1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: and Stuff Media. I'm An Eeries and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about Ntella. Yes, Natella, which I've 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: always said new Tella, and some people wrote in to 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: say I was mispronouncing it, but I also read in 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: other places that it is new Tella, So murder. I 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: think that in like common parlance, like either is acceptable. 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Both will get your point across about what product you're discussing. Yes, 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: I think that is a fair assessment, Lauren, And either, 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: however you pronounce it. It is something that I love 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: and I heard tell of it when I was a kid, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: and it was like this beautiful fantasy of mine that 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: one day I would get to Europe and I would 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: try it because I grew up in a really small town. 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was available in the US, but it 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a ailable where I was. Um, and so I 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: thought the only way to get to Europe, I need 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: to go to Europe mostly for the natilla. I guess 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: other stuff as well, but but the key is the natilla. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I remember indulging in quite a bit 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: of it, and I don't have it so much anymore. 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: But my mom gives me those little mini nutella I'll see, 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm switching back and forth between the pressenciations. That's great. Um, 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: she gives me those little SnackPacks every year for Christmas. 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: And the crepes, oh, natilla crepes, Oh my gosh. Yeah, 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: they're intensely delicious. Um. Uh. My. My grandmother when I 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: was growing up, when it was maybe like like early 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: teens or so, UM had some. She always had some 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: on hand and that was her like preferred breakfast, like 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: natella on toast. And I never argued with that that 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: was delicious. It would have been foolish, too foolish. But 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: all of this brings us to our question tella. What 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: is it? Well, Natella is a hazel nut butter with 34 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: added cocoa, milk, sugar, and oil, resulting in a sweet, creamy, rich, toasty, 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: gooey spread. The cravings have already kicked in. That's fantastic. 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: The name ntella is a combination of the English word 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: nut and the Spanish suffix for sweet ella. I have 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: seen some different opinions on that as well, but I 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: think something like this is accurate. Sure that sounds reasonable, Yes, Um, 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: nutrition wise, it is a treat for sure. I know 41 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: that there that there have been points in time at 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: which Ttella was like, we're a great breakfast. But uh 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: like if you shouldn't really take nutrition advice for me, 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: definitely don't take it for my grandmother. Uh. That's no 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: offense grandma. Um, she she, she, She'll steer you wrong 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: every time. Um. No, okay. So if you check the 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: Natila label, which lists ingredients in order of the greatest 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: percentage of total content to the least, as all nutritional 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: labels do here in the United States at any rate, um, 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: you'll notice that sugar and palm oil appear first. So 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: although hazelnuts and cocoa are the primary flavors and are, 52 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: unto themselves, pretty good for you. Uh yeah, Natola is 53 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: mostly just sugar and palm oil. Yeah, so uh those 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: are less good for you. Um. A serving is considered 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: a relatively reasonable to tablespoons that's about thirty seven grams 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: and contains a fifth of your daily recommended intake of 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: saturated fat. Um also twenty one grams of sugar, with 58 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: a comparatively minuscule amount of protein and fiber in their 59 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: two grams and one gram respectively. So although that fat 60 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: will fill you up temporarily, um, natola is not going 61 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: to keep you going. Um. In contrast, for example, your 62 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: average serving of peanut butter in the same amount might 63 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: have like three grams of sugar and eight grams of protein, 64 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot a lot better of about one. Yeah, and 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: he's like peanut butter too, And yeah, you know, I mean, 66 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: treats are okay, Just be aware of their treats and 67 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: also mindful of your serving sizes. Absolutely always important. Yes, um, 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: brief kill joy corner here that we'll have to expand 69 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: upon in another episode. Palm oil is just hella problematic. Um. 70 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: Not because it's likely to cause cancer. That was a 71 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: really misreported pops Eye headline that got passed around pretty 72 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: extensively a few years back. Uh. No, that the issues 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: are largely environmental and worker rights related. The increased demand 74 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: for palm oil because it's trans fat free in the 75 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: processed food industry has led to really widespread rainforest deforestation 76 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: and unhealthy mono cropping, with a whole bunch of accusations 77 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: of human rights abuses and child labor along the way. 78 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: There is a movement toward and it has been since 79 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: I think two thousand four towards sustainable and humane production practices, 80 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: but only about nineteen percent of global palm oil production 81 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: is currently certified sustainable. However, Ferreiro, the company that owns Natella, 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: is a leading brand in making the switch. As of 83 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: they had switched entirely to sustainable palm oil and um, 84 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and organizations like the World Wildlife Federation and green Peace 85 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: both say that they're doing great. Oh that's nice. So yeah, 86 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: so feel bad about palm oil and everything else, But 87 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: in terms of Naintella, you're doing Okay. You talked about 88 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: this a little bit on stuff they don't want you 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: to know, right, Yeah, yeah, I did. We were doing 90 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: an episode about Nestle, and Nestlee is one of the 91 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: large purchasers of palm oil for their processed food products, 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: and they are less good at that sustainability thing. So yeah, 93 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: and I know a listener wrote in who I believe 94 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: is involved somewhere somehow? You are, I remember. But about 95 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the complexity of just all of the differ things that 96 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: palm oil is used for. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean 97 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a great product. Is the problem is the problem? Yes? 98 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: But if you're concerned about this, there is a potential solution. 99 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can also make your own natala at home. Um. 100 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: There's a pretty good sounding recipe up on splendid table 101 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: involving Yeah, just like hazelnuts, milk, chocolate and coca powder 102 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: and powdered sugar and alternate vegetable oil like canola. There 103 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: you go, There you go. If we look at some numbers, 104 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Ntella is available in one d and sixty countries globally. 105 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: As of one jar is sold every two point five seconds. 106 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: Enough ntella was produced to go around the world one 107 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: point four times. The world consumes about three hundred and 108 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: sixty five thousand tons of ntella every year a ton 109 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: per a ton per day wow in the UK and 110 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: to tell us sells more than marmite. Yeah, Italian consume 111 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: an annual sixty million jars and there are eleven factories 112 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: around the world turning out this stuff. There are a 113 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: number of Natelea themed cafes also around the world. One 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: in Portugal has churros and sweet kebabs that are filled 115 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: with natella. Um. Also you can find sweet natle bobs 116 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: in the at the one in Palestine and yeah, they're 117 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: chiosks and shopping centers and food markets all around the world. Apparently, 118 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: for a while, Italian children who came to shops with 119 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: a slice of bread in Italy could get a free 120 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: smear of natella. It was called the smearing so fantastic 121 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: because it sounds kind of like horror movie esque. I 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: feel like any of the I n G word. Yeah, 123 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: horror movies have ruined, sure, and kind of a fun way, 124 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I mean the smearing like it sounds 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: so delightful. And yet and yet some McDonald's in Italy 126 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: sold a natla burger. It was a dessert, not like 127 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: a real burger. No meat was involved. It was this 128 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: little pastry that was made to look like a burger, 129 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: you know, like the top and bottom the golden brown 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: of a burger bun, and the middle layer colored this 131 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: rich brown, and it had a little pocket of oozy 132 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: ntella in the center. Um it was. It was about 133 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: the size of a slider and was called the Sweetie Connetella. 134 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: That sounds good, right, that sounds good. And two thousand, five, 135 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: seven thousand, eight hundred and fifty four people gathered in 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Germany to earn the Guinness world record for largest continental 137 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: breakfast in honor of Ntella's fortieth anniversary, the bakfast largely 138 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: featured Natella yep, and until his death in MICHAELA Ferrero, 139 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: the son of Ntella inventor Pietro Ferrero, was believed to 140 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: be the richest man in Italy at twenty six point 141 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. Yeah. They also make those Ferrero Rochet chocolates. Yeah, 142 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: with the hazel lit in the center. Yeah. Yeah, what 143 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: my young child mind a fancy chocolate? Oh yeah, that 144 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: was like a big deal. I still think those are 145 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: pretty fancy. True, It's true. Um. The company is the 146 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: fourth largest in the chocolate confectionery market, making about eleven 147 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: billion dollars a year, and it's also the largest user 148 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of hazel nuts in the world, using up to the 149 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: supply hazelnuts go into each seven graham jar on average. Wow. Yeah, 150 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: that is quite a few hazelnuts. And I've got a 151 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of history or recent history 152 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: about how that is becoming a problem. But we've got 153 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: more history before that, and even before that, we've got 154 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 155 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsors. Yes, thank you. Tella itself 156 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: might be a recent tishue the element, but its roots 157 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: go way back to the Napoleonic Wars in eighteen o six. 158 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: What Yes, Napoleon was doing his best to win the 159 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: war by decimating British commerce with a devastating continental blockade. 160 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: Makes sense, okay. As part of this, the price of 161 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,479 Speaker 1: chocolate sword too exorbitant heights, And just as a reminder, 162 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: record show, eating chocolate was a thing in Europe by 163 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: at least the mid seventeenth century. And you can see 164 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: our chocolate episode from more on that. Yeah, so people 165 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: were like Jones, ng for it. Yes, and Italian chocolate 166 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: teers on the boarder of France and Sweden, the Piedmont 167 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: region of Italy, where the finest chocolate in the world 168 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: was being made at the time, We're searching for a 169 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: solution to their chocolate woes, and they landed on adding 170 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: chopped hazel nuts to the mix to make the supply 171 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: last longer. And they named this paste John Doya, and 172 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: the paste was named after a character from an Italian comedy. Yeah, 173 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: a peasant with a three point hat. He goes around 174 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: on a donkey carrying a container called a Douya, probably 175 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: with wine in it. Okay, chocolate maybe, we don't know, Cocoa, 176 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: could have been anything. It was probably one. But eventually 177 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the character evolved into a puppets. Yes, and at the 178 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: touring carnival these candies were handed out and people noticed 179 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: a resemblance of the candy shape to the three point hats. Yeah. 180 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: So these candies made with this paste and you can 181 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: find these John Dooya mask in the Piedmont region of Italy, 182 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: and the character featured heavily in the advertising. Four the 183 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: product that we're talking about, of whose history we're about 184 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: to get into, featured probably on there. Yeah. Worth noting 185 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: though some dispute this history and think that the combination 186 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: of chocolate and hazel nuts like in a piece happened 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: in France first and then you know, and then moved around. Yeah, 188 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: those kind of things mysteries of history. But if we 189 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: skip ahead, another war sparked more hazel lit spread innovation. 190 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: Ntella got its start in the nineteen forties and an 191 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: Italian baker named Piotro Ferreiro, faced with the chocolate shortage 192 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: due to World War Two, was looking for a cheaper alternative, 193 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: and hazel nuts were easy to find in the area, 194 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: and they were inexpensive, and with the addition of sugar 195 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: and a small amount of cocoa, he had a winner 196 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: on his hands. According to the version of the story 197 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: on the Italian Heritage website, a long forgotten jar of 198 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: cocoa butter was what went into this first iteration. And 199 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: whatever the case, it was up to five times cheaper 200 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: than chocolate. Yeah, it was pretty substantial. The story goes 201 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Pietro had along been attempting to come up with a sweet, 202 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: inconvenient and cheap option for workers, an alternative to their 203 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: like cheese and tomato sandwiches. Um, and he took inspiration 204 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: from the still available John Doya to make a paste 205 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: called Postone, which is a pastry mesh of chocolate and hazelnut. 206 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: Several interviews, well no, I don't know if several, but 207 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: in interviews um his son said that Pietro's like it 208 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: was his destiny to invent this. He was determined to 209 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: invent it. Yeah. Also fun. When you look up the 210 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: history of Natella, it says you can think Hitler and 211 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Napoleon for Natella. And I was like what and like 212 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: whole a little different, a little bit of a head 213 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: like an eye catching headline. But I guess at first 214 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: they sold this new product in a solid block that 215 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: could be sliced off in what was called pasta John Douya. 216 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a big block and it 217 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: was wrapped in aluminum. Okay, it kind of looks like 218 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: a bread move oh sure, sure, yeah, and just and 219 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: just just hunk a slice off. Yeah. But there was 220 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: a problem because children who loved it, um, they would 221 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: often remove it from in between the slice of bread 222 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: that their parents served it to them. Yes, exactly. So 223 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: Pho went back to the drawing board, and not too 224 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: long after that they offered a more familiar, spreadable version 225 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: called Super Grandma. And in ninety eight a river in Alba, 226 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: which is where the factory was located, overflowed and flooded 227 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the facility and the one and twenty women working there 228 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: at the time or rescued from the roof. It took 229 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: three days to get all of the mud out, and 230 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Pietro was involved in this effort. But some people think 231 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: that really stressed his heart and he died in nineteen 232 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: forty nine. Whether it was that or something else, but 233 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: the ownership of the company passed to his son Machayley. 234 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: The name Natella didn't come around until nineteen sixty four, 235 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: and that is the same year it was introduced into 236 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: the UK. And this was due to the efforts of Michael, 237 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: who improved the recipe and designed the jar. The iconic 238 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: jar um Nutella spread throughout year pretty quick clean, making 239 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: it to Germany by nineteen sixty five, in France by 240 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. By nineteen seventy eight, not only could 241 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: most of Europe find utella, but it had made the 242 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: journey to Australia. Yeah, but why the name change? Oh? 243 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I love this. I'm so in love with weird legal things. 244 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Um. So they had to change 245 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: in the name from super crema due to the passage 246 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: of a nineteen sixty two law in Italy banning the 247 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: use of superlatives and products for consumers. Isn't that great? Great? 248 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: When trying to get to the heart of Nattella's popularity 249 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: in Italy, is often described as an affordable luxury, something 250 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: that felt unique and modern and fancy, but you could 251 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: still you could still afford to. Yeah, get a job. 252 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: The first jar of nutella um in the US at Restorn, 253 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: New York in nineteen eighty three. That kind of blows 254 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: my mind. In n Pereiro put together an exhibition in 255 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: the Carousel de Louver in Paris called Generation Atla, featuring 256 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: thirty years of art created by artists and their thirties. 257 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I see what you did? Who had been inspired by 258 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Breakfast of Natella. Oh wow? And in Natla sponsored the 259 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: Italian football team and a lot of people when I 260 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: was reading about Natilla, they said that this was a 261 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: very smart move because it made it seem and we're 262 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about this a little bit more in 263 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a second, but Natella did try to get away with 264 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: this whole healthy thing for a while. And someone it 265 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: was like, oh, the Italian football today, na Tella, look 266 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: at them in great shape. I can do it too, 267 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: if you run around as much as those players. Yeah, 268 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: that's it, if that's your job. A specialized Natella knife 269 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: becomes available in France and two thousand two. The snack 270 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: packs with Natella and those little bread sticks debuted in 271 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, and then in in seven two 272 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: bloggers in Italy started were Natilla Day on February five, 273 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: a day to celebrate and enjoy the spread. You're supposed 274 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: to share your stories of Nutella, your pictures of new Tella. 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice. The company must have been so excited. Nope, 276 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: they they attempted to shut it down in but they 277 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: later changed your mind, Like, maybe this isn't a good 278 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: look for maybe if people want to celebrate a thing 279 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: that that's nice. Yeah. Yeah, Natella has super fans. That's 280 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: something else. I read a lot about ownership of world 281 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Natilla day shifted to the company for a row. Um 282 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: two eight is also when Ntella found itself onto the 283 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: microscope for exaggerating its health benefits as the breakfast for children. Um, 284 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of walls and I won't go into them, 285 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, they kind of got their wrist slapped a 286 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah. Yeah, there's still the jar that I 287 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: have in my own house still has a little a 288 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: little like like picture on the back. That's like part 289 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: of a healthy breakfast if you have a whole healthy bracte. Right, 290 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, sure, yeah, I guess that's true. 291 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: In two thousand twelve, a French proposed tax on palm oil, 292 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: one of Natella's primary ingredients, caused such an international uproar 293 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: that it became known as natal attack, and while it passed, 294 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: a coalition of conservative and communist members of the French 295 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: Senate defeated the social security budget it was a part of. 296 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: It was a big deal. I think it was called 297 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: like the Communist coalition. The Yeah, it's a whole thing. 298 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: I oh goodness, that's that. Knowing what I know about 299 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: palm oil, that's really upsetting all. I mean, I love 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: to tell it to but heck, yeah, we have more 301 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: intrigue though. In a parked van in Germany was robbed 302 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: of five tons of Natella worth about sixteen thousand euros 303 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: just about twenty dollars food. And then there's more and 304 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: more intrigue. Columbia University found itself at the center of 305 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Ntella Gate, when an expose revealed almost six thousand dollars 306 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: a week went to Natella for the dining facilities for 307 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: the one pounds a day consumed by the students, and 308 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: this was partially because so many students were sneaking jars 309 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: back to their rooms. It does not surprise me at all. 310 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't just that they were eating a lot. They 311 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: were eating a lot all the time and stealing and 312 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: and if you're worried someone might steal your Natella, never fear. 313 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: German designer Daniel Schoblock invented the Natella lock. What it's 314 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: pretty much what it sounds like. Um. It started out 315 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: as sort of a joke product. According to the inventor, 316 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: one of my friends was always getting worked up because 317 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: his children were stealing his Natella, so he invented a 318 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: lock that goes on top. Okay um. But he ended 319 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: up selling about a thousand of them, so apparently this 320 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: is a concern for at least a thousand people. Clearly 321 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: a problem. When a French supermarket chain dropped the price 322 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: of Natella by seventy a couple of years ago, it 323 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: caused a bit of a riot, like actually people fighting. 324 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: Everyone was stock pining, stockpiling Natella like there was no tomorrow. 325 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: And I remember this when I saw it in the news. 326 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: Remind me of Black Friday. Sure yeah, say yeah, like 327 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: like like elbows were thrown. Yes, and the chain actually 328 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: went under investigation for potentially violating French trade laws after that. Yeah, 329 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: don't don't undersell your Natella. No, no. In Ferreiro opened 330 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: its first and telecafe in Chicago and a second one 331 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: opened in late New York. And yes, these are officially 332 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: branded cafes devoted to Ntella. Like the decor is all 333 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: done in white with these accents of rich woods and 334 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: golds and cream and pops of red. The light fixtures 335 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: are shaped like hazel flowers. Um. I've seen photos of 336 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: what look like savory sandwiches from the past, but the 337 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: current menus are entirely sweets, like fruit pies with Natella 338 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: grilled banana bread topped with bananas and hazelnuts, and Natila 339 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: yogurt parfait with Chian hempseeds and fresh fruit, and Natla 340 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: Panzanella of pound cake and yogurt and berries and fresh 341 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: basil and Natela um a brioche uh gelato sandwich with Natella. Wow. 342 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: Um it honestly sounds completely overwhelming. That's all. Yeah, that's 343 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: all that going on. Yeah, the mini says in like 344 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: multiple places, like all of the blow items contained to 345 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: tell all right, well, um, Natella, which I should mention 346 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: here Natella does have the super fans and there there's 347 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: been um other companies like Hershey's has introduced their own 348 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: chocolate spread. But a lot of people who study this 349 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of thing have said, like Natella has solidified this 350 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: kind of fandom. Um. Also, they've never revealed their recipe 351 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: and they've lost lawsuits rather than have it have to 352 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: reveal parts of what it is. But they change their 353 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: recipe in even though no one is entirely sure what's 354 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: going on in there. Their fans flipped out, okay, um yeah, 355 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: hashtag intelligate um anohing to delegate another intelligate Um. What 356 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: happened was this German consumer protection organization came out with 357 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: this report that the makeup of new jars of Natla 358 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: was different than that of old jars, UM, with more 359 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: powdered skim milk added and more sugar added than before. Um. 360 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean, companies change recipes from time to time, and 361 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: they're not, you know, like legally obligated to tell you 362 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: about it really um, but yeah, yeah, it caused a 363 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: whole kerfuffle um here here in the States. UM. In 364 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: respond to the story, like reporters reached out to Ferreiro company. UM. 365 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Natella told news outlets that they were fine tuning the 366 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: recipe over here as well, swapping in milk powder for 367 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the previously used way powder. They seemed a little bit 368 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: defensive and and honestly quite surprised that all of this 369 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: was happening, probably a little fair. I was like when 370 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I was going through it and reading comments from people 371 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: are so funny. It was like sweeter than before. It's 372 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: not a sweet Like everybody had something to say. Yeah. 373 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: I think the tweet that stuck with me was why 374 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: don't you just stick a mustache on the mona Lisa? Wow? 375 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: People love them Natella, they do, they do um and 376 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: uh yeah. The popularity of Natella and other hazelnut based 377 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: foods is causing something of a supply and demand issue. 378 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Like candy, companies are predicting a shortage of hazelnuts within 379 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: the next five years if demand continues to increase, and 380 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: that's because of um. There's this fungal blight that's preventing 381 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: farmers from growing hazel nut trees in more areas, or 382 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: even in all of the areas that they used to grow. 383 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Right now, it's down to like I think Oregon and 384 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: like one part of Turkey, and that's about it. Because 385 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: this blight has been for a century, people have been 386 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get around it. Um, 387 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: and researchers are still working on it. And UM there's 388 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: one study. There's one program out of Rutgers University that 389 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: has been like the guys there have been working on 390 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: this for like twenty years and um, and they hope 391 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: that they have now developed trees as of that can 392 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: both produce good nuts and resist the blight. And they 393 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: have some of these trees out for like testing. Yeah, well, 394 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: I hope it. I hope it's successful. Yeah, absolutely, it's 395 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: It's really interesting, like like hazel nuts were added into 396 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: this chocolate stuff to make it cheaper, and now hazelnuts 397 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: are way more expensive than CaCO. So yeah, yeah, I mean, 398 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: you never know things are gonna go. Um. Oh gosh, 399 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm had nattellan so long. I resisted eating any well 400 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: from the aforementioned jar while I was researching this. And 401 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of myself. I have this weird thing 402 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: about um not trusting myself a snack. So, like I said, 403 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, my mom gives me the snack 404 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: box every year, and this year, I um donated them 405 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: all to a friend of mine. And now I'm regretting 406 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: that decision. Well, yeah, maybe that's maybe Chandler still has 407 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: Oh I don't know, Oh, probably not. I don't think 408 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: she had them the next day. Probably not even that. 409 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, it's Chandler peek behind the curtain. Yes 410 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: he is. He's one of our co workers, favorite producers. Uh, 411 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: he's always got a snack. Yes, he's a snacker. He is. Well. Um, 412 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: that about brings us to the end of this episode 413 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: on Natilla. It does, um, and it's going to bring 414 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: us to some listener mail. But first it's going to 415 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: bring us to one more quick break for a word 416 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsors, Yes, 417 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: thank you, And we're back with listener mail. Yeah. It's 418 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: a face I make. You can't see it, but it 419 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: was very dreamy I think about Natilla. Christina wrote just 420 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: made it Through Deviled Eggs, a tip I ran across 421 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: several years ago from Tricia Yearwood. Helps save you from 422 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: those wonky eggs with lopsided whites. A day or two 423 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: before you're going to make your eggs, flip them over 424 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: in the cartain or the whole carton if you're crazy 425 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: like that. It resenters the yoke for those perfect deviled eggs. 426 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: The trick remembering to do it and not want deviled 427 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: eggs to eat. Also, don't forget you've done it. I 428 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: will add. Also I mentioned my work habit of keeping 429 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: track of what kind of mold I find. The last 430 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: time I wrote, she did, and since then I've found 431 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: pink mold. I didn't know what came in pink most 432 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: exciting part of work in a while. My co workers 433 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: still think I'm strange. But you have to take your 434 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: fun where you can find it. And I can tell 435 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: you I am super excited that you found pink old. 436 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: I hope it's not some kind of like zombie thing 437 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: that's going to kill me, but sure, but it's exciting. 438 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, I mean pink things are frequently exciting, 439 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: especially in nature, especially right. Yeah. Isn't that there a 440 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: whole thing about how pink is kind of rare nature? 441 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: It's not pink, it's some other color. Yeah, I think 442 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm I think blue is relatively rare, like a good 443 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: true indigo. Um, flying squirrels, did you know glow pink 444 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: under UV light? That's amazing, they're they're underbellies. Yeah. Researchers 445 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: aren't sure why. Oh I love it. I love it. 446 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that with me, Lauren, anytime, anytime. 447 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: Y'all can also find me on brain Stuff wherever fun 448 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: podcasts are found. The luck of the episode also tell 449 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: us kind of not intentional. Yeah no, hey, not not 450 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: a sponsored episode, just a subjective interest. Rachel wrote, Kiwi's 451 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: never turn up empty handed, and we call this bring 452 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: a plate. If you were ever told to bring a 453 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: plate to a party in New Zealand, make sure it 454 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: has food on it. Migrants often talk of the embarrassment 455 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: of assuming their host just does not have enough crockery. 456 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: I think, though, as controversial as the Pavlova, is that 457 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: the national dish of New Zealand is the handheld meat pie, 458 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: something you seriously miss out on in the United States. 459 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: You are so correct. You really cannot go past a 460 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: good steak and cheese pie. Every bakery, convenience store, cafe, 461 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: and gas station sells pies because they're small. We don't 462 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: say I love pie like you do in the US 463 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: about fruit pie. We say I love pies. Hearing it 464 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: in the singular is super weird for us. I think 465 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: if you ever ever tried to claim that the pie 466 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: was New Zealand or Auesie, it would be a war. 467 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: Not the affectionate pa banter, but complete lockdown of borders. 468 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: All right. Goodness, well I was nervous when we did 469 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: Pavlova and meat pies has been on our list for 470 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: a long time. Goodness, good to know, good to know 471 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: that there's okay. I mean I think that meat pies 472 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: belonged to everyone. Can we can? We can we agree on? That? 473 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: Is that anything we can agree on? Vegans and vegetarians 474 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: are like, no, that's true, that's true. Uh. The one 475 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: time that I got to hang out in England for 476 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: a week, I ate more than one meat pie per day. 477 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, like Australia New Zealand. Every time, I'm 478 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: just so part of me is upset and we don't 479 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: have this. Yeah yeah, there is a shop here in Atlanta. 480 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's also an Australian one. I can't rear 481 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: the name of it. Yes, yeah, there's an Australian bakery 482 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: up on. The only location left I think is upon 483 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: Marietta Square. If y'all, if y'all live in Atlanta, please 484 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: like google Ausie meat Pie Atlanta and go find it, 485 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: because holy heck, it's so good. Yeah. Oh, now I'm 486 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: just dreaming about meat We've gotten from Natila Meat What 487 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: an episode every always Sorry. Thanks to both of them 488 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: for writing in. If you would like to write to 489 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: as you can, Our email is hello at savor pod 490 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: dot com. We're also on social media. 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