1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not with 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: us for this episode, but we'll be returning very soon. 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: our super producer Ball. Mission control deconds. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this the 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. This is part 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: two of a two part series that has possibly already 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: ruffled some feathers, which is something something that we appreciate 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: and love. We are continuing our journey into conspiracies surrounding 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: the political dynasty known as the Clinton's here in the 15 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: United States. Please do check out episode one. Also, please 16 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: do check out our earlier conversation on this. Matt. I 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: think it was twenty sixteen when we also caught some 18 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: heat because we got asked by so many of our 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: fellow listeners to look at so many conspiracies surrounding uh 20 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: the presidential candidates at the time, which would have been 21 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Uh. And after a little 22 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: bit of conversation with our our good pal Jake Hanrahan 23 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: over at uh popular Front, we decided to take the 24 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: benefit of retrospect and really drill down into some of 25 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: these some of these theories about the Clinton family um 26 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Earlier in our our previous episode earlier this week, we 27 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: looked into something called the Clinton body count, UH and 28 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: we barely scratched the surface of that. By the way, 29 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: there are we gave you a good intro, a good 30 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: primer on this, but there are more than fifty or 31 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: so folks now who are alleged to be um murdered 32 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: in some way by a former US president or on 33 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: the way US president and his spouse. Today, we are finally, finally, man, 34 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: We're going to Whitewater, and sadly it's not the amusement park. 35 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: What I know, I'm sorry, I know. I got so excited, man, 36 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: the me too. The slides at Whitewater were so epic 37 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. All right, Well, hopefully this 38 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: one's fun and exciting and there will be some cotton 39 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: candy involved, hopefully hopefully, probably not, but hopefully right, hope 40 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: springs eternal. Here are the facts, so Matt Earlier this week, 41 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: you and Nolan I and Mission Control explored kind of 42 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: the space between fact and fiction. Right. We looked at 43 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: the proven history of both William Clinton and Hillary Clinton's 44 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: political careers, all the way from their initial meeting at 45 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Yale in a library to their time in Arkansas, through 46 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: their ascendancy from regional to national politics. When traced controversies 47 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: all the way up to Bill Clinton's term as president, 48 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's career as Senator, Secretary of State, candidate for 49 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, as President of the United States. I 50 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's a hot take man, to say that 51 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: these are controversial figures. No, it's not a hot take 52 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: at all. As political figures go. The amount of controversy 53 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: they shared between the two of them is pretty astronomical, honestly. Uh, 54 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: if you look at other even recent political figures, like 55 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: look at look at President Obama, just as a case 56 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: in point, there was controversy around him that was generated 57 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of often out of nothing, like some of the 58 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: stories about his birth certificates, some of the I mean, 59 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: if you really think about the controversy around him, like 60 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: there wasn't a ton right that that you can just 61 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: think about and conjure in your mind. There wasn't a 62 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: ton about George W. Bush. I mean, there were there 63 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: were things. There were there were issues with him, as 64 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: there were with President Obama, but they weren't these like 65 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: court cases. They weren't these uh, pretty intense stuff about 66 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: their background and how they rose to power. Right. Um. 67 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: With with Bush, it was like, oh, yeah, his dad 68 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: was president and that's kind of fishy. And then you 69 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: look at his background in the oil business and everything. 70 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: And even with Trump, you look at him and you 71 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: think about his past with television has passed, with real 72 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: estate and some of the weird money and tax stuff. 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: But it's not the same as what we see with 74 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: the Clintons. Multiple sexual assault charges. Yeah, you're absolutely right there, 75 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: but it's just it's i think combined. The Clintons just 76 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: have so much that we have to look at Yeah, agreed, 77 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: And we're going into this knowing that there's quite a 78 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: bit of propaganda involved. And as we said in episode one, 79 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: you know, the Clinton administration occurred during a massive, massive 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: growth in political divisiveness, right in terms of something that 81 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: into tribalism which plagues this country today. Propaganda is weird 82 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: because the opponents of the Clinton administration, who were also 83 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: the opponents of Hillary Clinton's terms as a senator and 84 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: as Secretary of State. Uh. The these opponents did not 85 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: shy away from propaganda and did not worry too too 86 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: often nor too ardently about whether or not an allegation 87 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: could be supported by fact. This was, you know, this 88 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: was what is often called in media red meat. Right, 89 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: it's something juicy, It's a headline that you can click. 90 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: We call it clickbait. Now, So our question is, even 91 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: after putting the propaganda aside, why is it so disturbingly 92 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: easy to understand why so many people in the US 93 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: and abroad might have problems with this political dynasty. To 94 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: say again the quiet part out loud, it is not 95 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: meritocratic for members of the same family to hold the 96 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: reins of political power. And unfortunately, this is a problem 97 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: that has played the United States for many, many decades 98 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: across political parties. Uh. You know, one of the things 99 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: that became the medic was the the idea of her emails, right, 100 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's emails, which we'll get into today. Uh. The 101 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: idea of this whole whitewater thing, which I think, Matt, 102 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: you and I are both sad to learn is real 103 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: estate scandal allegedly and not a water park. Uh So 104 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: we'll also have to ask a question common to any 105 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: political force of this caliber, which is are there nonprofits 106 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: actually nonprofits? Is the Clinton Foundation just that a charitable organization? 107 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Or was it? And is it a backdoor for undo 108 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: political influence? You know what I think, Matt, Let's just uh, 109 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: let's maybe pause for a word from our sponsor and 110 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: then and then dive in. Is our sponsor Whitewater? I 111 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:43,119 Speaker 1: hope not. Here's where it gets crazy, all right, Matt Whitewater. 112 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: This is something we didn't get to in episode one. 113 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about this in our 114 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: episode where we did both conspiracies or allegations against the 115 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Trump campaign and conspiracy or allegations against the Clinton campaign, 116 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: which was Hillary Clinton at the time. But this those episodes, 117 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: by the way, came out like a week before the election. 118 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: I think they did. Oh we're great at timing. We're 119 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: real Christmas in July, folks. But but this white Water thing, Um, 120 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: I think the news about it has been around for 121 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: much of our lives, you, you and me and probably 122 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners because it dates back to 123 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: it came to public attention in the nineteen nineties, but 124 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: the substance of the events is actually it's it's older 125 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: than a lot of us listening today. I do recall 126 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: watching news about the White Water scandal with my parents 127 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: at their house when I was a kid. I have 128 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: no idea what it was like. I didn't understand any 129 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: of it. I just knew the phrase white white water 130 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: and I saw Bill Clinton's face on the television, um, 131 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize it went back to the nineteen seventies. Uh, 132 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: well before I was ever conceived to even be a thing, 133 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 1: or even a potential thing. So this is this is 134 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of weird. It's a little complicated, but let's get 135 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: into it. As you said, Ben, it has to do 136 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: with real estate, with purchasing land and then hoping to 137 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: develop that land and just make bookoo bucks on whatever 138 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: whatever sits upon that land. At some point we know 139 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: about it because of investigations that were we're done by 140 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: a certain independent council that was a rock star at 141 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the time, someone named Kenneth Star. And uh, it's really 142 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: interesting because there was so much candle. There's so much 143 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: press about this on the news constantly, but in the end, 144 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: nobody really got in trouble. At least the Clintons didn't 145 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: get in double there are other people who were involved 146 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: in the scandal who did very much get in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, 147 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna have a lot of shades of House 148 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: of Cards for for people, right that, I think. I 149 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: think that's it's fair to say that House of Cards 150 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: the very well done political drama. It's a bit of 151 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: a soap opera. I think it's fair to say that 152 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of cues from the public perception 153 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: of Bill and Hillary Clinton. It's interesting, but it kind 154 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: of combines the two of them into the two characters 155 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: in different ways. So it's a need amalgam where it's 156 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: not fully Bill and Hillary as the power couple and 157 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: House of Cards, but they are kind of a mesh 158 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: of one another. Yeah, just so, And of course that's 159 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,359 Speaker 1: because it is a work of fiction, House of Cards, 160 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: and and we can do we can do a maybe 161 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: a Kevin Space episode later, but it would feel a 162 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: little unclean. Anyway. I love I love the way you've 163 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: introduced uh our buddy Kenny Starr. He is alive. He 164 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: is an American lawyer. He was a US Circuit judge 165 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: for several years Solicitor General of the United States. He 166 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: was a guy who was on a mission during this 167 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: period of time, and his mission, which she accepted, was 168 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: to buy hook or by crook, bring down the Clinton administration. 169 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: That's an a political statement. Those are just the facts. 170 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: It's not a conspiracy. It's pretty clear that this guy 171 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: and his puppeteers were doing anything possible to find find 172 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: some way to bring down Bill Clinton, which is surprising because, 173 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: as we'll find, the Clinton administration actually did a lot 174 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: of stuff that Ken Stars masters probably wanted. As you said, 175 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: the Clintons were never formally charged with a crime in 176 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: the case of Whitewater. Several of their associates didn't do 177 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: as well. Here's what happened. The Clinton family partnered with 178 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: another family, the McDougall's, James and Susan McDougall, and their 179 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: scheme was I'm using the British connotation of scheme. It 180 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: wasn't really conspiracy. It was like their plan. Uh, they 181 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: wanted to buy two hundred and thirty acres of land, 182 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: and on this land they wanted to build a bunch 183 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: of vacation spots. They essentially wanted to sell second homes 184 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: to folks that is their demographic, right, folks who can 185 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: afford a second home, and retirees possibly. And this is 186 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: strange because at this time, this story really starts when 187 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton is already governor of Arkansas. He's the governor 188 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: of an entire state he's elected in and at this 189 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: time his spouse, Hillary Clinton, is an associate at a 190 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: law firm, and they're looking for ways to make extra cash. 191 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: That's totally true. And imagine, folks, everybody listening today, unless 192 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: you are one of fifty people, you are not governor 193 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: of a state. So wherever you are at in your life, 194 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, would I be looking for 195 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a side gig if I was the governor of the 196 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: state in which I live. Now, that's baffling to me, 197 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: but it happens all the time. Most governors have, you know, 198 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: multiple business interest oh for sure. So in this business 199 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: interest back in seventy eight, when Bill Clinton was Governor 200 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: Clinton of Arkansas, we were working with the McDougal's and 201 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: looking at that two or thirty acres in a place 202 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: called or near Flipping Arkansas, like in that hilarious Flipping 203 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: Arkansas we're gonna buy some land out and flipping Arkansas, 204 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna put vacation homes on it and make 205 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of money. If you're looking at a map 206 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: of Arkansas with little rock kind of in the center 207 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: of it, right there, that's where the Clintons were hanging, 208 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, running running. The place uh flipping is north 209 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: almost due north, a little bit to the west, and 210 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: it is right at the top there before you get 211 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: into Missouri, and uh, I mean it is. I'm I'm 212 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: imagining it here in Georgia. And this is just for 213 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: anybody in Georgia's listening, because this is how I'm picturing 214 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: in my mind. We're in Atlanta to which isn't the 215 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: center of Georgia's kind of north central Georgia. And if 216 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: you go north from us in the same direction, the 217 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: same way, you would hit the Blue Ridge Mountains, which 218 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: is a very popular vacation place or a place to 219 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: own a cabin as a second home or something like that. 220 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: So I imagining it kind of like that, but probably 221 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: a little more nice than the cabin's I've stayed at 222 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: in Blue Ridge. Yeah, the concept is sound right. So 223 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: this guy James McDougall goes to the Clinton family, goes 224 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: to the governor of Arkansas and says, hey, you guys 225 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: want to get into the vacation home business. And they 226 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: have this like series of double dates, you know, James 227 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: and Susan and Bill and Hillary, and they lay out 228 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: this plan. So what they want to do is make 229 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: a nice getaway destination for folks who enjoy the outdoors. 230 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: And they say, Okay, we're gonna sell these homes and 231 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: people can go fishing on them, right or they can 232 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: go hiking. You know, it's a place to take take 233 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: your grandkids over the summer or that kind of stuff. 234 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: But they messed up. It's not a conspiracy. They messed 235 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: up in just the basic hygiene of the idea. The 236 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: land itself was not super good. It wasn't readily accessible 237 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It was still recovering from 238 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: previous flooding, and that accessibility piece is something that would 239 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: not have changed regardless of flooding. You would need you 240 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: would need to lay an interstate a little bit closer, 241 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: or you would need to have other things that pull 242 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: people in that this development could ort a sort of 243 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: satellite off of the Blue Ridge mountains here in Georgia 244 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: that works because of its um location relative to an 245 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: interstate and state roads. Well, yeah, I think it's the 246 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: state roads are the most importantly, just like you, even 247 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: if the interstate isn't that close, you can easily get 248 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: on non dirt roads, you know, paved roads to the 249 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: place that you need to be. It's it's not that 250 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: far out of the way. There's infrastructure there, Infrastructure there 251 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: it is. That's that's the billion dollar word, right. Um. 252 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: You can have very opulent places, like there's a place 253 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't talk about nationally here in 254 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: Georgia called Sea Island. Sea Island is very posh. I 255 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: have to go there sometimes. It's candidly not my favorite place. 256 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: People are pretty ny. Why do you have to go? 257 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: The uh? There's a lot of inequality. So the the 258 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: the issue with I'm not answered not taking questions, Matt, okay, 259 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: the uh. The the issue is they didn't pick a 260 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: good starting position, you know, just like a game of 261 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Civilization or does position matter in uh Katan we're talking 262 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: tabletop games, Yeah, it does, right, you get to choose 263 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: choose where you're starting point is I think, or you 264 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: roll for it. I can't remember. I haven't played in years. Okay, 265 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: all right, well, we know position is key. They chose 266 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: a poor position. Uh. They were also and this is 267 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: not really on the McDougall's or the Clintons, they were 268 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: also at the mercy of a larger financial climate. Interest 269 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: rates were on the rise, which means that even if 270 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: they had a primo position, you know, even if they 271 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: had a little corner piece of the brownie pan of 272 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: vacation homes, a lot of people couldn't afford to buy 273 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: a second hold. They were trying to hold on to 274 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: the one they had. The Clintons, as a result, lost 275 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: an estimated forty six thousand dollars on this. And this 276 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: is again through what justa eight two many years later, 277 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: the investigation starts occurring. Federal regulators are looking at not Whitewater, 278 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: but another real estate investment. Oh yeah, this one is 279 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: It's a project called Castle Grand You you undoubtedly heard 280 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: about this too, if you're paying attention at the time. 281 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: This was backed specifically by James of the McDougal's in 282 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: their Power couple, and this investigation it led to James 283 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: McDougal having to resign from the company that he started 284 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: the company called Madison Guarantee. Was I believe this was 285 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: the savings and loan that he was working that he 286 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: started and was working for. It was he started that 287 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: one right for right after the whole Whitewater thing kicked off. 288 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: And I think it was maybe even to get Whitewater 289 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: to happen, and the bank ended up collapsing. It was 290 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: pretty terrible, pretty terrible for James at least. Uh, and 291 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: it only went downhill from there for him. Yeah. Yeah, 292 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: A little bit about McDougal. Uh, he passed away in 293 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: n Uh. He was hand in hand with the world 294 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: of Arkansas finance and Arkansas politics. Ultimately, this guy gets 295 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: convicted on eighteen separate counts of fraud and conspiracy charges. Uh. 296 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: These were all due to loans made by his company, 297 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: Madison in the late nineteen eighties. And check this out, folks, 298 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: because this company was federally ensured. The sixty eight million 299 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: dollars that his company owed legally was paid by you 300 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: if you live in the United States. It was paid 301 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: with tax payer money. That's what federally in short means. Uh. 302 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: So so funny enough, our boy Kenny asked for a 303 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: reduced sentence for James McDougal because McDougal was assisting with 304 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: the Whitewater investigation, and questions surrounding the Clinton's involvement with 305 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: Whitewater only grew during President Clinton's first term in office. 306 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: The investigation about this primarily was concerned with whether they 307 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: conspired or whether they did anything illegal. The prosecutor who 308 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: was appointed for this was guy named Robert B. Fisk, 309 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: and there were concerns that Bill Clinton himself was pressuring people, 310 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: was pressing them into financially assisting the Whitewater deal, even 311 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: though the land was bad, even though it was known 312 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: by now that people were not able to afford a 313 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: second home. Clinton reputedly or allegedly push this guy named 314 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: David Hale, the president of another business investment firm, into 315 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: making a loan, and then other allegations come out, and 316 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: it looks like the money is dirty. It looks like 317 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the campaign that Bill Clinton had to become governor of 318 00:23:52,440 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Arkansas was using laundered cash through Madison Guarantee, via its 319 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: owner McDougal or its creator. It was a three thousand 320 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: dollar loan that this guy, David Hales being pressured by 321 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: allegedly by Clinton and by the McDougal's and outside forces 322 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: to make to give this loan to the McDougal's and 323 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: the Clintons through UM through the Madison company that McDougal owned, right, 324 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: So it's like somebody spent pressure on this bank to 325 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: give this other bank three thousand dollars and then that 326 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: money would go up to Whitewater and that investment would 327 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: then channel money back to the original investors, then that 328 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: money back to the original bank that made the loan. 329 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: But it's just weird because it seems as though the money, 330 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: as you said, Ben, was just kind of making a 331 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: little traveling, a little trail so that that money could 332 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: actually be used somewhere else, because it's sure as heck 333 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: didn't seem like it got used on the old Whitewater Clinton, 334 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: Arkansas area. And again that's you know, that's the thing 335 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: that bugs me about this, Matt, because someone should have 336 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: known that those two thirty acres were not prime positioning. 337 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: Well I think they did. I think they didn't know. Look, 338 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: this is this is me I and I You can 339 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: look at the official records and what happened and who 340 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: got punished for what, But in my mind, this was 341 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: a shady way to just get cash, cold heart cash 342 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: to a political let's say asset, a political asset for 343 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: a group of people that wanted to have that power, 344 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: with the understanding it would come in later. It was 345 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: just a different type of investment, right, That's what it 346 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: feels like to me the same. I'm with you on 347 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: that because it's weird because the idea of buying this 348 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: land and developing this land in this way, if it 349 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: were created in good faith, it feels amateurish. It feels 350 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: like people didn't do their due diligence or did not 351 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: care to do so. Anyhow. I like that you're bringing 352 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: up the consequences of this. Um. I know we're in 353 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: the weeds here, but it's important. It's important to know 354 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: the facts. So this guy Fisk issues a subpoena to 355 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: President Clinton and Hillary Clinton as they're both involved related 356 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: to the problems with Madison Guarantee, which is again run 357 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: by James McDougall. This happens kind of often when powerful 358 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: people are asked for their paperwork or their receipts. The 359 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: documents were missing, no one can find them, and then 360 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: later they were found. Were they the same documents or 361 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: are they sanitized that somebody hug it up a little unclear, 362 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: but all in all, there would be three separate inquiries 363 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: into this shell game of money, which I think it's 364 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: accurate to call it that each of these were targeted 365 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: again with political motivations toward Bill and Hillary Clinton, and 366 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: each of those in that respect was unsuccessful. They failed. 367 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: They did not find enough evidence to charge the Clintons 368 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: with crimes. However, as you already pointed out, a lot 369 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: of other people did go down. They did get convicted, 370 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: like James McDougal, etcetera, etcetera, and his wife Susan. They 371 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: both got They both got convicted, and James McDougall spent 372 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: the rest of his life until he died in prison. Yes, 373 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: and this dude wrote a book in jail. He did. 374 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: He did tell us about the book. Oh man, Okay. 375 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Arkansas Mischief. He it with 376 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: a guy named Curtis Wilkie who's a journalist. And uh 377 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: my goodness, this thing has allegations, is gossip allegations, Okay. 378 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: Uh we we talked about the shell game of money. 379 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: In the book, James McDougall states that they were indeed 380 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: just getting cash cash money that had been laundered to 381 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton specifically every month, and it was a very 382 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: calculated move, and well he writes about it. We'll give 383 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: you the specifics here in a moment. But every month, 384 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: James McDougall and his associates would take twenty one dollar bills, 385 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: according to James, and hand it to Bill Clinton, So 386 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars every month, and they just give it 387 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: to him cash. You could use it, You could use 388 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: it for anything. Think about that. Uh, imagine getting two 389 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars extra every month just as a you get 390 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: to use this money. And then imagine that that's an 391 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: eighteen eighties money. So with just a little bit of 392 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: cocktail napkin math, we can say two thousand dollars in 393 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: is equivalent to seven thousand, one hundred and nine dollars 394 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and one cent today. So if you're getting mailbox money, 395 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: essentially right passive income in the magnitude of seven thousand dollars, 396 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: I have to ask a little bit of a moral question, 397 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: a moral quandary. What would you do if you just 398 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: started getting an envelope with seven thousand dollars It just 399 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: showed up, just showed up in your mailbox just was 400 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: dropped at your door. No return address. Let's let's make 401 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: it even mysterious, no return address. Someone for some reason 402 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: is just sending you seven grand a month. How many 403 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: questions would you ask? Zero? Wow, this is great. Then 404 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: I would put it all away for like nine months, 405 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: and then I would buy one of those swimming pools 406 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: that's like it looks like a hot tub, but you 407 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: can just swim in it like a current, one of 408 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: those Scrooge jacuzzi, that's what I call those. Yeah, yeah, 409 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: Scrooge cozy. Uh so, but but okay, So James Dugle 410 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: in his book, he talks about this, and we found 411 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: some of this from a CNN article from We just 412 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: want to give you some of these details because it 413 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: is intense to hear it from the person that was 414 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: allegedly doing it. So McDougall says that in the nineteen eighties, 415 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: he and this other person that worked with him at 416 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: the Savings Eon Loan where he was where he was 417 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: working at the time. Uh, this person named Henry Hamlin, 418 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: they quote, developed a system to pass money to Clinton, 419 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: who was again remember this, the governor of the state 420 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: that they lived in. Um, here's the quote continued, A 421 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: contractor agreed to pad that like add money to my 422 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: monthly construction bill by two thousand dollars. The contractor put 423 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: the figure on his invoice as a cost for something 424 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: like gravel colvert work. After I paid the full amount 425 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: of that invoice, so everything including that extra two thousand dollars. 426 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: The contractor reimbursed me that extra two thousand dollars and 427 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I turned the money over to Henry to give to Clinton. 428 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: So literally, a a business invoice that is above board, 429 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: that you know, gets looked at by and everybody, and 430 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: it looks fine because you're just paying extra for gravel 431 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: or something. But that two thousand just comes right off 432 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: the top and gets to be cash and go wherever 433 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: you want it to go. Oh yeah, you'll love to 434 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: see it, you know, you'll love to see it. Especially 435 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: Oh man, I've said it before, Matt, but I can't 436 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: get away with a late fee at the library. You know, 437 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: I've tried. I said, like, I'm sorry, I'm late with 438 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: this book. I really enjoyed it and I am using 439 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: it for research or whatever. And I still get I 440 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: still get taken to task so well. But the question 441 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: is why would they do that been right. That was 442 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: that was a question why I obscure the origin of 443 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: the of the cash well ben uh. In this article 444 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: and in this book that James McDougall again wrote from 445 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: jail after he got convicted of this stuff, he says, 446 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: he just talks about the motivations. And he says one time, 447 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: this one guy, Henry Hamilton's that he was working with 448 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: and you know, had this whole thing going with. Uh. 449 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: McDougall says, hamblin. At one point after you know they're 450 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: doing this whole exchange thing that Henry's got the two 451 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, he gives a quote from Henry who says, 452 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: you know Caesar had his brutus, Charles the first had Cromwell. 453 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: Clinton could profit from these examples if he crosses us. Wait, 454 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: who are these guys? Who are these guys? Are we 455 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: talking organized crime here? Crosses us? Are they just trying 456 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: to build their own political power somehow within Arkansas? What 457 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: is going on? There's so much more to the story. 458 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: Um and McDougall wrote that this guy, Henry Hamilton's, was 459 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: very adamant about this position and about how important these 460 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: payments were. Uh, I'm gonna give you another quote. McDougall 461 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: says that Hamilton's quote insisted that under the table payments 462 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: would solidify our connections in state government, and he said 463 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: that uh Clinton appointed his recommended candidates to state jobs, 464 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: including state Security commissioner. So that's pretty that's pretty intense, 465 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: Like they're solidifying their ability to just go to Clinton 466 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: at some point and say, hey, you know, there's this 467 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: person who would be really great for this other position, 468 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: and I really think here's your two that you should 469 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: appoint this person. I mean, that's that's true in terms 470 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: of like what is described in the book and what 471 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: what we're telling you today. Folks. You can call it 472 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: uh propaganda or whatever, but I I would be careful 473 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: to avoid that kind of assumption because the records appear 474 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: to be there. And again, this guy is writing from jail, right. 475 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: He is not one of those folks who gets a pardon, 476 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: by the way, at the at the end of the administration. 477 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: And that, as you pointed out earlier to off Air, 478 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Henry Hamilton's is beyond the realm of questions. Now, oh yeah, 479 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: because Hamilton's was passed away when that article was written 480 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: in CNN. Shoot, there's one more thing. In that book 481 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: that I want to get to ben but I think 482 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: we need to take a quick break. Should we do 483 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: that and then come right back. We'll hit one more 484 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: piece of that book and then move on to ben Ghazi. 485 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: And we've returned and we are going to stay. In 486 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: that CNN article that where you've mentioned I should just 487 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: cite it. Uh, you can find it right now. The 488 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: title is James McDougal's Last word is a tell all book. 489 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: And find that this comes from Associated Press CNN. It 490 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: does so, yes, Associated Press, good job, and Reuters and whatever, 491 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: all the all the agencies out there that are just 492 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: collecting news and sending it. Everyone hits all the good ones, 493 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: all the same. Um. So, we talked about this three 494 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: thousand dollar loan that was at the heart, at least 495 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: originally at the heart of the White Water scandal. It's 496 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: three dollars a lot of money. And there was a 497 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: person that we mentioned earlier, David Hale, who was pressured 498 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: allegedly to make that loan even though he knew this 499 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: was a bad idea. Well, in James McDougal's prison book 500 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: that he wrote, he states that he at least alleges 501 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: Let's say that there was pressure applied on David Hale 502 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: directly by Bill Clinton, again the Arkansas governor, because Bill 503 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: Clinton Karnean McDougall may or may not probably according to him, 504 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: was having an affair with Susan McDougall, his spouse. Um. Okay, 505 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: so let's just jump into this. In the book. According 506 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: to this ap CNN article, McDougall said that one of 507 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: Susan McDougall's brothers, a guy named Jim Henley, witnessed this 508 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: specific meeting. And now this is hearsay, right, and even 509 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: in the book, this is hearsay. Um. Jim Henley witnessed 510 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: a meeting in which Clinton allegedly urged Hale to make 511 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: this loan. Uh. They call it a fraudulent loan, which 512 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: just means I guess it shouldn't have been made. McDougall said, 513 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: Clinton appeared unexpectedly at the end of some meeting, this 514 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: meeting that was witnessed. Uh right, he just pops in, Yeah. Yeah. 515 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:41,439 Speaker 1: The Arkansas governors was like, oh, hey, boys, here Susan's alone. Yeah. Yeah, 516 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: allegedly says that, yeah, did you do you discuss Susan's alan, 517 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: Tell tell me about it. Um. And the big question 518 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: was like, well, why is the governor here, Why is 519 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: he asking specifically about this weird loan for Susan McDougall, 520 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: Why did he care about it? And James McDougal, at least, 521 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: according to the book, concluded again that Clinton and Susan 522 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: had resumed This is a this is the word that's 523 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: used in the article, resumed an affair, which which we 524 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: don't have the full context here, but that means that 525 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: it was likely something that happened before and now is 526 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: happening again, or at least there was some pressure on 527 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton to make this loan happen. So then he 528 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: was applying pressure to David Hale. And here's the best partage, right, 529 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: that's the best part about it. David Hale was appointed 530 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: by the governor Bill Clinton. David Haile is appointed a 531 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: judge by the governor Bill Clinton. And then so the 532 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: guy who makes who makes your career, or at least 533 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: the point of it, comes up and says, what's going 534 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: on with that? What's going on with that? Loan? Runs 535 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: basically jeez, so okay, so old to say, there are 536 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: books out there, there are a lot of things we 537 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: have to be again, very cognizant and clear minded about 538 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: the motivation of a lot of these sources, because there's 539 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: always going to be uh, propaganda smear pieces whenever you're 540 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: talking about anybody in the world of politics. But from Matt, 541 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: from what we're saying here, again just being objective, what 542 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: we're saying here, Uh, we can conclude the following whether 543 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: or not the Clintons were involved with or aware of 544 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: financial shenanigans in the case of Whitewater. That's never been proven, 545 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: but it doesn't look good. It's like to the point 546 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: where you would have to be kind of incompetent not 547 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: to be aware of what was happening. So the narrative 548 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: of oh, let's get people vacation homes in flipping Arkansas, 549 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: it feels it feels like it's skipping a lot of steps, 550 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,479 Speaker 1: you know. I have to say one last thing about 551 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: James McDougald, just from the writing that I saw, Uh, 552 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: there's something I don't know if it's virtuous about him. 553 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of this is true, but 554 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: a lot of the writing I saw about him says 555 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: that he was attempting until his dying day to get 556 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: his wife acquitted of everything, to to get a pardon 557 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: for his wife, even though at least according to his 558 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 1: writings in his book, he knew that she was having 559 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: an affair, or at least believe that she's aunty fair. 560 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just seems like he was. He 561 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: knew his ship has sailed, but he wanted to save 562 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: the others if he could release his wife. Love is 563 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: a weird thing, man, It's a very strange thing. Also, 564 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: he had a lot of time to think about it, 565 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: because that's what prison gives you. So at this point, 566 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: there are a couple of other things we haven't gotten 567 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: to do. We want to touch Benghazi, the emails. I 568 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: think we do need to talk about the Clinton Foundation. 569 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: So ben Ghazi is something you can look at specifically. 570 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: It's way more of a political scandal. There are deaths involved, 571 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: there's tragedy involved in that scandal. I would just say 572 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: ben it has it has a lot to do with 573 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: the reaction of Secretary of State then Secretary of State 574 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, President Obama and uh the State Department, and 575 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: how it just how quickly it reacted to a crisis, 576 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: and how much early warning was given to people who 577 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: are going to be affected by tensions that were rising. 578 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand and twelve, Yes, three U S 579 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: nationals and the ambassador at the time, Chris Stevens, they 580 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: are murdered during the seizure of a diplomatic compound in Benghazi, 581 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: which is located in Libya. Members of Congress at the 582 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: time said that then Secretary of State Clinton was misleading 583 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: people about the reality on the ground. And then there 584 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: were there were rumors allegations that then President Barack Obama 585 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: and s os Clinton were watching this stuff happened or 586 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: we're getting reports of it in very close to real 587 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: time and just not doing anything about it. And these 588 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: accusations came largely from their political party opponents. Uh the 589 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: charges as you can see, um Amber Phillips right, you 590 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: found this one does a great job laying these out 591 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: in an article for the Washington Post, from which is 592 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, has the benefit of retrospect the the five 593 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: ideas there are. The five chief accusations are that this 594 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,919 Speaker 1: eight Department did not protect US diplomats in Libya. It's 595 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: a little bit that it sounds bad, but it's even 596 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: worse when we remember that the State Department has a long, 597 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: longstanding policy and practice of only protecting certain sorts of 598 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: assets or employees. There are a lot of people left 599 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: out in the cold, especially when you remember that Momar 600 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: Gaddafi was killed in the previous year two thousand eleven, 601 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: so before these attacks, so that the French could maintain 602 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: hegemony over the currency. That's the reason Libya fell. And 603 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: it should have been a known thing that this area 604 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: was dangerous, right, and there's potential for some kind of attack, 605 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, in any State Department property. Uh So it 606 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: just feels I think that accusation of the State Department 607 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: failed to protect its diplomats there. It's just it's added 608 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: of that because it was a time of high tension, 609 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: right right. Next two accusations are of incompetence, essentially that 610 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: the c i A missed signals in advance, that the 611 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: Defense Department d D didn't respond in time. Uh And 612 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: then there's the idea that the presidential administration, the Obama administration, 613 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: stymied the investigation put up stone walls. Also the concept 614 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: that a Clinton aid Cheryl Mills, I believe former chief 615 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: of staff for Clinton, had influenced the State Department's review 616 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: and investigation. There's an eleven hour long hearing on this, 617 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: the Democratic side is saying that it's it's a hit 618 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: piece that the you know, their implication is that the 619 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: Republican side only real he wants to get the Democrats 620 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: in trouble, right. And this is a little bit supported 621 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: by the way by a comment from the Majority House 622 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: majority leader at the time, Representative Kevin McCarthy, who says, 623 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: this panel's work is hurting the Clinton poll numbers in 624 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: that presidential race. But that investigation for a lot of 625 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, a lot of a lot 626 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: of just like common observers in the US, that lost steam. 627 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: People became much more concerned with the thing that was 628 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: mimetic and easy, you could say, but her emails, and 629 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: real quick with the email thing. So the FBI and 630 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: the d o J Department of Justice looked into whether 631 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: or not Hillary Clinton's private email server was moving secret 632 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 1: information right during her time as the Secretary of State 633 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: or or hiding or hiding from other official sources exactly 634 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: whether whether it was getting a little too casual. Ultimately, 635 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: long story short, the State Department says, look, they didn't 636 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: follow the rules for safeguarding information basic opsack hygiene, you know, uh, 637 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: and that Clinton as secretary state she had not asked 638 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: for approval or given a heads up to use this 639 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: private server, and they said this person would not have 640 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: been given permission if she had asked for it. So 641 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 1: for anyone, I feel like the best way to explain 642 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: this one Matt is through comparison. So for anyone with 643 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: an office job, this might sound familiar. A lot of people, 644 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: including us, have played fast and loose with this kind 645 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: of hygiene when it comes to personal stuff on work 646 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: email or work email, work conversations on personal things, you know, like, um, 647 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: the way you've been playing fast and listen without not anymore? 648 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: Uh uh? You know you and you and are are 649 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: are different. KNOWL and I have kind of off the 650 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: books group chat that we use, and a while back 651 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: I had asked us to move to a more secure platform, 652 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: which makes me sound like a nut, But you know 653 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: you have these kind of conversations. Your mileage may vary 654 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: depending on your occupation. If you run your own business, 655 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: then you might treat your work email address as a 656 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: personal account. But if you like our pal guarev shout 657 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: out to you man if if you work an info 658 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: sensitive industries, tech, proprietary, engineering, finance, etcetera, or you know, 659 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: not the top levels of the world's most dangerous government. Ever, 660 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: there are protocols in place to make sure that official 661 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: communication stays with you know, you at work server, work 662 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: email address instead of you know, big case of da 663 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: fan right at Gmail or whatever. Well, especially if you're 664 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, the head diplomat essentially slash uh tradecraft cough cough. 665 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: You're that you're like the top of the State department, right, 666 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,320 Speaker 1: so you're like you run serious things for the government. 667 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: I can I can imagine why it would be advantageous 668 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: to be able to control what information is public domain 669 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: and what is not. Yeah, absolutely, even if it's even 670 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: if it's classified or top secret, right, if it's on 671 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: one of these government meant servers, it is part of 672 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 1: the public record. Is just who has access to it 673 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: or not? Right? Right? And also there's it's it's like 674 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: something it's like guacamole. Congress should be able to have 675 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: it upon request, right, the American public, the halls of 676 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: power should have it on request. So so, uh, this 677 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,839 Speaker 1: all happens way before you know. The stuff that's going 678 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,799 Speaker 1: on now is we record with a clear cover up 679 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: in terms of deleting communications from January six. Right, so 680 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: we've got just a little bit of time left. We 681 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: need to talk about something called the Clinton Foundation. And 682 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 1: again we are being objective for anybody in for anybody 683 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: in the audience today who feels like the Clinton administration 684 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,320 Speaker 1: or a bunch of a slut villains. Uh, you should know, 685 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,360 Speaker 1: you should be well aware by the way that the 686 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: rest of the world recognizes the subjective fact the Clintons 687 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,720 Speaker 1: in practice and policy are not leftist. They are center 688 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: right and in the political spectrum, that's just true. And 689 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of political opponents 690 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,919 Speaker 1: have made a killing, not quite a Clinton body count killing, 691 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: but they've made a killing by pretending that is not 692 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: the case. So let's look again at the money, which 693 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: is a political by the way, everybody's just trying to 694 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: make money, right, Shout out to Pelosi over in Taiwan 695 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 1: and shout out in video as well. Sot to get 696 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: them chimps. So, the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation 697 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: is an international charitable organization that was founded back in 698 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: originally to create the Presidential Library. That's a cool that's 699 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: a cool, uh, you know, knock on effect of being 700 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,760 Speaker 1: president of the United States, Whether or not. You survive 701 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: your term even if you don't like reading. You get 702 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: a library at the end. That's kind of cool and 703 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: it's like it is, and then the books and the 704 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: speaking tours. But you know, you have to survive your 705 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: term to do those, uh if you know, no matter 706 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: what happens, to get the library. So this is weird 707 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: because it's not a personally endowed private charitable foundation. Those 708 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,920 Speaker 1: usually serve as pass throughs for donations to other groups 709 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: that do on the ground work right like the like 710 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds other initiatives. That's 711 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: a big part of what they do. The Clinton Foundation, 712 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: in contrast, is an operating foundation, which means that it 713 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: takes the money and then it does its own charitable activities. 714 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: This is controversial because it's an organization that brings in 715 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 1: billions of dollars in donations from around the world. It's 716 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: operated by a former US president and another very high powered, 717 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,760 Speaker 1: very influential politician who served as Secretary of State during 718 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,879 Speaker 1: any other presidential administration. This creates whether you're whether you're 719 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: a fan or a foe. Just objectively, this creates subconflicts 720 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: of interest. You know, it's it's also it's so funny 721 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: the way money moves at the top right in the 722 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: official channel. So the presidential campaign of both candidates signed 723 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: stuff that was ostensibly removing them from money, right, both 724 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: Trump and Clinton. So so Clinton signs this, uh, this 725 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,279 Speaker 1: document that says, I am not going to participate in 726 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: anything that could have a quote direct and predictable effect 727 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 1: on the Clinton Foundation unless I get like a permission 728 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 1: note just like going on a field trip when you're 729 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,280 Speaker 1: a kid, unless I get a permission to a written 730 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: waiver from the overall administration. Critics of Clinton hated this. 731 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: They said, this foundation opens the door for donors two 732 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:58,800 Speaker 1: have undo backdoor influence on the actions of Clinton should 733 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: she become the ander in chief. Well, it it sounds 734 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,960 Speaker 1: like the white Water right, it sounds like what we 735 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: what James McDougall wrote in his book about getting that 736 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: extra money under the table to the Clintons because you 737 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: could use that foundation. I'm not saying they did use 738 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: that foundation to get undo access right or to get 739 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, money, just that's what we mean by access. Right, 740 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: here's some money, now have a meeting with me. Um, 741 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: That's what we really Yeah. And also it's weird too, 742 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: because bribery is a huge part of politics in this country. 743 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: It's just you call it lobbying, right, check out Oh 744 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: Gosh in case you're seeing the YouTube part, check out 745 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: our chapter on lobbying in the forthcoming books. Stuff they 746 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: don't want you to know, and get ready to be depressed. 747 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: So you're right, this is an opportunity. It's not the 748 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: same thing as saying this did actually occur. Also, we 749 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 1: want to shout out a book from twenty fifteen by 750 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: Peter Schweizer called Clinton Cash. This book attempts to lay 751 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 1: out an argument that this back door influence paddling did occur. 752 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 1: There were several back and forth on this in three 753 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: different FBI Field offices said we need to launch a 754 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: probe into possibilities of conflict of interest between the Clinton 755 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: Foundation and the State Department because there had there's been 756 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: some Yeah, they were like, there's been some free just 757 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, like folks. And so this 758 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 1: book made waves. The Justice Department conducted its own review 759 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: of the allegations made in in that work, and the 760 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: Justice Department came back and told the FBI there were 761 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 1: no grounds for a formal investigation. Still, there are continuing 762 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: questions about the objectivity of the Justice Department throughout administrations. Right, 763 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,920 Speaker 1: So what we're laying out is there are genuine problems. Right. 764 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,520 Speaker 1: It's not for nothing that people have this criticism, but 765 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: we would like to close on some genuine problems. So 766 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: we've talked about the conspiracies. We've talked about the strange 767 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,720 Speaker 1: like bubble of perspective that happens when when people are taught, 768 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,279 Speaker 1: uh you know, to to treat politics like sports, which 769 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: very much should not be treated as uh So, the question, 770 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,440 Speaker 1: the question is why do these allegations have such staying power? 771 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: Huge part of it previous campaign cycle, the Trump campaign 772 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:49,720 Speaker 1: leaned in very, very hard to various rumors without fact checking, 773 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: many of them just too discredit as much as they 774 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: could their political opponents. Things that had faded from the 775 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,320 Speaker 1: national discourse got some brand new, high octane gas in 776 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,320 Speaker 1: the age of social media. You've got a spouse that 777 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: was running for president, so any again that they're inextricably linked, 778 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: Bill and Hillary, right, so anytime one of them makes 779 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: a move, all of this baggage moves that way, and 780 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: then the other one moves and the baggage just shifts 781 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,440 Speaker 1: towards that person. So it's just a constant, constantly shifting 782 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: bag of badgers that they've got attached to their belts. Yes, 783 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of badgers in that bag. And 784 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,360 Speaker 1: this there's this other thing that people need to talk 785 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: about more. It doesn't matter right now who you voted 786 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:48,040 Speaker 1: for or who you agree or disagree with objectively. One 787 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: of the most damaging things that occurred to every American 788 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: in this age of ubiquitous communication. It occurred under the 789 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,919 Speaker 1: Clinton minutes station. The Telecommunications Act of nine is very 790 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 1: pro big business, very like free market policy. It opened 791 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 1: the door to monopolization of media. Think about it this way. 792 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: In three about nine of I have, every piece of 793 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: media you could see was controlled by a mix of 794 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: fifty different companies. It's already kind of small right today, 795 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: about of mass media in the US is controlled by 796 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: six companies. Went from fifty to six, and that's due 797 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: to that Telecommunications Act. And also, yes, yes he did 798 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: perjura himself in regard to the Lewinsky scandal and the lake. 799 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: That depends on what your definition is, right right you 800 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: and no pointed this out part one. He was eventually acquitted, 801 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: but the Senate was split fifty fifty as to whether 802 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 1: or not he had obstructed justice. And the one of 803 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 1: the things that I think is very important to end 804 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: on whenever we talk about this, right, we're not trying 805 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: to assassinate characters here, We're just giving you the facts. 806 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: The Clinton administration played a big role in massively accelerating 807 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: incarceration in the United States and the United States it 808 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: has a devil in the doorway when it comes to 809 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 1: the prison system, and ultimately there are going to be 810 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: there already are intergenerational consequences, but ultimately, uh that society, 811 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 1: the US is going to have to reckon with the 812 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: consequences of of this action. It is not normal, It 813 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 1: is not a good thing, nor is it sustainable for 814 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,120 Speaker 1: are so very many people to be imprisoned. And the 815 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Clinton administration played a direct role in what is happening now. 816 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,400 Speaker 1: So go ahead and just right now, while you've got time, 817 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,200 Speaker 1: search for quote truth in sentencing. If if you go 818 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: ahead and do that, you will find some terrifying things, 819 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,240 Speaker 1: some realities that at least Bill Clinton had a lot 820 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to do with in a crime bill that was passed, 821 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Just look 822 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,360 Speaker 1: that up. There's gonna be an episode on that coming soon, 823 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: or or hey, forget about it. Everybody, pay no attention 824 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: to the crime behind the curtain. Look, he's your president. 825 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,440 Speaker 1: He plays saxophone. How cool? Yeah, don't don't listen to 826 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: private pilot Larry Vasovski, who flew a plane for Jeffrey Epstein. 827 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Don't listen to him testifying the Bill Clinton was on 828 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: the plane and Trump and a bunch of other people 829 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,200 Speaker 1: in Prince Andrew it's cool. Don't worry about any or 830 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,200 Speaker 1: if you're on the left, don't ask these questions. Right. 831 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Uh No, it's only good guys and bad guys. Look. Essentially, 832 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,320 Speaker 1: what we found is that the more alarmist claims against 833 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: the Clintons are easily debunked, but the Clinton political dynasty 834 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: doesn't walk away looking like unassailable paragons of virtue. Spoiler, 835 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 1: no one at that level is an unassailable paragon of virtue. 836 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 1: A lot of the attacks and allegations against them are 837 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 1: propaganda made by political opponents, but there are compelling cases, 838 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: just in this in this introduction, we've done that indicate 839 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 1: evidence of backroom dealings and let's say, creative ways of 840 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: juggling money. The scariest part of all of this, fellow 841 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, that's how the game is played in the 842 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: United did States and many other countries. At some point 843 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,840 Speaker 1: you have to ask, do all politicians have a closet 844 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,320 Speaker 1: full of stuff they don't want you to know. We've 845 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: got one skeleton in our closet. It's a literal skeleton. 846 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,920 Speaker 1: Her name is Scully. Uh, we got nothing on these folks. 847 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Honorable mention. Christopher Hitchens, you know him. He wrote this 848 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: delightfully spiteful and obsessively documented work that was meant to 849 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: cause problems called No One Left a Lie To And 850 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:40,640 Speaker 1: this is, uh, this is a pretty solid read. The guy. 851 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 1: The guy's a pen that spits fire. He during his 852 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: life was very, very angry all the time at a 853 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of things. And when he applied that cantankerous perspective 854 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: to the Clinton administration, he makes he makes a solid 855 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: case that that administration actually, despite you know, their public 856 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: messaging to the political left, they did a lot of 857 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: what the political right wanted. There shouldn't be this many 858 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 1: people in prison. And it's you know, it's not as 859 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,040 Speaker 1: simple as blue v. Red. You know, it's not as 860 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: simple as good versus bad, and that's an important thing 861 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 1: to remember. But the most important thing to remember is 862 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,000 Speaker 1: that we can't wait to hear from you, Matt. This 863 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: We we went long made this a two partter. It's 864 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: almost a three parter. What do you think I think 865 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 1: people will find us on Facebook? Hopefully hopefully. I can't 866 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,479 Speaker 1: even remember in the series do we even talk about 867 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Paula Jones and Arkansas? And yeah, by the way, so 868 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, Noel is. Just to be clear, folks, Noel is. 869 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Noel is working on a real estate deal with us. 870 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Uh stuff. They don't want you to know. We're we're 871 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,760 Speaker 1: looking at about two thirty acres of uh of prime 872 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:17,240 Speaker 1: prime Florida's swamp land. It worked for Disney. It's in 873 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,280 Speaker 1: freaking Florida. Uh. Not quite as nice as flipping Arkansas, 874 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: but it's pretty good freaking Florida. Uh. We can't wait. 875 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, we did the math on climate change. We 876 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: think it's gonna work out for us. Oh jeez, all right, 877 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,240 Speaker 1: well any landing you can walk away from. Uh yeah, 878 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: the folks, we we will have nol returning soon. Matt 879 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: and I will be coming back with an episode we 880 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 1: know you love. What is the truth about truth? Serum, 881 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 1: no spoilers, It's gonna be a wild ride. Find us 882 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 1: on the internet. In the meantime, we want to hear 883 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,440 Speaker 1: from you. And if you don't sip the social meads, 884 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 1: why not give us a call with you know, with 885 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 1: your hand, your ears, your mouthparts. Oh yes, you can 886 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 1: call us one eight three three s T D W 887 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 1: y t K. When you give a call, please give 888 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: yourself a cool name. Let us know if we can 889 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,800 Speaker 1: use your name and message on one of our listener 890 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,600 Speaker 1: mail episodes. You've got three minutes say whatever you'd like. 891 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,200 Speaker 1: But if you've got more to say then can fit 892 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 1: in there. Why not instead send us a good old 893 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,200 Speaker 1: fashioned email. We are conspiracy at i heart radio dot com. 894 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 895 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,320 Speaker 1: of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 896 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 897 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.