won't be like what it'd be almost standard
Speaker 3: for them, you know.
Speaker 4: And you know, from my vantage point.
Speaker 3: I'm able to see a lot of the road blocks
Speaker 3: that exist within systems, you know, and paperwork and precedents.
Speaker 3: I've been chipping away at those where I can in places,
Speaker 3: and there's so many look, I say aye a lot
Speaker 3: in this interview. There's so many people out there that
Speaker 3: are doing that type of work. You know that exist
Speaker 3: men and women in these places that are breaking down
Speaker 3: doorriers that are chipping away, say shawshank redemption. You know,
Speaker 3: rock at a time, gravel at a time. You know,
Speaker 3: eventually that hole is going to be open, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Eventually it's going to be open, but
Speaker 3: just chipping away. And unfortunately everybody can't be the loudest
Speaker 3: one in the room. You know, gotta be sometimes you
Speaker 3: gotta be the choir guy in the room. You gotta
Speaker 3: listen and look and pay attention and move how you
Speaker 3: need to move. There's chest pieces that they have different
Speaker 3: rules and different movements for a reason, you know. And
Speaker 3: they're on the board in different places for a reason.
Speaker 3: And and uh, I know my place on the board.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it comes down to, right. It's like,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing out that point around how things
Speaker 1: that trigger us give us somewhere to focus on within ourselves.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that too, Like I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: certain things that just don't FaZe me at all, And
Speaker 1: I can look like the most detached guy and like
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm bulletproof, and there's something that gets
Speaker 1: through that verse. It's just like and you know, it's
Speaker 1: because there's a part of it that feels true, and
Speaker 1: there's a part of you that you've allowed for it
Speaker 1: to feel true, because it could be that you are
Speaker 1: there's a part of your self esteem you haven't worked on,
Speaker 1: there's something you took from your childhood and made true
Speaker 1: for you, and now when someone else says it and
Speaker 1: you didn't even know where it came from. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend the other day and
Speaker 1: we were talking about how one of his mentors was
Speaker 1: letting him down, and we discovered in that I've been
Speaker 1: friends with this guy for like twenty years. We're best mates,
Speaker 1: and it was like twenty years we figured out that
Speaker 1: he'd made his mentor his father figure and he didn't
Speaker 1: really put two and two together until just now, and
Speaker 1: neither did I for him. And he was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, no, wonder, I'm feeling so much pain with
Speaker 1: this mentor of mine because I'd made him a father
Speaker 1: figure and gone through that feeling of he's superman and
Speaker 1: now realizing he's not, even though I'm a four year old.
Speaker 2: Man for him.
Speaker 1: And so it's just so interesting how the stuff that
Speaker 1: gets under our skin, it can just be hidden there,
Speaker 1: and he gets stale and stuck, and then you don't
Speaker 1: look at it because you're like, oh no, no, it's nothing,
Speaker 1: it's nothing. But at one point, when you feel safe enough,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of like look under the hood
Speaker 1: and go, you know.
Speaker 2: Why is that there?
Speaker 1: But coming on to the point, you were just making
Speaker 1: around paving the way for others and setting an example
Speaker 1: and the responsibility that comes with and like you said,
Speaker 1: there's so many people doing that. I feel like, how
Speaker 1: would you define your current purpose? Like how do you
Speaker 1: define with everything you're doing? Because you talked about purpose
Speaker 1: being a big thing for you, and you talk about
Speaker 1: the mission of your company, like what is the purpose
Speaker 1: of that work? Which doors are you trying to open?
Speaker 1: Which paperwork you're trying to shift, what systems are you
Speaker 1: trying to affect?
Speaker 4: I think I have my purpose right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think I have a chapter twenty
Speaker 3: five years acting, you know, producing, you know, being in
Speaker 3: front of the camera, being talent, learning so much about
Speaker 3: the world, about myself, about the industry. You know, I
Speaker 3: think being a representative from my community in a way
Speaker 3: that places that a black actor hasn't gone You know,
Speaker 3: obviously you have the grades, you have the Wills and
Speaker 3: the Denzels. You know what I'm saying that I look
Speaker 3: up to in a big way that you know that
Speaker 3: through their talent, the business and the craft has extended
Speaker 3: to a new height. So they've opened up doors for
Speaker 3: me that I didn't even know what was possible. That
Speaker 3: now I was like, oh wow, now we have this
Speaker 3: and that Now I could do that and do that.
Speaker 3: So they've kicked the door down in a way that's like,
Speaker 3: you know, internally grateful. So like leading by example is
Speaker 3: a big purpose, you know for people to be able
Speaker 3: to see it, because it was big for me to
Speaker 3: see it and think that I can do it too.
Speaker 4: So that is that part of it.
Speaker 3: There's the the business side of things that I've got
Speaker 3: an opportunity to learn from investing your money, you know,
Speaker 3: what do you do with the savings and the things
Speaker 3: that you do? Have a big sports guy, you know,
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to, you know, own a team. I'm competitive.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be involved in that and that in
Speaker 3: that environment that energy you know of sports and found
Speaker 3: a football team you know in Bournemouth and great.
Speaker 4: Football.
Speaker 3: I've literally had to like you know, I cannot say
Speaker 3: soccer anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh and and great great partner and you know Bill
Speaker 3: Foley and he owns the Las Vegas Golden Knights, and
Speaker 3: and really trying to turn that program around and and
Speaker 3: just just amplify it in a big way. But learning,
Speaker 3: you know, how to invest than those things. You know, Oh,
Speaker 3: there's going to be a new stadium. Oh, there's opportunity
Speaker 3: to invest in real estate. Oh wow, Now invest in
Speaker 3: real estate and something that's going to be around for
Speaker 3: you know, however many year lease and this and that. Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: I could take that and oh wow, investing in you know,
Speaker 3: started a JV for you know, underneath an umbrella company
Speaker 3: to have your own product. And then from there you
Speaker 3: can create another JV. Oh you can invest capital. Oh
Speaker 3: you can have a venture for oh oh snap, okay, wow.
Speaker 3: This is a whole other game. There's a whole other
Speaker 3: nuance of acquisitions and investment in capital that I never
Speaker 3: even knew exists.
Speaker 4: I'm used to you know, W.
Speaker 3: Nine forums and taxes, you know, like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying on that. You know, on the on the
Speaker 3: talent side, there's a whole other game to be played
Speaker 3: and and taking that information, just the information that that
Speaker 3: exists and what that would do to you know, to
Speaker 3: to the next generation, you know, knowing what's available to him,
Speaker 3: knowing that there's other ways to maximize my my brand,
Speaker 3: you know, your brand, creating things, ownership of things as
Speaker 3: streamers and studios, and there's there's so many other platforms
Speaker 3: that are you know, people are content crazy, you know, podcasts.
Speaker 3: You know, it's become a business as well, you know
Speaker 3: new you know, a new venture that that people are
Speaker 3: be able to monetize their own, their own following their own,
Speaker 3: their own.
Speaker 4: Likeness in a real way. Retirement, What does that look
Speaker 4: like really?
Speaker 3: You know, do you know really a will well, leaving
Speaker 3: a will behind like what like I mean, no, I
Speaker 3: mean there's things that you just don't get taught. You know,
Speaker 3: there's nobody know so so I've stumbled on it upon
Speaker 3: it these things within my success and my intuition and
Speaker 3: my partnerships and my relationships that but again it goes
Speaker 3: back to like the y me. This one guy you
Speaker 3: know that has got has gotten access to all these things,
Speaker 3: and my.
Speaker 4: Man over here, my guy over there, No that you
Speaker 4: guys would never know about.
Speaker 3: None of these things because of how whatever your life
Speaker 3: path has taken you is not been in these areas
Speaker 3: or nobody's at the opportunity to say those things to you.
Speaker 3: So I put that on me as a purpose to
Speaker 3: be able to give that information, you know, in a
Speaker 3: real way and identify the you know, people are hungry enough,
Speaker 3: and you know that want it. You know that want it,
Speaker 3: they gotta want it, and they gotta be a Then
Speaker 3: come on, let's go figure it out, all right. Let
Speaker 3: me let me, let me figure out how to help
Speaker 3: set you up with the right people so you got
Speaker 3: the right conversations, you know, and then you also got
Speaker 3: to be careful who you help too. You know, you
Speaker 3: can't you know, you want to help everybody, but you
Speaker 3: can't help everybody. But you can't leave a blueprint for everyone.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's all a person should need sometimes is seeing
Speaker 3: it and being and the thought. Then you got to
Speaker 3: leave it on the person to do their their part
Speaker 3: of the work, to lift that part of the weight,
Speaker 3: to put on that burden, to go do that for themselves.
Speaker 3: Their family, they're there, they're they're people within their their circle.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, I like that, man.
Speaker 1: That's I mean it's super powerful because I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: so many people don't have access, don't understand, don't have
Speaker 1: the language, don't have the vocabulary. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: huge purpose. What do you do when it all just
Speaker 1: gets too much, when you're like it's a lot days,
Speaker 1: you're busy, you go this gun, Like, what do you
Speaker 1: do when it gets too much?
Speaker 3: With the first try to go to Japan? I try
Speaker 3: to get on the first thing smoking to Japan.
Speaker 4: I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's one of the few places that I've been that
Speaker 3: I feel like I just exist, you know what, Japan.
Speaker 3: Growing up, I've been obsessed with anime. I'm a big
Speaker 3: anime guy, you know. So since I was like, you know, eleven,
Speaker 3: twelve years old, it's been anime, you know, And that's
Speaker 3: been my cartoons, comic books, anima me that's just like
Speaker 3: my you know, escapism.
Speaker 4: I'm in that.
Speaker 3: And you know, growing up watching those shows, you they
Speaker 3: there's so much of their identity and their culture and
Speaker 3: the dialogue and messaging and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: So I just had this idea of this place in
Speaker 4: my head that was full of respect, and.
Speaker 3: It was hospitable and hard work and tradition and you know,
Speaker 3: I mean thousands of years of you know, a couple
Speaker 3: thousand years of tradition, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That you know that that exists.
Speaker 3: And and I was like, man, I wonder what at
Speaker 3: this place is going to live up to the expectation.
Speaker 3: I was the food and the culture, all that good stuff,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, when I went, it was it was
Speaker 3: everything that I thought it would be more, you know,
Speaker 3: And obviously I went went the right type of way.
Speaker 3: I you know, I created an anime as well. You know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to, like, you know, because they're they're they're
Speaker 3: so loving and and and and welcoming in a really
Speaker 3: big way. And yeah, for me going there, there's not
Speaker 3: a you know, a million phones being out everybody. They're
Speaker 3: very respectful of your space there, and people are going
Speaker 3: to obviously come up and say what's up. You know
Speaker 3: that that's going to happen, but it's it's in a
Speaker 3: way where you don't feel like I have to hide
Speaker 3: as much. I feel like I walk down the streets
Speaker 3: there a little bit more loosely. And that's something that
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really have as much here in
Speaker 3: La or you know, New York. You get a little
Speaker 3: bit more of it, you know what I'm saying, you
Speaker 3: can kind of like you know, because people sometimes whatever
Speaker 3: keep pushing it, but it's it's a it's a different thing.
Speaker 3: But something about Japan that was awesome. And you know,
Speaker 3: in another place that I can't wait to really go
Speaker 3: is Ghana as well. Dad's been spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time there. Wow, I haven't like my skip for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: Every time I'm trying to go, something that I cannot
Speaker 3: change pops up. But that's a place that people tell
Speaker 3: me stories of the similar feeling of going there and
Speaker 3: the love and infinity of being in that place, and
Speaker 3: I really want to go there as well. So so
Speaker 3: that that's so if I can't get to Japan, I'm
Speaker 3: usually at the house. I'm either cooking or playing like
Speaker 3: Call of Duty.
Speaker 2: I'm playing.
Speaker 4: I'm playing Call of Duty online. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: My boys back back.
Speaker 3: You know, from from all over and uh and and
Speaker 3: you know it's a place where you can get you know,
Speaker 3: it's a fair game. You know, he's even playing field,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You know, some mindless you
Speaker 3: know kind of you know, you know, camaraderie with your
Speaker 3: boys and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, it's I love cooking.
Speaker 3: Food is a love language for me, you know, so,
Speaker 3: so being able to you know, find a recipe or
Speaker 3: try something new and combined flavors is probably you never
Speaker 3: thought would go together. And just creating those those moments
Speaker 3: is another form.
Speaker 4: Of art too.
Speaker 3: And and and I like people enjoying people eating my food,
Speaker 3: you know, like like serving people and being like, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Normally don't like land, but have you had it like this?
Speaker 3: And then uh, and it's having people just you know,
Speaker 3: react to that is a as a It's something that
Speaker 3: I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Doing now with boom. If we're gonna have to get
Speaker 2: you into as.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I gotta get Okay, that's that's that's.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my that's my guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4: Some easy wins at first, So we'll start all Yeah,
Speaker 4: it'd be good.
Speaker 2: Dude, You've been amazing to that.
Speaker 1: I've got a few more questions to ask you before
Speaker 1: I let you go that. This question is like, what
Speaker 1: has been a lesson you wish you learned earlier in life? Like,
Speaker 1: is there a lesson that you learned recently? You're like,
Speaker 1: I wish I learned this one earlier.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Being unapologetically honest with what you want and that and
Speaker 3: that goes across the board. I was trying to think
Speaker 3: of something that kind of across the board, if you.
Speaker 4: Can communicate your truth.
Speaker 3: And and not worry so much about how somebody is
Speaker 3: going to react to what you say, because a lot
Speaker 3: of times the fear of how somebody is going to
Speaker 3: react to what you're you really want to say is
Speaker 3: what stops you from saying it sometimes and you find
Speaker 3: another way, or you put it off, or you don't
Speaker 3: say it, and maybe the situation doesn't change, and you
Speaker 3: get frustrated and upset with why this thing doesn't change
Speaker 3: because you kind of maybe.
Speaker 2: Might not have said it the way you wanted to say,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And I think there's a, you know, a way to
Speaker 3: be unapologetically and still be respectful and speak your truth.
Speaker 3: If I think I would have done that earlier, I
Speaker 3: would have been further along in relationships that I have
Speaker 3: with people I care about and and not intimately I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean I mean across the board, work relationships, business, family,
Speaker 3: female friends, you know, whatever it may have been. I
Speaker 3: think being honest with with with where you stand and
Speaker 3: how you feel, it's really given another person an option
Speaker 3: and opportunity to be as honest with you, and whatever
Speaker 3: your fear of that is, of that outcome is never
Speaker 3: really as big as what you make it up to be,
Speaker 3: you know, it's really not that. So I would say,
Speaker 3: I would say maybe just being being being honest and
Speaker 3: living with the results. You know, and tomorrow is not
Speaker 3: promised to anyone. But time will move on, you know,
Speaker 3: you will move past it, you know, and if it'smorro
Speaker 3: will never come. At least you can know that you
Speaker 3: said what you needed to say. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 3: I think that's one thing that I feel like earlier
Speaker 3: on if I could, if if I had.
Speaker 4: That, it might have been better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a thoughtful longs I was thinking when you
Speaker 1: were saying that, it's that we we're so scared of
Speaker 1: our honesty hurting someone not realizing that us holding back
Speaker 1: our honesty is and the even more is a longer
Speaker 1: term it is.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's a hard one because when you have to be honest,
Speaker 1: it makes you look worse, it makes you feel bad,
Speaker 1: It makes that best and feel bad.
Speaker 2: It gets it gets messy on so many level.
Speaker 4: What if that person needed to hear it.
Speaker 3: You know, what if that person never heard that that
Speaker 3: note or that that thought or perspective, and then they
Speaker 3: go on in life, you know, continuing to you know,
Speaker 3: move and act and speaking away without that you're doing
Speaker 3: almost a disservice.
Speaker 4: You know. It goes back to like knowing, if you
Speaker 4: know better, you got to do better.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So so I think that kind of maybe speaks to
Speaker 3: a bigger thing with me of like wanting to just
Speaker 3: be better and wanting people around me to be better
Speaker 3: and grow, you know, because I guess one of going
Speaker 3: back to, you know, just the other misconceptions, like you know,
Speaker 3: a thing of.
Speaker 4: People look at me and think I got everything, I
Speaker 4: got it all. You know, it's not true.
Speaker 3: Man, Like I'm flawed, you know, and and I'm actively
Speaker 3: trying to get better daily, you know, and I fail
Speaker 3: all the time, and I come up short all the
Speaker 3: time on even how to communicate, no matter how much
Speaker 3: coaching I go through, and you know, and practice and
Speaker 3: and and and running conversations through my head you know,
Speaker 3: in the shower and like all right, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that I want to hit that point
Speaker 3: and okay, you know, what I'm saying, and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just in the I'm trying to do my best,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: And I think the weight to.
Speaker 3: Try to live up to everybody's perfect expectation of me
Speaker 3: has been really, really heavy for a long time, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think the last couple of years, I've been
Speaker 3: trying to maneuver out of that.
Speaker 1: Mike, we end every episode of On Purpose with a
Speaker 1: final five. These five questions have to be answered in
Speaker 1: one word to one sentence maximum. There can be one sentence.
Speaker 1: I will ask you to explore it further, all right,
Speaker 1: So Mike, these are your final five. The first question
Speaker 1: is the first question your ones have two parts. I've
Speaker 1: never done this before, but we do. I'm about to
Speaker 1: do it because I think there's some things I really
Speaker 1: want to know. So the first question is what is
Speaker 1: the best advice you've ever heard and the worst advice
Speaker 1: you've ever heard?
Speaker 3: Best advice is, if you're unsure about something, take a moment.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're unsure, uh, don't don't don't answer
Speaker 3: right away. Take a moment, think about it. It's okay,
Speaker 3: you know. Don't answer just because you feel like you
Speaker 3: got to be out and be quick. And be fast
Speaker 3: about it, you know, because you end up stumbling over
Speaker 3: your words and and or not something of words, saying
Speaker 3: something that you don't really really mean. So I would
Speaker 3: say that's probably some of the best advice I got.
Speaker 4: Worst advice. Buy it now, you'll get it back.
Speaker 2: Just what I just spend it. Now, you'll get you'll
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 4: Back, you know, sink. I think that's right. I think
Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah. I think at the time it was close.
Speaker 4: At the time, it was closed. It was closed.
Speaker 3: It was it was it was and it wasn't even
Speaker 3: really a big close. Guys at the time, I was
Speaker 3: like whatever, but it was like, yeah, you're.
Speaker 4: Right, you I'll make it back, no worry about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, of course I will, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you know, we're on seven eleven diet for
Speaker 3: the next you know, two months.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a choice. Pick one of these.
Speaker 4: One. Yeah, yeah, oh man, I want to know what
Speaker 4: the other one is.
Speaker 2: This is a old.
Speaker 3: Dogs my dad's dog text from the Marines. That linen
Speaker 3: jacket says, all my children. I'm saying maybe seven sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 3: maybe like Disney like Super Soap Weakened or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think it was like one of those things where
Speaker 3: like the soap roperas had this this weekend.
Speaker 4: And uh, I think it was in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Disney.
Speaker 4: And I want to say this is from that.
Speaker 2: I want to say that my advice would you what
Speaker 2: advice would you give to him?
Speaker 3: Uh, savor those moments of being a teenager? I think,
Speaker 3: you know, looking back at the teenage years, you know, we.
Speaker 4: Have a worry, know what problems we have? You know
Speaker 4: it was high school? Yeah, about homework.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like it you know I was,
Speaker 3: I was working at that time, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 3: but but I would just say, like, enjoy those years, man,
Speaker 3: you know, of just of just uh of the purity
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 4: You know. I look back and I was like, man,
Speaker 4: this is like it is a pretty pure.
Speaker 2: What would he say back to you now? Looking at
Speaker 2: you now? Maybe I know you could do it?
Speaker 3: You know, I think I would tell myself that you
Speaker 3: could do it too. I think I think you know,
Speaker 3: nobody thought. I mean I didn't at that time. You know,
Speaker 3: I think you know, what what what could have been?
Speaker 3: What what is he had a You know, I thought
Speaker 3: I had an idea of what could be, you know,
Speaker 3: I had I always have to have the optimism of
Speaker 3: what could be.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just like, is follow that more? Maybe? I
Speaker 2: love that? Man? This is the other one we got funny,
Speaker 2: we just picked. These are the two that the teams.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is my birthday or my
Speaker 3: sister's birthday, but this is my grandmother's kitchen, and uh,
Speaker 3: my sister was right there and I think she was
Speaker 3: either helped me cut a cake or something. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my that's my my that was my my guardian,
Speaker 3: that was my my my bodyguard, was my sister.
Speaker 4: It's a good one.
Speaker 1: I love that, all right, question number I don't know
Speaker 1: which question we want to that's the best, That's that's
Speaker 1: what it's the best. Uh, What's what's the best part
Speaker 1: of being Michael B. Jordan and the West Bust part
Speaker 1: being Michael B.
Speaker 4: Jordan's being Uncle Mike.
Speaker 3: Man, it's a feeling of like with my nephew and
Speaker 3: my niece that I've never I've never loved something so
Speaker 3: much and like wow, like whoa like? I think I
Speaker 3: think being Uncle Mike right now is the best part
Speaker 3: of that. Right now the worst part. I love multitasking.
Speaker 3: I love I love I love the juggling, the balancing
Speaker 3: act of the things that I do.
Speaker 4: I love that. And the worst part is the the
Speaker 4: loneliness that comes with that. You know.
Speaker 2: I think there's a there's a there's a you know,
Speaker 2: a loneliness that I have, you know.
Speaker 3: The responsibility that you have and is isolating, and the
Speaker 3: weight is isolating. So I think I think the worst
Speaker 3: part of that is is the the feeling like nobody
Speaker 3: really understands and sometimes falling into the spaces of like
Speaker 3: just you know, being alone, feeling alone.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing everything today, I mean, okay, question number four,
Speaker 1: we nearly that four and five. Question number four, you
Speaker 1: talked about knowing your team's love language. This question is
Speaker 1: my team's love language. How does being the sexiest man
Speaker 1: of life find love.
Speaker 2: From the galves of my team? Dedicated to dedicated to you?
Speaker 4: So I revert back to the last question.
Speaker 2: It's very lonely.
Speaker 3: No, it's a I go back and forth between wanting
Speaker 3: partnership and then not knowing what's the best partner for me,
Speaker 3: Like bringing them into my world. What I got going
Speaker 3: on isn't easy, and it's it's not just I love you,
Speaker 3: you love me. That should be enough, right, It's not.
Speaker 3: It's not quite that simple, you know. I think, I
Speaker 3: think finding the right person to understand a all of me,
Speaker 3: but then all that comes with me as well, and understanding,
Speaker 3: you know, that balance between wanting to be available and
Speaker 3: there for that person while I'm juggling everything else and
Speaker 3: feeling okay to put the other part of my businesses down,
Speaker 3: and you know, this sacrifice and compromise that comes with
Speaker 3: a partnership and a relationship and what is understanding how
Speaker 3: how to make that all work is sometimes gives me
Speaker 3: anxiety and pause, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and and and.
Speaker 3: Then also as a part of me that has not
Speaker 3: really lived life yet, I haven't really traveled as much
Speaker 3: for fun or just like Japan has been a few
Speaker 3: times that I went where I didn't have a schedule,
Speaker 3: where I didn't have to be somewhere for press, I
Speaker 3: didn't have to be these most I had to put
Speaker 3: the other hats on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: There's so many different places and people I've never had
Speaker 3: an opportunity to happenly meet that I might connect and
Speaker 3: vibe with, that might be a person that my soul
Speaker 3: connects to you know, and and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: those things.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to that part of my life. You know.
Speaker 3: I think the last couple of years, I'm starting to
Speaker 3: get to a place where it's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I got to start living.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've been.
Speaker 3: I've been, I've sacrificed, and I've been in lot zoned
Speaker 3: in for so long. You know, I owe it to
Speaker 3: my solf a little bit to do that, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think that's a byproduct of being a little
Speaker 3: bit of a you know, I'm a delayed satisfaction, delayed
Speaker 3: gratification person like I can. I've always wanted to lock
Speaker 3: in for the first half, do what I gotta do,
Speaker 3: get to I need to get to make sure everything
Speaker 3: is straight and set up, and then be a little
Speaker 3: bit more, have the freedom to move how I want
Speaker 3: to move and or whatever. So that's the long winded
Speaker 3: answer of of I'm not I'm not looking, But it
Speaker 3: would take a very special person to understand and grow
Speaker 3: with me, you know, just you know, you want to
Speaker 3: create memories, you know, I want to I want a family,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Eventually, so we'll see, So we'll see.
Speaker 2: You un lucky because I asked you that question. The
Speaker 2: other question was what's his type? I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that, I like that question.
Speaker 2: I like that that's the wrong question I was reading.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Fifth and final question, if you get we asked this
Speaker 1: every guest who's ever been on the show, if you
Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be?
Speaker 2: The law that.
Speaker 3: You couldn't intentionally kill or cause bodily harm to anyone.
Speaker 4: I think that covers a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, you still have you got to leave room
Speaker 3: people for humans to be humans, and everybody's not gonna
Speaker 3: be good, you know, everybody's not going to have all
Speaker 3: that in there.
Speaker 4: But if we can eliminate the senseless killing and.
Speaker 3: You know, the bodily harms you know, of other people's
Speaker 3: bodies in a real way, I think there's But then
Speaker 3: there's like the systemic thing I'm trying to get out
Speaker 3: of because like you know, I'm trying to eat, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to level the playing field, you know, so just
Speaker 3: the economic opportunities that this already, those those systematic oppression,
Speaker 3: the systematic pressure that doesn't exist is the thing that
Speaker 3: I most I most want to change, So I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think of It's a good question, man.
Speaker 1: You keeping about it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I like
Speaker 1: you one, because it also applies to like you couldn't
Speaker 1: develop products like your your question. I mean your answer
Speaker 1: applies to food, drugs, medicine, which is kind of what
Speaker 1: keeps a lot of people stuck in the system because
Speaker 1: if they can bodily harm to me isn't just physical violence.
Speaker 1: It's also the kind of things we ingest and consume,
Speaker 1: and that is what keeps a lot of people stuck
Speaker 1: because they're eating unhealthy food because that's all they have
Speaker 1: access to and that's all they can afford.
Speaker 2: And that plays with you. I mean that's what I
Speaker 2: was here in too, on a sub level. Yeah all right,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: It, Michael Jordan, Mike, it has been such a joy,
Speaker 1: and we've got to do a part two. I've got
Speaker 1: I can talk to you for hours. I've got so
Speaker 1: many questions, man, like you get into it. I want
Speaker 1: to thank you for your honesty, your openness, the fun
Speaker 1: we've had bringing mass along everyone. If you're not drinking already,
Speaker 1: make sure you drink a mass while you listening on purpose,
Speaker 1: and thank.
Speaker 2: You so much for coming by.
Speaker 1: I wanted for our audience please tag me and Mike
Speaker 1: with your favorite moments. I know you guys cut the
Speaker 1: best clips on TikTok and Instagram. Do that for this episode.
Speaker 1: There were so many moments where he was just downloading,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna have a big impact. So Mike,
Speaker 1: thank you again.
Speaker 4: Man, very grateful. Thank you so much for having me Broen.
Speaker 4: It's been honored. It was worth the wait. Man, appreciate
Speaker 4: you having me anytime. I appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with
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Speaker 1: find your purpose.
Speaker 2: Our children have become less imaginative about how the problem
Speaker 2: solve in parents and coaches have become more directive and
Speaker 2: trying to tell them how the behaviorsus teaching them how
Speaker 2: to behavior