WEBVTT - Natalie Cuomo 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.480 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.800 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.560 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.440 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:22.440 I'm not your dad. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.800 You come or don't come, but you should at least 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.520 know what's happening, and it is. The tour kicks off 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.160 late September and goes through the end of the year 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.120 and beyond. Tickets are available at the Craig Ferguson Show 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.080 dot com slash tour. They are available at the Craig 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.520 Ferguson show dot com slash tour or at your local 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:46.440 outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:51.080 name of this podcast is joy. I talk to interest 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:57.160 in people about what brings them happiness. My guest today 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.520 is cool and the young, which to me asked the 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.760 question what is she doing here talking to me? 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.560 But she is. He's very interesting and funny. Natalie Cuomo. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:22.039 Weird as weird maggot infection and his ass and her ass, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.960 and it's like, oh my god. And I the bet said, no, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.840 it's quite serious. So you have to like, let's get 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.440 him out now and then bring around them. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:30.600 Like to do it yourself. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:36.480 Apparently you know. Now I'm a millionaire, I have apparently. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.080 Yeah, it was quite a rare thing, but I was 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.600 pulling these little maggots out of my dog's ass. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.640 It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever done 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.679 in my life. And I've done some prey disgusting. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.520 Thing now me too, And I can say I've never 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.840 pulled maggots out of a. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.440 I'd say yeah, you say yeah, behind yeah, Like if 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.640 you brush your dog's teeth. I'm guessing you love your dog, right, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.120 I love him? Yeah, all right, so you love your dog? Yeah, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.000 And then suddenly you get the diagnosed, I'm afraid your 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:03.320 dog has maggot ass. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:04.000 I'm in there. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.360 It's good to talk about. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.000 Get the maggot ass conversation out first, because I am 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.280 interested in like quite a lot on this podcast. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:15.720 We get young comedians on. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.320 I'm not I hope it's not patronizing to call you 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.240 a young comedian, but you are, and you are a comedian, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.600 and I'm fascinated by it because the route that you 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.359 guys take, the rount that you guys take, seems very 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.520 different to what I did back in the day, because 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.799 I don't know if you know this without me, I 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.040 am an old comedian and it's a very different thing. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.160 Like correct me from wrong. Yeah, but you like start 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.919 out wanting to be a comedian. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:41.400 Yeah, of course. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.120 See, I didn't want to do that. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.200 I just I just like, what do I want to do? 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.160 I just I don't know, stay out of jail. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.600 It's like like, to me, being a comedian is like 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:52.960 being a realtor or something. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.880 Yeah, to be fair, I did want to be an 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.160 actor for most of my life. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.560 Okay, kind of failed at that. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.480 Right, So you've failed as something that's good, So you're 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.919 you're now you're on your way beating yeah. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:04.639 Yeah. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.240 And then I was like, all right, now it's time 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:08.120 to do comedy. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.959 But wait, how can you fail at being an actor? 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.959 You're are you even thirty yet? 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:13.679 I'm nine? 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.560 Okay, so that's not that's not failing yet, you know. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.400 I mean that's that's like you didn't you weren't up 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.200 for it, Like did you do additions and stuff? 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.280 I think what I mean by failing is I gave 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:26.119 up on myself. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:27.239 Oh that's good. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:33.240 See now the darkness begins to emerge. Yeah, yeah, the 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.360 specter begins to emerge from the fall because I my 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.040 feeling is the most well adjusted, nice. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.120 People I've men show is that's that everybody? 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.720 Are the people that make dark shit like Quinn Tarantino, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:51.200 Stephen King so nice, so upbeat, so kind of yeah, hey, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.400 how you doing, No, don't worry, I'll get it. The darkest, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.280 nastiest people. Actually, the nastiest people are the ones who 0:03:58.320 --> 0:03:59.920 make romantic comedies. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.040 They're like the worst. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:02.840 Yeah. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.240 Like if anybody says I write I want to write 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.400 and direct romantic comedies, run red flag. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.360 Yeah it's a red flag to me. I'm afraid. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.720 But do you want to do that romantic comedies? 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:14.000 Yeah? 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.160 No, No, What did you want to. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.760 Do when you were an actress then? Or when you 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.800 were when you were acting? 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.080 I just wanted to be like in like a drama 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.040 being just like the emotional teenage girl. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:25.560 That I was. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.359 That's our So what were you watching? 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.359 But he wasn't Like, let's see, if you're twenty nine, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.880 I guess what were the things you'd be watching as 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:34.359 a kid. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.880 Like, if I'm being completely honest, like I grew up 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.359 this is an unexpected twist. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.520 I grew up a hardcore musical theater kid. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.640 Oh okay, yeah, so I don't think that. I don't 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.640 think the dust is I don't think the game is 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:49.840 over with musical theater. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.560 Yeah, the game's over with musical theater. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:52.440 I don't know. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.960 I don't know at what point is the game over 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.040 with musical theater. Like if somebody comes to you and go, okay, look, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.279 we're recasting Hamillton. We're doing Hambledon against an all female cast, 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.600 and we want you to be George Washington. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.360 No, actually, do you know what This is a great 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.320 idea me George Washington. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.719 I don't female Hamilton. I think that's awesome. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.200 Yeah, I do think that's cool. I just think that. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:16.160 I don't know. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.200 I feel like I didn't find my voice until I 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.440 started doing comedy because the confidence I gained from failing 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.680 so much in comedy is what made me the person 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.120 that I am. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.279 It's a failure based thing. And yeah, that's interesting. When 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.280 did you first Did you do it like an open 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.000 mic or something? 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.679 Yes, I it's so funny. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.600 The first open mic I went to, it was canceled, like, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.719 so I walked to another one that day I was canceled, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.599 so I had to go to the third one that day. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.560 That's good joke, yes, right, okay. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.239 And I went to that one. I talked so fast 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.560 it was horrible. But then I went every day since. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.200 And did the audience react poorly? Where they or were 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.080 they just quiet? 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.640 I kind of black the first one, I kind of 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.560 blacked out, like I just talked. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.279 Really fast, got off station, was like I did it. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:02.800 Yeah. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.560 But that's the thing I think that that is about 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.000 that about being a real comedian is that when you fail, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.320 like a normal person would say, well that was so horrible, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.719 I never want to do that again. But when you 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.640 die as a comedian, you're like, all right, well that 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.640 wasn't what I planned, but I'll do it again. And 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.599 your immediate thing is to go back and do it again. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.440 What's your background? Like, man, what you grew up in Queens? 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:30.880 Yeah? 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.680 All right, so your musical theater kid. So you're like 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.920 you're you're like doing Annie and stuff in high school 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:38.560 that kind of thing. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.560 So up until like middle school, high school, I was 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.359 pretty much bullied out of liking musical theaters. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.640 I can't imagine you're being bullied. You seem like you're 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:47.200 on your game. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.960 Well it happened, all right, Okay, I believe it. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.440 And then I just got really into like the environment. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.120 I thought I was going to be a farmer. I 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.680 went to college for Queens. Yeah, I did. Like this thing. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.680 It's called like gorilla gardening, where you find kind of abandoned. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.240 All right, yeah, it's not let you go. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.640 That gorilla helped me and my I'll put a hat 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.160 on that gorilla and a bit of an overalls and 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.080 it will help me. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.160 And it will be my boyfriend. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.560 Okay, that's all right. Dude, do you have a you married? 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:23.480 I am married? 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:24.920 All right? So how long you been married? 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.120 Two weeks? 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:27.640 Shut up? 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.520 Congratulations lovely. Shouldn't you be on your honeymoon or something? 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.120 We went away for like a week? 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.960 Okay? Yeah? Is your husband in show business? Yes? Does 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.280 he do comedy? Yeah? 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.360 Okay? How's that? You guys write together and stuff we do. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.480 I think the only struggle is like I'll tell him 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.400 a joke idea that I think is really good, and 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.720 he'll be like, no, that's not good. And I'll be like, no, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.600 it is good. Yeah, I'll be like I can't let 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:55.040 you do that. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.000 Did you meet him in the comedy world, Like did 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.360 you see him as a stand up before you before 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.920 you like you started going out? 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.120 Yeah, we actually met. Like I was taping my special 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.760 and the host canceled on me last minute, like that day, right, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.720 and he was my friend and I was like, I'm 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.040 so mad at this girl she canceled on hosting. He's like, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.440 is there anything I could do? I'm like, you could 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.040 host the show? And then we got together that night. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.520 Oh nice. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.920 Yeah, so you you have a I don't understand how 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:26.480 that works. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.200 Like, you have a host for your special? 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.720 What does that mean because I've done I've never had 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.240 a host on any specially Yeah. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.640 No one does time up top. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.120 No fuck no, no, I don't do that. Like I 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:37.880 used to have. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.600 You do the whole and that you don't you warm 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:41.960 them up, you do the whole thing. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.400 Yeah, okay, well you're more of a badass. I don't 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:44.920 know what to say. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.240 No, no, I'm cheap. It's what it is. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:48.840 Like I'll go out and say to the audience, I 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.640 know you were probably expecting to warm up, but what 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.320 I thought i'd do is just suck for the first 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.760 ten minutes and charge myself a thousand dollars. And but 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.280 I kind of like, I didn't used to do it. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.280 I used to have but I see what you mean now, right, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:02.440 But I didn't used. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.360 To do that. I used to do the other way. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.520 So he kind of opened for you. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.720 Yeah, that's that's kind of an interesting power dynamic going on. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.040 You're like, okay, you open for me, and then you're like, hey, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:14.800 you want to go out, And. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.640 Then now you're married and he's telling you your jokes suck. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.880 No, it's great. We tour together, which is fun. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.679 So that's great, you know what. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.520 That's the way to save you know, or or keep 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.560 your keep the love alive, because. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.880 You know, if you're a comic, you're going to be 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:32.480 on the road. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.400 Yes, we so we both like we tour together and 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.400 then at the end we'll like go on stage together, 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.040 which is fun. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:40.760 Oh nice. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.440 So can you do things like a joke from your 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.840 perspective something happened, and then he can do it and 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.840 his say a joke from his persection the same thing happened, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.920 and then you can like argue about it in the end. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:51.880 Yeah, well argue. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.199 Yeah, that's great. I think I think this sounds like 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.120 a great show. Yeah, and so are you doing clubs 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.319 or are you? I guess younger comedians. Now everything's about 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.440 social media, right, like that's the way up. Now, do 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.720 you do you have all that the Instakart and instacart 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:10.160 for sure? 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:10.560 Yeah? 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:16.120 Rights, yeahbrates you gotta have that Instagram? Yes, and tickety talk. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.720 You got the tickety talk and do you make them? 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:19.360 Yes? 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.040 You make original content for tickety Talk with your husbands. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.040 Well, it's more. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.520 Like I will just post my stand up clips on 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.160 there and then I'll also make some content. But we 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.839 don't really post content together. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.559 Okay, because somebody's gonna come at you and say, do 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.520 you guys want to do a sitcom? That's how we'd 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.520 go and know they're like, you guys are married in 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:40.960 real life and your stand ups. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.720 This is a sitcom that would be nice. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:43.800 It is the nineteen eighty six. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.560 Yeah, you have to be you'd have to be like 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.520 stand ups and detectives. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.680 Are you You could maybe do that? 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.000 I think so, like you could be detectives and stand 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.120 ups together, yeah, and then like soft crimes and then 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.719 at the end you do jokes about it. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:10:59.480 Okay, I like that. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.920 Yeah, you know it's working for me. I think it's good. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.320 So anyway you come up in Queen's what your family are? 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:06.440 Your family in show business? 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:07.120 No? 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.480 No, no, no, So what you would your family do? 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.800 My dad was an English teacher and my mom was 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.120 a landscape architect and now she's a dog trainer. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.400 Dog trainer m hmm, like for a circus or just 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:19.560 like regular for. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.800 Fun, like not like kind of like her retirement project. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.720 Okay, Yeah, And I think if your dad's an English teacher, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.160 that's kind of being a show That's kind of like 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.240 I always think teachers is. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.319 Kind of like being a stand up. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.880 So you go to go in front of hostile audience 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.480 every day try to get them to listen to you. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.200 It's it's like the early day is a stand up 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:38.600 I think. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.520 I definitely think he likes performing. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.400 Yeah do you do? You like it? 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.959 You enjoy of course you enjoy it, But when did 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.359 you know that you enjoyed it performing? 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:47.920 In general? 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 I really truly feel like since I was a kid, well, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.520 when I was a kid, I was afraid of everything, right, 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.640 I was afraid of the auditorium in school. Okay, my 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.839 mom signed me up for an acting class to get 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:00.880 me over my fear of the auditor. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.520 You were just frightened of the actual room. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.800 Of like so many people being in there at once, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.160 just going in for every day. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.160 Where did that come from? 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.440 Do you think I'm just over overly sensitive? 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:11.720 Are you? 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.760 Are you a very anxious person? Yes, it's interesting, you 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.400 know so many stand ups are anxious. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:16.840 Yes. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.800 And then the weird thing is you choose such a crazy, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.079 high pressure career. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:23.920 Yeah. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.120 Why do you think that is? Why do we seek 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.040 comfort in something that most normal people would find very frightening? 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.120 In my opinion, it's because being on stage is the 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.440 only moment where I'm forced to be present. It's the 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.640 only time where I can't be in my head overthinking 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.160 every single situation because I have to be present. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.760 Okay, have you ever done a show where you like, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.679 how long you been doing this? 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:50.160 Like seven years? 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:50.800 Right? 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.280 So I've always had this idea that stand up is 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.120 a ten year apprenticeship. Yeah, yeah, and that I have 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.880 done shows now when i'm can have it, like, especially 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.080 if I've done the routine a lot, like I'm you know, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.800 I go out a halfway to a shoe, I'm thinking, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.520 you know, I should probably get the car fixed. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.280 That oil life is now like fifteen percent, and I'm. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.199 Doing material, yeah that it's working, and I'm thinking about 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.800 other stuff. You're an autopilot kind of a little bit, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.040 and I try not to do that because I think 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.960 you're probably not doing a good show. So I break 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.120 my I bust myself on it. But I've done it before, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.040 but I totally understand it. Do you ever do that 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:28.439 thing where you write on stage? 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.080 Yeah? 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.360 Yeah, that's great, isn't it. You get that zone you're 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:32.679 kind of like, where did that come from? I don't 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:33.480 know where that came from? 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.360 And you get off stage, like what was you? Just 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.800 like listen and write it down. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.240 Do you tape every show? Yes, yeah, you got it. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:40.840 That's one of the things that I think is so 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.040 great about the technology now. The bad thing is you 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.120 guys are giving away material all the time, Like young 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.119 people are like Don Rickles, who is, like, I guess, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.720 forty years older than me. Rickles he'd had one routine 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.640 his entire career. I know, is that crazy? 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.400 The thing that really bothers me is that people think 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.599 that people really think that every time they see a 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.199 stand up comedian it's going to be different every night. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.920 They're doing something different, even though classically people should be 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.920 working on the same jokes for years because that's how 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.200 you develop the jokes, developed the confidence, and the jokes 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.120 find new tags. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:16.480 Yep. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.360 But that is also sort of the nature of the 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.840 game of selling tickets and putting things out online. And 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.840 also if you're posting crowd work, I feel like people 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.160 are like, oh, so you're just posting crowd work. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:38.400 You don't write. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.400 Now the crowd work thing is in session for those 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:37.680 who don't know what crowd. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.920 Work is, and I imagine this's probably. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.760 Some crowd work is when you come out to a 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.400 club everyone's there and you go, Hi, where are you from. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.800 The guy says I'm from Queen's and you go, ah, yeah, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.920 I can tell cause you're hat or wherever, and then 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.440 you start busting the guy for having a hat from 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.600 Queens or or somebody's from Brazil, and you start asking 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.520 about coffee or wherever you do you kind of riff 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.000 on whatever information that person gives you. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.800 Yeah, and a lot of comedians do it, right. Yeah. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.560 I think it's tricky that stuff because I don't like 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.920 it because when I started, there was a lot of hecklers, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.120 and I feel like if you start talking to the audience, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.280 they might start talking to you. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.040 Yeah, you know, are you okay with cred work? Do 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:18.880 you do a lot of it? 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.160 I do CrowdWork. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.840 I think sometimes doing CrowdWork grounds me in the moment, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.400 Like if I start to find myself being on autopilot, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.600 I'll do a little bit of CrowdWork just to like 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.280 ground myself back in the room and in the people. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.920 Right now, once you're on stage and once you've established 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.520 your position, I think that's right. That's when I would 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.680 do it, like i'd refine with the audience. But I 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.760 have to establish in the first five minutes. Yes I'm 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.600 fucking driving. Yeah, Daddy's talking into the big make your 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:46.760 voice loud machine. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:48.080 And then when. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.640 When I say, you know, you get to come at 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.640 the table, but not until then. And I think that 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.120 I've seen guys in clubs who just open with CrowdWork, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.720 and I think you're asking for trouble. Now you're basically 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:08.160 letting the audience uh, too close, too soon, do you. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.400 Know what I mean? It's like, you don't you don't 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:10.960 want to do that. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.640 Who are the comedians you looked up to who are 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.040 the people that you were like, I want to be 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.760 like her or him or them. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:22.000 Well, Sarah Silvermantel. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:20.520 Was a genius. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:21.560 I love a Tell. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.240 I love a Tell. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.600 Yeah, He's like, oh my god, have you heard Skanks 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:27.120 for the Memory? 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:27.720 Yeah? 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.320 I had to the first time I heard that album, 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:31.800 I had to pull. I was listening to it like 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.400 I had to pull off the road. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.120 I was like, I definitely missed an exit. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:37.880 Oh my god. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:44.040 When he talks about his little friend, I was like, 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.520 did you ever see when David Tell and Jeff Ross 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.240