Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, Wow, lost culture ding,
Speaker 1: Lost Culture.
Speaker 2: Lisa is calling, Wow, I wake up.
Speaker 3: I get on the zoom, I see my sister, and
Speaker 3: I say, you know, I really don't fellowship with these
Speaker 3: fake ones.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. Fellowship with the fake ones?
Speaker 2: Is this Matt Rodgers original. It's not what if you're
Speaker 2: not listening to Cowboy Carter. See, this is such a
Speaker 2: lyrically and sonically dense album that I'm still kind of
Speaker 2: getting off books even though it's been the only thing
Speaker 2: I've been playing for the last what ninety six hours,
Speaker 2: I identify with like fellowship with these fake ones. It
Speaker 2: sounded familiar obviously, and you know, I went, but maybe
Speaker 2: my girl came up with that. But it's my other girl.
Speaker 3: It's your other girl, of course, Beyonce Noles Carter, Missus Carter, herself,
Speaker 3: the Cowboy Carter, who has released her eighth studio album,
Speaker 3: Cowboy Carter, as you all know.
Speaker 2: Readers, Katie's publicist and finalists.
Speaker 3: But yes, I don't fellowship with these fake ones. Is
Speaker 3: something that jumped out on the record.
Speaker 2: Is that American requiem that sounds like it American record. Now,
Speaker 2: what is that from? See?
Speaker 3: And even I can't say necessarily it's from because like,
Speaker 3: are you checking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, Becca's right, it is Daughter's.
Speaker 3: By the way, and we'll get to these songs like
Speaker 3: but it's like you said, it's not like any of
Speaker 3: the regular pop girly albums where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: can turn it on. I can easily digest these thirteen
Speaker 3: songs if that, and then come on here and be like,
Speaker 3: you know, it feels it feels crazy to be like
Speaker 3: album of the year, But show me the album of
Speaker 3: the year if it's not this.
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's I'm ready to say that it's
Speaker 2: her best album. I am too, even though you know
Speaker 2: I have a fucking gorilla grip on four Emo.
Speaker 3: There's a full size shape in my heart. I've been
Speaker 3: clutching onto four for the past. God, what's it been
Speaker 3: twenty eleven? So that's thirteen years. I thought you were
Speaker 3: just gonna say, God, what's it been twenty years? And
Speaker 3: I literally bowen. There was a chill that ran up
Speaker 3: my spine. It's creeping up there. It's not that far
Speaker 3: away from twenty twenty eleven. Oh my god, that is surreal.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like this is I mean, it's all things.
Speaker 3: It's experimental, yet it also feels like very at the
Speaker 3: heart of who she is. It does land squarely in
Speaker 3: the country album a country genre rather, but as she said,
Speaker 3: it is a Beyonce album through and through. Fans of
Speaker 3: hers will recognize so much of this from the beginning.
Speaker 3: It somehow is like, yes, it's presented as this country album,
Speaker 3: and it is in the country genre, but it's also everything.
Speaker 3: It's got blues, funk, pop wrap. It has everything, and
Speaker 3: it's also it feels like it's from the future and
Speaker 3: also a throwback simultaneously.
Speaker 2: Just what more could you want? Let's just get into it.
Speaker 2: Should we do track by track?
Speaker 3: Let's attempt let's a time because as you said, I'm
Speaker 3: with you, like it's hard even when it's.
Speaker 2: Been on ad nauseum.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so Ariana Grande had her two weeks with me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I had my eternal
Speaker 3: sunshined moment and now I'm cowboy Carter and then you know,
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks when another one of the
Speaker 3: pop gurly stomps.
Speaker 2: In, We're gonna stay. We'll be rotating out.
Speaker 3: But these albums will always be here in the lexicon
Speaker 3: of my musical heart.
Speaker 2: M Well, you know this is scheape, It's it's Everyone
Speaker 2: is already kind of marking this as a big pop
Speaker 2: early year. I think we haven't seen this kind of
Speaker 2: pop early year since the year that we are going
Speaker 2: to excavate later on. We're getting back to it, everybody,
Speaker 2: don't worry. Yes, twenty thirteen was kind of the last
Speaker 2: big watershed year for this. I would say twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: speaking of four, that was the same You're Born this
Speaker 2: Way came out, So let's just let's not discount that either.
Speaker 2: I don't think it can be discounted.
Speaker 3: I also will say that I looked at the doc
Speaker 3: which you so generously prepared for twenty thirteen, and I
Speaker 3: did see one album it rhymes with smart pop, and
Speaker 3: I got really excited.
Speaker 2: So we'll get there.
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Speaker 2: There are going to be many surprises in store. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and mm hmm. Can we quickly just give praise and
Speaker 2: thanks to poverty shallow for showing up. Absolutely for showing
Speaker 2: up and glowing. You know me and you saw me
Speaker 2: that day. I was very flustered. I don't get very
Speaker 2: starstruck around people, but that was it was our So
Speaker 2: everyone who's like Parvety needs to be on the pod.
Speaker 2: She's been on the pod. She has been on the pod,
Speaker 2: and some might say even she might say that her
Speaker 2: being on the pod in twenty twenty was a very
Speaker 2: big moment for her in terms of her awareness of
Speaker 2: being a gay icon. She's saying it, not us, she's
Speaker 2: saying it, and we've been out here keeping for Parvety
Speaker 2: in the gayest way possible, you know, before a lot
Speaker 2: of other First first to give credit, Aaron Jackson is
Speaker 2: the original gay Survivor megafan. Yes, yeah, totally. She showed
Speaker 2: up and I was so not nervous but just like
Speaker 2: skittishly overjoyed. She is so infectious. She is so charming.
Speaker 2: She does just flirt with you. Yeah, And by flirt
Speaker 2: with you, I mean she like she really just like
Speaker 2: draws you in and like she like, I'm so happy
Speaker 2: that she had such a sense of humor about me
Speaker 2: doing an impression of her doing a cameo because because
Speaker 2: I told her that I watched Parveties. She's the only
Speaker 2: person whose cameos I watch for like ASMR comfort because
Speaker 2: they're so comforting. The way she like talks to the camera.
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, Janine, it's Parvety from Survivor. She's already
Speaker 2: from the Survivor. And I heard that you have a
Speaker 2: birthday coming up. That's amazing. I had my birthday a
Speaker 2: few months ago. It was really good. So I hear
Speaker 2: that you loved skydiving. That's really scary. Must be very
Speaker 2: that's harv. That's the magic and beauty of parv and wow,
Speaker 2: she gave us lots of fun tea from the set
Speaker 2: of Traders season.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's what you're saying. It's like she comes in
Speaker 3: and it's like you can't help but like smile.
Speaker 2: And giggle you know what I mean, Like you get it,
Speaker 2: you got it. I was giggly af But that was
Speaker 2: a very fun day. Props to Disco Net Productions, to
Speaker 2: Lauren Mandell for putting it together.
Speaker 3: And we can't wait to see you. You can see
Speaker 3: more to come, more to come, much more wizardry to come.
Speaker 3: Speaking of sorcery, let's get into it. Let's get into
Speaker 3: Cowboy Carter this episode, Cowboy Carter more like cowboy culture.
Speaker 3: To get through the Sentince, can you tell I rehearsed
Speaker 3: that you did Cowboy Carter more like cowboy culture?
Speaker 2: You had that back pocket? Wow, my girl. Listen, she's
Speaker 2: a writer. She's a writer, she's a performer. Someone's been writing.
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers has been writing again. Okay.
Speaker 3: Did you ever see that review of The Gilded Age
Speaker 3: when it was like Julian Fellows has been typing again?
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. It's a great, great
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: So speaking of America, where the guilded Age just set.
Speaker 3: The first track on Cowboy Cartter is American Requiem.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a moment, perfect opener, and I think American
Speaker 2: Requiem and Amen as the opener en closer work individually,
Speaker 2: obviously work com paired together as a men kind of
Speaker 2: recalls that sort of opening so beautiful and hunting. I
Speaker 2: mean there's like a melancholy throughout the album that like
Speaker 2: is immediately set in the beginning with this track. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just these like these huge gospel harmonies.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that, like, especially with the
Speaker 3: knowledge that everyone had this is going to be this
Speaker 3: country album, I think everyone was sort of really anxious
Speaker 3: to see what that really meant. Was it going to
Speaker 3: be traditional country, was it going to be contemporary country?
Speaker 3: What angle was she gonna take with this? Because honestly,
Speaker 3: Texas Hold Him in sixteen Carriages suggested that it could
Speaker 3: be either you know what, or it could be anything,
Speaker 3: because sixteen Carriages is this big moment, and I just
Speaker 3: remember hearing that and thinking, oh, I can't wait to
Speaker 3: feel this in a stadium, these like big sounds and
Speaker 3: this big vocal and then Texas Hold Him is very
Speaker 3: much like a fun, easy hooky country.
Speaker 2: Song, and so what are we getting?
Speaker 3: And then American Requiem starts and it's these huge, big
Speaker 3: gospel vocals and harmonies, and you get that this is
Speaker 3: gonna be really a nod to the roots of the
Speaker 3: country genre, which is really what this is. She is
Speaker 3: throwing it all the way back to the beginnings of
Speaker 3: this and the beginnings of her in many ways, because
Speaker 3: you feel with every note of this song that this
Speaker 3: is authentic to her and that this is something that.
Speaker 2: Almost like she's been waiting to sing, you know, you
Speaker 2: get that. Yeah, Well, let's talk about the fact that
Speaker 2: this was supposed to come out after Lemonade or after Homecoming,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever the chronology you want to see, the
Speaker 2: first of the trilogy was intended to be this. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible that she like had this whatever the
Speaker 2: grand vision for this album was at whatever stage, Like
Speaker 2: I think obviously, like the two eyes being peppered throughout
Speaker 2: the track list are like yes, obviously not to like
Speaker 2: act too, and like who knows like how pre planned
Speaker 2: that was. I mean obviously like after Renaissance comes out,
Speaker 2: like they like might have thought of those throughout the
Speaker 2: track list. But she says that she she was like
Speaker 2: trusting God's timing with this, and like that shows an
Speaker 2: immense patience and restraint and like wanting to get this right,
Speaker 2: wanting this to impact properly, wanting this to tell her
Speaker 2: story properly. I think, like this is the thing about Beyonce.
Speaker 2: It's like someone on TikTok was saying, she is like
Speaker 2: a utopian artist. She has always been a utopian artist.
Speaker 2: That her work has always been hopeful, but there's something
Speaker 2: beyond hope, beyond singing about hope. It's about giving people
Speaker 2: a blueprint for like how to live in a better world,
Speaker 2: especially in a world that is like hostile towards you,
Speaker 2: hostile towards so many people, everybody at this point that
Speaker 2: American requiem and then with a man as the closer,
Speaker 2: like they are leaving things on a note of like
Speaker 2: the statues that were built were like beautiful but made
Speaker 2: of lies and like built off the backs of people
Speaker 2: and my people, and there is something like to build
Speaker 2: out in the future, like Beyonce. Like at this point
Speaker 2: I was talking to my to Jake, you know, Jake,
Speaker 2: the guy who cuts my hair. He's like the biggest
Speaker 2: Prince fan ever, right, And then I got a haircut
Speaker 2: with him yesterday and I was like, we were talking
Speaker 2: about this album, and I was like, I'm asking you
Speaker 2: as a Prince fan, like I am wondering if you
Speaker 2: think Beyonce has like reached maybe even exceeded that thing
Speaker 2: that Prince did where it's like he is a symbol,
Speaker 2: that he's more of a symbol than an individual person.
Speaker 2: And obviously like these are both like amazing artists, but
Speaker 2: like people with like immense visions for the pop landscape,
Speaker 2: the artistic landscape, the like American landscape, and like you know,
Speaker 2: Lemonade was like her Purple ragin in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: like God, I love Lemonade the way you said, oh
Speaker 2: I love Lemonade was. But like I think Beyonce has
Speaker 2: like modeled a lot after Prince. Remember Formation World Tour,
Speaker 2: that show we went to where like it was right
Speaker 2: after he passed away, and then she like wasn't even
Speaker 2: on stage doing.
Speaker 3: She fucking destroyed Purple Range. She destroyed Purple I don't
Speaker 3: think she was on stage for that. I think there
Speaker 3: was a performance where she did it and she killed
Speaker 3: it and then she're right, she just let it play.
Speaker 2: She just let it. But then she was like wailing
Speaker 2: on that guitar like yeah, or just on like the
Speaker 2: like that that ending. Anyway, Jake was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I might have like led the question, but
Speaker 2: Jake was like, no, I think I think she has.
Speaker 2: I think she has like blown past any prior model
Speaker 2: of like a pop star and a visual artist in
Speaker 2: like music. We'll get to like the Beatles and Dolly
Speaker 2: Parton and like all these people later, but like we're
Speaker 2: only we're still in track one, but like American rec Raem,
Speaker 2: it's like the clearest statement of her like utopian thing
Speaker 2: of her, Like even like on Lemonade, like All Night
Speaker 2: Formation is the closer, but All Night Being I consider
Speaker 2: like the last song, and it is like out of
Speaker 2: like this devastating betrayal, like she still has this like
Speaker 2: design for like how to heal from this, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: that is Beyonce in a nutshell to me.
Speaker 3: And I also think it's so interesting with her because
Speaker 3: you know that she comes to this project with so
Speaker 3: much purpose, but really album to album, you do you
Speaker 3: get the sense that.
Speaker 2: Yes, she knows.
Speaker 3: I think she's so aware of the fact that she's
Speaker 3: so meaningful and that she is in her ambition equally
Speaker 3: as talented, and she can achieve so much and she
Speaker 3: can mean so much. But also you get with each
Speaker 3: body of work that she's just trying to expand herself,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, She's just trying to execute
Speaker 3: whatever the vision is at that moment. And I also
Speaker 3: think it's important here when we're talking about American requiem
Speaker 3: to define what does that really mean? And requiem by
Speaker 3: definition means a mass for the repose of the souls
Speaker 3: of the dead. It's an act of token, a remembrance,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so American Requiem, she
Speaker 3: is saying, I am exhuming, Yeah, those that have been
Speaker 3: forgotten in this type of landscape, and this is going
Speaker 3: to be a tribute, but it's also going to be
Speaker 3: a celebration, and it's going to be a reminder. It's
Speaker 3: going to be all three of those things at the
Speaker 3: same time. And I think when in your comparison with
Speaker 3: her and Prince, it's like be able to confidently make
Speaker 3: that statement at the top, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like mission statement, we are bringing this back like country
Speaker 3: music is for us, it is for me, and I'm
Speaker 3: bringing everyone with me, and I'm elevating everyone else, because
Speaker 3: you know what follows is Blackbird, where she's got these
Speaker 3: black women in country music on this record with her,
Speaker 3: and now you see the result is all these women
Speaker 3: are charting, all these women.
Speaker 2: Are now names.
Speaker 3: And in fact, that was the original intent of the
Speaker 3: song Blackbird, which Paul McCartney, you know, he apparently said
Speaker 3: that his vision for Blackbird was that black women would
Speaker 3: sing it together and that that would be like the
Speaker 3: way that that song could be actualized in its best form.
Speaker 3: And Here'sance doing it and coming out of American Requiem.
Speaker 3: I just think that's very special, and it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: rendition of the song.
Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous rendition of the song. I think between
Speaker 2: the covers, the two covers, this is the one that
Speaker 2: I prefer wildly. We'll talk about Jolie, Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah. But they talked to one of the
Speaker 2: Little Rock Nine women and like wanted her reaction to
Speaker 2: Blackbird being covered by Beyonce, and she was like, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously huge thing for Paul McCartney and Johnlennon to like
Speaker 2: write this song about us at the time, but then
Speaker 2: it has this like emotionally crazy for this woman because
Speaker 2: It's like I never thought the biggest star in the
Speaker 2: world would be a black woman who would then full
Speaker 2: circle like bring this song back out and it has
Speaker 2: an extra meaning to it. Yes, And she said, you know,
Speaker 2: when Beyonce sing something, people listen, and I think, like,
Speaker 2: just to go back to American requiem, it's like, can
Speaker 2: you hear me? Can you hear me? Like whatever the
Speaker 2: country establishment, however, they respond to this album. They have
Speaker 2: no choice but to listen but to hear this statement,
Speaker 2: and like, I think that is enough, Like that is
Speaker 2: enough for Beyonce to do so that like it cannot
Speaker 2: help but be noticed. And I think like Blackbird is
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing to come out of that first song
Speaker 2: with like you said.
Speaker 3: And also we should say the women on this song
Speaker 3: are Britney Spencer, Rainer Roberts, Tanner Adell, and Tierra Kennedy
Speaker 3: and they they all sound amazing. And you know, I
Speaker 3: think when it comes to country music's acceptance relationship with
Speaker 3: dismissal of her in this genre, her with this project,
Speaker 3: it actually really doesn't matter what quote unquote country music
Speaker 3: thinks of this album, because what that says and what
Speaker 3: that denotes is that they're actually.
Speaker 2: Right full gatekeepers of.
Speaker 3: This genre and they are not. And so that, I
Speaker 3: guess is the thing like when you talk about why
Speaker 3: this project even exists, and she says herself, she had
Speaker 3: an experience in country music where it was clear she
Speaker 3: was not welcome. She's obviously referencing the CMA Awards. When
Speaker 3: this was years ago, she had released Daddy Lessons and
Speaker 3: she went on the CMA Awards with the Chicks to
Speaker 3: perform Daddy Lessons because the Chicks had been performing the
Speaker 3: song in concert. Natalie Mains allegedly was obsessed with Lemonade
Speaker 3: and wouldn't stop talking about it. They were performing it
Speaker 3: all the time, the song and Beyonce had heard of
Speaker 3: this and upon invitation there's a great oral history of
Speaker 3: this night by the way Vulture did it, And upon invitation,
Speaker 3: Beyonce said, I'll do it if I can do it
Speaker 3: with the Chicks like great, absolutely so administratively at least
Speaker 3: at the beginning, and in terms of like the way
Speaker 3: they were producing the performance.
Speaker 2: It seems fine.
Speaker 3: There was all this positive energy around it, and they
Speaker 3: worked so hard to get it right, and they worked
Speaker 3: so hard on the performance, and then it happens, and
Speaker 3: I of course watched it again, and something that I
Speaker 3: noticed was it's a very Nashville country room, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Nashville country meaning people in that town
Speaker 3: that create that genre in a popular sense. Nowadays, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of Nashville songwriters and Nashville performers that run
Speaker 3: that genre. And anyone coming in from the outside gets
Speaker 3: like a cock guy, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: gets sort of like the stink.
Speaker 2: Guy in a way.
Speaker 3: And there she is, and I wish you can watch it.
Speaker 3: She is getting the stink guy. Kenny Presny is there
Speaker 3: with his sourpuss, you know. In that oral history, Alan
Speaker 3: Jackson is referenced as having walked out in the middle
Speaker 3: of the performance, like very rudely and saying like fuck
Speaker 3: this or whatever. Some people there are giving her love
Speaker 3: and attention, like Faith Hill is up at her seat,
Speaker 3: clapping and enjoying it. And there's a moment where they
Speaker 3: cut to Beyonce. There's a couple moments actually where Beyonce,
Speaker 3: who energetically is fucking crushing it. But there's a little
Speaker 3: tiny bit I sense, a little bit of nervousness, and
Speaker 3: there's a moment, a couple moments where she actually blows
Speaker 3: kisses to people in the audience in a way that
Speaker 3: she never really would And the only the only emotion
Speaker 3: I can really ascribe to her in that moment is
Speaker 3: like there's a little bit of relief there in that
Speaker 3: someone is giving her like love and attention and admiration
Speaker 3: and respect for being there and being up there, especially
Speaker 3: alongside the chicks who had been really cast out of
Speaker 3: that entire genre and that entire you know, community, And
Speaker 3: it just felt like, Wow, what that must have felt
Speaker 3: like to work so hard on something and to perform
Speaker 3: something that is so authentically her Daddy Lessons is authentically Beyonce,
Speaker 3: and it's authentically who she is and where she comes from.
Speaker 3: And to leave feeling like in any way like you
Speaker 3: might not belong there had to be incredibly like dysmorphic
Speaker 3: in a way. And then for her to take that
Speaker 3: and be like, let me actually examine this feeling and
Speaker 3: this response I got and make sure that I'm right
Speaker 3: because I know I belong in that room. I know
Speaker 3: this is my genre, I know these are my roots,
Speaker 3: and she, in doing that, has created this and is
Speaker 3: doing things like you know, American Requiem, Blackbird, the cover
Speaker 3: of Joe Lene all these things, bringing people in, elevating
Speaker 3: people and showing that like that response was bullshit and
Speaker 3: the way she was treated was bullshit, and it was
Speaker 3: bullshit for the CMA Awards after all the negative racist
Speaker 3: shit that came out afterwards, for them to pull her
Speaker 3: performance down off of YouTube, to pull all the promotional
Speaker 3: aspects of her appearance off of YouTube, just like they
Speaker 3: eventually did put it up because they were called out for,
Speaker 3: you know, for what it was, but just the fact
Speaker 3: that that was an experience she had to have. Thank
Speaker 3: God she is the artist that she is and the
Speaker 3: person that she is that she was able to create
Speaker 3: something triumphant out of that and to really say to
Speaker 3: everyone like, if you don't think I belong here, fuck you,
Speaker 3: who do you think you are? And if you are
Speaker 3: a country music person and you think you know better
Speaker 3: than Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton, then I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fucking yeeha. I guess as they say, good for you,
Speaker 2: but you don't.
Speaker 3: And I knew that she would bring in big guns
Speaker 3: to like to shut everyone down. I had a feeling
Speaker 3: it would be Garth Brooks, but it ended up being
Speaker 3: Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton. And she just shut everybody
Speaker 3: up with that. It's like, stop spinning out, Like the
Speaker 3: literal godmother and godfather of this genre are fucking cool
Speaker 3: with me smoking weed on my album, So shut up.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's a perfect way to sort of digesting
Speaker 2: process all of that. Because and even like she mentions
Speaker 2: like the like AO two I when later on the album,
Speaker 2: like this is Beyonce. Petty is not the right word,
Speaker 2: but this is Beyonce, like jilted. This is Beyonce like
Speaker 2: sort of like like openly being like I'm a human being,
Speaker 2: like I take these losses or this treatment. Like it's
Speaker 2: not that she like is totally crushed by these things,
Speaker 2: but it's like she is like like it lands on her, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she will do something with that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I like have this fantasy for the longest
Speaker 2: time of like I don't think Beyonce really cares about
Speaker 2: like the album of the year losses at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, Like she is still like at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, the most like decorated Grammy winner
Speaker 2: ever and like ever all these things. But you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: only in a song like and I'm getting ahead of myself,
Speaker 2: but only in like a Joline is it, like do
Speaker 2: you go? Well, it's not believable for Beyonce to feel
Speaker 2: insecure about like to be like threatened by another woman,
Speaker 2: because why would she, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: so therefore you have to like change the POV and
Speaker 2: have it be like I'm warning you don't come from amen. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: Like there are little like intentionally presented moments of vulnerability
Speaker 2: on this album that I think are pretty incredible and
Speaker 2: also very country, very country that we haven't seen from
Speaker 2: her since definitely since Lemonade. But I think like in
Speaker 2: a way that is like that breaks the fourth wall
Speaker 2: even further where it's like, oh no, she's talking about
Speaker 2: her work. She's talking about the way she knows herself
Speaker 2: as an artist, and like this is the thing that
Speaker 2: we keep coming back to, like in our personal lives,
Speaker 2: Matt and I. But it's like, no one can tell
Speaker 2: you who you are. You don't negotiat who you are
Speaker 2: with other people, Like she is not negotiating who she
Speaker 2: is with other people, and I think through this album
Speaker 2: she is refusing to let other people evaluate her art.
Speaker 3: M Yes, I mean she even said the other night
Speaker 3: or it was last night, I think I heard a
Speaker 3: word on Monday. I heard a word she talked about
Speaker 3: like how criticism can really be a test of your
Speaker 3: mental health. Like even she has had to rise above
Speaker 3: that type of thing, and she, you know, the noise
Speaker 3: does get to her when she continually loses Album of
Speaker 3: the Year despite having released the Album of the Year
Speaker 3: several times now, it feels like they're testing her.
Speaker 2: And pushing her. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you are Beyonce, thank you cutting back
Speaker 3: to the view.
Speaker 2: When you are Beyonce, that is your reality, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I'm nominated again for Album of the Year, there's expectation,
Speaker 3: I've done this level of work. I lose again and
Speaker 3: again and again. You know, of course that's going to
Speaker 3: be something that like psychologically, it's like, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: What more can I do? What more can I do?
Speaker 3: And I also think that kind of dovetails nicely into
Speaker 3: the next song, which is sixteen Carriages, because she talks
Speaker 3: about the very relatable universal thing of maybe this song
Speaker 3: lyrically is not literal, but this idea that I have
Speaker 3: had to work really fucking hard since I was young,
Speaker 3: and it was on me a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: Of course, I had help but I had to see
Speaker 3: my family unit disintegrate. I had to lose friends, I
Speaker 3: had to test myself. I had to deal with racism.
Speaker 3: I had to and still like I'm here, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. I have arrived. This has been a
Speaker 3: journey for me, and here is the story of my journey.
Speaker 3: Here is the way I'm going to show you how
Speaker 3: I've gotten through my adversity. And it's this great fucking
Speaker 3: song that I know, Like everyone that was at renniss
Speaker 3: I just thought about that same Renaissance crowd being at
Speaker 3: the Cowboy Carter crowd and the response is going to
Speaker 3: be the same.
Speaker 2: Ye'll be the same. It's universal. It is pretty incredible
Speaker 2: that these are so far act one enough. Two are
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna say, lateral albums, like there is not
Speaker 2: something totally like the ven diagram is mostly a circle here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like there is no reason why someone who likes
Speaker 2: one album wouldn't like the other, at least to me
Speaker 2: if you're a real Beyonce fan. And I'm not gatekeeping
Speaker 2: real Beyonce fandom here obviously, but it's like you should
Speaker 2: absolutely just appreciate both. I don't think she's gonna do
Speaker 2: this sphere. I think she if she thinks this is
Speaker 2: her best album ever, she will want to take it
Speaker 2: around the world. Hm hmm. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: When there's smoke, there's fire with the sphere, I'm convinced
Speaker 3: on something.
Speaker 2: The fear that it's gonna be the sphere. Oh, this fear,
Speaker 2: not the sphere, the sphere.
Speaker 3: Yes, what I'm saying is where there's smoke, there's fire regarding.
Speaker 2: The fear fear, Yes, yes, I think this fear that
Speaker 2: it would be this sphere.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Me afraid are going back to Vegas because I know what,
Speaker 3: I'll become fucking crazy whore if it's for Beyonce. This
Speaker 3: you you need to be No, I want that to
Speaker 3: be a pure watch me, bitch, hold my drink. Actually, don't,
Speaker 3: I'll do shrooms. I won't like get drunk, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Even though it is like, oh, it's the Rodeo, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's dirty.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a party atmosphere and you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, It's like it's gonna be And that's another
Speaker 3: thing is I was like, you know, having been to
Speaker 3: Vegas so many times and after coming off my big
Speaker 3: year of concerts, like this music is going to play
Speaker 3: so well in such a big way. Sure, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like the Sphere made a little bit more sense
Speaker 3: to me upon listening. And then it's funny because like, well,
Speaker 3: not with the next song I'm talking about actually Bodyguard,
Speaker 3: which is later, but it was around Bodyguard where I
Speaker 3: was like, actually, this album feels very Vegas to me,
Speaker 3: like and it feels very like people from all over
Speaker 3: the country being able to go to one place. Like,
Speaker 3: but I do think you're right, like imagine reimagining the
Speaker 3: sphere as a rodeo. There's something with the sphere. I
Speaker 3: do think you are right. She will want to take
Speaker 3: this around the world, but people from all around the
Speaker 3: world do go to Vegas.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that looks like.
Speaker 3: It just felt to me at several different parts of
Speaker 3: this album like if there's ever to be a Beyonce
Speaker 3: Vegas residency, this feels like it totally.
Speaker 2: But I think you're.
Speaker 3: Right that this feels international in a way and such
Speaker 3: a moment of pride for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just leave it to her to decide how
Speaker 2: she showcases that sixteen carriages. Honestly, it's about her sacrifice.
Speaker 2: It ends it sort of. It comes back around to
Speaker 2: like her being a mother now and her making her
Speaker 2: choosing not to make the sacrifices in honor of like
Speaker 2: tending to her family, which brings us to protect her.
Speaker 2: I mean, beautiful, just beautiful, just.
Speaker 3: To start with rumy, like, it's such a beautiful song.
Speaker 3: And you know what I love about the whole beginning,
Speaker 3: I guess i'll call it like the first act of
Speaker 3: this album before we get to the smoke hour, is
Speaker 3: that it almost tips back to the beginning of the
Speaker 3: Renaissance World tour where she comes out and she gives
Speaker 3: the ballads and she's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Almost like easing us in.
Speaker 3: Like this whole first act of the album is her
Speaker 3: just easing us in telling us stories, beautiful stories. And
Speaker 3: that is such a cornerstone of country music as well,
Speaker 3: is that it is the storytelling musical genre.
Speaker 2: And she is just so beautifully and plainly.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just thought of the line and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cry, Like and even though I know someday
Speaker 3: you're gonna shine on your own, I will be your
Speaker 3: projector like what a beautiful plain sentiment in a lyric.
Speaker 3: The melody is gorgeous and it is so felt, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like she continues to be one
Speaker 3: of the most vivid singers out there. And I say
Speaker 3: that in you hear the love and the emotion and
Speaker 3: the attention and the care in her voice. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like, it's just stunning. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The first time I heard this, I see the
Speaker 2: song titled Protector and just in like that run, like
Speaker 2: just the the drop of the word projector was to
Speaker 2: me like breathtaking. It was like obviously like with the
Speaker 2: lead in and the lyrics like beautiful, beautiful lyric. But
Speaker 2: I go, oh my god, I did not that was
Speaker 2: not the word that I thought was gonna that was
Speaker 2: gonna be sung. You know, like there was something there's
Speaker 2: something really so powerful and like strong, like it is
Speaker 2: a strong song for being so gossamer and fragile and
Speaker 2: beautiful and like it's a lullaby, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: Rouney Wants the Lullaby. And I think this is a
Speaker 2: pretty fucking incredible song. And it's a nominee for Mother
Speaker 2: of the Year. It's a nominee for Mother of the Year,
Speaker 2: the song Protector Mother of the Year. Let's keep going
Speaker 2: to My Rose, Into Smokeower, Into Texas, hold Them. I
Speaker 2: love it. Yeah. I think this is a very elegant,
Speaker 2: Like Maroes is kind of like an invitation into like
Speaker 2: it's you're right, It's like it closes out this first
Speaker 2: act of the album, act within an act. Myros is
Speaker 2: like let me tell you, let me tell you a
Speaker 2: story about like vulnerability and about like what it means
Speaker 2: to be human. Basically. I think that is also like
Speaker 2: Beyonce's thing, like other than being a utopian artist, She's
Speaker 2: giving you stories about humanity whatever. I'm like being so
Speaker 2: like college student about this. But then smoke Our is
Speaker 2: so cute. Love this like parallel conceit of like club Renaissance.
Speaker 2: You're at the club and now you're like just listening
Speaker 2: to the radio. You're listening to the radio k N
Speaker 2: t R Y like Willie Nelson is like pressing play
Speaker 2: on his tracks, like take yourself to that place where
Speaker 2: your mind is happy, I think he said, or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, Oh my god, my fireworks, just my god.
Speaker 2: Boeen you will be projector wait, that was so good.
Speaker 3: Bowen in the Zoom like as he was talking, like
Speaker 3: the joy emanated from him and he truly there was
Speaker 3: fireworks that went off in his zoom.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. I didn't even know that was a thing.
Speaker 2: You can do visual thing if you do double pace signs.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I have to say, like when the
Speaker 3: Smoke Hour hit, I got this euphoric feeling.
Speaker 2: I was like when you hear Willie Nelson's voice and like,
Speaker 2: no need to know your name? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like this my name, you need to know yours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know my name? No need to know yours.
Speaker 3: Like there's this humor in it and this like ease
Speaker 3: and this relaxation, and it does make you want to
Speaker 3: hit the blunt.
Speaker 2: And you know I did. I walked over.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, Willie Nelson is telling me that
Speaker 3: I need to hit this blunt for at least this
Speaker 3: moment of the album, so you can catch me over
Speaker 3: here smoking.
Speaker 2: It's the smoke out for me as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, And just the way it goes into Texas Hold
Speaker 3: Them Texas, Hold Them hits so hard on the album.
Speaker 2: You keep saying in context, it hits even better harder
Speaker 2: in context.
Speaker 3: It hits so hard, and like when it starts out
Speaker 3: of that like real little radio, the fuzzy radio thing,
Speaker 3: and like that little am moment that we get with
Speaker 3: Willy into Texas Hold Him. That's when you start, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, that's when you start. We're
Speaker 3: at the hod and we're we're doing it and it's
Speaker 3: so much fun. I've always loved Texas Hold Him since
Speaker 3: it came out, and it's been on constant loop for me.
Speaker 3: But it has new life for me now in its
Speaker 3: place here.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, coming to me now to real life
Speaker 2: boogie in a real life hodown. She has in an
Speaker 2: interview this week, also said that like she wanted to
Speaker 2: move away from electronic sounds in response to like this
Speaker 2: like AI takeover in music, which is not to say
Speaker 2: that there is no like electronic influence in production throughout
Speaker 2: the rest of the album, and she's she's even saying
Speaker 2: that in a way that doesn't even cheapen or devalue
Speaker 2: anything that she's done before. But it's like, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: proud of all that, no, of course, But like if
Speaker 2: you also think about this album as like as like
Speaker 2: a rejection of like AI the aification of music of art,
Speaker 2: It's like that is also like so so like that's
Speaker 2: exactly what we need from an artist like her at
Speaker 2: her level, you know what I mean, Like it's a
Speaker 2: real life boogie or real life hodeout. It's like this
Speaker 2: is this is about life, this is about like real people,
Speaker 2: you know. And I can't believe we're having this conversation
Speaker 2: like that, like we would rather have real human beings
Speaker 2: and real instruments be played on in our music. Like
Speaker 2: that's of course, it's such a dark debate to be having,
Speaker 2: or it's such a dark like existential thing to like
Speaker 2: think about. But if any artist is going to like
Speaker 2: write a pee into like actual music, like it's Beyonce.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because she walks the walk every time.
Speaker 3: I mean like these are all real instruments, These are
Speaker 3: all like you know, and she's even not been shy
Speaker 3: and said like this is a response to the A
Speaker 3: I think, you know what I mean. Like, by the way,
Speaker 3: you have to watch this episode of Black Mirror. Ali
Speaker 3: pank You directed this episode of Black Mirror with Annie
Speaker 3: Murphy and Salmahayak, And it's like I kind of can't
Speaker 3: believe that it was like I guess shot it and
Speaker 3: written like over two years ago because it is so
Speaker 3: it Well, first of all, a yeah, that it was
Speaker 3: made that Netflix was like, I guess willing to be
Speaker 3: the butt of this joke, which is like everyone just
Speaker 3: watch it. It's it's really about I think I'm.
Speaker 2: The only person who hasn't seen it, by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's really about like the AI likenesses
Speaker 3: and everything. It's like what we sign when we sign,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, it's like what we
Speaker 3: give up when we allow our image to be manipually
Speaker 3: it and distorted. It's you got to read those terms
Speaker 3: and conditions. Girl, That's all I'm saying. But this episode,
Speaker 3: the episode of Black Mirror was so fun and it's
Speaker 3: a comment on the AI thing, and so that's why
Speaker 3: I brought it up. But yes, like Beyonce is an
Speaker 3: authority here. I mean, she is the queen, and the
Speaker 3: queen is saying return to reel. It's actually the culture
Speaker 3: number thirty. The Queen is saying return come back to
Speaker 3: real life. Wake up Sheeple, Wake up Sheeple.
Speaker 2: After the Super Bowl when the song came out, like,
Speaker 2: I don't like we didn't fully get an awareness of
Speaker 2: Rien and get in the woman who plays the Banjo
Speaker 2: on this and who also has a has a writing
Speaker 2: credit or a production credit on on American Requiem too,
Speaker 2: Like she seems like a cool fucking musician. She seems
Speaker 2: like a cool fucking person. Writing credit, Yes, writing credit,
Speaker 2: That's what it was. Anyway, anything else to San Texas
Speaker 2: hold him before we move on.
Speaker 3: That it rocks and I love it, okay, And then
Speaker 3: Bodyguard is such a such a vibe and a slick.
Speaker 3: This is the moment when I was just like, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can see this in Vegas for sure.
Speaker 2: You can I feel Slot Machine energy on this one.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, I guess you're right. It's giving ms
Speaker 2: Ron's stat you know what I mean, Like, that's what
Speaker 2: it's giving to me. It's giving, like it's almost giving
Speaker 2: like Carol King.
Speaker 3: It's almost giving like it's feeling seventies to me in
Speaker 3: a way that it's feeling like seventies rock country, uh huh,
Speaker 3: but still light in a way that feels to me.
Speaker 2: Very very very at home in a place like Vegas.
Speaker 2: That's why that's what I felt when I listened to
Speaker 2: I Love this song. You know, there is not a
Speaker 2: lot of contemporary country in this album in a very
Speaker 2: intentional way. She is like firmly rooted in history in
Speaker 2: a way that is like a fuck you to anyone
Speaker 2: who's trying to like make this thing out of like
Speaker 2: Black Country being this novelty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's also like that goes like
Speaker 2: the seventies sound of Bodyguard. I love it. It's great.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's a perfect, perfect lead up into Jolene.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're in the smoke Hour with Bodyguard.
Speaker 3: Let's just say that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: we are in the smoke Hour with Bodyguard. Let's not
Speaker 3: even dispute it. Like we're high at this point. Joline,
Speaker 3: she's such a legend, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, and then.
Speaker 3: I wonder if Beyonce said, like, do you think there
Speaker 3: was a script typed up? Or do you think she
Speaker 3: was like Dolly, I want you to introduce my cover
Speaker 3: of Joline.
Speaker 2: I bet that's what happened. I bet it was just that.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dolly's saying like it's just a hair a
Speaker 2: different color, but it hurts just the same, Like that
Speaker 2: that's like that's coming from Dolly. She had a flame
Speaker 2: in locks of auburn hair like this idea that having
Speaker 2: auburn it's like bad bad.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you know who's had auburn hair many times in
Speaker 3: her career, Miss Beyonce. Yes, there was a time when
Speaker 3: she was auburn haired pretty exclusively. Yes, yes, yes, but okay,
Speaker 3: so Joline. The cover of Joline the first time I
Speaker 3: was the Scanton freaked me out.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie like having known totally, having known Joline.
Speaker 3: The way that we all do it is one of
Speaker 3: the iconic songs in the lexicon. To hear it done
Speaker 3: in a different way. First of all, I didn't know
Speaker 3: if it would be a direct cover. I would have
Speaker 3: been down with that. And then for her to reimagine it,
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: You're saying scanton like, like the way the syllables are
Speaker 2: falling in the melody correct was different and that rattled
Speaker 2: you in a way that probably was by design. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, I don't like it at the beginning.
Speaker 3: And then I listened to it a few more times
Speaker 3: and I realized that we were in the smokeour, and
Speaker 3: me being in the smokeour, I said, now let me
Speaker 3: just listen to this a different way, and now I
Speaker 3: love this because I think this Live is going to
Speaker 3: be so funny. Yeah, so fun and so like aggressive
Speaker 3: in a fun like don't you dare? This song is
Speaker 3: an Answer is the sequel to the film Obsessed. It
Speaker 3: is the sequel to the film Obsessed. Fance will kick
Speaker 3: your ass if you come near jay Z. Sean Carter
Speaker 3: is off limits women. It's actually the culture number sixty.
Speaker 3: Sean Carter is off limits women. And just the way
Speaker 3: it doesn't really rhyme and it doesn't really work, I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm. I have said that between this and Blackbird,
Speaker 2: I think I even the Blackbird is a straighter cover
Speaker 2: on like every level and like it's produced the same.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate this like element of like I think,
Speaker 2: like Josh Sharp was saying that, like there is like
Speaker 2: a light like chain game like layer to it, and
Speaker 2: I love that too. For me, for now, I am
Speaker 2: kind of like, let me just get to like Daughter
Speaker 2: and like get to the car of.
Speaker 3: Bew and Yang with the descent on this one, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm not like it's it's not a full descent.
Speaker 2: I think like this is the beautiful part of this journey,
Speaker 2: just like I didn't realize what is it. I don't
Speaker 2: fellowship with fellowship with the fake ones where they say
Speaker 2: it ones. I think this is just another contour of
Speaker 2: the album that I have yet to like appreciate fully.
Speaker 3: I think that once we all make the collective decision
Speaker 3: to just have fun with this one, like Beyonce is,
Speaker 3: We're all going to be a healthier, safer world.
Speaker 2: Yes, because we're all just going to be vibing.
Speaker 3: And when we get to the point where everyone in
Speaker 3: this world is just vibing, we will be a healthier
Speaker 3: and safer planet. You will see disease starts to go away.
Speaker 3: You will see the return of the rainforest. You will
Speaker 3: see the courrier reef, the courier reef come back, the
Speaker 3: courier reef. You will see that in the war we
Speaker 3: all start vibing. Like Beyonce is, we will see return
Speaker 3: to peace.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is the thing. She's utopian. Okay, daughter,
Speaker 2: this is a Batman villain song. I decided totally our
Speaker 2: kham Asylum with her. She is a super villain. It
Speaker 2: is not only a Batman villain song. It is like
Speaker 2: Joel Schumacher coded. Oh, it's camp It's so Campian haunting,
Speaker 2: and it's so it's so like, not even Tim Burton.
Speaker 2: I think it's Schumacher. I'm still laughing on this one.
Speaker 2: Colder than Titanic water.
Speaker 3: First of all, coming out of Joline the first time,
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know about colder than Titanic.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What do you have again?
Speaker 3: You love Titanic culture, I know, but like describing the
Speaker 3: water as Titanic water to me was too funny, And
Speaker 3: then I was like, wait, it's too funny.
Speaker 2: I love it. Titanic is on the brain for everybody,
Speaker 2: always monoculture.
Speaker 3: You new Titanic was monoculture when it was in Cowboy Carter.
Speaker 3: Now it's confirmed. And now it's confirmed. Kate winslet Hive rise.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she survived.
Speaker 2: The song Daughter she did? She did. How do you
Speaker 2: feel about carmeo Ben being sung every what every vocal
Speaker 2: student has had to begrudgingly sing in auditions for in
Speaker 2: showcases for years and years and years. Yeah, she should
Speaker 2: reclaim it along with everything else.
Speaker 3: I feel as though the more this song gets crazier,
Speaker 3: the better it is, And it gets crazier and crazy
Speaker 3: crazy to the point where I'm like, damn, like, how
Speaker 3: was this created?
Speaker 2: Like I really do want to smoke what she smokes.
Speaker 2: I do, I do I do?
Speaker 3: In the words of cal Mitchell, I want to understand
Speaker 3: how she gets there creatively with this. Let me look
Speaker 3: at these fucking credits. Okay, Yeah, first of all, First
Speaker 3: of all, I don't even know how. I don't even
Speaker 3: know how to wrap my head around how this gets made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know daughter specifically. Yeah, it's one of
Speaker 2: the wackiest songs on the record. It's wacky, but I
Speaker 2: think it's like it is like a haunting Beyonce song
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and you always appreciate those.
Speaker 3: Were you in the thread when we were ranking Beyonce's
Speaker 3: scariest songs.
Speaker 2: I think I was at work and I just picked
Speaker 2: it up and I didn't fully give it a close read.
Speaker 3: This is in the top five of scariest Beyonce songs.
Speaker 3: It's this six inch Don't Hurt Yourself. Uh huh, Becker
Speaker 3: goes no, that's a bonus bone ten scariest Beyonce songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that can't get misinterpreted.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, what else, there's there's a couple other
Speaker 3: ones that are so scary. Uh huh oh ring the
Speaker 3: alarms terrifying.
Speaker 2: Ring the alarm is scary. Superpower is a little scary. Hmmm,
Speaker 2: I know you hate superpower. It's not that I.
Speaker 3: Hate superpowers, just that I don't can I don't naturally
Speaker 3: connect with superpower. Hunted, of course, Haunted, Haunted slash Ghost
Speaker 3: is so scary. And then finally, the scariest Beyonce song
Speaker 3: of all time is Daddy, Daddy Lessons No Daddy, her
Speaker 3: song to her father, I Love you Daddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's dangerous in love right.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the closure of Danish Lee in Love, where
Speaker 3: she sings, I want my husband to be like my daddy,
Speaker 3: my daddy, my daddy, my daddy. It's it's like still
Speaker 3: when she's very Matthew Knowles coded, but it is fucking
Speaker 3: insane to listen to.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but then it kind of is the perfect
Speaker 2: setup for all of this, Like post Matthew, that that
Speaker 2: threat in her story where it's like, oh, like her
Speaker 2: father like fucked her up. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's odd, it's really weird, and we're I'm happy we're
Speaker 3: out of that era.
Speaker 2: Well, like this is broken, Like she's a perfect mother
Speaker 2: to these children.
Speaker 3: Speaking of mothers, another nominee for Mother of the Year
Speaker 3: is Tina Tina Lawson, Tina Knowles. I have to say,
Speaker 3: first of all, if you're not following Tina Knowles on
Speaker 3: Instagram and you you were missing out of her corny joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, corny jokes.
Speaker 3: When Tina Knowles says it's time for another corny joke,
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna be a really wonderful day.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a laugh riot. Yeah. And we
Speaker 2: need to find those when we can, because I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think it's just our comedians are failing us me included,
Speaker 2: us included. Don't you ever say that to me. Listen
Speaker 2: to me. We're not failing. You're right, Let's move on
Speaker 2: to spaghetti. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt like coming out of the last few songs,
Speaker 3: I was like, we needed this one. Not that not
Speaker 3: that I've been unhappy, but that I was just like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, we're moving again.
Speaker 2: I love this, We're moving again. It feels like it
Speaker 2: almost could have been on Renaissance in a way totally.
Speaker 2: But first of all, before we talked about the song
Speaker 2: in earnest, I think Aaron Jackson should do a new
Speaker 2: I don't think sahony that includes the phrase when days
Speaker 2: are for being at home listening to spaghetti, you are
Speaker 2: so right, you're right, and you should say it, and
Speaker 2: then you did say it, and I did spaghetti. I
Speaker 2: really think has implications for Act three. And here's why
Speaker 2: we talk about this. It opens with Linda Martel being like,
Speaker 2: genre is a funny thing if this whole album is
Speaker 2: like an essay on genre and not necessarily just country,
Speaker 2: but just like the concept of genre, like does is
Speaker 2: Act three gonna be genre specific at all?
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this, like how does Beyonce create
Speaker 3: a new genre? You know what I'm saying, It's like,
Speaker 3: how what does that look like, sound like, feel like?
Speaker 3: Because it almost feels like that is the natural conclusion, right,
Speaker 3: Like she did Renaissance, which was, you know, this celebration
Speaker 3: and this like this like genre of music of dance
Speaker 3: music that feels intrinsic to her and intrinsic to like
Speaker 3: a certain community and a celebration of that. And then
Speaker 3: there's Cowboy Carter, which is this reclamation and like this
Speaker 3: like triumphant like roar of like who she is, and
Speaker 3: like it's just a statement on that genre. And now
Speaker 3: it feels like the Obviously the third one has to
Speaker 3: be quote unquote genre specific in some way or thematically
Speaker 3: specific in some way. But I think you are onto
Speaker 3: something here, which is it feels like the next place
Speaker 3: to go is somewhere we've never been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily rock the way that
Speaker 2: everyone has been saying, or that the rumor is simple. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if it is rock, then like the the threat I
Speaker 2: see is like Tina Turner, but I don't know. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you just saw with that one, but you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And like, but is it a full Tina Turner Prince
Speaker 2: thing or is it like what you're saying, where it's
Speaker 2: like a new invented Beyonce kind of like genre of music,
Speaker 2: even though the aesthetic of a Beyonce song, album, music
Speaker 2: video is so established at this point, I don't know.
Speaker 3: The one thing we can be sure of is that
Speaker 3: she will not repeat herself. I think that is one
Speaker 3: thing we like. There's been some talk that it's going
Speaker 3: to be a straight R and B album, and I
Speaker 3: just don't think that that's where we're headed in terms
Speaker 3: of if this is a trilogy where we are so
Speaker 3: specifically soaking into these things, then I feel like we're
Speaker 3: going to see new terrain. And when you say the
Speaker 3: words Tina Turner, that makes sense to me, Like, because
Speaker 3: if the mission statement of this whole trilogy is we
Speaker 3: are reclaiming these things, and we are celebrating these things,
Speaker 3: and we are reminding people of where these things came from.
Speaker 3: It's like the way she like reclaimed Vogue with that remix,
Speaker 3: honoring so much about like not only that culture, but
Speaker 3: also the way that culture was popularized with the Madonna
Speaker 3: sample and everything. And then there we have Cowboy Carter,
Speaker 3: which is so what it is for country music in
Speaker 3: the country genre. What you're saying about Tina Turner, that
Speaker 3: feels like someone that she will and Prince and Prince
Speaker 3: those are people that she will honor in a big way.
Speaker 2: And those are like the final bosses for her, you know,
Speaker 2: because there is no Beyonce without Tina. Right four, Prince
Speaker 2: or Prince. You say the word Prince. I love the
Speaker 2: saying Prince. What can I say? But Prince? Are you
Speaker 2: sexually attracted? I think a specific era of Prince. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course he probably was an unbelievable way. Of course,
Speaker 2: that's how you write shit like that. Damn by fucking
Speaker 2: is if the.
Speaker 3: Dick is powerful, powerful dick will get me singing. It's
Speaker 3: actually a real culture number six. Powerful little dick will
Speaker 3: get me singing and writing.
Speaker 2: And writing Alligator Tears, I think for me this is
Speaker 2: like a new like this section, so Alligator Tears just
Speaker 2: for fun is like this section where I'm I'm the
Speaker 2: most fuzzy on but I am this morning, I gave
Speaker 2: it one one more listen, one more spin through of
Speaker 2: the whole album, and I like, I was, like, I've
Speaker 2: been sleeping on Alligator Tears and I need to give
Speaker 2: this more love.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing that's gonna happen with an album
Speaker 3: that's this vast and like with this much content is
Speaker 3: it's just like you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna get fatigued at a certain point.
Speaker 3: And this is this is a moment in the album
Speaker 3: where yes, I like you like had to maybe at
Speaker 3: this point the Smoke Hour gets to you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We're about to end the
Speaker 2: Smoke Hour one. This is closing out Smoke Our one
Speaker 2: and Smoke Our two is telling you hit the blunt again,
Speaker 2: light it up again, hit the blunt again, and bowen
Speaker 2: and reader, I did, oh so thank God too, because
Speaker 2: by the way, I love Love, Valigator Tears, Smoke Garatu,
Speaker 2: you hit it again just for fun, lovely, But I'm
Speaker 2: ready to talk about too almost Wanted, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: make an announcement about too most Wanted. Go ahead, too
Speaker 2: Most Wanted. I'm Emotional is a nominee for Record of
Speaker 2: the Year. It is nominated. It is nominated for Record
Speaker 2: of the Year at the twenty twenty four Lost Culturists
Speaker 2: Culture Awards. You know what that means. You're tearing up.
Speaker 2: My sister is tearing up. Do you know what this means?
Speaker 2: This means It's going to be performed at the Lost
Speaker 2: culturesta's Culture Awards. Watch this space, Watch this space. So
Speaker 2: so far the nominees are Too Most Wanted, Guardinia by
Speaker 2: Mandy Moore, I Don't Know Why I Chuckle? And Single
Speaker 2: Soon and Singles Soon by Selena Gomez. Those are three
Speaker 2: completely different and yet equally powerful pieces of music.
Speaker 3: Because the Lost Culture is those Cultural Awards is an
Speaker 3: examination of the genre.
Speaker 2: Much like Cowboy Carter. Much like Cowboy Carter, the lccas
Speaker 2: no no genre, no no genre.
Speaker 3: You can put us in the category of award show
Speaker 3: it knows no genre but dead a dead.
Speaker 2: Ass like cut the cameras. There is something to be
Speaker 2: said about Elsie's being Award Show, Comedy show concert. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: We don't know what it is either.
Speaker 3: No, don't try to gate. Keep Jimmy Kimmel, I know
Speaker 3: you're gonna try to gate. I know you, and we
Speaker 3: know you. You hear us, I know you hear me
Speaker 3: calling you miss honey, and I have my finger up
Speaker 3: I say, get out of here.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I oh my god. Miley Cyrus's voice beautiful and has
Speaker 3: never sounded better.
Speaker 2: I I'm so proud. I am so Can I say.
Speaker 3: Especially after watching quiet on set like which will I'm
Speaker 3: which will later later, later, but.
Speaker 2: Like, let's not bring the mood down?
Speaker 3: Can I say, like someone who has also been fucking
Speaker 3: through it and had to have been doing this from
Speaker 3: a young age, and just watching her on the Grammys
Speaker 3: winning for Flowers and performing, I was like, that is
Speaker 3: a fucking super star right there, and.
Speaker 2: A Bob Mackie and you you don't question it at all? Superstar. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then when I saw that this was a duet
Speaker 3: with Miley Cyrus, I said, I know this is gonna
Speaker 3: be good, and I played it and Miley starts the
Speaker 3: song with that insanely good lyric like which is like.
Speaker 2: No, I'm dumping the gun, but we're both still young.
Speaker 3: But someday we won't be Oh dear, I said. And
Speaker 3: then Beyonce coming in. Their voice is in harmony, Beyonce
Speaker 3: with that beautiful higher harmony and like still giving the
Speaker 3: power because you know what, she knows that Miley is
Speaker 3: holding down the bottom. Beyonce has basically said, you are
Speaker 3: that girl too. Beyonce said, I am elevating you with this,
Speaker 3: not that anyone needs that, but also not for nothing.
Speaker 3: Miley has said many times on social media. Now she's
Speaker 3: like basking in this moment of being on the song
Speaker 3: with Beyonce, her idol in many ways, her inspiration like
Speaker 3: and to be seen so equally.
Speaker 2: This song is giving Thelma and Louise Well. This is
Speaker 2: like the writer die song of our generation one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: If this isn't a global number one, I don't know
Speaker 3: what is. This song is going to be played on
Speaker 3: the radio. This song is a forever song. This is
Speaker 3: one of those.
Speaker 2: In an era of loneliness. This song is like the medicine.
Speaker 3: I am feeling the spirit when you speak today, I
Speaker 3: have to say, girl, I feel the spirit every time
Speaker 3: you speak. I am truly feeling the spirit today because
Speaker 3: I'm really talking to you about this and I'm realizing
Speaker 3: how good this is. It is so I mean, I
Speaker 3: already realized, but like, man, like this is the most
Speaker 3: I would say contemporary country song.
Speaker 2: On the album.
Speaker 3: I would see Levice Jeans is this and that, this
Speaker 3: and that, but even Levis Jeans feels more like pop
Speaker 3: to me. But when that slide guitar came in on
Speaker 3: the top of two most Wanted, I said, this is
Speaker 3: gonna hit me right in the heart.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: Just that slide guitar, Like that's like it's really giving
Speaker 3: timeless contemporary modern country in a way that's so gorgeous.
Speaker 3: And what I love about Miley being on this is
Speaker 3: I know from interviews with Miley and just the you
Speaker 3: know younger now and the attempts that she's made, she
Speaker 3: really wants a place in country music too. And she
Speaker 3: has a rightful place in country music. Hers is a
Speaker 3: country voice. And the fact is they have kept her
Speaker 3: out of it too. They've kept it from her because
Speaker 3: she's not the quote unquote right kind of woman to
Speaker 3: do country music.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like Miley was two sexual, she was too suggestive,
Speaker 3: She wasn't this enough, she wasn't that enough. Like I'm
Speaker 3: sure that country music like has their bullshit reasons. This
Speaker 3: is Nashville country. I'm talking about like establishment country, which
Speaker 3: like keeping her out of it because she's made efforts
Speaker 3: and she's so fucking talented and gifted. Like it's almost
Speaker 3: like the same thing with the chicks. It's like Beyonce
Speaker 3: has said, Nope, I'm bringing everyone in that has a
Speaker 3: rightful place. And it's not just her bringing in like
Speaker 3: the black community and being like we have a place here.
Speaker 3: It's her saying, these women that have been mistreated by
Speaker 3: this genre, you're coming with me. You're on this album
Speaker 3: with me, and from Beyonce and Miley to do this
Speaker 3: song together, that is a statement.
Speaker 2: That is a statement right now, of course, and not
Speaker 2: to mention like the Willie Nelson and all either in
Speaker 2: terms of like the outlaw country estect. I think this
Speaker 2: is my most listened to song on the album. There's
Speaker 2: no question. Basically what we're saying is as soon as
Speaker 2: we heard this song, we said, we're singing this We're
Speaker 2: singing this at King's Theater. That's all you need to know.
Speaker 2: And I we're spoiling it, but like that's we have
Speaker 2: to sing this to each other. Don't do this. This
Speaker 2: song is don't you do this? I think.
Speaker 3: That's my song for my sister. This is the song
Speaker 3: of sisterhood. This is the Gregio girls.
Speaker 2: Of the new generation. You better know that I listened
Speaker 2: to Joanne again. Grezio Gross was for our parents. This
Speaker 2: is for us. First of all, all of Joanne. Respect Joanne.
Speaker 2: Respect Joanne.
Speaker 3: Joanne was Gaga's cowboy carter and it literally yeah. And
Speaker 3: I just feel like we have to respect Joanne and
Speaker 3: in a little while will respect another Gaga album if
Speaker 3: we get to it. But wow, to almost wanted, I
Speaker 3: just this is a huge hit. Rightfully, this is a
Speaker 3: stunning song. The lyrics are amazing, the harmonies are incredible,
Speaker 3: the melody is so instantly memorable, like I'll be a
Speaker 3: shotgun rider I did till the day I die. This
Speaker 3: is Thelma and Louise the song Mmm, and there's nothing
Speaker 3: I don't I couldn't say any bigger compliment than that.
Speaker 2: That'll see the two was doing it. Am I the
Speaker 2: high harmony. I think you're gonna be a high harmony.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think I think at one point
Speaker 2: they flip they flip fuck on this good.
Speaker 3: With promo code Coach, you can get sickets now to
Speaker 3: see Bowen and I flip fuck on stage at the
Speaker 3: King's Theater on June fifteenth.
Speaker 2: To the song too Most Wanted Levi's jeans forget It,
Speaker 2: forget it, forget it. I love it. I love it
Speaker 2: so much, it's so hot. My one moment that I
Speaker 2: don't love and I might be in the minority, is
Speaker 2: when posts Malone sing You're my renaissance.
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't do that. Don't do that here. If
Speaker 3: Beyonce is okay with it, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, But I'm just like, you don't get to
Speaker 2: reference her. Let her reference her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But he's on the song. He's invited.
Speaker 3: Someone said, someone said, so kind of Tailor and Beyonce
Speaker 3: to share custody of post Malone this City.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3: Post is an amazing singer. He is an amazing singer. And
Speaker 3: it took me a while with post Malone, as it
Speaker 3: takes me a while with most men. In pop music. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was like, I don't know, But then
Speaker 3: I when I've really listened to him, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: this guy is talented artists and I just love the
Speaker 3: vibe of this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hot as shit.
Speaker 3: Congratulations to Levi's on your dominance now in Denim, Denimon, Denim,
Speaker 3: I mean I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Post is speaking of if everyone's if. The
Speaker 2: vision for us is that everyone vibes. Post alone is
Speaker 2: a huge part of that. We need Post to spread
Speaker 2: the gospel of vibes to the world. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 2: ambassador truly. I mean, together they are unstoppable. This song
Speaker 2: is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I love it, and especially coming out of two Most Wanted,
Speaker 3: like the waterfall that will happen from two Most Wanted
Speaker 3: as that song becomes what it's going destined to become into.
Speaker 3: Levi Jeans. Levi Jeans is another I think she's got.
Speaker 3: I think she could have three number one hits off
Speaker 3: this album, at least. I think Old Him already is.
Speaker 3: I think too almost Wanted that's its destiny. And I
Speaker 3: think that Levi Jeans is this is that is a
Speaker 3: fucking hit. That is a radio smash.
Speaker 2: Right there across genres. I mean I can hear it
Speaker 2: everywhere everywhere, Flamenco. I think kind of is a nice
Speaker 2: little doll up on top of this act of Smoke
Speaker 2: Hour two because I think Linda Martel's show into the
Speaker 2: rest of the album is a fucking moment. Correct. My
Speaker 2: first listen through, I was like, I did get fatigued
Speaker 2: by the end. I was like a little checked out,
Speaker 2: But then I really something drew me back to this
Speaker 2: section where this run is fucking crazy. It's nuts Linda
Speaker 2: Martel show into Amen. I'm like, this can be its
Speaker 2: own album. When the vinyl comes, I know people are
Speaker 2: really mad that Yaya is not on the current pressings.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah Yaya and spaghetti too and spaghetti,
Speaker 2: spaghetti too, spaghetti just because these subiliyes are throwing me off. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: like this whatever this disc is SI side A, side
Speaker 2: B on this is fucking wild.
Speaker 3: Well if this is like the finale of the concert,
Speaker 3: because I could see her doing a thing and she
Speaker 3: won't because I thought the same thing about Renaissance, like
Speaker 3: is she going to do it? Like chronologically she mostly
Speaker 3: did sort of, I mean she didn't really but like,
Speaker 3: I think with this she also could because this is
Speaker 3: so executed in terms of the acts.
Speaker 2: Wait, you're gas lighting she basically did with Renaissance. She
Speaker 2: took out a them some things, and then she did
Speaker 2: like the wedding interlude in the middle where the theme
Speaker 2: was wedding, I should say, where it was like love
Speaker 2: on top, and like.
Speaker 3: She largely did that, but it wasn't totally chronological. And
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm saying is like this probably won't
Speaker 3: be but could be in a complimentary way.
Speaker 2: I got it, got it. Yeah, this this album is
Speaker 2: a little bit more I don't know, flexible. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Renaissance is meant to be like a DJ set and
Speaker 2: this is meant to just be like a radio sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, even just Linda being like that's what makes
Speaker 3: it an enjoyable listening listening experience.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's like and then when yah Yah
Speaker 2: starts this is I was thinking of you. I always
Speaker 2: think of you when Yah Yeah plays because it is
Speaker 2: Beyonce at her most Ladies, it is Beyonce giving us
Speaker 2: yet another song in the ladies canon. Ladies, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Yep, These petty ones can fuck with
Speaker 2: me why I'm a girl. We snapped him. Ah, I said,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be.
Speaker 3: So crazy, This is gonna go so off, this is
Speaker 3: gonna go crazy live.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is a moment and a half. Yeah, yeah is
Speaker 3: And it's so many things. It's like Linda was right
Speaker 3: when she said that the exploration of so many different genres,
Speaker 3: like the boots are made for walking sample. I just
Speaker 3: like we were everywhere.
Speaker 2: On this into like the big band until like it's
Speaker 2: all but it's so seamless, like I don't realize moment
Speaker 2: to moment like where I'm at, and like I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm kind of lost in it in a beautiful way.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care what the genre is. I
Speaker 2: really don't know, nor should anyone. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: it's a blast. It is a fucking blast. It's just good.
Speaker 2: And I also just love saying yeah yah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we are all babies.
Speaker 3: And babies famously say yeah yeah. Well my little cousin Liam,
Speaker 3: when he was a baby, the first song he ever
Speaker 3: made up went like this yeah yea yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, And I was just like,
Speaker 3: what is that. I don't know where he heard how
Speaker 3: he created it, but yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. He just wouldn't stop. He wrote Heated,
Speaker 2: He wrote Heated by Beyonce. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go
Speaker 2: Off Williams. Yeah that's heated.
Speaker 3: But I was like this, yeah, yeah, there's something about
Speaker 3: it years later Yeah yeah yah. Also makes it an
Speaker 3: enjoyable listening experience experience. It's called yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Louisiana lovely cute little thing into kind of just like
Speaker 2: a gorgeous little stample. By the way, there's something to
Speaker 2: be said about this being potentially the most expensive album.
Speaker 2: I think Pitchfork said this, this is potentially the most
Speaker 2: expensive album on a royalties level, because you're paying stuff
Speaker 2: out to Oh God, yes, Dolly, Chuck Berry, Nancy Sinatra, Beatles,
Speaker 2: Beach Boys, Patsy Klein, Oh my god, like the Beach
Speaker 2: Boys thing. I was like, Brian Wilson better be getting
Speaker 2: a fucking check, even though he is in a conservatorship.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately now because he's not, he's struggled for a while.
Speaker 2: But I was very happy that Good Vibrations off of
Speaker 2: the non existent Beach Boys album Smile, the follow up
Speaker 2: two pet Sounds, that Good Vibrations was pay tribute by Beyonce,
Speaker 2: yes Patsy Clein as well. But I mean just on
Speaker 2: a royalties level, that is, that's a lot of cash
Speaker 2: for some iconic songs. Yeah, this is not an album
Speaker 2: you can just no no and god blast like it
Speaker 2: is a beautiful tapestry of music. Okay, So we are
Speaker 2: going into Desert Eagle, which also great, into here we
Speaker 2: go River Dance. This is one of my favorites. This
Speaker 2: is in my top three. Yeah, talk about it.
Speaker 3: What I love about it is well everything, but I
Speaker 3: guess like it's just it lifts like it's just a
Speaker 3: hphoric feeling, and the lyrics are so like beautifully dense
Speaker 3: and poetic, and like the way she sings. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love this core progression. I just
Speaker 3: love I love the sounds that she shows for it.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh man again, the harmonies, the vocal sacking,
Speaker 3: Like I just I'm so impressed with the vocal production
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 2: She's just and I love the way she says dance
Speaker 2: like just a little like a little growl on it,
Speaker 2: like yep or on the balance. Obviously there's a girl
Speaker 2: on that like bounce on the.
Speaker 3: Chip, bounce on that. No hands say less to be quiet,
Speaker 3: less like to be honest. And also, I don't know,
Speaker 3: have you noticed this? This is a fuck album.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 3: This is I think, a full on fuck album, maybe
Speaker 3: even more than Renaissance Renaissance to dance album. This is
Speaker 3: a little bit of a fuck album because this is
Speaker 3: the moment where you've hit your second blunt and now
Speaker 3: you're going to hornytown and I see myself taking it
Speaker 3: doggy style to river dam wow, I do, I see
Speaker 3: my wow. If I'm lucky, if you're lucky, I wish
Speaker 3: that for everyone. The transition into two Hands to Heaven
Speaker 3: is wild best transition on the album. I say, godly
Speaker 3: and two Hands to Heaven. I mean there is something
Speaker 3: on that out of it being a fuck album, which
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not totally sure I agree.
Speaker 2: With it's okay. Two Minds Too Hearts, two opinions, two opinions,
Speaker 2: a culture number eighty. Two Minds Too, Hearts, two opinions,
Speaker 2: Two Hands to Heaven, I mean there is something and
Speaker 2: it does demand that, like there is an emotional connection
Speaker 2: in sex, which doesn't always happen. But I think at
Speaker 2: the end of Two Hands to Heaven, of like I've
Speaker 2: been weighing you like that is horny, even though it's
Speaker 2: a little too intimate and affectionate, and sometimes you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily want that when you're having sex intimacy not always.
Speaker 2: I don't like, let's let's not totally tie sex with intimacy,
Speaker 2: because they're not they're not off of the same.
Speaker 3: First of all, I completely agree, And I just recently
Speaker 3: got dragged for I was on nick Leeman. Oh I yes, yes,
Speaker 3: And by the way, I completely understand what you mean.
Speaker 3: By the way, yeah, people were like upset with me
Speaker 3: for saying like I have, so, I said on Nick
Speaker 3: Leman and Julian Brazinski's lovely podcast Breathe Feel Agree new podcast.
Speaker 3: They've got Dylan Molvaney on this week. It's gonna be great, slagh.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about sex. You said you're king, and
Speaker 2: I said my kink.
Speaker 3: I have an intimacy kink, Like I said that sometimes
Speaker 3: I can get off on like I love you play
Speaker 3: and like even if you're just having a one night
Speaker 3: stand with someone, like sometimes like it can be fun
Speaker 3: to pretend sexually as a thing that you're more in
Speaker 3: more of a relationship committed than you are, and then
Speaker 3: at the end it's like whatever, you pack.
Speaker 2: It up and go home. It is a boundary thing,
Speaker 2: like within the context of sex, like, correct, you are
Speaker 2: aroused by that. I totally relate mother, And people were like.
Speaker 3: Uh, doesn't he know that's just intimacy, Like it's it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what sex is. It's caring about someone. I'm like, see,
Speaker 3: now we're getting Now we're getting you. Are you explaining
Speaker 3: to me what intimacy is? I promise you.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I was explaining that I have an intimate like it
Speaker 3: was just crazy. And then I think it was like
Speaker 3: a queer magazine that like quoted me as saying it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, you queer people are like what
Speaker 3: telling me? What are you trying to do?
Speaker 2: Shame me? But that was wild. I thought, like I
Speaker 2: thought gay guys did sex without intimacy better than anybody.
Speaker 3: First of all, I didn't even know it was a
Speaker 3: thing until someone brought out to me. They were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that you got dragged for this, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: first of all, I guess I'm happy that. Like in
Speaker 3: the beginning of their podcast, like they get that that
Speaker 3: some people like, you know, I got picked up and
Speaker 3: it's good for them, I guess. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with sex. I have a very good
Speaker 3: relationship with it. And when I'm in an intimate relationship,
Speaker 3: I know what that means, and I know what it
Speaker 3: means to express a kink, and I know what it
Speaker 3: means to communicate, and I know what boundaries are.
Speaker 2: And thank you very much. Yeah, we're still doing that.
Speaker 2: We're still like chastising each other for things that people
Speaker 2: like sexually, if it's not hurting, if it's like fully
Speaker 2: within the bounds of consent.
Speaker 3: First of all, the reason I even have experimented with
Speaker 3: that is because my straight female friends said that she
Speaker 3: does it and she has sex with men, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I might try that.
Speaker 3: And I tried it and it was fun, Like it
Speaker 3: was fun to have a boyfriend for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: You're talking about your sexual preferences on a podcast that
Speaker 2: like prompted that, And for anyone to try to poke
Speaker 2: holes in that is so fucking not of this time
Speaker 2: we're past. I also don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was disappointing because it was like willful ignorance
Speaker 3: about what I was saying, Like they were trying to
Speaker 3: make it seem like I'm miss like whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Honestly, after I watched Perfect Blue, like you said, I'm
Speaker 3: in a whole new place where.
Speaker 2: I'm just like you're the real thing, as she says
Speaker 2: in the end, right, yeah, I know who I am.
Speaker 2: I know that I'm a real person and you know that,
Speaker 2: and like who you are, and like I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: let like whatever people weighing in them whatever it is.
Speaker 2: If either of us fucking care what anyone thought, we
Speaker 2: wouldn't share our opinions and thoughts on a podcast. We
Speaker 2: just would not, so whatever. But there does come a
Speaker 2: time when and I'm really happy that you suggested that
Speaker 2: movie to me, because you can drive yourself fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Care and what people think it can kill you, It
Speaker 2: can really can. It can kill you.
Speaker 3: And then even to see Beyonce and I said this
Speaker 3: with Madonna a few weeks ago, where she was like
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, Well sometimes I still give
Speaker 3: one and a half fuck. Yeah, And then even Beyonce
Speaker 3: saying the other night, like you know, criticism can really
Speaker 3: take a toll on your mental health. It can be
Speaker 3: a challenge. It is a challenge but ultimately, you know yourself,
Speaker 3: and this doesn't even have to pertain to anyone that's
Speaker 3: in the whatever quote unquote public eye. It can be
Speaker 3: if you lived your life and people have opinions on it,
Speaker 3: it doesn't fucking matter. No, you think Beyonce like would
Speaker 3: stop doing anything that she was ever doing because of
Speaker 3: what people said. She would have been in a at
Speaker 3: age nineteen, and that would have been a loss for
Speaker 3: the world. Exactly, Okay, Tyrant Tyrant. I love that Dolly
Speaker 3: is featured on Tyrant, even though she just kind of
Speaker 3: does the cowboy carter, you know, like you know whatever,
Speaker 3: she just has that little thing up top. But then,
Speaker 3: I mean, Tyrant, is is that a harmonica? I hear
Speaker 3: mm hmmm, uh huh. And you know Stevie Wonder plays
Speaker 3: the harmonica on Joline on Jolene.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wonder who was harmonica on Tyrant? But so
Speaker 2: so good? I mean, this is this This is a
Speaker 2: fucking like dirty and by dirty I mean like down
Speaker 2: home dirty song, but like with like that bass, with
Speaker 2: like pretty contemporary instrumentation, but without it sounding like a content.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is weirdly Tyrant is weirdly.
Speaker 2: The more on the more contemporary side of country on
Speaker 2: this album. Yeah, like this you could like imagine someone
Speaker 2: fucking putting out you know.
Speaker 4: Like maybe, I mean this is the thing too, is
Speaker 4: It's like I think that what should happen now is
Speaker 4: it should inspire country music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it should expand it if if I'm someone in
Speaker 4: Nashville country right now, I'm inspired.
Speaker 3: I'm not threatened, No, but I think that it's the
Speaker 3: conservative is it modus operandi to just be like threatened?
Speaker 3: To just be like how dare you?
Speaker 2: Like? This isn't the way things are?
Speaker 3: Like, It's just like that's I guess what is that
Speaker 3: At the root of the word conservative is to conserve,
Speaker 3: It is to remain. It is to you know, protect
Speaker 3: in a way, it's like what are you what are
Speaker 3: you protecting?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Like what what are we still obsessed with? What do
Speaker 3: we need from the past that we can't move forward?
Speaker 3: Like I just think, you know, I recently went on
Speaker 3: the podcast Orange Country, which is hosted by Shane mcinally
Speaker 3: and Gina Kirschenheider and Shane mcinally is a gay country
Speaker 3: songwriter and he is was nominated for the Grammy for
Speaker 3: Songwriter of the Year last year, and he's like Casey's
Speaker 3: or Marin, He's worth like all the girls all like
Speaker 3: the cool country girls and honestly some of like, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, like the whack country guys. Like he's seeing
Speaker 3: it all in Nashville country.
Speaker 2: And I asked him. I was like, what do you.
Speaker 3: Think about Beyonce coming in to country? What do you
Speaker 3: think about it? And he was like, I fucking love Beyonce.
Speaker 3: I'm her biggest fan. I'm obsessed with her. I would
Speaker 3: I would, I worship her. The thing about her coming
Speaker 3: into country music is I looked at people she was
Speaker 3: working with and there were no Nashville country musicians, and
Speaker 3: I wish that there were some, just because you know,
Speaker 3: Nashville is a community that's very tight, and I feel like,
Speaker 3: especially with women in country music, it's very hard so
Speaker 3: for someone to come in from quote unquote the outside
Speaker 3: another genre, like, it's just it is a thing, okay,
Speaker 3: And I understand that. I don't know if that I
Speaker 3: totally agree. I don't agree, but I understand. I understand
Speaker 3: where he's coming for you. He asked me to me too,
Speaker 3: But I do not agree because again, it ascribes ownership
Speaker 3: of country music to Nashville, and that is.
Speaker 2: Or shouldn't be, that's not real. I feel like country
Speaker 2: should be decentralized exactly exactly, like of all genres, that is,
Speaker 2: like the way that hip hop is decentralized only benefits
Speaker 2: the genre as a whole. And then beca producer. Becka
Speaker 2: says also her having to make amends with the community
Speaker 2: of folks who rejected her so heavily totally, Why would she, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: why would she bring in someone from the Nashville fold. Well,
Speaker 2: she doesn't work with them, he doesn't need that. And
Speaker 2: also maybe maybe that question in and of itself is
Speaker 2: answered by the Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson of it all.
Speaker 2: It's like, again like if you're someone in country music
Speaker 2: who knows better than those two, my stetson is off
Speaker 2: to you, darling.
Speaker 3: But it was interesting to hear his perspective because someone
Speaker 3: who's a huge fucking fan. But I think that again,
Speaker 3: there was still that confusion about what exactly this album
Speaker 3: was gonna be.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and he said that before the album came
Speaker 2: out right.
Speaker 3: Correct correct, And I adore him and he's so talented.
Speaker 3: It was just I had to ask that question. As
Speaker 3: someone who's so firmly entrenched in country music, And this
Speaker 3: was right after Texas Hold Him came out, where maybe
Speaker 3: it seemed like because of that song, it was going
Speaker 3: to be more like pop country, like in the in
Speaker 3: the style of what they still do nowadays in country music.
Speaker 3: But maybe the actual product that was released, the actual
Speaker 3: art that was released, is an answer to that question
Speaker 3: about why maybe there's not the same old folks that
Speaker 3: you might see on anyone's album. Like, I'm really interested
Speaker 3: to hear like what Casey thinks of this, what Maren
Speaker 3: thinks of this, Like what the progressive cool country girls now,
Speaker 3: who honestly have had to wrestle with the genre because
Speaker 3: it doesn't align with their beliefs. The ideology is completely fucked.
Speaker 3: A lot of the times terms.
Speaker 2: Ordres that it's just confining, like the way the way
Speaker 2: that Linda says that it's confining. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear their opinion too. I bet Taylor loves this. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Speaking of genre innovation, I think Sweet Honey Bucking is
Speaker 2: ketamine country. Elaborate on that one. If you listen to
Speaker 2: this song country with a K, it is it is
Speaker 2: like beautiful K whole vibes like damn fucking fucking like
Speaker 2: a mechanical bull, and then like the look at that horse,
Speaker 2: look at that horse.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like what is she doing? Look at
Speaker 3: that horse? Look at look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I think this whole this whole song is
Speaker 2: so fucking cool, weird country by like a thin, gorgeous
Speaker 2: aesthetic layer alone and everything else about it just of
Speaker 2: like let's throw in everything. This is kind of like
Speaker 2: a eye out of Me where it's like I don't
Speaker 2: know what this is, but I love it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, this is a highlight for me too.
Speaker 3: This is in my top five as well. Do you
Speaker 3: think it's an answer to pure Honey? Do you think
Speaker 3: it's like a Absolutely? Absolutely? I was thinking if your honey,
Speaker 3: Like the first time I heard her was like, oh,
Speaker 3: like even like in terms of like the placement, like
Speaker 3: the tent poles of Renaissance are sort of like there
Speaker 3: is an analog and Cowboy Carter the Act three, the
Speaker 3: three act. Things she's doing on that right now is
Speaker 3: she's satisfying for OCD people Like, Yeah, I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's an all snap into place like this,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come actually like I love that someone has
Speaker 3: detail oriented and passionate and hard working as her is
Speaker 3: also having as much fun as she's having and making
Speaker 3: it all make sense in this way.
Speaker 2: God damn it. I mean, this is absolutely the pure
Speaker 2: honey that brings us into Like this isn't in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways the last track before the actual last track.
Speaker 2: And for this to be like the spiritual informal closer
Speaker 2: is so cool to me, so fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then it launches into Amen, which is like
Speaker 3: when you realize the album was a prayer.
Speaker 2: The album was a prayer. It was a prayer. I
Speaker 2: requiem even.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of my favorite things that's ever happened
Speaker 3: in culture was when Oprah Winfrey had Steven Spielberg on
Speaker 3: her show for Lincoln and he sits down and she goes,
Speaker 3: thank you for this film.
Speaker 2: It's a prayer. It's a prayer. Prayer is back. Romy
Speaker 2: Yustiff brought prayer back to SNL. Beyonce's bringing prayer back
Speaker 2: to music, like Prayer is back. I'm praying. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: proynounce I don't know who, but I'm praying. How are
Speaker 2: you pronouncing it? Prayer?
Speaker 3: Prayer, I'm country, You're a country girl prior prior. Let
Speaker 3: me go on, let's say it prior and that Rommi
Speaker 3: used this brought back prior.
Speaker 2: You know, I had to do it.
Speaker 3: I had to do a Southern accent for an audition
Speaker 3: last week and you have a good one.
Speaker 2: Did not book. I actually can certainly try. I actually can. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, you never know when it's going sketch.
Speaker 3: It could go sketch comedy real easy.
Speaker 2: Well, that accent is sketch comedy.
Speaker 3: And the thing is they said in the in the
Speaker 3: dialogue it said literally they spilled thang th h A
Speaker 3: n G. And I was like, so, I said to
Speaker 3: my agent. I was like, I'm sorry, but am I
Speaker 3: given sang? Because they said in the dialogue they said thang?
Speaker 3: And I was just like, is this goofy town or
Speaker 3: is this like subtle Southern? And I just did Matt Rogers,
Speaker 3: you know, clown behavior, honey. People want that?
Speaker 2: Well they didn't. Oh, well someone else will.
Speaker 3: Congrats to the other actor that they're pursuing. We did
Speaker 3: receive good feedback though, I'm good.
Speaker 2: That's what that. You don't always get that with an audition.
Speaker 3: My last three auditions, it has been we received really
Speaker 3: good feedback, but they're pursuing another actor.
Speaker 2: That's the babe. I said, thanks. Thanks. Now, I'm so
Speaker 2: glad we talked about this album. I don't think we
Speaker 2: can get to twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Sadly no, I think if that would push it to
Speaker 3: over two hours, and I don't think that that's our
Speaker 3: journey today.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone wants that.
Speaker 3: The last thing I'll say is, have you listened to
Speaker 3: the end of Amen into I'm that girl?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Because it fucking the way it.
Speaker 3: Like like, it goes it very cleanly.
Speaker 2: I love I love the way Amen is. It throws
Speaker 2: you through a loop, says producer Rebecca.
Speaker 3: It literally does, and it's like you get that maybe
Speaker 3: this was Act one and that Renaissance was act.
Speaker 2: Too, because it seamlessly pops into it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's almost like, all right, we prayed, now,
Speaker 3: get up off the knees, get up off the pews.
Speaker 2: And we're dancing.
Speaker 3: Turn the lights down low, let's pop pussy, push the
Speaker 3: pews to the walls, clear in space. Yeah, fold up
Speaker 3: the chairs in the hall.
Speaker 2: This is what I was gonna get at earlier when
Speaker 2: I was like talking about how this was meant to
Speaker 2: be the first release and then Renaissance and about how
Speaker 2: she's this utopian artist. I mean it is like a
Speaker 2: pure act of altruism to me, like for Beyonce to
Speaker 2: be like to know what the world needs now is
Speaker 2: a dance album because of COVID, Like, think about it,
Speaker 2: like if she were to release Cowboy Carter in you know,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, like it would have been a little
Speaker 2: like wait, wait what like h it would have been
Speaker 2: a bit question mark. I think for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: no one would have been like, this is bad, but
Speaker 2: it would have been like like, I do think she
Speaker 2: she did it completely right. She was completely correct.
Speaker 3: I would agree. I also think it almost hits harder
Speaker 3: further away from that experience she had at the CMAS,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's like, yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: like it works better like this.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, she's quoted as saying that she.
Speaker 3: Had it ready to go or whatever, and then she
Speaker 3: decided to put out Renaissance because she realized the world
Speaker 3: needed to dance, like that's just what was moving her.
Speaker 2: And I do think everything worked out the way that
Speaker 2: it should.
Speaker 3: The one question, I think that a lot of fans
Speaker 3: do have is this thing of the CD having come
Speaker 3: out and there are the old packaging with that title
Speaker 3: act to be in say, and the missing songs, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And I guess my thing.
Speaker 3: With that is it should be either left gloriously unclear
Speaker 3: or it will become clear. It's the same thing with
Speaker 3: the Renaissance visuals, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, uhuh huh? What do you think is unclear about
Speaker 2: the b Ince because I think she's talked about that,
Speaker 2: has she? Yeah, uh huh that Beyonce was either Tina's
Speaker 2: mothers or Tina's maiden name. Oh no, I know that,
Speaker 2: I know what Bince is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying, like the album that exists in
Speaker 3: what people are ordering right now and receiving in terms
Speaker 3: of the vinyl and the CDs, Like it's called Bince,
Speaker 3: that's the cover. It's a different album cover, it's a
Speaker 3: different title, and it's missing songs. So it's almost like,
Speaker 3: I think what happened was there was a literal realized
Speaker 3: album called Bince, and because she held it back and
Speaker 3: did Renaissance first, that it was packaged and ready to go,
Speaker 3: and you can't just lose that product.
Speaker 2: But it's Beyonce. She can do what she can, release
Speaker 2: her music however she wants.
Speaker 3: Right, but why would she allow vinyls missing songs from
Speaker 3: her album?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That I don't know. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: But the cover is like that presentation, the first thing
Speaker 2: people see on the vinyl cover. That is not a mistake.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think anything is a mistake. What
Speaker 3: I'm saying is that I think there was a completed,
Speaker 3: realized album ready to be rolled out.
Speaker 2: This shit may have even been printed. It clearly was
Speaker 2: already printed, right am I not understanding you? I just
Speaker 2: think like she has she has a sash that says
Speaker 2: actually Cowboy Carter on like the traditional cover mm hmm,
Speaker 2: and then she just has another version of that that
Speaker 2: doesn't say Cowboy Carter on it.
Speaker 3: It just says Bince, right, because I think there was
Speaker 3: that the first version of Cowboy Carter was called Bince
Speaker 3: Oh interesting and had less songs.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's what I'm saying. I see, I see totally, totally, totally, And.
Speaker 3: Because whatever like peak behind the curtain, that shit has
Speaker 3: to be printed way in advance and is expensive like
Speaker 3: the materials. So I think it's a thing of like
Speaker 3: there may be another release of vinyl which is Cowboy
Speaker 3: Carter and has this cover and has a vinyl n
Speaker 3: a CD with all of the songs on it, but
Speaker 3: they had to move that product.
Speaker 2: I m m hmm. Interesting, you know more about this business.
Speaker 2: I don't know about how the vinyls get pressed. You
Speaker 2: are the business guy.
Speaker 3: It's like so far in advance, and to me, it's
Speaker 3: like if she were to sit on this for a
Speaker 3: long time, it feels totally in line with who Beyonce
Speaker 3: is to be, like, No, we're gonna add songs, We're
Speaker 3: gonna I'm not done with It's gonna continue to evolve.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm. Well I can't wait for the next evolution.
Speaker 2: Me neither. I can't wait for the next evolution of everything,
Speaker 2: of everything. Oh God, I don't know about everything? No, no,
Speaker 2: all right, Well is it time for I don't think Zhani,
Speaker 2: it's time for anythink anything else in the culture you
Speaker 2: want to talk about. It's basically been that.
Speaker 3: I'll briefly say, well, I guess my I don't think
Speaker 3: so Honey is gonna be God. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be dark and I don't think so Honey.
Speaker 2: So honey, it's all dad, you know what I can
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey on this other thing. But
Speaker 3: I do want to say I finished mister and missus Smith.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: What a delight, What a delight. I love a case
Speaker 3: of the Week. I loved it, loved it. They fucking
Speaker 3: crushed it, and I was again. I was skeptical in
Speaker 3: the beginning, and then it won me over. I was
Speaker 3: laughing and smiling at the TV. I was watching it
Speaker 3: with Greta. We were having the best time. There's a scene,
Speaker 3: by the way, the guest stars are unreal. Every episode
Speaker 3: is giving a guest star of the millennium. Like Sarah
Speaker 3: Paulison plays a therapist. She's fucking great. MICHAELA. Cole is
Speaker 3: in it, she's amazing in it. Parker Posey comes in
Speaker 3: and eats like just it's like so good. And there's
Speaker 3: a scene at the end of the Parker Posy episode
Speaker 3: where Donald and Maya are in bed together like laughing,
Speaker 3: recounting what happened. And I was like, this is chemistry
Speaker 3: right here. I am watching great TV chemistry.
Speaker 2: I love I love chemistry me too. Oh when it's good,
Speaker 2: it's good. Kelly Clarkson. I love that album. I want
Speaker 2: to say, the only TV media I've consumed outside of
Speaker 2: still playing Final Fantasy seven Rebirth, I'm sorry, I'm slow.
Speaker 2: Is it Cake? Season three is out. Mikey Day is
Speaker 2: one of the best, one of the best to ever
Speaker 2: do it. I would love to meet him. He is
Speaker 2: one of our great Americans. In the words of Tina Fey,
Speaker 2: Mikey Day, you are a king. He is the homecoming
Speaker 2: king of SNL. As far as I'm concerned, I love
Speaker 2: that Keenan is the star student, maybe even the principal.
Speaker 2: He's team captain, He's team captain. Mikey is like star quarterback.
Speaker 2: Sometimes those are two different people. Team captain quarterback.
Speaker 3: Often often you can't you can't assume the quarterback is
Speaker 3: going to be able to necessarily, yeah, be the cap.
Speaker 2: It's so much on his plate. And and that's that's
Speaker 2: as far as I'll take that football team analogy. But
Speaker 2: Mikey Day, he's so good at hosting a show about
Speaker 2: hyperrealistic cakes. And these people, these bakers are so lovely
Speaker 2: and they were from all walks of life, all across
Speaker 2: the country. Shout out to Jajar, who is amazing. He
Speaker 2: this Jajar is an example of someone who grows up
Speaker 2: in a family where people support your dreams, and he goes,
Speaker 2: you should always do what your heart desires. And he's
Speaker 2: so sweet and he makes these amazing cakes. He made
Speaker 2: a sack of flower that looked like a sack of flower.
Speaker 2: But guess what cake?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Cake? Season three is out now on Netflix. I might
Speaker 2: have to have smoke hour and really get into Okay,
Speaker 2: remember when the season one came out, we watched it
Speaker 2: at your apartment and we were having a ball. We
Speaker 2: watched it here, We watched it and we watched it
Speaker 2: in La one season it was the smoke hour, but
Speaker 2: we were we were loving it. We were like, Mikey,
Speaker 2: is that when you came to my age? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: love you, sister. I love you, sister.
Speaker 3: Bone really got on a plane to help you on
Speaker 3: my heart. You really did that and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: Shot good Rada.
Speaker 3: Anyways, I feel as though it's now time, speaking of
Speaker 3: TV that's been shaking the culture.
Speaker 2: I can do my I don't think so, honey, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is I don't think Zaney. This is where we
Speaker 2: take one minute to go against, to rail against something
Speaker 2: and culture, I should say this is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 2: don't think so many as time starts now, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so, honey. All that is ruined. The Amana
Speaker 3: show is ruined. Like it's all just if you can
Speaker 3: still watch that, my hat is off unfortunately, Like.
Speaker 2: I think you sort of can, like maybe on Amazon
Speaker 2: or something, but.
Speaker 3: Like, wow, was I completely like I had heard things,
Speaker 3: but fuck, these people are disgusting inside it out?
Speaker 2: And can I also say I don't think so honey.
Speaker 3: If you were an actor that was one of the
Speaker 3: people that sent in a letter of character for that guy,
Speaker 3: Brian Peck, and you have not made a statement denouncing that,
Speaker 3: or you have not apologized, or you have not reached out.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What are you waiting for?
Speaker 3: Why are you I don't think so many character letters
Speaker 3: in general, just fucking stay out of it.
Speaker 2: Boo shut up.
Speaker 3: That was crazy And I hate feeling this way about
Speaker 3: James Morrison five seconds, who I love, But fuck, I
Speaker 3: don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. One of the actors, like in
Speaker 2: the documentary in Quiet on Stet was like retracted and
Speaker 2: it was like I was not told the right set
Speaker 2: of facts, Like it's as easy as that. It's as
Speaker 2: simple as saying that that like you were mislad that
Speaker 2: you were the situation was misrepresented to you.
Speaker 3: I mean, the two guys from Boy Meets World that
Speaker 3: had written I Guess It's right or Strong and Will Friddell,
Speaker 3: they were twenty seven and twenty four when they wrote
Speaker 3: these these character letters, and they're saying like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a set of facts was presented to me.
Speaker 3: He told me he was guilty, but you know it
Speaker 3: was about really the treatment and what he had been
Speaker 3: going through.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, there's no excuse, there's no excuse.
Speaker 3: We should probably stop at pedophile, right, and these things
Speaker 3: that are.
Speaker 2: Like he was tempted. There was temptation I felt for
Speaker 2: jailbait guys. When you're fifteen years old, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: And I understand discourse about like this type of thing
Speaker 2: has you know, become, has developed over time and we
Speaker 2: now have tools to talk about it now that maybe
Speaker 2: we didn't then. But like Jesus Christ, I know, it's
Speaker 2: pretty bad. It's pretty bad. I mean, I still think
Speaker 2: it's as easy personally, having not been in this situation,
Speaker 2: I can't totally speak on this fully, but like I
Speaker 2: think you can just be like, hey, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was talking about. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize the extent of this, Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine like letting that just hang out there
Speaker 3: and being okay with that, Like if they're being advised
Speaker 3: to not say anything that is not correct advisement. If
Speaker 3: I ever thought that, like something a popular idea about
Speaker 3: me out there was that, I was just like that
Speaker 3: the last word on all this is yeah, I wrote
Speaker 3: a character letter for this person. I would be screaming
Speaker 3: from the from the rooftops like no, no, no, denounced, denounced, announce,
Speaker 3: like this is what happened. I apologize, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 3: Like it's just so disgusting to me. Yeah, in the
Speaker 3: words of someone depicted in the documentary, I would say
Speaker 3: it with my chest.
Speaker 2: For me, the most heartbreaking thing was Brian Hearn and
Speaker 2: his mother. Brian's mother was one of the only parents
Speaker 2: who like spoke up right the producers after, like it
Speaker 2: wasn't a double their episode, but it was an episode
Speaker 2: where Brian was like covered in peanut butter and getting
Speaker 2: licked by dog and licked by dogs and it's it's
Speaker 2: just so disgusting to watch, and like he is literally
Speaker 2: saying in this clip like I don't like this. I
Speaker 2: don't like this, and so of course his mother is
Speaker 2: like this is not acceptable, like please, can we not
Speaker 2: do this to the kids, And then she describes like
Speaker 2: the meaning where they let him go. It's so emotional
Speaker 2: because she's like she starts getting teary and she goes
Speaker 2: I saw him become a man. I saw like his
Speaker 2: posture change.
Speaker 3: Like you can't, like as a parent watching seeing that
Speaker 3: moment in front of you, Like you can't go back
Speaker 3: from that heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: It's so devastating to watch. And like word on the
Speaker 2: Street is like some of these actors signed NDA's on
Speaker 2: the sets in production saying that they could never talk
Speaker 2: about these things and that is so.
Speaker 3: NDA culture has to end, like the Yonce fucked but
Speaker 3: that isn't even even that is just like it's like
Speaker 3: you know what you're doing when you when you first
Speaker 3: of all, this set was like crawling with pedophiles more
Speaker 3: than one at once, Like no more massages on sets.
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are, how you are, how
Speaker 3: old people are around you. Anytime someone's like give me
Speaker 3: a massage.
Speaker 2: It is not appropriate. Twice I'm like, it's never appropriate.
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't ever, don't. I don't want a massage.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to watch someone being given
Speaker 2: a massage on set. No, this a.
Speaker 3: Professional atmosphere unless it's actually for bodily relief. Should not
Speaker 3: be a place where like someone is touching someone else's
Speaker 3: body for like pleasure or relief.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're hiring, like if you're hiring some therapist
Speaker 2: to like be with you there because you have like
Speaker 2: a bad rotator cuff. Sure, otherwise get off the set.
Speaker 3: Also, it's so disgusting how long he stayed there, like
Speaker 3: that that was the culture and that they know about
Speaker 3: it and that they kept the man in charge of
Speaker 3: it for so long just goes to show how much
Speaker 3: money fucking talks. And it is so frustrating. It is
Speaker 3: such a dark reality of the entertainment industry and of
Speaker 3: every industry. But wow, like we really will do this
Speaker 3: drag of pretending that it's getting better, et cetera. It's
Speaker 3: like there's still so many fucking like disgusting abusers in
Speaker 3: place because they make people money, and this is yet
Speaker 3: another thing. It's just yet another thing that just goes
Speaker 3: to show it is all about the bottom fucking line,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of harmful, fucking people out there.
Speaker 3: And I commend everyone that's out there saying their stories,
Speaker 3: and I feel so heartbroken and sad for everyone whose
Speaker 3: dreams were shattered, who were talented young people. And obviously
Speaker 3: the number one casualty of all this is obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, Drake Bell, but also whatever really went down
Speaker 3: with Amanda Bynes, that is a fucking tragedy because she
Speaker 3: was a fucking superstar and she could have had the
Speaker 3: entire world if only she were in a safe environment
Speaker 3: that respected her and respected her talent and allowed her
Speaker 3: to grow in a real way, both as a human
Speaker 3: being and as a talent, Like we could really be
Speaker 3: enjoying her gifts right now, and she would, she would,
Speaker 3: you know, probably not have had to go through what
Speaker 3: she went through. It rereaked of Britney spears to me too,
Speaker 3: just like nasty, nasty, dark stuff. And obviously it's a
Speaker 3: tough sit and there's actually going to be a fifth
Speaker 3: episode that they put out, that's right, you know, which
Speaker 3: I have mixed feelings about, to be honest, right, I.
Speaker 2: Think it seemed to have been a fully told story.
Speaker 2: But maybe they I don't know. Whatever new thing they
Speaker 2: have will be hopefully will be interesting worthwhile, we don't know.
Speaker 3: But kids shouldn't be acting. I mean, I just don't
Speaker 3: think that kids need to be doing that. I talked
Speaker 3: actually the after I won't say who, but I came
Speaker 3: into contact with someone who was a child star who
Speaker 3: was on a Disney Channel show, and I asked her
Speaker 3: what she thought about it, and she was like, I
Speaker 3: just don't think that people that age need to be.
Speaker 2: In those environments. And she made a joke.
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm anti AI except for that, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, maybe at this or it's just like
Speaker 3: things need to change so much. It's kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, like when you have experience with something and
Speaker 3: you get years and then you can look back, Like
Speaker 3: one day I asked my dad, like.
Speaker 2: Why he never played football with me?
Speaker 3: And he was like, well, you never showed interest, and
Speaker 3: I was like, that's not true, like I showed interest
Speaker 3: in the things you showed to me. And then he
Speaker 3: revealed he was like, well, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: I really don't think kids that age should be playing football.
Speaker 3: There you go, and I was just like, there it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, like when you have seen something firsthand, you
Speaker 3: are the authority on it, and you have these people
Speaker 3: being like this is fucked up, this is dark, Like
Speaker 3: listen to them.
Speaker 2: Fucked I agree. I think like what we saw with
Speaker 2: the parents though, was that like some of them were
Speaker 2: just like my child has expressed interest, like Drake Drake
Speaker 2: Bell's dad was just like, well, Drake, Drake loved to perform,
Speaker 2: and like I wanted and like they just come out
Speaker 2: of a divorce and he was like I wanted to
Speaker 2: spend time with Drake, Like this was the Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that was That was just so hard. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean like it's not all stage parents are like evil
Speaker 2: and not all stage parents are like totally no, it's not,
Speaker 2: I know, but it's yeah, but it's like, but there
Speaker 2: is like some I don't think we've as a culture
Speaker 2: figured out like what the responsibility where it totally where
Speaker 2: it falls in that relationship or in that within the system.
Speaker 2: It is obviously a systemic thing, but like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I've I've had like interesting experiences with like parents
Speaker 2: who come through us and now with their child actors
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I don't want to know anything
Speaker 2: else about this, you know what I mean. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is yeah.
Speaker 3: I will say I also worked with kids from my
Speaker 3: special and one of the things I said even before
Speaker 3: was I was like, this needs to be I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, I I'm hesitant about working with kids.
Speaker 3: I've heard it's difficult. And then I was really interested.
Speaker 3: I was like, what are the parents.
Speaker 2: Going to be like?
Speaker 3: And they were all very lovely and present. And I've
Speaker 3: seen this done in very professional ways, and I'm proud
Speaker 3: to say that I was involved with something that was
Speaker 3: like really nice and the kids only worked for a
Speaker 3: very short amount of time, and they were very sweet kids.
Speaker 2: And they were talented, and I'm happy that they get
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 3: But it's just it's hard to not be fucking freaked
Speaker 3: out and just want to say abort mission on the
Speaker 3: whole thing when you hear about even one thing.
Speaker 2: I know, Darcy Cardon perfect example, someone who loved acting
Speaker 2: wanted to do it as a kid. Her parents were like, totally,
Speaker 2: only do it if you don't get paid. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: that is that's perteresting. That's the perfect model. You like,
Speaker 2: we don't want you as a child to get paid
Speaker 2: to do this because that's where it gets dark, is
Speaker 2: when because that's where it gets dark. Oh okay, that
Speaker 2: is really that's a yeah. Isn't that so smart? That
Speaker 2: is so smart. But Darcy's a broken person now, she's broken,
Speaker 2: she's so sick, disgusting, disgusting people.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what we're saying is that all child
Speaker 3: actors that came out of that system broken are hard
Speaker 3: to blame.
Speaker 2: All right, wait, it's now time for your I don't
Speaker 2: think so honey. Yeah, yeah, I make it a little
Speaker 2: messy with this girl. Are you showing you're absolutely sure?
Speaker 2: Do you think I should? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know what it is. I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2: This is Bowen Yang's don't think so honey. This time
Speaker 2: starts now. I don't think so honey. That fucking person
Speaker 2: on TikTok saying SNL is hot, guys, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: misquoting her, but like Jason sadeikis blah blah blah. Even
Speaker 2: Bowen Yang, don't even Bowen Yang me. Don't you ever
Speaker 2: put the word even in front of my fucking name,
Speaker 2: any of you, anyone out there, for this person to
Speaker 2: like make this crazy, make this crazy judgment and assessment
Speaker 2: on like the beauty standard on the women of SNL,
Speaker 2: which is so crazy to do. Do not lump me
Speaker 2: into Do not bring me into that conversation at all.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think of me as hot
Speaker 2: or not hot or even hot. I don't want to
Speaker 2: land anywhere on that for you, especially if you are
Speaker 2: like doing some sweet, innocent, well meaning I think bedroom
Speaker 2: TikTok about like how hot people are on this show
Speaker 2: that you have no fucking perspective on. And that's one minute.
Speaker 2: It was not well meaning. It was messy.
Speaker 3: I mean someone it wasn't someone got on TikTok and she's.
Speaker 2: Being relatively dragged for it, I think.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean like you reap what you so,
Speaker 3: in the words of Beyonce on her self titled but
Speaker 3: somebody was like yet, uh, there's been no hot women
Speaker 3: on sn now And she goes into this whole fucking
Speaker 3: thing about like literally brings up pictures of cast members
Speaker 3: and is like like this person like she plays all
Speaker 3: the hot she's not even hot like, and this person
Speaker 3: like she's not hot like, and there's no hot women.
Speaker 3: But think about the men like this is Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 3: back in the day, and then she goes, he's ugly now,
Speaker 3: but look how hot he was. I'm like, what is this?
Speaker 2: Like, it's so it's it starts us such a it
Speaker 2: gets worse and worse and worse, and it's just like
Speaker 2: so nasty and judgy and disgusting and placing it placing
Speaker 2: a value on something that's like so stupid and arbitrary,
Speaker 2: and it's just, oh, it was gross. I'm like you,
Speaker 2: I think this is just to peek into like a darkness.
Speaker 2: I think that's why people are like really responding to it,
Speaker 2: is because they're like something's off here, something's like not good,
Speaker 2: not healthy. And I don't think this is me like
Speaker 2: punching down. I think this is just like me actually
Speaker 2: responding in an emotion. I'm well, I'm just emotionally responding
Speaker 2: to Like I don't want to be fucking like put
Speaker 2: in that. I don't want to be in any kind
Speaker 2: of like aesthetic evaluation rubric at all, like even like
Speaker 2: on a gay guye level, Like I don't really it's
Speaker 2: exhausting and toxic. I'm kind of just dressing the way
Speaker 2: I want to dress. I care about how I look
Speaker 2: like for my I truly for myself. But it's like
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to think about myself in
Speaker 2: that context because I don't know I'm going through it
Speaker 2: right now where I'm just like, oh, like rejection again.
Speaker 2: But I'm like I don't want to like think about that,
Speaker 2: you know, like don't bring it into that please. We're
Speaker 2: just trying to do sketch comedy. It's not that deep.
Speaker 2: We're not like megastars. We're just lovely people who like
Speaker 2: cut our teeth in bar basements and like put on
Speaker 2: wigs and now the wigs are a bit nicer and
Speaker 2: we get makeup on on Saturdays. But we're just the
Speaker 2: same people, Like like everyone at work right now is
Speaker 2: just yeah, it's just a lovely person. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also think like the thing that, unfortunately fucking of
Speaker 3: course happens when someone is idiotic enough to start a
Speaker 3: conversation like that is then it becomes a conversation and
Speaker 3: a discourse, and it's this thing of like even like
Speaker 3: even saying something like what do you mean so and
Speaker 3: so is so hot? Like these people out puts an
Speaker 3: expectation on them. It's just like it's so useless and
Speaker 3: can only make people feel bad.
Speaker 2: Well, now my TikTok that that are like Bowyang isn't hot?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about for? I'm like, Okay, you've.
Speaker 3: Done nothing productive, you haven't helped anyone with this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: God like fucking like and this is like what we
Speaker 3: it's but it's not what we signed up for because
Speaker 3: we did not sign up for this. No, And that's
Speaker 3: like it's it's it's again. It's like it's like once
Speaker 3: you real, once you wade into the waters, Like this
Speaker 3: is why the detachment from what people are saying is
Speaker 3: so important. This is Perfect Blue because.
Speaker 2: The second I told not to watch Perfect Blue, I'm
Speaker 2: such a college freshman about it. I told not to
Speaker 2: watch Perfect Blue about you might keep going, and I did.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like the second it becomes the
Speaker 3: second it drifts away from what your purpose was, you
Speaker 3: will start to go fucking crazy. Like I have to
Speaker 3: remind myself all the time, like I'm doing this because
Speaker 3: I believe it is my purpose in life to make
Speaker 3: people feel good and feel happy and make them laugh.
Speaker 3: My purpose on this planet is to create positive bursts
Speaker 3: of energy and to leave places better then I left them.
Speaker 3: That is my purpose. The second it starts becoming about
Speaker 3: how someone looks on a red carpet or what your
Speaker 3: skin is doing, or like why I can't live without
Speaker 3: or you know, once it becomes like ugly and like.
Speaker 2: Something that's you know, too tangible, cure it is material.
Speaker 2: It is like truly material, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, of course there's playing ball.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course there's that. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like we both play ball in the industry. We both
Speaker 3: do what we need to do. Everyone does. But the
Speaker 3: fact is, like you and yourself, you have to remind yourself.
Speaker 2: Why you do it.
Speaker 3: And you do it because it brings you joy. Everyone
Speaker 3: on that show, everyone in comedy does it because they
Speaker 3: are preternaturally talented in terms of the joy and comedy
Speaker 3: that they can bring to the world. And some idiot
Speaker 3: coming on and placing what they value onto everyone else
Speaker 3: and starting this conversation is toxic and disgusting and rating.
Speaker 2: For like a completely subjective thing, which is like beauty,
Speaker 2: which is like right, aesthetics and.
Speaker 3: The conversation around aesthetics right now is so warped and
Speaker 3: so toxic as it always has been, but it just
Speaker 3: gets worse and worse and worse as we're supposed to
Speaker 3: like pretend that we can all compete with the beauty ideal,
Speaker 3: which no one can. Even if it looks like they're
Speaker 3: on top of it.
Speaker 2: They're not. They're not. They're not. It's it has not
Speaker 2: saved them. It is not like made them better people necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also, how about this as a rule of thumb,
Speaker 3: don't be a fucking asshole period period.
Speaker 2: Well, I am galvanized the site Texas. We're both ready
Speaker 2: to kind of take the day on. Huh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, an over two hour episode that did not get
Speaker 3: to the cultural excavation, despite there being a document prepared
Speaker 3: the culture.
Speaker 2: We're ready to go.
Speaker 3: Cowboy culture title twenty thirteen. Cowboy culture title that twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: It deserves its own episode in a way. Maybe it will,
Speaker 3: maybe it won't get that, but it is. It's a
Speaker 3: big year, as you all know, most of you are
Speaker 3: alive for that. We hope, no, we hope no eleven
Speaker 3: year olds are listening to this. Oh dear, if you're
Speaker 3: an eleven year old listening to this, we're younger. God
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing you, shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't want to quiet on set about
Speaker 2: you and us?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, listen, speaking of quiet on set,
Speaker 3: it's time to quiet the podcast, but not before we sing.
Speaker 2: And we end every episode with the song oh Shi.
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