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Speaker 2: And I tease you a little bit. I said, I

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Speaker 2: How did I say your last name?

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Speaker 3: I say that right, It's Searles, and most people call

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Speaker 3: me Randy.

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Speaker 2: Randy Searles, former Sergeant Major, seventh Group. Huh yeah. Oh

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Speaker 2: so no small little task. Also, we have a mutual

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Jim heard me on another podcast, not to talk

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Speaker 3: That's what he wanted to do. He was very emotional

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Speaker 2: There, and the book is called static Line, An Airborne

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Speaker 2: Indian motorcycle and breaks the land speed record. But he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: where are these tires? From the safety guy, He's like,

432
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: I carved him with my knife. He's like, what is this?

433
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: Is this a cork? He's like, yeah, from a brandy bottle.

434
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: It's in his gas tank. He's like, what the hell

435
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 2: are we gonna let you race? And he wound up

436
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: breaking the land speed record, right, And what a great

437
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: movie to be a part of. I was really happy

438
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: to be just the feature. I was a featured extra

439
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: as an official who said driver safety meeting in two

440
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: minutes in the background, and so you know, and then

441
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: when they're doing the whole checkup, you know, I have

442
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: a clipboard and I got my pencil and no hair right,

443
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: nothing at all. I look like babyface rat and I'm

444
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: like just marking down. When he's like, is this a

445
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: brandy bottle? He's like, what are these? Did you cut

446
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: these with your tires? So we filmed that for seven

447
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 2: days out on the salt Flats. I gotta work with

448
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: Tony Sir Anthony Hopkins, really great guy. He's like, he's like,

449
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 2: what's your name? I said, it's Aaron. He's like, say

450
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: it one more time to me. I won't forget it.

451
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: It's like, it's Aaron. He's like, I'm Tony. So the

452
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 2: whole time we're sitting there, what's up right? And then

453
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Speaker 2: the scene happens and one of the actors in the

454
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Speaker 2: scene kept forgetting his lines. Dude just kept forgetting it

455
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: and blowing it off and laughing about it, and Tony's like,

456
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: what's your motivation? He asked the actor, what's your motivation?

457
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: In the scene, right now. He's like, listen, I got

458
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: the part, I got the script. I flew here, I'm

459
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: gonna fly home and there's gonna be a paycheck in

460
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Speaker 2: my mailbox. That's what he told Tony. And Tony looks

461
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: at me and he goes it was Aaron right. It's

462
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 2: like Tony right, It's like, bro, give me the dialogue.

463
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: Like Tony puts everything into his you know, he's like,

464
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Speaker 2: what are you doing in the scene to me, dude,

465
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Speaker 2: do you know I have an Academy award Now that

466
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Speaker 2: reminds me of of your eighty five year old one

467
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Speaker 2: handed pilot friend, you know, like air pirates are something

468
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's awesome.

469
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 3: He's awesome, and he just like flew to Africa. He's

470
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: still flying around with his family's playing this stuff. But yeah,

471
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: so fifty percent of the guys I work with their military,

472
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Speaker 3: you know, they come to me all the time. Like,

473
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: I just finished another one. It was what it was.

474
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Speaker 3: It just came out. That was the name of the book.

475
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Speaker 3: Was what it was by Dan Pace. Daniel Pace, and

476
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Speaker 3: uh it was it was about his time in a

477
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Speaker 3: round and he was a Green Beret too, but before

478
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: he was a Green Beray. He was he was in

479
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: the cab unit and they went to Iraq and he

480
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: he just wanted to tell a story because he didn't

481
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Speaker 3: feel like the stories that were coming out were telling

482
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Speaker 3: the story that he lived. So he wanted to tell

483
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Speaker 3: his story about uh, you know, working working in through

484
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Speaker 3: through with and UH the the uh the Iraqi you know,

485
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: UH leadership and a village that he was working with

486
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Speaker 3: or in a city that he was working in. So

487
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Speaker 3: that's so we worked through that. But the big thing

488
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Speaker 3: with that is, right, it's all about your verbiage, the

489
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Speaker 3: vocabulary you're using. Are you how are you going to

490
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Speaker 3: present that to people who aren't military, who aren't going

491
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Speaker 3: to understand what you're talking about. And then it's also

492
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Speaker 3: writing really compelling scenes, like starting your scene with something

493
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Speaker 3: that the first sentence of every scene of every chapter

494
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: captures the hooks the audience with a bunch of questions

495
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Speaker 3: to where I went, like today was today was hell? Okay,

496
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Speaker 3: that's a great start, Right, that's a good sentence, like

497
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Speaker 3: why is it help? Where the hell is he? Who

498
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: is this guy? You know you're asking all these questions.

499
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Speaker 3: The more questions you can get the reader to ask,

500
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Speaker 3: that he's going to read the chapter, he's going to

501
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: figure it out, right, and then if you end the

502
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Speaker 3: chapter with another hook, he's like, but that wasn't my

503
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: worst day, or you know, just as an example, oh yeah,

504
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: well what what what worse?

505
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Speaker 2: What could be worse for that?

506
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Speaker 3: The idea is you hook them so that it becomes

507
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Speaker 3: that one and you're sitting in your bed and you're reading.

508
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm just gonna read another chapter. It's like,

509
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: oh shit, what worse could happen? It's like and then

510
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: you know, then you get another hook and you're like, ohit,

511
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 3: I gotta read this chapter first, you know. And that's

512
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: the idea. So a good example of this is there's

513
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Speaker 3: an article, overally old article about Anne Rice Interview with

514
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Speaker 3: a Vampire. All those horror books, right, and uh, she

515
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: wrote Interview with Vampire and she couldn't get anyone to

516
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Speaker 3: buy the damn thing. And everyone's like it's not compelling,

517
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: is enough? It's not exciting, and she's like, I'm tired

518
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Speaker 3: of these these these responses. I'm going to write a

519
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Speaker 3: hook on every damn page and when they turn the page,

520
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Speaker 3: they can't stop but read the whole page before they I.

521
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Speaker 2: Just wrote, here, hook them every single page.

522
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it for every single page. So she

523
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: wrote it, and then she got accepted, right, and they

524
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Speaker 3: made it hardback and it sold like hotcakes. And then

525
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 3: when the paperback verst usually the paperback takes a year

526
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: or so to come out, right, so the paperback comes

527
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 3: this before digital books. Right now, digital books is all

528
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Speaker 3: screwed up. But if you do it for the chapter

529
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Speaker 3: to see, at least you're in the right direction. But

530
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Speaker 3: her case, when it came out in paperback, the formatting

531
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Speaker 3: was not the same as a hardback, so the hooks

532
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Speaker 3: weren't at the top of every page anymore, and that

533
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Speaker 3: paperbacks weren't selling very well. And the publishers were like,

534
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened. She's like, I'll see what happened.

535
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: You screwed up my books because I wrote a hook

536
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Speaker 3: on every page, and now there's not a hook on

537
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: every page because then now it's the formatting is all weird.

538
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: So they released these large paperback versions so that there's

539
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Speaker 3: a hook on every page again, and she sold a

540
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Speaker 3: lot more books. So I don't know if that's urban legend,

541
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: but it's a really good story and it makes sense,

542
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: so I tell it whenever I can.

543
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: I talked to so many folks who write books and

544
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, and these publishers who asked me to get

545
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Speaker 2: their authors on all the time. And one of them

546
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: is like, hey, rad, let us know if you ever

547
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: think about it. And I was like, well, who hasn't

548
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: thought about it, you know? Or I don't know, I

549
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: have thought about it. Coming from a movie acting background,

550
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: you know, it's like I'd rather write almost a movie,

551
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: you know, about things or something like that. It's but

552
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: there's always the book to movie like Rambo, you know,

553
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: hello first Blood.

554
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Speaker 3: But a good story is a good story right when

555
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: I teach. When I teach, so I'm part of the

556
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Speaker 3: skiel Bridge program, which is you know, transitioning that, you know,

557
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: transitioning military any service when they get out, if their

558
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: chance of command lets them, they can spend two to

559
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: four months with me and they don't have to work

560
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: at all. They don't show up for work at all.

561
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: They get paid their normal pay and they just we

562
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Speaker 3: work online and we meet once a week and we

563
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: talk about if they want to be a writer. I'll

564
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: read their stuff. I'll read a chapter, we'll talk analyze

565
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: their chapters and stuff like that. If they want to

566
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Speaker 3: be an editor like I am, I'll say this is

567
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Speaker 3: this was my It's not everyone's path. This is my path.

568
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: I will you know, it'll be my intern. I'll teach

569
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: you what I know. We'll do some clients together, and

570
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: then you go on your way. If I have to

571
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: find your own clients, that's the hardest part, and then

572
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: you can maybe make some money at least hip hocket

573
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: money if nothing else, or make a career like I do.

574
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: Either way, but I tell that, I tell them all.

575
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, you got you gotta you know, take

576
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: this like a job. You got to cheat like a job.

577
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: You got to figure out you know, your clients, you

578
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: got to figure out your finances, and then you got

579
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: to do the work. And obviously there's some balance in there.

580
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: And it's just like but also when you write books,

581
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: it's the same thing nowadays because there's so many books

582
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: out there. So there was this court case. You may

583
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: not be familiar with it. I think it was twenty twenty.

584
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: Penguin was trying to buy Simon Schuster. I think is

585
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: what happened. A friend of mine just send me this substack.

586
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: But I have the article that I read, and basically

587
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: the court, the court was like, is this a monopoly

588
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: if Penguin buys it? And because Penguin's a big one

589
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: time issues is a big one if one buys the other,

590
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: or do now have the big four publishers instead of

591
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: the big five? And is this a monopoly? It was

592
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: like a one point two billion dollar deal at a

593
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: time or something like that. And so they had a

594
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: big They brought all the evidence in and all it

595
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: was all available to the public, like what's selling, who's buying?

596
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: What?

597
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: How many books are people selling?

598
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Speaker 2: Right?

599
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: And what they found was like ninety percent of the

600
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: books out there don't sell more than two thousand copies. Okay,

601
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: so if you make five bucks a copy, then you

602
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: made ten thousand dollars. If you ate ten thousand dollars

603
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: and you paid me to edit your book, you probably

604
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: paid me two thousand and three thousand dollars, depending on

605
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: how many times you want me to edit it. If

606
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: you paid a copy editor, you paid ninety three thousand dollars.

607
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: If you got some book art, you know you got it,

608
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: paid three or four hundred dollars for that. If you

609
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: got some of the format, your book you paid, and

610
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: then all that goes up, and then was the ten

611
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: dollars you made fifty bucks you made fifteen hundred bucks. Right,

612
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of exceptions which is taxed. Yep,

613
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of exceptions obviously. I mean Tim Kennedy

614
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: Scars and Stripes, pretty well written book about Tim Kennedy,

615
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: had a big following. That's the thing right now. Right

616
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: writers like I'm going to write a gret book, people

617
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: are gonna red it. They're gonna love having to make

618
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: a lot of money. You almost have to be in

619
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: social media nowadays. You almost I mean you have to

620
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: kind of bring a following with you to the publisher

621
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: if you want to do that. If you want to

622
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: self publish, you can do it that way too. But

623
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: you know that if you look at if you think

624
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: about what publishers are doing for your marketing, they have

625
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: a small marketing unit. They're going to push your book

626
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: for that first month because that's when you're gonna get

627
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: most your sales. Push that book for the first month,

628
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: But then they got to move on to the next

629
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: book or the next book, right, and so there they're

630
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: after that first month, you're kind of it you're going

631
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: to be going on podcasts, you're going to be doing

632
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: book signings. But it's all your money. You're gonna fly

633
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: there and get a hotel and book sign You're gonna

634
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: call the podcast. You're going to call rad and go, hey, man,

635
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: can I write a book? And that's the way you're

636
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: going to do it. If if you if you don't

637
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: go with a publisher. So publishers take like eighty five

638
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: percent of your profit. Right, I don't know if everyone

639
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: knows that, but that's a lot, right. But they're going

640
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: to do the editing, they're going to do the the art,

641
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: they're going to do the title. They're also going to

642
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: take final say on the title and the cover art

643
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. They're also going to and then, uh,

644
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Speaker 3: they got to do a timeout. You's frozen, I think, yeah,

645
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Speaker 3: there you are.

646
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: Oh no I'm still here. No, I'm just listening. Yes,

647
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm still listening. No, no time out. I'm just like

648
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: I am right, I am your student right now, so

649
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: as my listener.

650
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: So you know, so where was I Man, damn it.

651
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, there's no time now. So what

652
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: you're saying is that eighty five percent of profit.

653
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: So the publishing a publisher you've got usually you have

654
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: to have an agent. It's a good idea to have

655
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: an agent. It's just going to take fifteen percent of

656
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: your profit all right around, you know, depending on the contract.

657
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: But that's average. Then if they find a publisher, the

658
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: Big five, the Big four, now whatever, they're going to

659
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: take eighty five percent of your profit, and your agent

660
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: is going to get fifteen percent of that fifteen percent.

661
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: So now you're getting like whatever, thirteen percent, and the

662
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: publishing company is going to work on your cover for you,

663
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: work on a little bit of a marketing thing going on.

664
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: They're going to do the formatting, and they're going to

665
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: get it into all the different you know, the hardbacks,

666
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: soft back, you know, and paper or ebook and stuff

667
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: like that. They're going to do a lot of that

668
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: stuff for you. But their marketing is just a small

669
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: window and it's you and you can bring whatever you

670
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: bring the table. They're going to use that. They're like,

671
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: thanks God, you brought all this to table. You'll read

672
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: about people that they paid one point five million dollars

673
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: to Colleen Hoover for her book, probably more than that,

674
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: because Colleen Hoover is the most probably the best selling

675
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: romance author ever. She last year, she had like five

676
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: books on the best seller list for like a year.

677
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: She's like raking in the dough, right, but she brings.

678
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: She is the TikTok queen, that's what they call her.

679
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: And she she started as a self published author. She's

680
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: selling TikTok and and so when she goes to the

681
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: table her she does her own marketing. I mean they

682
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: spend a little bit. They paid her whatever, a couple

683
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: million dollars for the book, and then they spend like

684
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: maybe twenty thousand dollars for some marketing or whatever. But

685
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: she's a TikTok. She's got all these followers and she's

686
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: selling the book, and they're just helping her with all

687
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: the other stuff because she can't be bothered with it.

688
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: And she probably gets a lot better than in eighty

689
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: five because they know they're going to make millions of

690
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: dollars from her. So they're like, how about you guys

691
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: take twenty. I don't know what the deal is, right,

692
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't have no idea what these big guys go.

693
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: But if they've got guaranteed millions of dollars selling their books,

694
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: you know, I'll take twenty percent of that, So I'm

695
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: sure they went too.

696
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, seriously, But then when you start thinking

697
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: about twenty percent, you're like, let me think about that

698
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: for a second. Let's go with fifty percent, right. You know,

699
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're that person and you're busting out

700
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: and hustling and they've got top five spots in the

701
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: top ten categories of the best seller of New York

702
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Times and she's going out.

703
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: We'll take twenty percent to twenty million any day, right.

704
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: So any day? Yeah? I mean seriously, right.

705
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing going back to ninety percent of

706
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: the books sell like two thousand, not you know, only

707
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: two thousand in the life of their book. Now I

708
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: think that, I mean, I'm pretty sure that represents published

709
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: books by publishers, not self published books. Right, So if

710
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: you look at self published books, there's there's this thing

711
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: called twenty Books to fifty k. It's a Facebook group. Awesome,

712
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: very generous with knowledge. Everyone in there wants to just

713
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: help everyone else get better, be better as authors and

714
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: do their books. I can't remember the man who started it.

715
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: He sold it since its inception, but he it started

716
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 3: only like seven or eight years ago. Started small basically

717
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: using all these forums for writers. Hey, how do you

718
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: write better? Blah blah blah. He's like, hey, let's talk

719
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: about find it. How do we mark books better? Is like,

720
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: you're not an artist, you know, write your book. They'll come.

721
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: And he's like, I don't think that's true. I think

722
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: if we market it, they'll definitely come. And they're like,

723
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: and they kind of I'm probably making light of the

724
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 3: whole thing. But basically, the way I understand the situation

725
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: is they're like, you know, you're not an artist. You know,

726
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: we don't want to talk about the marketing. So he

727
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: made his own group, twenty Books to fifty K. The

728
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: reason it was called twenty Books to fifty k was

729
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: the idea is you sell twenty books, you market it correctly,

730
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: so you're selling eight or ten books, you know a

731
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: day from each of the twenty, you'll make about fifty

732
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: k a year, which is a Liverpool wage eight years ago. Right,

733
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: So now it should be twenty books to eighty k

734
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: or something. But books sell for more too, right. So

735
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: that was the concept and he started, you know, everyone

736
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: started joining. He's got I don't know how many people.

737
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: How many people are on his Facebook group now, but

738
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: he has these big vague one week Vegas seminars with

739
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: you know, all the publishers are coming and everyone trying

740
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: to help the the self published people get self published

741
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: with various different new gizmos and apps and and uh

742
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: platforms and things like that, and that they had one

743
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: here in Sevilla where I live. I live in Sevia,

744
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: Spain right now, and they had one here in Spain

745
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: like a couple of months ago, and I went to

746
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: that one too. But but you know, that is so

747
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: even if you're if you're so, if you're published traditionally,

748
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: you're you're giving you know, eighty five eighty seven percent

749
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: of your stuff away to your agent, your publisher, if

750
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: you're if you're publishing yourself publishing and you're doing it,

751
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: you know, even if you're not doing successfully, if you're

752
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: doing it, you're making Like so, Amazon's going to take

753
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: thirty percent of your ebook, They're going to take forty

754
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: percent of your paperback. They're going to take forty or

755
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: fifty percent of your audible book. And that doesn't count

756
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: include all the money you put into it with the

757
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: editors and that artist for your cover and things like that.

758
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: Now there's something that So that was the way three

759
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: or four years ago. That was that was what you

760
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: self published. You're still giving away thirty forty percent, but

761
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: that's twice as much as you were making from them.

762
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: So if you've got your own following and you're building

763
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: it because you've got social media and TikTok and Instagram

764
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: and your web page, and you get a newsletter out

765
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: which has got your you know, your name list and

766
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and you start building this slowly over

767
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: four or five years, getting your twenty books out there

768
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: and building this list of people who enjoy your work,

769
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: then then you can ideally make a wage, a livable

770
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: wage as an author. And some people are making hundreds

771
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars as they never published through traditional

772
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: publishing because they make so much more money doing it themselves,

773
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: and they've built their own little author empire. Romance, you know,

774
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: there's one, this one lady has books based on Plin

775
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: Eastwood movies with cyborgs and they're romances and she's making

776
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: a lot of money doing that. And then there's one

777
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: that has romances with different aliens and each book starts

778
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: with a different letter, and that's her deal. And she's

779
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: written twenty six of them or whatever, so you know,

780
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: there are these things out there that people are doing.

781
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: And then the Jack Reacher guy. You know, he was

782
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: a lawyer and he wanted to be a writer and

783
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: he wrote The Jack Reacher and it's a pretty good

784
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: book series and gets kind of repetitive in my opinion

785
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: after a while. But you know, they got a TV series,

786
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: they got movies with Tom Cruise in it. It did

787
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: really well, even though even though rad he's an English

788
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: author and he really kind of messed up the character

789
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: in my opinion, but no one seems to mind. Military

790
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: people read it kind of upset, you know that he

791
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: is who he is. But but I remember reading an

792
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: article he's like, yeah, so I made him. You know,

793
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: I made an MP because MP's have to arrest Green

794
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: Berets and Delta Force and Rangers and seals, so they

795
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: have to be batter than them. They have to be

796
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: stronger and better shots, and they have to be able

797
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: to take them. And I was like, what the hell

798
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: is he talking about? So take us because they get

799
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: us when we're drunk and there's like.

800
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: Five of them, but and they handcuff you.

801
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: Jack Creature was like a sniper you know, he won

802
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: a sniper competition and the army and and he and

803
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: he's also he's also like six foot eight or whatever.

804
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: He is two and fifty pounds. Yeah, yeah, he's just huge.

805
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: But but yeah, and then I saw another article where

806
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: he said, also, the reason he travels around and buys

807
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: new clothes every three days is because he was an officer.

808
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: So the enlisted guys washed his clothes and shined his boots,

809
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: so he didn't do any of that stuff. So he

810
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 3: just got used to it. So when he started traveling around,

811
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: that's why he bought new clothes everywhere he went. I

812
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: was like, because Army.

813
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: His personal purchasing. You know, he's got to buy that

814
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: that body armor that they won't issue him.

815
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 3: And he did traditional publishing in Britain, and I don't

816
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: know what the cut there is, but it's pretty similar,

817
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: I imagine. But so so self publishing is kind of

818
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: and now the big thing. So five years ago was

819
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: like selling Amazon, and now it's sell wide, sell on

820
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Ingram Spark, so you can get your books. You know,

821
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: who speaks English? I mean, I think who's the biggest

822
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: country that speaks English?

823
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: The US?

824
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: India?

825
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what the biggest country, like my population population. Yeah, oh, okay, okay,

826
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: I'll just thinking battle. Yeah, I know, I know.

827
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, I apologize for badly phrasing that you got. Seventy

828
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: percent of the books in the world are read in English,

829
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: and that's just because we produce more English books than

830
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: anything else. But India is the largest population that speaks

831
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 3: and reads English. In fact, I just got a client

832
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: the other day. She's working on a cookbook, a travel

833
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: cook healthy cookbook. She's from India. She wanted to know

834
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: how she could get a get her readers from from

835
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: America and how she could publish there. But but and

836
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: then you got Britain and got Australia and New Zealand,

837
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: So how do you get your books there? They can't.

838
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: There is some Amazon there, but there's also different like

839
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: Kindle type things and all these different countries and they're

840
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: not always Kindle, And like seventy percent of the books

841
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: the United States are read off Amazon, but that's not

842
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: true every other country. And also ingram Spark will help

843
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: you get your books into bookstores in those other countries,

844
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: so you can get them into like a British bookstore

845
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: or an Australian bookstore. And then you got draft to digital,

846
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: which will help you get your epub books across you know,

847
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: across the different countries and also into libraries where libraries

848
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 3: will buy your books. So you go wider than just Amazon.

849
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: You think a little bit outside the box.

850
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: And then the next we have book clubs here on

851
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: our own site. You know that we're trying to expand

852
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: people's libraries. You know, so software has a book club. Yeah,

853
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: books can follow it. I mean, it's just really like

854
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: you said, it's a broad you're trying just to like

855
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: splatter it yep.

856
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Yep, and you just want to make it available wherever

857
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 3: people would might make interested in. Journey is a bit

858
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: like getting it translated. Like hey, you got an ebook,

859
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: you got you got a hardback, and you got an audible.

860
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: There's some people that only listen to books nowadays. There's

861
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 3: some people that only read on their kindle. So that's

862
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 3: three types of that's three books. If you wrote one book,

863
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: he wrote three books translated into Germany, which is the

864
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: next biggest language that's got readers now. And you got

865
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: four books, and you got three of those. You got

866
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: the hardback, epub and audible in German, and you paid.

867
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: For different cover books. Yeah. Yeah, my buddy Brandon that

868
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: runs software author same thing. You know, he's gone down

869
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: that social media has that it's always pushing out, you know,

870
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: his Steel Fear, Cold Fear books, his novels, his new

871
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: one coming out, Blind Fear. He's always pushing those out there.

872
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: He's also in Spain living there like you you know,

873
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: and he is hustling. Dude, He's putting it out there.

874
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, He's like, check out the books and I

875
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: was blessed fortunate. I don't know how you want to

876
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: put it. To do the audit, to be the character.

877
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm the voice of all of his books, and so

878
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: of Chief Finn, this navy seal that goes all around

879
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: the world and gets into all these different circumstances and

880
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: so that he gets out of or gets into whatever.

881
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that is another book. And there's

882
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: audible out there, right, and so some people, I mean, dude,

883
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: what if you can't, like, what if you're blind and

884
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: you want to listen to the book. That's another reach

885
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: to that whole market of people who would like to listen,

886
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, to your book.

887
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: It's growing every day, but like forty percent of people

888
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: are listening, are listening to their books now more than anything.

889
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: And then the on top of that, we got the

890
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: next step, which is you the author, distribute your books,

891
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: so you make the you get the audible version, the

892
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: audio version, the audible audio. You get it done either

893
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: you hire someone to do it for you, or you

894
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: do it yourself and you put it on your web

895
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: page so they can just download it onto their phone

896
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: or device and you get all the profit. No one

897
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: else you just you can just do it there. You

898
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: can shopify on your website. You sell it and then

899
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: they download it, and you're making the whole profit. You're

900
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: not selling, you're not giving sixty percent to anyone. And

901
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: then you also can do the e book same way

902
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: they can do the ebooks book funnel. They'll take ten percent,

903
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: but they manage it all so they can distribute it.

904
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: Like if you want Apple book or Kindle or Barnes

905
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: and Noble, whatever the Bots and Noble book is, you

906
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: can distribute it that way and they'll have all the

907
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: formats for you. And then so they'll they'll manage all

908
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: that and also manage the purchases and you just pay

909
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: ten percent, so now you're getting ninety percent of your profit.

910
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: And then the same thing with Now they got this

911
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: thing called book Fault and it's only in the US

912
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: and the UK right now, but book fault will basically

913
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: print on demand your books and they do really good,

914
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: you know, just like Amazon, good quality books, good quality

915
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: cover everything. You give them all the stuff, print on

916
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 3: demand your books, send it wherever, and they take ten

917
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: percent of your profit. And they do they manage all

918
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: that just like Amazon would, but they don't take thirty percent.

919
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: They take ten percent. So now this goes to say

920
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: that you can't not put it on Amazon because seventy

921
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: percent of the people are buying their stuff from Amazon.

922
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: But you make it available on Amazon, but you sell

923
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: it in other places and you direct everyone to your website.

924
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: You and you explain to them, like I'm an author.

925
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: If you buy it on Amazon, which is fine, it's

926
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: available on Amazon, I lose twenty percent of my profits.

927
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: You know, if you would don't mind waiting a couple

928
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: of days for it, or if you want to buy

929
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: my ebook on my audio here, my audiobook here, I'll

930
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: make more of the profit, which will give me more

931
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: money to you know, invest in time to make more

932
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: books for you and so you kind of try to

933
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: explain that in the back of your book and on

934
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: your website, and you direct all your social media to

935
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: your webpite so you're you're doing direct distribution to your.

936
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Readers, right, And that makes total sense because you're going

937
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: to make the majority of the money. But you still

938
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: need to be kind of splattered out there with you know,

939
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: the Amazon and the Barns and Nobles, and if you

940
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: can get on those sites to upload your stuff, just

941
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: know they have that fee, but also know that you're

942
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: also getting kind of a machine to help market you.

943
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: And whether or not they buy on Amazon or they

944
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: get directed back to your shop, it's okay to be

945
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: on there. I guess what I'm trying to say is

946
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: it's best to be a little bit of everywhere, you know,

947
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: just to get your name out there, but hopefully redirects

948
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: them back to their site or come buy it from

949
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: you know, rad at Rad's website or software dot com

950
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: if you will. You know, and Brandon does that. Actually

951
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: he says you can come buy his book at his website,

952
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: you can get his audible at his website, or you

953
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: can get them on the regular people have memberships to Audible,

954
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: so he's obviously going to be on there because they

955
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: already have a membership.

956
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, no, I mean just this, but these are

957
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: all take time away from writing, right, So a lot

958
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: of book and a lot of authors like I don't

959
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: be involving that stuff. I was like, all right, you

960
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: don't have to be involved that stuff. But here you go.

961
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Publishers are not guaranteed publishers. Some people, as you know,

962
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: you can read all the famous authors Stephen King and

963
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: and JK. Rowling. You know how long did it take

964
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: them to find their first publisher, even their first agents.

965
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're you know, sending stuff out query letters. Sometimes

966
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: they get them back, sometimes they don't get anything back,

967
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: and they're just trying to find someone to represent them

968
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: to go to a publisher, and they it just takes

969
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: that much time when you could have your book out

970
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 3: there in a month and be making money. And really

971
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: the marketing's kind of come for you. Most of the

972
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: marketing is going to come for you anyway, So it's

973
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 3: just the other way. Like, now here's the difference though,

974
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: If you go to a publisher, got a better chance

975
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: to getting a bookstore, got a better chance of being

976
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: in the airport. I don't know how many people are

977
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: going to bookstores and airports to buy their books nowadays.

978
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: I buy almost all my books on Kindle nowadays. But

979
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: the thing is that that's a that's something like if

980
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: that was your dream, So you walk in Barnes and

981
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: Noble and say, there's my book, and that walk into

982
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: what an airport like I remember Scott Man taking me

983
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: a taking a picture when he walked by his book

984
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: in an airport. He's like, that's my book. If that's

985
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: something you really want to do, you need to go

986
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: towards the publishing route because it's hard. Now it's getting easier.

987
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 3: Like there's a Barnes and Noble section. It's like, hey,

988
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: top rated TikTok books self published and they got the

989
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: books there.

990
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

991
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: But there's only a section of that, and then the

992
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: rest of the book is normally published books. So that's

993
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: definitely something that will affect whether you actually think if

994
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: people are going in a bookstore, whether they're going to

995
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: find your book or not. And that's why you have

996
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: to use social media to make them aware of it.

997
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: And that's where you see these authors, these high profile

998
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: names that I'm following that I'm in the world with

999
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: and they're signing books at the airport and like, hey,

1000
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: check it out my latest book, you know, Sunset Night,

1001
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: signed by me right here, the author. I've got three

1002
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: of them at this airport, so if you come by

1003
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: the terminal, make sure you buy them. And his social

1004
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: media is showing I've got three books at this airport

1005
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: that are signed by me, and so people will hope.

1006
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: Probably the person I'm thinking of. He's very popular in

1007
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: the culture of writing books right now, especially he's got

1008
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: TV series going on and everything. But you know, he

1009
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: sees his poster in the airport, takes a picture of it.

1010
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: Look it, I'm in the airport, you know, or whatever

1011
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: the case is. You know, he's just driving sales. He's

1012
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: still driving you to the book by going there and

1013
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: signing it. You're still going into the airport bookstore now

1014
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: and buying that or the Barnes and Noble. A friend

1015
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: of mine wrote a book called Border Wars. He's a

1016
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: former boor Star agent and he's doing that. He's at

1017
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Barns Noble. He's like, check it out, signing it. Rocko

1018
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: Vincent Vargas, come get my book at Barnes and Noble

1019
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: and go get his book, by the way, Borderline or

1020
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: border Wars at Barnes and Noble. Vincent Vargas go get that.

1021
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give him a simple plug right now, since

1022
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about authors. Yeah, but you know, yeah, you

1023
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: got to kind of be everywhere and dynamic and outside

1024
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: the box thinking. You know, you do need all these

1025
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: social media platforms going, and you do need to be

1026
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: engaging with your followers, and you need to reply and

1027
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: say hey, thanks, or even a little heart liking their

1028
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: comment goes so far to the people following you like,

1029
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you just paid attention to me out

1030
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: of all these other people. Well, you made a comment.

1031
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: So maybe you make a promise to yourself that if

1032
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: someone makes a comment on a post, you'll like it.

1033
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: Or you know, you don't have to comment, you just

1034
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: like it. Just go in and be active with your

1035
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: social media so you keep your following. So if you

1036
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: do write your book, you can just point them right

1037
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: to your book and they'll share your book, and then

1038
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: they'll share your book, and it's the whole domino effect

1039
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: of sharing in social media. It's getting that fyp hashtag

1040
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: four year page, you know, popping up. It's like oh,

1041
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: someone hit me up rad You just keep popping up

1042
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: on my TikTok all the time, and I'm like, well,

1043
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: you must like forty six year old bearded men.

1044
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: You know, It's just it's hard to be just like

1045
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: you said. Like I said earlier, writers just want to

1046
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: be writers, and they don't. Some of them, like especially

1047
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: the older ones, are like, I don't want to deal

1048
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: with the social media stuff. And in fact, there's one

1049
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: of the the Colleen Hoover what I was talking about.

1050
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: She's made millions millions with their books. Like she's hat.

1051
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: She wrote two books a year for the last ten

1052
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: years or something like that, and they're all multi million bestsellers.

1053
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: She hasn't written a book in almost two years. She

1054
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 3: lives on a ranch, Texas, and they did an interview

1055
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: with her and she's like, sometimes I feel bad because

1056
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: I have all these people that love my books, and

1057
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm letting them down. However, in the

1058
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: last couple of years, the social media, the the evil

1059
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: social media, it just it just hurts you. It just hammers. Yet,

1060
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 3: you know, you write a book, you're proud of the book,

1061
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: You spend time, energy, your your your soul in this

1062
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 3: book and you have and I know, I have probably

1063
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: more people that love this book than don't. But then

1064
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: there's those just those people that come on and just

1065
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: jab you and jab you, and it hurts and I

1066
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: don't even want to I don't want to deal with that.

1067
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't want my kids to deal with it, you know.

1068
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: And so it's it's a tough balance, you know, for her,

1069
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: it was a PTSD moment. But every writer's got to

1070
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: have this balance. And you don't have to be on

1071
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: every freaking social media. You know, maybe you master one,

1072
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, Instagram or kickback or whatever you're going to master, right,

1073
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: but you just got to you got to have a

1074
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: little bit of tough skin because you're definitely going to

1075
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: have people that just don't don't appreciate what you're doing,

1076
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: or just don't like one thing you did in there

1077
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: that's you know, is a taboo thing and things like that.

1078
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: The biggest problem I see is that they shoot. I

1079
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: forgot I was gonna say, but you were going to

1080
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: say something I saw it.

1081
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I was I was just thinking,

1082
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, I was agreeing with you mentally that you know,

1083
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: if if people are going to be out there and

1084
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: they're just focusing on their lane, if it's Instagram or

1085
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: if it's TikTok, and I was just like agreeing, like,

1086
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, there are people who do really well

1087
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: in just one medium, and they can and they have

1088
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 2: like one hundred two hundred, three hundred thousand followers fifty

1089
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: thousand followers on that one avenue, and it's it's doing great, right.

1090
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about it. Sometimes people tell you,

1091
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 2: don't put all your eggs in one basket, and I'm like, well,

1092
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: I kind of do put all my eggs in one basket.

1093
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: I just set up clay Wars around it and Overwatch

1094
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: around that, and then I got snipers up in here

1095
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: and they're all watching the basket.

1096
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. The you know, that's that's the thing about going wide, right,

1097
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: when you go to ingram Spark and you get your

1098
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: book everywhere else and your your inga Spark also put

1099
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: it on Apple Books for you and Barnes and Noble

1100
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: dot Com and all these other avenues where people are

1101
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: reading like ten or fifteen percent people just reading on

1102
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: Apple Books, you know, and not reading on Kindle. The

1103
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: problem with Amazon is there's been authors who've had problems

1104
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 3: where someone stole their book and said it was my book.

1105
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: It's my book. Key copied my book. And then you

1106
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: have to prove to Amazon that you wrote a book,

1107
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: especially if you're an independent author. You know, you didn't

1108
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 3: go through a publisher, right, And that takes months year

1109
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's taking years, you know, and your book's not

1110
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: making any money while it's doing that, and so you

1111
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: have to move that book somewhere. If if it wasn't

1112
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: anywhere else, no one's reading it, if it's just on kid,

1113
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 3: if you just go Kindle, right, And the other the

1114
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: other thing is the article I said you have to keep.

1115
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: You're familiar with Kindle Unlimited.

1116
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where you can just get everything on it.

1117
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's not everything, but certain people authors can

1118
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: choose to put it on Kindle Unlimited. They get paid

1119
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 3: by the number of pages you read, and so usually

1120
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: it's less than what if you if you sold it

1121
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 3: for ten bucks, you probably get a lot less money.

1122
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: But but the thing is, the book publishers don't normally

1123
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: put their published books on Kindle Unlimited. They'll they because

1124
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: if they did that, then basically Amazon would become Netflix

1125
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 3: for books and you'd pay one fee and you'd read

1126
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: everything and everyone.

1127
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: Would get a lot less money.

1128
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: So they like keeping that away from from Amazon because

1129
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: then that would give them too much power.

1130
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: So okay, let's say this. Let's okay, look, okay, if

1131
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: you are someone who's written a book and you're like,

1132
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: just I got to get it out there, you know,

1133
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: no one's picking me up. I've talked to authors who

1134
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: took like two to four years to get someone to

1135
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: finally like take a look at their manuscripts that they

1136
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: were sending out to people, right if they get rejected, rejected, rejected, rejected,

1137
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: Finally someone took them, read it, said we'll take it.

1138
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of a hard thing. But somebody

1139
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: has access to uploading it to you know, their own

1140
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: website or their own Amazon account and get it listed. A.

1141
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: Do you need a UPC code for Amazon if you're

1142
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: having your own book? Is that how you have to

1143
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: upload it with a UPC because it has to have

1144
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: a barcode? And then b does a publicist or a

1145
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: publisher want to see you already uploading your book without

1146
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: them involved? Would they rather upload the book and do

1147
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: all of that first? So I guess my question is

1148
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: if you're an independent artist author and you're writing your

1149
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: own book. Do you take the risk to throw it

1150
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: out there and promote it yourself or do you take

1151
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: the risk to sit on it and try to hatch

1152
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: it to a publicist and a publisher.

1153
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: So you're coming in a little broken. But what I

1154
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: what I understood is like, what are the dangers of

1155
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: you publishing by yourself? Kind of things? And you need

1156
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: an ISBN number. You can purchase ISBN numbers online. You

1157
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: can just search for ISPN. You can buy for I

1158
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: don't know. They're not too cheap, but they're not too expensive,

1159
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: and you can buy them in packets too. If you

1160
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: find out you're gonna buy ten books, you buy ten

1161
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: at a time and get a discount. There's one company

1162
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: that sells them. It's very shady in my opinion, but

1163
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: they sell these i SPNs, and you have to buy

1164
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: a different i SPN for your printed books, your ebooks,

1165
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: and your UH and your audiobooks and also UH if

1166
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: you print on Amazon, Amazon will give you an Amazon

1167
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: can is BN number that that that'll supposed to be

1168
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: that'll that will represent it. You can also register a

1169
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: copyright if you want. I don't know how many people

1170
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: are doing that. I don't. I don't know. I don't

1171
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: know a whole lot about the copyright thing. So I

1172
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: don't want to tell any bad information here. But you

1173
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: can get all that information. You can register the copy

1174
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: the copyright. I have authors do that. You can do

1175
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: it by email, I think, and you have to wait

1176
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. The you know, the thing about

1177
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 3: the books is it's not necessarily that you won't ever

1178
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: be able to prove that the books yours. It's one

1179
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: says they said that you stole their book and stuff

1180
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: like that. It's whether Amazon has the personnel to dedicate

1181
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: time to your problem, because they have a lot of

1182
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: these and they also have other problems. So you're in,

1183
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: You're next in line. You're like in the VA telephone roster.

1184
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: You're going to call you to finish, right, So so

1185
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want talk about about VA, but

1186
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: sometimes VA takes a long time. So so basically you

1187
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: you're just in communication by email a lot of times

1188
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: with somebody saying what's going on? What can I do?

1189
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: What do you need? And not nothing's progressing. And I

1190
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: haven't had this experience with any of my authors yet, fortunately,

1191
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: but I've read about them in different Facebook groups and

1192
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: it's twenty books to fifty k Facebook group and some

1193
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: other things. So I know it's out there. I just

1194
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: don't know how prevailing is it is, and and i've

1195
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: but it's been it's been like the lesson learned by

1196
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: everyone was don't just have everything here. Now. The problem

1197
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 3: is your ebook if it's on Kindle Limited, can't be

1198
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: anywhere else, but you you're written books, your paperback and

1199
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: heartback can and then as long as you're in Kindle Limited,

1200
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: you can't have an ebook anywhere else. That's part of

1201
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: the contract you sign with them, and you have to

1202
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: do a minimum of ninety days, so you just have

1203
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: to keep that in mind.

1204
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: No, those are the little hurdles that are out there

1205
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: that you can provide if people reach out to you.

1206
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: And your website is military editor dot com. Correct, Yeah,

1207
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: and you're you're here for people to be reached out to.

1208
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: This is what you want. You want folks to hit

1209
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: you up and get involved and engage you in conversation

1210
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: and talk to you about you know, their ideas or

1211
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: their book and like you said, you'll look at it.

1212
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, you'll give them your best and you like

1213
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: working with veterans. Like you said, fifty percent of the

1214
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: people you work with are kind of veterans.

1215
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: Right, So so yeah, Military editor dot com is my

1216
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: is my web page. I basically I also give like

1217
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: especially to veterans. You know, if you write me like

1218
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: has don't know where to go next, I got a

1219
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: great idea. It's hard. I mean, the most important thing

1220
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: I can tell you is write a first draft. And

1221
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: I know it's old advice, but as an editor, until

1222
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: I see your first draft, I can't help you fix it.

1223
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: As a book coach, if you haven't written anything, if

1224
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: you're in half of it, you need to finish it

1225
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: because and we'll change it. Just accept that it'll be changed.

1226
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: But at least you've got it finished and we can

1227
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: move stuff around and add things to it, and we

1228
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: know what we need. If you got an idea, I

1229
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: can help you outline it, and I can walk you

1230
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: through writing each chapter if you want. And then some

1231
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: people like that. Some people want the accountability. They show

1232
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: up every week they write a chapter. I look at

1233
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: the chapter, I got some notes, we have a conversation

1234
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: about it, and we move on to the next chapter.

1235
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: It's not for people that don't have a lot of

1236
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: money though. People. If people are paying me a lot

1237
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: of money to meet with me and give me the

1238
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: chapters every week, that's that's someone that's either a really

1239
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: good friend or a really expensive book coach.

1240
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: And I would tell you, I want to ask this question.

1241
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: What if I was just more of a softer person

1242
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: and I wanted to write maybe a picture book with

1243
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: a few words on it for like a children's series,

1244
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, just like you know, see Sam, And is

1245
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: that something that you would also say, Hey, this seems

1246
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: like a good idea. It's got twelve pages, but it's

1247
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: right to the point of how to go potty.

1248
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: So you're coming in and out, so children's.

1249
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: Oh am, I coming in and out? Am? I is

1250
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: this better? Right now? Do you got me right now? Yeah?

1251
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm talking about is if somebody wants

1252
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: to write a children's book, like with just like twelve

1253
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: or fifteen pages, is that something that you'll help look

1254
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: at as well, not so intense like a you know,

1255
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: Jack Carr novel.

1256
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not I don't specialize in that. There's

1257
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: people that specialize in children's books, and I think there's

1258
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: a there's an art to that that I am have

1259
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: never been, have never searched, searched for or learned or

1260
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: so I would not, but I have peers that do that.

1261
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: So if someone came to me with that, I listened

1262
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: to what they have to say, and then I'd recommend

1263
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: it one of my peers. And also, I mean, I'll

1264
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: just start with that. Uh you know, I'll listen. I'll

1265
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: listen to anyone for thirty minutes. You know, you can

1266
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: sign up on my web page right in there what

1267
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: your deal is, and then I'll send you, like maybe

1268
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: a questionnaire. We'll get on for thirty minutes and I'm like,

1269
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: all right, this is what this is what I think

1270
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: you should do or you know, and and if you

1271
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: if you don't want to work with me, if you

1272
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: want to work with a woman, I have peers that

1273
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: are a woman. If you want to work with a

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Speaker 3: non military person, because you don't want that, because I

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Speaker 3: give military flavored everything. That's why I work with both evets.

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Speaker 3: But I work with a lot of civilians as well.

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Speaker 3: Uh and uh so so that that's that's fine. If

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Speaker 3: you're a guy a girl getting out of the military,

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm working with four interns right now, with the skill

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Speaker 3: Bridge program. Just go to go to your soldier for

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01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 3: life horses, say hey, I want to get in the

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Speaker 3: skill Bridge and I'm on the skill Bridge list. As

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: my company is called the Story Ninja. And so you

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01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: find this, you'll find me. There's the Story Ninja and

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: you can write me. That's right, and you can write

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Speaker 3: me and I'll shop your story up and then you know,

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01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: we can start in an internship, whether it's a writer

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: or if you want to be an editor, like if

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Speaker 3: you like, if you did twenty years in the army

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Speaker 3: like I did, I did thirty two, and you said,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to work for the man anymore. I

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01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: work for myself. How do I start an editing business?

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Speaker 3: I will show you my journey and share with you

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Speaker 3: everything I know. And I still have guys that I mentored,

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: Guys and gals I mentored two or three years ago

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: that still hit me up. They did the three months

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Speaker 3: with me, and they still go, hey, I just got

1298
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: this client. This is my problem. What do I do?

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01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: And then we'll get on a call and I'll talk

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Speaker 3: through it. But I have no problem doing that with

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Speaker 3: any of those guys.

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Speaker 2: I think this is one of my best conversations I've

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01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: had in a very very very long time, and right

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01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: to the point of how to write. I get hit

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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: up all the time. And I'm so glad you brought

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: this skill and this mindset to the show today. And

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01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for Jim introducing me to you as well

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: so that we could have this conversation. And I want

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Speaker 2: to thank you for taking your time over in Spain,

1310
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: which I don't even know what time it is there

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01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: right now. It's probably seven hours ahead or something along

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01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: those lines, and so thank you from the future or

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: from the past. I'm the past, right, you're the future.

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Speaker 3: No, but you know it was. It was. Yeah. I'm

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01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: glad Jim hooked us up because I want to. I've

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01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 3: always tried to figure out how I'm going to talk

1317
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 3: to Vets and get him to join my internship. Even

1318
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: if you're not getting out and you just like whatever

1319
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: you're doing right now is not cutting it, and you

1320
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: want and you think you want to be a writer,

1321
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: give me a you know, give me a shout and

1322
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you about it. If you want to

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01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: be an editor and you want to learn. I've helped

1324
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: other guys, mostly yesf guys that I know they're like,

1325
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: what are you doing. I don't want to do this

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 3: contract and stuff anymore. I want to be away from

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: my family. It's like, well, I work from home. I

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: work as much a little as I want. If I

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: want to go on, you know, if I want to

1330
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: go drive to Greece for two months, then I'll I'll

1331
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: work up to that point, take two months off, and

1332
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: or maybe I'll work in Greece if my wife will.

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Speaker 2: Let me, right right, she'll let you. She will bring

1334
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: the laptop. It's okay. Wi Fi is everywhere now, that's

1335
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing almost everywhere.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, so so, and you know, I have

1337
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: no idea sharing I mean, I have no problem sharing

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Speaker 3: all my knowledge. I just want there's more than enough

1339
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: people out there who want to write a book that

1340
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: if I train another editor, I'm not taking business away

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01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 3: from myself. I never felt like that. Never feel like

1342
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: that in the army either, Like, hey, if I do

1343
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying, I'm trying to do better than this. I

1344
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 3: can get promoted. I never felt like that in the military.

1345
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: And and so I didn't want to feel like that

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01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: when I got out. And uh, and also if you

1347
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, there's more than enough people out there who

1348
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 3: want to be writers and just want to write better,

1349
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: then I'll give them a hand.

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Speaker 2: I love that. And I'm gonna give you a plug

1351
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: again for military dot com and your last name. I'm

1352
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: gonna say it right, Randy Searles, correct, right here, right here.

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: You have been a great uh brightness in my life

1354
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: and I just want to thank you for that. I

1355
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: want to thank you for being s F and being

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: of that cloth. I want to thank you for reaching

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01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: out and helping other people who may not realize they

1358
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: want the help and you're there to help them as

1359
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: a coach and as the editor and bro. I'm really,

1360
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm really so thankful to have had this interview. So

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01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: thank you very much. And I guess I'm gonna wind

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: down the show now, so listen soft rep dot com

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01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: soft Rep Radio. We have a merch store. We have

1364
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,959
Speaker 2: a book club, and it's soft rep dot com Forward

1365
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 2: slash book hyphen Club. One more shout out to Jim Johnson.

1366
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: You know where you're at, you know who you are, sir.

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01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: Thank you for the hookups and I look forward to

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01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: your feedback on this episode when it comes out. With

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Speaker 2: that said, on behalf of Randy. I want to say

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Speaker 2: peace from all of us here at Soft Revenue.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self red Radio