WEBVTT - Fried Egg Stories: The Hickory Open

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<v Speaker 2>The fried Egg requires a different technique. What you need

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<v Speaker 2>to do is actually square the face so it'll dig

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<v Speaker 2>down underneath that bad lie and propel that ball right

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<v Speaker 2>out onto the green.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Playing out of a buried lion of bunker is completely

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<v Speaker 4>different than playing out of a night and clean.

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<v Speaker 2>Live a greenside buker.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to be aggressive on any show, whether it's

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<v Speaker 5>sitting cleanly or it's Friday Egg.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've all faiked that the dreaded Frida Egg not

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<v Speaker 1>to be feared, though it's actually a pretty easy shot

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<v Speaker 1>to hit. It is September fourteenth, twenty twenty one. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at Gearhart Golf Links in Gearhart, Oregon. That's the northern

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon coast, and I'm at the US Hickory Open. It

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful morning. You can hear the ocean nearby. Hear that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't see it from here. And I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna follow some folks around and see if there are

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<v Speaker 1>any stories here. Maybe you can hear that note of

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<v Speaker 1>doubt in my voice. I'm at the US Hickory Open,

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<v Speaker 1>the second and final round, pretty much on a whim.

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<v Speaker 1>I live about two hours from gearharten figured I had

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<v Speaker 1>no excuse, but I arrived, looked around and realized I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a stranger in a strange land. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know much about Hickory golf, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes two of us. But the main thing you

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<v Speaker 1>should be aware of upfront is the rule about equipment

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<v Speaker 1>in the US Hickory Open, which is put on by

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<v Speaker 1>the Society of Hickory Golfers. You need to play with

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<v Speaker 1>wooden shafted clubs from nineteen thirty five or before, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can use replicas of those models. Simple enough, But

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<v Speaker 1>as I walk around the practice screen recording, I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself just a little puzzled by it all. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the women are in long skirts and blouses, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the men have plus fours or plus twos on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the pants that kind of hang below the

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<v Speaker 1>knee and billow out a bit. And I try to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine myself taking part in this world, and they can't

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<v Speaker 1>quite do it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's finally Madeland after fourteen hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just the fashion, which honestly some people pull

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<v Speaker 1>off really well. It's the idea of giving up the

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<v Speaker 1>comforts of modern golf. Look, I love the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, but I think I'd have a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>actually living it, giving up the big drivers, the big putters,

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<v Speaker 1>the space age materials, all the things that are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to make golf more manageable and make me a better player.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a hard game. Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>choose to make it harder. I'm Garrett Morrison, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Friday Stories Today, a collection of conversations from the

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<v Speaker 1>US Hickory Open, or really I should call it a

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<v Speaker 1>series of efforts to understand twenty first century Hickory golf,

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from, how it's played, and why some

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<v Speaker 1>people get absolutely hooked by it. When I get to

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<v Speaker 1>Gearheart Golf Links, some players are already out on the course,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll be a couple of hours before the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>in the open division t off. I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>my bearings, so I look through the t sheet and

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<v Speaker 1>right there in the final group, I see a familiar name,

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<v Speaker 1>Colin McNamara.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a writer. I write poems, and I teach at

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<v Speaker 6>Washington State University.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also written a few things for the Frida Egg website,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how I know him. And you're here at

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<v Speaker 1>the US Hickory Open. Is this the first time you've

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<v Speaker 1>been in an event like this?

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<v Speaker 6>It's the first time I've been in an event this big.

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<v Speaker 6>I have played in several Hickory tournaments, but this is

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<v Speaker 6>a this is another animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently Colin was ready, though he posted a good score

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<v Speaker 1>in the first round seventy six.

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<v Speaker 6>I hit it pretty well. A couple bad shots. You

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<v Speaker 6>know that. That's where Hickory golf really diverges from modern golf.

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<v Speaker 6>It's much less forgiving. So I had a couple terrible shots,

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<v Speaker 6>but thankfully no television cameras caught those, and then I

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<v Speaker 6>made a lot of putts, so I ended up with

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<v Speaker 6>a really good score.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was going into the second and final round

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<v Speaker 1>in fourth place, two shots back. Colin McNamara is younger

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<v Speaker 1>than your typical Hickory player. He's in his late twenties now,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been playing exclusively with vintage clubs for about

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<v Speaker 1>five years.

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<v Speaker 6>It started I think I saw something online at first,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, I bought a club in an antique store,

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<v Speaker 6>fixed it up, you know, played with it, bought another

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<v Speaker 6>couple of clubs. Pretty soon I'm traveling around to play

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<v Speaker 6>in tournaments and dressing in my homemade knickers.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, homemade knickers.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'd say they're effectively plus fours. I sewed a

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<v Speaker 6>little band of elastic into a pair of good will pants,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, I put the elastic up around my

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<v Speaker 6>knee and draped the rest over the sock, and it

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<v Speaker 6>looks authentic enough to get by with this crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that Colin has a nice way of explaining things.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't take himself too seriously, but he knows his stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's incredibly passionate about Hickory golf. It occurs to

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<v Speaker 1>me that he could serve as a kind of guide

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<v Speaker 1>for me today, and who knows, he could very well

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<v Speaker 1>win the tournament. So I make a mental note to

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<v Speaker 1>keep checking in with Colin throughout the day. Okay, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. I'll let you prepare yourself mentally for battle

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<v Speaker 1>and good luck.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Here Chapter one, John Henry versus the Industry. I'm starting

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<v Speaker 1>to get the lay of the land at the US

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<v Speaker 1>Hickory Open, and what I see is a few main

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<v Speaker 1>hubs of activity. There's the practice screen and the first tee.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the area around the scoreboard, which is just a

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<v Speaker 1>big dry erase board on wheels, and then between the

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot and the clubhouse there's an outdoor workshop staffed

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<v Speaker 1>by a man named John Henry Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>John Henry Williams pesfessionally I'm retired, but as a hobby

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<v Speaker 2>I repair golf clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically, John Henry repairs and restores the types of clubs

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<v Speaker 1>being used today. In fact, he's one of the very

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<v Speaker 1>best at it. His workshop has a mixture of things,

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<v Speaker 1>some of you could find at most hardware stores.

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<v Speaker 2>Cordless drill files are probably the biggest thing I use

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Others you've probably never seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a shaft straightening machine. It's a woodplank

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<v Speaker 2>with some round knobs on it that a gentleman in

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<v Speaker 2>Vermont invented to straighten wooden shafting clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, John Henry would prefer to be playing today, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Three weeks ago I was diagnosed with a subbural hematoma,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the doctor said no golf for at least

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<v Speaker 2>a month, which killed me. I've been waiting for this

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<v Speaker 2>event for two years. So the second best thing for

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<v Speaker 2>me to do was to bring my temporary I roll

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<v Speaker 2>in cart and do golf club repair for people down

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<v Speaker 2>here that needed something done. You know, these are old

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<v Speaker 2>clubs and they just sometimes need a little tender living care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks like you have a customer right here.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, come on it. It's all right, very very

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<v Speaker 1>casual interview here face inserts it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, people keep approaching John Henry throughout the morning. Some

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<v Speaker 1>have questions about a particular club. Others need this or

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<v Speaker 1>that small repair, like re whipping the black thread around

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<v Speaker 1>the neck of a wood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is fairly simple to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Curly here, I thought he would just explain to him

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<v Speaker 4>why the whipping is there? Glue it on, but you

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<v Speaker 4>don't glue it on.

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<v Speaker 7>You have to whip it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can glue it on, but it doesn't stay very well.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I'm picking up on is that the builder

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<v Speaker 1>like John Henry, is a key fulcrum in the hickory

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<v Speaker 1>world world like everything relies on these old clubs being playable,

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<v Speaker 1>and he keeps them that way. To do that, he

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<v Speaker 1>has to maintain a highly specific skill set, one that

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<v Speaker 1>frankly doesn't have much market value these days. So how

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<v Speaker 1>and why does someone become a master of this particular craft.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I grew up playing golf. I was I had asthma,

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<v Speaker 2>so the the biggest thing I could do was play golf.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad introduced me to golf when I was eight

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<v Speaker 2>and gave me some plastic clubs and a ball, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just went and hit them. And grew up on

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<v Speaker 2>a farm in Virginia, so I had lots of room

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<v Speaker 2>to go hit golf balls everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>John Henry went on to play in high school, in

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<v Speaker 1>college and ended up working as a club.

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<v Speaker 2>Pro and then got out of the business because I

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<v Speaker 2>realized as a country club professional you have to walk

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<v Speaker 2>the line, and you can't be somebody that gives your

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<v Speaker 2>opinion and if you ask me what I think, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, and that's never going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>A good thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So so I realized I needed to do something y else,

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved golf clubs and started collecting clubs, go

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<v Speaker 2>to flea markets, go to garage sales and pick them

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<v Speaker 2>up and then take them back to the garage and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tear them apart and see how they were

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<v Speaker 2>put back together. More of a hobby, just messing around,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there were people said, well, you got skills

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, so well, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So around nineteen seventy six, John Henry went into business

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<v Speaker 1>as a club repair guy, but around him the industry

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<v Speaker 1>was changing. Metal headed woods came out in the late seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and at first they didn't make too much of a

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<v Speaker 1>dent in John Henry's per Simon wood business, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they started to show up on the PGA Tour. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, Lee Trevino became the first player to

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<v Speaker 1>win a major with a metal headed driver, a.

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<v Speaker 8>New PGA record of fifteen under par, and the first

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<v Speaker 8>champion to ever shoot four rounds under seventy in a

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<v Speaker 8>PGA championship and win, and you ought to kiss that

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<v Speaker 8>punter league.

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<v Speaker 2>When metal woods hit the tour, the per simon market

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<v Speaker 2>was dead because everybody wants to play with the guys

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<v Speaker 2>on tour playing. So metal woods just changed the club

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<v Speaker 2>repair business. Nobody needed to have a metal wood refinished.

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<v Speaker 2>The golf balls didn't show them up. There's no expense

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<v Speaker 2>in repair, and it was just something that my market

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<v Speaker 2>in repair business just went into toilet and you could

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<v Speaker 2>hear the flush.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't just the financial realities that had changed.

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<v Speaker 1>The work itself had become something totally different.

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<v Speaker 2>Metal woods. It's mostly computerized now, I mean it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not taking a piece of clay and saying, let's

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<v Speaker 2>shape it this way, or let's take a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>wood and rasp this out and cut this insert in.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not a bad thing. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>poo poo the idea that they don't have any skills,

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<v Speaker 2>because they do. But it's not hand crafted. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>taking a piece of wood by and running a file

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<v Speaker 2>across it until you get to shape and you run

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<v Speaker 2>your fingers across it and you get the feel if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like that, well I'll change it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Or how am I going to add a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of weight to this thing? It's none of that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of it is done today by computers,

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<v Speaker 2>and no, I'm not interested in doing that. I like

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<v Speaker 2>being able to hand work a golf club.

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<v Speaker 1>So John Henry changed paths again. He went to work

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<v Speaker 1>at Sandpoint Country Club in Seattle. Mud Green's raked bunkers

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually became the assistant superintendent. After he retired, he

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<v Speaker 1>kept working part time in the pro shop, but he

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<v Speaker 1>needed something else to do with his time. As it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, just outside the gate at Sandpoint was a

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<v Speaker 1>club repair shop run by Jim von Lasso, incidentally the

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<v Speaker 1>father of Andrew von Lasso, who's leading the US. It

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<v Speaker 1>reopen as we speak, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I went over to a shop a couple of times

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<v Speaker 2>taking clubs from Sandpoint, and once I walked through the

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<v Speaker 2>front door, I'm going, you know, this is just so familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>and I missed doing this. So when I retired, I

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<v Speaker 2>just fixed up a little spot down stairs in the

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<v Speaker 2>basement and started working on golf clubs again.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's since it was mostly a hobby now not

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<v Speaker 1>a business. John Henry was free to work on the clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to work on the old stuff, the hand

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<v Speaker 1>crafted stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The craftsmanship is unbelievable of what these guys used to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm never I'm at awe of the different

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<v Speaker 2>clubs that I take apart about how they put them

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<v Speaker 2>together back in the day. And they weren't using the

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<v Speaker 2>machinery that we have nowadays. These are guys that are,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hand drilling things. They're auguring things out, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's I would love to go back and watch some

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<v Speaker 2>of these craftsmen put clubs together. Even the guys in

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<v Speaker 2>the pre nineteen hundred clubs were truly crafts and and

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that they did, I think it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a work of art.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look like it, but let me hand you

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<v Speaker 2>two pieces of wood and you go do it. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I can take those clubs and and get a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to work on them, it's just like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is part of history, and so I'm working on history.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the cool part.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody gets confused out there and uh, yeah, you got

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<v Speaker 7>your own individual market be great.

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<v Speaker 3>I played it was a pink and white one time,

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<v Speaker 3>but I had to give up.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the other guy said what number?

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<v Speaker 7>So here's here's the My name is Stravko Barbik, and

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<v Speaker 7>I am the head golf professional at Gear Golf Links.

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<v Speaker 7>I go by Ze because it's easier for everybody to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 7>I am enjoying the sunshine and watching these wonderful people

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<v Speaker 7>play golf and doing the starting on the first tea,

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<v Speaker 7>it is our eleven thirty tea time from Port Townsand, Washington.

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<v Speaker 7>Rob Berman, Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you introduce yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm Rob Berman. I'm one of the co founders

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<v Speaker 3>of Northwest Hickory Players.

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<v Speaker 1>And what are we doing right now?

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<v Speaker 3>We are just off the first Sea Center cut one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and forty yards in on a sixty five degree

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<v Speaker 3>day and perfect weather on the sea side of Oregon,

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<v Speaker 3>final round of the US hick Reopen. None of my

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<v Speaker 3>group's in contention, so we're here.

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<v Speaker 1>To have fun. Chapter two, Rob Berman plays a hole.

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<v Speaker 1>So at this point, John Henry Williams has helped me

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<v Speaker 1>understand the appeal of Hickory golf clubs as objects, the

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<v Speaker 1>history behind them, the craftsmanship that goes into them. But

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<v Speaker 1>now I need to see what it's actually like to

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<v Speaker 1>play them. So I pull aside Rob Berman as he's

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<v Speaker 1>walking off the fifth green. I ask him if he

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<v Speaker 1>can talk me through all of his shots on the

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<v Speaker 1>next hole, the sixth, and he says sure. He might

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<v Speaker 1>end up regretting that, all right, So what's the plan

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<v Speaker 1>on this hole? This is a tricky hole. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>a blind approach, it's all uphill. So the trick for.

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<v Speaker 3>Me is getting out far enough that I can have

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<v Speaker 3>a comfortable club into this green.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you going to hit here?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna hit my brassy, which is my driving club.

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<v Speaker 3>It's twelve degrees, hoping to hit two twenty if I

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm lucky, how that shot go? Well? Garrett? With

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<v Speaker 3>a uphill fairway. Like so many people, I tend to

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<v Speaker 3>try harder than I. Shit pulled that too far left

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<v Speaker 3>changes the whole planning. Now I'll try to punch it

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<v Speaker 3>up to one hundred yards and wedge it.

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<v Speaker 1>On it's out stop. I've proven to be bad luck

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<v Speaker 1>for you so far, so that one is in a

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<v Speaker 1>fair way bunker. But back in the whole corridor, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Did We did have a few players that walked off

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<v Speaker 3>the course yesterday and there's two schools of thought on that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, most of us don't take it too internal,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if we're not playing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice, you know, like like a lot of tournaments

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<v Speaker 1>that are accessible to a lot of different people. There

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<v Speaker 1>are those who are very competitive and than those who

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<v Speaker 1>just want to have fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we have pros plane in this tournament and

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<v Speaker 3>rank amateurs, and we've got players from eighteen to eighty, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's so much fun. You meet new.

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<v Speaker 3>People and you share what you love.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairway bunker shot. What club are you gonna have here?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna use my eight iron, which is the equivalent

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<v Speaker 3>of a pitching wedge, just to get out of this

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<v Speaker 3>fairly low bunker and try to leave myself an angle

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<v Speaker 3>into this very hard pin.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, we're on the fairway, all right. The approach, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>now that was a nifty shot. Tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my one hundred and forty yard club from one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and twelve yards. So that's just a little knockdown shot,

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<v Speaker 3>as Jean Harry Varden would call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Push shot. First good shot at the hall. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've got a putt. Could you tell me a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about your putter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got a pretty special putter to Jean Gassier.

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<v Speaker 3>Jean Gassier won the nineteen twelve French Open. He played

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<v Speaker 3>out of Chantilly, France, and after his win in nineteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>his potter model became popular.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful club. It's a wooden potter head, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I don't know what you compare it to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's a mallet with toe hang. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They used to call it the piano because it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of shaped like a grand piano. It's pretty uncommon.

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<v Speaker 1>One, two, three, four or five. Oh, he's got about

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<v Speaker 1>a ten footers or six. But it's been fun talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all the different clubs. I mean, the cool thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that each club has a story, right, Each club

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<v Speaker 1>has some homemade elements and has decades of history behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a big part of the appeal of

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of golf. You know, it's not just nostaga, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're playing with these things in the present, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of beauty, integrity, craftsmanship in and of themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And he missed the pet for six. That's a seven.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have missed the shorty too. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you like. So, one of the ideas of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the selling points I suppose of modern equipment and

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<v Speaker 1>the attempt that it makes is to reduce the number

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<v Speaker 1>of times a player has a bad hole. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you have a bad hole with your

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<v Speaker 1>hickory clubs, what is your attitude towards it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I suppose you can be way more forgiving on

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<v Speaker 3>yourself if you have a bad hole, because there's so

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<v Speaker 3>little forgiveness in these clubs. You know, that's the beauty

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<v Speaker 3>of hickory golf. You get these clubs and you have

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<v Speaker 3>to learn them. It takes time to learn them. Some

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<v Speaker 3>clubs you never can hit, and occasionally you find a

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<v Speaker 3>club that's just suited perfectly for you. Yeah, And you know, Garrett,

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<v Speaker 3>it all comes down to fundamentals of your swing, and

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<v Speaker 3>if those aren't tuned, it doesn't matter what you have

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<v Speaker 3>in your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Not far from where I leave Rob is the fourth tee.

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<v Speaker 1>I wait there for a few minutes and the final

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<v Speaker 1>group arrives. Andrew von Lasso is still leading, and Colin

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<v Speaker 1>mcnamarath is telling me that he sucks. Literally, he says, Garrett,

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<v Speaker 1>I suck. He's three over through three and things don't improve.

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<v Speaker 1>On the fourth hole, he hits his t shot over

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<v Speaker 1>the green over a low wooden fence out of bounce.

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<v Speaker 1>His provisional does almost the same thing but stops short

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<v Speaker 1>after His drive on the fifth hole a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I catch up with him in the fairway. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>how it's gone so far? Oh, not good? So far? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 1>Not good so far? What's your state of mind life

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I feel fine. It's gonna take some made putts

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<v Speaker 6>to get back into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I'm down seven after starting down too, so

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<v Speaker 6>I've got a little work to do. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 6>just gotta make some putts. It can change in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about why you guys are sitting out here

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<v Speaker 1>watching the action.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the US Open the Eckery, Yeah yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean we play this course all the time. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>I have fun to watch these guys hit the ball

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<v Speaker 4>and anticipating this for about two years. Yeah right, I mean, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, the sign's been up for two years.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And we live right here, and so we watch

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of golf and it's a great place. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>those are great.

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<v Speaker 3>They are gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, everybody's having a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>So and just to see these guys hit it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't hit it.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as they do, and I've got high tech stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter three, tad Moore and the Society. A crowd is

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<v Speaker 1>slowly thickening around the scoreboard by the clubhouse. Right in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of it is an older man sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>a chair. Periodically people come up to him and shake

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<v Speaker 1>his hand.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, this is tad Moore.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a couple of ways you might have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of tad Moore. Maybe the main one is through the

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<v Speaker 1>line of milled putters he did with Max Fly in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties and early two thousands. You know that famous

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>picture of Ian Woosnam winning the Masters throwing a big

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.360
<v Speaker 1>uppercut fist pump. If you look in his other hand,

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>he's holding a Maxfly Tadmore putter. But if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>Hickory player, you may not associate tad Moore primarily with

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<v Speaker 1>milld putters. Instead, you probably know him as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the founding fathers of modern Hickory golf. The more I've

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<v Speaker 1>walked around the US hick Reopen, seeing how many people

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<v Speaker 1>are here and how enthusiastic they are, the more I've

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<v Speaker 1>wondered how it all got started, how this community formed

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<v Speaker 1>even as the rest of the game moved on. I've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this to a few people and they've all told me, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to go talk to Tad Todd. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>give me an idea of how you got interested in

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<v Speaker 1>playing older clubs?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think that the older clubs. When being a

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<v Speaker 8>club designer, I wanted to see what people had used

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<v Speaker 8>in the past, because there's really nothing new in golf.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't care what any of these people say. There's

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<v Speaker 8>nothing much new. So I had a collection at one

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<v Speaker 8>time about thirty five hundred clubs, and around nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 8>five a good friend of mine talked me into playing

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<v Speaker 8>some Hickory golf. I did that for a little while,

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<v Speaker 8>kind of, but.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't really anybody in Tad's area in Georgia who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to play Hickory's with him, so he left it

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<v Speaker 1>alone for a bit.

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<v Speaker 8>But in nineteen eighty eight a good friend of mine,

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 8>Bobby Farino, who was a big club dealer club collector,

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 8>he convinced me to go and play in the Golf

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 8>Collector Society meeting in Palm Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, the Golf Collector's Society, which was the progenitor to

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 3>the Society of Hickory golfers started when I was three

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 3>years old. It was started in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Rob Burman again. In addition to being a good

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.639
<v Speaker 1>sport about quadruple bogies, Rob is the host of the

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Plus four podcast, which focuses on hickory golf. Well, I

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>figured he was the right person to fill in some

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>historical background here.

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<v Speaker 3>From the nineteen seventies, For thirty different years there had

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 3>been annual conventions of the Golf Collectors Society at various

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 3>places in the United States, and inevitably there would be

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 3>trade shows, and these collectors from the US would bring

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 3>their clubs and they would swap and trade their hickoryes

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 3>as well as moderns and steel shafted clubs. At some

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 3>point between nineteen seventy and the year two thousand, they

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.640
<v Speaker 3>started what they call the Hickory Hacker event where the

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 3>collectors would go out, as they say, for grins and giggles,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 3>to just play their hickory clubs, and often it was

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 3>a scramble format. Part of it was just a fascination

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 3>with these incredible antiques and they wanted to get a

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 3>feel for what it might have been like back in

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the day to hit these clubs.

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It was in one of these Hickory Hacker tournaments that

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>tad Moore played in nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 8>So I went out and played, and I thought I

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 8>want it, but I didn't. But it really got me

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 8>enthused about playing with hickory golf clubs. So from that

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 8>point there was probably about twenty guys that were actively

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 8>playing hickory golf in the United States.

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 3>As you can imagine, as time went on, some players

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 3>wanted to become more serious about playing hickory clubs steadily,

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 3>and they didn't want to do the scramble format. They

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:26.199
<v Speaker 3>actually wanted to start to do genuine competitions. And this

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 3>rift developed from what I understand, between the collectors that

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to go out and have a fun time

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 3>once a year and a cadre of people that included

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 3>tad Moore, that wanted to actually make more of a

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 3>commitment to hickory golf as a pastime and a hobby.

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Those of us that play want to feel history. We

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>don't want to look at history, we want to feel it.

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<v Speaker 8>Until one night at the dun Vegan in the Saint Andrews,

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 8>we were all sitting around and had a few pints,

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 8>and the idea was that we should do something about

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 8>a group.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 3>And it was over some beers of the Don Vegan

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 3>that Tad and some others decided to get formal about

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 3>putting together an official society, creating their own set of

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>rules and really becoming independent from the Golf Collectors Society.

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>This was the beginning of the Society of Hickory Golfers,

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>which was officially founded in the year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 8>First eight years I was a president, and I was

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 8>what I like to call a benevolent dictator, and we

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 8>move forward.

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>The Society of Hickory Golfers now maintains a set of rules,

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>runs a handicap system, and of course puts on the

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>US Hickory Open. Around the same time he helped the

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>society get started, Tad Moore made another critical move. He

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>began to manufacture Hickory shafted golf clubs replicas. Again at

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a tournament like the US Hickory Open. Not limited to

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>clubs that were actually built before nineteen thirty five, you

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>can also play replicas that have been approved by the Society,

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of players here today have Tad more

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>replicas in their bag.

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Really, in my view, there are two people that are

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 3>on the same level as Tad, Tad being one of them.

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 3>The other is Mike Just, who passed away a number

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 3>of years ago, but Mike and Tad roughly around the

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 3>same time. There's a debate about who was first. Both

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 3>of these gentlemen were golf club manufacturers, Mike Just being

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 3>affiliated with Louisville Golf and Tad with his own company.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 3>As the society became popular and fashionable, they both started

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>making their own brand of modern replica Hickory golf clubs.

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Both of these gentlemen sort of helped make the barriers

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 3>to entry much more accessible for many of us because

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 3>it's much easier to get into the sport with a unified,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>matched weight set of irons or woods, which really makes

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 3>that step between modern clubs to the purest hickory game

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 3>if you're only playing original antiques, very accessible for the

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 3>average player.

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 8>And so the beauty of this game is that they

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 8>can buy a set of replicas from me get started

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 8>because the clubs are going to be exactly what they

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 8>need to play in the right shafts and right grips

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.479
<v Speaker 8>and everything, and they can get started, and then if

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 8>they want to go to the original way they can,

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.719
<v Speaker 8>But today we ship all over the world. We shipped

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 8>to Australia, we shipped to New Zealand, we shipped to Germany, Sweden, UK, Scotland,

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 8>Japan and Canada. I we ship all over the world.

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 8>So the growing society and group of people that play

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 8>with hickory golf clubs is really big.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's something about the direction that the

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>equipment business has taken since the early two thousands even

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that has made people kind of along for these kinds

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of club because the equipment has gotten so modern and engineered.

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's this sort of yearning that people

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>have for something a little more crafted.

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 8>That's a really good question. I honestly think that what

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 8>has happened is is that that people have bought into

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 8>the market of modern golf equipment and found that they

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 8>haven't gained anything. Their handicaps still stays the same. But geez,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 8>I just spent three grand on equipment and two grand

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 8>on a lessons and I'm still shooting the same score.

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 8>So they hear about this and they go out and

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 8>play it. They play from you know, more forward t's,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 8>and all of a sudden they're shooting the same scores,

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 8>you know, and so this is wonderful, you know, to

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 8>actually make a set of wood shafted golf clubs and equipment.

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 8>And then someone like yesterday walks up to me and says,

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 8>this is the greatest game in the world. Thanks for

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 8>making my club.

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Chapter four, Colin McNamara crosses the valley. If I were

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>calling right now, I wouldn't be in a very thankful mood.

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I walk with him on the thirteenth hole, a part five,

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and he hits his second shot into some long fescue

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and loses his ball. He ends up with a ten

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>on the next t We have a bit of a

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>weight and I asked him if he's willing to talk again,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>an what kind of a day has it been so far?

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<v Speaker 6>It's been a long day, but a very fun one.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>This last hole you had a bit of a struggle. Ye,

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>these things happen. Do you think they happen more often

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>in Hickory golf?

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 6>I think they do. Yeah, Hickory golf is not a

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 6>forgiving game. That said, you know, I like to think

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 6>that it doesn't reflect the person I am.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>That score on that whole, Well, I guess what reflects

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the person you are is how you reacted to it.

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You're still pretty upbeat. You know.

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 6>It's like there's an uncanny valley of attitude, right and

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 6>I've gone through the valley. Now I'm up the other side.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 6>So it's all gravy from here where.

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>You've let go in a sense and you're just having fun.

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 6>I feel true freedom makes call.

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>There is something semi serious that I want to know

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>from Colin. I want to know whether days like this

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 1>shake his faith. I mean, if I had a round

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>playing Hickory's where everything went wrong, I'd probably say, you know,

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>screw it. I'm putting the cavity back irons and the

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>frying pan driver back in the bag. Tomorrow. Help is

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>out there and I'm taking it. Is there ever a moment?

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you have moments where you're like, I wish I

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>was just, you know, playing with modern clubs? I know, no, never, never. Yeah,

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I switched.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 6>This is now going into my fourth year with entirely Hickory's,

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 6>and I haven't once. I just gave away my clubs

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 6>to my best man at my wedding a couple months ago.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 6>My modern clubs. I don't even have modern clubs anymore.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 6>I've never thought about them.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>And that is what I still can't quite relate to,

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the idea of not even being tempted. Is pain a

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>feature or a bug of Hickory golf?

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 6>Boy, I really think it's it's still a bug because

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 6>it's still golf. But it's a bug that golfers love

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 6>to have bite them.

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>And yet, Okay, So playing Hickories enhances pain, right, I don't.

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 6>If it does, you have to admit it also enhances

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 6>pleasure though, right the good shots feel better. Even if

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 6>the bad shots feel worse or more frequent.

0:35:54.880 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>The good shots feel better. This reminds me of something

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I heard in the morning from John Henry Williams, the

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>club repair guy. He was talking about introducing people to

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Hickory golf.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And when you give them a club and you take

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>them out on the golf course and they hit that

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>first pure shot. Because Hickory golf, the sounds are different.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 2>They're completely different. When you swing a wooden shafted club

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>or hickory club, it's a swooshing sound when the shaft

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>is going through its motion and there's no click when

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>it comes off to club face. But man, when you

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 2>hit one that is dead solid and it comes off,

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>it feels so good because it all resonates up through

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the shaft into your hands. You don't get that feeling

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>with metalwoods. You don't get that feeling with new clubs.

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 2>It's different, and when you experience it, it's just like, oh,

0:36:54.680 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that was so nice, And when you hit him bad,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you have exactly the same feelings.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 8>That was just awful.

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 1>So we're all familiar with those days when the swing

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is just a little bit off, when you're playing hickories,

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that can be pretty brutal. And so how do you

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>get through those days?

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 6>You know, you smile and you you talk to the

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 6>nerds following you, and really it's it's kind of all

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 6>about humor at this point, and it's all about having

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 6>the attitude that you know, I'm out here with clubs,

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 6>I love playing a game I love.

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's leave it at that. Meanwhile, Colin's playing partner, Andrew

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>von Lasso, is making the game look easy. On the

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth hole, he bludgeons a drive down the middle and

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>hits a low spinning Mashie niblic to two feet. The

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>turn is his. There's a small gallery walking the course

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and the vibe is turned casual, almost party like got

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a beer.

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 6>Things are looking up even further than they were already.

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 6>Cheers Martin.

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's when it clicks for me. Maybe a little

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 1>too late. I've spent all day trying to understand why

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>some golfers choose to play with Hickory clubs, but I've

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>missed the obvious thing. This is a group of friends,

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and once people are in it, they want to stay

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>in it. Up by the eighteenth green there's a big

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>crowd waiting. The final foursome puts out and each player

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>gets applause and pats on the back. It's like the

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>last day of summer camp. Let's keep in touch and

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>let's do it again next year. Seventy four seventy seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa Andrews. This episode of Fridagg Stories was produced by

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>me Garrett Morrison, with transcript help from Meg Atkins. Many

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>thanks to Rob Alswed, Northwest Hickory Players and the Society

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of Hickory Golfers, and special thanks to Jason Vangild who

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>is the general manager of Gearheart Golf Links, and to

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Forrest Goodling, who's the superintendent. If you stick around after

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 1>this music fades out, you'll hear a quick post round

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>interview I did with Andrew von Lasso, the twenty twenty

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>one US Hickory Open Champion. We'd love to know what

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you think of Fridagg's story, so feel free to reach

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<v Speaker 1>review on iTunes. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 5>It could have gone the other way if I had

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 5>a bad attitude, you know, just like, hey, relax, we're

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:54.280
<v Speaker 5>playing Hickory golf here. It's a hard way to play.

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>What's the biggest challenge of playing Hickory golf? I mean,

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you play a lot of you know, off with modern equipment,

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and you play qualifiers, you do all that stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest adjustment for you to Hickory golf? What what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say it's not quite slowing down your swing. You

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<v Speaker 5>gotta slow down your swinging away, not take as much

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<v Speaker 5>a big not take a full swing like flight hit

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<v Speaker 5>flighted shots most of the time, and sometimes it's good

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<v Speaker 5>to hit it up up in the air. But like

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's not like the the modern game where

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<v Speaker 5>you're trying to just hoist everything. I normally don't, but

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<v Speaker 5>just having that trust, like this club's gonna it's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>be there, and you can hit these load draws or

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<v Speaker 5>low phades, and you can hit it high also, but

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<v Speaker 5>I find keeping it low to the ground playing the

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<v Speaker 5>links courses, it's like that's the It's how it's meant

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<v Speaker 5>to be played.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Well, what's the biggest joy of playing with

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of equipment to you? I'd say hitting it solid.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that feel.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the sound, it's that extra like this deep

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<v Speaker 5>sound with the Hickory and same with hitting this solid

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<v Speaker 5>club modern club.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love hitting it solid. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And then when you now when you're playing Hickory second

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<v Speaker 5>shots drives, you're looking at more than just looking at

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<v Speaker 5>the flag. You're like, hey, I gotta play this left

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<v Speaker 5>side here off this bank. Like that shot on seventeen

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<v Speaker 5>was like, all right, I know the pin's kind of middle, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Well let's look left. I know the green slope into

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<v Speaker 5>the right. I landed in that area, took the slope,

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<v Speaker 5>released out to a foot, and I'm like, now that

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<v Speaker 5>was really satisfying because you're not gonna fly it to

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<v Speaker 5>the five eighty eight yards. I'm not gonna fly eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna fly a seventy five have release and just

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<v Speaker 5>play the course. Play the You know you're playing the course,

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<v Speaker 5>so