1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Native Lamb Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 3: Well, welcome home everyone. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 4: This is our mini pod. Uh, this is Native lamp Pod. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 3: Of course, I'm your host, Angela Raie with hosts Tiffany 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: Cross and Andrew Gillham, and today we are thrilled to 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: have a guest who's a returning guest. Actually, the last 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 3: time we spoke with her was at the d NC 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: convention over the summer. 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 5: But you were trying to I think you're trying on lipstick. 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 5: Sound like big gretch or something like that. 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: Yep from the lit bar, shout out to Melissa Butler. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: We are we are here now to just welcome her 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: back to the show. Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who is a 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: forty night governor of Michigan, thank you so much for 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: joining us today. 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 6: Hey, it's good to be with you. 19 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: I love that boss, Lady lip color. 20 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: We love Melissa Butler, as Angela said, is a governor. 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: You've been in the news a lot this week, and 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: I want to kick us off with not necessarily the 23 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: top story, but definitely a big story. 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: If I think for a lot of our listeners. 25 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: Michigan, as you well know, has more than one point 26 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: five million black residents. That's more than Louisiana, more than 27 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: Alabama and South Carolina. Can you talk our viewers through 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: your decision in deciding to not endorse you are running me? 29 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: Garland Gilchris is the lieutenant governor and is now running 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: for governor of Michigan. 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know what, the race for governors kicked 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 6: off pretty early. I'm grateful that I have had such 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 6: a phenomenal partner in Garland. He is really a star 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 6: and a great leader and has been an amazing partner. 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 6: You know, I know enough to know that there's a 36 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 6: long road ahead, and he and I've had a lot 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 6: of very i think honest conversations over the years, and 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 6: you know, I think he if he's successful in winning 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 6: that race, he'll be a great governor. But I've also 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 6: served with a lot of the people that are running, 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 6: and so he and I he understands. But we've been 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 6: we've been close, and I'll continue to I think be 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 6: a good partner to him too. 44 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: I just want to ask the sorry and a quick 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: follow up, So are you concerned or how concerned are 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: you that by not endorsing your running mate and Lieutenant 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Governor Garland Gilchris, a black man in Michigan, How concerned 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: are you that the Republican Party might try to use 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: John James, who is a black man running and he 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: could potentially be the only black person on the ticket 51 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: given the sizeable population of residents who are black in 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: your state. 53 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 6: Well, the end of the day, to be successful run 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 6: for governor, you know, you've got to be connected to 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 6: the people. You've got to be everywhere in Michigan. You've 56 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 6: got to have a vision that creates opportunity for everyone 57 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 6: who calls this great stay at home. And you know, 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 6: I think that the leugenant governor's resume is going to 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 6: be a powerful, powerful thing for him to run on. 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 6: But you know, I also know sitting governors, lieutenant governors, 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 6: if you look historically, it's it's not always been an 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 6: asset to have the governor have your you know, get 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 6: their endorsement. You got to stand on your own two legs. 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 6: And I think that's something that Garland's gonna gonna earn, 65 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 6: and he's going to do it on his own terms. 66 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 6: And it can't always be I think an extension of 67 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 6: my administration, and so I think he's after asking for 68 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 6: council and we've been great friends and we're on this, 69 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 6: you know, we we have an understanding here. 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: I am. 71 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by this too, Governor, because our good friend 72 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: and brother sitting right here, Andrew Gillum ran for governor 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: of Florida. And I remember we've known each other a 74 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: long time, called each other's sibling a long time. But 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: I remember when he was running, he was the he 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: was not the Institution's candidate. And I'm really fascinated by 77 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: this parallel of what the party does sometimes in states 78 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: and how the party overall and what it does with 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: candidates and how it treats black people. You're seeing a 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: lot of this happening all over the country where people 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: are like, I'm kind of off the party. 82 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 4: There's a rest thing happening. 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: But also it's like we're going to organize, but now 84 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: we're not organizing with y'all. Like all of that is 85 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: kind of happening. And I'll tell you there was this 86 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: tipping point for Andrew. And Andrew, I want you to 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: tell your own story, but there's this tipping point for 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: Andrew and the race where Andrew went to sit in 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: as he did when he was the Florida A and 90 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: M SGA president, and people were reminded by the fact 91 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: that he's. 92 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: One of us, you know. 93 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: And so my point in raising any of that is 94 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: when you have someone that's given their life to politics, 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: it was a student government body president, like all of 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: these things, going up to a gubernatorial race, and then 97 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: that same party jump ship, whether it's in the form 98 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: of its biggest influence, there's biggest leaders for God, say, 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: you're on the list for you know who should run 100 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight, right, So we I'm struggling with this, 101 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: and Andrew. I'm actually instead of asking a question, I 102 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: want to punt to you to ask like, how does 103 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: it build and not be supported by the institution And 104 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: what should a black candidate's expectations be from an institution 105 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: that they've given so much to To Tip's point earlier. 106 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I the governor knows this from 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 5: living experience right now, in this very moment. 108 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: I know it. 109 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: Obviously having been a candidate, been loyal to the Democratic Party, 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 5: but political positions are a little different than just loyalty 111 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 5: to the party. There is an important set of decision 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 5: making that goes into the governor's decision to pursue governorship reelection, 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 5: especially in the wake of the kind of attacks that 114 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: met you there. But you also did something else that 115 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 5: I think it's important to distinguish between what the Democratic 116 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: Party does to a person and what happens in the 117 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 5: process of governing, and that is you making the disc 118 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 5: decision that of all the people in your state, of 119 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 5: all the electors that you've worked with over your tenured 120 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: and storied experience, Garland was the right person for you 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 5: in the instance that you would be incapacitated or in 122 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 5: some way unable to fulfill your responsibilities, that this was 123 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: your individual and most perfect decision to say, this is 124 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 5: going to be the guy who I turned to and 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 5: who this state turns to in that event. And so, Governor, 126 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 5: I'd actually love't I didn't anticipate we start with the 127 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 5: politics of your home state, but appropriate given that we've 128 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: got so many michigan and listeners. But I'd love to 129 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 5: hear from you what made you choose Garland and what 130 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 5: would you say best recommends him for the position. And 131 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 5: I would argue that if any other candidate asked you, 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 5: you know, for a similar answer that you could offer such. 133 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 5: But in this instance you made the important choice of 134 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: saying this is the guy if not me. 135 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know so first, so say, let's not give 136 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 6: the Democratic Party too much credit here, right, I mean, 137 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 6: let's not assume that a party actually annoyings anyone with 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 6: any great success, especially when there's a field. Lord knows. 139 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 6: I served in the legislature for fourteen years as the 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 6: minority leader. I ran for governor. There were two people 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 6: who never ran for anything before. Democratic Party didn't support me. 142 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 6: I had to go out and earn it. And I 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 6: think that that's as sometimes it doesn't feel real good, 144 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 6: to be honest, it probably made me a better candidate 145 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 6: going into the general election because I had to take 146 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 6: it seriously. I had to fight for every vote. I 147 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: had to show up in every community. I had to 148 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 6: make sure that, you know, I didn't take anyone or 149 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 6: any community for granted. And I think that's really important 150 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 6: if you're going to be successful, especially in a state 151 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 6: like Michigan. It's ten million people. You know, it's a 152 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 6: diverse state. It's the most diverse swing state in the country. 153 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 6: We have a tendency to go back and forth. Eight 154 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 6: years of a Democratic governor, eight years of a Republican governor. 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 6: You know, I mean, you can't make any assumptions. 156 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: You know. 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 6: When I went through the process and I won that primary, 158 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 6: and it was hard, and we had a lot of 159 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 6: establishment people and institution who were not supporting me, I 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 6: turned it on its head and I won. And then 161 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 6: I went to go pick my lieutenant governor, and everyone 162 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 6: wanted to tell me who they thought that person should be. 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 6: Should be this person, it should be from this side 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 6: of Detroit, it should be you know, like everyone had opinions, 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: and yet I had to find the person that was 166 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 6: going to be a good partner who could step in 167 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 6: if God forbid, they needed to, who I think had 168 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 6: the same shared set of values. And you know, going 169 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 6: through that process, I had a lot of great people 170 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 6: from whom to choose, but Garland rose to the top 171 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 6: because he was talented, he's young, he's got energy, He 172 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 6: was a great counterpoint. Has a very different lived experience 173 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 6: than I do, which makes sure that it'll help inform 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 6: better decisions. 175 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 2: You know. 176 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 6: It is part of why I appointed the most diverse 177 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 6: cabinet in Michigan's history, part of why. You know, you 178 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 6: look to my appointees from the bench. You know, Kira 179 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 6: Harris Bolden, the first black woman on Michigan Supreme Court. 180 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 6: I got to put her on the Supreme Court because 181 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 6: we had a vacancy that was unexpected. So, you know, 182 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 6: I take that very seriously. I think that that is 183 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 6: really important and really healthy. As we went through COVID, 184 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 6: you know, I just always remind people it was because 185 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 6: I had Garland, but also jon A. Caldoon, who was 186 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 6: our chief medical executive, a black woman who was an 187 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 6: er doc in the city of Detroit practicing during the pandemic, 188 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 6: who said, when forty percent of our deaths are black 189 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 6: Michiganders and fourteen percent of our populations, we got to intervene. 190 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 6: We've got work to do. And but for her leadership, 191 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 6: others wanted to wait for studies and data which wasn't 192 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 6: even being collected. We'd lost a whole lot more people. 193 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 6: But because of that, we did a lot of great work. 194 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 6: We created the Racial Sparity's Task Force, and other states 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 6: emulated that. The Biden administration emulated that because it made 196 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 6: a difference. And but for jon Ay Kaldoon having an 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 6: empowered seye at the table and Garland Gilcrest, who was 198 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 6: the co chair of our Black Leadership Advisory Council. Black 199 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 6: for sure, we would not have been in a position 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 6: to make those important decisions that literally saved people's life. 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 5: I appreciate that, Governor, and you actually get to I 202 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 5: think one of the underlying questions that bothered the heck 203 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: out of me these days, and that's this idea that 204 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 5: any position that you find a black person is one 205 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: that had to be compromised, greased up, and pushed through, 206 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: you know, around peg as a square hole. And just 207 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 5: in the examples that you gave your individual and personal 208 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: decision to choose your replacement, and your decision and the 209 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: nations and the world's moments of greatest crises to find 210 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 5: the resolve, the skill set and the talent you needed 211 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 5: in uh uh qualified individuals who provided that to you. 212 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 5: And Governor, in light of all of the attacks that 213 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 5: we see coming legal, philosophical, but frankly spiritually, folks who 214 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: had given so much sacrifice, so much finding themselves yet 215 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 5: once again put to the back of the line weight. Wait, wait, 216 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 5: the change is coming. I wonder how do you balance 217 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: your position on and your well born experience of diversity 218 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 5: being a great strength of where you are and in 219 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 5: serving the people of your state. How do you do 220 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: how do you front that with this current administration in 221 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 5: its unparalleled attacks at the institutions of the country, very 222 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: specifically our universities and our governmental institutions that form the 223 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: foundations of this democracy, a collection of states. And you 224 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 5: have power to push back. 225 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 6: Well, one of the things you know that we did 226 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 6: in the two years before this last election, right when 227 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 6: I had a Democratic controlled House and Senate, the people 228 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: gave us this power. We got a one seat majority 229 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 6: in each of these chambers. But by God, we're going 230 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 6: to use it to make sure that we're making some 231 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: changes that will last a lot longer than one gubernatorial 232 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 6: administration and will survive one presidential administration. And you know, 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 6: as I think about our codification of reproductive rights, we 234 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 6: did that as a state, amending our constitution, but as governor, 235 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 6: with our legislature, we got rid of all the trap 236 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 6: laws making it harder for women to exercise their rights. 237 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 6: We passed Pride. You know, we full of civil rights 238 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: protections for the LGBTQ plus community. We passed the Crown Act. 239 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 6: We're feeding one point four million Michigan kids breakfast and 240 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 6: lunch every single day in our schools. We made community 241 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 6: college free for every high school graduate. You know, we've 242 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: been living our values and codifying things because we knew 243 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 6: there's a possibility of an upcoming election that might want 244 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 6: to try to roll a lot of these protections back. 245 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 6: We will continue to live our values no matter who's 246 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 6: in the White House, but especially right now, I think 247 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 6: it's important for people to see, like, this is why 248 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 6: we did this work in those two years. This is 249 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 6: what we are going to lean on to make sure 250 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 6: that Michigan continues to move forward instead of rolled back. 251 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 6: And I'm fortunate I got a great Attorney General and 252 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 6: Secretary of State who are continuing to do their job 253 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 6: in the wake of a lot of the chaos that 254 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 6: we're seeing coming out of Washington, d C. But make 255 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 6: no mistake, this is a serious, scary time for a 256 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 6: lot of folks. And when I go to Washington, d C, 257 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 6: you know, it's a recognition that, yeah, I got this administration, 258 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 6: but I got people who need help in Michigan, and 259 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 6: no matter who's there, I got a duty to try 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 6: to get that help. 261 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: So I'm at Governor you know you we're just in DC, 262 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: and of course there's this viral moment here. Let me 263 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: just reenact, right, and so so my my question for 264 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: you is why, right, like, we spent a hey dog, 265 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: tiff is happy, look at. 266 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 5: Him, lucky physical dog, make a. 267 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: Cameo before the interviews over. 268 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: But I want, okay, like the dog is gonna be special. 269 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 6: Kevin and Doug they're going outside anyway, Sorry, go ahead, but. 270 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: On this you know you you went to go pet 271 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: that dog in DC, and so. 272 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: I just want to know why, Governor Whitmer. 273 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: We spent all election cycle telling people that this was 274 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: a fascist coming into the White House. We have documented 275 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: reasons for We're in the middle of a constitutional crisis. 276 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: They don't want to return kilmar Abrego Garcia And you're 277 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: talking about having to do the business of the people. 278 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: But how are we even going to get things done 279 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: for the people with the people in power that we 280 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: have at the you know, at the at the federal levels. 281 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: How are you justifying this visit and what are you 282 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: saying to people besides I'm here on business and you 283 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: don't need to see me do that, Like, what is 284 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: the reason? Tell me why you would go and how 285 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: that squares with the narrative. And I believe the truth 286 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: of what we said leading up to November. 287 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 6: Sure, you know, I worked hard to like Camell Harris right, 288 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 6: like I worked my tail off. I did it, not 289 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 6: just in the state of Michigan. I went everywhere and 290 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 6: anywhere they asked me to go because I knew how 291 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: hi the six where. I also knew it was going 292 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 6: to be a really close election. I was worried about it. 293 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 6: And you know, when when the dust settled, we ended 294 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 6: up having you know, two weeks ago had a terrible 295 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 6: ice storm here in Michigan. I mean an ice storm 296 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 6: where we had an inch and a half of ice 297 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 6: on trees. It snapped them in half. I still were 298 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 6: sixteen days out, got fifty five hundred people that don't 299 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 6: have power have I had power for sixteen days in 300 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: rural parts of Michigan, people that don't have a whole 301 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 6: lot to begin with, who are struggling to get by 302 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 6: or living on floors in churches because they need power. 303 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 6: And so this historic storm meant we're going to need help. 304 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: And I don't know what they've done with FEMA, and 305 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 6: I don't know what they're planning to do, but I 306 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 6: had to go and ask for that help. While I 307 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 6: was there, I was lobbying for Selfridge Air National Guard Base, 308 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 6: which is in Macomb County, Michigan. You know, every four 309 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 6: years everyone says, what's going on in Michigan. How do 310 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 6: you win to state like Michigan. You want to say 311 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 6: like Michigan because you show up and you fight for people. 312 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: This air base that we are focused on is good 313 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 6: paying jobs in southeast Michigan, which you're familiar enough with 314 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 6: my state to know. You know, the population in Southeast Michigan. 315 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 6: This is good paying jobs. It's so important for economy. 316 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: You know. 317 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 6: I have a duty to try. Maybe I'm not going 318 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 6: to be successful. Maybe I will get roasted on social media, 319 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 6: maybe my own kids will be roasting me, right, And 320 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 6: it is easy. Yeah, of course it is, you know, 321 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 6: and and it's so I'll be honest with you. I 322 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 6: hate that. But I have a duty to try. And 323 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 6: if I fail, fine, But if I don't even try 324 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 6: and people are suffering in Michigan, well then I shouldn't 325 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 6: be in this job in the first place. 326 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: I gotta know what the keys are saying. Hold on, Deandrew, 327 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: I got to what did they say? 328 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 6: There are some of the same question why he's probably 329 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 6: not going to help you. He might not, but I 330 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 6: gotta try. He said some of the things that I 331 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 6: was hoping to hear, and maybe that yields something good 332 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 6: for Michigan. But when the Missig people in Michigan are hurting, 333 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 6: my job is to try to do everything I can 334 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 6: to help. 335 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: Why personally, you appreciate that the folder the folder covering. 336 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 6: I wish I hadn't done that. You know, The point 337 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 6: is I didn't sign up for that press conference. I 338 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 6: could tell him exactly and all the deals that were signed. 339 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 6: I was beside myself and the rhetoric on top of it. 340 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 6: And there's a picture of me in the paper too, 341 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 6: where I'm writing something down. I'm writing the press release 342 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 6: that I know I got to put out as soon 343 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 6: as I walk out of that room, saying I didn't 344 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 6: have expective any part of that. But yeah, I mean, 345 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 6: I wish, I wish I could go back in time, 346 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 6: but I can't. So I'm going to say, well, if. 347 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 5: You did go back in time, because I think Tiff 348 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 5: was probably going to take you here, which was what 349 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 5: is the story. It seems you went, and I've got 350 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 5: to say I don't take exception. I know what it 351 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 5: means to be a leader of a party. I know 352 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 5: what it means to be a candidate for office, and 353 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 5: as a mayor. I know what it means to govern. 354 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: And when you're governing and your citizens are sending their 355 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 5: hard earned tax dollars to Washington, d C. With the 356 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 5: hope of it coming back and being of service to them, 357 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 5: you got to do what is required. And I think 358 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: one of the things that we also need to see 359 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 5: simultaneously is that your values stay a front and center 360 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 5: and that you don't come out singing an awful tune 361 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 5: because the dance, you know, master decided that that's what 362 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 5: you got a dance to. Tiffany, I'm sorry. 363 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make the point that I mean, 364 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: it was highly covered that you were not there to 365 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: participate in that you were, you know, against your will, 366 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: almost ushered into the Oval Office press conference and you 367 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: didn't know you were here. You told the Economic Club 368 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: in DC this week. I didn't want my picture take 369 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: and that was all I kind of wished. I hadn't 370 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: put my folder in front of my face, But whatever, 371 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was there I just wrote a book 372 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: about learning to laugh at yourself, so I'm pretty good 373 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: at We all have our. 374 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: Moments that first. 375 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: But you also penned a letter to Donald Trump saying 376 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: that you look forward to working together, and you praise 377 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: the support for the auto industry, which this week the 378 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: UAW writ in your state also echoed those sentiments while 379 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: also being critical of him. And I just want you 380 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: to know I do appreciate the complex situation because at 381 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: a time when there were adults in the GOP party, 382 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: that was a sense of normalcy. In these times, there 383 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: is no GOP. I think we have to acknowledge that 384 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: there are right wing extremists who are members of a 385 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: Maga cult running this party. I'm curious how you stripe 386 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: the balance of fighting for the people of Michigan but 387 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: also not allowing yourself to be you used for a 388 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: nefarious photo with someone who's quite frankly unhinged and politically 389 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: in its. 390 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 6: So I guess I would say this. You know, during COVID, 391 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 6: I fought the Trump administration because michiganers were dying and 392 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 6: they weren't doing what I think needed to be done, 393 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 6: just to keep people safe and protect people and give 394 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 6: them good information, get the masks and gloves that we needed. 395 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 6: You know, nothing's changed. But you know, my job is 396 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 6: to fight for the people in Michigan, and I'm going 397 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 6: to do that no matter who is in the White House. 398 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 6: I'm there fighting for funds to help people who are 399 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 6: suffering in northern Michigan because of this ice storm. I'm 400 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 6: fighting there. I'm there to fight for jobs for Selfridge. 401 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 6: Nothing's changed in terms of my values. Nothing's changed in 402 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 6: terms of the things that I care about and the 403 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 6: people that I fight for. And yeah, you know I 404 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 6: got people threatening to kill me during COVID, Yes, and 405 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 6: now I got people mocking me or roasting hands on 406 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 6: social media. Fine, take all the shots you want at me, 407 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 6: but I am going to show up for Michigan. And 408 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 6: I'm never going to apologize for showing up for Michigan. 409 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 6: But it does not mean that I subscribe to any 410 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 6: of the other stuff that was coming out of that 411 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 6: room that day. And I hope to make that clear. 412 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 6: I hope I've made that clear. I'll probably have to 413 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 6: continue to try to make that clear. But nothing's changed. 414 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: You know, my job is to show up for Michigan. 415 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 6: And when people are hurting. I got to do everything 416 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 6: I can to help Angela. 417 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: And you're saying nothing's changed, but you know, I feel 418 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: like every but yet everything has. We're asking people to 419 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: show up abnormally and abnormal times. You experienced abnormal long 420 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: before twenty twenty five, with you know, the threat you're 421 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: talking about, people threatening to kill you, people. 422 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: Trying to have an entire kidnapping plot. 423 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: Now the kidnappers, the election deniers, the federal program slashers, 424 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: they are now running the administration. 425 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 4: So even in your. 426 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: Advocacy of Michigan, right, what does your different you're abnormal? 427 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: You're meeting them all look like, well. 428 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 6: I first I'll say this, you know, fool me once, 429 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 6: shame on you, But that's not going to happen again. 430 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 6: I can tell you that much. You know, as I 431 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 6: as I look at the work that we have to 432 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 6: do here in Michigan, you know that's why I talked 433 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 6: a little bit about those two years, these last two 434 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 6: years leading up to this moment, all the work that 435 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 6: we did to protect people, to build in those structures. 436 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 6: I'm really worried about what cost cuts to medicate are 437 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 6: going to mean. I'm really worried about you know, our 438 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 6: ability to help people who are who are struggling to 439 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 6: level the playing field. You know, we've got to build 440 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 6: housing all across this country. We know that affordable housing 441 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 6: is there's a dearth of it, and yet all of 442 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 6: the potential things coming out of out of the Washington 443 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 6: d C could undermine that. And so we're trying to 444 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 6: work creatively how can we address this if this happens 445 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 6: at the federal level. But it's exhausting because you can't 446 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 6: predict what the next thing coming out of Washington is 447 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 6: going to be. I'm really hoped that at some point 448 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 6: we see some courage out of the GOP members in 449 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 6: Congress to say, Okay, guess what next year's coming up? Fast? 450 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 6: And if they continue to impose tariffs that run people 451 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 6: out of work or run up our grocery bills, if 452 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 6: they continue to strip healthcare away from a million people 453 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 6: who are on it because of Medicaid expansion in Michigan, 454 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 6: that's going to have real impacts. But the things that 455 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 6: we've done to help people keep money in their pockets, 456 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 6: the Working Family's Tax Credit, we quintupled the e C 457 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 6: so that people were working but couldn't make ends meet, 458 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 6: have got more support. We got rid of the retirement tax, 459 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 6: so that retired Michiganers who didn't pay tax until about 460 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 6: ten years ago and had their rules changed on them 461 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 6: now get to keep those dollars. We got the first 462 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: auto plant in Detroit in thirty years done. That's thirty 463 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 6: six thousand good pan auto jobs. 464 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 5: And governor all those jobs, those auto because we all 465 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 5: know how significant the building of those cars in this 466 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 5: country are. Some of us probably underestimated what the component 467 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 5: parts are that are required for that assemblage and the 468 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 5: fact that those component pieces come from all over the globe. 469 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 5: You were in a very unique position given you are 470 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: geographic proximity to Canada, the President refers to as the 471 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 5: fifty first state. But as a sovereign nation, independent nation, 472 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: you have to have a spiritual character. I have to 473 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 5: imagine as the governor of Michigan with officials across Canada's 474 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 5: the Canadian government for the sustainability of the relationship that 475 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 5: you get. That's so important. I have to imagine if 476 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 5: you've seen Trump once or twice since he's been in 477 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: the Oval office, that Trump's that Trump's self imposed, self 478 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 5: inflicted or using taxation and trade policy is going to 479 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: have some pretty devastating effects for the for where you live. 480 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 5: What was that conversation with the president? Like, what are 481 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 5: you demanding of them? In what ways are you prepared 482 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 5: to act with the fullness that comes with the true 483 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 5: Michigander and demanding that this president come to heal on 484 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 5: the devastating impacts to your state. 485 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 6: Well, listen, I've been talking to the autos, I've been 486 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 6: talking to labor, I've been talking to all the Tier 487 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 6: two brief suppliers. There are so many small businesses that, 488 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 6: you know, are our the biggest employer in like a 489 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 6: little community that are on the bubble. We know that 490 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 6: the big three already have got a lot of decks 491 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 6: stacked against them right when it comes to you know, 492 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 6: China undermining our auto markets, when it comes to you know, 493 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 6: I think counterfeit parts that are coming in. We know 494 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 6: how hard this this moment is, and yet what's happening 495 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 6: in d C with these tariffs are making it even 496 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 6: more difficult. I'm very worried about it. Michigan's economy absolutely 497 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 6: counts on that free trade with that you know that 498 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 6: with Canada and Mexico, so many of these car parts 499 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 6: go back and forth multiple times, and with these indiscriminate, 500 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 6: you know, terrify ideas. These taxes, the Trump taxes that 501 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 6: are threatened on all these going to put people out 502 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 6: of work, and it's going to drive up the costs 503 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 6: of an automobile as well as blueberries from Mexico, et cetera. 504 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 6: And the interesting thing is, you know, as I talk 505 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 6: to Canadian leaders, you know, there's a real sense of 506 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 6: hurt on top of anger, and they've really unified against America, 507 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 6: which it just is mind boggling to even think that 508 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 6: Canadians sent firefighters to California when La was on fire. 509 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 6: You know, these are our neighbors and our friends, but 510 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 6: they feel hurt by this. They're like, why, all of 511 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 6: a sudden are we considered adversaries when we've been like 512 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 6: second cousins, you know. And so I do think that 513 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 6: it's a really dangerous moment with these capricious tariffs. All 514 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 6: it will do is paralyze business, which means layoffs, which 515 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 6: means increased cost on Americans. And that's that's what I've 516 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: been trying to convey. I obviously haven't been able to 517 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 6: convince them, but there's a lot of folks in their 518 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 6: ears from Wall Street to downtown Detroit, saying this is 519 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 6: bad policy for American manufacturing, for American jobs, and American. 520 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 5: Consumers miss this special moment. 521 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: It's not me, the dog clearly has something to say, 522 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: and I just don't want to silence anybody. But anyway, 523 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: but their answer on terrace is a bit interesting, Governor, 524 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: because a little bit of daylight between you and the 525 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: head of UAW on that that I think we'll see 526 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: to continue to play out. As you know, we all 527 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: have grave concerns about free and fair elections. We can 528 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: argue that there's never really been free in fair elections, 529 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: but increasingly it will be more challenging as we look ahead. 530 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm one who's not holding my breain for midterms. You reference, 531 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: you know that the GOP members, the members of the 532 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: mega cult in Congress might somehow get some courage. 533 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breast for that. 534 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: But for the people who are looking forward to twenty 535 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight, I'm curious what kind of things are you considering, 536 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: What are you factoring and to your decision making as 537 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: you ponder a twenty twenty eight run. Your name has 538 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: obviously come up the past election cycle, and as people 539 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: look forward to this election cycle. 540 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: What do you considering if you make that decision. 541 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm not spending any time pondering a 542 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 6: run for twenty twenty eight. I'll just be honest with you. 543 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 6: I got my hands full in this job. I am 544 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 6: governor for the next year and eight months, and then 545 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: I'm going to go walk the earth for a little 546 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 6: while with my husband and dogs and reconnect and figure 547 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 6: out what i want to do next. But you know, 548 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 6: we need a great, strong candidate for twenty twenty eight. 549 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: And it doesn't have to be me. It could be. 550 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 6: There's a lot of wonderfully talented people out there. I 551 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 6: want to be a part of helping whomever that person is. 552 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 6: But I think when my term comes to a close, 553 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna take a little break. 554 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of breaks, I know we're running up on time. 555 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 4: But she wants to dog the dog come here, Keaven, Heaven, 556 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 4: come here. 557 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 6: I got Heaven and Kevin gon o maiden names. 558 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 4: Okay, ken. 559 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 6: Is he a he's a dode all So we got 560 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 6: r you have big old. 561 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: Dog has something to say about her? 562 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Wait wait, big wretch got a big dog. 563 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 6: This is Dougie dog. 564 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 4: The name of this episode is Big Wretch with the 565 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: big dogs. 566 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 5: But you gotta make a gotta make a special dog. 567 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 6: He's given. 568 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: Lord, not in the mouth, don't do it. Okay, Well, 569 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: well big Wretch got big appointments from. 570 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 5: Here, yes, Governor, before you, before you go. And I 571 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: have not been admonished to do this by your lieutenant Governor. 572 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 5: But I remember when I was running in my primary, 573 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 5: I would have to come upon places where I would 574 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 5: have to understand the political calculus that's being made. And 575 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: I would often tell those people, or asked rather of 576 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 5: those people, if you can't help me, and in this situation, 577 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 5: I hear you, then just don't hurt me. And that 578 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 5: was a way of finding I think, partnership where I 579 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 5: could and places where I was going to be running 580 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: the toughest race that I had ever faced, and of 581 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: all the headwinds coming at me, I didn't need my 582 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: closest to be one of them. And so that's my 583 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 5: brotherly requests on his behald, thank you for for taking 584 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 5: time of being with us too. 585 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 6: I hear you know what. We won Michigan twice, by 586 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 6: almost double digits the first time and over double digits 587 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 6: a second time, so that's a good place to run 588 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 6: for well. 589 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: Tell Kevin and Doug Tiffany said by and we appreciate you, Governor, 590 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: thank you for the time. 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