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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirteen. The hero dies in this one

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Speaker 1: brought in the grumpy and then Haley, But you know

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00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: what the truth is actually in this episode, what Peyton

426
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: did with Haley in the hallway is very you. That's

427
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: the kind of friend that you are. And I, you know,

428
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: we experienced it all the time, because look, it's not

429
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: always easy having a friendship with a with anybody. Look,

430
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: if your friendship is easy all the time, you're not

431
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: very good friends. You don't tell each other hard things.

432
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. And you know, like, I just

433
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: think that's really true about you, that even when you

434
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: have something hard to say, there's always love around it.

435
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: I always feel love around it with you agree with that,

436
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: don't You may cry I don't have a drinking wine why?

437
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: And you know we're old. I just I desire to

438
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: push you over the edge. So let's keep going with

439
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: this topic. You're gonna have to take off your next layer, Hillary,

440
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: Well that's wheather here, so there's nothing underneath. I'm gonna

441
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: turn into Britney Spears right now. Hey. Um. One of

442
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: the things to that that you have always been so

443
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: good at as our friend is you hold people to

444
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: high standards. But you do so because you tell the

445
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: people around you that you see them that way. You

446
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: expect people to be the best versions of themselves because

447
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: you see the best versions of who they are. And

448
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: it's it's a very it's a very generous thing. Two

449
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: beyond the receiving end of and and to Joy's point

450
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: about friendships, it's an incredible thing to be part of

451
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: friendships that do that. Take a bullet for you guys. Well,

452
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: you know who wouldn't take a bullet for anybody is

453
00:26:50,920 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Dan Scott? You good? You are? I been fire? I

454
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: love it? Dan Scott? What a chump? Well, Paul got

455
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: a haircut in this episode. He looked great. He looks great.

456
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: Noticed Paul just told me. He just texted me and

457
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: he said his son told somebody randomly in the park

458
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: my dad used to be handsome, but he's not anymore.

459
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: It's so vicious, which is not true at all. Of

460
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: course it's not true. I think he looks great right now.

461
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: But I also have a silver fox thing. So it's

462
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: funny because you know, he and I still go out

463
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: all the time, and we were we went out to

464
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: dinner the other night. It's funny to be at a

465
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: restaurant and watch Paul walk in and see all the

466
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: women the restaurants still just turn no matter who they're with,

467
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: no matter how old they are, they're still just like

468
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: whoever they're talking to, Like, just give you sick to

469
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: process this for a second. When my daughter was like,

470
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, two months old. Maybe Paul was doing

471
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: a movie here in New York and was like, hey,

472
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: let's meet at this cafe and Woodstock and I was like, yeah, buddy, alright, cool.

473
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I show up with my brand new baby and Paul

474
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: takes her immediately and we'll not give her back, and

475
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, she's fussing, and he's just

476
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: with his big body and his big strong arms like

477
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: making her feel comfortable and she's all happy, and every

478
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: woman in the restaurant was pregnant. Who is this? He

479
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Do you know what I showed

480
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: her soap to my Maria? My daughter showed her Soap

481
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Dish the other night? Oh how is that age appropriate? Friends? Um, well,

482
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: we didn't watch the whole movie. I just showed her

483
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Paul and so I said, do you want to see

484
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: uncle Paul when he was younger? And she was like sure.

485
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: So um, if your friends, if you haven't seen Soap Dish.

486
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: First of all, it's a spectacular movie. It's really funny.

487
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: But you get to see Paul when he was like

488
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: what do you think a baby? And he gets out

489
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: of he's in the He's in the whole movie, but

490
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: in the beginning you only have to go like three

491
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: minutes in and Sally Field gets out of a limo

492
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: and Paul's her date as they walk this red carpet.

493
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: It's a soap oper movie and you can just see

494
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: how tall and he looks exactly like his son, and

495
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: it's really amazing. Maria was just like, what whoa uncle

496
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Paul has? She seen him be a bad guy in

497
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: our show. Yet No, not at all weird. That's going

498
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: to be weird for her. Well, we'll have to get there.

499
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: But this whole dastardly thing of him wanting Lucas to

500
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: move in with him, I still am having trouble wrapping

501
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: my head around it. The deal is he will tell

502
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Karen about the heart test if Lucas doesn't tell everyone

503
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: about No, but how did Dan find out about the

504
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: heart test? It's it's it's Dan promises not to blow

505
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: up Keith. Jules really is to keep okay, if Lucas

506
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: will come and live with him and and coming. So

507
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: then the HCM thing because I'm glad someone because because

508
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Dan has it, and I think wasn't he the one

509
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: who like, oh no, it was Keith who made Lucas

510
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: get the test um So I don't know, I don't

511
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: know when it is exactly that Lucas told Dan he

512
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: had it. Maybe because he I guess they were already

513
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: in cahoots about jewels, so he said, well, if you

514
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta pay for my medications. That that

515
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: feels like, yeah, okay, but he's going to live with

516
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't want Keith to get hurt. Man.

517
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: That's a lot of codependence. It's a lot of pressure

518
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: for a kid. Yeah, Jed played it really well though

519
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: in that scene with Moira. Yeah, it's hard to have

520
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: your face do one thing and say different words. That's

521
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. And his face is saying like, Mommy,

522
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm dying, Mommy, I'm dying, Mommy, I'm dying. I'm scared.

523
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'm fine. I'm to go live with Dan.

524
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: This is what I want. I love that that Karen

525
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: knows her son so well that she's like, what is he?

526
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: What is he manipulating you with? She knows, she knows,

527
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: although I did not like her confusing girl get in

528
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: there later on that trick. It's selfish. And then and

529
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: then that great shot that racks around and you see

530
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: Andy watching Let's let's talk about that thought, not glance

531
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: over that. Have you ever had someone say I am

532
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: in love with you and you have to be like, oh,

533
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: that's so cute, thanks, but no thanks. Yes, we all

534
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: know the rules are you can never tell them if

535
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: you change your mind, especially when there was someone else.

536
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: When there was someone else, it's so selfish because It's like, well,

537
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: when when you thought they'd always be around, you didn't

538
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: want them, and now that somebody else looks at them

539
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: like they hung the moon, you think you miss out.

540
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: What's worse about this is that Karen didn't change her mind.

541
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: She's not saying, hey, I actually am in love with you.

542
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm a total idiot, but come back to me,

543
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: which would be would be a big deal. But no,

544
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: she's saying, I actually still don't want you. I'm just

545
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: jealous that this other girl gets all your time and

546
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't get the time that I wanted with you

547
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: and I. But it's like playing on this piece of

548
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: his emotion. He's just so tender that's being dangled like

549
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. But you know what's interesting, and

550
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: I I agree with you. I'm just gonna say, but

551
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: but are you saying that made me think of something

552
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I didn't think of when we watched the episode, because

553
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I remember when we watched it, you were like, why

554
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: is she doing this? I could buy it if like

555
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: she'd gotten drunk and then not vulnerable that's what you said. Yeah, yeah,

556
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: that's what she said. But I wonder if maybe because

557
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: she's saying I'm jealous. I I miss my friend. Is

558
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that why she's saying? It's sober? Listen, she used the

559
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: wrong words. She's saying like, buddy, man, I miss hanging

560
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: out with you. That other girl she's lucky. But there's

561
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: a way to prase that is super platonic and it

562
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: puts that wall up, like all of us girls know

563
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: how to do that. So if you are making the

564
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: decision not to do that, and you're using language like

565
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of jewels and all this time you were

566
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: my person, and that was a gnarly bomb to drop. Yeah,

567
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you're right, because she because she started with I'm jealous

568
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: of jewels and then she unwound it too. It's really

569
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: just because I'm you know, I don't actually want you

570
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: as my partner. I just miss having you around. You

571
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: see his face, You see his face trying to like

572
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: weigh it. Like what she really saying? Am I missing

573
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: a queue right now? Should I kiss her right now?

574
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: Should I not kiss her right now? What you can do?

575
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: And now there's a way to handle. Actually, it was

576
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: good to see her go to Andy at the end

577
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: and lose her, because I certainly have been in situations

578
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: in my life where something bad has happened, and I

579
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: have been surprised at what my gut reaction is, like

580
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: who to call right where it's like, oh, that's the

581
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: person I need to be with right the now, you know.

582
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: And so it is promising that in her moment of

583
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: like absolute despair, it's not Keith she calls Andy. So

584
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: she may be confused. That's a totally rational thing for

585
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: her to feel. We're not vilifying Karen um, but in

586
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: the end, you know, her picking Andy. Yeah, I mean,

587
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: I've certainly had those moments where I'm like, oh God,

588
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: I really just called so and so. Yeah, me too.

589
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I think you're right because it would have been okay

590
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: for her to call Keith. That's the person she should

591
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: have called. She looking it's Lucas, And you know, I

592
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: think Jewels would have been understanding with that situation, like

593
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: this is a big deal because it's about Lucas and

594
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: they've always sort of done these things together. So yeah,

595
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that she also I also appreciate that she

596
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: went to Andy. It felt like a nice surprise, and

597
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: I realized rehashing it that what I put on it

598
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: as a viewer was, oh, Karen is struggling with things

599
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: changing with Lucas, and she's always been supported with Lucas

600
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: by Keith. But when push really comes to shove, she

601
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: wants Andy to hold her. And I feel like they

602
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: they gave that beautiful shot to Karen wrapping around his

603
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: face while he wrapped her up in an embrace, because

604
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: the subtext for him was, oh, she did pick me. Yes,

605
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I can't really take that personally. This

606
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: this is this is big and she did pick me? Yeah.

607
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I think. I also love that he had two scenes

608
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: this episode, zero lines. He got to just party in

609
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: Wilming for two weeks. Good for him. We know the

610
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: lines in the cafe that great. It was like, it's

611
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: chili and what do you want to talk about the

612
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: weather or drink coffee? I loved Okay. Another confession though,

613
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the big confession of the episode, besides Haley confessing that

614
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: she kissed Chris, which I still never interested in when

615
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: she didn't go he kissed me? I just about, but

616
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: we will. The other one is Mouth, who also came

617
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: in at this great moment, like I forgot that the

618
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: writers were holding onto that I had it forever. I know.

619
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: It was the perfect timing to just keep heightening, as

620
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the writer's brain on my writer's hat on.

621
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is such perfect timing to add

622
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that in. It was great. Yeah, And and Lee played

623
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: that scene so beautifully and and one of the things

624
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I loved because you know, I didn't remember how that

625
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: was going to go, but when he walked in, he's

626
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: really got his heart on his sleeve. He has to

627
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: say the most vulnerable thing. And and I loved watching

628
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: us together because I was surprised even by my reaction,

629
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: which wasn't to get mad, it was to just be

630
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: so hurt that the person who I trusted to tell

631
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: me the truth also lied to me. Mom disappointed, It

632
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: was hard. It was like it was a heartbreak. It

633
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: was it was that kind of heartbreak that comes from

634
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: the betrayal of a friend. And I was I was

635
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: surprised by it. You had already had it out with

636
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: him after the prom or the dance or whatever that was.

637
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: So it seemed like we're not going to do this, Like,

638
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: let's not do that again. Let's just be really honest.

639
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: Now there's no time for anger, because anger is always

640
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: covering up hurt. Let's just be honest. Well that was hard.

641
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: There's there's similar energy there between you and Mouth and

642
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith, because it's the friend zone energy, it's

643
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: the reliable energy, but also when it's taken away, it

644
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: feels like the rugs being pulled out from under you.

645
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: Um and Keith has the most beautiful line in this,

646
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: which is the subtext of mouth scene with you, is

647
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm glad I loved you all those years, Like you

648
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and Mouth get there. You know, doesn't he end up

649
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: marrying Millie, your assistant? You know what I mean. It's

650
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: like it's like loving you was a safe place for

651
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: me because then when the right person came along, I

652
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: was good for it. Yeah, that is so true. I

653
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: mean I think I think we've all had that in

654
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: our lives. In our lives, I've had someone that I

655
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: loved for a long time that if I didn't love

656
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: that person, I probably would have gotten caught up with

657
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the wrong kind of guys and a

658
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of bad situations. But I was, you know, young,

659
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: and just like so in love and sure that I

660
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: was just willing to fight for it and wait and

661
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: wait and stick around. And then you realize, oh wait,

662
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: actually this is not the right thing at all. This

663
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: was a good bookmark, but great bookmark. Yes, m that's

664
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: how I view my years at TRL, Like how many

665
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: bad musicians would I have kissed if I didn't have

666
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: that one boyfriend? All that? Yes, listen, I'm glad that

667
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: we had this bookmark. Um. But but Keith is so

668
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: earnest about it and that same love you mean, you

669
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: could yield it from mouth because he's also heartbroken when

670
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: he says, I don't think I can be friends with

671
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: you either. You know, boys, stop making it hard. So

672
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: sweet and and I kind of loved that this moment

673
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: of the friendship heartbreak happening against the backdrop of this speech.

674
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, used to take it back to the beginning.

675
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: Work is finding her inspiration. She's she's being told that

676
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: she is courageous, that she is deserving of being a

677
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: whole person and of embracing herself and telling her truth

678
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: and being proud. It's why she says that iconic line,

679
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: I am who I am. No excuses. It is a

680
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: T shirt like I wanted on a shirt and a

681
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: dad had and on everything else. But what I didn't

682
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: remember because trust me, that's one of the lines people

683
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: people quote it to me. They want me to write

684
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: it for tattoos. I didn't remember that. The next thing

685
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: she said was was opening up about how she wanted

686
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: people to know there was more to her than yeah.

687
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: And and so I kind of love that this heartbreak

688
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: happens tenderly and that she doesn't get mad. She just

689
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: admits that she's sad because she's been diving into courage.

690
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: She's she's been writing her first speech. It's it's when

691
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: she starts finding her voice. And and I think there

692
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: is something that does make you more bold but also

693
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: much more tender when you begin to find your voice

694
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: and you begin to find your purpose and you and

695
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: you look to history and and everything like clicks and

696
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: and that was a moment where she came alive. But

697
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: it's it's an experience that I've had in my life,

698
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: coming alive with a purpose that I've learned from studying history.

699
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: And like, oh, I have chills thinking about it. It

700
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: just it felt so good two not just do it

701
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: in my own life, but to do it out in

702
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: the world like that. It was very very cool and special. Well, meanwhile,

703
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: you're wearing like the hotness outfit ever, like the little

704
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: like pink. And that's what I love is that you. Brooke.

705
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Brooke embodies a balance between femininity and sexuality and power

706
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: and intellect and she doesn't have to cut one to

707
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: be the other. And that's sure uses too. It's super important.

708
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: We don't have to be schoolmarms to be smart. Though.

709
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Brooke Brooke paved the way. She was like,

710
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show my ass in the sweet skirt and

711
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: also tell you what's up. Yeah, she was like, today

712
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm feeling inspired by Clueless and the Kennedy guys. Okay,

713
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: but let's talk about Clueless is kind of reminding me

714
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: of trends of the time which I think really made

715
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: their way into this episode. Let's talk about Jessica Harp's hair,

716
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: the flat iron flip, which was so popular back then.

717
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: I think that started with in Sweet and Alabama, Right,

718
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that the moment? It was such a look, like

719
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the powder jeans, the jeans that were like kind of

720
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: powdery blue, they were like that wash was so weird.

721
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: The pointy toed high heel boots, yeah, or thing that

722
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: smoky eye with very skinny eyebrows, yes, and the glossy,

723
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: glossy lip, the glossy, glossy lip. Um, I love. It's

724
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: so fun to see that that sort of PC flip.

725
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen that in so long. It will

726
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: Actually we just watched Kate and Leopold the other night

727
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: and um Mgryan had that hair do too. But I'm

728
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: not sure what year that was, but but it was

729
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: a little shorter, it was still short. Riese Wetherspoon did

730
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: it in Sweet Home, Alabama and it was fun. Busy

731
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Phillips has been doing Girls five EVA for Peacock and

732
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: has been doing like flashback scenes with that flip was

733
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: the episode I was like, is that busy good? Also,

734
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: why those two have never played sisters? Hello? Somebody needs

735
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: to get it together. I just remember how excited we

736
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: all were to have them on the show. We loved

737
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: the records. That song coming on took me back in

738
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the most intense way. I just want to listen to

739
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: that album all night now and again. With the directing,

740
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: the cut to the lyrics of that song, every group

741
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: that they cut to Joy to you, you know, to

742
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: to Haley and Taylor and then back to Nathan, you know,

743
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: between you and Chris, between Brooke and Lucas, between Broke

744
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: and Lucas right where you're just like good god, oh

745
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: my god, Like every single way that they cut between

746
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: all of us hit those lyrics. I was like, oh

747
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: my god, this cuts so deep. I loved it. They

748
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: were also such cool girls. I was liked because even

749
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: when I worked at MTV, I was always intimidated by

750
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: the artist. Like we didn't mingle. It was like still

751
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: intimidated by the artist. You just like you try to

752
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: be cool and you're like, hey, welcome, can I get

753
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: you a snack? Like how do you take your coffee?

754
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, like you try to be like cool that way. Um,

755
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: But they were both so cool, and I remember joy

756
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: hanging out in that green room with them and Tyler

757
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: and you because we ended up shooting like very very

758
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: late into the night after everybody else had gone home,

759
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: and I remember feeling like very special that we got

760
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: to like stay behind with them in the green room. Um,

761
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: I don't remember that it was normally our green room

762
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: for like cast while we were filming, and so then

763
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: they just turned it into that for the show. You know,

764
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Tyler in this episode is very button pushy. Yes, I mean,

765
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: isn't he always he did? It was liable in this Yeah,

766
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: it was. There was like something had happened to Chris

767
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: Keller where he knew he had power. So instead of

768
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: just trying to rile people up being kind of a dick,

769
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: he he just went, oh, I can do that to you,

770
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: and I can do that to you. Have been acceptable. Okay,

771
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: that was just being a dick, But step in the

772
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: green room, that was a power play, honestly. Okay, Like,

773
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: let's just think about this from Chris Keller's perspective. Meet

774
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: this chick who's an amazing performer. You find out that

775
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: not only is she married, but she's married to like

776
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: a can dude from the high school basketball team. Like

777
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: she's got so much potential and she's locked down in

778
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: this little town of Tree Hill, and he has the

779
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: tools to liberate her and give her her heart's desire.

780
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: Like he's not totally wrong, And that's what's great about

781
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: our show is that nobody's ever totally wrong. Like when

782
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: Peyton and Lucas are hooking up behind Brooks back, there

783
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: is a thing there, Is it bad? Yep? Is it real? Yep?

784
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: And so Chris Keller isn't being a monster. He's being

785
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: a human that sees a girl with so much potential,

786
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: and he likes it and he wants more for her.

787
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: I love it, you see that. That's so cool. That's

788
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: what I love about our show, guys, And it is.

789
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: That's what it is. There's no just clear villain. Even Dan,

790
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: who is obviously the clear villain. He still has so

791
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: handsome with that hair, kind is so good. But he

792
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: still has all these moments, has and has had all

793
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: these moments where we're like, oh, I get it, I

794
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: know where he's come on. You know it's hard, But

795
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: do you, guys think that that's one of the reasons

796
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: that our show has stayed evergreen because it does remind you,

797
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: no matter how much someone's behavior hurts you or enrages

798
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: you or confuses you, it reminds you to look at

799
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: people and ask, well, what's going on with you? Where

800
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: are they coming from, where are you coming from? Why

801
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: did you do this? What am I not seeing it?

802
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: It has encouraged so many people two look beyond just

803
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: the present moment with someone and keep investing and dig

804
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: in and do the work. And I don't know, I

805
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: think it's for that reason that well, even after I

806
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: did therapy, after I left one trio, the note I

807
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: kept getting was the people that you keep trying to

808
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: push out, invite them in, like, like, figure out what's

809
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: making them hurt, and you will feel less slided. And

810
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: that is the note of our show. Figure out what

811
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: is making that other person hurt, and then you can

812
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: make a decision whether they're being an asshole or they're

813
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: being a scared puppy, you know, his empathy. That's that's

814
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: ultimately what it's teaching everyone, right, and teaching us. I mean,

815
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're doing as actors to majorly actually,

816
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: But by the way, some people will just be like,

817
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: it's fair to arrive at that decision. There's very few people.

818
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Sorry that My wine just kicked in and I realized

819
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I was like talking like this, and I said something

820
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: turning into Rome and Michelle. I was in the middle,

821
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I watched Bill and Ted's Excellent

822
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: Adventure last night for the first time, with which be

823
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: excellent to each other. Joy. I was mid sentence my

824
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: brain shut down. So that was great anyway, you know,

825
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: But you were saying, and you were right, you were

826
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: saying that as actors, that is our jobs, right, we

827
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: have to have empathy, not only for our scene partners

828
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: in in scenes, but with our own characters, and it's

829
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: something I love it so much. I had Connie Britton

830
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: on Work in Progress after White Lotus and I was like,

831
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: real questions for you. She's so good and we were

832
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: talking about the themes of that show and how unlikable

833
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: this woman and some of these characters could be, and

834
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: she said, yeah, no, I never judge my characters, That's right,

835
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: no matter what they're doing, no matter how terrible they are.

836
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes as actors, we have to sign up to play

837
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: actually terrible people, to make examples of them and their

838
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: terrible ideas. And yet you can't judge your character if

839
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: you really want to play them. So we are required

840
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: to find more empathy, not only for the people we

841
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: agree with, but for the people we disagree with. It's

842
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: literally our loving your enemy concept in action. In a

843
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: lot of ways, we just step outside of your own

844
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: perspective and see where someone else is coming from. How

845
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: did you do it? Joy? When you had to admit

846
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: to Nathan that you kissed Chris because that is a

847
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: bomb shell in this episode, you spend a whole episode

848
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: hiding it from Nathan. You blame it on your sister,

849
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: you brush it off, you tell me, you tell Peyton

850
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: that like Chris kissed me, you know. And then finally

851
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: with Nathan, you've got to tell him. Yeah. Do you

852
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: remember shooting that scene? You did so good? Baby, it

853
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I I remember it in some way. There's

854
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: a recess in my mind where I am there. I don't. Yeah,

855
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean I've been in that apartment so many times.

856
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just making that, but it is. It is

857
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: hard to admit something that's shameful. That's always hard, and

858
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: especially to the person who you know it's going to

859
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: hurt the most. Yeah. I appreciated that Haley didn't try

860
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: and excuse it away or um, brush past it. But

861
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, she really just sat with it and nodded

862
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: her head. And I mean she yes, of course she

863
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: tried to put some context with it, but it wasn't like, hey,

864
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: it's not like I slept with him. Like it's not

865
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: that big of a you know. I mean, she knew

866
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: what she did. Yeah. And also for Haley to be

867
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: lying to someone that is really important to her, She's

868
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: never done that before. She's always been the good girl. Um,

869
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: that's how it is, right, one lie and just it's

870
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: always spirals. You can't it's never just one. You think

871
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: it's just one, and then you pull the thread and

872
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: the whole thing comes unraveled. The way you held the

873
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: back of his head as you said yes, and you

874
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: were like really trying to get him to stay in

875
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: it with you. Oh and we all, god, that's what.

876
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: I started sweating so bad, and I was just like

877
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: we were all like, don't touch him, don't touch him.

878
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: But oh god, oh god, because because you know, you

879
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: have you been on the receiving end of that and

880
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: the person reaching out and trying to touch you, nopes,

881
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: like get your hands off of me. Yeah, I mean

882
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: it was you guys did a really really good job

883
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: in this episode. And then Nathan, you know, looking at

884
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: the bench at the river walk and running home, why

885
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: so good on the slow motion of the keyboard. And

886
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for the bracelet, Sophie and I

887
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't remember the bracelet. I totally forgot about that. That's

888
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: a big move. But you know what, if he said

889
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: it's over, that's what she believes, and that's true of

890
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of men are like that, like

891
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: once they make up their mind, there's really No, it's

892
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: like a switch goes off, a wall goes down. There's

893
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: no way to rewind that. I think I disagree. Really,

894
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: I think men. I think men say they're done and

895
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: they don't made it. I think when when a woman

896
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: says we are done here, that's when it's like dead

897
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: and final friendy. That hasn't been my experience. But so

898
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's not gender specific. I don't know. I guess

899
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I guess it's not. Yeah, it's just how stubborn are you?

900
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: What's your zodiac Signny? That's funny. Oh yeah, boys can

901
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: be coerced, Joy, I'll teach you all the tricks there.

902
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: They're monsters. Well she did for Nathan. Yeah, I hated

903
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: that for Nathan too. That was so hard to see

904
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: that bracelets sitting on the table and just knowing that

905
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: she was like, I accept your resignation. Although Sophie and

906
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: I fully enjoyed the palpable energy when you approached that

907
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: tour bus, and Chris Keller was like, say what it

908
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: was steaming and not just the exhaust from the bus.

909
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep up with Joy, you know,

910
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: But seriously, like you walking up there, another really good shot,

911
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the girls leave, Michelle and Jess, and

912
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, it felt very real, like everybody's packing up,

913
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: it's time to go, and there you are, and and

914
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: and you said it to him, you need to do

915
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: this for you. Yeah, and she had to. I think

916
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: that bag though, like, what did you do this tour?

917
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: That bag was so small it was Hayley is an

918
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: expert packer. If nothing else, that girl is efficient. She's like,

919
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear the same baby doll T shirt and

920
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: what did you came? By the way, what did you

921
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: wear on that actual tour? Did you have like a

922
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: go to like cool girl? Get my gosh, I did.

923
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: It was the rainbow dress that I bought at some

924
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: vintage store in New York when I was living there

925
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand and it was I still have it,

926
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: have it. I love that dress so much. So it's

927
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: a paper fin but you know I were a slip

928
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: underneath it. It It was beautiful. Even better. Yeah, I've got it.

929
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: Um Well, I loved this episode. I'm really excited to

930
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: find out the next one. What is the next one?

931
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: The quiet things that no one ever knows? We got

932
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: more Jake, we got Hayley and Nathan, we got move Brook. Hey, yeah,

933
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: the election is like happening full swing. Yeah, this is

934
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: going to be a big deal. I'm excited. Um, should

935
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: we spin a wheel? Guys? Okay, I might sneeze. Who

936
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: is most likely to forget where they parked their car? Alright? Alright, alright, alright,

937
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: which character is most likely to forget where they parked

938
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: their car? I mean that's a Bevan thing. I ever

939
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: I heard that makes sense? Yeah, but so anybody else. Yeah,

940
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: I was. I was going to go deep into the

941
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: last seasons of the show and say Julian, but that

942
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: felt kind of dark. Poor Julie. You're not wrong female option. Yeah,

943
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm so used to valet um. I don't agree in

944
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: real life. Have you ever lost your vehicle constantly? Joy

945
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: of obviously, Oh my god, that's the Joy and I

946
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: have had some car adventures. I just want to say

947
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: I endorsed Joy from most likely to where she parked

948
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: her car? Wasn't It wasn't called Joy bitter for no reason.

949
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be your friend with the iPhone

950
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: to take pictures of your parking spots in the garage.

951
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm as you now, like I've lost it so many

952
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: times that now I know to do that, and that

953
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: I can't talk on the phone or talk to the

954
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: person that I'm with when I parked my car and

955
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: when we walk away, it's like just I have to

956
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: turn around and to take the mental picture, I have

957
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: to look at the numbers and all the things. So

958
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: now I generally do that. When we did our drama

959
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: Queen's photo shoot and you drove and you wanted to

960
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: get sushi and we had to take a picture, yes

961
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: we did because we were in that underground parking structure

962
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: when everything looks like, guys, I'm never going to find

963
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: my way, It's fine, It's fine, My god, you don't

964
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: need to. That's why we have technology. Joy, Thank god

965
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: that Hey. I love your faces, you guys, and we

966
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: love all of you. Come back next week. We can't

967
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: wait to talk about some more. Good night. Hey, thanks

968
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440
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970
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971
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972
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,920
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973
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974
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975
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