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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is

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Speaker 1: your host Still and Dreyfus. Today we got a big

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Speaker 1: one one of my favorite players of all time, Gilbert

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Speaker 1: Arenas on the two thousand and four five Wizards, his

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Speaker 1: breakout season in the league. If you've been following the

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Speaker 1: good breakout season. Just something about looking back at those

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Speaker 1: to star. I just think is so cool. Gil really

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Speaker 1: side were two incredibly underrated Hoopers, Antoine Jamison and Larry Hughes.

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Speaker 1: The three nearly completed the rare twenty point per game trifecta.

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Speaker 1: vibes were just high in DC. Let's get into this

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Speaker 1: Seasons on the two thousand and four to five Wizards

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Speaker 1: with Gilbert Arenas begins right now. Gilbert Arenas, mister, no chill,

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Speaker 1: gil How you doing today, man?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me, Thank

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Speaker 4: Great to have you here today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be going back to two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: oh five, your breakout season. I know you won Most

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Speaker 1: just setting the stage real quickly for your your career.

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Speaker 1: Or you spent the first two years in Golden State again,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't Most Improved, you know, three, and then you

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Speaker 1: signed a deal in Washington in three or four. You know,

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Speaker 1: three or four isn't the best season? You only win

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Speaker 4: What sort of doesn't go right in that first season?

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Speaker 3: Everybody was new, you know, new coach, junior manager. I'm

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Speaker 3: The night before our preseason game, we're in Chicago, we

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Speaker 2: So you know, we go hang out with mj We meet.

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Speaker 3: Him at this lounge bar and he's already roasted it,

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Speaker 2: I had a dentist appointment.

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Speaker 4: In two thousand and three.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and three, this summer before I'm signing

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Speaker 3: So, you know, the fact that you had Kwame and

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Speaker 1: I've read that you're you're superstitious, and I've read a

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Speaker 3: I think it was chicken. It was either mac and

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Speaker 3: mac and cheese. It was like a three combo, you know.

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Speaker 3: Watch usually watch the Denzel movie that I fell asleep.

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Speaker 4: To, same one every time, No, just different.

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Speaker 3: Just long as it was greatness. I just needed greatness.

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Speaker 3: very little on game day. You know. It's more about

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Speaker 4: It was rules for success. What worked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like, what do I need my phone

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Speaker 4: To receive that's going to actually help me go perform?

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Speaker 3: None? It's all negativity, you know what I mean in

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Speaker 2: Some stupid.

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Speaker 3: It's always somebody got caught cheating. They've done like you

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Speaker 2: I've done seen it all. You know, a guy mood change.

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Speaker 1: I think some guys today could probably use that advice.

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Speaker 1: But it's harder. I mean, you're having you have like

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Speaker 3: You know, Larry is one of those those guys that

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Speaker 3: he has to know defense. He has to understand where

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Speaker 3: Hughes every single day, watching his move watching his mannerism,

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Speaker 3: We're going to go for a steal, it.

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Speaker 2: Kind of helped me out.

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Speaker 3: It helped me gamble more on defense because like, if

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Speaker 3: I think I was third, and I think I was

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Speaker 2: That one year.

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Speaker 4: I think it was uh huh, I'll double check that.

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Speaker 3: So we had like this this this this sink that

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Speaker 2: So we really gave him no break.

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Speaker 3: So when he came to somebody like Iverson, he'll guard Iverson.

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Speaker 2: At Iverson to try to wear him down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of just like Iverson, the other people in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gamble steel only. Yeah, I gamble still, you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to you know, I'm trying to rip somebody looking

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Speaker 3: we kind of played by principal and you know, by rule,

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Speaker 1: So I know you said you you took the playbook

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Speaker 1: it was a big statistical leap, like pretty much across

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Speaker 3: Actually no, So what ended up happening is, you know,

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Speaker 3: eight games, we had a different lineup every game. You know,

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00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: we were trying to figure out, you know, the best

435
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: lineup that all of us fit. And when the when

436
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: the what ended up happening was Jared Jefferies. We we

437
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: we played well with Jared Jared Jefferies because Jared can

438
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: play the four or the three.

439
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: He can guard the one, two, three, four, five, and

440
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: doesn't he all yes, and he doesn't.

441
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: Need the ball, So it was a perfect defense. It

442
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: was a perfect match for us because if we if

443
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: we had to guard Chris Bosh. Jared go get him,

444
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: you know, if we had to go you know, Vince Carter, Jared,

445
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: go get him, you know what I mean. So we

446
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: didn't really have so antwine. We just you know, we

447
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: can hide players better. So once we got the lineup set,

448
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: what ended up happening was Larry gets hurt. So I

449
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: don't know if a lot of people know it, but

450
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: Larry was playing like an All Star. So when it

451
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: came to like the beginning of the season, it was

452
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: probably Larry and Twine then me.

453
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: For All Stars voting. I was behind Larry.

454
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: I was behind Larry, I was third, I was third,

455
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: and I think I was third in scoring overall. And

456
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: then he breaks his thumb. I think he breaks his thumb.

457
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: And then we played San Antonio. Had a horrible game.

458
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: You lost it?

459
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah you yeah?

460
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: Three right for twelve?

461
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: Oh for two? Yeah, So I had a fucking horrible game.

462
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: And then I think we played Dallas the next night,

463
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: and then.

464
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: I and then I caught fire forty three.

465
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: And then from there I just took on the responsibility

466
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: of what Larry was bringing to the table. So I

467
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: think before that I was averaging like eighteen nineteen and

468
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: then by the time Larry came back, I'm averaging twenty

469
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: five a game. So I ended up So I ended

470
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: up going to the All Star.

471
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: That next like thirty games, you're pretty much at thirty.

472
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm taking on his scoring. And you know,

473
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: when I made the All Star I basically like like, non,

474
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: you gotta come. You got to come. I'll pay for

475
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: you to come, because it's your All Star. You know,

476
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: if you didn't get hurt, this this was yours, you know.

477
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: So you know, he came, he supported, He's a big

478
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: brother to me. So by the time he came back, mentally,

479
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: I was a whole different player too, because now I've

480
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: tasted how to carry a team, how to finish games,

481
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: how to like really dial in, you know, finishing games off,

482
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: playing in the last five minutes. So you know, with

483
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: with with with Larry being out, it kind of like

484
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: really had me, you know, hyper focused on you know,

485
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: tapping into another you know dimension for myself.

486
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 4: How was that first All Star experience Denver?

487
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: Oh five?

488
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean you're surrounded by Lebron, Ai Shack, d Wade,

489
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: Vince Carter, what's that.

490
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: Like walking in there?

491
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: It was it was like it was surreal.

492
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: It was you know what I mean, it's me, Dwayne Wade.

493
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 3: I think it was me, Dwayne Lebron's first All Star.

494
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: So I don't know if Chris Bosher made it that year,

495
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: but I know for sure us three, it was our first.

496
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: So we was acting like first timers, you know what

497
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean.

498
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: We want autographs, we want pictures. It was just it

499
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 3: was just one of those things like I didn't even

500
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: care about playing the game, you know, looking at beyond

501
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: saying Jay Z on the crowd and Kelly Rowland, all

502
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: these people. You just see all these superstars and I'm

503
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: more care I care more about like looking at the crowd.

504
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: I didn't even give a shit about that game, to

505
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: be honest. It was just more of just the atmosphere.

506
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: You know, had all my friends come back from high school,

507
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: come and you know, celebrate with me. I don't know

508
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: if I'm going to make it here again. It'll come on,

509
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: everybody come out and let's just enjoy this first one.

510
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: Anything that the common fan doesn't know about All Star Weekend,

511
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: we don't really want to be there.

512
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: You know, for the.

513
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: As a first timer.

514
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 3: That is like that is like the next level, like

515
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm part of the twenty four. This is the top

516
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: twenty four. But you know, but for someone like Iverson,

517
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: Kobe and allwimp it's more of an All Star break

518
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: is more of a like a mental break to get

519
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: ready for the second part of the season. So that's

520
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: why you don't see players really going as hard. It's

521
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: because you know, you know, if we take this year right,

522
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, you got Lebron, you got Kevin Duran, you

523
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: have you know Tatum, you got Curry. Those guys are

524
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: not going in that game and that weekend like we

525
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: need to. You know, they're like, Okay, this is like

526
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: a vacation because everybody else is going to cant Coon.

527
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: And ship the road. Players are with their girls and

528
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: like Turkey and Cacos.

529
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: You're you're you're in, like they're in like Cleveland this year, Cleveland.

530
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: So now you got to bring your family in Cleveland.

531
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: And it's like you're an All Star weekend break trying

532
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: to like like like to let it go before you

533
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: get ready into the real part of the season. You know,

534
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: once you know, after All Star break, if you're trying

535
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: to make a push, that's where you So, you know,

536
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: so after All Star break is where you really focus at.

537
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 3: You know, those teams are trying to position themselves and

538
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: you know, to have a great seed. Some some teams

539
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: are trying to make a push forward the playoffs. Some

540
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: teams are trying to figure out who they want to

541
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 3: play in that first round, you know. So it's really

542
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: more of a think as man games after that, after

543
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: that All Star break. So you know, most of those

544
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: players don't really want to be there because it's.

545
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Like we need this break.

546
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: We need the physical break, we need the mental break

547
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: so we can really go out and you know, get

548
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: ready for this playoff breach.

549
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: You know where the All Star Game is next year,

550
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: somewhere silly Utah?

551
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 4: What Utah?

552
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: Why? Why?

553
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're doing all these cold mother cities.

554
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: At least make the players have fun. We are getting

555
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,880
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Speaker 1: All right, so routing out the regular he's in forty

578
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: five wins. Uh, you guys finish as the five seed,

579
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: and you got those guys that that Jordan got you

580
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: up against in the preseason. You got Chicago and you

581
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: said before that their coach made a big mistake, Scott Skiles.

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: I think you said it on all the smoke that

583
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: he messed up.

584
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: He benched Eddie Curry, who you felt that you guys

585
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: just couldn't handle. I mean you guys, I wouldn't say

586
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Biggs were strength on your team. Just talk about talk

587
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: about why why that was such a big mistake on

588
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: his part.

589
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so throughout this season, you know, you know, Brendan's

590
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: in and out of the lineup because he was hurt.

591
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: I think he had a broken finger too. Brittan had

592
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: a broken thumb that that year. Kwame Brown was in

593
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: and out, like so what ends up happening is Kwame.

594
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: By the time Kwame comes back, Kwame hasn't actually broken

595
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: the starting lineup yet. So Kwame was coming off the

596
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: so he was a bench player. Now he was the

597
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: sixth man. So what ends up happening is we're going

598
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: into that playoff, that playoff round. Now, if you're talking

599
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: about a lineup of Eddie Curry and Tyson, we have

600
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: Brendan and at that part Jared Jefferies, which Thomas that's

601
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: coming off the bench. We're talking about starting. So you know,

602
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: you got Eddie Curry, who's who basically was an offensive

603
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: He was an offensive big. Curry was the defense I mean,

604
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Tyson Chandler was.

605
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: The defensive big.

606
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: So Curry down down low would have gave us problems

607
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: because we didn't really have anybody to stop him while

608
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: Tyson is cleaning up that backside. So by Scott Skiles

609
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: eliminating Curry kind of kind of helped us out because

610
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: they had to go a little bit smaller, which played

611
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 3: better to us. I struggled that that series, be honest,

612
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: because if you look at my stats throughout that season,

613
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: I think we played them three times. I was averaged

614
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: about thirty something, thinking about like thirty one, anywhere from

615
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: thirty one to thirty three against them, I was I

616
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: was cooking them. They sucked playoffs is whole different ballgame.

617
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: Who they throwing you hech Yeah, so.

618
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: They threw hiring, but they kept me.

619
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: It's like they their whole game plan was do not

620
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: let me inside that lane.

621
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: We dropped. We dropped two games.

622
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm struggling, and I remember Drew who was our strength coach.

623
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Drew was a Scottie Pittman strength coach, and Scottie Pippen

624
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: told Drew the only way they beat us is if

625
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 3: Gilbert plays decoy. He's not going to be able to

626
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: do what he did in the regular season against them

627
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Have to be a decoy. Is he

628
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: smart enough to decoy and let everybody else score?

629
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: He said this to you.

630
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: He said that to Drew. So Drew's telling me he's like,

631
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: he's like yo, Pip said, you know, he's like Pip said.

632
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: He said, this is what Pip said. He said, if

633
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: you if you're gonna try to if you you're not

634
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: gonna win this series by yourself, he said, if you

635
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: want to win this city, I mean this, uh this series,

636
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to average about fifteen.

637
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Eighteen at twenty to thirty.

638
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: Nah, because you're gonna you're gonna your percentage is going

639
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: to be so bad trying to score those points. So

640
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: either you gonna be selfish and try or gonna be

641
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: decoy win. So I had to really sit there and

642
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: think about it, watch the first two games and realize, yeah,

643
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pass the ball. Game three, you know

644
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't care right, So game three we

645
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: come back home. But you know, after game two, what

646
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: I realized about the playoffs. Was home court advantage. Was

647
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: home court advantage. Like when we went out there, we

648
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: went out there that first get those those two games,

649
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: and we came out of that tunnel and they started booing.

650
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: You can feel that ship, that vibration in your chest

651
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: the way that Chicago like you can like you.

652
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: Can the vibration of boo, like, whoa, this is rough.

653
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: So I remember, I remember after game two in the paper,

654
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: like I went to the the paper and basically said,

655
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: you know, can we please not boo Kwame Brown at home?

656
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: You know at home because at that point, you know

657
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: he was Kwami was having a real rough go at it,

658
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: you know, at home.

659
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: But you know, you you.

660
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: It was understandable. You got to think about it. Whatever

661
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: happened with the KWA, I mean, whatever happened with the

662
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: Jordan era that was that those first two years. The

663
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: next year ten and seven, he did well, all right,

664
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: he gets hurt that next year, so he's not with us.

665
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: We positioned ourselves. We was playing well without him. That's

666
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: what the city seemed. The city seemed, well, whoa, we

667
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: we good. So when he comes in the game and

668
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: he starts missing and all that shit, you know how

669
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: fans get boom, come on, they boo, Like think about it.

670
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: Ben Simmons got booted, and they were the number one

671
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: team in the Needs. They're the number one team in

672
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: the East. So now with Magins, you know, so they're

673
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: booing Kwame Brown the last part of that season at home,

674
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: like it was kind of I guess players is like,

675
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: we don't even want to pass on the ball because

676
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: we don't want him to miss because if he misses,

677
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: the'm gonna start booing. Like it affects everyone, not just him,

678
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: because you know, you're trying to play a game where

679
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: they're booing him.

680
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: Now you're playing to the crowd. Now he's open, you

681
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: don't want to pass him the ball because they're gonna

682
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: start booing.

683
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: Kind of, you know, kind of really function it up,

684
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: you know, not to be honest, I mean to be honest,

685
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: and it kind of it kind of throws it kind

686
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: of throws the whole morale of a comeback when one

687
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: person is getting booed. So I go on the paper

688
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: and say, please do not boom. We need all our

689
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: energy or Chicago. They bowed us out of this goddamn city,

690
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They boot us out of

691
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: the city. So can you please, can you please just

692
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: focus on these you know. So game three we come out,

693
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, here, oh here's something. So after

694
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 3: game two, oh my god, after game two. So after

695
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: we lose game two, our first practice back home was

696
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: a fucking disaster. Oh it was all. It was a disaster.

697
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: Players versus coaches.

698
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: So what ends up happening is the coaches are trying

699
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 3: to tell us what works, and we're trying to tell

700
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: them what works.

701
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: So both of us are right and both of us

702
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: is wrong.

703
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Gotta remember, coaches are looking like this, we're watching here,

704
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: so they're looking at the defense like this, We're looking

705
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: at it straight up. So what they're calling, We're like

706
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: that shit doesn't work. They're they're killing us with it.

707
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: So what ends up happening is this is all you

708
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: just bumping in. We're just yelling in practice. The coach

709
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: the coaching staff gets mad and said, well, fuck it,

710
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: fuck it, y'all want to do it, y'all think y'all

711
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: know do this shit, y'all seals, do this shit. Y'all

712
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: sales ain't gone to roll on my offense. It ain't

713
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: nothing w roll my offenses y'all defense, y'all how to

714
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: play defense right and everyone they stormed out.

715
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: So Brendan Haywood was like, man, this shits simple.

716
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: We're gonna do a one too two because back then

717
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: we was playing zone two one two two. Gilbert you

718
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: on the left side. Erber's on the left side. Jefferies

719
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Jeffers at the top of the key. Not Larry, No,

720
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: Larry on the side. What happens is when they do

721
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: the pick and roll. When they do that pick and roll, Jared,

722
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: you're you get the roll, guys, so you're rolling, You're

723
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: you're doing a you know, so Larry, so you get

724
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 3: the roll guy? Yeah, so you get the roll guy.

725
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: You're doing You and Larry actually end up on top.

726
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: You're baiting.

727
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, so no, so Kirk hiring Jeffery switch on

728
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: the Kirk hirt. Larry rolls with Tyson, but he rolls

729
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: them right into Brendan and popps back out. I am

730
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: denying just automatic straight, deny Douhon all the way in

731
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: the corner, just so the ball wouldn't go to Dane.

732
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: So what they were doing is they're swing, swing and.

733
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: Ding and Ding did this.

734
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: He did this run out of the corner move.

735
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: That he's not he don't catch, he don't catch Steele,

736
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: He's moving on the go.

737
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: So by the time the ball is swinging.

738
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: He's running for the past and Antoine's running by him

739
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: every single time. So they kept picking on Antoine's side,

740
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 3: so I had to deny Douhon so they couldn't even

741
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: make that pass, just let him go back the other way.

742
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: So we kind of did that and that's what worked

743
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: that thing that right there by Brendan Haywood taking over

744
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: practice put his ass in a doghouse moving forward in

745
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: the rest of our career.

746
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: Put Brandan in the doghouse.

747
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, put Brandan in dog.

748
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: What did the coaches say when they see the shit

749
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: that they didn't come up with working?

750
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: Put him in the doghouse?

751
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

752
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: You know, you take you know, I can say you

753
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: take it personal. You know you as as a coach.

754
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: You you want success, but you want like like certain

755
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: people who think they're smarter than you, you know, says

756
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: something in the works, You're like, fuck that, fuck that

757
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: did you know what I mean? It was one of

758
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: those type of type of things. So you know, we

759
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: end up we end up winning game. Three did that

760
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: they couldn't win one Game three, Kwame Brown plays three.

761
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 4: Minutes, not a lot of time for them to boom.

762
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it was a coach's decision.

763
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: Eaton was playing well. Eton had twenty off the bench.

764
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: You gotta remember, once you're coming off the bench, here

765
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: he's coming off. At that time, you have Eton, you

766
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: have Kwame, you have Michael Ruffin, Peter John Ramo, you

767
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: have You're pretty it's it's sloweded. So you know Eton,

768
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: and you know at that time Eaton a Kwame is

769
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: gonna fight for minutes. If Kwame was starting, then it

770
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: had been Jared Jefferies and Eton fighting for a minute.

771
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: So Kwame had a great game one not so good

772
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: game too, going back home where he was getting booed,

773
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: I guess coach just went with you know, Eton, Eton

774
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 3: was playing.

775
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: Well, so there was no point of pening Kwame in.

776
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: He only plays three games, Uh yeah, and so he

777
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: doesn't play after game three, and.

778
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: Then after that game, I mean, after that game, while

779
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: we're all like enjoying, enjoying the festivities of our win,

780
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 3: you know, we got Betty bo over there crying about

781
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: playing time.

782
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, so he gets Do you remember he gets

783
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: suspended for the rest of the playoffs.

784
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it started that night where we win. We win,

785
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: and he's over here yelling at He's yelling to the like,

786
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure what happened was a reporter probably asked him, hey,

787
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: you know you you didn't get very limited time today.

788
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: What happened? And then obviously your's fault. There's always Guber's fault.

789
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: So he says something like it's on Eton's page. Eton

790
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: Eton talks about this, this part of the scenario. So

791
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: he says something, and I was like, man, I'm fed

792
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: up at this point because we just were we won,

793
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: and you're over there just crying. So I said, man, fuck,

794
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: we're just better without the man. We're just better without him.

795
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: We're better without.

796
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: Him, we're better with him on the bench. And then

797
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: they go to him and he say, he said, they're

798
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: better without you. And then he says, well, if he

799
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: passes me the ball a little bit more, I can

800
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: be good. And I'm like, motherfucker. Every time I did

801
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: give him the ball, he didn't do ship with it, right.

802
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: So that's that's going on in the middle of a win,

803
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 3: like we won, we won, and you. You're sitting there

804
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: crying like a little girl.

805
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: So you know Kame does with Kwame did best.

806
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: You know, the best thing he ever did was put

807
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: the bottle to his mouth, go homes, gets drunk. You know,

808
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: it's Friday. It's Friday night. You know it's Friday night.

809
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: So obviously Kme's gonna do what came does.

810
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: Go home, get drunk, and then you know.

811
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: Pull one of those uh you know how like you

812
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: know how you get in a fight with somebody and

813
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: then when you get home by yourself, you you you do.

814
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: What you wish you would have did. Wow, man, I

815
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: should have said this and do it like yeah all

816
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 4: the time.

817
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: So we have practice the next day. So we have

818
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: this on a Saturday.

819
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: So this is a Saturday Saturday practice. He doesn't show.

820
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't show up.

821
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: It was the after game, after game four, so.

822
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: I got after game three.

823
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: He didn't show. So we played Friday. We played Friday,

824
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: and that's the twenty ninth, and then we, uh, we

825
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: have practice on that Saturday. Our next game is Sunday,

826
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: but we have the practice Saturday. He doesn't show up

827
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: for the practice. Then I guess the excuse was at

828
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: first that he was sick. You know, it's sick. And

829
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: then I guess he told the papers that, you know,

830
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: he didn't want to show up because he was gonna

831
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: slap me. You know, he don't he don't know what

832
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: he would have did if he showed up in practice

833
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: because he was gonna slap me, because in some way

834
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: he thought I told coach to bench him because he

835
00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: was in my way, so he didn't show up the practice, which,

836
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: to be honest, gives a shit. We just won by

837
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: twenty without him. We've won the whole season without him.

838
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 3: So you gotta remember, we're not talking about a guy.

839
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: We're not talking about a player that was there from

840
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: the beginning to the end. I don't even like, to

841
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 3: be honest, I don't even remember Tommie Brown that second year.

842
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 3: So when when this big old fight started between him,

843
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm confused, like.

844
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm the fuck out him.

845
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: I remember saying, I don't even remember. To be honest,

846
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: I don't even remember you. The second year he was injured,

847
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: we was playing we you know, I'm hyper focused. Larry's

848
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: out like so I'm really engaged in the in you know,

849
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 3: and trying to, you know, be the best I can.

850
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm not paying attention to what you're doing and.

851
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 2: Who you are.

852
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: So when when he didn't show the practice, it was like, heh,

853
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: that's fun. I give a fuck for well, why do

854
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 3: we care? So we go on and we went without

855
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: him four games. I was right, you don't need him

856
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: in a row? Or in a row?

857
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 4: Is that game five? Shot?

858
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Where's that ranking your favorite shots of your career? I

859
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: think of one that.

860
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: Was probably the first, that was probably the I'll say

861
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: that's the best one. And here's why I'm having a

862
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: horrible game five. I think I'm like two for fifteen.

863
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: We were up twenty in Pargo Jeremy Pargo comes in

864
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: and the whole crowd is leaving, and they all left

865
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: the building. It's empty genera general Parker. I'm sorry, I'm

866
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: thinking about the brother Yeah, I got the brothers and

867
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: he comes in and he's just falling. Three after three.

868
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean it was just like yo, like man is

869
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: on fire. He just caught fire. Bring them all the

870
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: way back and then you know they tied the game up.

871
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: And I remember going to the bench like I can

872
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: feel like I didn't see it. I could just feel

873
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: the crowd all back in there, like Michael Jordan, all

874
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: of them. I'm just Michael Jordan, Scottie pipping the whole

875
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: ninety six bulls like you just felt like everybody was

876
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: in there.

877
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: Get there here for Gil.

878
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So I have no idea what Eddie Jordans

879
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: talking about. I don't know what he drew up. All

880
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm thinking is this is my time, this is this

881
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: is what it's all for. I'm gonna hit this shot,

882
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 3: and I'm just like sitting I'm gonna hit this shot.

883
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drive it left. I can't get all the

884
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: way to the basket. I'm gonna just pull up hit

885
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 3: the jumper in his face. Yes, That's what I'm doing.

886
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: So all I hear is break freak go on. I

887
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: think it was Andy Piller taking the ball out. All

888
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: I said to say, man, just give me the ball,

889
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: just give me the buck, get the fuck out of

890
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: the way.

891
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the play was.

892
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: The play was, so all I did was just pop out, boom,

893
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: let the time go. And then all I seen was

894
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: Larry take a V line and then I see like

895
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: a pig pic.

896
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: Oh shit, the lane is open. So I drove and.

897
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 3: Then I seen Tyson stop like he's trying to stop

898
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: that lane. So I'm all right, pull up time, and

899
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: just pulled up splash, and I reviewed the play and

900
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, is this a double pick down?

901
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: There's a double baseline pick.

902
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: For Larry because Larry's by himself over in that corner.

903
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: Because Larry was balling, So I guess they said that

904
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: it was supposed to been a double pick baseline pick

905
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: and Larry was curling. All I seen was Larry dipped

906
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: out drive less.

907
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: It's guilt time. It's guilt time.

908
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: I zoned out. I didn't know what. I didn't know

909
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: what he wrote to this day. I just I just

910
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: assumed by looking at the play that it was a

911
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: double had to be a double baseline pick.

912
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure the ghost of Michael Jordan loved that.

913
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was. It was one of those

914
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: things where you know, it's probably the hardest. That was

915
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: probably like I have, I have the picture and I

916
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: just look at the crowd, just looking at just different

917
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: people inside the crowd doing this, and oh my god,

918
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: head down and just to see that the hope they

919
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: did all that. That is the worst loss. When you

920
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: lose by twenty, it already does sunk in. But to

921
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: be down twenty catch up, have hope. It didn't have

922
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: the hope taken away, you know, just just that power

923
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: that it gave me mentally pushed me into another level.

924
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Well, push you into another level. You win that series

925
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: in six And you said this before, but yeah, Shaq

926
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: and Wade coming now, it's a lot different than Janera

927
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Pargo and and Tyson Chandler.

928
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that was ah. So before that season,

929
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: we played Dwayne Wade in Miami, so it was like

930
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: a little little rivalry between me and Dwayne his rookie year. Nah.

931
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 3: This was this Wash four oh.

932
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: Five okay, right, regular season, Yeah.

933
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: This regular season, So I guess Shaq is them there.

934
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: So everyone's talking about Miami. So Miami's coming to town.

935
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: So a reporter asked me, like, how are you supposed

936
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: to stop this team? And I I think that was

937
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: the team So two thousand and four, that Olympic team

938
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: they lost, right.

939
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the them, the gnoble year.

940
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was like, uh, Dwayne Wade can't shoot,

941
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: so we just do what they did in the in

942
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 3: uh and then Olympics on him. You know, he can't

943
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, he can't shoot a gun. But we're just

944
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: sitting the laying right. So I said it, and then

945
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 3: I instantly regretted that ship.

946
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: I called he give me Dwayne waves.

947
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: And I called a man. I didn't mean none of that,

948
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: I said, Bro, I didn't mean none of that. I said,

949
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: I hate Yeah, So like, yeah, I didn't.

950
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: I didn't need none of that.

951
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: Duayne, I am sorry. You know he didn't.

952
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: He didn't accept my apology.

953
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: Like he accepted apology, but it didn't seem like he

954
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: accepted it on the court because he killed us in

955
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: free GA and you two. Yeah, he was chilling us

956
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: every game.

957
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: It's like he took that ship personal.

958
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: So when we played them in the playoffs, oh, I know,

959
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: he was like, yes, God damn it. There were just

960
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: a big There was just a big team. There was

961
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: just big there, big there, veteran team. You know, you

962
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: have Shack, you have Lonzo Morning coming off the bench.

963
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: You know, you have Dwayne Wade finding his game.

964
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: Eddie Jones damon Eddie.

965
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah you did have it Eddie Jones there, you know.

966
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: So it was it was it was a team that

967
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: you know, well, we're gonna beat.

968
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't even think we beat different.

969
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: Regular season, I don't know, oh for eight, yeah, because

970
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: I remember there was a sign. It was a sign

971
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 3: after after we won Game six, it was like, bring

972
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: on after games sake, bring gone the heat, Bring gone

973
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: the heat? Right game four, Game four at home. I

974
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: remember I'm sitting there exhausted, and I look up at

975
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: the crowd and it said you wanted the heat.

976
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: Your ass just got burned.

977
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, that is so hilarious.

978
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: But I cannot laugh right now. I cannot laugh right now.

979
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: But that sign is hilarry. You wanted the heat. Now

980
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: your ass just got burned. But yeah, they they beat

981
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: on us. There was no but that let us know

982
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: how far off we were, you know. You know, I

983
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: can be honest and say, if Eddie Curry was in

984
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: that first round, we we wouldn't have beat them. You know,

985
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: our we was heavy guards, we were we were better guards.

986
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: It would have been better bigs at that moment. Nothing

987
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: against you know, Brendan Brennan, and but you know Eddie

988
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: was Eddie was a scoring big that had power, you know,

989
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 3: and and Tyson Chandler just played his ass off.

990
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

991
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: I had I actually just talked to Andre Miller and

992
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about a Blazer's team when he was

993
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: with Greg Odin, and he said, two guys that he

994
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: felt could have been all time great big men that

995
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: didn't pan out are Eddie Curry and Greg Odin.

996
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 4: So he he Eddie Curry literally came up like Edie.

997
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 3: No, Eddie was. Eddie was. Eddie was very, very skilled.

998
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 3: He was a skilled big man, to be honest.

999
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: He had uh his jumping ability was nice.

1000
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: Also. It wasn't like he was just some some fat

1001
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 3: dude who didn't get out the floor.

1002
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: He he you.

1003
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 3: Know, I'm pretty sure he had probably like a thirty

1004
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: six thirty eight vertical for being as big as he was,

1005
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: big big, you know, I think he had heart problems

1006
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: or something, so that kind of like you know, hurt,

1007
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: you know, hurt as his career. But yeah, we we

1008
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: even with heart problems and him on the floor would

1009
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: have just it would have changed. It would have changed,

1010
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, that series.

1011
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: So you guys get swept by Miami and then something

1012
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: that I just think is ridiculous is that the next

1013
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: three years you get Lebron every single year in the

1014
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: first round.

1015
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: At what point does it get like wow, why, like

1016
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: why the.

1017
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: First the first year, we we were the better team.

1018
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: I think we just got out smarted.

1019
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: And it was something that I caught I caught later

1020
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: watching film, and what it was was when Lebron Lebron

1021
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: and decoy at the beginning of the game, and what

1022
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: he did was when he wanted to get to the

1023
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: basket and take over it. Give coach a look, and

1024
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: that look was to take out the big man. And

1025
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: once we take out once they take out a Galuskis,

1026
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: we take out Brendan. Now our backup big was at

1027
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 3: that point it was either a time or Michael Ruffin. Well,

1028
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: at that point, Lebron is not six' eight, Anymore like

1029
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: the fucking piece of sheet, says you know WHAT i,

1030
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: Mean he's not sitting at six. Eight he's like he's

1031
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: all of sixtead and he's just running through the lane.

1032
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: Unguardable Like, so if you ever look at all the

1033
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: game when she made against, Us Brendan haywood is not

1034
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: in the game because he subs At galskis so he

1035
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: can get to the. Basket and now you have sixteen

1036
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: two sixty five with a forty four inch vertical coming

1037
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: through the. Lane you know WHAT i, mean so it

1038
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: was it was one of those things where he just

1039
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: out just out smarted. Us but it was a hell

1040
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: of a series, though you, know everything went down to the.

1041
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: WIRE i, MEAN i think all of their, Wins, YEAH

1042
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 3: i think two of their four wins was game, winners

1043
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: basically last second. SHOT i think three of their wins

1044
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: was basically. That in Six, YEAH i think three of

1045
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: their wins was or was that the old five h six? Are,

1046
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: yeah greater wins and then SEVEN i was. Hurt EIGHT

1047
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: i came back and you, know SO i only got

1048
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: to play against in that one one great. Series other than,

1049
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: that it was we was. HURT i was.

1050
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 4: Hurt so you think five oh six was What wizards?

1051
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: Team do you think was the best team you?

1052
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: Had complete team was probably the old FIVE o six

1053
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: oh five oh?

1054
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: Six so you swap Out hughes For, Butler, no.

1055
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: But, no, no, no oh six oh. SEVEN i THINK

1056
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: i think our team was very. Good oh. SIX i

1057
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: think we had a very very good TEAM o six oh.

1058
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 3: Seven Because Larry hughes is old four oh. Five, No

1059
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: Larry HUES o four five, right because he left he left,

1060
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: too oh five oh?

1061
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 4: Six, butler oh.

1062
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: Five oh six, YEAH i think our old five oh six.

1063
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: TEAM i think our five oh six team was because

1064
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: we Had Jared Jeffery, steel, right we still Had.

1065
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: Jared Antonio daniels comes. In, uh That's blotch's rookie. Year

1066
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't play, much but he.

1067
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: Come. Yeah See bloch Was blotch was somebody we were banking,

1068
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: on very very, skilled very smart basketball. Player he just

1069
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: didn't it just didn't pan. Out because he was supposed

1070
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: to be the future four and twin go to the

1071
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: three kron at the two that we got four guys

1072
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: who can really put that ball in the, basket but

1073
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: he just it just never panned out that. Way we

1074
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: had to keep going smaller and we had to get

1075
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: The Shawn. Stevenson he was very he was very solid for.

1076
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: Us you, know you, know that was a great. Year you,

1077
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: know you know when people say you didn't win a, Championship,

1078
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: YEAH i got.

1079
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: Hurt at twenty.

1080
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 3: Five everybody was still early, twenties so we really never

1081
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: had a veteran team of twenty eight twenty. Nine we

1082
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: didn't have that everybody's twenty, two, three twenty, four so

1083
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: we really never got to really tap into you, know

1084
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: being you, know prime. Players you're THE.

1085
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: Gm what type of players are you trying to surround yourself?

1086
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: With i'm THE. Gm you're a then.

1087
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 4: At twenty four to twenty?

1088
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: Five what? What?

1089
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 4: What? What?

1090
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: What two or three skill set players do you think

1091
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: suit you the best in today's?

1092
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: GAME i pull players from today's?

1093
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 4: Game, yeah, sure why not.

1094
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: For my. Offense i'll Take. Jokic it's great take a.

1095
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: Game i'll Take jokic from my. OFFENSE i can use

1096
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: A Clay ilkic. Play can't go wrong with A. DRAYMOND

1097
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: i Love. DRAYMOND i mean it's obvious to Say lebron

1098
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: Or Kevin, durrant, right you know WHAT i?

1099
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: Mean being? REALISTIC i.

1100
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: Know, yeah so it's you, know more realistic of pay.

1101
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Grade and you, KNOW i think a nice three AND d,

1102
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: guy you, know or maybe another shot.

1103
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: Creator PROBABLY i can probably do some work with a

1104
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: player Like ingram.

1105
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: Running ingram got a big.

1106
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: Team, yeah you, know because With jokic And clay on a,

1107
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: court me on the, court you know that lane is.

1108
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: Open you, Know Jynen, brown somebody like, That.

1109
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: Pascal you, know you got guys.

1110
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: Who can really think the game, still you, know with They,

1111
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: okich everybody else around him is.

1112
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: Smart you, KNOW i don't have to be the primary.

1113
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: PLAYMAKER i can just be a Score and you, know

1114
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: The joki is one of those guys who's a number one,

1115
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: option or he can take himself a number three, option

1116
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: so he can go, thirty ten and, ten or he

1117
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: can go, fifteen twelve and, twelve you, know depending On you,

1118
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: know he's gonna do whatever it takes to. Win so

1119
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: with him being on the, floor you get to that's

1120
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: Why murray can go for, fifty you know at any given,

1121
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: time and you know it doesn't take away From jokic because.

1122
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: Just Like i'll get everybody else.

1123
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: Involved you do you you? Know SO i think you,

1124
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: know with that lineup that had been a great lineup for.

1125
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Me, well before we get you out of, HERE i

1126
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: just got to, ask you, know looking back at you

1127
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: during that, time just being so ahead of your time

1128
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: at the point guard, POSITION i think you're one of

1129
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: the first players ever to average twenty five and hit

1130
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: two threes a, game and one of the first players.

1131
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: Ever just crazy because that's you, know walk in the.

1132
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Park for everybody that's scoring twenty five these, days what is?

1133
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: It what is it like just watching this new generation

1134
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: of point guards really play exactly like you were back,

1135
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: then and then some with with more, shooting but not

1136
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: many guys back.

1137
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: Then who are who are? Shooting you know volume from.

1138
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: Three it was so, funny is you know when people

1139
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: talk about generational, PLAYERS i guess everyone was Just Alan

1140
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: iverson when it's it was technically. Me alan was a shooting.

1141
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 4: Guard he was the CULTURE i think he.

1142
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 3: Was he was you know when they, say you know

1143
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: he changed the guard players, like no that tech technical

1144
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: know because after the first year they pushed them to the.

1145
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: TWO i never got pushed to the shooting.

1146
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: Guard SO i stood my ground as the point.

1147
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 3: Guard so you, know while you Know maulberry And, francis you,

1148
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: know every being called ball.

1149
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: Hogs you, know we.

1150
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: Were we were like the little Ball hog.

1151
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: Crew but you, know the WAY i played.

1152
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: The, GAME i still had two guys that average you,

1153
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 3: know twenty also nineteen and. Twenty you, KNOW i think

1154
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: just the FLARE i played with that, group that next

1155
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: group is, watching you, know AND i think that's what

1156
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: people don't, Understand like the guard you see now is

1157
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: because of HOW i played the. GAME i made that position.

1158
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: Fun all that back to the basket that you, know

1159
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: set them up big men, style like BECAUSE.

1160
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: I REMEMBER i used to bump hands with.

1161
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: Coaches i'll do my pick and roll and they'll switch

1162
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: and coaches be, like dump the ball, down down low

1163
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: for what you don't see the, Mismatch and it's, like,

1164
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: technically that's not a. Mismatch it looks like a mismatch

1165
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: UNTIL i pass the. Ball then it's not a. Mismatch

1166
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen IS i pass. It they see the,

1167
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: mismatch they hurry up and double he kicks it, out swing,

1168
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: it swing, it bad shooter in the, corner because we

1169
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: all put our bad shooters in the. Corner it's not

1170
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: like we're putting our great shooter in the, corner because

1171
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: you want your great shooter on the same side as

1172
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: the big. Man so if they double you pass. It

1173
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: we put our bat so that means it's gonna, go,

1174
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 3: go go. Go we passed it to, him he, breaks

1175
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: OR i have a big man on. ME i can

1176
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: go one four, flat beat the big man to the.

1177
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: Basket who's back there to block?

1178
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 5: Me the?

1179
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: Guard, yay the same guard THAT i once you, up

1180
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 3: and then NOW i can throw it up or dump

1181
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: it off and he has an easy. Dunk, so you,

1182
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: know getting coaches just to just to realize that because

1183
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: they were so old, school you, know so, challenging you,

1184
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: know coaches their game, plans that that what they were,

1185
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: taught what they learned when they were, Taught like the

1186
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: game is, moving the game is, faster the game is

1187
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: Like i've watched enough basketball in my, lifetime believe it or,

1188
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: not like to understand what works and what didn't work

1189
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: way back WHEN i was, little because you, KNOW i

1190
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: wasn't the most, athletic you, know SO i had to

1191
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 3: learn the game from you, know being you, know it

1192
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: was more of x's and, o's you, know like my.

1193
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: Roommates my roommates were Dun levy And Luke grin are

1194
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: what camps in, Camps so from tenth grade all the

1195
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: way to our senior those were my two. Roommates so

1196
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: think about those type of. Players so that's what my

1197
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: brain was looking. At, oh you, know we got to

1198
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: do So i'm learning the white boy.

1199
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: FUNDAMENTALS i didn't want to say.

1200
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: It, Yeah i've learned the white boys, fundamentals you, know

1201
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 3: and then my athleticism kicked, it you, know so me,

1202
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: know me watching the. GAME i had to watch it with, detail,

1203
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: so you, know looking for advantages on a. Court and

1204
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: THEN i just brung that that With flair And Eddie

1205
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: jordan was just like do you you? Know and once

1206
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 3: you have a coach that says do, you it's it's

1207
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: kind of hard to stop that.

1208
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: Player what do you see in today's game that you

1209
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: think teams are just grouping and doing because everybody else

1210
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: is doing like that you were, saying you, know dump

1211
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: it to the post when you have the. Switch is

1212
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: there anything in today's game that you see that's just

1213
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: become the norm.

1214
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah threes and.

1215
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: Layups AND i think what ends up happening, is you,

1216
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: know everyone wants to be the next this right so

1217
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: you know back then when small ball was going, on

1218
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: WHEN i, played everybody wanted to be The.

1219
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: Suns, well unless.

1220
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: You ass Have Steve nash And Tomri, stottamyer that ain't gonna.

1221
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: Work that's not gonna.

1222
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 3: Work you, know same thing With jason you Have Jason,

1223
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: Kidd kenyamar And Richard. Jefferson that's why they can play that.

1224
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: Way you have the pieces to play that. Style we

1225
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: are in The east doing the same. Thing we have

1226
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: the pieces to play. That if you don't have the,

1227
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: pieces you can't do. That so when you're talking about

1228
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: threes and, layups and, well if you Have Curry, clay

1229
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 3: you Got, barbosa you Got Harrison, barnes you got, five,

1230
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: six seven players in the top ten and three point,

1231
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 3: percentage of course they can chunk. Threes but when your

1232
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: team everybody's fucking two hundred to four hundred and three point,

1233
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 3: percentage you don't shoot forty threes a, game you.

1234
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: Know AND i think that's what the problem. Is everyone

1235
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: looks at.

1236
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 3: The best players and say that's what we're gonna.

1237
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: Do, no, no, no, no they're the best.

1238
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: Players they're the. Best like if we watched the game

1239
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: where it Was Lebron james on the court With.

1240
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: Zak, Levine.

1241
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: John moran And Zion, williams and they played in the

1242
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: game and all they're doing is duncing lobbs and ducking

1243
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: and dunking and, Lobbing i'm pretty sure everyone's, like we

1244
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: just need to get some dunkers or some.

1245
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: Lobbers they're scoring so.

1246
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: Easy of, course look who ain't fucking that with the,

1247
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 3: team you. Know SO i think that you, know everyone's

1248
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 3: trying to play The Golden state, style but they don't

1249
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: have A Klay curry And Kevin durant on their team

1250
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 3: to shoot those. THREES i seen one game they shot

1251
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: it was something was thirteen for.

1252
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: Fifty think The celtics and, yeah was that? RECENT i

1253
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 4: think The South.

1254
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 3: You, know fuck are your team like, okay like Like

1255
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: i'm thinking about my team right we were big and

1256
01:06:52,240 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: shooting threes two of us. TWO i can't even imagine

1257
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: who else would have been shooting threes to give us

1258
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: twenty five. More whoever that was did it cuts the fuck.

1259
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: Out i'm, sorry but but that's what it's allowed, now just.

1260
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: Anyone like you have players that are horrible shooting more

1261
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: threes Than Ray allen, Did, like how are you shooting

1262
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: five six a?

1263
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: Game?

1264
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: What and you wonder why the scoring overall is not?

1265
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: Better like we was having about one hundred and. Four

1266
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: it's one hundred and six to one hundred and eight

1267
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: today in today's, game you guys are shooting at least

1268
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: fifteen more threes per.

1269
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: GAME i think the analytics just creeped in way too.

1270
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 4: MUCH i, mean but it's, static but.

1271
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 3: You're analytics being off of the best, team like what's

1272
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: so funny is back In showtime, days they averaged one

1273
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: hundred and ten to one hundred and eighteen points games

1274
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 3: through the.

1275
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 4: Lead no, threes no.

1276
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: Three they was not. Shooting so there's something everyone's missing,

1277
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: Here like if you, shoot you get a number threes and.

1278
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: Layups that's just peer missed.

1279
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 3: Baskets the reason that free throws are very important is

1280
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: because it stops the. Clock so you get two points

1281
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: and the clock is. Fucked so that, means you, know

1282
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: if a guy is sitting there with fifteen and the

1283
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: team is shooting twenty five thirty, threes you're gonna bet

1284
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: he's that team scores one p fifteen because that's that's thirty.

1285
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 3: Points that really didn't affect the shot. Clock that's HOW i.

1286
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 3: SCORED i wait until we were in a. Penalty from,

1287
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: there it's it's bulldog. Basket I'm tasmanian devil at that,

1288
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: Point i'm just trying to get. Fouled stop this.

1289
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: CLOCK i can shoot this free.

1290
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 3: Throw it doesn't go against my my shooting, Percentage, yeah

1291
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: SO i can. STILL i can steal these free, throws

1292
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: get nine of them a. Game don't affect antoine or

1293
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: coron Or antoine And Larry HUGHES.

1294
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: M do you ever think about going into? Coaching and

1295
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: you're making waves in the media space right, Now but.

1296
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: The deal with a player like?

1297
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: Me how do you deal with a player making forty five?

1298
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: Million, yeah you don't have to be a, head you,

1299
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: know to be the head.

1300
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 4: Coach you don't have to TELL i, MEAN i.

1301
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 3: Don't mind being like like, Like i'm more of A

1302
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: winter's was? It what was? That what was? That is

1303
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: that his? Name text?

1304
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 2: Winners?

1305
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Textually i'm more of a text like a

1306
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: trainer shooting, coach behind.

1307
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: The trainer shooting, coach or just that guy that people

1308
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 3: came to THAT i know who to sub in at what.

1309
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: Time So i'm one of those types like all, right,

1310
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah jokic or this player is great right now he

1311
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: is bad at this.

1312
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: Moment he hates this.

1313
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: Guy this guy that averages four points FOR us will

1314
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: average twelve against him because somehow he has his, Number

1315
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 3: LIKE i can see. That, no, no, no, no, no don't

1316
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: put him at the. End don't put this guy in

1317
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 3: at the end of the, game because the last three

1318
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 3: minutes he. Chokes you, know he might be our star

1319
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: player first three, quarters but in the Fourth no, no, no no,

1320
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 3: No so don't call any plays for him because he

1321
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to play in the last four. Minutes,

1322
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: See i'll, Know i'll know that. Stuff that's WHAT i

1323
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 3: pay attention. To tax, arenas ex. Aerenas, yeah there we.

1324
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 3: Go we'll look out for. IT i.

1325
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 4: Mean and he just closing.

1326
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: THOUGHTS i mean twenty twenty years now almost since that

1327
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: that four or five, season your breakout.

1328
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 4: Year it is what it, is you, know the dust is.

1329
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 4: Settled just what do you what do you think about

1330
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 4: that that?

1331
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: Time you, know you, know you, know for you, know

1332
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: for being there my second, year you, know making the,

1333
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 3: playoffs hitting the game, winner winning the. Series you, KNOW

1334
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 3: i think for the, CITY i think THAT'S i think

1335
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 3: that was. It everything else was you, know cherry on

1336
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: top for, them you, know something that wasn't done by

1337
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: The Michael, jordan By Chris weber and you Know Juwan

1338
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: howard and then winning a series AND i, think you,

1339
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: know me going in there doing, THAT i think that right.

1340
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 3: There you, know it's set the, tone you, KNOW i

1341
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: think they set the. Tone and you, know and and

1342
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: and it felt it felt. Great you. Know you can

1343
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,879
Speaker 3: See i'm standing on the, Tape i'm.

1344
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 2: Swinging the towel.

1345
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: Around it was, just you, know it was just a whole.

1346
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 3: Vibe it was just a whole. Vibe and you, KNOW

1347
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 3: i DON'T i don't care what anybody.

1348
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: Says and the only person that can.

1349
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: Say that had crowd control like, that it's Probably. Curry you.

1350
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: Know curry is one of those guys that you, know

1351
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 3: he plays for the. Crowd he, talks he has, fun

1352
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 3: he enjoys. It and you know that's WHAT i. Did you,

1353
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 3: know WHEN i look around and see crowd, control Probably

1354
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: curry has The curry has the most crowd control where he.

1355
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 3: Can he can get That Golden state fan basically whatever

1356
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: whatever he.

1357
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 4: Wants and they should be.

1358
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 3: Afraid this should be afraid when he. Does this means

1359
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 3: everybody come up to the.

1360
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: Court, yeah And andy can shut the road, team the

1361
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: road crowd up real. Quick i've never seen somebody. Silence

1362
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: they hold their breath every single time he touches the.

1363
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: Ball every time he touches the, ball everyone's, like, yeah for.

1364
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: REAL i was In memphis For game one and it's

1365
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: just like even what he's, missing it's just like whenever

1366
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: he touches the, ball, silence.

1367
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: Like you, know it's so.

1368
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 3: Funny is like there's some players in the. League when

1369
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 3: they make, it you're, like oh, shit he made. It

1370
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: when he, misses you do, that oh shit he. Missed

1371
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 3: When clayton miss like oh s Clay like like what

1372
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 3: you're trying to, like did he? Really are those real

1373
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: Missing those are real? Misses are? You? Like these guys

1374
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: became so good at what they did you're were surprised

1375
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 3: when they.

1376
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: Misshot they're so fun to watch BRO i, MEAN i

1377
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: know The grizzlies are like they Got. Moran he's doing crazy, stuff.

1378
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: Explosive but we were talking about like, basketball like the

1379
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: way that they move and. Zip if you watch The,

1380
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: warriors whenever somebody touches the, ball immediately something. Happens it's

1381
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: either a pass shot or a. Dribble there is literally

1382
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: no passing stand and it. Works and Now pool is

1383
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: looking like the reincarnation OF i don't, Know Jamal crawford

1384
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: on steroids or.

1385
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 3: Something that's.

1386
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 4: Crazy and that's It and that's why.

1387
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 3: That's WHY i like watching them because it reminds me

1388
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: of The. Princeton it was The, princeton you, know, cutting,

1389
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: pass pass and cut you know WHAT i, mean don't

1390
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 3: stand move without the, ball and, like you, know LIKE

1391
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: i show my, KIDS i show my kids LIKE i

1392
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: personally think every every at every, level they should be

1393
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: teaching instant often because the more everyone's working on an individual,

1394
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 3: skill they're not realizing that there's only one.

1395
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: Guy for most times that gets to.

1396
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 3: Hold the ball like. That and if you guys are

1397
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: working on an individual skill with the, ball that means

1398
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 3: you're not learning how to score without the. Ball so

1399
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 3: if you're not the number one, option you don't know

1400
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 3: how to score at this point. Anymore SO i, think you, know,

1401
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: integrating you, know just the princeton so everyone understands the

1402
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 3: movements when this guy has the, ball cut, slash my

1403
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 3: guy looked cut behind, Him like to understand how to

1404
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: move and be great with other great.

1405
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 4: Players it's tough to do that IN, Au.

1406
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, impossible because everyone cares, about you, know being the.

1407
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 3: Demand if you don't like, it you switch. Teams so

1408
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 3: everyone's moving and going really. Hard bring back the old school.

1409
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: Days you're, like you're like a pioneer for the.

1410
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: Past yeah, yeah, yeah all, right you, know well you

1411
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: gave us some, gems, MAN i really appreciate. THAT i,

1412
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: know that just my community loves loves you first of,

1413
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: all and that That wizard. Season like you, said people

1414
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: get so caught up in the championship or. Bus you,

1415
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: know you want a playoff series for a city that

1416
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: hadn't had anything damn near twenty. Years you, know that's

1417
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: that's a championship in its own. Right So i'm glad

1418
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: we got to do. This and, yeah, yeah.

1419
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 6: Championships you, know you got to have the right the

1420
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 6: right the right team lot the right, time with the right,

1421
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 6: matchups you, know like you, know like everyone talks About Kevin,

1422
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 6: durant you, know going getting four, old you have the worst.

1423
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 6: Matchup you don't want to Play boston like you would

1424
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 6: have rather been a seed and played you, know you.

1425
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't Play. Miamian you probably wanted to Play chicago

1426
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 3: or team like. That you, just you, Know Kevin, durant

1427
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 3: you got to Be you're being guarded By Jayden Brown

1428
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: tatum And.

1429
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart horford, too and they're funneling, you AND i don't.

1430
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: GET i Don't i'm, SORRY i don't.

1431
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: Get i'm not going to talk down On Steve, nash

1432
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: but he's playing at the same time on the. Court,

1433
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: Uh Seth, Curry, Kyrie Bruce brown and drags.

1434
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: Because he's trying to he's trying to put. Up it

1435
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 3: makes sense offensively because you're trying to you're trying to

1436
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: relieve pressure Or, kevin because the more defensive players you,

1437
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 3: have the less the defense actually wants to.

1438
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: Move and that's what happens to The.

1439
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: Lakers so what happens is you have three guys on

1440
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 3: the floor that's there for. Defense no offense means the

1441
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 3: two offensive players are being guarded by five. Defenders makes

1442
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 3: it harder for, them you. Know so it's it's trying

1443
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 3: to pick out that balance to to. Relieve so With Kevin,

1444
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 3: durant you want to put more. Scores so everyone has

1445
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 3: to play man on man and you can't funnel. Them

1446
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 3: but then those, sorry those those guys now got to play,

1447
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 3: defense which they're not very. Good.

1448
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 1: ATS i, HOPE i Hope lebron just you, know sucks

1449
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: up his. Pride go somewhere. Comfortable you, know you're not

1450
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be like grinding for forty.

1451
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: Minutes but It's.

1452
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: La It's, la. Man you can't get anybody to come TO.

1453
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: La they got some they got some work to, do

1454
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: AND i don't know if they got the in the front.

1455
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: OFFICE i don't know if they have the people that

1456
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: are able to figure that out from all, yeah.

1457
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 3: But that that purple and, goal like you, Know Magic

1458
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: johnson can't call anybody and, say, hey come, on leak

1459
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: it to The Subshi city's, true but everyone's making so

1460
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: much money these days endorsement deals doesn't matter where you.

1461
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 4: Are you still think certain, CITIES i guess because.

1462
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 3: No matter, what you become a you become a you

1463
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 3: become a.

1464
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 2: Superstar like, look how look at the flop side of.

1465
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: It The White howard was second in, scoring number one in,

1466
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 3: rebounds number one in. Blocks he got booed out OF.

1467
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: La they didn't even look At Paul, saul who was

1468
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: having a horrible.

1469
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: Year, no it's it's The White sowers.

1470
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: Fault westbrook average is what eighteen eight and?

1471
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 2: Seven just boo the fuck out of.

1472
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 3: Here that's how that's how they can break you or

1473
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 3: make you IN, la you know WHAT i. Mean you,

1474
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 3: know so if if he was averaging a triple double

1475
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 3: those triple double, years he would have been fucking. Mega

1476
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: but you know that's the type of city when you

1477
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 3: go to, them them big time. Cities If John moren

1478
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 3: was In la come, on.

1479
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: Come, on come, on Bring i'm In New, york, now

1480
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: bring somebody To New.

1481
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: York dian's coming that.

1482
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 3: Way i'm Sure zia is coming that way.

1483
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 4: Again you.

1484
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: KNOW i Love, Zion i'd love, him but why not

1485
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: like a star that doesn't have massive question marks and

1486
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: it might not have an unfixable Foot i'll take just,

1487
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: once you, know, NATURALLY i love for it to, happen.

1488
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 3: But It's i've said, it and Usually New York nick

1489
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 3: fans don't want to hear. It they hate. It they're.

1490
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 3: Stubborn they're, stubborn they don't get, it and they have.

1491
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: To understand just human human.

1492
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: Nature just they go A New York knicks fan go

1493
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 3: against human nature and they don't realize. It like you're

1494
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 3: booing your home team expecting that the booze help them perform.

1495
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 3: Better where does that happen on anything else in? Life

1496
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 3: if you're if you're in the middle of a rap,

1497
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 3: battle right AND i start, Booing i'm on, You i'm your,

1498
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: friend AND i just start booing.

1499
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: You you shut, down.

1500
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: Right if you're in the big of a concert and

1501
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 3: the crowd start booing you don't spit out harder rhymes

1502
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: you say if you and get get off. Stage if

1503
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: you're a, comedian you start. Booing he doesn't pull out

1504
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: his best. Jokes he gets the hell out of. There

1505
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: if you're having if you're having a sexual relationship with

1506
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 3: your girl and in the middle of it you start booing,

1507
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: her you start booing. Her she doesn't bring out THE

1508
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: a one game, this it's a few and she's out

1509
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 3: of there. Right try.

1510
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: It going in the middle of her doing, something you shoot.

1511
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 3: Boom but The New york fans think that turns into.

1512
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 4: Success it.

1513
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 3: Doesn't it makes them resent. You it makes the players

1514
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 3: not want to be. There it makes them not want

1515
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: to go out. There every new besides the Crazy New

1516
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: york fans AND i Mean New york players in the

1517
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: eighties early, nineties everyone's everyone.

1518
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: Says then they hate they hated plan for The.

1519
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 3: Knicks everyone loves playing against The knicks in the garden

1520
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: like we love as an.

1521
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: Opponent come, there whoop on you, guys.

1522
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 4: Watch the booze come. In but that's but that's the.

1523
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: Thing the reason everybody loves playing is because it's technically

1524
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 3: a home game for The. Star IF i can come

1525
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 3: there AND i get. Going you're gonna cheer for, me

1526
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 3: and your booze to me is like it this on

1527
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 3: when you bow your. Home that's. Hurtful IMAGINE i just

1528
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 3: hit four threes and you're. Booing they're booing, you and

1529
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 3: they're cheering. Me how do you? Feel like?

1530
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: SHIT i know somebody that they could bring into maybe

1531
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: consult the players for how it feels to be booed

1532
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: by their home.

1533
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 4: Crowd on The brown but.

1534
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: Look at, him look out look but, no, no, no, no. No,

1535
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 3: actually if if you really want to get this point,

1536
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 3: across think about. It look How Krome brown performed at.

1537
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 3: Home look what happened To Ben simmons at? Home look

1538
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 3: what happened To westbrook at? Home now you're doing it

1539
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 3: to your whole. Team see they think LIKE i remember

1540
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 3: WHEN i said. IT i, Said, randall you're saying you

1541
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,440
Speaker 3: Love New york nick. Fans and that was the, soundboard,

1542
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 3: dude it was the B it was out of the.

1543
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: Bubble there was only two thousand people allowed in the.

1544
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: Stadium they used the, soundboard so there was no. Booing

1545
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: even the ref the refs even put in the. Rule

1546
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: the refs put in the rule that the crowd that

1547
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 3: usually says refuse. Suck they're not allowed to play. That

1548
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 3: so home crowd who said. That so part of the

1549
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 3: deal in the bubble in that first, year the refs put,

1550
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: in you can't say the soundboard can't say.

1551
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: Refuse so it became a great.

1552
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: Atmosphere so now for the first time in The, garden

1553
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 3: it was all. Positivity it's all. Positivity so like and,

1554
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 3: toil the crowd. Changes as an, opponent we look at

1555
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 3: there and we're, like, man they boot their, home they

1556
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: boot their home. FANS i don't want to sit here

1557
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: and play forty two forty one games in the city

1558
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: and they booed thirty eight of. Them that that's.

1559
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: Horrible that's a horrible.

1560
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 4: Feeling but when you perform, word you, know.

1561
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah but think about throughout a.

1562
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: Game it's it's.

1563
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: Up and down.

1564
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: Games so you don't want to tell me it's the

1565
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: whole ten million people In New york that have to hear,

1566
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 1: this that it's.

1567
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 3: The boed bab. Ruths, yea they, Booed they booed their Cheap.

1568
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: If Michael jordan was there able to.

1569
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 3: Blow Michael, jordan probably That's New. York but that's. Why

1570
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 3: but that's why you're looking at a team that that

1571
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 3: spends the most money in franchise, history but they have

1572
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 3: the worst Home New York knicks has the worst home

1573
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: record in basketball history percentage.

1574
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: Wise, God so you're Just i'm just going to try

1575
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 4: to look.

1576
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 5: At why why things are. Successful white things. AREN'T i

1577
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 5: had to do the study at. IT i studied by

1578
01:23:54,320 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 5: Gil that's a great way to end. It it's a somber.

1579
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 5: Note tell, Me i'm gonna be miserable for the rest

1580
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 5: of my life as A knicks. Fan it, Happens it,

1581
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 5: happens all, right, bro we'll tap into you on The

1582
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 5: Note chill, podcast one of the best out.

1583
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: There thank, You thank you again for your. Time i'm

1584
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: excited to put this out to the. PEOPLE i really appreciate.

1585
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 3: It no, Problem thank you for having. Me that's a.

1586
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: Wrap appreciate you. Guys tapping in that Was Forgotten seasons

1587
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: With Gilbert arenas on the two thousand and Five. Wizards

1588
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,360
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