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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things true. Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew Well, we're finally here. It's the week of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. It's where the guy waving his hands,

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Speaker 1: John Harris makes I don't want to say you make

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Speaker 1: your money, but you when you make some hey, you

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Speaker 1: get a lot of notoriety. It's kind of your you know,

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Speaker 1: your favorite time of the year, your time to shine,

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Speaker 1: and it's our time to chit chat a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the draft here on in the Lab. But first

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Speaker 1: things first, how you've been, man, I've been. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gone in my cave yet, so I mean I've

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Speaker 1: been at various times throughout this whole thing. So it's been.

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Speaker 1: It's all. I don't know, it's it's a process and

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Speaker 1: I enjoy I enjoy the all of the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I missed going to Pro Days this year because it

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Speaker 1: didn't allow media to be in the building at times,

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Speaker 1: and so that kind of stunk because I love the

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Speaker 1: prode process. I know there's some Scots like pro This

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Speaker 1: guy can't play that guy can't play, Why am I

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Speaker 1: going to prote to see him? But I love that process.

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Speaker 1: I love everything about it. So it all culminates this

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Speaker 1: week and finally here's here's my The only fear that

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I got five hundred prospects. I don't have

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Speaker 1: that guy on my list. I don't have that guy.

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Speaker 1: Must where's he on my list? Because if I have

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Speaker 1: a guy rated too low, I'll explain why I haven't

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Speaker 1: rated too love. I'm rated high and that's great. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know we got somebody the last year, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ross was I think, and I had him to top

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Speaker 1: twenty I think, and he went number forty. And I

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Speaker 1: still think he's got a good future ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna make some changes. I think this defensive scheme

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Speaker 1: will help him. But you know, probably the best one

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Speaker 1: four and then he goes at sixty eight. And I

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Speaker 1: remember I got the text from you actually that night

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, and I looked, So

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Speaker 1: he's at number forty four on my board, and he's

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Speaker 1: been really really good. So it's been. It's fun. So

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it, and I hope you are as well.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get a chance to do some draft zooms

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Speaker 1: together live, which would be kind of cool. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk now about one or two of our favorite

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans draft moments and cool for me, there's a

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Speaker 1: clear delineation. So I joined the team in August of

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Speaker 1: oh nine, so I missed that draft. So the first

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Speaker 1: in ten, eleven, twelve, and thirteen I was in Houston

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Speaker 1: the press conferences and whatnot. But then starting in fourteen,

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Speaker 1: still think Chicago is still the best job with the draft.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal favorite. Philadelphia was really really cool. I

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Speaker 1: But I've always so Houston being back doing that. I

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Speaker 1: Lance messing with me went to Dwayne Brown in a

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Speaker 1: because I learned I learned a lesson that day. First

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Speaker 1: But I've told Dwayne this, and over the years, Dwayne

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Speaker 1: and I got to be you know, we got to

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Speaker 1: Like we've talked about that moment on the air and

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Speaker 1: This is what he absolutely desires to be. This isn't

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