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Thanks guys, Thinking Sideways. Welcome. I don't know 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.000 stories of things we simply don't know the answer to. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.440 Hi there, Welcome to another episode of Thinking so Oadways. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.800 I am Joe, your host, joined as always by Steve 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.800 and Devin, and we're of course going to talk about 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.399 another mystery this week. Uh, We're going to talk about 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.640 the mysterious disappearance of a guy named Dave Box, who 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.160 was last seen working the graveyard shift on June nineteenth, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.000 four at the Fernald Feed Materials production Center in Ohio. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.680 A lot of people have been wondering what exactly became 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.560 of Dave and why I gotta tell you that I'm 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.240 a little I'm a little upset. Yeah, we're wanting to 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.759 do this one for years, but I never called DIBs 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.319 on it. It's my own fault because I love this 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.280 story as you didn't ever do it. It's exactly. I 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.399 never called dibbs and I never did it, so it's 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.080 my own fault. But I'm excited that we're getting to 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.880 do this because this is a fun one. Well, I've 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.720 obviously you've been thinking about it too, so you come 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.760 up with some good think about this for years, and 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.360 the good news for our listeners is that I get 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.560 to pretend like I've never heard of it before and 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.880 ask all the questions you're asking them. So it's perfect exactly. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.280 So thank you both for for your enthusiasm. Glad you 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.600 like this one, and also I want to thank Caitlin 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.679 and j w are listeners who suggested this one and 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.120 anybody else who did and somehow got left off our 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.679 list of people to thank. Sorry about that. But first 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:14.799 of all, I want to say, this story is not 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.040 about Dave Box. It's about Dave Box. Times about Dave Box. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.400 B o X it's the Dave Box has spelled b 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.320 O c K S. It's a good distinction to make. Yeah, exactly, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.600 And I hadn't thought. I kept I always had it 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.280 is I put it R and I've always had For 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.720 some reason, I kept saying Brox. Yeah, it's box, just box, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.280 but not box because obviously if somebody was named Dave Box, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.679 he would have changed his name to cardboard. But I 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.639 don't say there is that cannot definitely be a day box, right, Okay, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.160 So our Dave Dave Box was a thirty nine year 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.359 old who worked as a pipe fitter. He was hired 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.920 at the for anal feed plant in and he was 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.640 considered to be a pretty solid employee and a regular fellow. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.080 Dave had been married, he had three kids. He had 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.280 gotten unfortunately divorced several years prior to the time that 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.880 he quote unquo it went away. And some people, of course, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.600 believe he died on the job. In fact, a lot 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.960 of pretty much everybody does that he died there at 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.320 but some very important people do not. So yeah, apparently, yeah, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.600 And of course there's a certain conspiracy theories. Should I 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.080 talk about that? Why wouldn't you say that? For the theories. Okay, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.200 I'll say that then. Okay, like we haven't been doing 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.480 this for years, I know. Al right, Okay, we'll hold up. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.040 But can you talk more about the feed production. Yeah, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.120 they're for an all feed production center. As the name applies, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.800 it produced feed for large animals like cattle and pigs, 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.880 except in this case the cattle and pigs were actually 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:44.560 nuclear reactors, and so the name was actually technically true 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.240 but a little bit deceptive. Well, it was because they 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.360 were feeding the materials into the reactors. I believe that's 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.360 why they called it. The name had feed in it, Yeah, exactly. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.880 But it was in an agricultural area and uh, and 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.000 so a lot of people I've assumed, and it was 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.800 actually built and owned by the government, the US government, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.920 and but they just didn't bother to tell people that 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.600 actually it was it was shaping uranium into like you know, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:15.080 like uranium rods for reactors and that kind of Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.479 there was three or four specific lugs and stuff like that. Yeah, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.640 slugs was the one I couldn't think of. Yeah, all 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.600 these things that they're using to actually fuel the reactors. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.599 So they were it was technically feed, it was feed 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:31.800 for something something. Yeah, nuclear reactors to right. Yeah, I 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.279 think the truth finally started to come out in three 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.279 when the locals finally found out that this innocent looking 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.680 plant was actually producing uranium, which is of course perfectly 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.520 innocent to get me wrong. Well, hold on, Joe, though, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.760 so they everybody knew that they were producing uranium. The 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.000 idea was that they were doing it for reactors for energy. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.880 What the big secret was is that they were also 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.760 making weapons grade nuclear material, which you know, I'm not 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.840 sure that they were doing that. I think that they 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.560 took special orders. I think it's okay. So there were six, seven, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.279 eight nine. I think there were technically twelve plants, so 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.560 they only named one through nine is plants, but there 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.320 was at least two of them that were doing custom 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.840 work in terms of shaping and all of that kind 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.480 of stuff. And what I understood that it might actually 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.680 be some of those actually those custom shops or custom 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.919 buildings that we're doing some of the shaping for the 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.240 weapons material. Possible, it might be true. I had thought 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.240 that they were just taking basically high grade uranium, shaping 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.719 into rods to to put into reactors so the reactors 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.440 could convert it to weapons grade fuel. But maybe they 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.400 were doing all those things. I don't know. Yeah, I 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.520 mean it sounds like that was a big complex and 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.000 they were doing all sorts of interesting very hidden, yeah, 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.400 Indestine stuff, clandestine a little bit obviously. The employees were 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.760 expected to not talk a lot about what they did. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.600 But the plant was there since nine I at least 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.960 was construction began at fifty one. I don't know. I 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.640 think it started operating in fifty three, operated until nineteen 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:12.360 eighty nine. It's gone suspiciously convenience, so I know for that, Yeah, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.680 it is, I know. But they have taken away and 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.479 made it a wildlife reserve or something and there's like 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.440 animals or birds or something, or a super fun site 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.040 or yeah, well it was a super fun site. Yeah. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.000 But where it's where they raise all of our yeah, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.280 all of our all of our three eyed gazelles, and 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.760 are thinking from the Simpsons is probably from there? Yeah, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.520 probably it's nearly. It's called named after the tiny town 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.919 of Fernal, which I can't really seem to find on 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.080 the Google aerials, but that's about fifteen miles northwest of Cincinnati, Ohio. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.880 The Nasty Uh. It was also known to the locals 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:54.320 as NLO. It stands for National Lead of Ohio, which 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.440 ran the plant for the owners, and of course, as 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.400 I said, the US government, so it was they sort 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.159 of ran it on the day to day basis, but 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.320 still the government made the ultimate decisions as to what 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.880 happened at the plants. There's owners and then there's the 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.280 contractor who runs a pretty pretty standards especially for the 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.640 US government. Yeah, and so the plant was under control 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.360 of the Atomic Energy Commission until nineteen seventy nine when 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.320 the Department of Energy took it over. There were some 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.800 environmental and safety issues with it, and those had actually 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.360 been ongoing for a long time. I mean since like 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.920 the fifties, National LED was reporting problems to the a 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:37.080 C about you know, Atomic Energy Commission. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.119 And you know, dust like they had these weird bad 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.560 cloth dust filters because there was a lot of uranium 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.720 dust from processing allergy r and so that that would 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.400 get filtrated and deposited these bags kind of like vacuum 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.440 cleaner bags almost, and well those things had a tendency 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.360 to break and spewed dust everywhere, and things like this. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.320 There are all kinds of issues like this that were 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.760 ongoing uh, you know what, can I can I take 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.400 us a side for a second. I was thinking about 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:07.160 this today and if you Devin, you may not remember this, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.400 but kind of in the seventies and the eighties, there 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.520 was this this mode of well, this is the way 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.360 it is, and we'll just do this stuff and it's okay. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.640 You know, technology isn't really advancing because by and large 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.880 the general public didn't see technology making huge leaps and 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.960 bounds like we do today. Could you imagine what the 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.200 world would be like if we had all got stuck 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:34.400 in say nine two, and for some reason our technology 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.920 just didn't advance. What a freaking mess things would be 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.360 in terms of all of the stuff that, oh it's okay, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.079 you can pour it into the river, you can bury 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.840 it into the ground, that doesn't matter. Yeah, well we 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.840 weren't quite there, and by by two we were cleaning 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.679 things up actually well but not everywhere. But my point 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.520 is like, what would have been if we had just 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.400 stopped doing and just kept on status quo. But from 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.720 the nineties it sounds like something to write to the 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.600 Star Trek people about, Yeah, have him do an episode 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.839 on that. Yeah, I think they might have plant of 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.719 the triples. Yeah, Captain's lacks started eight in nineteen seventy two. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.600 Oh but enough about those environmental issues which they had, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.679 but there we'll talk a little bit more about that 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.560 in a little while. Um, but they did have those, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.719 but we don't know whether or not they had much 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.720 to do with Dave Box or not. That really wasn't 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.440 his job. He wasn't, like I said, a pipe fitter, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.240 and his job was to like, you know, inspect and 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:37.400 repair various equipment, equipment pipes whatever, like the pipes that 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.360 were feeding the vacuum tubes. Yeah, he's part of the 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.760 maintenance crew. He worked the midnight shift. He was the 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:49.200 swing yard midnight to like seven am or something. So 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.480 his job was straight up maintenance. Pretty much. The plant 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.000 was shut down and he and his crew would go 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.559 out and just maintain things. Dave was last seen at 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.760 their Fronald plant about five am on the morning of 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:07.920 June nine. He was pronounced legally dead about two years later. Uh. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.720 And so let's start in the night of Dave's disappearance. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.479 he had carpooled to work with a guy named Harry Easterling, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.800 which usually carpooled with her. Yeah. Yeah, he's a regular guy. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.480 And and actually Harry, if you want to see what 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.320 Harry looked like, he has has a beard, genial looking fellow. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.080 He was. He appeared on Unsolved Mysteries on an episode 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.360 about this. Yeah, and uh, he and Harry usually met 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.440 at this restaurant parking lot and one of them would 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.920 leave their car and they go in one car. On 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.400 that night, Harry picked up Dave about eleven pm. Harry 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.760 reported no unusual behavior from Dave that night, except that 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.320 he had bought to do lunchbox. So, yeah, that's suspicious, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.000 it's exciting. Yeah, and that's about He said something about 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.040 maybe he was talking about maybe taking his kids on 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.960 vacation the next summer or something or later in the summer. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.400 Harry Stilling said that he and Dave always began they 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.880 worked in the maintenance room, which apparently was in this 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.559 thing they called the maintenance bill. Uh. Yeah, it was 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.319 a special maintenance building. He said that Dave, as usual 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.040 that day, unlocked his toolbox and left the lock with 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.839 the keys in it on top of the box. Dave's 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.080 assignment that day was to go repair some equipment and 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.880 plan eight in what was called the Whistleblower meat hooks 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:21.760 or Yeah, I don't think it. I don't think so 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.840 that he wasn't signed a plan eight. I'm not sure exactly. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.360 I'd heard, not specifically what he was supposed to do 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.959 over there, but he was supposed to go do something. Uh. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.000 And I, by the way, I tried to find a 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.680 map of this whole complex because it's a huge place, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.240 and I I guess the government didn't publish maps of it, 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.600 surprisingly enough, I know I was not able to find 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.040 one on the website the government facility. Yeah, I mean, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.400 like you probably can't find maps of like Vonneville Dam, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.920 for instance, can you probably not? I mean you wouldn't. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.319 That's not the sort of thing you would want the 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.920 general public to be able to snag just in case. Yeah, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.960 attention terrorists, pressure point right there, This is where you 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:09.320 put the bomb. Yeah, so no map, So I where 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.280 all these buildings are in relation to one another? I 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.160 don't know. And of course the place is torn down. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.840 You can't even look at it and look at it 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:19.000 on Google. It's gone. So we're just gonna have to 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.679 wing it on that one. But Dave left his toolbox 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.960 innimatenance room instead of taking it with him I'm not 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.959 sure why he did that, but apparently get that on 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.920 a regular basis. Apparently. Yeah, so he must have just 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.200 decided what tools he was gonna need and taken them 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.160 and seems like, I mean he'd worked there for a while. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.800 Had he'd worked there for about three years, you probably 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.880 go to that point. No, you know, if somebody says, okay, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.880 you gotta go fix this certain type of pipe, he says, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.560 all right, I need these five different tools, and you know, 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.720 probably hourly, so like, oh no, if he has to 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.040 walk back first, if you've ever, I mean, yeah, it's 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.680 a government job, so who cares if you have to 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.040 walk back and forth five times? You're still getting paid 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.840 the same rather than logging that heavy box. But Joe, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.760 I thought he had worked there longer than I thought 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.600 he had started there, like more than a decade prior 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.120 to his disappearance. I don't not could be wrong. I 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.720 heard that he started one but okay, I really I 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.160 thought that he had been working there since the early 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.800 to mid seventies. Maybe he started his position as a 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.080 pipe fitter in eighty one, but he was doing something else. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.160 Maybe that's it. He started out like as a typist 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.520 or something like that, well, you know, like a general 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.920 maintenance handyman or something. Yeah, it's okay. I just swore 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.720 he'd been there for much longer, Like I felt like 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.360 he had had a lot of career time there. Yeah, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.040 I don't know what does What does matter is that 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.040 this particular night was the last night of his career there. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.240 Uh and then okay, what was I Oh? Yeah, I 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.040 was talking about his toolbox. Uh, it was the toolbox 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.160 was there. A few days later after they disappeared, he 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.280 left his toolbox, went off to Plan eight to fix 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:54.040 the radioactive snitch rectifier which was reportedly making an odd sound? 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.960 Did it? And his his toolbox was missing some tools 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.280 though right, nobody has said that I can find whether 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.480 what tools were gone, what tools were not gone, But 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.040 the toolbox was there and with a lock on top 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.240 of it. Apparently Dave trusted his coworkers. Yeah. I guess 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.840 they must have all had a good relationship or it 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.240 was company tools. Yeah, and maybe he didn't care a 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.920 good point, which is the weird. That is weird though, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.760 Why would you leave your keys instead of carrying him around? Well, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.000 that's the thing is, you know, he gets he gets 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.600 the toolbox out and it's got a padlock on it, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.760 so obviously he doesn't trust people to not steal from it. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.120 Then he opens he doesn't trust the day people. I 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.560 had thought he trust the maintenance people, nobody else. That 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.840 must be what it is. Yeah, but so they're probably 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.640 throwing his tools in the in the the oil vats 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.400 or the acid vats or something. I think it was funny. Yeah, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.040 look at this. Yeah, people are like planting drugs in 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:54.560 the air, planting crack. So that night, according to Unsolved 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.120 Mysteries and Unnamed coworker days so and we never do 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.600 get a chance to find out who this person was. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.160 He was unnamed. He said that he saw David a 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.160 pickup truck with this supervisor having a heated discussion about something, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.320 but the windows of the truck were rolled up, so 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.440 the coworker could not hear what was being discussed. By 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.400 the way, this struct the coworker as odd the windows 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.200 being up because it was a warm night. So I 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.680 I have a one. I'm always disturbed when we have 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.240 a single source for something like that, especially when it 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.280 comes from unsolved mysteries. But I had heard it as 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.400 not a heated but a serious conversation. But I've heard 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.280 it actually characterized as an argument. Well, I was gonna say, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.000 there's there's a couple of different Well what if you 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.440 look at it. I was thinking about it. It's a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:45.440 serious conversation. It could be a very serious quiet tone, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.880 or it could be serious as in one person like trying. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.000 It's serious. They're not trying not to cry or something. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.560 But the whole, the whole. The windows were up. What 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.400 I want to know was the vehicle turned on because 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.280 it might have had the Well that's what I was 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.920 wondering too, So the windows being rolled up might have 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.920 been totally normal. Again, it's a government vehicle, so it 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.400 probably didn't have a C because they always thought the 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.560 cheapest possible. Yeah, actually it was eighty four. I bet 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.880 government vehicles I'll have a C now standard, Yeah, but 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.040 maybe not back in those days. Now, I remember my 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.240 dad being in government vehicles, you know, regular civilian cars 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.240 and trucks, and they were always the lowest model. It's 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.640 kind of like you've been in a forced service truck before, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.360 how don't you, Joe? I think? So they have nothing 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.480 in them. Whatever comes, bare bones standard is what they get. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.880 So yeah, but then it gets a supervisor vehicle, so 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:48.040 maybe he maybe yeah, yeah, but anyway, again, this is 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.680 coming to us courtesy of some unnamed audonymous person too, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.480 so who the hell knows, And apparently the same person 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.600 around five am spotted David again and Dave was headed 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.360 towards Plant four, which also struck this coworkers odd since 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.919 Dave's job assignment, of course, was in plant eight and 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.280 we don't we we don't have any records that say 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.840 that he finished the job in plant eight and may 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.120 have been sent to four to deal with something else. Well, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.960 that's entirely possible. Also, plant four there was supposed to 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.520 be a like a safety meeting around seven am, so 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.359 I was thinking maybe he was headed there early to 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.480 get a good seat or to take an out. It 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.840 could have been taken an app or screw at lunch. Yeah, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.960 who knows. And I don't know what's in the direction 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.440 of plant for maybe plant three, Plant five, something else 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:38.200 Plant eight. Maybe you know they're parallels, so it's one, two, three, four, 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.400 seven eight, and then they're just right next to each other. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.560 I am not knowing, it doesn't matter, but yeah, so anyway, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.240 that was that was he was. This was the last 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.680 person who saw Dave alive allegedly, Yeah, allegedly, at least 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.760 the last person has come forward. Yeah, it was admitted 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.040 seeing alive. Dave did not make it to the safety meeting. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.879 Of course, maybe that's not why he was headed towards 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.840 plant form. Maybe, like we said, maybe he was head 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.719 towards Plant five, Plant three and a half. I don't know. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.040 Harry Easterly said that at the end of the shift 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.679 he noticed that Dave's toolbox was still sitting there with 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.480 the keys on it, but no Dave. Harry looked for 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.439 Dave for a little bit, eventually left a message with 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.800 the security guard to give to day of saying that 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.720 he was going home, saying that he would meet again 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.760 the usual spot tomorrow. Harry thought, Um, he was just 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.919 figured he'd pick up more work for them, doing some 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.240 overtime or something like that. Although, God, it seems like, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.720 how do you either of you remember what he said? 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.960 Their commute time was from the restaurant to the plant. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.399 I don't know. That's a good I'm assuming it was 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.520 somewhat substantial. I mean, otherwise that why bother carpool Well, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.800 and that's exactly my thing. Like it also couldn't have 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.600 been more than an hour, because if they started at 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.680 midnight and Matt at eleven, but a thirty minute drive 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.280 is a long way to have to hoof it on 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.600 foot if he decides to work a couple of hours, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.560 like you would think that I understand why Harry called 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.720 and said, hey, tell him I left, so he could 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.520 you controle somebody into giving him a ride to his 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.040 vis Assume that's what happened, that somebody gave him would 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.760 have given him a ride, so he didn't give him. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.679 And this is in the days, of course, before we 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.640 had text messaging, although inter company phones are a thing, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.160 and so you would imagine that he would have called 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.919 the switchboard and figured out where the hell he was 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.639 so he could try Dave. That is, if Dave was 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.879 working over time, could have figured out where Harry was 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.760 and called Harry and told him. But I don't know. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.480 Reportedly Dave had a walkie talkie on him there, so 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.000 I would assume they all have talkies and that's the 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.600 equivalent of inner office phones. Yeah, so I don't know 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.040 if Harry tried to raise him in milwaukie talkie. I 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.880 assume he would have, but I got no reply back 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.520 because well, I don't know something happened to Dave, so 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.720 Dave doesn't go home with Harry. He does not, but 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.320 Harry the next night goes to meet Dave in the 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.800 usual place in the restaurant parking lot. Sees Dave's car 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.520 park there and assumed that Dave was not in the car, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.320 seon that he might be in the restaurant getting some 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.240 food or something. But they did that, yeah, occasionally. But Davids, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.720 it turns out, was not in the restaurant either. So 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.480 Harry goes to work, looks for Dave. Dave's not there, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.520 and so he reported him missing, and they began to 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.960 search of the premises, which, as you can imagine, would 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:12.840 have taken a while because it's a big, big place, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.639 and isn't this where Harry said he got to the 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.200 got to the maintenance building and saw Dave's lock and 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.080 and everything sitting there were still wide open from the 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:28.480 night before or presumably from the night before. Yeah, Dulux 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.520 still sitting there with keys on it or in it. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.560 So they started the search, and sometime in the morning 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.520 of the twentieth, that's June twenty, somebody and Plant six 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.040 noticed that one of the furnaces in the building there. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.080 There were several different types, but one of them had 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.440 suddenly dropped twenty eight degrees in temperature at five fifteen 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.520 a m on June nine, Plant six. In Plant six. Yeah, 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.080 so in Plant six, there were three types of furnaces 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.520 that I've been able to find out about, and they 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.240 operated the temperatures between about eleven fifty degrees fahrenheit and 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:04.600 about thirteen hundred sixty five degrees fahrenheit. That is celsius hot. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.760 It's hot. Yeah, it's really smoking hot. It's like ninety 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:13.840