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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Coast to Coast AM. Hello, I'm Connie Willis.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Please catch me on my show

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Speaker 1: at Connie Willis dot com. You can find out where's

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Speaker 1: Willis Connie Willis dot com. Tonight, We've got some fun

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Speaker 1: tonight right open lines coming up later. Looking forward to that,

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Speaker 1: hope that some of you have some spooky stories or

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Speaker 1: something interesting, something we've never heard about before. Ever, some

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Speaker 1: encounter we've never heard about before. If that sounds like you,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you tonight on open lines

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Speaker 1: coming up though. As our guest tonight, we've we've got

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Speaker 1: two together. That's kind of rare to do two together

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Speaker 1: that even look exactly alike and have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of things in common. They are the can Sella twins.

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Speaker 1: They are psychic, and they've had a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: things happen. It's Philip and Ronnie. They're both clear of

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Speaker 1: a mediums UFO investigators and authors. Philip has had many

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Speaker 1: bizarre UFO paranormal experiences throughout his life along with his

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Speaker 1: like I said, identical twin brother Ronald or Ronnie, he

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Speaker 1: began to research the phenomenon This is Philip on a

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Speaker 1: serious level investigations after an alien abduction in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: It led him to writing several books. His brother. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they just have to kind of be a part of

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Speaker 1: the same thing along the way, and they have. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about that tonight. They have an

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Speaker 1: incredible history behind them and both of them together co

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Speaker 1: hosts a radio program for the Paranormal UK Radio called

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Speaker 1: Twin Souls. So if I'm sure you've heard of them before,

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Speaker 1: I know they are huge, and so here they are

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Speaker 1: for the first time here on Coast to Coast. They've

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Speaker 1: interviewed many people along the Way, authors, other authors and

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Speaker 1: other experiencers and investigators on all topics of the bizarre.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, one of their UFO experiences that they've

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Speaker 1: had themselves has been caught on camera and we're going

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Speaker 1: to ask them about that too. So now they get

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Speaker 1: to make their debut first time on Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: So can sella Twins Welcome to Coast to Coast A M.

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Speaker 1: Philip and Ronnie. Hello Connie, this is Philip, delighted to

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Speaker 1: be on your program. Thank you very much. Hello, Connie,

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Speaker 1: this is Ronnie. Delighted. I'm so glad that you guys

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Speaker 1: know to do that, and we'll be doing that all night.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. These are two of the nicest people

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Speaker 1: you'll ever meet. First of all, not just talented with

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Speaker 1: but just super guy. Now. So I got to ask something,

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Speaker 1: and this is probably the most important question of all.

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Speaker 1: Are you both Are you twin abductees, twin contactees or

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Speaker 1: twin experiencers. Well, this is Philip. I would say really

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Speaker 1: that we were twin abductees, and we recall one each.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie's was in nineteen eighty two and mine had been

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine. What I recall at the events

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Speaker 1: very clearly. So that's I think how you would label us, okay,

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Speaker 1: because you know the difference, right, Yes, we do indeed

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Speaker 1: know the difference. That may have been some other experiences.

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Speaker 1: But as I said, you know, we deal with facts

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Speaker 1: and as they come about. So if we have no

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Speaker 1: what I respect about you guys. Absolutely, So is there

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Speaker 1: anything else you want to tell about yourself before we

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Speaker 1: to make sure, I mean, you have quite a background,

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Speaker 1: both of you. Yeah, I mean, this is Philip. Again.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't intentional in any way or form. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: this is Ronnie. I'm also an artist, and it strangely

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