1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to a special edition of the Nodungs podcast. I'm 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Lee Elis, I'm here with Task Trey and the man 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: making the Magic happen JD. If you're an NBA fan, 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: then you're familiar with the work of our guest today. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Although you might not know it, he's been in the 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: league since nineteen eighty four. No, it's not Michael Jordan. 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Although he's worked with MJ thousands of times. The game 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: has been good to him. It's allowed him to travel 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: the world and he's been to every All Star Weekend 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: and Finals since nineteen eighty six, and everywhere he goes 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: he always has the best memories because he takes the 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: best photos. He is NBA photographer Nathaniel Butler. Nah, thanks 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: for joining us today. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Oh guys, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure, sonat. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Let's start with what everyone's talking about right now, the 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Last Dance, because you're in it. You're feature in it 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: a couple of times. There we see you in those 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: scrums there and huddles taking photos. But also one of 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: your photos is being used as the promotion. It's that 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: one where Michael and Scotty are just about to dap 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: up there pool. Is it to see some of your 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: work used in a promotion for such a big event 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: and a big, big topic that everyone's talking about right now, You. 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Know what, It's always exciting to see your your work 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: being utilized. Obviously, all eyes are on this dark now 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: because of of who it who it is and MJ 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: and the and the bulls. The storyline is so compelling. 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: Every every day, every episode, there's a different storyline and 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: it's cool to see, uh, to see our photos used 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: throughout the piece. 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's bringing back a lot of memories for 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: you just being around the team and what that time 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: was like, you know, being around those Champions Chip celebrations again, 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: seeing Jordan and Phil and Scotty and that all together. 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: What was it your most favorite memory of that time 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: or specifically with Michael? 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: You know what a difficult question to just have a favorite. 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to be around for most of 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: those moments, and you're right, it just brings back a 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: flood of different memories. For me. It was always fun 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: and I still enjoy it to this day, just being 42 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: a fly on the wall kind of you know, as 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: a fan, it's cool listening to the stories in real 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: time the guy's rehashing and then you know, to be 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: able to have the opportunity to document things has just 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: been a pleasure for me. There was the scene of 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: Michael in his hotel room on the couch smoking a cigar. 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: He was saying he was, you know, a little tired 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: to wear and tear mentally physically, and just you know, 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: was I was in that room with you know, two 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: or three video guys and just you know, for the 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: fan in me, it's exciting to be part of that. 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: And then you look back on it twenty some years 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: later and you're you're documenting, you're documenting the history of 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: the NBA. 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that I glad you brought that up, because that's 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to talk to you about. We 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: see Michael a lot in this documentary, you know, either 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: on the court playing or in some sort of practice 60 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, atmosphere, or he's in a business suit and 61 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: he's trying to be professional and you know he's dealing 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: with perhaps it's a sponsor or a promotion or something. 63 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: But in that scene, he looks like a guy who's 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: just exhausted and he's just kind of he's ready to 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: sort of take a break from the game, and we 66 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: don't see a lot of that. So, you know, when 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the cameras weren't rolling, you know what was the Michael 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: Jordan that you knew that we wouldn't see necessarily that 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: on this documentary. 70 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: You know what, He's just a good guy. Like there 71 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: were many times where we were there and I had 72 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: the benefit of, you know, tagging along with the film crew, 73 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: and honestly, that made my job a little easier because 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: I was just tagging along. I wasn't the one making 75 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: the arrangements or talking to him to set up. Hey 76 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: make what are you doing after practice? Can we come 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: up to your room? You know, that type of thing 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: that the producers were doing. I just, as part of 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: the crew oftentimes just tagged along. So for me personally, 80 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: that made it a little easier. You know, I wasn't 81 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: asking for favors or asking for certain things. I was 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: just there. But it was just just a good guy. 83 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: And I think even to this stay, I've been doing 84 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: this for so long. I love those moments, whether it's 85 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: in the hotel room or in the locker room, you know, 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: getting taped before a game, getting his head together. He 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: would have a cup of tea, you know, in the 88 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: locker room he would he would be in the training room, 89 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: getting you know, your head together, your thoughts together, and 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: it's just, you know, looking back on it, it's just 91 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: remarkable the way mentally Michael in particular would prepare himself 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: for every game or every practice or whatever you know 93 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 2: he had going on, because you really lies, I think 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: the mental grind of things. We all know how long 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: the NBA season is, but mentally getting ready for those 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: games and stuff, it's just remarkable to me. 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: Now, you've been to every finals since eighty six, which 98 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: means you were there for the first Bowls Championship in 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: ninety one and then obviously again in ninety eight. How 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: much harder did your job get over that time span 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: as Jordan's profile rose and rose to become a global superstar, 102 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: one of the most famous guys on the planet by 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 3: the time he retired for the second time in nineteen 104 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: ninety eight. Was it getting tough to get access or 105 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: were you just lucky enough to be to have that 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: backstage basically that backstage passed to see the intimate moments 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: of Michael's life, And I mean, was the crush just 108 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: immense for you? 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: As well. Yes, it was and similar similar to you 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: guys trying to get a SoundBite from him instead of 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, maybe ten or fifteen people huddled around him 112 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: after a shoot around or after practice or after you know, 113 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: a media session. You know, by ninety eight, there was 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: hundreds of people around, So it did become more difficult 115 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: just because of the sheer numbers of people involved. You know, 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: pulling up to the Burdo Center or something for a 117 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: Bulls practice and you see you know, five or six 118 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: national TV trucks, a sixty minutes truck because this that 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: whatever doing, you know, covering Michael by that time, and 120 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: it did become a little more difficult, a little more challenging. 121 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: Like I'm sure you guys in the you know, print 122 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: media and stuff can relate to all of that as well. Well. 123 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: You mentioned the mental aspect for Michael Jordan, how taxing 124 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 4: it must have been, and being around him you could 125 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 4: feel that. You've also photographed a lot of the moments 126 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: where the Bulls took it to the New York Knicks 127 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: and watching the last dance, I went, I worry about 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: the mental capacity of the New York Knicks. In your estimation, 129 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: how many times do you think you photographed the Chicago 130 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 4: Bulls doing serious damage to the New York Knicks. 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: Growing up a Knicks fan, I stopped after the game. 132 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Maybe I ran out of fingers to count, but it 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: is cool to look back on this stuff. They didn't 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: roll over the Knicks, you know, and we're tough and 135 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: and I think in what was it the last episode 136 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: of five or six when when they said that the 137 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: Knicks were, you know, one of their biggest challenges to 138 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: winning another title. You know, I don't think I don't 139 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: think people would say the Knicks were the second best 140 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: team in the league, but they were. They were right there, 141 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: you know, and they're up to one series two oh 142 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: and people always talk about the Charles Smith stuff, but there's, 143 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: as you know, there's many aspects that go into the game, 144 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: and that to me, that makes it all the more compelling. 145 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I grew up a Knicks fan, a 146 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: huge Patrick Ewing fan. I did a post the other 147 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: day of John Stark's of of the way he's bodying 148 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: up Michael on every possession. It's like the Knicks. The 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Knicks were as tough as they could get. Similarly, you know, 150 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: they talked about uh, you know, going through the Bad Boys. 151 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: They beat they finally beat Detroit. The Knicks were right there, 152 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: you know, and you know that's that's sports. They they 153 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: they were not able to get over the hump, you know, 154 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: but I think you know, in a in a different universe, 155 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: a play here or there, who who knows, you know, 156 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: it's a different it's a different story. 157 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: One of the big topics that came out of the 158 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Last Dance episode five and six over the weekend, we 159 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: saw about, you know, during that series in ninety three, 160 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: when Michael went to Atlantic City. You know, it was 161 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: a big story. He went gambling. You know, do you 162 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: remember the feeling around you know, both teams. I guess 163 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: at that time where you know, perhaps Michael was showing 164 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: that he's got a weakness and this was the next 165 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: chance to win. I mean, they obviously went to up 166 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: in that series before losing in six. But you know, 167 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: do you remember was there a shifting, you know, feeling 168 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: that perhaps this was the next time that they were 169 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: going to break through and finally get over the Jordan hump? 170 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. The the it's hard to to 171 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: to speak about how electrifying New York was or the 172 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: Garden was at that time, you know, those those you know, 173 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: Saturday like afternoon if it's Memorial Day weekend or something, 174 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: a Saturday afternoon game and then a Monday afternoon game. 175 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: Like the the intensity and the excitement surrounding everything was 176 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: all focused on those games at the Garden, you know. 177 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: And yes, like you know, you're a fan, you're you're 178 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: rooting for your your team. You're up too. Oh, and 179 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: you said, maybe maybe this is it, Maybe this is it, 180 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: you know, and you know they talk about that starts dunk. Yes, 181 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: the Knicks lost the series, but it's one of the 182 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: most compelling moments if you're if you're a Knicks fan, 183 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: it's an unbelievable moment. And the ceiling of the garden 184 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: like blew off with the noise of the crowd at 185 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: a moment like that, you know, and it's just exciting. Yeah. 186 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: So so you know, when you're you're there to photography, 187 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: you know, take photos of the game. But you're a 188 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: Knicks fan. It's a great series, you know, it's a 189 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: great moment. Do you ever find yourself distracted just watching 190 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: the game rather than taking photos? And has there been 191 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: a something happened an incident way like, oh damn, I 192 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: was just too busy watching the game rather than sort 193 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: of trying to shoot the shot that was coming. 194 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: You know. And thankfully no, because literally, like for me personally, 195 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: you were in such a zone focusing on your job 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: and the task at hand. Oftentimes during a timeout, I 197 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: have to look up at the at the scoreboard to 198 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: see the score, like to you know, you need to 199 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: know like score time out, how much time is left, 200 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: things like the obvious like that. But I'm in such 201 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: a zone when I'm when I'm working that I really 202 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: you can't allow yourself to get lost in the moment 203 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: at all, because then then you're you're screwed. It's too late. 204 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: If you miss something like that, you know, a key 205 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: play or something, then you won't be around too long. 206 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: Well that's pretty interesting to say, because as a Knicks fan, 207 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: you did get the John Starks dunk, and it did 208 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: go on the cover of Sports Illustrated. When you see that, 209 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: when you look back, maybe at the end of the 210 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: night and you see that you got the perfect shot 211 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: of a huge iconic Knicks play like that, are you 212 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: cheering to yourself or you're like, yes, this is awesome. 213 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: I'm so happy that I actually got this picture of 214 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: this huge moment. 215 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: You're always pleased similarly, like not comparing myself to one 216 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: of the athletes or anything. But you really have to 217 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: not get too high, not get too low. You know, 218 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: there are some games that you don't get as good 219 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: as stuff as you had hoped, Like you're not out 220 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: there orchestrating posing the guys. Sometimes you know a play 221 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: like that, like sometimes the referee you get half their 222 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: leg in the frame, or there there's an ancillary player 223 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 2: in the frame that sort of makes the picture less dynamic. 224 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: You know. So obviously you are pleased, but you can't 225 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: get too hired to know. In those days. Also, we're 226 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: shooting film, so you may think you have it, but 227 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: you're not going to jinx it until you know the 228 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: game's over. You go to the lab and it's two 229 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: hours later, you see the you see the film. It's 230 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: not like the instant gratification of how it is with 231 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: digital now. 232 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's been the biggest transformation in the 233 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: business view now that you know everything is like that 234 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: as soon as you take a shot. So what is 235 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: the process if you can talk us through that, you know, 236 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: you take a photo and then does it get instantly 237 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: uploaded to you know, a database somewhere or do you 238 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: have to go through a process to get those pictures 239 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: available because oftentimes now during an NBA game, if something happens, 240 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: the photos are up immediately. 241 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: So so how does that process work. It's uh, things 242 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: have changed, have changed tremendously. And you know, similar when 243 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: they when you're watching a game and they're like, oh, 244 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: let's go to Secaucus for the replay with with the referees, 245 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: all of our all of our photos go to Secaucus. 246 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: We have a we have a photo department and editors 247 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: working all night going through the going through our live 248 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: it's it's really live intake of photos. So that has 249 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: changed a lot. It requires a ridiculous amount of preparation 250 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: every game because the cameras are all literally wired through 251 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: an ethernet to go back to Secaucus. Like I go 252 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: to a seven thirty game at two o'clock in the 253 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: afternoon to prep and get all the cameras ready for that. 254 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: But the difference is, as you mentioned, I take, I 255 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: press the button and literally two to three seconds later 256 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: that image shows up in in Secaucus to the editor 257 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: and then they can push it out on NBA social media. 258 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: They push it out to the different teams, so the 259 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: teams push it out and it's funny. I don't have 260 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: time to literally look at my cameras during the game, 261 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: but all of a sudden, I see my phone blowing 262 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: up or something. If you get a shot, and then 263 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: it's out literally on NBA social media. Who has thirty 264 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: million uh, you know Instagram followers and then my phone 265 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: starts blowing up. No, not six shot or something. It's like, okay, 266 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: what you know? Stuff like that is cool. It's an 267 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: entirely different process than what it used to be with film, 268 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: for sure. 269 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: So do you own your photos or are they property 270 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: of the NBA? I mean you're you're working, I guess 271 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: for the NBA. So like, would you be able to 272 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: upload a photo yourself to your own social channel or 273 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: does it have to go through the NBA you sort 274 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: of approval process first, you know. 275 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: It typically it goes through the NBA first, And you know, 276 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: NBA is always like we've worked together for a long time. 277 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: NBA has a licensing agreement with Getty Images where Getty 278 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: uh license licenses the photos out on behalf of the 279 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: n b A. So typically what I do is once 280 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: a picture has already been out, Uh, then I can 281 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: put it out on my you know, my Instagram or something. 282 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: But it's not really it's not really proper if I 283 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: held it back and I put it out on my 284 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: channels before it went out, because because I'm I'm working 285 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: for the n b A and and they're you know, 286 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: they're the ones that that who we're, who we're working for, 287 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: So we have a we have a very you know, 288 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: a very good understanding and relationship that way. 289 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you must have a pretty big catalog though, I 290 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: imagine at home on on discs and hard drives and 291 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: things like that. Do you have any idea how many 292 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: photos you have sort of stored and if so, how 293 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: many How do you catalog everything that you do? 294 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: You know what, it's a very good question because again, 295 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: going to film, back to film with digital digital, it's 296 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: very easy to make copies of things because you're just 297 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: you're just literally copying over a file. So I started, 298 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: I was a hold out. I held that as long 299 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: as possible because I just loved how the film looked. 300 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: It was so beautiful. But I do have a great 301 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: person that I that I work with to help store 302 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: things everything. All of the digital stuff is very easily 303 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: cataloged by game, by date, by player, so you can 304 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: use different search tools. You type in a name and 305 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: the images pop up. The downside with film, and a 306 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: lot of the younger people don't understand, film is one 307 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: of one, you know, so you take a picture, you 308 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: have that piece of film, but then a client from 309 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: the NBA wants to use that photo or something. They 310 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: would send it to the client for this magazine, that magazine, whatever, 311 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: and then you had to really put in a lot 312 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: of effort to make sure that you get that back. 313 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: And it's harder to it's harder to catalog because it's 314 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: one of one. So that makes it a little more 315 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: a little more difficult with some of the older stuff. 316 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: Quite honestly, is there a missing piece of film that 317 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: you wish you could get back that you've been trying 318 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: to track down for any sort of time. 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: We're not going to go there because I'm having a 320 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: conversation with you guys. A crazy story in general though, 321 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you can relate to it. You guys 322 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: have been around for a while. Back in the day, 323 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: it was sort of frowned upon to have too much 324 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: champagne and too many cigars and stuff in some of 325 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: these celebration pictures. So a lot of that was literally 326 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: thrown out because NBA wanted to, you know, paint this 327 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 2: image of a more wholesome league, and you do understand it, 328 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: and then literally film thrown out or destroyed. So it doesn't, 329 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, fall into someone else's hands and see things published. 330 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: But stuff like that, Now, obviously I wish I had that. 331 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: You know, now they have a sponsor for the whoever's 332 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: doing the champagne. You know, that's how things have changed. 333 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: It probably have a cigar sponsor or, a goggle sponsor, 334 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: so things have changed quite a bit. But you do 335 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: wish you had some of those crazy, you know, bedlam 336 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: champagne everywhere kind of photos. For sure. 337 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned the goggles because I've seen people 338 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: mention while watching the Last Dance that having no goggles 339 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: actually adds to the photo a little bit, seeing the 340 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 4: guy's eyes as they celebrate. 341 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that one hundred percent? And being 342 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: in there and getting waxed many times with champagne campaigne, 343 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: it's not something people can relate to the Champagne sing 344 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: your eyes are earning, you know, but it does lend 345 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: itself to more of a real moment for sure, you know. 346 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: And similarly with our cameras in those situations, we've done 347 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: all kinds of you know, different testing. You put a 348 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: housing on it so it doesn't get you know, wet 349 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: or destroyed or this and that, but it does it 350 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: takes away from the from the quality of the of 351 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: the photo. So literally I go in with two cameras 352 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: and in case one gets lasted too much and shut down, 353 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: you go to the other. But like you know, you 354 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: can't really you can't really use too many of the 355 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: protective type covers because it takes away from the from 356 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: the quality of the picture. 357 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned the NBA worrying about the image they're 358 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: they're putting out in terms of celebrations. Has there ever 359 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 4: been a moment where you yourself vetted against yourself and 360 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 4: you said, you know what, I'm not going to take 361 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: this photo or does it really matter because the NBA 362 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 4: would eventually go through them anyways, Is there was there 363 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: a scenario out there where you you didn't click your. 364 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: Fingers there There are different times where you have to 365 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 2: make a judgment call do you do you you know, 366 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: take the take the picture? Do you not take the picture? 367 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: To be honest, I've always been very sensitive about the 368 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: guys with their families and kids and stuff, and you know, 369 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: let them have a moment they're hugging their kids or something, 370 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: and I don't. I literally don't take the picture of 371 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: guys in the locker room eating or something. There are 372 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: certain things that for me personally, I don't really I 373 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: think it. You have to you have to be smart 374 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: as to when when to like just sit back and 375 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: not do that. You know, and sometimes you do, you 376 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: do miss moments, but I think in terms of longevity 377 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: and I'm going to see them again next week or something, 378 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: you know, it's not really prudent to overstep in those situations. 379 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Having been around the game in the league for so 380 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: long now, I mean obviously a lot of players do 381 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: recognize you and they know obviously your work. Are you 382 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: ever in a situation where you're taking a photo of 383 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: a particular player, maybe you postgame or even pregame when 384 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: they're walking to the through the tunnel there where they 385 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: sort of say, hey, now quick, give me that photo 386 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: so I can put it up on my own social media, 387 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: like do they do They sort of say, hey, give 388 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: me give me access to that photo as quick as 389 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: you can. 390 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's that's been a big that's been a 391 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: big change in our our workflow in the past couple 392 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: of years. We used to do those you know, those 393 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: walk in shots for the finals or something All Star game, 394 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: but now it's pretty much every game. Uh, it's become 395 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: a big part of you know, what they're wearing. Sneaker 396 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: popularity has driven a lot of that stuff. Oh he's 397 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: wearing you know, these kicks into the game, he's wearing 398 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: a watch or something, and you know, the guys, the 399 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: guys walk by and then I, you know, I get 400 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: a text or hey when can I get the picture? 401 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: And I was like, can you focus on the game? 402 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm working, I get a text from somebody, Hey, I'm 403 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: coming in ten minutes, you know, can you be ready? 404 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: And it's just kind of funny. It's a different it's 405 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: a different world, Like these are twenty somethings now that 406 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: social media is an entirely different, a different, you know world. 407 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: I made a comment the other day. I was speaking 408 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: to someone about because we're always at the arenas early 409 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: like doing our prep and doing our setup. And I 410 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: wish I had a picture of in the old Boston 411 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: Garden Larry Bird walking into the arena. It was an 412 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: old wooden ramp walking up. Oftentimes he had a ball 413 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: under his arm and converse sneakers in his other hand. Like, 414 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 2: how cool a picture that that. I didn't take that 415 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: picture because he would have walked over and like punched 416 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: me in the face or something. You know, it's a 417 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: different it's a different it's a different world with with 418 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, you know, and it's sort of cool. 419 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: It has. It has opened up a whole new area 420 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: where literally these guys are are on a red carpet 421 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: before every game and if they if they don't want to, 422 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: that's cool too. Joe Harris from the Nets used to 423 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: take the subway to games and come in a different doors. 424 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: He's not into it, you know, someone like someone like 425 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: Kyle Cooton like he'll he'll he's like dressed to the 426 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: nines every every time. It's part of his persona. You know. 427 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: They're into their into fashion and stuff. So it's cool. 428 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. You talk about Larry but I can't 429 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: of imagine him ever hitting up anyone and saying quick, 430 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: you've got to get a photo of I mean, look 431 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: at my best year. But speaking of the Boston Garden, 432 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: you tweeted not too long ago, a couple of weeks 433 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: ago about it was that Jordan game I believe was 434 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: when he scored the sixty three points and how the 435 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: lighting in that arena just made the shots look cooler. 436 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's an. 437 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: Older arena, of course, but nowadays, do the arenas have 438 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: different lighting that affects the way that you have to 439 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: adjust for the shots that you make or is that 440 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: something now that's pretty much standard across the board. 441 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: No, that's a that's a great question because people often, 442 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, they look at the older film and say, oh, 443 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: I want to recreate that look, and it's you can't 444 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: necessarily do that, even with all the you know, different 445 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: tools and stuff that we have, and you know, we 446 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: can't when we're shooting for MBA and shooting, like I 447 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: said earlier, they have an arrangement with Getty Images to licenses, 448 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: we can't ever manipulate any of the photos. So what 449 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: you see of ours is literally right out of the camera. 450 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: You can't photoshop, you know, or darken this or fix that. 451 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: So you have to you have to really be on 452 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: the money right out of the box with that stuff. 453 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: And different arenas, the lighting is is different. Uh, some 454 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: of those older buildings Boston Gardens, Chicago Stadium, they were 455 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: you know, we have strobe lights up in the ceiling 456 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: and where they're placed and the distance they are from 457 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: the court. Things like that are vastly different from you know, 458 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: stay a Staples Center. That's a huge, cavernous kind of place, 459 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: you know. So they are Each arena is a little 460 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: bit different. Some look better than others. Those bulls red 461 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: uniforms looked good in a lot of places, you know, 462 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: with the colors of the old Madison the Madison Square Garden, 463 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: you know, the lighting looks different there. A lot of 464 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: arenas have tried to almost almost replicate more of a 465 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: theatrical stage kind of lighting that they have in certain arenas. 466 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite arena to shoot in now? 467 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: Current arena? 468 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: You know, I like the challenge of shooting in all 469 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: of the different arenas. To be honest, I'm based in 470 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: New York, so I love Barclays Center because that allows 471 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: you to do some different things with lighting. The garden. 472 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: I'll always have a soft spot for the Garden, But 473 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: I would have to say Barclays and the Garden currently 474 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: because I'm there the most now too. 475 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: So what about when you go on the road, because 476 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: you've traveled a lot through basketball. I saw you in 477 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Melbourne just last year, we were out there for the 478 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: USA Australia Games, and then you went on too China, 479 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: and of course you've been to Europe for the Barcelona 480 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: Olympic is one of the more notable ones. So do 481 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: you try to like find out about the environments you'll 482 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: be shooting in there to to see what sort of 483 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: equipment you need to bring or is it like you 484 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: just sort of turn up and then figure it out 485 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: once you get there. 486 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: A little of both. A lot of times internationally we're 487 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: not using you know, what we call the strobe lights, 488 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: so you're you just need to get which we have 489 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: in the NBA arenas. You're you're just trying to get 490 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 2: dialed in to the right color, temperature and things of 491 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: that sort in these in these different arenas, and again 492 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: some just by the physical construction of the buildings, some 493 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: look different than others. Things like the Olympics. Now they 494 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: do such a good job because everything is driven by 495 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: TV and stuff. They do such a good job of 496 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: lighting the buildings that it pretty much always looks nice. 497 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: Back in the day, some of the buildings were pretty 498 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: sketchy on some of those those European trips and things, 499 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: you know, you never knew really what to expect. 500 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: Speaking of the ninety two Olympics, you recently posted a 501 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: bunch of Team USA candids, you know, like Jordan's drinking 502 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: the gate raide, Scott, he's kind of tipping his cap, 503 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: Larry Bird is smiling at the camera. Is there anybody 504 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: from that dream team who people would be surprised? Is 505 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: really personal, really fun to be taking pictures of. 506 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: That was just such a unique time because they no 507 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: one really knew what to expect, you know, and then 508 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: the guys were together like five weeks or something, and 509 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: it was just like one of the one of the 510 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: things that developed over that the course of that time, 511 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: there was a crazy friendship that developed between Patrick Ewing 512 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: and Larry Bird. For whatever reason, like Bird was a 513 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: little cooked, his back was really bothering him, you know, 514 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: and he couldn't physically do what he once could, but 515 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: he and he and Patrick hit it off, and Patrick 516 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: had this reputation of kind of being standoffish or whatever, 517 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: and he really wasn't, you know, good good sense of humor. 518 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: Everyone knew Barkley was, you know, the the class clown. 519 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: Not in a derogatory way, but he was going to 520 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: speak his mind. He was the one out on the 521 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: ROMB list every night. You know. You know, you get 522 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: to know the guys, the different personalities of the guys 523 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: because you're together for so long, you know. So that 524 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: was again as a fan, being part of that, it 525 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: was like you were traveling with the Beatles. 526 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: Well, speaking of physically struggling, you mentioned Larry Bird there, 527 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: have you ever physically been run into by a player? 528 00:30:53,040 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: Yes, thankfully, I've never been seriously injured, and more importantly, 529 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: a player has never been, you know, injured. It's always 530 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of a you know, a little bit 531 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: of a battle me doing my yoga to stay to 532 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: stay wimbler. And I'm not twenty five years old anymore. 533 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: But literally, you know, people love basketball shots. There's a 534 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: lot that goes into it. But we are you know, 535 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: they are ridiculous athletes. They don't have a helmet on. 536 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: You can see their face, you can see their bodies, 537 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: like but physically we are you know, ten feet away 538 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: from them, so it's pretty it's pretty tight quarters. You 539 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: guys have been to the finals and stuff and you 540 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: see the crush of people. And NBA is always doing 541 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: a good job in terms of, you know, addressing you know, 542 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: player safety and things as to where you know, TV 543 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 2: cameras and where US photographers are sitting on the baseline 544 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: and stuff, because there's a fine line there. You don't 545 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: you don't want to be a danger to the players, 546 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: but you want to do your job and put these 547 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: put these great images out there that show the guys 548 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: doing what they do. 549 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's a that's an interesting one because anytime 550 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: you see a player kind of take a dive into 551 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: the stands, it sort of starts that debate again, like 552 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: maybe the cameras are too closed and now there's is 553 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: there too many people too close to the action that 554 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: could cause an injury? You know? Are you involved in 555 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: discussions about that with the league, about you know, keeping 556 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: keeping it a safe distance and perhaps even altering it 557 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, after an incident happens. 558 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: Uh, there are there are always ongoing discussions. Sometimes I'm involved, 559 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: sometimes not because the NBA, as you know is as 560 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: an organization is pretty proactive with things of that sort. 561 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: You know, the players, everyone knows the game is the players, 562 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: you know, and whether it's us or fans or you know. 563 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes you see you know, of food service person getting 564 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: run into, you know, on the sideline or something. They're 565 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: always evalue eating those tapes of things. 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That's get Roman dot com 646 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 4: slash no dunks for a free online visit and free 647 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 4: two day shipping. 648 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: As far as right now, you know with social media 649 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: that the explosion of social media in the last five 650 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: to ten years, I mean everyone's a photographer these days, 651 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: and you know you talked about how your photos aren't 652 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: top stop it all or photoshoped in any way that 653 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: go to getty. 654 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: But do you feel now, you. 655 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: Know, the competition from every single team social media outlet 656 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: and people are all trying to clamber around to get 657 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: the best shot. Is there a feeling that perhaps there's 658 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: too many people, you know, trying to sort of get 659 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: in the in the face and get that that one 660 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: shot that they're looking for. 661 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, good question, because I think I think it's great 662 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: to have. You know, I did a post not too 663 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: long ago of I think it was when MJ came 664 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: back with the Wizards, like his first time back with 665 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 2: the Wizards. It was two thousand and two or whatever 666 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 2: was the digital was just starting to catch on and 667 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: I took a frame of it with with a digital 668 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: camera and the quality was brutal. And now now an 669 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: iPhone is twice as good as that picture, you know, 670 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 2: the quality in you know, two thousand and two, which 671 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: is relatively a short period of time. So I think 672 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: it's cool. The technology is always cool to me, and 673 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: it keeps like, like I said, I've been doing this 674 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: a long time, but that keeps me young and fresh, 675 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: and I'm always looking for different things. The one thing, 676 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 2: you know, without sounding like too much of like an 677 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 2: old head, the one thing that has been frustrated, and 678 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys deal with it as well, is 679 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: a lot of the younger people have not really been 680 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: brought up through the process. And there's some etiquette involved, 681 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: you know that you would learn if you started off slowly, uh, 682 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 2: and learn some of the professional etiquette. You know, Like 683 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: you guys, I'm sure you deal with someone from a 684 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 2: team like jumping in front of you with the microphone 685 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: and someone's face, like people with a phone jumping in 686 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: front of us when we're trying to do it. There's 687 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of a you know that is lacking. 688 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't blame them per se, but there 689 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: is sometimes you can you can sit back and watch 690 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 2: and learn instead of being thrust into a situation where 691 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 2: you don't really have much experience. Quite frankly, you know, 692 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: and I think that's better. That's better for everybody. You 693 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: don't have to do a crush, stay back a little bit, 694 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,479 Speaker 2: and you know, give the guys some breathing room. Don't 695 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 2: cut in front of the ten other people that are 696 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 2: trying to do their job. That type of thing. 697 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: You know, what about image stealing? I mean, when you've 698 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: got so many great quality photos out there, but anyone 699 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: can just you know, screenshot anything and put it up 700 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: on their own social media channels and they can get 701 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot of likes and they can you know, generate 702 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 1: revenue maybe from that as well, I mean, without without 703 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: giving the proper credit. I mean, how does that? How 704 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: do you feel about that these days? Because you know, 705 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: again on Instagram especially, there are so many fake accounts 706 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: that just steal video or images from wherever, but they 707 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: have a huge following. 708 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: Right now. It's funny. There's there's there's a couple of 709 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 2: accounts that probably you know, more than hel for eighty 710 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: percent of the shots on their accounts are mine and 711 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: they have they have more followers than I do. And 712 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, what's wrong with this? Uh, it's something 713 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 2: that that I try not to worry about and I 714 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 2: leave that kind of thing to NBA. NBA can deal 715 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: if something is again is negative, and they can they 716 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 2: can perhaps go after some kid who's in his mom's 717 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: basement posting all of our picture. I got to be honest, 718 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 2: I was sort of late to Instagram. I was like, yeah, 719 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: I didn't really pay too much attention to it, and 720 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: then I started, you know, my account because of the 721 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: fact I saw a lot of people capitalizing on my work. 722 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 2: And then I did originally get a little bit of 723 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 2: pushback because I do put a little like Natalie photo 724 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: watermark on the pictures. Not all the time but most 725 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: of the time. And it's not it's not really to 726 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 2: be an ass or anything, but it's just like we 727 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 2: work hard to do what we do. If you want 728 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 2: to use it or you want to do it, be fine, 729 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: but you know, give a little bit of credit to 730 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: to where things originate from. I equate it to like 731 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 2: if someone if someone steals a tweet from somebody instead 732 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 2: of you know, calling it a retweet. If they tweet 733 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 2: that as their own, like people would lose their mind, 734 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 2: you know, Like so photo, why is a photo any different? 735 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 2: You know, it's actually it's not your photo. Give give someone, 736 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: you know a little It boils down to respect. Like 737 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to be an ass about it, 738 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 2: but we work, We work hard to do what we do, 739 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 2: you know, and it boils down to a little bit 740 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 2: of respect. And I don't you know, you can't worry 741 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 2: about it too much. It is a different world nowadays. 742 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 3: So and like you mentioned, everybody is a photographer. Now, 743 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 3: have any players ever approached you for kind of you know, 744 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 3: tips on improving their photography? I remember, like Kevin Durant 745 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 3: was taking pictures at the Super Bowl once upon a time. 746 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 3: So certainly there are guys who would do this as 747 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 3: a hobby. Are they trying to learn from some of 748 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 3: the greatest in the field. 749 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. I typically every year, not this summer, 750 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 2: by the looks of things, but I always enjoyed doing 751 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 2: the best order trips that that are quickly done over 752 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 2: the summer have been to Africa and other other continents 753 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 2: and countries over my time. And the players go, they 754 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 2: bring their family, they bring the cameras, and you have 755 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 2: more time to spend with them, you know, learning about things, 756 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 2: and it's fun for me. You know. Typically the first 757 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 2: thing is like, wow, this is harder than it looks. 758 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 2: You know. You make it look easy and it's harder 759 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 2: than it looks too, you know. But it's funny because 760 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 2: the guys, uh, some of the guys they have, they 761 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: have difficulty with certain cameras because their hands are so big. 762 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,479 Speaker 2: I think things you don't think about, like a nice 763 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: little a nice little camera is great for their wives 764 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 2: or something. When they try to hold it, their their 765 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 2: hands are too big the gap. But it's fun because 766 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 2: like typically those trips, like I said, you get to 767 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 2: spend time with the with the guys uh and and 768 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 2: and get to know them. And that's typically where where 769 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: something like that developed. Kemba Walker is really into photography. 770 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,919 Speaker 2: Tyson Chandler did a safari in Africa and came back 771 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 2: with beautiful photos, you know. So yes, a lot of 772 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 2: the guys are very very creative, you know, and it's 773 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 2: sort of it sort of is in that same vein 774 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 2: the guys are creative with the designing of their sneakers. 775 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 2: Photography is sort of another outlet. As you know, A 776 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 2: couple of the guys are really into music, so it 777 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 2: is a little bit of a creative gene there. 778 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been speaking a lot about MJ smoking his cigars. 779 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 4: You know, over these past few weeks. Has MJ's cigar 780 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 4: smoke ever ruined a shot of yours? Or maybe it's 781 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 4: enhanced a shot of yours? 782 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 2: You know what, it's it's funny what I what I 783 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 2: do recall, and I am not a smoker or a 784 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 2: cigar smoker by any stretch. But whatever he was smoking, 785 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 2: it always smelled good. It was a pretty high You 786 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 2: did not walk into the room and gag from a 787 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 2: bad smell. It was like, wow, that smelled really nice, 788 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 2: like somebody, whether it was a mod or I'm sure 789 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 2: Michael has a few connections. They were smoking some pretty 790 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 2: high end cigars because again, it just smelled really nice. 791 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: So he never he never asked you if you wanted 792 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: to jump on a cigar there. 793 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 2: With him, You know what, I wouldn't want to embarrass 794 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 2: myself and like off and the eyes turn red or whatever. 795 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 2: You know. I think that was that was like that, 796 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 2: looking back on things, it had to be part of 797 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 2: his like a little bit of his relaxation mode or something, 798 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, and that's what he did, ye know. 799 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: So talking earlier as well about you know, when you're 800 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 1: in the locker room with the champagne flying and people everywhere, 801 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: and you take two cameras in case one sort of 802 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: breaks down, how long typically does a camera lost before 803 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: you have to replace it or get a new one, 804 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: or if just the technology advances to the point where 805 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: it's time to upgrade. 806 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. I personally like baby 807 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 2: my equipment like crazy, because that's yours. It's your job, 808 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 2: it's your life. And the cameras are not are not inexpensive, 809 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 2: you know, and typically within now in the digital world, 810 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 2: every two three years there are there are big advancements 811 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: with the technology in the cameras. So you need it's 812 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 2: your job. You do need to stay you know, on 813 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 2: top of things, and you need to be you know, 814 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 2: driving the ferraris of the cameras, and they're not they're 815 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 2: not cheap. So maybe if I if I get my 816 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 2: my Instagram followers up a level, and then some of 817 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 2: these camera companies want to want to sponsor me, feel 818 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 2: free to uh to reach out to me. I can 819 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 2: save a few dollars by not having to upgrade, so freequplet. 820 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 4: I do wonder what you're with the Instagram accounts, so 821 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 4: you've mentioned that, Uh, sometimes people do take your work. 822 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 4: I wonder, I mean, this isn't necessarily a question, but 823 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 4: I wonder if the NBA does report it immediately to 824 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 4: the social platforms, or does the NBA look at those 825 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 4: platforms or those accounts as positive for the league because 826 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 4: it's only promoting the league. I know it's negative from 827 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 4: your perspective, but I sort of liken it to back 828 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 4: to the fact of the NBA was sort of on 829 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 4: the forefront of allowing US fans to record their televisions 830 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 4: and put it up, put their put videos of games 831 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 4: up on social media platforms, while other leagues like the 832 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 4: NFL was adamant about taking them down. Do you have 833 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 4: any any knowledge of that and how that works? 834 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 2: You know what, not not specifically, but agree with you 835 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: in the general terms. The NBA, I think in the 836 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 2: when I was first starting in the you know, in 837 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 2: the eighties and stuff like David David Stern was like 838 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 2: a control freak, and you're putting out a certain image, 839 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 2: you're putting out a certain product, as I alluded to 840 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 2: before with the champagne type stuff, one hundred percent get that. 841 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 2: Now you fast forward twenty five thirty years later, and 842 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 2: it's not necessarily any publicity is good publicity. I don't 843 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 2: subscribe to that because I'm not like, I'm not interested 844 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,479 Speaker 2: in something negative getting a lot of likes or hits 845 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 2: or whatever. But the NBA is very savvy in their marketing, 846 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 2: and like I said earlier, if if if players are 847 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 2: are asking for photos, we give players photos and then 848 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 2: the players push it out on their platforms. That benefits everyone, 849 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 2: you know. I think some of these other other accounts 850 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 2: like it is it is promoting the NBA, which is 851 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 2: a good thing. I think they would crack down if 852 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 2: there was a you know, if there was a quote 853 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 2: unquote repeat offender that was doing something negative. I don't 854 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 2: want to speak on behalf of you know, NBA, but 855 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 2: I would have to think that if there was something 856 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 2: negative that was, like I said, a repeat offender, they 857 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 2: would they would address that as they as they should, 858 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 2: you know, but players putting stuff out, and even now 859 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 2: during this this quarantine time. The NBA players are so 860 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 2: active on social media and they're very they're very savvy, 861 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 2: and I think it's cool for the fans to get to, 862 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 2: you know, relate to them. They're human beings just like 863 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,399 Speaker 2: everyone else. You know, there are guys home homeschooling their kids. 864 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 2: There are guys it was shocking to me guys didn't 865 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 2: have basketball hoops to work out with. You know, they're 866 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 2: they're human beings like everyone else, and I think I 867 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 2: think that the fans love being able to relate to 868 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 2: the players like that. 869 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: Now, before we wrap up here, you know, all we've 870 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: been talking about as you being behind the camera, but 871 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: there's one photo on your Instagram account. We're actually in 872 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: the photo, and I think it's a pretty special one 873 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: because it's the time you met Nelson Mandela. Can you 874 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: just talk to us about how what happened there and 875 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: how that came about and if he, you know, had 876 00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 1: any idea of what you did or if you showed 877 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: him some of. 878 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 2: You work that that was probably, you know, my most 879 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 2: memorable NBA experience for all of the you know, for 880 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 2: all of the obvious reasons. It was a small contingent 881 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 2: of NBA players and staff that went over to Johannesburg, 882 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 2: and it was before he had just been released from 883 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 2: prison a year before and he was being prepared for 884 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 2: the presidency and we had he invited the NBA group 885 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,720 Speaker 2: to his house for dinner. And it wasn't like fifty people. 886 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 2: It was like I'm talking ten or twelve people. And 887 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 2: I just had chills the entire night, you know, And 888 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 2: it will always be very Actually he was a huge 889 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 2: sports fan. You know. People said he boxed in prison 890 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 2: to stay in shape. He was an incredible He was 891 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 2: an incredible shape. He knew basketball, which was remarkable. And 892 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 2: then the crazy thing was he was very generous. I 893 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,839 Speaker 2: was taking people's uh, people's photos with him. Uh and 894 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,919 Speaker 2: then at the end he was like, it's your turn, 895 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 2: and I'm looking over my shoulder. Who is he speaking 896 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 2: to and he goes, no, no, you. And I was like, 897 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 2: I've never, like, have to be honest, I've never had 898 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 2: my picture taken with with Michael, Larry Magic, any of 899 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 2: those guys over the years. And I handed my camera 900 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 2: off to this guy who was not a photographer, and 901 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 2: I was praying, well, button, well, hope for the best, 902 00:52:53,719 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 2: you know, and it was literally, you know, probably you know, 903 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 2: obviously one of the highlights of my professional career was 904 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 2: be able to meet him. And again with my job, 905 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm oftentimes fortunate to be a fly on the wall. 906 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 2: You do take but then I'm hearing him speak, I'm 907 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 2: hearing him interact with people, and things like that are 908 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 2: truly special to me. Whether it's that the players on 909 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 2: a bus going to a game, or we did a 910 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 2: thing this past All Star when Barack Obama came to 911 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,479 Speaker 2: an NBA Cares event. You know, just listening to them 912 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 2: and being around people like that is just so inspiring 913 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 2: to me. And so after the picture with Mandels like, Okay, 914 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm good, I don't need to ask Michael Larry Zion 915 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 2: if you're gonna have one photo. I think that that's 916 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 2: the one, and it just, you know, it just has 917 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 2: been remarkable to me. And like I said, pretty much 918 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 2: go back to the continent every summer and have been 919 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 2: fortunate to have been all over the African continent because 920 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 2: it has been so special to me. 921 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,879 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there could be a whole new Instagram page. 922 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: It's just not photos selfies really with everyone. Maybe you 923 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: could start that off, as you. 924 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 2: Know thing, I'll stay on the other side of the camera, 925 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 2: like a little heavy or I have the quarantine beard 926 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 2: going now. By the way, it's a little whiter than 927 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 2: I would have thought it pretty much. It's not David 928 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 2: Letterman ESQ. But it's pretty damn white. And I'm like, wow, 929 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 2: I got to shave this before I go out. 930 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've all we've all got something like 931 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: that that. 932 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 2: I was going to make fun of Tray and his beard, 933 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,360 Speaker 2: but I don't know. 934 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, mine came out a lot whiter than I was expecting. 935 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 3: To my wife the other day, was like, you just 936 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,879 Speaker 3: have white hair now, So I guess that's right right. 937 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 1: Well, now, it's been really awesome listening to your story today. 938 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun for all of us. 939 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: And I can speak for the rest of the guys 940 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: at your work. We really admire and respect it. And 941 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 1: it did hang up on the starter's walls there at 942 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,359 Speaker 1: the NBA TV studios, and a lot of it actually 943 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: hung up up my bedroom walls as well. Growing up 944 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: as a kid, there was a lot of posters. I 945 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,839 Speaker 1: remember Nathaniel Les Butler Photo and Andy Berenstein as well, 946 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: those two you guys, Yeah, the Hoop magazines. It was 947 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: always one of you, two guys who would get the 948 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: poster and that would always go straight up on my 949 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: bedroom walls. So to talk to you about some of 950 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 1: your memories today has been fantastic. 951 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys, and hopefully we'll get to 952 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 2: see you soon if and when we can resume here 953 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 2: and a little bit of a different calendar schedule. But 954 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 2: I'm still holding out hope that we'll have some playoffs 955 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 2: and finals happening this year. 956 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard to tell really what's going to happen there. 957 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,399 Speaker 1: Some days it looks like maybe we will. In other 958 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: days it seems like we might be sitting in this 959 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: sort of environment for another six months or so, but 960 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: who knows. Hopefully, hopefully everyone you know can follow the 961 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: advice of the medical experts and we can we can 962 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: kick this thing. But for more awesome photos of Nat 963 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: you can follow him on Twitter and Instagram. It's nat 964 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: la photo, that's nat l y photo on both and 965 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,320 Speaker 1: check out some of his incredible. 966 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 2: Work over the years. Thanks you guys, Thanks for having me. 967 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 2: It's been fun, and like I said, hope to see 968 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 2: you soon. 969 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 5: You could stay every day. 970 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 4: And day happy, every minute. 971 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,280 Speaker 5: It's been so long that your mona 972 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 2: Way it happened already, it's gonna be goody