1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the podcast. As we continue 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: to talk about candidates for the Texans head coaching job, 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: and another interview went down that really sparked a lot 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: of reaction. Johnny did as Josh McCown gets another look 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: by this staff, this squad, if you will. Nick as 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Sarrio led search and last year he was interviewed for 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: the job, obviously didn't get it. It was David Culley 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: this year interviewed for the job, and social media goes nuts, 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: and I get it, And I know you have a 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on this, and you were closer to 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: the flame, so to speak last year, the twenty twenty season, 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: I should say, because McCown was here on the squad 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and sort of was a player coach, although not with 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: that title, and you were in the inner tier during 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: that COVID stricken year. I know last year was a 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: COVID stricken year. I was in the inner tier this 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: past season. But what did you make a mccount as 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: the player coach? And again I'm using that term not 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. And by the way, we disclaimer this 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: right now, we have not talked to Nick As Sarrio. 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: Jack Easter being cal McNair about this surge. You know, 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: it's really interesting how they don't ask our opinion on Yeah, 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, is Doc Corielle still available? Oh he's dead, 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: darn it, Joe Gibbs, is he a possib No? But anyway, Yeah, 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: they don't ask our opinion, but we have takes on 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: things and information on things. Anyway, player coach. They didn't 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: call him that, but I'm calling him that. Josh McCown 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans during the brief time he was here, 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: so in the summer I think it was the summer 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, and I, you know, followed McCown's career. 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: He's from Texas. He played at SMU then with the 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: same Houston and so I've followed him for a long 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: time and I've always just read. And there was a 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: NFL Films, uh segment that they did on his daughters 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: wearing like all of his different churs. He's all the 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: different places he had been and it's a lot of them. 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: It's a lot of them. I had seen different miked ups. 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: But then so I had a pretty I thought it 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: was a pretty fair opinion on everything that I had 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: heard about him. Was great leader of men, like all 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: the things you want out of a coach, and I'm 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: putting air quotes up of a coach. And near the 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: end of his career. One did I followed from Afar 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: was when twenty eighteen was he with the Jets. He 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: was the backup to Sam Donald. Here's a rookie quarterback. 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And you would hear Donald talk about mccount and it 47 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: was almost as if Donald was talking. As I would listen, 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: it sounded I was like, whoaa, McCown's still playing because 49 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: it sounded like Donald was talking about mccount as a coach. 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: That's the way it felt. So the twenty nineteen he 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: goes to Philadelphia Eagles. Fast forward the summer of twenty twenty, 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: we find out that the Eagles were the team on 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: the show All or Nothing, Yeah, And it was essentially 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the Hard Knocks in season before the Hard Knocks in season. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: It's pretty much the same as the same thing, just 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: to rebrand Hard Knocks during the season. That's what they 57 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: did with the Colt exactly totally rebrand it started. It 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: was so good last the last good episode, Like I 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: talked about it that in our last podcast. But it's 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: worth mentioning again. See the last episode. It's so satisfied 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: to see the Colts loose to the Jags and missed 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Anyway, go on. So I watched the whole season, 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: and I wondered, I knew how the thing ended. Yeah, 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: I knew how it ended, So I was very curious. 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: There's there's season in twenty nineteen. They make a run 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: for the playoffs, but they get bounced in the first 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: round of playoffs. Some account has to go in the 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: game because Whence gets hurt and gets a concussion because 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Clowney had landed on him, and so he's out after 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe two possessions. Some account's got to go in forty 71 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: years old, whatever he's got, and he he didn't do 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: a ton that day, but he pulled his hamstring at 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: some point running too, and he's doing everything possible to try, 74 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: and I'm cheering like hell for him. Drew Dorty and 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I've had this conversation a million times because he started 76 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: SMU and then his final year after there were some things, 77 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: and the irony of all that was the quarterback that 78 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: they were playing at SMU in the two thousand season 79 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: that they kind of were in and out with a 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: couple of guys, but the guy they were playing was 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: a guy named David Page. Well, he ended up being 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: a year behind me at the University of Virginia when 83 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I was going through getting my masters, and so David 84 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: would show his you know, showed me the two thousand teams, 85 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: showed me him playing. He showed me and playing against 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers getting sacked by Peppers. And so Page then 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: didn't go back for two thousand and one, but neither 88 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: did n't account and Soccount. I'm going to same you stay. 89 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: So Jue and I've talked about this a lot because 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: drews Sam sold better about the lack of so Mad 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: that mccount left SMU to go to Sam Houston. So 92 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: I watched this season and I text Drew and I 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: kid you not. This was before the twenty twenty season 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: even started. I text Drew and I'm like, I want 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Josh McCown with us anyway, shape or form, in any capacity. 96 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: You really felt that way, Yeah, I said, I've watched this, 97 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: I've read so much about him. I've seen the stuff 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: with the Jets, I've seen him miked up. I'd never 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: met him. Everybody though that I talked to said, you'll, 100 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: you know you would love Josh McCown. He is fantastic. 101 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: He's great. Look at all these different teams, teammates talking 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: about him, players that you know, like Sam Donald, the 103 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: way that Sam Donald talked about him with his time 104 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: with the Jets, the Eagles, how Carson Wentz talked about him, 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: how he talked with Carson Wentz on the sideline, like 106 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: all that would be miked up. You'd see mccount camar. 107 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was fascinating. And I got through with that. 108 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I just said, Drew, Josh m account as a guy 109 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: I want with this Texans organization in any way, shape 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,119 Speaker 1: or for him. Now, did I fast forward to twenty 111 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: twenty one last year when he gets an interview? Did I? 112 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't even think he's gonna end 113 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: up with us as a player. But then when I 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: heard he was coming here as a player, I thought, Okay, well, 115 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: this is pretty good practices being a coach, So maybe 116 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: it's a good thing. Maybe you can end up coaching 117 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: with us and in some capacity. This will be awesome 118 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: because I think he would be really good for an organization. Well, 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm at the Senior Bowl driving to the stadium, driving 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: to South Alabama Stadium, and I'm listening to the guys 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: in six ten and they report, oh, yeah, Josh McCown 122 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: got an interview as head coach. And it's funny because 123 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: my first reaction was like, oh interesting. It wasn't like 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: what it was like. That was just interesting because I've 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: thought over the years, like, what is what's the what's 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: the role of an NFL head coach? Like what what's 127 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: the expectation of the NFL head coach? And I think 128 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: the expectation has changed significantly over the years. Well, he's 129 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: got to be exces knows, and he's got to be this, 130 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: and he's got to make, you know, these game management decisions, 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: et cetera. And he's got to be a leader of men. 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: He got all these different things that you're looking for 133 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: in a head coach, right right. And Josh McCown wasn't 134 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: playing a lot the last four or five years of 135 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: his career, so those essentially were years spent as a 136 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: pseudo quarterback coach. And I don't really care that he 137 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: didn't have coach in front of his title, if you will. 138 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: As a leader, I love him now as a head coach, Well, 139 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: I can understand completely why people outside the building look 140 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: at and go what in the Sam Hill? I get it, 141 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: I understand. I understand that completely. But if I think 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: about a leader that I would want next to me, 143 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: that i'd want a foxhole, I'd want Josh McCown, I 144 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: really want, I would, I would want Josh mccount. Now again, 145 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: like I said, as head coach, boy, they're gonna be 146 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: things that he's gonna be hit with that he's never 147 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: been hit with before, regardless of being a player or not. 148 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: But when I saw when he went through in twenty 149 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: nineteen in Philadelphia, where he would practice all week, he 150 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: would get on a plane Friday morning, he'd fly to Charlotte, 151 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: he'd coached his son's game in high school that night, 152 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: get up the next morning, fly back to wherever Philadelphia 153 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: was playing, and be ready to go, studying the playbook 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: onto plane, making sure he was all set and good 155 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: with the playbook or any changes that had happened, that 156 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: he was ready to go for twenty nineteen such that 157 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: he could go in a playoff game and at least 158 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: keep the engine running. He didn't have a lot going 159 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: on around him. Miles Sanders was already out of the game, 160 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: but he kept him in that game in large part 161 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: because all those years have experienced. So from that perspective, Yeah, 162 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: and again do I see it as a tough sell mark, Yeah, 163 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: because because of how things have transpired over the last 164 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: few years. Yes, if this was this was the first 165 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: time something unconventional was happening, then maybe I could maybe 166 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier sell. Maybe, Hey, you've been 167 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: doing the traditional thing all these years, maybe something or 168 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: orthodox work. Well, I think people would say, well, you've 169 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: done un orthodox the last three years. You know, Ob 170 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: went from head coach to head coach and didn't tell 171 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: everybody who's the GM. The next year he was head 172 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: coach and GM. Then that didn't work, So then we 173 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: went to Nick. It was Nick and Cully, and then 174 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: it goes to Nick and now a new head coach. 175 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: And so people look at and think, well, it's been 176 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: unorthodox the last few years. And I think that's maybe 177 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: what people are having an issue with. But as far 178 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: as a leader, as far as knowing x's and ohs, 179 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: as far as the guy that, of course, what's most 180 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: important is how he would come in here and do 181 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: the Coaches show with you and I, well, that's really important, 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: Johnny exactly. I think you do a great job. And 183 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: we have so much to talk to him about because 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: of all the teams he's played for. I'd be like, 185 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: enough on what's going on right now, let's talk about 186 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: the past some more. Yeah, McCown is in the class 187 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: of O two, so David Carr, Joey Harrington, and way 188 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: down the line Josh McCown, who lasted eons longer than 189 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: the other two who were drafted in the top three, 190 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: including car number one overall by this franchise. I just 191 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: think that's a funny, trivial stat about him, or a 192 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: factoid about him. There's a lot to unpack him what 193 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: you just said, and in no particular order, let's go 194 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: through some of it here. The leader thing, some people 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: are great leaders. That doesn't necessary mean you're going to 196 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: be a great NFL coach. I do like the fact, look, 197 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: if it's going to be this guy, we're doing a 198 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: podcast here in all the candidates, and so we're talking 199 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: about Josh McCown today. I do like the fact that 200 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: he's played very recently. I think that helps an awful 201 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: lot with an awful lot of things like practice and 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: the way players feel about things, and how a locker 203 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: room is in a modern locker room because he's seen 204 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: it in O two and he's seen it in twenty twenty. 205 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty strong stuff. And he's been a 206 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: player during COVID, which who knows when that's gonna really end, 207 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: and all the testing and everything else that goes into that, 208 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: so he has an understanding of this. That's really cool. Now. 209 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I always say this with anybody who's the first time 210 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: head coach, and a lot of these candidates will be 211 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: other than Brian Flores, they're all first time head coaches 212 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: to be right, So with McCown sitting in the big 213 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: chair would be extremely different. Seth Pain brought up something 214 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: really good on Friday as well when he talked about Look, 215 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: first time head coach is one thing. First time coach 216 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL felt is another. The grind of it Now, 217 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: he's Josh McCown is a super smart guy. He knows 218 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: how many hours they work, he knows what goes into it. Intellectually, 219 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: he totally understands that. But it's another thing to understand 220 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: it and live it right, to actually live through that 221 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: grind doubt, you know, like, oh man, you know, I've 222 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: now been in the office till whatever it is, ten 223 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: at night, whatever the hour is, for eight weeks, and 224 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm done. You know, I'm not saying he would be 225 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: that way, but it's a possibility because somebody would be 226 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: that way. He's never done it. Because if you've never 227 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: done it, you've never done it. Yeah, that's just it. 228 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: You know. It's like people who think they can do 229 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: a talk show right, four hours Monday through Friday. That's sound. 230 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: You know, you just talk about sports, right, you do 231 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: Monday's show and you go, oh man, awesome, awesome, it's Monday. Yeah, 232 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: and then Friday, like yeah, I was kind of now 233 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: three weeks in, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I'm exhausted, 234 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: and I have I That's the thing. You gotta keep 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: the engine running, the mouth. It's a motor skill when 236 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: you're doing a talk show. And a lot of people, 237 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: people who do good podcasts, would not last a week 238 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: doing four hours of talk radio a day. Not all people, 239 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of them could handle it, 240 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: but you know, in the nineties and look, this is 241 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: a podcast, so we can stretch out here, I don't 242 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: have to hit the break. In the nineties, I worked 243 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: for a station and we were picking up a network 244 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: show with the comedian David Brenner. Remember David Brenner, You know, 245 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: he was just he was like kind of a Jerry 246 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: Seinfeld before Seinfeld, but not nearly as successful. And he 247 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: used to guest host The Tight Show and stuff like that. Anyway, 248 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he did a four hour talk show. 249 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: He was or three or four hour talk show. He's 250 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: gonna do this. It was like, David Brenner is gonna 251 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: do a talk show, won't it be great? And then 252 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: stations we're looking for programming to fill time, being news talk, 253 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: and the format was very popular at the time, so 254 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: we put him on. He was done in like three weeks. 255 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: It's like, I can't take this here. You know. Dick Cavitt, 256 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: who had done a super successful talk show on TV 257 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: throughout most of his life, was starting to do a 258 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: three hour radio show late in his career, but he 259 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: faded because it's just too much. So that's my point 260 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: about some of these coaches or just projected people who 261 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: would be really good as a head coach or even 262 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: as an assistant coach. The hours will kill you. Now, 263 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he can't handle it. Chime, Maybe he 264 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: can handle it. Like I said, he intellectually understands this. 265 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he could handle it. That would be cool. All right, 266 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: So let's say this, he's got the hours. Good. You 267 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: mentioned it head coaching. Has it changed? Has it evolved? Yeah? Maybe, 268 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: but the coordinators have to be there for he cannot 269 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: coordinate and head coach. And for those of you saying, well, 270 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe he should jump in and be a coordinator first, yeah, maybe, 271 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: but that's hard too. And I don't want to say 272 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: that might be harder, but in some ways it might 273 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: be harder. It's very different. Put it that way. Here's 274 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: two words for you, Mike Vrabel. Yeah, good, great comparison there, 275 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: that's actually a very good comparison. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean 276 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: we all, I mean we watched we watched Vrabel as 277 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: a position coach. And I remember it was maybe a 278 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: year or two in Excellent. You and I were sitting 279 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: next door where we used to be, and we're like 280 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: that dude, the head coach. There's no doubt he's gonna 281 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: be a head coach. On what made us say that? 282 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I think it was just the command and the respect 283 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: that he got. But but the other thing was we 284 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: could see his players, individual players getting better. Like we 285 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: watched Whitney Merciless in twenty fourteen, and obviously there were 286 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: concerns about Wit in twenty and twenty fourteen. Because I'm 287 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: sitting there watching twenty thirteen, I'm like, Okay, WIT's got 288 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: some pass rush ability. There's something there. But man does 289 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: not play the run, he doesn't play the game violently, 290 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: et cetera. Vrabel came and it was a constant. It 291 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: was every single day. Vaybel just beat him down, and 292 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you started seeing results. And then 293 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: when he started seeing the results, and then that the 294 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: vrabel onslaught slowed because now he was seeing he seeing it, 295 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: they all were seeing it, Like all right, he's doing Now, 296 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: let's expand, let's do more teaching. I've gotten into him, 297 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I've gotten what I wanted. Let's go. And obviously you 298 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: can see it with what he's done with Tennessee. But 299 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: for me, we could see how players reacted to Rabel. 300 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we watched him play four square and he's 301 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: sitting there playing four square, competitive, pushing them every single 302 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: day to get the highest level of competition there too. Yes, 303 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: I saw Shane on the field after the game that 304 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: we played against Tennessee week eighteen, and he's just kind 305 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: of shaking his head, like, man, this stuff is just 306 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: too stressful. And and you bring up a great point 307 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: mark about the coaching aspect, it's real. I mean I 308 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: can speak to it on a much smaller level because 309 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: growing up here in Texas, I never saw my dad 310 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: on a Sunday. I never saw him because they were 311 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: in game planning for the name. They were in at 312 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning and they didn't get home 313 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: until eight thirty nine o'clock at a Sunday on a 314 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: high school of football. And I'm just like, so I 315 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: understood that it needed to happen, but then when I 316 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: had to do it, and I didn't have quite the 317 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: setup that they did in Texas, so I would do 318 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot at my own. Yeah, I mean, my wife 319 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: didn't understand a lot of times, Hey are you coming on? 320 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: And I lived just in the southern football field. I'm like, honey, 321 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: I got one more game to get through and I 322 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: gotta break it all the way down. So it's gonna 323 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: take me in the ninety minutes, and so you gotta 324 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: handle all that and there's so many of the things 325 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that we don't quite get um when you know as 326 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: a player versus now I'm the coach, and I remember 327 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: thinking as a coach, holy crap, I didn't even know this. 328 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know this. Wow, I certainly did not know that. 329 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: And then you have a few ells, and then you 330 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: start questioning everything a question. You question everything, every decision 331 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: you've ever made. Why did I get into coaching? Why 332 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: did I do this? The Els or Killers? Now, obviously 333 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: the Dubs end up being really cool. Those are awesome, 334 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: and that's what brings you back. It's that shot on 335 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: eight team, Yeah, from one hundred and seventy five and 336 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: you're knocking within three feet and you're like, I'm coming back, baby, 337 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm back next week. Where are we playing? Where are 338 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: we playing? Champions? I mean? And then you get out 339 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: there and you're on fourteen, going why didn't do this? 340 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: That's kind of what coaching is. Coaching is like a 341 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: round of golf. It's like a it's honestly like a 342 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: round of golf. And so you know that, and as 343 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: a player, you know it's one of those things where yes, 344 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: twenty four hour rule. You gotta win, you gotta get 345 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: beyond it, you gotta lost, you got to forget about it, 346 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I think it's a player, 347 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier to do to move on from. 348 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: And as a coach, dealing with all that is very tricky. 349 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Seth brings up a really good point. Um from that 350 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: that standpoint, and but you brought up a good point. 351 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: I want you to finish this. The Rabel thing? Yeah, 352 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: what did Rabel do? And seventeen he was a cored quarterer, 353 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: didn't go well, lost a few lost Whitney, the lost 354 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: lost players, lost lost players, tough season. So I can't 355 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: really fully evalue wait him as a coordinator here. However, 356 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: he gets the head coaching job in Nashville. What does 357 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: he do on the defense? He hires Dean P's. He says, 358 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna hire an expert to coach 359 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: the defense so I don't have to deal with it 360 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: because I know he's got it right. And I've got 361 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator named Matt Lafleur who I know can 362 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: handle this all right. And I'm just gonna be here 363 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and be the head coach and I'm gonna get involved 364 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: and know what's going on, but I don't have to 365 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: do their job for them. And that's it, baby. And 366 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: La Fleur I told you the story, you know, week two, 367 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: I taught to him upstairs and I just felt like 368 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: he kind of channeled Vrabel. You know, he's and maybe 369 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: he's like that. Anyway, he's kind of a tough guy. 370 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't you know, he looks like you know, he's 371 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: he's he should be in high school musical part three. 372 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: He should be with zac Efron at East High and 373 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: the Wildcats. I mean, La Fleur is like forty three, 374 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: forty four years old, and he looks like a teenager. 375 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: But he's a tough guy like Vrabel in his own way. 376 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing about Rabel too. And I'm I'm convinced. 377 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm convinced of this thing that I'd like from my 378 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: head coach, in my quarterback to have gone through some 379 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: sort of adversity in life. I don't want everything to 380 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: have been easy. Yeah, And I know, people, here's the Patriots, 381 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: you want rings. Yeah, you realize, you do realize that 382 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: after two or three years with the Pittsburgh Steelers he 383 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: was doing nothing. Yeah, he was going, no, yeah, yeah, 384 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: he was not a high flutant Steelers, He's our guy. 385 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: It was like, no, we're moving, We're Patriots, all right, fine, 386 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: move on. It took a while for him to become 387 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: that we all understand him. I think, God, I can't 388 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: believe we would do this because I know how we 389 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: both feel about the Patriots. But Tom Brady's Man in 390 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: the Arena did a one of their seasons, so they 391 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: basically did a little hour. They did a mini documentary 392 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: an hour documentary at each to the Super Bowl seasons 393 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: that Brady has been part of. So for the two 394 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: thousand and three season, they had Brady and then they 395 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: had they always interviewed two other people. So one show 396 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: was like Giselle and Obi, one was Julian Edelman, and 397 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: this one was Teddy Bruski and Rabel. And it was 398 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: really interests of really interesting insight into Vrabel himself, just 399 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: listening to Vrabel and how Vrabel felt like he had 400 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: to come to every single practice with They called themselves 401 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: the Edgers because they had to come to practice with 402 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: that edge that they were always poking and prodding and 403 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: moving and sticking and jiving it with, you know, I 404 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: think back to this coaching with Whitney, and I think 405 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: about how much he pushed and just hammered Whitney every 406 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: day on little things, and I could just see it 407 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: with Wit. There'd be days where would just drop his 408 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: head like what. But then Wit started putting that into practice, 409 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: and then you saw Witt start to kind of gain 410 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: the same thing Vrabel did. He started having that little 411 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: bit of an edge. He started he kept working his 412 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: ass off, and Vrabel made the point of, oh, you 413 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: watch film for thirty minutes. I watched it for three hours. 414 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna match me. And I don't know if if 415 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: Josh McCown thinks that way and does that, but I 416 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: do think that Josh is gonna have an understanding of 417 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: how players tick. That's important. That's hugely important, especially so 418 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: if you've never been a coach before, to understand how 419 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: your players tick and what gets through to them. And 420 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: Vrabel could find it because he always had that edge 421 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: and he would push guys, but he also knew he had. 422 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: He was kind of like the Chinese finger chap or 423 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: the little finger lock thing. Yes, you know that thing. 424 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: The harder you pull, the stronger the lock becomes, which 425 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: is kind of counterintuitive, like, no, you pull and it 426 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: comes out. It's counterintuitive because you got to kind of 427 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: push in, which is God's touch. Right, there's exactly you 428 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: know what thirty eight Special said, hold on loosely, but 429 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: don't let go. Right. If you cling too tight, you're 430 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna lose control. Right. And I think that a guy 431 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: that has been around a locker room around players for eighteen, nineteen, 432 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: twenty years, whatever it was, is gonna understand that, maybe 433 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: more so than somebody that has just been coaching for two, three, four, 434 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, look, that's a There are a lot 435 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: of pluses here to that. I think the lack of 436 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: coaching is a definite factory and at all at all? 437 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Who have to acknowledge that? And you know, look, would 438 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: it serve him well to be on somebody's staff for 439 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: five years? Yeah? It would. Is this a possibility to 440 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: happen anyway? Well, they talked to him twice, so I 441 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: guess it is right. And does the fact that he's 442 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: not been on a staff for five years mean automatically 443 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: mean that it's not gonna work. Doesn't mean it's not 444 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: gonna work. This could work, Okay. Another movie reference Gene 445 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: Wilder and young Frankenstein. But it could work because of 446 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: all the things we said about the type of person 447 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: he is, the kind of help he'll have here with 448 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: the staff with Cassario. Look, don't discount the Lovey Smith thing. 449 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: I have no idea what would happen with the staff 450 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: and Lovey and all of that, but love he had 451 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: him in Chicago and they loved him in Chicago. I 452 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: talked to my friend Jeff Joniak, Voice of the Bears, 453 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: we know him, and Jeff said, this guy had an 454 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: infectious personality. Look, there's a I don't even have to 455 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: say this or get this from other people. I just 456 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: have to look at the amount of years he's been 457 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: in the league and his numbers, which are not voluminous. 458 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: There's a reason why McCown has been in the league 459 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: for a hundred years. It's because they love having him there. 460 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: And he probably plays pretty well in August. I could 461 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: probably pull up the preseason stats and they're pretty good 462 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: and shows that, you know what, he'll be a good 463 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: backup in case the starter goes out. But people know 464 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: he's not really going to be a starter, that he's 465 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: just gonna be a backup. But They want him around 466 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: because he's a good player coach, and that's why he 467 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: lasted so long there. And now he's got an opportunity 468 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: maybe to coach in this league. I'm sure he's got 469 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: an opportunity to coach in the league somehow, but obviously 470 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: talking about a head coaching opportunity is big, big news. 471 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: So look, I think it could work as far as 472 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: the thinking outside the box, doing something unconventional, doing something 473 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: against the grain. Look, the Texans, I know, and this 474 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: has been pointed out by many, have done things against 475 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: the grain. Bill O'Brien, general manager, against the grain, you know. 476 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean you look at David Culley, no coordinate experience. 477 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: That's not totally unusual because he's been a quarterbacks coach 478 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: and a passing game coordinator and all that, and Harbaugh 479 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: and Andy Reid too, of his big bosses are very 480 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: successful weren't coordinators before they were head coaches, So there 481 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: was some precedent there. This is really way out. There's 482 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: more precedent in the NBA, for instance. You know, he's 483 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: talking about Steve Nash, but he's not Steve Nash. Steve 484 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: Nash is MVP, right, McCown's not that but maybe mccount 485 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: is something maybe even more important, you know, which is 486 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: a guy who had to make the team every year, 487 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: adversity adversity in that way on field, on practice, field, adversity. 488 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: I gotta make the team this year. I'm not guaranteed 489 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: anything of I don't play well, and look for a 490 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: guy like McCown. If he doesn't play well in August, 491 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: he gone done. Adversity, it's over. It's tough. Yeah, so 492 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: you know he's lived through some of that and who knows, 493 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: but it's hard to get anybody to say anything bad 494 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: about him. In fact, they say Vrabel like things in 495 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, but in the league gets a thousand 496 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: years kind of way. So I don't know. Maybe it 497 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: could work, and it's pretty interesting. Here's what I think about. 498 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: I just think about how things went down over the 499 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: next you know, three years, and obviously won the division 500 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: in eighteen nineteen, so I think I don't even know 501 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: if there was a decision to make at that particular point, 502 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: but Rick Smith left the organization to be with his 503 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: ailing wife in at the end of twenty seventeen. Correct, 504 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: that was when Mike Vrabel left to take the Tennessee job. Ye, 505 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: and I wonder a what it would have been like 506 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: had Vrabel taken over as the head coach here at 507 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: that point? What would people have said about him? In 508 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Houston here never been a head coach. His one year 509 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: as a coordinator, they were thirty first or thirtieth or 510 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: thirty first in the league? What would they have said 511 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: about Vrabel? Fast forward to this weekend when the number 512 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: one seed in the AFC, the Tennessee Titans, are playing 513 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: led by one Mike Vrabel, what would people have said 514 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: at that particular point, At that particular point, I just 515 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: think it would have been an interesting discussion. You're right, 516 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of doubt, you know, 517 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: because I mean, was Bill was a firing of Bill 518 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: O'Brien at the end of twenty seventeen justified by the 519 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: outside world? I think, yes, you know, if you look 520 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: at like, all right, a coach goes four and twelve, 521 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: I know he had injuries. Well, just the timing of 522 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: it too, the fact that obviously Rick and o'bee for 523 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: a few years had been kind of budding heads. Then 524 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: Rick steps away. Could that have been an opportunity to 525 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: clean house completely? Like I said, Bill then turned around 526 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen one AFC THEFC South both years and with 527 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Romeo coming back as the defensive right. The other thing 528 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: about that, particular to the Texans, of course, was Watson 529 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: got hurt. Now Watson's coming back, and they made magic 530 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: together for six and a half games, and you wanted 531 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: to see the encore of that. You wanted to see, 532 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, where they gonna go because we never 533 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: really saw that again on a consistent basis, as consistent 534 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: as nineteen touchdown passes in six and a half games, right, 535 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that was ridiculous production. We never saw it again. Yeah, 536 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, that was amazing. New England, Seattle. I mean 537 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: teams on the schedule, Kansas City that were good teams. 538 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: Kansas City was good back then, folks. Look it up. 539 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: I know Mahomes wasn't playing yet, but they were good. 540 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: They were playoff teams. So Kansas City existed before Patrick Mahomes. 541 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: They I mean, Andy Reid did what starting in twenty thirteen, 542 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: He turned that whole sucker around. He just took it 543 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to another level with Mahomes. So good for him and 544 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: good for them. But AD's an interesting point. You bring 545 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: up Johnny and look it could work, it would be 546 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: highly unconventional. Like you say, it's a tough sell to 547 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: a lot of the general public and media, And it 548 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: is a fair point to say, there are a lot 549 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: of guys you're passing over who had if you make 550 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: this decision, who have a lot of experience coaching in 551 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: this league. But look, you know, I want them to 552 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: do what they think is the very best. They have information. 553 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: I always say this about the organization, whatever organization it is, 554 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: making a decision, they have way more information than you do. 555 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: Whatever you think they had, whatever you think you have, 556 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: they've got more. And you know, hopefully, hopefully they make 557 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: a great decision and it gets the Texans a ton 558 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: of wins and an eventual super Bowl and all of that, 559 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: and we're here for it. Thank you, my friend,