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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirteen. The hero dies in this one
Speaker 1: air date February eighth, two thousand and five. UM, if
Speaker 1: you if you know what this sound is, that's what
Speaker 1: it could be. That it's not. It's the sound of
Speaker 1: me pouring wine and Hillary is doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: and you just finished eating a giant glow oh nice
Speaker 1: and glolo glock. Look, okay, somebody read the synopsis? What
Speaker 1: the hell happened in this episode? Can this was a
Speaker 1: real one? UM? A personal faith because Brooke plans are
Speaker 1: presidential campaign and we meet Erica Marsh her rival Jake
Speaker 1: returns to school. Dan makes an offer to Lucas that
Speaker 1: he's obligated to fulfill while he keeps his health secrets
Speaker 1: from Karen. Done Done, and Nathan gives Haley an ultimatum
Speaker 1: after she gets the opportunity of the of a lifetime
Speaker 1: to go on tour with Chris Keller and the Wreckords. Ah,
Speaker 1: this one made me feel very emotional. Me too. We
Speaker 1: were I couldn't believe how much they packed, how much
Speaker 1: emotion they packed into it. And honestly, the first like
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, I was kind of like this kind of
Speaker 1: not much happening in this episode, like I don't really
Speaker 1: know what's going on, do I care? And then uh,
Speaker 1: and then everything just really snowballed big time lost Hillary. Guys, listen,
Speaker 1: living in the middle of nowhere, internet's a problem. So
Speaker 1: if you're voting in local elections, vote for rural broadband.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love it. Well speak speaking of elections,
Speaker 1: let's kick off with Yeah, let's get there, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. I love Broke with all her projects in
Speaker 1: this sort of season of her life with the crab
Speaker 1: Shack and running for presidents, Like we're really starting to
Speaker 1: begin to see the buds of Brooks entrepreneurial explosion that's
Speaker 1: coming later, and we're seeing Sophia in brook you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like like you brought the music
Speaker 1: in I brought I don't know, the grumpiness in and
Speaker 1: Sophia brought the advocacy, and like running for office in
Speaker 1: the Brook, it's nice when they see what we get
Speaker 1: excited about and then they filter it in. I really
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved becoming a union organized. I loved
Speaker 1: becoming a union organizer and then deciding to run for
Speaker 1: local office. I was like, this feels right. I think
Speaker 1: it was great. It was really fund. We got to
Speaker 1: meet Katherine Bayliss, who is becomes much more of a
Speaker 1: part of our show later, and I just loved seeing
Speaker 1: her because I wasn't in any of those scenes, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever saw this episode, so
Speaker 1: it was really fun for me to see her work.
Speaker 1: Isn't she so great? She's such a riot. We had
Speaker 1: such a good time doing this stuff, and and there
Speaker 1: was just something I loved, not only about you know,
Speaker 1: an understandable rivalry between two girls competing over something, and
Speaker 1: and for this character of Erica marsh the girl who's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is my thing, this is what I do. Um.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I I loved about
Speaker 1: it is that rather than turning on some shame spiral
Speaker 1: for Brooke. She she gets encouraged to just embrace who
Speaker 1: she is, and then she goes so far in that direction,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I wish like anybody taught
Speaker 1: women that when we were young, to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you made some mistakes. Doesn't everybody get over it? You're
Speaker 1: right right? This is such a This is something I
Speaker 1: definitely am trying to instill with my daughter, and my
Speaker 1: philosophy in parenting is obviously I'm not just trying to
Speaker 1: be a train wreck. But if I make mistakes or
Speaker 1: if if you know, mistakes that I have made in
Speaker 1: the past come up, I'm happy to talk about it
Speaker 1: within a framework of what she can understand for her age.
Speaker 1: But I think it's actually really important because my my
Speaker 1: parents didn't do that. I think a lot of parents
Speaker 1: don't do that. They're kind of afraid to that their
Speaker 1: kids are gonna, I don't know, see them as less
Speaker 1: than the the ideal leader, and um maybe take after
Speaker 1: them in some way, respect them less. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I got to say I've had really good luck
Speaker 1: with this because my kids turned out to be somebody
Speaker 1: that makes really smart decisions. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it's that the people around her aren't afraid to
Speaker 1: just be who they are, you know. And I love
Speaker 1: seeing brookebie who she is like this. I love it too,
Speaker 1: And and it's interesting now to look back on that
Speaker 1: as an adult and to go, wow, we didn't. We
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in an ear where people said, embrace
Speaker 1: your flaws, embrace your winds. Everything you've ever done has
Speaker 1: made you who you are. And I wonder if part
Speaker 1: of that too, You know, there's these moments right in
Speaker 1: our evolution as a society, like parents now have more
Speaker 1: information about you know, support and psychology and all the
Speaker 1: things that our parents had. And then I think about
Speaker 1: how my parents also had being immigrants, growing up the
Speaker 1: children of immigrants, where there was such a striving to
Speaker 1: prove that you earned being here, that you that you
Speaker 1: meant that you deserved to be in America, and and
Speaker 1: you know, you had to be perfect and you had
Speaker 1: to succeed and and perfectionism is like a slow killer.
Speaker 1: But I I love knowing where it came from for them,
Speaker 1: even if you know, even if you against it, even
Speaker 1: if even if I've been like I can't possibly do it,
Speaker 1: I can't. I really liked what Brookes said, they're about like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're talking to us little people. You know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of politics gets gross when there's a litism
Speaker 1: involved and living in small towns, like our mayor walks
Speaker 1: down the street. You know, That's how it wasn't Wilmington's too,
Speaker 1: Like we were all friends with the mayor and still are.
Speaker 1: You know, there's an accessibility that is very, very important,
Speaker 1: and I think that Brooke brings that to the table.
Speaker 1: And I loved the pissing match between you and Erica March.
Speaker 1: Like very rarely does Brooke Davis meet someone that's going
Speaker 1: to like outsnide her, and so that like one upmanship
Speaker 1: in that scene. It's so tight, and you guys are
Speaker 1: just like spot on with each other, and I love
Speaker 1: that for them, it's a battle over politics, it's a
Speaker 1: battle of intellect. It's it's so refreshing that we got
Speaker 1: to step out of that you know, male gaze kind
Speaker 1: of vertical that the writers loved to put us in
Speaker 1: and do other cool things. Yeah. I just thought that
Speaker 1: it was so much fun. And I like shooting those
Speaker 1: campaign posters. Oh my gosh, wait, do you have those?
Speaker 1: Do I definitely have one of them. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I have a set. I really wish I did.
Speaker 1: That's what you need to like plaster your house in.
Speaker 1: I'm sure your France would love that. They're just like
Speaker 1: dedicated to Brooke David's campaign. Yeah, just pictures of me
Speaker 1: and crop tops passed out over kegs with solo cups.
Speaker 1: But by the way, brooks a good time. That's approachable.
Speaker 1: What if we made buttons. Let's make some vote for
Speaker 1: Brooke brook for president? Do have a buttons? I still
Speaker 1: have a buttons to sell. I was just looking at
Speaker 1: the episode, like Lucas has a different button than the
Speaker 1: one Felix has, and I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: where are all of those buttons? But nobody threw those
Speaker 1: out there somewhere, somebody's got a box of them, and
Speaker 1: I want them. Hillary called it. She said, you look
Speaker 1: like you look like Daphne. You look like your mom
Speaker 1: Victoria in the in the trench, especially in the trench coat,
Speaker 1: the trench coat, and you've got the like bang that
Speaker 1: Daphne would wear on the show. You got that like
Speaker 1: that adult bang, even in the like lu Chignon that
Speaker 1: you're like, I have to pull my hair out of
Speaker 1: this dumb bun um. Yeah, you look like Daphne. And
Speaker 1: this was years before we cast Daphne, and it was
Speaker 1: just beautiful foreshadowing. You knew what you wanted a mother.
Speaker 1: I was did office to high school? Did you do
Speaker 1: that in high school? Oh? Yeah, high school, college. I
Speaker 1: had all sorts of that stuff going. It's like I
Speaker 1: was the philanthropy chair every year in college. You were
Speaker 1: you to Champaigne ever like this? Yeah, yeah, I remember. God,
Speaker 1: it's so weird. School just all sort of blends together
Speaker 1: for me. But I do remember. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was middle school or early high school. Um, a
Speaker 1: campaign season and I remember, you know, my my friend Betsy,
Speaker 1: we used to do plays together and she's still one
Speaker 1: of the girls that I'm really tight with from high school,
Speaker 1: and um, we just did everything together. And I remember
Speaker 1: like being in you know, being at home after school
Speaker 1: and cutting out things for our posters and we was
Speaker 1: so excited. Yeah, it was so fun to you know,
Speaker 1: start to formulate these ideas of how to talk about
Speaker 1: what you cared about. Um, I love I loved it.
Speaker 1: Student Government's grade. I mean I obviously still love it.
Speaker 1: It stuck with the I ran I ran for Vice
Speaker 1: Tragedy in the fifth grade, and um, I had to
Speaker 1: make posters and I had to cut We had to
Speaker 1: come up with a presentation that was that was presented
Speaker 1: before the entire elementary school. This is when I was
Speaker 1: in Texas. So we had auditorium which was also our cafeteria,
Speaker 1: and then they would turn they would turn chair the
Speaker 1: table fast. I was such a soft spot for that.
Speaker 1: I love it. Purpose that's what they call it now
Speaker 1: on h G TV. Yeah, And so I decided, being
Speaker 1: the performer that I was, that I would create a
Speaker 1: real It wasn't just a speech what I did. So
Speaker 1: I sang, I sang a song, and I did a dance.
Speaker 1: So I had a hat rack, and I had all
Speaker 1: these different hats on the hat rack and on the
Speaker 1: hat there's gotta be tape of this somewhere. On the hats,
Speaker 1: each hat had like a sign on it, you know,
Speaker 1: trash clean up and you know, less homework and all
Speaker 1: these little things that I was going to be fighting for.
Speaker 1: And um, there's a song by Amy Grant in the
Speaker 1: late nineties called hats, Why do I have to do do it?
Speaker 1: So many hats on my head? Away? Lary's crying, keeping
Speaker 1: you didn't even go with baby, Baby or like you
Speaker 1: went with an obscure beat side not one of the hits.
Speaker 1: God oh Joy, Yeah, you know, I just going under
Speaker 1: underestimated how excited everyone or overestimated how excited everyone would
Speaker 1: be about at the song that no one knows. So
Speaker 1: I did my dance and I have my bowler hat
Speaker 1: and I have my like leotard and just did the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And you know, guys, I was hopeless. I
Speaker 1: really love this. I had to take this sweater off.
Speaker 1: It's so painful. I did not win, Oh, but I
Speaker 1: had fun. I mean, if anyone in New Jersey has
Speaker 1: tape of this Meadow Creek Elementary School in Bedford, Texas,
Speaker 1: oh um, my birthday is coming up as it, so
Speaker 1: please please you know what we want? God Joy, I'm sweating,
Speaker 1: poor you. Yeah it was. It was stressful, but you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta take the risk if if nothing else. And
Speaker 1: just like just like Haley, I took the risk, you know,
Speaker 1: dumped out there and I just said, screw it, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go for it. So why not it didn't
Speaker 1: didn't work out so well for Haley thinking let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Those Chris Keller Aim conversations, there were so
Speaker 1: many of them. The print outs. The fact that Nathan
Speaker 1: printed out aim chats. Don't act like you didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I did, Eira. It's so specific. Yeah, in the timeline
Speaker 1: of human history, printing out a name chat. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: a cute dude talked to you in the night before,
Speaker 1: you had to print it out so you could prove
Speaker 1: it to your friends and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this dude was like talking to me
Speaker 1: last night. And Louie said, what does that mean? And
Speaker 1: blah blah, or if you've got a fight with somebody,
Speaker 1: even better, and you could be like and then I
Speaker 1: said this, and there's proof. You know, I still, as
Speaker 1: a grown ass woman with gray hair, have printed out
Speaker 1: a conversations in a shoe box. You bet. Jimmy Caine
Speaker 1: and I loved each other as friends, and we had
Speaker 1: a big falling out that ended up in us like
Speaker 1: actually like making up and then like making out at
Speaker 1: the end of senior year. Um, and I took that
Speaker 1: very seriously because we've been friends since we were like eleven.
Speaker 1: And I printed all of that out for me to
Speaker 1: remember forever. Yeah, those are important aim notes for dangerous though,
Speaker 1: because you never knew who was going to see them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. We didn't do that. What you didn't I
Speaker 1: don't know. I never printed. I'm in this moment. I'm
Speaker 1: experiencing deep regret. I wish I could go back and
Speaker 1: flip through. No, I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's because I went to on all girls school like that.
Speaker 1: We weren't doing that. It's not that we weren't on AIM,
Speaker 1: but we weren't like bringing them in to be like
Speaker 1: look at it. I don't care. I don't know. We
Speaker 1: were just ashole. I feel like discretion. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we were just laying. I think I just
Speaker 1: was boringly bookish or something. But you never got in
Speaker 1: trouble for an AIM conversation. No one ever was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, and I just said that on NAIM. No, no,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Well, the East Coast kids were getting into
Speaker 1: all sorts of crap. So I did. I did a
Speaker 1: lot more passive than I did. I am, and we
Speaker 1: always call it a I am, and I never heard
Speaker 1: it as AIM, so like a Dare project or something
Speaker 1: like don't you drugs? We did a lot of passing notes.
Speaker 1: I have boxes full stone of notes but we digress.
Speaker 1: The Chris Keller notes Chris Kelly Haley didn't write them.
Speaker 1: That was all Taylor. She wrote some in the beginning,
Speaker 1: it looked like they were all pretty much from Chris, though,
Speaker 1: We're like I want to kiss you and I miss
Speaker 1: you on tour. Like. I didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: Haley responses much as I saw Chris like being very aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. It was wild too, um to watch that
Speaker 1: because I remember shooting that stuff. Um, not a lot
Speaker 1: of details, but I just remember what a big deal
Speaker 1: that storyline was because Nathan and Haley were the Golden
Speaker 1: couple and it was very exciting and it was a
Speaker 1: big deal and pop culture at the time, Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley having gotten married, um, so to see to see
Speaker 1: the breakup and knowing that they were actually sending us
Speaker 1: on tour around the country, um, and not knowing what
Speaker 1: was going to happen with the show, and kind of
Speaker 1: knowing that they were trying to see if they could
Speaker 1: write me off the show and if the show would
Speaker 1: still be okay without me and the joy Did you
Speaker 1: feel that way? Oh? I knew that's exactly what was
Speaker 1: going on. But why because I I wasn't always super compliant.
Speaker 1: Like I had ideas about the scenes, I had ideas
Speaker 1: about my character. I spoke up a lot, and for
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old in that environment, I think
Speaker 1: the people that were around, Like you guys have said before,
Speaker 1: I've been in this I was in this business for
Speaker 1: a long time as a you know, I started professionally
Speaker 1: when I was twelve here, so I had built up
Speaker 1: a long experience on sets of being having all my
Speaker 1: ideas welcomed and really being heard and listened to, and
Speaker 1: even as a kid like respected, you're here for a reason,
Speaker 1: you're collaborate the table. How do you feel about this?
Speaker 1: Do you want to stand over there? Where do you
Speaker 1: want to be? Um? And so I would. I brought
Speaker 1: that mentality into my work on One Tree Hill, expecting
Speaker 1: that that's this how I was going to be greeted
Speaker 1: with the same openness, and I wasn't. But instead of
Speaker 1: laying down and being like, oh, I guess that's not
Speaker 1: what I do here, I was like, oh, screw these guys, Like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what I do here. I have ideas. And
Speaker 1: it's not that I was always right, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I wasn't always right but then it's like I don't
Speaker 1: know who I can trust, So then I would double
Speaker 1: down sometimes because I was like, well, I don't trust anybody,
Speaker 1: so I have to trust myself and then if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I didn't trust the people that were telling me I
Speaker 1: was wrong. It was anyway, Sorry, long story long as
Speaker 1: Sophia would say, um that, that's a lot of what
Speaker 1: was going through my mind as we as I got
Speaker 1: on that bus and headed out, because I knew as
Speaker 1: I was leaving, like they're trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: they can do this without me, without Hayley on the show,
Speaker 1: if they can like get me. I hate that, But
Speaker 1: I still got to go on tour, which was amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: so here's my question though, something that in all these years,
Speaker 1: I've never ever thought about. You know, I know the
Speaker 1: fan base was really excited to see you on tour,
Speaker 1: but did anyone give you about leaving Nathan? Was anybody
Speaker 1: like yelling from the crowd like you shouldn't have lived totally?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah? And back? Because because I just
Speaker 1: never put it in context, I don't think people really
Speaker 1: believed it. It's all a suspension, but there definitely were
Speaker 1: people like go back to Nathan get back together with
Speaker 1: Nathan like Chris is bad news shouting from the audience.
Speaker 1: It was fun, but it was all in ingestin good fun.
Speaker 1: You know, got good laughs and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was fun. We had a blast. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: how long were you guys out? How many dates did
Speaker 1: you guys? Do? I think we did thirty cities. It
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was a big tour. We were
Speaker 1: gone for like three months, two or three months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a long time. And then I can't quite
Speaker 1: remember because I feel like you'd go and then you'd
Speaker 1: come back and shoot, and then you'd go and you'd
Speaker 1: come back, like like the real time of the tour
Speaker 1: took longer than how long Haley was away on the show.
Speaker 1: You're right, but that's because of the way it was airing. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so we were shooting away ahead of where what was
Speaker 1: airing is happening. So yeah, it was just timing out
Speaker 1: that way. Um. But it was so sad to see
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan have this big fight and then you
Speaker 1: know she's and as you said when we were watching it,
Speaker 1: Hill ultimatums never were. Well, let's go back a little
Speaker 1: bit because I loved that we got to be kind
Speaker 1: of confidence in this episode. And I loved kind of
Speaker 1: that gentle conversation because it's really easy to vilify someone
Speaker 1: if they're doing something that you don't like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And I like the rapport the Peyton and Hayley have
Speaker 1: together where it's like, I'm not going to say anything,
Speaker 1: but this is kind of sucked up. What are we
Speaker 1: gonna do about this? That's what it feels like, what
Speaker 1: are we going to do about this? And you played
Speaker 1: it Hill in a way when you approached her in
Speaker 1: the hallway, you came to her like, hey, are you okay,
Speaker 1: not like hey, what did you do? And I remember
Speaker 1: even watching the episode saying that it was so beautiful
Speaker 1: the way you played that last line, I kiss always
Speaker 1: means something. You said it not as judgment. You said
Speaker 1: it as almost an offering, like, hey, don't kid yourself.
Speaker 1: I see you like I'm here, And it was it
Speaker 1: was generous, did it? Peyton did it with Lucas, you know,
Speaker 1: So no one's allowed to be perfect. Um, we had
Speaker 1: a good director on this episode. Let's lay that out everybody.
Speaker 1: Kevin Dowling is one of the loveliest male directors I've
Speaker 1: ever worked with. I got to work with him on
Speaker 1: White Collar after this and Extant after this, and he's
Speaker 1: a reoccurring director on The Walking Dead who randomly, my
Speaker 1: husband came home and was like, there's this director I
Speaker 1: really love, and I'm like, who you're talking about, and
Speaker 1: he's like this guy, Kevin Dowling, and I'm like, oh him,
Speaker 1: And so he has been on every show and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the scenes. We talked about how
Speaker 1: great Chad was in his scene with Moira where he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to move in with Dan and his face
Speaker 1: is saying one thing and his mouth is saying another,
Speaker 1: and and Kevin was just a really lovely actors director.
Speaker 1: It's where it's so obvious when we have those on
Speaker 1: this show. You're right. He was so perfect for this episode.
Speaker 1: Because that's one thing that really struck me at the end,
Speaker 1: was that there's again, and we've talked about this, there's
Speaker 1: no high uh genre. I think there's no nobody's a vampire. No,
Speaker 1: this is just emotional drama. But we all experienced, we
Speaker 1: all feel it, and the fact that they have built
Speaker 1: us up through that throughout this time with these characters,
Speaker 1: so that something as simple as a teenage boy's wife
Speaker 1: wanting to go on tour and pursue something else. Could
Speaker 1: you know, just break your heart and create that kind
Speaker 1: of drama. He's throwing the keyboard across the wall. But
Speaker 1: that is we needed a director who really understood the
Speaker 1: subtlety of human emotion and so much of that that
Speaker 1: could have been the opposite of subtle heaven shepherded in
Speaker 1: such a beautiful direction. Like even that scene with Nathan
Speaker 1: picking up the keyboard. It it wasn't rage. He looked heartbroken, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he just did something and then he looked
Speaker 1: heartbroken again. He wasn't like ripping up the apothem and screaming,
Speaker 1: you know. And even that the way he reacted to
Speaker 1: Chris in the dressing room when Chris said the thing
Speaker 1: to him about yes she loves you, but what if
Speaker 1: it's not enough? Oh my god, Yeah, we all wrote
Speaker 1: it down and instead of hitting him, James just looked
Speaker 1: like he'd been shot through the heart. Like he encouraged
Speaker 1: everyone too, taking you too raw, because that that's something else,
Speaker 1: that's there's a tenderness there that could have been turned
Speaker 1: into something that felt sexual, but it wasn't. I mean
Speaker 1: the sexual tension was always there, but that moment of
Speaker 1: him taking off his shirt in the in the light
Speaker 1: and looking at you and Jenny in the crib, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was very sexy, but it was also deeply emotional,
Speaker 1: just that moment and just the fact that he took
Speaker 1: his time and that you were just looking and Jenny
Speaker 1: starts crying and he's like, not a word is said exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just feelings pouring out of both of you. And
Speaker 1: the director gave it. He's a really good director. We
Speaker 1: kind of we love Kevin Downlin prints. I really like
Speaker 1: it when we call out our directors because for the
Speaker 1: fans out there, we always text them and let them
Speaker 1: know that we've been raving about them, and it's so
Speaker 1: fun to hear back from them because you know, it's
Speaker 1: been almost twenty years since we've worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of these people. I was going to call you speaking
Speaker 1: of um and then getting out of the airport on
Speaker 1: Sunday was hallacious. Guess who was on my planet Sunday?
Speaker 1: Stacy Ruckiser shut up and she and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone sent it to you, but
Speaker 1: you know we are because we were talking. She was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of you girls. I love what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I said, well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody sent you the episode. She said, oh, so many
Speaker 1: people sent it to me. You guys are too cute. Now.
Speaker 1: We were just like, we love you, We're so happy
Speaker 1: for you and so cool. We got favorites. I'm sure
Speaker 1: favorite No. I was just going to add in, though, Hill,
Speaker 1: because you were saying you made a joke earlier that
Speaker 1: what did you say, Sophia is being Sophia, right, So
Speaker 1: if he's bringing in the entrepreneurial and you said, I
Speaker 1: brought in the grumpy and then Haley, But you know
Speaker 1: what the truth is actually in this episode, what Peyton
Speaker 1: did with Haley in the hallway is very you. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of friend that you are. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: we experienced it all the time, because look, it's not
Speaker 1: always easy having a friendship with a with anybody. Look,
Speaker 1: if your friendship is easy all the time, you're not
Speaker 1: very good friends. You don't tell each other hard things.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. And you know, like, I just
Speaker 1: think that's really true about you, that even when you
Speaker 1: have something hard to say, there's always love around it.
Speaker 1: I always feel love around it with you agree with that,
Speaker 1: don't You may cry I don't have a drinking wine why?
Speaker 1: And you know we're old. I just I desire to
Speaker 1: push you over the edge. So let's keep going with
Speaker 1: this topic. You're gonna have to take off your next layer, Hillary,
Speaker 1: Well that's wheather here, so there's nothing underneath. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: turn into Britney Spears right now. Hey. Um. One of
Speaker 1: the things to that that you have always been so
Speaker 1: good at as our friend is you hold people to
Speaker 1: high standards. But you do so because you tell the
Speaker 1: people around you that you see them that way. You
Speaker 1: expect people to be the best versions of themselves because
Speaker 1: you see the best versions of who they are. And
Speaker 1: it's it's a very it's a very generous thing. Two
Speaker 1: beyond the receiving end of and and to Joy's point
Speaker 1: about friendships, it's an incredible thing to be part of
Speaker 1: friendships that do that. Take a bullet for you guys. Well,
Speaker 1: you know who wouldn't take a bullet for anybody is
Speaker 1: Dan Scott? You good? You are? I been fire? I
Speaker 1: love it? Dan Scott? What a chump? Well, Paul got
Speaker 1: a haircut in this episode. He looked great. He looks great.
Speaker 1: Noticed Paul just told me. He just texted me and
Speaker 1: he said his son told somebody randomly in the park
Speaker 1: my dad used to be handsome, but he's not anymore.
Speaker 1: It's so vicious, which is not true at all. Of
Speaker 1: course it's not true. I think he looks great right now.
Speaker 1: But I also have a silver fox thing. So it's
Speaker 1: funny because you know, he and I still go out
Speaker 1: all the time, and we were we went out to
Speaker 1: dinner the other night. It's funny to be at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and watch Paul walk in and see all the
Speaker 1: women the restaurants still just turn no matter who they're with,
Speaker 1: no matter how old they are, they're still just like
Speaker 1: whoever they're talking to, Like, just give you sick to
Speaker 1: process this for a second. When my daughter was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, two months old. Maybe Paul was doing
Speaker 1: a movie here in New York and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's meet at this cafe and Woodstock and I was like, yeah, buddy, alright, cool.
Speaker 1: I show up with my brand new baby and Paul
Speaker 1: takes her immediately and we'll not give her back, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, she's fussing, and he's just
Speaker 1: with his big body and his big strong arms like
Speaker 1: making her feel comfortable and she's all happy, and every
Speaker 1: woman in the restaurant was pregnant. Who is this? He
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Do you know what I showed
Speaker 1: her soap to my Maria? My daughter showed her Soap
Speaker 1: Dish the other night? Oh how is that age appropriate? Friends? Um, well,
Speaker 1: we didn't watch the whole movie. I just showed her
Speaker 1: Paul and so I said, do you want to see
Speaker 1: uncle Paul when he was younger? And she was like sure.
Speaker 1: So um, if your friends, if you haven't seen Soap Dish.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's a spectacular movie. It's really funny.
Speaker 1: But you get to see Paul when he was like
Speaker 1: what do you think a baby? And he gets out
Speaker 1: of he's in the He's in the whole movie, but
Speaker 1: in the beginning you only have to go like three
Speaker 1: minutes in and Sally Field gets out of a limo
Speaker 1: and Paul's her date as they walk this red carpet.
Speaker 1: It's a soap oper movie and you can just see
Speaker 1: how tall and he looks exactly like his son, and
Speaker 1: it's really amazing. Maria was just like, what whoa uncle
Speaker 1: Paul has? She seen him be a bad guy in
Speaker 1: our show. Yet No, not at all weird. That's going
Speaker 1: to be weird for her. Well, we'll have to get there.
Speaker 1: But this whole dastardly thing of him wanting Lucas to
Speaker 1: move in with him, I still am having trouble wrapping
Speaker 1: my head around it. The deal is he will tell
Speaker 1: Karen about the heart test if Lucas doesn't tell everyone
Speaker 1: about No, but how did Dan find out about the
Speaker 1: heart test? It's it's it's Dan promises not to blow
Speaker 1: up Keith. Jules really is to keep okay, if Lucas
Speaker 1: will come and live with him and and coming. So
Speaker 1: then the HCM thing because I'm glad someone because because
Speaker 1: Dan has it, and I think wasn't he the one
Speaker 1: who like, oh no, it was Keith who made Lucas
Speaker 1: get the test um So I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know when it is exactly that Lucas told Dan he
Speaker 1: had it. Maybe because he I guess they were already
Speaker 1: in cahoots about jewels, so he said, well, if you
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta pay for my medications. That that
Speaker 1: feels like, yeah, okay, but he's going to live with
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't want Keith to get hurt. Man.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of codependence. It's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: for a kid. Yeah, Jed played it really well though
Speaker 1: in that scene with Moira. Yeah, it's hard to have
Speaker 1: your face do one thing and say different words. That's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. And his face is saying like, Mommy,
Speaker 1: I'm dying, Mommy, I'm dying, Mommy, I'm dying. I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'm fine. I'm to go live with Dan.
Speaker 1: This is what I want. I love that that Karen
Speaker 1: knows her son so well that she's like, what is he?
Speaker 1: What is he manipulating you with? She knows, she knows,
Speaker 1: although I did not like her confusing girl get in
Speaker 1: there later on that trick. It's selfish. And then and
Speaker 1: then that great shot that racks around and you see
Speaker 1: Andy watching Let's let's talk about that thought, not glance
Speaker 1: over that. Have you ever had someone say I am
Speaker 1: in love with you and you have to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's so cute, thanks, but no thanks. Yes, we all
Speaker 1: know the rules are you can never tell them if
Speaker 1: you change your mind, especially when there was someone else.
Speaker 1: When there was someone else, it's so selfish because It's like, well,
Speaker 1: when when you thought they'd always be around, you didn't
Speaker 1: want them, and now that somebody else looks at them
Speaker 1: like they hung the moon, you think you miss out.
Speaker 1: What's worse about this is that Karen didn't change her mind.
Speaker 1: She's not saying, hey, I actually am in love with you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm a total idiot, but come back to me,
Speaker 1: which would be would be a big deal. But no,
Speaker 1: she's saying, I actually still don't want you. I'm just
Speaker 1: jealous that this other girl gets all your time and
Speaker 1: I don't get the time that I wanted with you
Speaker 1: and I. But it's like playing on this piece of
Speaker 1: his emotion. He's just so tender that's being dangled like
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. But you know what's interesting, and
Speaker 1: I I agree with you. I'm just gonna say, but
Speaker 1: but are you saying that made me think of something
Speaker 1: I didn't think of when we watched the episode, because
Speaker 1: I remember when we watched it, you were like, why
Speaker 1: is she doing this? I could buy it if like
Speaker 1: she'd gotten drunk and then not vulnerable that's what you said. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what she said. But I wonder if maybe because
Speaker 1: she's saying I'm jealous. I I miss my friend. Is
Speaker 1: that why she's saying? It's sober? Listen, she used the
Speaker 1: wrong words. She's saying like, buddy, man, I miss hanging
Speaker 1: out with you. That other girl she's lucky. But there's
Speaker 1: a way to prase that is super platonic and it
Speaker 1: puts that wall up, like all of us girls know
Speaker 1: how to do that. So if you are making the
Speaker 1: decision not to do that, and you're using language like
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of jewels and all this time you were
Speaker 1: my person, and that was a gnarly bomb to drop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, because she because she started with I'm jealous
Speaker 1: of jewels and then she unwound it too. It's really
Speaker 1: just because I'm you know, I don't actually want you
Speaker 1: as my partner. I just miss having you around. You
Speaker 1: see his face, You see his face trying to like
Speaker 1: weigh it. Like what she really saying? Am I missing
Speaker 1: a queue right now? Should I kiss her right now?
Speaker 1: Should I not kiss her right now? What you can do?
Speaker 1: And now there's a way to handle. Actually, it was
Speaker 1: good to see her go to Andy at the end
Speaker 1: and lose her, because I certainly have been in situations
Speaker 1: in my life where something bad has happened, and I
Speaker 1: have been surprised at what my gut reaction is, like
Speaker 1: who to call right where it's like, oh, that's the
Speaker 1: person I need to be with right the now, you know.
Speaker 1: And so it is promising that in her moment of
Speaker 1: like absolute despair, it's not Keith she calls Andy. So
Speaker 1: she may be confused. That's a totally rational thing for
Speaker 1: her to feel. We're not vilifying Karen um, but in
Speaker 1: the end, you know, her picking Andy. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've certainly had those moments where I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 1: I really just called so and so. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I think you're right because it would have been okay
Speaker 1: for her to call Keith. That's the person she should
Speaker 1: have called. She looking it's Lucas, And you know, I
Speaker 1: think Jewels would have been understanding with that situation, like
Speaker 1: this is a big deal because it's about Lucas and
Speaker 1: they've always sort of done these things together. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that she also I also appreciate that she
Speaker 1: went to Andy. It felt like a nice surprise, and
Speaker 1: I realized rehashing it that what I put on it
Speaker 1: as a viewer was, oh, Karen is struggling with things
Speaker 1: changing with Lucas, and she's always been supported with Lucas
Speaker 1: by Keith. But when push really comes to shove, she
Speaker 1: wants Andy to hold her. And I feel like they
Speaker 1: they gave that beautiful shot to Karen wrapping around his
Speaker 1: face while he wrapped her up in an embrace, because
Speaker 1: the subtext for him was, oh, she did pick me. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I can't really take that personally. This
Speaker 1: this is this is big and she did pick me? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think. I also love that he had two scenes
Speaker 1: this episode, zero lines. He got to just party in
Speaker 1: Wilming for two weeks. Good for him. We know the
Speaker 1: lines in the cafe that great. It was like, it's
Speaker 1: chili and what do you want to talk about the
Speaker 1: weather or drink coffee? I loved Okay. Another confession though,
Speaker 1: the big confession of the episode, besides Haley confessing that
Speaker 1: she kissed Chris, which I still never interested in when
Speaker 1: she didn't go he kissed me? I just about, but
Speaker 1: we will. The other one is Mouth, who also came
Speaker 1: in at this great moment, like I forgot that the
Speaker 1: writers were holding onto that I had it forever. I know.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect timing to just keep heightening, as
Speaker 1: you know, with the writer's brain on my writer's hat on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is such perfect timing to add
Speaker 1: that in. It was great. Yeah, And and Lee played
Speaker 1: that scene so beautifully and and one of the things
Speaker 1: I loved because you know, I didn't remember how that
Speaker 1: was going to go, but when he walked in, he's
Speaker 1: really got his heart on his sleeve. He has to
Speaker 1: say the most vulnerable thing. And and I loved watching
Speaker 1: us together because I was surprised even by my reaction,
Speaker 1: which wasn't to get mad, it was to just be
Speaker 1: so hurt that the person who I trusted to tell
Speaker 1: me the truth also lied to me. Mom disappointed, It
Speaker 1: was hard. It was like it was a heartbreak. It
Speaker 1: was it was that kind of heartbreak that comes from
Speaker 1: the betrayal of a friend. And I was I was
Speaker 1: surprised by it. You had already had it out with
Speaker 1: him after the prom or the dance or whatever that was.
Speaker 1: So it seemed like we're not going to do this, Like,
Speaker 1: let's not do that again. Let's just be really honest.
Speaker 1: Now there's no time for anger, because anger is always
Speaker 1: covering up hurt. Let's just be honest. Well that was hard.
Speaker 1: There's there's similar energy there between you and Mouth and
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith, because it's the friend zone energy, it's
Speaker 1: the reliable energy, but also when it's taken away, it
Speaker 1: feels like the rugs being pulled out from under you.
Speaker 1: Um and Keith has the most beautiful line in this,
Speaker 1: which is the subtext of mouth scene with you, is
Speaker 1: I'm glad I loved you all those years, Like you
Speaker 1: and Mouth get there. You know, doesn't he end up
Speaker 1: marrying Millie, your assistant? You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like loving you was a safe place for
Speaker 1: me because then when the right person came along, I
Speaker 1: was good for it. Yeah, that is so true. I
Speaker 1: mean I think I think we've all had that in
Speaker 1: our lives. In our lives, I've had someone that I
Speaker 1: loved for a long time that if I didn't love
Speaker 1: that person, I probably would have gotten caught up with
Speaker 1: a lot of the wrong kind of guys and a
Speaker 1: lot of bad situations. But I was, you know, young,
Speaker 1: and just like so in love and sure that I
Speaker 1: was just willing to fight for it and wait and
Speaker 1: wait and stick around. And then you realize, oh wait,
Speaker 1: actually this is not the right thing at all. This
Speaker 1: was a good bookmark, but great bookmark. Yes, m that's
Speaker 1: how I view my years at TRL, Like how many
Speaker 1: bad musicians would I have kissed if I didn't have
Speaker 1: that one boyfriend? All that? Yes, listen, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: we had this bookmark. Um. But but Keith is so
Speaker 1: earnest about it and that same love you mean, you
Speaker 1: could yield it from mouth because he's also heartbroken when
Speaker 1: he says, I don't think I can be friends with
Speaker 1: you either. You know, boys, stop making it hard. So
Speaker 1: sweet and and I kind of loved that this moment
Speaker 1: of the friendship heartbreak happening against the backdrop of this speech.
Speaker 1: You know, used to take it back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: Work is finding her inspiration. She's she's being told that
Speaker 1: she is courageous, that she is deserving of being a
Speaker 1: whole person and of embracing herself and telling her truth
Speaker 1: and being proud. It's why she says that iconic line,
Speaker 1: I am who I am. No excuses. It is a
Speaker 1: T shirt like I wanted on a shirt and a
Speaker 1: dad had and on everything else. But what I didn't
Speaker 1: remember because trust me, that's one of the lines people
Speaker 1: people quote it to me. They want me to write
Speaker 1: it for tattoos. I didn't remember that. The next thing
Speaker 1: she said was was opening up about how she wanted
Speaker 1: people to know there was more to her than yeah.
Speaker 1: And and so I kind of love that this heartbreak
Speaker 1: happens tenderly and that she doesn't get mad. She just
Speaker 1: admits that she's sad because she's been diving into courage.
Speaker 1: She's she's been writing her first speech. It's it's when
Speaker 1: she starts finding her voice. And and I think there
Speaker 1: is something that does make you more bold but also
Speaker 1: much more tender when you begin to find your voice
Speaker 1: and you begin to find your purpose and you and
Speaker 1: you look to history and and everything like clicks and
Speaker 1: and that was a moment where she came alive. But
Speaker 1: it's it's an experience that I've had in my life,
Speaker 1: coming alive with a purpose that I've learned from studying history.
Speaker 1: And like, oh, I have chills thinking about it. It
Speaker 1: just it felt so good two not just do it
Speaker 1: in my own life, but to do it out in
Speaker 1: the world like that. It was very very cool and special. Well, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you're wearing like the hotness outfit ever, like the little
Speaker 1: like pink. And that's what I love is that you. Brooke.
Speaker 1: Brooke embodies a balance between femininity and sexuality and power
Speaker 1: and intellect and she doesn't have to cut one to
Speaker 1: be the other. And that's sure uses too. It's super important.
Speaker 1: We don't have to be schoolmarms to be smart. Though.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Brooke Brooke paved the way. She was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show my ass in the sweet skirt and
Speaker 1: also tell you what's up. Yeah, she was like, today
Speaker 1: I'm feeling inspired by Clueless and the Kennedy guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about Clueless is kind of reminding me
Speaker 1: of trends of the time which I think really made
Speaker 1: their way into this episode. Let's talk about Jessica Harp's hair,
Speaker 1: the flat iron flip, which was so popular back then.
Speaker 1: I think that started with in Sweet and Alabama, Right,
Speaker 1: wasn't that the moment? It was such a look, like
Speaker 1: the powder jeans, the jeans that were like kind of
Speaker 1: powdery blue, they were like that wash was so weird.
Speaker 1: The pointy toed high heel boots, yeah, or thing that
Speaker 1: smoky eye with very skinny eyebrows, yes, and the glossy,
Speaker 1: glossy lip, the glossy, glossy lip. Um, I love. It's
Speaker 1: so fun to see that that sort of PC flip.
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen that in so long. It will
Speaker 1: Actually we just watched Kate and Leopold the other night
Speaker 1: and um Mgryan had that hair do too. But I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what year that was, but but it was
Speaker 1: a little shorter, it was still short. Riese Wetherspoon did
Speaker 1: it in Sweet Home, Alabama and it was fun. Busy
Speaker 1: Phillips has been doing Girls five EVA for Peacock and
Speaker 1: has been doing like flashback scenes with that flip was
Speaker 1: the episode I was like, is that busy good? Also,
Speaker 1: why those two have never played sisters? Hello? Somebody needs
Speaker 1: to get it together. I just remember how excited we
Speaker 1: all were to have them on the show. We loved
Speaker 1: the records. That song coming on took me back in
Speaker 1: the most intense way. I just want to listen to
Speaker 1: that album all night now and again. With the directing,
Speaker 1: the cut to the lyrics of that song, every group
Speaker 1: that they cut to Joy to you, you know, to
Speaker 1: to Haley and Taylor and then back to Nathan, you know,
Speaker 1: between you and Chris, between Brooke and Lucas, between Broke
Speaker 1: and Lucas right where you're just like good god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like every single way that they cut between
Speaker 1: all of us hit those lyrics. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this cuts so deep. I loved it. They
Speaker 1: were also such cool girls. I was liked because even
Speaker 1: when I worked at MTV, I was always intimidated by
Speaker 1: the artist. Like we didn't mingle. It was like still
Speaker 1: intimidated by the artist. You just like you try to
Speaker 1: be cool and you're like, hey, welcome, can I get
Speaker 1: you a snack? Like how do you take your coffee?
Speaker 1: You know, like you try to be like cool that way. Um,
Speaker 1: But they were both so cool, and I remember joy
Speaker 1: hanging out in that green room with them and Tyler
Speaker 1: and you because we ended up shooting like very very
Speaker 1: late into the night after everybody else had gone home,
Speaker 1: and I remember feeling like very special that we got
Speaker 1: to like stay behind with them in the green room. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that it was normally our green room
Speaker 1: for like cast while we were filming, and so then
Speaker 1: they just turned it into that for the show. You know,
Speaker 1: Tyler in this episode is very button pushy. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't he always he did? It was liable in this Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. There was like something had happened to Chris
Speaker 1: Keller where he knew he had power. So instead of
Speaker 1: just trying to rile people up being kind of a dick,
Speaker 1: he he just went, oh, I can do that to you,
Speaker 1: and I can do that to you. Have been acceptable. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was just being a dick, But step in the
Speaker 1: green room, that was a power play, honestly. Okay, Like,
Speaker 1: let's just think about this from Chris Keller's perspective. Meet
Speaker 1: this chick who's an amazing performer. You find out that
Speaker 1: not only is she married, but she's married to like
Speaker 1: a can dude from the high school basketball team. Like
Speaker 1: she's got so much potential and she's locked down in
Speaker 1: this little town of Tree Hill, and he has the
Speaker 1: tools to liberate her and give her her heart's desire.
Speaker 1: Like he's not totally wrong, And that's what's great about
Speaker 1: our show is that nobody's ever totally wrong. Like when
Speaker 1: Peyton and Lucas are hooking up behind Brooks back, there
Speaker 1: is a thing there, Is it bad? Yep? Is it real? Yep?
Speaker 1: And so Chris Keller isn't being a monster. He's being
Speaker 1: a human that sees a girl with so much potential,
Speaker 1: and he likes it and he wants more for her.
Speaker 1: I love it, you see that. That's so cool. That's
Speaker 1: what I love about our show, guys, And it is.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. There's no just clear villain. Even Dan,
Speaker 1: who is obviously the clear villain. He still has so
Speaker 1: handsome with that hair, kind is so good. But he
Speaker 1: still has all these moments, has and has had all
Speaker 1: these moments where we're like, oh, I get it, I
Speaker 1: know where he's come on. You know it's hard, But
Speaker 1: do you, guys think that that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that our show has stayed evergreen because it does remind you,
Speaker 1: no matter how much someone's behavior hurts you or enrages
Speaker 1: you or confuses you, it reminds you to look at
Speaker 1: people and ask, well, what's going on with you? Where
Speaker 1: are they coming from, where are you coming from? Why
Speaker 1: did you do this? What am I not seeing it?
Speaker 1: It has encouraged so many people two look beyond just
Speaker 1: the present moment with someone and keep investing and dig
Speaker 1: in and do the work. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think it's for that reason that well, even after I
Speaker 1: did therapy, after I left one trio, the note I
Speaker 1: kept getting was the people that you keep trying to
Speaker 1: push out, invite them in, like, like, figure out what's
Speaker 1: making them hurt, and you will feel less slided. And
Speaker 1: that is the note of our show. Figure out what
Speaker 1: is making that other person hurt, and then you can
Speaker 1: make a decision whether they're being an asshole or they're
Speaker 1: being a scared puppy, you know, his empathy. That's that's
Speaker 1: ultimately what it's teaching everyone, right, and teaching us. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're doing as actors to majorly actually,
Speaker 1: But by the way, some people will just be like,
Speaker 1: it's fair to arrive at that decision. There's very few people.
Speaker 1: Sorry that My wine just kicked in and I realized
Speaker 1: I was like talking like this, and I said something
Speaker 1: turning into Rome and Michelle. I was in the middle,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I watched Bill and Ted's Excellent
Speaker 1: Adventure last night for the first time, with which be
Speaker 1: excellent to each other. Joy. I was mid sentence my
Speaker 1: brain shut down. So that was great anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: But you were saying, and you were right, you were
Speaker 1: saying that as actors, that is our jobs, right, we
Speaker 1: have to have empathy, not only for our scene partners
Speaker 1: in in scenes, but with our own characters, and it's
Speaker 1: something I love it so much. I had Connie Britton
Speaker 1: on Work in Progress after White Lotus and I was like,
Speaker 1: real questions for you. She's so good and we were
Speaker 1: talking about the themes of that show and how unlikable
Speaker 1: this woman and some of these characters could be, and
Speaker 1: she said, yeah, no, I never judge my characters, That's right,
Speaker 1: no matter what they're doing, no matter how terrible they are.
Speaker 1: Sometimes as actors, we have to sign up to play
Speaker 1: actually terrible people, to make examples of them and their
Speaker 1: terrible ideas. And yet you can't judge your character if
Speaker 1: you really want to play them. So we are required
Speaker 1: to find more empathy, not only for the people we
Speaker 1: agree with, but for the people we disagree with. It's
Speaker 1: literally our loving your enemy concept in action. In a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, we just step outside of your own
Speaker 1: perspective and see where someone else is coming from. How
Speaker 1: did you do it? Joy? When you had to admit
Speaker 1: to Nathan that you kissed Chris because that is a
Speaker 1: bomb shell in this episode, you spend a whole episode
Speaker 1: hiding it from Nathan. You blame it on your sister,
Speaker 1: you brush it off, you tell me, you tell Peyton
Speaker 1: that like Chris kissed me, you know. And then finally
Speaker 1: with Nathan, you've got to tell him. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: remember shooting that scene? You did so good? Baby, it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I I remember it in some way. There's
Speaker 1: a recess in my mind where I am there. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've been in that apartment so many times.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just making that, but it is. It is
Speaker 1: hard to admit something that's shameful. That's always hard, and
Speaker 1: especially to the person who you know it's going to
Speaker 1: hurt the most. Yeah. I appreciated that Haley didn't try
Speaker 1: and excuse it away or um, brush past it. But
Speaker 1: you know, she really just sat with it and nodded
Speaker 1: her head. And I mean she yes, of course she
Speaker 1: tried to put some context with it, but it wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's not like I slept with him. Like it's not
Speaker 1: that big of a you know. I mean, she knew
Speaker 1: what she did. Yeah. And also for Haley to be
Speaker 1: lying to someone that is really important to her, She's
Speaker 1: never done that before. She's always been the good girl. Um,
Speaker 1: that's how it is, right, one lie and just it's
Speaker 1: always spirals. You can't it's never just one. You think
Speaker 1: it's just one, and then you pull the thread and
Speaker 1: the whole thing comes unraveled. The way you held the
Speaker 1: back of his head as you said yes, and you
Speaker 1: were like really trying to get him to stay in
Speaker 1: it with you. Oh and we all, god, that's what.
Speaker 1: I started sweating so bad, and I was just like
Speaker 1: we were all like, don't touch him, don't touch him.
Speaker 1: But oh god, oh god, because because you know, you
Speaker 1: have you been on the receiving end of that and
Speaker 1: the person reaching out and trying to touch you, nopes,
Speaker 1: like get your hands off of me. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was you guys did a really really good job
Speaker 1: in this episode. And then Nathan, you know, looking at
Speaker 1: the bench at the river walk and running home, why
Speaker 1: so good on the slow motion of the keyboard. And
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for the bracelet, Sophie and I
Speaker 1: didn't remember the bracelet. I totally forgot about that. That's
Speaker 1: a big move. But you know what, if he said
Speaker 1: it's over, that's what she believes, and that's true of
Speaker 1: I think a lot of men are like that, like
Speaker 1: once they make up their mind, there's really No, it's
Speaker 1: like a switch goes off, a wall goes down. There's
Speaker 1: no way to rewind that. I think I disagree. Really,
Speaker 1: I think men. I think men say they're done and
Speaker 1: they don't made it. I think when when a woman
Speaker 1: says we are done here, that's when it's like dead
Speaker 1: and final friendy. That hasn't been my experience. But so
Speaker 1: maybe it's not gender specific. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: I guess it's not. Yeah, it's just how stubborn are you?
Speaker 1: What's your zodiac Signny? That's funny. Oh yeah, boys can
Speaker 1: be coerced, Joy, I'll teach you all the tricks there.
Speaker 1: They're monsters. Well she did for Nathan. Yeah, I hated
Speaker 1: that for Nathan too. That was so hard to see
Speaker 1: that bracelets sitting on the table and just knowing that
Speaker 1: she was like, I accept your resignation. Although Sophie and
Speaker 1: I fully enjoyed the palpable energy when you approached that
Speaker 1: tour bus, and Chris Keller was like, say what it
Speaker 1: was steaming and not just the exhaust from the bus.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep up with Joy, you know,
Speaker 1: But seriously, like you walking up there, another really good shot,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the girls leave, Michelle and Jess, and
Speaker 1: you know, it felt very real, like everybody's packing up,
Speaker 1: it's time to go, and there you are, and and
Speaker 1: and you said it to him, you need to do
Speaker 1: this for you. Yeah, and she had to. I think
Speaker 1: that bag though, like, what did you do this tour?
Speaker 1: That bag was so small it was Hayley is an
Speaker 1: expert packer. If nothing else, that girl is efficient. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear the same baby doll T shirt and
Speaker 1: what did you came? By the way, what did you
Speaker 1: wear on that actual tour? Did you have like a
Speaker 1: go to like cool girl? Get my gosh, I did.
Speaker 1: It was the rainbow dress that I bought at some
Speaker 1: vintage store in New York when I was living there
Speaker 1: in two thousand and it was I still have it,
Speaker 1: have it. I love that dress so much. So it's
Speaker 1: a paper fin but you know I were a slip
Speaker 1: underneath it. It It was beautiful. Even better. Yeah, I've got it.
Speaker 1: Um Well, I loved this episode. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: find out the next one. What is the next one?
Speaker 1: The quiet things that no one ever knows? We got
Speaker 1: more Jake, we got Hayley and Nathan, we got move Brook. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: the election is like happening full swing. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: going to be a big deal. I'm excited. Um, should
Speaker 1: we spin a wheel? Guys? Okay, I might sneeze. Who
Speaker 1: is most likely to forget where they parked their car? Alright? Alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: which character is most likely to forget where they parked
Speaker 1: their car? I mean that's a Bevan thing. I ever
Speaker 1: I heard that makes sense? Yeah, but so anybody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was going to go deep into the
Speaker 1: last seasons of the show and say Julian, but that
Speaker 1: felt kind of dark. Poor Julie. You're not wrong female option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so used to valet um. I don't agree in
Speaker 1: real life. Have you ever lost your vehicle constantly? Joy
Speaker 1: of obviously, Oh my god, that's the Joy and I
Speaker 1: have had some car adventures. I just want to say
Speaker 1: I endorsed Joy from most likely to where she parked
Speaker 1: her car? Wasn't It wasn't called Joy bitter for no reason.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be your friend with the iPhone
Speaker 1: to take pictures of your parking spots in the garage.
Speaker 1: I'm as you now, like I've lost it so many
Speaker 1: times that now I know to do that, and that
Speaker 1: I can't talk on the phone or talk to the
Speaker 1: person that I'm with when I parked my car and
Speaker 1: when we walk away, it's like just I have to
Speaker 1: turn around and to take the mental picture, I have
Speaker 1: to look at the numbers and all the things. So
Speaker 1: now I generally do that. When we did our drama
Speaker 1: Queen's photo shoot and you drove and you wanted to
Speaker 1: get sushi and we had to take a picture, yes
Speaker 1: we did because we were in that underground parking structure
Speaker 1: when everything looks like, guys, I'm never going to find
Speaker 1: my way, It's fine, It's fine, My god, you don't
Speaker 1: need to. That's why we have technology. Joy, Thank god
Speaker 1: that Hey. I love your faces, you guys, and we
Speaker 1: love all of you. Come back next week. We can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk about some more. Good night. Hey, thanks
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